MILGRAM / Shidou - Throw Down [The First Trial Music Video]
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- "Please don’t forgive me."
Vocal: Shidou (CV: Shugo Nakamura)
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Lyrics: DECO*27
Music: Rockwell
Arrangement: Rockwell
Movie by OTOIRO
Director: Yuma Saito
Character Designer: akka
Key Animator: akka, roduki
Background Layout: Daria Gotou
Animator / Finishing: staron
Color Designer: akka,peatmos
Flower Illustrator: minatsu(MAKARIA)
Background Artist:MAKARIA,Atsushi Satomi,atelier Daimon
Prop Designer: Yuka Fujii
Composite / CG: Yuma Saito
Project Manager: Iori Majima
Art Director: DMYM
Original Character Designer: akka
Story / Author: Takuya Yamanaka
"Throw Down" Instrumental
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Lyrics:
“NO” in my dream
I am making you cry again, I am being blamed
“NO” the hesitation I killed
Is holding its breath and sniffing out lies
Tock-tock… tells me, the reason it’s ok to be here
Won’t disappear even if I stop
After you cry a lot, of course it will end up that way
Choose, how to live your life, we only live once
“Throw down” connecting you with me,
To keep you alive, you are still living
“Throw down” the invitation that I can’t take back,
Lying, replacing with hope
“Throw down” it’s ok, that’s enough
Can’t stay away
Please don’t forgive me
That’s why I want this to end
“Throw down”
After stabbing you with my words, the blood started to flow
And slowly stained my white
Hey, you remember what it feels like?
The feeling to take away in order to give
It becomes more and more diluted, it doesn’t have any flavor even if it’s chewed
If it’s not needed, I’m not interested
Here and there is such a waste
There’s no meaning in it, yes and no, it doesn't matter. It’s all how you say it
“Throw down”, someone’s value
Cannot be the same as another
“Throw down” should choose between superiority or inferiority
Has come true, stabbing the despair to death
There are so many truths, as there are so many lives
The end that has already begun, I will finally be saved once it comes true
Now slowly close your eye, put your regret on display
Wish for being there for someone
With the same expression no matter who comes
I don’t feel scared because I don’t know
“Throw down” ethics is a delusion
I’m still guilty even if the morning comes
“Throw down” emotions with no color
I wonder if I can die with it still left
“Throw down” connecting you with me,
To keep you alive, you are still living
“Throw down” the invitation that I can’t take back,
Lying, replacing with hope
“Throw down” it’s ok, that’s enough
Can’t stay away
Please don’t forgive me
That’s why I want this to end
“Throw down”
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Shidou: Please don't forgive me.
Voters: Ok we forgive you.
he is innocent in my opinion bc he tries to save them
@@emmaweichsel7847
if I were to compare between him and amane, i think amane would have more possiblity to be forgiven but apparently the voting prove me wrong. but then again, if we were to vote her innocent we might make amane thinks that what her "cult" are doing is the right thing.
Haha, literally, that's what I thought, that's a worse punishment than forgive him
@@lesliejim7022 but we should forgive him and after that send him to therapy
I don't think he should be forgiven. He killed idk how many people for someone who still ended up dying in the end. He did that knowing what he was doing was beyond wrong and he lied to the paitents families without hesitation.
i like how half of the chat was theorising and the other half was simping
Lmao tru
i was trying to go humina humina humina e poggers but youtube put me on cooldown
I'm the other half
@@GE-0530RN The DSMP fan in you is painfully obvious
@@jispades9793 what do you mean lmfao my friends were spamming that in the groupchat before our exam
I can totally get where people are getting the entire “harvesting organs” theory from, but my only question is, quite simply, “How?” How would that work? Shidou is a medical professional, and he clearly hasn’t lost his mind or anything. The idea of replacing organs simply doesn’t work in my opinion. Also, even if he is there is no way he is smuggling that stuff out of the hospital. My own father is a surgeon, and there is *always* at least one other person in the room at all times during an operation, usually more. My theory is that rather than harvesting organs, Shidou is simply in charge of terminally ill patients, and each time he experiments with different ways to save them, although he eventually has to pull them off of life support, seen in him removing flower heads. The assembling of all the flowers into a human at the end symbolizes him trying to use all of his research to save his wife, and her falling apart shows how despite all of the patients he has had to euthanize, he still hasn’t found a way to cure death.
TL;DR Shidou isn’t intentionally killing patients to take organs, he is simply the one who takes care of terminally ill patients and is tasked with taking them off of life support when the time comes. He tries to use his experiences with hundreds of patients to try to save his wife, but is unsuccessful in his efforts to cure Death. After experiencing what it was like to receive the news that he himself often gave, that his loved one wasn’t going to make it, he had an epiphany about how much pain he had caused people, even though that pain wasn’t his fault. He held himself personally accountable for failing to cure Death, and feels immense guilt as a result.
If you don’t want to read at all: Shidou isn’t harvesting organs, he just feels guilty for failing to actually save his patients over the years, and the death of his wife pushed him over the edge in terms of guilt.
nice theory
oh, the experiment theory is very interesting! i've always sided more with the theory that he just couldn't save the patients normally, but the idea of him instead trying several experiments adds a nice layer 👀
I like this theory a lot
i really like this interpretation!! it’s really weird seeing the “sick/dying lover” theory because like, how many organs does his lover need?? there’s like 50+ organ tags in the mv
I agree with this theory, the guilt that comes with not being able to save someone must be insane. Questioning the value of human life, ethics, and what being a doctor truly means when you have others lives in your hands. Even the oath you have to swear on practicing medicine, to never intentionally take the life or harm your patients. Comparing people to flowers (like a reassurance that all life eventually ends, it’s inevitable). I doubt he’s harvesting organs, that’s incredibly difficult and makes no sense. His guilt is eating him alive.
2:52 ダブルベッドで枕も2つあるってことは、やっぱり恋人か奥さんが植物状態になっちゃって、その人を助けるために本当なら助かるはずだった患者たちも脳死判定してそこからその人に臓器移植をしていたんだけど結局それも失敗して、結果的に全てが無駄死にになったからその贖罪のためにも許さないでほしい、みたいな感じなのかな
「死刑を希望しています」って言ってるけど、もしかしてこれ反省してる訳じゃなくて、死ねば会いたい人に会えるからってこと……？？
うっっっっっわもうやだ天才
それ思った
なにそれエモい
うおおおおぉ
あるな
このコメ伸びろ
シドウさん,しれっと「選ぶべき優劣」「倫理など妄想」だなんてとんでもないこと言うてない..?
前回のムウちゃんのMVは、ムウちゃんが「自分は許されるべき」と思っていたから、かなりムウちゃんが同情されやすい内容になっていた。
だとしたら、今回のシドウさんは「赦さないでくれ」と思ってるから、同情のしようがなさそうなMVになるのかな・・・
移植で人を助ける割に、使う花の種類があまりにも多すぎる気がするから、自分が愛する人を作るために人間を0から作ったけどうまく行かなかった系のマッドサイエンティストな気もしてきた。。
大切な人が植物状態になってしまったから、自分の患者さんを殺めて、その臓器(花)をその大切な人に移植していったけど、結局は亡くなってしまった。みたいな感じかな？
あああ！植物状態…！なるほどすごくしっくりきました…
これは天才
天才かよ…🍣
👰♀️🤵💒💍
最後の方意識は取り戻したけどまた亡くなっちゃった感じかな、(？)
シドウがやっていたことが臓器移植的な事だと仮定したら
それを花で表しているのがすごく…良くない？(語彙力)
もう何もかも美しい
すごくいいです！
シドウさんの赦さないではたくさんの人を犠牲にしたことへの罪悪感なのか大切な人に救えなくてごめん、許さないでって意味なのかで大分印象変わるなぁ…
公開前は前者だと思ってたけど、最後まで見たら後者に感じた。あれ？これ我々に言ってる感じしないなって
@@stultusvanitas4562
ですよね…MVでも無表情になることは度々あっても辛そうな顔をしたのはラストだけだしたくさんの人を犠牲にしたことについては特に罪悪感とか感じてないのかな…？って気もしてます
死刑にされたら大切な人と会えるから説ない？って思ってる
もうなんでもいいけど好き(?)
