MILGRAM / Mahiru - This Is How To Be In Love With You [The First Trial Music Video]
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- "I’m going to start relying on you if you’re kind to me, so please forgive me, thanks!”
Vocal: Mahiru (CV: Miho Okasaki)
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Lyrics: DECO*27
Music: DECO*27
Arrangement: Rockwell
Movie by OTOIRO
Director: Mana Inoue
Character Designer & Key Animator: Sunao Chikaoka(SUNAMARU), Tomoyo Sawada(SUNAMARU)
Animator / Finishing: staron
Graphic Designer: DMYM
Background Artist: Yuka Fujii
Assistant: awashima
CG: NNNuventus
Stylist: Rie Osato
Project Manager: Iori Majima
Art Director: DMYM
Original Character Designer: akka
Story / Author: Takuya Yamanaka
"This Is How To Be In Love With You" Instrumental
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Lyrics:
Do you really think you know what love is?
If you do, let’s just overheat together
the things that I only want to say to you, and the things that I want from you
Is love
I guess we can just say that this feeling is happiness
I can’t stop feeling like there’s something missing
What do you think? I know it's not the type of question you want to be asked
I can’t help myself because I want to see your cute confused face, I’m sorry
If you don’t hug me, even our hearts will start drifting apart
I pretended to be a good girl, but really, I don't want to say "I'm ok"
Do you really think you know what love is?
If you do, let’s just overheat together
the things that I only want to say to you, and the things that I want from you
Is love
Giving you love to the point of pulling you down
It’s just because I still get worried, please forgive me
Even when I test you, even the times we do the breakup ritual
Is because I love you
Ring ring, I’m calling you in the middle of the night
Forcing you to wake up, and I say “Good Morning!”
But I fall asleep before you, I really feel bad you know?
We can both feel lonely sometimes, but wonder if you’ll get angry soon
I’m going to start relying on you if you’re kind to me, so please forgive me, thanks!
We fought sometimes, I was happy to get hurt
Let’s have matching pain, this sickness is pretty bad
This is a claim of responsibility
from the two of us with matching love
Wanting to know everything about you, but wanting to die because it can’t come true
It's all because of love
I suck at pretending to smile
But see! I feel great because of you
The nights that I don’t want to say goodbye, me being embarrassed because it’s you
Is love
If you don’t hug me, even our hearts will start drifting apart
I pretended to be a good girl, I don’t want to be “ok”
Do you really think you know what love is?
If you do, let’s just overheat together
the things that I only want to say to you, and the things that I want from you
Is love
Giving you love to the point of pulling you down
It’s just because I still get worried, please forgive me
Even when I test you, even the times we do the breakup ritual
Is because I love you
The things that I only want to say to you, and the things that I want from you
Is love
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mahiru is heavily coded to be a human “cat”; with the way she constantly pounces on her lover, her cat-like smile and the way she unfurls her “claws” here (2:34), and how she feeds her boyfriend a rat in “i love you” like how cats offer their owners when they think they’re hungry, while in this, her partner is depicted in a bird cage and with blue feathers; he keeps constantly losing feathers out of stress and i think it’s supposed to represent mahiru using him as a “scratching post” and how cats hunt birds. when the last feather falls, he commits suicide and mahiru accidentally “swallows” him in her love.
Mahiru is inside a birdcage with her partner (depicted here as bird). Multiple times we see feathers falling, birds shed when stressed, it could be a sign that her partner was getting emotionally hurt over and over by Mahiru. But Mahiru views pain as a good thing- rather, she wants to share everything (including pain) and that's what makes her definition of love. For Mahiru she thought that having "matching pain" and everything was a good relationship but at the end her partner might have k!lled themselves symbolized by that last feather falling. Mahiru woke up to that sight and was completely shocked because she thought everything was fine between them still.
Dang...
This comment made me think that your smort.