犠牲にした人に対して言っているのは多分あると思う
でもやっぱりシドウさんの愛している人に対して言ってる方が一番大きい気がする
こう言う人ほど許して、許されたくないのに許された罪悪感とかに苛まれて欲しい
わかりすぎて草生えない
鬼畜だけど正直めっちゃ分かる()
あえて逆のことをすることで罰になるパターンですね
単に苦しんでるとこを見たいって言う歪んだ性癖みたいなもんだけど違う解釈の人もいるから胸の奥にそっと閉まっておこう
@@user-to1bw3de3k 性癖一致したんだけど取り敢えず籍入れよう
医者してる時のシドウさんはほぼ目が死んでるのに「大切な人」との逢瀬の時は目が生き生きしてるし表情も明るくて本当に同一人物なのか疑うくらい違う。
大切な人を救えなかった今死刑を求刑してるのは罪を感じての求刑じゃないね。皆言ってるけど。
他の患者の臓器移植してまで救いたかった人が居たけど、その人も救えなくて、そのときに自分の過ちに気づいた…とかだったらめっちゃ好き。
それやばい…
幻覚。
@@Sin.2266 かどうかは、この先の未来で分かる。
素晴らしい
2:09
字幕にすると「刺死込んで」ってなるのやば、、字幕まで凝ってる
My father is a pediatric nurse at NIH, specializing in cancer treatment. He has told us how heartbreaking his job is, how his patients are all so young (1-17 years) and many of them don't survive more than a year. This video is so painful, because I realize now just what that daily routine must feel like to him...that even though he's mentioned his work, just how much sadness and regret he must have shielded us from.
I think Shidou is innocent, even if he himself believes he is guilty.
But in the integration he said that he killed a lot of people for a selfish reason. And in MV the flower person who died in front of him is apparently very important to him, if the flowers that he cut out or left to wither are the lives of his other patients, then it is clear that he didn't save them, but sacrificed them for this person. Otherwise he'd not cut them and they wouldn't wilt. Also in the Milgram app, Shidou is answering interrogation questions:
Is there someone you can confide everything to? "Not anymore"
What is allowed to be sacrificed for love? "Everything"
I'm not saying that he actually killed his patients and that he cannot be forgiven, but he's not that innocent after all. it's just a couple of facts that don't really fit with your theory and sorry if I sound strange, I use a translator
@@airisnope4665 we don't exactly know what he did though, he might have been (for instance) keeping them alive despite knowing they were gonna die thus prolonging their suffering cause he didn't want them to die or smth like that
@@zxvx39r8e That wouldn't be murder, he wouldn't be in MILGRAM if he didn't murder anyone
@@crassianleviathan6187 Characters in the Milgram all involved in someone's death but it doesn't have to be a murder. Yuno had an abortion, mahiru's boyfriend and Kazui's partner kill themselves(probably). It's hard to say if Shidou really murdered his patients, we'll need more videos to see his whole story.
Therapist: Flower Guy is not real, it can't hurt you.
Flower Guy:
He gonna chop chop and your heart will stop stop
Lolz his name is Shidou (also yes, he sorta terrifies me-) 😫✋
@@angxlic9846 I thought they’re talking about the creature made of flowers during the last bits
@@poudretteitethearistocrat9516 OH- srry I’m dumb-
「もういいよ、もういいよ」って大切な人が死に際にシドウの行いに気づいて伝えてるんだろうな。いろんな人間を殺めてなお大切な人を救えなかった。だから頭から離れない。ボーカルの歌い方がすごく良くて悲しさが伝わってきます
救いたかった人が救えなかったから罪に気付くのも良いが、救いたかった人が一瞬目を覚ましシドウを拒絶したからこの世界にいる意味がなくなったとかだともっと好き。
スローダウンがslow down（ゆっくりにする）じゃなくてthrow down（投げ捨てる、放棄する、闘いを挑む）だったことにさっき気づいて震えてる。。。
slow down = 延命かなって聴いてたけどthrow downだとすると「だから終わりが欲しいよ スローダウン」が終わりが欲しいから全部捨てたいっていう自暴自棄な歌に聴こえてくるから本当に何回聴いてもミルグラムは飽きない。
wait slow down actually makes a lot more sense, throw down has always seemed weird to me😭
@@liamneu1430 For me at first, I thought it was slow down(as in slowing down the death) based on the Japanese title because it was in katakana, but after I saw that the English title was "Throwdown" I thought maybe it was referring to the fight against the faith of death, so both makes sense to me 😆 It's so cool how we could interpret even just a title in multiple ways🤩🤩🤩
トリアージ聴いたあとだと、延命ぽいですね
@@user-nm6cx7sm3p ですねー！トリアージで解像度上がりましたね😆
まだ歌詞確定じゃないから間違いあるかもしれないけど簡単な考察としては、
MVからしてシドウさんは恐らく外科医で、花は患者の臓器を指してるのかな？つまり、人を○したというのは患者の手術を敢えて失敗していた、そしてその臓器をコレクションしていた(①)
ボイスドラマで悟ったような雰囲気だったのと「誰かは誰かと同じ重さにはなれない」という歌詞からして①は命に優先順位を付けていて、低い患者は失敗し、その臓器は途中の値札が降っている演出が暗喩する存在価値の高い患者(裕福な人など)に販売していたという可能性がまず思い浮かんだんだけど、後半の花で継ぎ接ぎされてできた人の様なものが壊れて絶望したような表情と「繋ぐ」「貴方は生きている」という歌詞からもしかすると恋人(あるいは愛していた人)が亡くなっていて、その事実を受け止めきれず①はその人を生き返らせる(自己満足として)する為にやっていたのかも。
全部ただの妄想だしミスリードにまんまとハマってるかもしれないけど笑
I’ve been told by a teacher of mine that plants can actually scream when we cut them, we just aren’t developed enough to hear it. That fits shidou’s views and the flowers used in the music video, for as in his vision, the brain dead people he took organs from are “silently screaming for him to stop”. Just Something I’d like to point out!
Great thing to know before going to bed
Wdym ‘we aren’t developed enough to hear it’? Is it that we have bad hearing because they’re so quiet? Because their pitch is too high? Because their scream works in a way that the human body isn’t made to understand at all?
@@vibrantebony *Apparently small air bubbles in their circulatory system pop, causing the plant to vibrate and emit a "ultrasonic sound" of which the frequency is too high for humans to hear. So they do "scream", but I do wonder if they can "hear", or if any living being can use that sound for some evolutionary benefit...*
シドウさん今回赦されたら次の歌めちゃくちゃ怖い曲になりそう
赦されたくないから
仲村宗悟さんにこの役を歌わせたところが最高なんだよな
太陽って呼ばれることもある仲村宗悟に闇や深い考察のしがいがある曲歌わせるの最高ですよね わかる
誰か一人の大切な人を助けたいがために沢山の人を犠牲にしたにもかかわらず、その大切な人も助からなかった…とかかなぁ
成程…
手袋をしているのと「俺が奪ったものの数を」っていう発言から、シドウさんは医者だと思っているんだけどどうだろう…？？
花を切ってるシーンは患者の臓器を切って移植してる？？
そして最後の花の人は臓器移植で助けたかった人？
最後、崩れたってことは助からなかったってことかな
倒れたのは、
自分のために（優劣の優の方）誰かの命（劣とされて移植された側）が犠牲になったことを知った患者さんがその罪悪感とか、どうして自分だったのかとか自分自身を責めて壊れてしまった
と言うことかな？とわたしは思いました
成程！！
確かに、助からなかったら花の人にならなかったはずですもんね！！
1度花の人になった=1度は助かった
けど
崩れてしまった=死んでしまった
って解釈がしっくりきますね！
ありがとうございます！！
i know there’s a popular theory about him stealing organs for his lover but like
1. how many organs does his lover need because holy shit that’s a lot of organ tags in the mv
2. he probably would’ve gotten his licence revoked by now if he’s straight up killing that many patients(???)
3. how is he sneaking the organs out??? he kills someone and puts their lung in his lab coat before walking out??
Dying people shortly after accidents, stuff like that. Maybe people that did not agree to organs beong donated.
もっとミルグラムは伸びるべきだと思うんだけどなぁ…
何年後かにはめっちゃ有名になってると予想
こうゆう神コンテンツはもっともっともっともっと伸びるべきだし有名になるべきだよなぁ…テレビとかで取り上げてほしい
今ボカロキテるからニーナさん繋がりでハマってくれないかな、私もミクさんのアンダーカバーから来たからなぁ( ˊ࿁ˋ )
というかそもそもの知名度が低い気がする…もっと有名になれ！！！
見つけるのが遅くなって悲しいよ😢
私も𝙏𝙞𝙠 𝙏𝙤𝙠で知ったから、UA-camの広告で流すとか、ショート動画で切り抜き流すとかすれば流行りそうなのに
MVとかみて考察とかいろいろ考えたいのに、仲村宗悟くんの歌がうますぎてそれどころじゃない
最後の花がたくさんの人型のものって、シドウが「愛している人」で、花人間→植物人間と表現されているのかなぁ‥‥🤔
え、天才ですか？
@@user-zl3fw9rn5d わわっ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)
こんなこめに返信ありがとうございます！！！！
@@user-vv4wm4ci7z いやいや、これは天才だって思いまして…！
天才居た…
The kiss Jess, I have to go back to the work, if you want in other moment we have to talk about our if if if you don't like to talk
シドウさん「カッコいい」っていうより「綺麗」というか「悲しげで美しい」って感じするな…………
(ここから下は聴いた感想)
色々言いたいことはあるけどうまくまとめられないんだけど「どうか赦さないでくれ」ってあるからシドウさんにとっては赦さない事が救いになりそうだなって………
なんか儚さがあるよね
まぁシドウさん自身死刑を希望をしてるとか言ってるし…
推しが死んだら私ショックで死んでしまうよ…
Flowers in 2:44 to 2:45 is a big clue. Those dead flowers are real flowers exist in the real-life, Bird of Paradise flower, king protea, Moth Orchid and one cannot recognise. Those who are blooming are all 'Frankenstein' flower or you may say fake flower, for example, 'Bird of Paradise flower' in the first pic had the wrong arrangement in color and jagged edge on the sepal, that against the natural form. The second blooming flower might be the combination of king protea and thistle.
Those flowers may reveal what Shiduo is doing, putting different organs into different people. Or these pics mean what Shiduo doing eventually are lies since those flowers are fake, imaginary, it is impossible that Shiduo can success.
i feel like the fact that how many different flowers were in the "body", he may have been harvesting multiple organs and doing multiple transplants into the same person to save them, but they died despite how many he sacrificed for this one person...
@@frogiko9638 Maybe the reason he wants the death penalty is because the purpose he felt he had in life (saving that person) is gone now?
Ya need to test Organ Compatibility or else the Body will reject it and treat it like an invasive disease and the immune system will fight against it.
シドウさんって
"綺麗な花"って言うよりは、
"闇を抱えた食虫植物"って感じがする、
わかりすぎて泣けてきた
花言葉が関係あると思い花言葉とそれぞれのシーンから思ったことをまとめておきました
《花が写っているシーン》
Scene with flowers
0:07
0:42〜1:20
1:50〜2:11
2:44
3:04〜3:44
割れたザクロ→崩壊
赤い薔薇→「あなたを愛します」「愛情」「美」「情熱」「恋」「熱烈な恋」
赤黒い薔薇→決して滅びることのない愛、永遠の愛
向日葵→「憧れ」「あなただけを見つめる」。
オレンジ色のガーベラ→「神秘」「冒険心」
赤色のアンスリウム→「熱心」
ストレリチア→「気取った恋」、「恋の伊達者」、「輝かしい未来」、「寛容」
フウリンブッソウゲ→「繊細な美｣「新しい恋」「淑やかな愛」
サボテン→「枯れない愛」
サギソウ→「神秘的な愛」「夢でもあなたを想う」
紫色のカーネーション→「誇り」「気品」
赤いしおれたバラ→｢儚い｣
《MVから》
最後にちぎったタグに書いてある
XX
XY
下のXYが消されていることからシドウの助けたかった人というのは女性の方なのでは？？
《名前から》
シドウ→桐崎獅童(フルネーム)
桐→高尚(知性や品格が高く上品なことである)
花言葉がわからなかったので助かります。ありがとうございます。
花言葉がわからなかったので助かります。ありがとうございます。
花見てなんの花かわからない()すげぇ
シドウさんには愛する人がいて、その人を延命させるために他の患者を手に掛けて、でもその愛する人が死んでしまった後に自分が犯した事の重大さに気づいた…ってことかな
シドウさん自身が赦さないでくれって言うのも納得ですわ…だってこの罪を背負ってこれからも生きていくの辛すぎるもの
*jaw drops to floor, eyes pop out of sockets accompanied by trumpets, heart beats out of chest, awooga awooga sound effect, pulls chain on train whistle that has appeared next to head as steam blows out, slams fists on table, rattling any plates, bowls or silverware, whistles loudly, fireworks shoot from top of head, pants loudly as tongue hangs out of mouth, wipes comically large bead of sweat from forehead, clears throat, straightens tie, combs hair* ahem, you’re very handsome
bro lmao
Awooga
same
Approved
nejsunsudn nice copypasta
FLOWERS [0:00 - 1:30]
[AFTER MV]
Flowers: thank you to Puga and Oto in the MILGRAM Stanclub for identifying these!
Bird of Paradise: Paradise, freedom, joy. It can also symbolise faithfulness in romantic relationships and optimism. Wilted in the MV, which could suggest the absence of freedom, joy, etc, as well as a lack of faithfulness.
Dahlia: Elegance, inner stength, change, creativity, dignity. Alternatively, it can represent betrayal, instability, and dishonesty. It's also notable that in the Victorian era they symbolised a lasting bond/lifelong commitment between two people. Also wilted, which could suggest a lack of inner strength and a failed long-term relationship/committment.
ORCHIDS:
There's a lot of orchids so I'm going to put their general meanings in here.
Orchids are typically used at weddings and funerals and represent love, luxury, beauty and strength, as well as virility in Ancient Greece. They are very much associated with love, and their usage at funerals is often to represent everlasting love for the deceased. They can also be thought to bring good luck and fortune in love.
Elleanthus (orchid): It's sort of a purple/pink so: Pink orchids are the 14th wedding anniversary flower and convey pure affection. Purple orchids symbolise respect, and are generally given as a gift to show affection.
Egret orchid: Typically white, so they would normally symbolise innocence and purity, as well as elegance and reverence. However, the ones in the video are red, and red orchids typically symbolise fire, romance, desire, and passion. They're very rare in the wild, which is notable as in the tradition of gifting exotic flowers to show love and affection, the rarer the flower, the deeper the affection.
Dendrobium: Popular for use in weddings, particularly as corsages or in bridal flower arrangements to show the beauty of the bride.
Butterfly orchid: The most famous orchid species, they symbolise elegance, femininity and unity.
Cymbidium: Commonly known as a boat orchid, it represents morality and virtue, and in Asia it is an honour/gesture of respect and friendship to give a cymbidium. Wilted: could represent a loss of morality/virtue.
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Masterwort: Also known as astrantia. Can be a romantic flower, referred to in old folk tales as stars that have fallen to earth. Symbolic meaning is a strong, brave protector. Wilted, which could suggest that someone (probably Shidou) has failed in their role of protector.
Anthurium + Monstera: Anthurium signifies long lasting love and friendship, and it said to bring luck in your relationship. Known also as a flamingo lily, it's one of the most gifted plants on Valentine's Day due to it's heart shaped leaves and in Ancient Greece the flowers of anthurium were said to be Cupid's arrows. Monstera can represent suffocation, or long life and the honouring of elders.
King Protea: Named after the Greek god Poseidon's son Proteus, who would change his appearance to avoid detection. Generally thought to symbolise diversity, daring, transformation, and courage.
Calla lily: Symbolism varies by flower colour. However, they're generally used for occasions such as weddings and funerals due to their beauty and are also associated with purity, holiness, faithfulness. The 6th wedding anniversary flower. Dark red symbolises passion and intensity. Although calla lilies are not true lilies, lilies can symbolize that the soul of the departed has received restored innocence after death.
Roses: Love, romance, can also be linked to secrecy. Appears on four tarot cards: the fool, the magician, strength, and death. In Greek mythology, roses originated from Adonis.
Note: a lot of them have different features like not being fully bloomed, so keep that in mind. I'll update this later
All of us Omori fans certainly know the meaning of the white egret orchid. "My thoughts will follow you into your dreams."
i was going into the comments looking for the flowers bc i love flower meanings in general and also so important in this video. so tysm for sharing what you got and shoutout to those that helped you!
when the white egret orchid is omori is my thoughts will follow you into your dreams when the when the omori omg
赦す赦さないは別として、この曲と映像めっちゃ好き
成程！
シドウさんの場合、「赦さない」ことが救いになって、「赦す」事が救いにならないのか。
つまりシドウさんに罰を与えたいと思う人は「赦す」に投票するべきって矛盾、ウワ～考えられてる、面白い…！
I feel that this would be a rather straightforward theory per se.
Shidou's quote "Not dead yet... Yeah, she's definitely not dead..." indicates that Shidou has someone whom he wants to save. However, they are in a state of being unsavable. (Through legal means?). But even though she is unsavable, Shidou still tries his best to save this person.
1) During the process of trying to save her, it would seem he would purposely fail his surgeries on people in order to save the person he wants to save most. As the flowers in MV depicted would be the process of the surgeries, how he cuts the stems of the flowers and bring the head, this would show the required piece in order to 'save' her.
2) At 2:33 - 2:34, the MV shows many papers and tags lying around the floor. Thanks to my friend who discussed with me on this aspect. I think it is safe to say that those papers are test results to show whether such organs are compatible with the person whom he is trying to save.