Yeah, there's also the "Do you really think you know what love is?" part, which (I think) shows that they have different definitions of a good relationship
Nc
it could be the other way around, it might be that her partner is abusive and ended up killing him. idk hahahahaha i cant wait for her 2nd trial
歌詞の「たまにある別れの儀式」について。マヒルが「別れる」と言うと彼氏が「別れないで」言ってくれるから"自分は愛されてる"て実感できて安心する、みたいに一種の試し行動のことかなぁて。もしそうなら、愛されることにかなり依存していたのではと思う。
メンヘラってこと？
@@user-cw2de4wz3e そうだよ
わーお
一年前のコメントに返信すまん
まずマヒルは過度なストーカーで、たまにある別れの儀式→葬式ではないのかと考えてた･･･
実際エスverのアンダーカバーに葬式のシーンがあるので･･･そして葬式ってそんなに「たまにある」ものではないと思うのでマヒルが（ストーカーの）被害者に関わる人をどんどん○していってると考えると･･･
@@yomuyomuyomogi
横から失礼します。
アンダーカバーのお葬式は多分フタと関係あると思うます。スマホが映ってましたから。
曲名が日本語だと「愛なんですよ」
だけど英語だと「これがあなたに恋をする方法です」ってなってた…
まあ良いんじゃないか〜細かいことを気にするなってｗｗ
@@terasrumahbelakang英語での表現の仕方から読み取れるものがあるんじゃないかって話じゃない？
@@user-ic2zh9ig4u きっとそれだよ。
love her or hate her, you can't deny her drip
true
I want her closet bro
her iv drip you mean?
@@iluVioletLink LMAO
that's so foul 💀💀💀
恋する乙女なのしかサムネ見てもわかんないよ……
マヒルさん性格とか見た目とかおっとりしてそうなのに歌詞が早口というか詰め込まれてるところがあって今思うと愛の押し売りだったのかなって
ミルグラム、っていうコンテンツのことを全く存じ上げないままたまたまこの曲に辿り着いて可愛い曲やなぁ〜と思いながら呑気にコメ欄開いてしまったもんで今めちゃくちゃ戦慄している
今おんなじ状況です…闇深い…
まあそうなりますよねww
もういっそミルグラムにはまっちゃえ！
@@SSR_777_zzz😭😂@@SSR_777_zzz
ミルグラムを知る前グルミクから来て原曲聞きにそしていざコメ欄開いたら
クッソ闇深すぎて「ふえっ？」ってなりそこからミルグラムに興味湧き
いつの間にかミルグラムファンになっておりました正に もっと早く知っておけばよかった
@@huwarari9926 自分もです
マヒルちゃんのMVに共通してるのは「いない」とか「ない」物を描写してる所。
これホント凄くてこのMVには「青い鳥の羽」は描かれてるけど
捕まえようとわきわきする目線の先にも鳥らしきモノはいないんですよね…。
青い鳥はチルチルミチルの「身近にあるはずなのに見えない何気ない幸せの象徴」なんだけど
もう「羽」という残骸しか残って無いのか
始めからそんな幸せ無かったのか…。
二審の描写されてない物は「あなたが踏みつけた」「私の愛」。
彼は何も踏んでる描写が無いんだよね。
なんなら靴すら、靴下すら破れてて、強いて言うなら土というか地面位でそれすら歩みを止めて「踏んで」無い。
何も無い彼の足の裏にある「空白」の描写こそが「凶器」になってしまった「私の愛」なんだろうね。
三審で何が描写されなくなるのか凄く気になるし楽しみ(*´▽｀*)
it's important to note that the magazine article texts actually tell the backstory in more detail than the song lyrics do! basically, she has just moved to tokyo (assumedly for university), and she falls in love at first sight with a fellow university student, a guy to be specific - you know he is one because she uses masculine pronouns when referring to him.