But, I feel that this isn't the only thing that Shidou would look out for. I think that he would also look out for the state of the patients are in before he decides to take up the job of performing the surgery. Those jobs that he took up, however, were surgeries on unsavable people, even if he were to try his best to save them.
While I think is a little far-fetch, it would make sense that at the end of it all, he failed to save the person who he wanted to save. Due to the usage of using organs from the people who are in a state of passing.
It would make sense that it would work out like this since a few hints indicated this.
"To be deceived or be deceived" a verse in Es's song.
This would mean that Shidou has been deceiving the guardians/parents of those who he performed surgery on by giving them false hope that they can be saved. And at the end of it all, led to despair and having the guardians/parents lash out on Shidou.
Why didn't he harvest organs from healthy people instead? I don't think this would be plausible as even a doctor, wouldn't go and kill off them just for the organs. It would cause major suspicion among the staff members and would result in his expulsion/resignment. While failing a single surgery won't lead to this, if he were to this continuously, it would mean expulsion. Thus, I think him performing surgeries on the unsavable is more plausible as you are less likely to be blamed by the hospital. You tried to do it but failed in the end. Who can blame your efforts? Surely, the hospital would know that this person is unsavable.
3) At the end of the song, we see the following lyrics:
"Throw Down" Ethics are a delusion.
I think it means a few things.
i) He had ethics and morality, he didn't want to kill perfectly healthy people. However, I think he was fine with ending the suffering of the unsavable as if they lived anyways, they would only suffer.
ii) But after failing to save his loved one, he must have believed that the organs failed on her. Thus, he could've thought "Maybe if I had taken the organs from the healthy" things would turn out differently.
4) After coming to realize the failures of his efforts, he grew guilty. He killed all those people, and yet, in the end, all sacrifices were in vain. He came to realize this:
"I've finally realized what I have been robbing people of all this time..."
This realization would be that he had robbed the guardians/parents of their loved one through deceit after feeling the same thing they experienced.
Omg Hahahahhaha found you
I think he actually did take healthy patients as another comment pointed out, flowers he cut at the beginning wilted signifying ill patients organs, and later on they didnt which is those who would have survived, and I think the papers are the ones of those he killed instead of tests for compatibility. Additionally I thought ethics are a delusion meant that he no longer cared about what was right or wrong, only about the person.
Thank you
最初は何故？と思っていたけれど、この暖かさと儚さを同時に表現できるのは確かに宗悟さんだ…
「モラルなど妄想だ」という歌詞が印象的
※言葉足らずで長文です
シドウさんが、出てくる親子と夫婦に話しているのは、「患者は助からない/助かる可能性が低いので、臓器移植の事を考えて欲しい」という内容なのではないかなと思いました
MVに途中出てくるザクロは「結合」という意味の花言葉があるようなので、シドウさんがベットに生けている花達はこれまでに集めた臓器という解釈になりました
ただ、死んだ患者の臓器を集めているだけでは殺人とは言えないのでは…？と思ったので、助かる見込みのあるかもしれなかった患者も手に掛けているということなのかな、と。
しかし殺害方法を考えると、歌詞に「刺した言葉」「刺死込んで」と''刺す''が使われていたり、アンダーカバーの各囚人の殺害方法のシーンから見ても恐らく刺殺の線が強いです
病院で患者を殺す方法は刺殺よりもっと合理的で簡単な殺し方があると思うのでそこは謎です…
気になったことがあったら随時足そうと思います。
ああああああああああああああああああああああああ無理無理無理シドウなんて顔がいいのその儚げな顔やめて？ご飯食べる？笑って？声がえろいな？仲村宗悟ぉぉぉぉ…いいぞ…
最後に限界迎えてて草
わかる
今更なのですが、メスのことではないでしょうか
0:22と1:22を比べたら自分の患者(？)に同情とかの優しい感情を持てなくなってきてるのが分かるのすごい…
どうでもいいみたいな表情をしてるの刺さるな…
ある人のために臓器移植してる説が濃厚だと思ってたのにショートトレーラーで「邪魔だ、死ね」って言ってるし二審の歌詞すっごい不快です不快ですって言っててもうなんなんの君？？？？わかんない好き。表情筋が死んでてアマネやエスくんに気を遣ってて意外とおちゃめなとこがあるの何好きなんだけど。
シドウさんカズイさんの次に考察しがいが難しいし頭が追いつかない
「不快です 気持ち悪いです」は我々第一審でシドウさんを赦した看守達に向けて言ってるんじゃないかと思うなぁ私的には…うんマジで
シ ド ウ さ ん 謎 す ぎ る ★
I found it odd how much weight his psyche placed on documents, until I considered organ waiting lists. What if, instead of killing patients for their organs, he systematically removed patients that would have come first in line? He saw how sick she was becoming while waiting, 'withering' away like the roses. Now, instead, it's the other patients who withered.
I really like this theory! Especially when looked at alongside the evidence people give for the "organ harvesting" theory, which I don't really believe (It just seems too outlandish compared to the other prisoners' reasons for being in Milgram). The idea that he's removing patients so his loved one could get treatment first or soonest sounds right, and him calling what he did "selfish" really matches.
It also sounds more plausible than the theory that he just feels really guilty for having to take patients off of life support and having to lie to the patients' families (ex: lying that the patient passed peacefully), especially since that theory has been noted to sound too tame for Milgram, like, "why aren't other doctors who feel the same way in Milgram" etc.
Either way, I just really like this theory that I kinda wanted to add on to it! (even though I rarely comment/reply to things ;; )
視聴者からの尋問で、
｢大切にしているものは？｣→家族
｢愛のために犠牲にできるものは？｣→すべて
と答えていたので、シドウさんの大切な人(花人間)は奥様なのではないかと
ああぁぁ.......言葉にならないほど楽しみ過ぎてカバディできるわ
ｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞﾃﾞｨｶﾊﾞｯ、、
@@user-ic9xk7nq5r 噛んでて草
これさ、赦されなかったら死刑だから赦されたくないんかな？
だったら尚更赦して生きてもらって、一生をかけて罪を償って欲しいのだが(語彙力)
今思ったんだけど
最後の花人間？はシドウさんにとって大切な人で、
その人がいない世界なら生きてても意味が無いからそっちに早く行きたくて死刑を希望してる説もあるな
I don't know why everyone has wild theories, but I think Shidou is literally just suffering from doctor burn out of not being able or even legally not being ALLOWED to save everyone he wants to. Not everyone is cut out to save lives, and not everyone is cut out to literally be the one to pull the plug on someone who does not want to be resuscitated. I would forgive him in a heartbeat, even though he doesn't want to be forgiven.
Because in a way, failure in malpratice through unintentional accidents/or inevitably of death doesn't count as murder. If you were to intentional cause an accident that resulted a murder; then that is a sin.
@@ZIxZaven I don't think MILGRAM is solely about murder, though. See Kazui and Yuno, where the first probably caused someone's suicide and the second got an abortion. I don't even think Shidou commit malpractice as a doctor. He was just the one who has to pull the plug, legally, on patients who either wanted to not be resuscitated OR had no chance of survival.
@@exshoujo In the end, everyone has been counted as being done murder.
-Yuno has done abortion, which to some to many, isn't murder and its definied loosely, but to others, they see it as sin, as someone who killed a life. (In Law there is something against this. Remember this is Japan)
-Kazui is more vague, but as he has said "There are only a few that may call this murder". Kazui's whole facade in lies had led to someone getting killed (He didnt cheat, there are many indication that he didnt). If you turn to look at Futa who flamed someone to death and Mahiru who may or may not poisoned them, the degree of murder for Kazui may seem lesser in terms of weight, byt the weight of the sin is still prevelant. "If I could turn back time and noticed the signs", "If only you could have a change of heart", "I'm just a coward." These are all indications in which he saw the death of someone and he didnt anything about it. He just let tbe person spiral into what caused their death. Emotional neglecience.
Now we go to Shidou. If he were to chose to save the inevitable or to be the doctor of mercy and end the suffering of others, the amount if guilt that weigh down on Shidou is lessened. He has the theme "Lies and deception", "I now know what I have been robbing off of these people", "Morality is just a lie", I want the death penalty", these are indications that shows you that it isn't what it seems. Then we alao have major theme "My everything for you - Shidou, My love for your everything - Mahiru) these shows that Shidou even sacrifuced himself and everyone else in order to save a single person, his presumed lover. In his interrogation he answered this to a question that asked "Is there someone who you turn to when you are down?"
-He answers "They are not here anymore."
As much as I wished that Shidou was a doctor of mercy, the possibility is really unlikely.
@@ZIxZaven you are assuming FAR too much. His morality is him having to hide his true feelings in order to be a calm doctor who delivers the news. He wants the death penalty because he's depressed and burned out from being a doctor. He has to lie to people as a doctor and probably say things like, they passed peacefully, etc etc. Doctors, paramedics, and other medical professionals confess that they have done it before because the truth is, dying can be extremely painful and very gruesome and the truth is not what everyone wants to hear. Maybe he did actually commit malpractice on accident and cause someone's death and that was the tipping point, but the whole he's using parts to save a lover etc etc thing is so far fetched when we're looking at it more realistically.
@@exshoujo I guess this is where we draw the line 😅
In the end we both have lack of evidence to proof our claims further, so we just have to wait till his trial 2.
マジでしゅごんこういうオシャレ曲めっちゃ似合うからやめて欲しい、俺が死ぬ
やばい、中の声優さんのRTから飛んできたけど、やっぱり歌唱力凄いし、シドウ推しになるって思ったけど、他も色々聴いてたら全部箱推しになる。
ミルグラムっていうバンドか何かのアーティストが歌ってるのにMVが付いてるのかと思ったら企画！？めっちゃ良い！！！
というか仲村さん！？めっちゃうま…
考察とか抜きでここ好きなんですけど同士います??
ラスサビ前の、「さあゆっくり目をとじて(吐息(すき))後悔なんか飾って(吐息)・・・(略)ねえ誰かやってきたって(吐息)まだ変わらない表情で(吐息)」
吐息混じりの声みたいなのとラップみたいなのになってるのがめっちゃ好きです!!
私仲村宗悟さん別のコンテンツで
知ったんですけど
あっちだと｢Hey！｣とか言っちゃう
明るいキラキラキャラだったから
振り幅エグくてびっくりしてる
あとみんなみたいに頭の良さそうな考察したいけど
語彙がないから説明できない……😌
おすすめ欄に出てきたので初めて見たのですが、印象的だったのでコメント失礼します。
この顔が良いお兄さんですが、途中で白衣の際に降り注ぐ紙がカルテ、黒ジャケットの私服の時に降り注ぐ紙が恐らくトリアージタグの黒(助かる見込みのない患者)だと思われるので、「公的には、医者として働いており」「裏で(私的に)、助からない患者から使える臓器(まだ美しい花)を集めていた」(それを私的に、植物状態=内容的に多臓器不全か？になった誰かに移植して治そうとしていた)暗喩なのかな……と思いました。
コメント欄を見たら、患者を殺していたのではないかという考察が多い気がしたので一応。
えっと……その……
＿人人人人人人＿
＞ 顔が良い ＜
￣^Y^Y^YY^Y^Y^￣
何か、歌に対するのもそうなんだけど、
MILGRAMって一つ一つが本当に綺麗なんだよね。この曲で言うなら、花とか、()あと、ほんとに全部が後から伏線になってきそうな所もすき(仲村宗悟さん歌うますぎ)語彙力なくてごめんなさい🙏
え～なにその表情サイコーなんですけど...
これを仲村宗悟くんが歌ってんだよね
なんかもう神曲って分かるわ...
赦さないでって言うことで一定数の人が赦してくれるっていうのを分かってて言ってるとしたら、、、って考えると語彙がすごいことになる😐
そんでもって、仲村宗悟は歌がお上手すぎるね？？？？？？？？
考察多くて最高なんだけど…
シンプルに仲村宗悟歌上手くね？
それなぁ！！
仲村宗悟最高(*｀ω´)b
赦す赦さないを決めずに永遠にミルグラムに置いといたらいいのではと思った。
柘榴の花言葉「優美」「愚かしさ」、他には、花の「成熟した美しさ」、実には「結合」って意味も。
自分の行為を「愚か」だと卑下してる...？花を切って生けて(人型)にして完成させて、それを成熟/結合って暗に示してる、とか...？
やはり宗悟の歌声好きだ、、、、
第一審では赦されるって、、良かったのか分からないけど私は嬉しいよ、、
多分考察班の方々が
「この植物には〜〜という意味があって、……」
みたいなのをたくさん書くんだろうな…
俺はかけないけどな…
花が出た時点で花言葉量産フラグ(?)
ミルグラムに仲村宗悟さんいるのホントに天才だと思う
歌でなにが起こったのかを説明するミルグラムに、歌声に感情入れるのがすっごい上手な中村さんが合いすぎる､､､好き
まだ聞いたばっかの第一印象なので後で編集するかもなんですけど…
誰かは分かりませんけど、シドウさんにとって大切な誰かを助けるために患者から臓器移植を行っていたけど、その大切な誰かも亡くなってしまった…ってことなのかな？
［追記］
ボイスドラマ聞いてきました。「多くの人を殺した」みたいなことを言っていたので、多くの患者さんを臓器移植によってあやめたのでは？と思います。まぁ、ただ単に助けられなかったと捉えることも可能ですが…。それと、歌詞に「どんな感じだっけ？」「色の無い感情」とあったり、ボイスドラマでも色々と無頓着な印象があるので、多くの人を手にかけても何も感じないからこそ、罪の意識は強くシドウさんは極刑を望んでいるのでは？と思いました。
この考察はシドウが医者であることを推測し、それを前提としています。
・動画から読み取れること
1:21 0:10より シドウが何かを伝えたのち、患者の家族と思われる人達が悲しんだり泣き崩れたりしている
→患者が亡くなった？
0:43「スローダウン 誰かの誰かに繋ぐ あなたは生きている」
→歌詞や映像から臓器を移植して「あなた」を生かそうとしている様子が伺える
そして花は茎を切ると枯れてしまう。花を命と仮定すると、亡くなった様子を表している
1:27「なあ どんな感じだっけ 与えるために奪う気持ちは」
→「あなた」に与えるために他の患者から奪っている
1:54「スローダウン 誰かは誰かと 同じ 重さにはなれない」
「スローダウン 選ぶべき優劣を 叶えている 絶望を刺しこんで」
→患者の命の重さには優劣がある。
3:16 より、他の患者の臓器を与え「あなた」を救うことができたように思えたが結局救えなかった
・ボイスドラマから読み取れること
「俺は人を殺しています。それも大量に」
→「あなた」に臓器をあたえるために大量に人を殺している
「利己的な理由でも殺している」
→利己的とは、自分が得をするために他人を蹴落とすことも厭わない様子を表す。
分かりにくい考察になってしまいましたが、最後に。
曲名「スローダウン」には意味が2つあります
①速度を落とすこと
②仕事の能率をわざと落とす労働戦術
もうお分かりでしょうか？
スローダウンの意味で今回、重要なのは②ですよね。「あなた」に臓器を与えるためにわざと手術に失敗している…そんなところでしょうか。
絶対亡くなった彼女（？）のところに行きたいから極刑を望んでるじゃん。
許すという罰を与えたい。
全く同感です。
久しぶりに見て改めて…。
やっぱりどうやっても優しすぎるから植物状態とかのまだ完全に死んだわけではない人から臓器を「奪って」他の誰かへ「与える」ことを気に病んでたんじゃないかって思ってしまう…。家族が反対でも予め本人の同意があれば移植は確か可能だしそれで親族にも責められ、せっかく移植した人も亡くなっちゃって「赦さないでくれ」なんだとやっぱり思う。自分の大切な人を優先させた感じもあるからそこは医者として良くはないのかなと思うけど…。結局赦すってことになったけど「赦さないでくれ」って願ってる人を赦すのは罰だよなあって思いました。
0:26 ここよく見たらほんの少し笑っているんだよね…怖…他人の大事な人が亡くなって悲しんでいるのに笑っているってことはシドウさんからしたら赤の他人だし別にそんな人に対して悲しみなんてないみたいに冷めた様な感情が読み取れるし…
だけどシドウさんの大切な人だけは寂しさ悲しさはあるんやね……何とも言われへんけどやっぱりシドウさんはどこか怖いな…
いまさらアンダーカバーの本家MVをみてシドウさんに一目惚れした新規ですが皆さんのコメントも見ながらなんとなく考察してみますദ്ദി^._.^)
たぶんシドウさん自身は大学病院等大きい病院で働いているお医者さんなのかなと思います。白衣ももちろんだし最初のシーンの患者さんに謝っている様子を見ていると執刀医さんかなー...とも思いました。
MVに全体的に植物が多いのは院内を表してるんですかね。よく体が動かなくて脳とか体の内部だけ機能している状態のことを「植物状態」って言ったりするのでそんな状態の人がたくさんいる環境で働いてらっしゃるのかなと。
看守との一問一答にあった通り、彼には大事な人がいたんだと思います。なんとなくですがMV中の薔薇が大事な人を表してるのかな。その大事な人は何らかの原因で文字通り植物状態で、そんな中でも「あなたは生きている」からこそ延命してあげたいと考えたと思います。
そんなたくさんの命が枯れていく環境の中でなんとかして大事な人を生きながらえさせたい彼は「与える為に奪う」、臓器移植みたいなことを大事な人に施したんだと思います。薔薇の茎を切って空に翳しているのを見るに「自分が大事な人を救えている」感覚が強くなりすぎて、患者さんの臓器を奪うことに抵抗がなくなっていったんだと。二番に出てくる柘榴って脳っぽいですがそういう手術を繰り返す内に彼の道徳心とか倫理観も柘榴みたいに崩れていったのかな。
でもそんな努力も虚しく大事な人は亡くなってしまったんだと思います。直接的な表現はないですが赦さないで、という歌詞にもある通り彼が死刑を望んでいることは贖罪でもなくただ大事な人に会いたいからかもしれません。あなた(大事な人)は亡くなってしまったけど、自分の中で「あなたは生きている」からこそ、熱烈に死を望むんだと思います。
以上なんとなくのガバガバ考察でした。「ここはこうだと思う！」的なのがあれば教えてください🙃
個人的にはシドウさん推しだからこそ赦すか赦さないかすごく悩みます。生きていてほしいし罪は贖ってほしいので赦したいですが、大事な人に会わせてあげる為に、彼の望む結末にする為に赦さないのもひとつかなと思います。めちゃくちゃ複雑。辛い。
ミルグラムの楽曲の中でこの曲がダントツで好きなんよ
しゅごんの歌声も最高だし何より曲が我にドストライク
私情バチバチだしミルグラムには関係ないんだけど中の声優さんの子とずっとずっと応援してたからこうして大きな企画に参加してるのが嬉しいのよ……
Lyric:
NO yume no naka de
Mata nakareteiru semerareteiru
NO koroshita mayoi ga
Iki wo hisomete uso wo kaideiru
Tokutoku iu no koko ni itatte ii riyuu wo
Tomattatte kienai sa
Sanzan naichatte sorya sou da
Kimerunda masa ni ichido kiri no sono ikikata wo
Throw down dareka no dareka ni
Tsunagu anata wa ikiteiru
Throw down modorenai shoutai wo
Damashiteiru kibou ni okikaete
Throw down mou ii yo, mou ii yo
Dou shitatte hanarenai
Douka yurusanai de kure
Dakara owari ga hoshii yo
Throw down
Sashita kotoba kaeri chi ni nari
Shiro wo someteiku
Naa donna kanji dakke
Ataeru tame ni ubau kimochi wa
Dondon usumatte kan datte aji ga shinainda
Fuyou nara kyouminai ne
Acchi kocchi tte muda jan ne
Imi nante doko ni ari mo nashi mo sou ii kata de
Throw down dareka wa dareka to
Onaji omosa ni hanarenai