at 0:23, we get a neat tidbit:
RIGHT:
“Someday I will become a lovable me! 16 day memorial”
LEFT:
“MAHIRU’S GIRL POWER INCREASING LOVELY 14 ITEMS”
“A mature onee-san figure comes to mind from his outstanding slender silhouette”
“Gotta PICK UP the faves ♪”
so she most likely changed her style to try and entice her love interest. however, they hadn't talked yet at that point, because at 0:38, day 3, the text reads "The moment our eyes met on the university terrace, it felt like fate. Who knows, maybe I was born to marry him. Just kidding, aren't I overthinking this?"
day 4, 0:56: "Running into your crush at a bakery - this must be fate, right? I bought the same bread as him, but I don't know if I can fit in all of these(dk if she means eating or fitting them in the bag)... >< I didn't even think about all the calories..."
at 1:04, day 5: "Me and him are now on speaking terms, and he happened to tell me that his hobby is running. Without even thinking about it I blurted out that I was interested in it, and we went running together. Even though I hate exercise... I have never ran that much in my life. I'm beat."
so from this point on, they are interacting more regularly.
at 1:11, day 6, she mentions taking up a part-time job at a flower shop in hopes of seeing him there. nothing super interesting, so no translating.
day 7, 1:18, she mentions that the feelings bundled up in her favourite romance novel aren't something she looks up to anymore, because she is actually experiencing them for herself now.
1:41, day 8, she's waiting for him to finish his part-time work shift to tell him something. obviously implies confessing.
afterwards, we get obvious implications that they are now going out - at least from Mahiru's perspective. note the article style change! 1:58, "Regular maintenance is a must! ...It's not like he'll notice though, since he's so insensitive. The beautician in charge today is my senpai in (the field of) love. There's lots to be learned from senpais in love..."
2:12 : "Got invited to his house for the first time. This was my first time going to a guy's house. Couldn't get any food down my throat the whole day... I can barely remember a thing!"
and after that, the magazine article text layouts get... a lot more jumpier. like glitched almost. the text is readable, but the size of certain words and parts is changed and it isn't as nice looking as before.
2:47 - "Participated in a relative's wedding. Like always, a bride is so beautiful I can't help but want to be like that! My dream has always been to marry my chosen person. I don't think it's going to stay a dream much longer."
2:54 - "Went out for an outdoor cinema date under the night stars with him. So chic! They were screening my favourite French film, so I just had to invite him. As always, girls in love are the cutest."
2:59 - "Out for hatsumode with him. I decided what to wish for. May we stay together always. May no one get in the way."
3:05 - "Before he comes home, I'll make some dinner and wait for him. I have memorized everything he likes, and cooking is the perfect kind of training! I'm really looking forward to his surprised face."
PLEASE don't take any of these translations literally and pay too much attention to specific wording - many of these are translated instinctively instead of literally to keep the mood the same. corrections and additions by other japanese speakers are very welcome
another note: the magazine articles also have the typical clothing/item listings at the side, and all of them are listed as "the model/photographed's personal belongings". food for thought!
Thank you for the translations! : )
Wait. All of those... isn't it only Implied they are together? Could it be she saw them as a couple, but the feeling did not go both ways?
My guess is that she's a stalker and this relationship is all in her head. It's really suspicious that she talks about going to the shrine together but he's not in the picture, etc.
While some of the captions have justifications for why he wouldn't be the photos, that could just be a case of a super unreliable narrator (which this series is full of).
@@momocakimoto4764 His arm might be in one of the photos when they go to the outdoor cinema together.
Thanks for the translation!
I thought they were in a relationship, but the translations would imply that she is just imagining things. Like, she is pursuing him in various ways while he doesn't seem to actively seek her out. She never mentioned that they were going out and I believe that Mahiru is the kind of person that would mention it. What I also find weird is that it's called a 16 day memorial, with each picture being labelled as one day. That looks like 1. this whole story was only 16 days long and 2. that it's something that happened in the past and is to be remembered?
To the layout of the articles, like you mentioned they seem to change as the days go on. They might hint on her mental state or their relationship overall.