Throw down erabubeki yuuretsu wo
Kanaeteiru zetsubou wo sashikonde
Zettai tadashii koto ga inochi no kazu aru you ni
Mou hajimaru owari kanatte yatto sukuwarerunda ne
Saa yukkuri me wo tojite koukai nanka kazatte
Dareka no tame no anata wo negaou
Nee dare ga yatte kitatte mata kawaranai hyoujou de
Wakaranai kara koso kowakunai ki ga shita
Throw down moraru nado mousou da
Asa ga kite mo tsumi no mama
Throw down iro no nai kanjou wo
Nokoshita mama dokoka e ikeru ka na
Throw down dareka no dareka ni
Tsunagu anata wa ikiteiru
Throw down modorenai shoutai wo
Damashiteiru kibou ni okikaete
Throw down mou ii yo, mou ii yo
Dou shitatte hanarenai
Douka yurusanai de kure
Dakara owari ga hoshii yo
Throw down
病院にいる時はシドウさんも患者さんたちみたいに白っぽくてわざとじゃなくても命を積んでしまった。派手派手な花に囲まれてる（服も彩り鮮やか）時はわざと花の命を積んでるって感じの対比があたしゃ大好きよタマちゃん
Just a friendly reminder for everyone that surgeons work in teams. Now, I don’t know about you, but I personally wouldn’t go stealing people’s organs in front of my coworkers.
こんな内容で結果赦されてしまって近づいてきた第二審どんな風にシドウさんが崩れていってしまうのかと考えるだけで怖くなってくる。。
はやく トリアージ フルで聞きたい…
うっすらと笑ってる感じとかなんか諦めてそうな笑顔で花いじってるところとか台詞の意味深さとか顔とか
赦したいがすぎる推しだ
Guys. I think i noticed something. So Shidou's last name is Kirisaki, right? Well, in Japan, they call Jack the Ripper Kirisaki Jack. Who is known about cutting out his victims womb. Well, womb is an organ too, so maybe it could prove the organ harvesting theory... So at first I thought it's more than meets the eye, let's watch this MV again. And I found things that proves me right, and some totally controversial sht. The flowers are obviously metaphors for organs. And there is a scene, where Shidou is eating a pomegranade. I think it has an important message, but i'm not sure what it's all about. Pomegranade is a symbol of a lot of things, such as life, death, fertility, etc. So it's not clear. But in the greek mythology, Hades tricked Persephone, the goddess of innocence, into eating pomegranate seeds, which forced her to retreat to the underworld for winter each year. It can be a metaphore, for Shidou doing the same morally wrong thing, "returns into hell", for that person. And that person is probably his mother, not a partner. I think that because he doesn't seem madly in love like Mahiru. He seems desperate, and has lines in the MV, where it seems like he's thinking about this as something he has to do, like a mission of some kind to save that person. He is forced to do this, but cannot resist, because deep down he loves his mother. 0:13 "I am making you cry again, I'm blamed again." In a healthy relationship it's not supposed to happen. And the other thing... 3:39 You can see one of those dead body name tags. It's written Ru Kirisaki on it. It cannot be a wife, because Shidou is not wearing a ring. Of course you can marry without a ring, but it just won't make sense in this context. It still can be a sister though, but i don't think so. (It also could be a male, because the XY is crossed out, so it could either mean i'ts a male, or it's not. But i won't think so, i kinda feel like it's a motherly figure in his life) And there is another writing there. "Organ: Mugen" (I spent a lot of time decoding that doctor-writing so appreciate it XDD) Mugen means infinite in japanese. So she got an infinite amount of organs. (There is still some writing there but i can't see it well) And the other reason why i think she is his mother, is because she's dying from aging. She's old. This is the only thing, the doctors cannot help with, at least not legally. So Shidou might thought, if he could replace all of her organs, he might save her. There is a lot of withered flowers laying around in the MV. 2:08 These are probably her mother's old organs, because they are all totally dried out, and it can also refer to aging.
Soo yeah, that's my theory. Take it or leave it
And I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts about it, even if you don't agree
I think he may have even tried to keep her alive forever to be honest - to prevent organ failure due to old age by giving her new organs over and over
@@minty111 yeah, that also might be true. he said something like "love that never dies" in the second trial trailer in his new song. sooo that would make sense.
@@minty111 if I was the girl, I would like to rest in peace lmao
The “kirisaki” in Shiodu’s name is made up of the kanji 桐 and崎 they roughly mean paulownia and premonitory respectively. While the “kirisaki” in kirisaki Jack is spelled 切り裂きジャック. In that name the characters used are roughly cut and slash leading to a meaning of ripper/slasher when put together. As well, Kana characters are used alongside kanji in that name. Normally Japanese names just aren’t written like that. Occasionally Kana alone is used for a name, but never like 切り裂き which uses both and is really is more of a word than a name. It’s a cool theory, but in English his name’s meaning can be somewhat confused due to homophones.
Great theory! There is one thing I want to add: To me, it looks like the writing isn't "Organ: Mugen", it's "Organ: Magen". What's Magen? It's the german word for stomach. At first glance this may be random because: Why german? At second glance it's not THAT random. The japanese health care system was highly influenced by the german health care system and not so many decades ago every japanese doctor had to learn german. There are still a LOT medical german terms that are used in the japanese medical system. And Magen is an organ. So it would make sense. Also, japanese terms are normally written in kanji/hiragana and not in letters. I don't think they would write a japanese word in letters. So there is also the possibility that it's really stomach what's written there.
I'm not into medicine, but I made a short research and it seems that it isn't possible to transplant a stomach. It's not something that is done. And at the end, out of all notes, shidou tears the one with the writing "stomach" apart. So maybe it wasn't possible to safe the person because of that? Just my random thoughts on that, it could be a second possibilty besides "Mugen".
honestly after thinking about it the organ harvesting theory makes no sense because there is no way he could have gotten a lot of organs for a loved one without being caught
we went right against what he wanted and its amazing. SHIDOU INNOCENT.
hopefully with his 2 innocents (t2 being the highest inno ratio), he won't develop some kind of arrogancy towards his results by t3 and just continue in his positive development to his character 😔
「あなたは生きている」というフレーズ、シドウが誰かに向けた言葉とも取れますが、彼が患者の遺族から言われた言葉 とも取れますね…。
歌唱力と顔がイケメンすぎてなにも考えられない。赦す。
I feel inspired seeing other fans making theories so heres mine,
I think that Shidou wanted to become a doctor to help others but after a while, he realises that hes maybe not good enough. When patients die, people blame him for not being good enough and he accepts that because after his loved one died, he feels its all his fault too and everything in life becomes boring. He tries his best to act emotionless like hes not hurt but he does have hope that maybe he can make his loved one come back to life which made him realise. He pretends to be okay feeling guilty he cant even do his job right every day and wishes to die so he could see his loved one.
i second this…
i like this one
I really like this theory 🤔
花と歌詞だけならいろんな方が考察してるようなことで合ってると思うんだけど、2番の食事シーンが本当に不穏すぎるんだよな
どうしてザクロがあるのよ……
今更ミルグラム履修してるので2審からのシドウ先生が楽しみです
一番だと患者さんの家族らしき人は泣いてるけど2番だと怒ってる。
多分だけど最初は助かる可能性が低い人とか助からない人から臓器をいただいてたけど2番からは助かる可能性がある人に手を出しちゃったんだろうね
そういえば、「どちらを選ぶんだ 騙される方か騙す方か」ってのはどういうことなんだろ
It’s crazy to think if we did not forgive him, mahiru would not have had a second trial
0:36 0:43 えっど…
しゅごんの歌い方好きです
For those wondering. On that tag in his hand are the German words for the organs. "Magen" means stomach.
Also next to the gender are more German words for other organs: pancreas, heart, liver, stomach, kidney, intestines...
Wow i did not noticed that thank
Magen is actually swedish for stomach as well
もし色々な方が言っている考察通り、だれか大事な人を助ける為患者を殺して臓器移植をしていたのだとしたらそれは狂ってるけど、ちょっと狂ってるくらいが最高だよね。
ふと思ったんだけど、真実すら知らない自分達はなんで裁いているんだろう
てかシドウ美人すぎ
i'm obsessed with the imagery. i love the flower gore motif.
this song breaks my heart, too. the things we do for love.
Same~ the part where Shidou looks broken down in the end makes me feel sad too
シドウさんが医者って考察してた考察班の皆様さすがだわ……。
シドウさん、なんか儚くて切ない雰囲気があってしんどい。殺意はなかったけど命をなくしてしまったっていうか(語彙力)。
『誰かは誰かと同じ重さにはなれない』が個人的に刺さった。人の価値に違いはないとか言われてるけどやっぱりあるんだなって。
てか仲村くんよすぎ……すち。
友人に勧められてみたけど、
特に柘榴とワインを飲んでいるシーンは完全に人を食べているシーンだと思った。
一部では柘榴は人肉の味と言われており、ワインも血の味と言われる逸話があるからその類でしょ？
ってことは花は育てられて食べられる人の比喩？
自己再生機能と細胞の移植を利用して何度でも食べられるようにしていた？
って思いました。
should be writing a whole analysis on this in a google doc but i'll just briefly put in my two cents before continuing to work on that
1) no one really seems to be paying attention to how he speaks of this person he wants to save? the lyrics mention that even in dreams, they're crying and blaming him for something, but he has to bite back a hesitation that "sniffs out lies" around them. He associates the feeling of "take away in order to give" with them. despite him doing all of this for someone who he CLEARLY loves, they don't seem to be the best kind of person? "after stabbing you with my words, the blood started to flow, slowly staining my white" suggests to me that between shidou and this loved one, they may had often fought a lot.
2) the flowers he leans toward (1:15 - 1:17) are speculated to be bellflowers. they can mean affection, constancy, everlasting love, humility, and delicacy. these flowers are often given as a “thank you”. the lyrics at this are "that's why i want this to end". to me, this somewhat suggests that whatever happened between shidou and this person, shidou does not feel like he had proper closure with the way things ended and wants to be able to properly end things for both himself, and what he "believes" the other person would have wanted.
3) with the colors of the mv getting darker and darker by the verse, how shidou acts between both the first family and second family, how he walks into sunlight in the first verse and into darkness in the second verse, throw down STRONGLY shows the downward spiral of shidou's mental health throughout this.
the first verse is him trying to remain hopeful, he probably smiled after the first family most likely due to the fact that he thought he would be able to save his loved one fast. he repeats to himself that he has reasons to do this.
the second verse shows that he is losing touch with his emotions, he looks at the second family with a sort of confused/distant look on his face, like he's trying to understand why they feel that way. he starts to not see the meaning in different things or interests, only when it is "needed". he eats the pomegranate, which solidifies his notion of how there is no turning back from what he is doing. he ultimately believes that even if theres no meaning to it, it's believable with "how you say it", which explains why he lies to replace with hopes. saying "i hope i can bring them back" does not hold the same power as "i WILL bring them back".
(side note, this is probably why he works well with kids; he sees kids as those who are bright and filled with hope)
4) theres the belief of him killing and stealing 210+ organs from people which. thinking from a logical standpoint, there is no way in hell that he was able to get away with that. however, considering his worsening mental health and how he is about to reach his breaking point, it would probably be more believable to think that, even with victims that he had to kill, even those who wouldn't be able to help his plan, he ultimately blamed himself for their deaths too, especially since he eventually realizes the weight of all he has done in this period of time; he's definitely stolen from people on purpose, but he is also blaming himself for those he didn't have use for at all.
5) the whole "wish for being there for someone", "i'm not scared because i don't know" definitely supports how at this point, shidou's constantly lied to himself. he doesn't know how he truly feels about everything that has transpired at this point. if anything, his most genuine point in the mv is between 2:47 and 3:03 . he knows that he has lost sight with his ethics, he knows that despite everything he's doing, he is still in the wrong. he asks himself if he can even die with emotions left; he knows he is losing sight of how he truly feels.
EDIT: for this part, a friend pointed out to me this is where shidou isn't wearing the floral shirt. while you may ask why this matters, but some of the patterns on shidou's shirt seem to point toward some different meanings. personally, i can make out for sure a Bird of Paradise (which means faithfulness, freedom, magnificence, and paradise) and a monstera (meaning dedication and suffocation). him not wearing the shirt heavily suggests that this is the only moment that he doesn't feel weighed down by his "reasons" for doing this.
6) like all milgram prisoners, shidou is an *unreliable* narrator. i understand what he was doing is wrong, but there is really no point into voting guilty/don't forgive because of how negative this mv is. because, yeah, shidou is heavily biased AGAINST himself. of course, this mv will look a lot more worse than the others.
7) worth noting as well, shidou's cover for the album is "LIAR DANCE". people tend to point at the song as a clear sign that "yes the character who sings this song will be bad", but the song is ultimately about someone in a toxic relationship, who feels that they have to lie because their partner continues to, until the point where they can no longer keep up this relationship. it's an interesting song choice for shidou, who does this for the sake of love.
it is your choice whether or not to forgive shidou, but i personally don't see any point in the guilty/not forgive vote, at least as of right now in this trial. he's only biased against himself, his next mv will just continue to carry this same bias against him to make himself look worse than he may actually be, should we rule him guilty/not forgiven. if the next mv shows us more of the nature of the prisoner's relationships with their victims, i want shidou's mv to take some of the bias against him out of it. because as of right now, it does not seem like the relationship may have been an all-too-happy one; the fall-out of it may have been the start to his depression.
based and shidoupilled
Bla bla bla idc he still killed a lot of people sweaty🙄🙄
@@mono4818 ...i legitimately can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
@@mono4818 I mean so did everyone else lmao that’s what everyone in this series is being judged for
@@blazingheart2912 didnt know that killing probably 5 ppl at least is the ecquivalent of getting an abortion but pls continue! 😌😌
最後の人型にされた植物の集まりがシドウ個人が助けたいと思っていた誰かなのか、フランケンシュタインの怪物みたいなものなのかで悩む。
どちらにしても、医者という立場を利用して患者からその素材となるものを集めていた感じが倫理・法的に触れそうだなといった印象。
ラストの描写から彼の試みは失敗、ミルグラムに収監されている今の彼はある意味抜け殻みたいな状態なんじゃないかと予想。
こうと決めた一度きりの生き方を失敗したから、もう終わらせて欲しいと願っている感じ、
しかしこれ、どうするべきなのだろう？
前から思っていたが、赦すか否かの心情と何かしらの裁きを与えるか否かの対処を、別々のものとして考えた方がいい気がする。
特に今回彼自身が死刑を望んでいるところから、仮にこちらが赦さず最悪死刑を与えたとしてもそれは彼の望み通りのものを与えたに過ぎず、本当に罰となり得るのか？と疑問に思う。
赦せるからこそ裁く、赦せないからこそ裁かない、なんて一見矛盾したような答えも成立し得るのではないか？と思う。
こちらから裁きという形で一つの区切りを与えるのではなく、生き続けて自身の苦悩と罪悪感に苛まれ続けるのが罰になる人だっている。
This is a small detail and probably something people already noticed, but I still wanted to put this out there!