Day 2 & 3: neat font with no background
Day 4 - 7: neat font with background
Day 8: neat, tilted font, no background
Day 9 - 12: neat font with unclean background
Day 13 - 16: snippets in various sizes
As for the snippets, it reminds me of blackmail letters with cutouts.
I also wanted to add that her looking disturbed at the end might not be his death. Maybe he got a girlfriend or fiancée? Mahiru believed that he was her one true love and that whatever happens he would still choose her in the end.
Maybe on day 8 the guy rejected her and she still believed that he would come to love her soon. She acts similar to before the confession, but something feels off (the text format is also similar, besides that the background/box is unclean). And after she went to the wedding on day 13 she started to freak out in some sense. She started to seek him out more often, goes on "dates" with him and wishes for their future together. Almost as if she became desperate and scared about losing him.
寝起きの動きが猫っぽくて可愛いなあと思ったんだけど、マヒルさんが猫なら 青い鳥を戯れているうちに殺したみたいにもとれてちょっと怖い
確かにマヒルさん猫っぽい！！！！( ﾟ∀ ﾟ)ﾊｯ！←※私解釈です
うちの猫が無邪気に獲物を嬲ってる時の表情とダブって見えたのでめっちゃ分かります.....
猫と関係あるのか不明ですが泥棒猫ということではと私は思いました
泥棒猫は人の恋人を奪ったりする人を差す言葉ですから実際
マヒルさんは恋人を誘惑して奪ったという考察です
:追記 後もう一つ猫に関することわざがあります
それは「好奇心は猫を殺す」っていうのを思い浮かびましたね
野生の猫は鳥の首をもぎ取ってしまうことがあるらしいです…
偶然にも……マヒルが猫で彼氏さんが鳥という比喩…
アンダーカバーの時、マヒルさんに殺されている時のエスが笑ってたのはマヒルさんの束縛から死っていう形で逃れられた事に対する喜びだったりするのかな。
It’s kind of sad knowing we might never see Mahiru this bubbly ever again :(
I don't know what made a large amount of voters vote her guilty for that 😭
Fr 💔💔
ikr 😭 got beaten up too
I'm so sad that they voted her guilty
da, she may need therapy but those monster vote her Unforgiveable 😢💔💔💔💔 now look at her.😭😭😭
これは……あれだ、ユノちゃんの時以来の「ひたすらに可愛くてどこが伏線なのか全くわからんやつ」だ！！！
考察云々は置いといて、この曲と "好きって気持ち揃った2人から世界に向けた犯行声明" って歌詞が超好き
最初はマヒルがストーカーなのかなって思ったけど、アンダーカバーの挿絵でしっかり手繋いでる影だったし、MVの映画観てるシーンもしっかりもう1人いるっぽいし一応妄想でなくちゃんと付き合ってる彼氏はいるのかなと思った。
愛しすぎて彼氏が自殺した説も多いけどもしそうならボイスドラマであんな明るい感じじゃいられないかなと思うから、明確な意思を持って、ある程度正当性は感じながら殺してはいそう。
個人的には、美容室のお姉さんと彼氏の浮気が原因かと推測。または、美容室のお姉さんと彼氏(とマヒルは思ってる人)が元々カップルで、マヒルの方が浮気相手だった、遊ばれていただけだったとか。
最後の、「彼に内緒で家で料理作って待ってる」という状況が浮気バレのフラグ感。
料理並べてる時の服と、最後の寝起きからのびっくりしてる時の服が同じだから、料理作った後待ってる間に寝ちゃって、物音がしたから起きたら彼氏と美容師のお姉さんが一緒に入ってきてびっくり→激昂→殺害という流れかなと。よりにもよってなんでも相談してた美容師さんが相手だったら相当恨みも強くなるだろうし。