A friend of mine and I were saying that the fluttering "papers" around 2:21 might be toe tags. Toe tags, quite simply, are put on the toes of the deceased as a means of identification.
Assuming this is true and following the theory that he harvested organs to save someone he loved, it makes sense for one to show up after the flower person wilted as well. If it was someone he failed to save, it's the physical representation of their death, his murders, and his failures.
I'm not entirely sure if him ripping it in half is deeply symbolic or not. It could mean he finally gave up on trying to save them, it could mean he acknowledged his murders as pointless, or it could mean he's trying to deny the reality before him. He seems to hold it like he's praying before he does, like he's begging for the last shred of hope, but that might just be unnecessary analysis.
The tag itself also features two very bold sets of letters: XX and XY, and the XY appears to be crossed out.
Edit: I saw it pointed out that his Voice Trailer lines could play into this as well: "Not Dead. Yeah, she's definitely not dead" and "I finally understand the value of what I've been robbing people of." Another thing to note is his part in Es's song mentions: To deceive or be deceived
To me, this once again really ties into the organ harvesting theory. If he really was lying to himself about being able to save them as the lines suggest, it also explains why he seemingly wasn't scared when he was "pruning" those "flowers". He would have full-heartedly convinced himself that this person could still be kept alive ( also seen in the lyrics: "To keep you alive, you are still living" and "Lying, replacing with hope".) Being someone he loved, he might have felt a sense of righteousness and justification for his behaviors (possibly because it was someone important to him, someone worth saving in comparison to the fleeting flowers he takes from.)
Him ripping the tag in half could very well be him finally and fully realizing just what he's done, what he's lost, and what he can never get back. It's that last shred of hope torn away as he is robbed of the very thing he's stolen from countless others.
Another detail I noticed as well was around 2:04. This flower person seems to differ in appearance from the one at the end that we see actually standing. Not only are there fewer flowers adorning their frame, but many of the flowers seems to be duller in color at this point, with a few vibrant flowers remaining where the chest might be. This is the only other flower person we also see him interacting with through the mv, and every interaction with them it appears he's pruning flowers off their body (notice as well how they are laying down, inanimate). Compare this to the flower person at the end who is vibrant, full of various flowers that seem teeming with life, and is actually animated. This could easily be the same person, and he's just been replacing various organs over time. Maybe it's the early stages of him building the same person. However, the differing flower placements around the face and chest and they way they seem to parallel each other lead me to assume that they may be two different people.
Regardless, I'm definitely curious to see what other theories or details people can craft out the MV!
XX and XY are chromosomes, XX chromosomes are female, but XY are male chromosomes!!
@@nirectile Oh yeah! I completely forgot lol. That makes a lot of sense, especially if they are toe tags!! Thanks so much!!
So, we either have him trying to keep someone alive or trying to bring someone back from the dead build-a-bear-style? And here I thought it would be easy
Adding onto this, the way the flower person falls makes the tag at 3:35 seem like theirs. It really does seem like Shidou failed to save them and they passed. I can't make out the name nor the organ on the tag but XY is crossed out. I don't know if that means the person is XY (male) or XX (female) though. Shidou ripping the tag might just mean he didn't want to admit that person was dead or that he failed yet.
It’s worth mentioning that on the tag also reads “organs: magen”. ‘Magen’ means stomach in Germanic languages, implying this person donated their stomach. But you can’t do that without dying, right? Which is why I’m led to believe that his ‘murders’ are actually part of his job as a doctor or surgeon.
There’s a medical procedure known as organ donation euthanasia (ODE), where the patient (who are eligible for euthanasia) chooses to pass away from their organs (including their heart) being taken out during organ harvesting. It’s a method of euthanasia which respects the patients autonomy and increases the quality of donated organs. It’s known to be legal in countries such as Belgium and The Netherland, both which speak Germanic languages.
Although it has gradually been gaining more social approval, one major concern remains is that the procedure places immense emotional burden on the medical professional who performs it. Shidou FEELS like a murderer, despite the medical context and respecting the patient’s choice. He lies to avert himself from his feelings of guilt, but eventually, it becomes too much.
二審聴いたので戻ってきた
This took a good minute to formulate but here's my hypothesis.
Instead of Shidou stealing organs from his other patients, I think he was stealing the life-saving medication. "The feeling to take away in order to give"
Since the imagry of the Flower Room lines up with his house/apartment room, thus signifying that this is how Shidou views his pursuit to save this specific person, who he honestly could've unfairly discharged from the hospital in the first place ("Throw down" the invitation I can't take back).
There are too many cases of actual doctors and nurses who steal medication from their facilities for their own gain, like to foster a drug addiction. So for Shidou to steal medicine to save someone at his house seems much more likely than straight up organs. Someone counted the number of toe tags at 2:20 and it supposedly totalled to *210* people that he's stolen from, to me it just doesn't seem likely that he would've gotten away with it without getting himself (or even his hospital) sued into oblivion over how many routine surgeries he purposely botched, he never would've had the chance to "accidentally"(?) kill his favorite patient! Plus the same paitent undergoing 210 surgeries from the same doctor seems a bit much for how much time that would take compared to how young he is (29 years old). So stealing medication just makes more sense to me.
But obviously, this MV isn't about those 200+ he left for dead, this is about that flower person/favorite patient of his. So I think the flowers represents his attempts to mix and match whatever medication he hoped would improve her condition, like trying to arrange the best possible bouquet for a loved one. This antibiotic, that painkiller, maybe a steroid injection or two, anything to make her feel her bedridden self feel better. With the end result being that without the necessary oversight that being in a hospital would bring, the patient likely overdosed on something or maybe she had a drug allergy, but either way she ended up succumbing to it and possibly died in his arms.
Though given how "Please don't forgive me" is enough of a key lyric that even made it into the description, and that his lyric in Undercover asked if we would prefer deceiving someone or being deceived ourselves, I think Shidou is lying to us and himself.
I think he lied to his favorite paitent by saying that all these medications were going to save her life ("To keep you alive, you are still living"), when - deep down - he really intended to *mercy kill* her ("That's why I want this to end").
"Stabbing the despair to death" could be taken as Shidou continuing to administer these drugs despite the despair of doing so, because his despair will also be killed with his favorite patient, or so he lied to himself ("Lying, replacing with hope"). Because he sees death in his line of work everyday ("There are so many truths, as there are so many lives"), he's likely grown increasingly disillusioned with the thought that medical science can save anyone
("e t h i c s i s a d e l u s i o n")
so he decided to spare the person he loves the pain of having to continue living with her incurable illness ("The end that has already begun, I will finally be saved once it comes true").
"Now slowly close your eyes, put your regrets on display" could have been one of the last things she heard him say (which would be creepy af) but also the spoken line of "With the same expression no matter who comes" could come together to mean that this was he literally instructed her to do before he gave her the last dosage or injection.
"I don't feel scared because I don't know" if this would really save her life or mercy kill her??
Then from the shot of his room, there's a glass mirror or vase that he likely shattered in frustration after her death, lamenting his guilt and regretting his actions. He goes reminiscing on what happened and it seemed like the all stolen medication was working as originally intended! Even he's surprised by it (3:15), before having to put on a smile in the face of what he thought was a long fought for accomplishment. But as she keels over the plucked flowers scatter off, it makes me think that her death was a lot more violent than what we're shown (vomitting? Blood?) and he clearly wasn't expecting it either. Upon witnessing that her death wasn't peaceful at all, he comes to quickly and very vehemently regret everything he'd done to get to that point. "Please don't forgive me" is repeated again as we see - from his perspective - a new toe tag belonging to a female (named Rin?). The quick shot of 3:36 could either be the patient's perspective as she dies or that of a witness to the murder, which I find really interesting.
Shidou tearing her toe tag apart could explain his quote from the trailer ("Not dead... yeah she's definitely not dead... now I understand what I've been robbing people of") in that he was still in denial over having successfully killed her like he thought he wanted.
Also do we really know if Shidou is a surgeon? He could be a General Practitioner or a *Mortician* for all we know.
(One more thing: there's a little technical issue I spotted at 3:35. Shidou's hands cut off after a certain point while the floor keeps going. Good luck un-noticing that lol)
This makes a lot more sense then the organ harvesting theory tbh