とりあえず、恋愛絡みでの殺しなのだとしたら個人的にはあまり赦せないかなあ。殺す以外の方法はなかったのかなと思ってしまう。
めちゃくちゃ分かりやすかったです！
やっぱり他のコメントで言われてる通り恋に恋してる感あるよね…
自分もそう思います 特に2:40 ここおそらく殺しているんじゃないかと思ってしもうた
病んでる彼女が彼氏を巻き込んで焼身もといオーバーヒートしたんだと思ってたけど、そっちの二人をやっちゃって証拠隠滅って線も面白そう
この考察一番しっくりきた
カズイさんのMVでは2人の女性が出てきてる（奥さんっぽい方は顔描かれてないけど）ことを考えると
マヒルさんのMVにほぼ恋人が出てきてないの異常な気がする。
やっぱりここで言われてるように、恋してる自分が大切で相手はどうでも良かったんだろうな…
「なんやこの可愛い女はァ〜〜〜」って思ってきたらコメントの考察が不穏だらけで「あなや〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜」ってなってる
追記：二審観て帰ってきたみなさ〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜ん
「あなや」の使い方天才すぎて好きだ
ジャッキーかな？笑
このコメント何回見ても好き
When you learn about the murder:
Not a cute girl
@@HiImHere_ まひるさんはかわいい
こんなにも相手を愛している素振りや歌詞なのに、何故カズイさんのように相手の顔が出てこないのか不思議だったけど、やっぱりマヒルちゃんは"愛される"ことが好きっぽいな。
第二審こわいなぁ……
｢誰かを愛している自分｣を愛しているという説をどこかで見ました……闇が深ぇ！！！！
文字が綺麗に揃っていたのに、だんだん角度が斜めになっていって、最終的にバラバラで不安定な文字
だんだん心の中がおかしくなっていってるみたい
たしかに!!
Day15なんか「誰にも邪魔されませんように」なんて書いてありますね…こわっ…
自分の独占欲と行き過ぎた愛が限界に達してしまった結果滅茶苦茶になってしまったのかな
多分色々な場面の画像があったけどそれって写真
けどなんで沢山の料理作ったり、いろいろなことしてるのに、付き合っていた彼氏はいないんだろう
ストーカー説もヤンデレ説もどっちも考えられるから、今までで1番想像つかない…
でもそれがこのコンテンツっぽくて好き
マヒルさん限定の話じゃないんだけど、1つの疑問としてミルグラムの「ヒトゴロシ」の中には、「自分の心を殺す」ことも含まれるのかな??
ハルカの時も似たような考察（弟説と自分の子供の頃説）でしたがハルカの場合は確か母親と犬を確定で殺していたと思われるのでまだわからないですね...
@@user-py4kf6yj5i
まだ第1審ですもんね…
シドウさんとかフータくんも直接人を殺してる描写がなかった気がするので、殺したのは心なのかなーって思ってたんです…笑
とりあえず、これからの展開に期待ですね！
@@user-pd9ti7vp7m
フータくん、かっこよさと可愛さが混在してていいですよね笑
「心を殺す」が「ヒトゴロシ」に含まれるなら、自分のじゃなくてもいいのか…？
相手を物理的にではなく精神的に殺したのか…？
｢青い鳥症候群｣というものがあるらしいです。童話、青い鳥のチルチルとミチルが青い鳥を探し続ける姿から、現実を直視せずに理想ばかりを追い求める人の様子を指すそうです。
MVの中にも青い鳥の羽、マヒルの入った鳥籠が出てきていました。この情報使えるかな、
はい、とっても使えます…！
何となく最後の目が覚めたら誰もいなかった感からして実は全て妄想だったっていう説が(自分の中で)あるので
うちの姉がそれです笑笑
たしかに、青い羽はそれのことかもしれませんね！
山中は好きそうなネタだと思った
今はなき某日曜番組を思い出した
確か、幸せになれない人の
典型的なパターンですよね‥
マヒルさん、「私は全力で愛するから、あなたも私を(同じくらい)愛して！」っていうタイプなのか
それとも、「好き好き大好き！この気持ち受け入れて！！」のタイプなのかでこの曲の解釈が変わってくる気がする
追記:第2審楽曲「だいすき」の歌詞には「どうかしちゃうよこのままじゃ 好きだよって言うのも好きなのに」ってあるから、後者なのかな〜と思ったりもするけど、よく分からないね
好きすぎてどうかしちゃう！ってことならやはり後者か…？
サムネから溢れるマヒルさんのかわいさ
電話のシーンめっちゃめっちゃめっちゃめっちゃめっちゃ好きすぎてリピート不可避
しかもこれでチョロインなんだぜ？最高だろ
the change from the drawn backgrounds to mahiru just appearing in real life photos to show how her feelings are out of sync with reality was so clever
1:50
The name of the cocktail she is presumably ordering is CORPSE REVIVER.
第一審で「赦さない」が確定したフータ、3/17時点で「赦さない」が優勢のマヒル。
2人は被害者を直接殺してない（と思われる）のに赦さない派が多いのは興味深い。
人を精神的に追い詰めて死なせる方が赦し難いってことかな。
個人的な意見だけど、フータが赦されないの解せない…まだ考察段階だけど、もし本当に悪いやつをネットに晒したのだとしても、悪いのはフータじゃなくて悪いことしてる側だと思う…そこの責任転換って怖いよね(´・ω・｀)
@@charme6780 でもいろんな人の考察見てるとフータは度が過ぎて「悪くない人まで冤罪でネットに晒して死に追いやってしまった」可能性が捨て切れないんだよね…
@@user-jd3qr3uj9z なるほどなるほど…そういう意見もあったんですね！確かにそう考えるとフータも悪いですね…！でもそうなるとフータも言ってた「なんで俺だけ、お前らも」って感じにもなるよなぁ((;´д｀)難しい…
@@charme6780 冤罪の場合はともかく、そもそも問題行動を起こした当人が悪いのはその通りなのですが盗撮や誹謗中傷は犯罪ですし、悪事への“批判”と人への“攻撃”はまったく別物です。相手が誰であれ、理由が何であれ攻撃するという事は他者に危害を加えるという事で犯罪になりえますから、フータが悪くないとは言えません。それらの点やフータの行動がネット上で見られ、嫌われている“燃やす人間”と同じもので嫌悪感が煽られたのも合わさって赦さないになったんでしょうね
@@user-wo9bj9du8x フータは赦すべきって人が多くて、いやダメだろって私は思ってて理由が説明しにくかったんです。でもそれがすごく言葉にできていてすごい。それだ。フータは「攻撃」してるからだ。。。
よくみたら最後のシーン、若干見上げてるのがわかる。ずっとなんだろって思ってたけど、まさか首吊って死んでる恋人見つけてたとかさぁ……
でもそれだと殺したってことにならんくない？
@@komadome_
マヒルの愛が彼を追い詰めて結果自殺って事だったら殺したことになる気がする...フータも同じ感じだし🤔
@@komadome_『何者かの死に関わったこと』が共通点なので、ミルグラムに呼ばれている以上恋人の死の原因にマヒルが関わっているのは確定なんだろうな〜と思います……
さらに羽が1枚だけ下に落ちていくという恐ろしい描写の仕方を…
@@Nsan0118羽根＝命ってことかい？
i wonder if her crime is putting too much pressure on her s/o, constant emotional abuse ("if you leave me i'll kill myself!") to the point that the s/o thought the only escape was through death? hmm... english milgram community come thru pls xD
This MV is confusing for me :c
Wow, my favorite utaite here too xD
and yes, I think so. It just like a pressure but I still didn't get it yet
thats def what i got from it too! its 5 am so i dont have many hardcore insights but the general gist seems to be “emotional abuse (whether that was intentional or not i cant tell but it doesnt make what she did any better either way) that pushed her partner to suicide”
This MV is one of the more confusing ones hahaha
It does seem like their partner possibly committed suicide-? I'm still rewatching the video hahha
woh ! it took me some times to realise it was rachie ( i love your work) x3 i was searching more information on the mv but yeah i guess she was an abuser and he ended killing himself
16日間なのに季節感バラバラで気になった
そのくらいの頻度でしか彼と会ってなかったってことでしょうか
罪を赦してる訳じゃないけど、どタイプで、とにかく可愛いから。めっちゃ好き
In the Milgram app, Mahiru answered 20 interrogation questions:
1. Why did you choose your current workplace? "I'm still in college you know. Wondering where to work right now"
2. Is there someone you can confide everything to? "I tell everything to the lady at my usual beauty salon"
3. Have you ever cheated on someone? "No way! Cheating is so not a thing, right!? Right!?"
4. Anything that you treasure? "Love!!"
5. Any prisoners you don't get along with? "Futa's mean, so he's no good! Also Mikoto seems flirty, a bit like a cheater"
6. What is allowed to be sacrificed for love? "Everything"
7. Is there something that will remain when you die? "Not yet I guess"
8. What is worse than death? "Not being able to love someone anymore"
9. What do you want from your loved one? "For him to accept my love! Nothing else!"
10. How many boyfriends have you had? "One!"
11. Do you prefer confessing your love or being confessed? "I want to confess! Yeah! But I've only confessed in my life, so I might want to be the one being confessed, too!"
12. What is your recent hobby? "I guess talking with everyone these days. Even though my hobby was watching TV dramas"
13. Favorite food? "If it's something cooked just for me, anything ♡"
14. If you could bring one person back to life, who would it be? "The person I love"
15. How much savings do you have? "I am able to go on thanks to the money my parents send me..."
16. What is the definition of happiness? "Having a romantic heart"
17. What animal are you like? "A penguin! They're wonderful animals who take care of children as a couple!"
18. Which prisoner are you closest to? "I'm friends with all the girls!"
19. What do you think happens when people die? "They go to heaven!"
20. What do you think about smoking? "I've never smoked before, but I might copy him if who I love smokes"
Ohhh thank u for commenting this! I am new to this fandom but woah she really does priorities love a lot
That's interesting!
I mean, she’s extreme, but...
*I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH NO.5, I DON’T LIKE FUTA EVEN THO HIS SONG IS CATCHY*
@@noahi.1381 Lmao Futa is just a gigantic kid 🥱
i just saw a comment of a theory that mahiru pressured her lover to the point the lover commited suicide, guess thats actually true based on the questions
…
The subtle foreshadowing of Mikoto’s double-crossing…
* *wheezing* *
第二審見た後にこれ見ると、16日目の料理たちが“本当の料理”なのか疑ってしまうね
あのネズミは愛の比喩だと思うけど…
@@user-mtmtmそうとも言いきれなくて色んな考察できるのがミルグラムのいいとこじゃないんですか？
あの料理が全部ネズミちゃんとかゴキさんやらその他もろもろだったら怖い
この曲を友人に進めた結果↓
友人「dayって書いてあるのに季節バラバラだし、ストーカーした日のこと言ってるんじゃない？」
私「頭いいなお前」←馬鹿
考察と関係ないけど、マヒルさん洋服種類いっぱい持ってるし、デザインもおしゃれで、更に料理も出来るなんて女子力高い！うらやましいなー
1:36 ここからサビまでの歌詞、新曲MV見たあとだとかなり印象が変わってくるな．．．
病気は物理的な病気だった？とか(ネズミ食べてたし)
夜中に何度も電話したりコンビニバイト終わって疲れたところに何時間も公園でデートとかそういうのに心身が持たなかったってのもあるんやろな〜
ふふ、気をつけてね。
＿＿そんなに一生懸命だと、好きになっちゃうよ。
(公式ページ引用)
マヒル/椎名真昼(しいなまひる)
CV:岡咲美保
良くしゃべり、良く笑う、太陽のような女性の囚人。
誰に対しても分け隔てなく接し、献身的。女性陣最年長ながら純粋な性格で、嘘に騙されたりからかわれたりするが常にへらへら笑っている。彼女の存在がミルグラムの中で癒しになっている一面も。
面談でよくしゃべることになる看守に対しては特別な思いが芽生えており、普段の明るい表情とは違う寂しそうで大人びた表情を見せることも。
性別＿＿＿＿女
身長＿＿＿＿154cm
誕生日＿＿＿＿1月17日
年齢＿＿＿＿22歳
血液型＿＿＿＿B型
多分全曲そうなんだけど
歌に被って裏で喋ってるのめっちゃすき
2:46 ここから、MVの文字が切り貼りしたものに変わるのゾクっとした…
よく殺害予告とかに使われるから不穏がすぎる
3:06 ここを縦に読んでいくと、【彼が帰ってくる前に、彼の好きなもの、彼のおどろく顔を、ご飯を作って待ってよう。】になるのは偶然…？
なんだか、彼の私物を捨てたように取れなくはないんだが…
最初の方は雑誌の1ページみたいな文だったのが段々怪文書みたいに途切れ途切れになっててちょっとぞわっとした
Day9あたりから変わってきてますね...😢
Day12からまた変わってます...
それなァァァ
継ぎ接ぎに貼り付けた感ありますよね
@@user-dv5sc8kf3l それは天才がすぎ
個人的解釈。。
マヒルちゃんと殺された男性は、付き合っていたものの、マヒルちゃんの思いの方ばかりが強くなっていくのに対して、彼はその思いが負担になっていた。
(彼の日常生活に支障をきたしかねないくらい連絡をしていたりとか、待っていたりとか。)
そして、マヒルちゃんが彼を殺したと思われる16日目の夕方。
マヒルちゃんは彼の家で一緒に夕ご飯をたべ、彼と居られる充足感に満たされたまま 眠りに落ちた。
そして目を覚ましたあと彼から｢別れて欲しい｣と告げられて、真っ青になって…みたいな。
彼のことが本当に大好きで仕方なかった。だから、囚人の主観を映しだすこのMVでも、彼のために彼女がしてきたことに関するシーンしか出てきていないのだと思います。。
みんなは許しますか？、、最初は分からなかったけど、分かったかも、、看守さんに
「私に優しくすると死んじゃうかもよ。」的なこと言ってて、
マヒルさんの彼氏はマヒルさんに優しくして、最初は普通に付き合ってたけど
マヒルさんの愛が重すぎて、彼氏さんが自殺したんじゃないかな。
フータと同じで今回は直接に殺したんじゃなくて、精神的に追い詰めて
自殺に追い込んだっていうのが正しいかも。。いつのまにか死んでた。みたいな。
その可能性ありそうですね！
私は、許すかなぁ、、、
そう考えると最後の驚いてる顔は自殺した恋人の姿を見て驚いたて、ことなんでしょうか……🤔
@@koto6685 多分そうなると思います、、
自分で殺してあんな顔にはならないんじゃないかなぁって
帰ったら死んでたとか、
私も改めて観て、愛が重いというのが原因の1つだなと気づきました
最初はストーカー的な感じかと思ったんですけど、動画の中ではちゃんと付き合ってるっぽかったので、涼真さんの解釈あってると思います！
@@user-gb3cz1kr6y そうね。帰る時マヒルもう寝っており、つくえで料理をいっぱい置いて相手は精神的に重すぎるかも。
第二審出たから帰ってきた。
「厭ってほどに 縛ってみたり」「痛みはお揃いでしょ」「君の全部知りたい」「叶わないなら死にたい」
彼氏さん、こういうのが重かったのかな…
鳥籠から外見て自分が何やったか気づいたけど、見て見ぬ振りしたよね。
本当の恋人的な人がいるのであれば、気づかぬうちに縛り付けてた感じかな、雑誌の文章で言葉で「だれにも邪魔されませんように」ってあるし、最後の絶望したところとか、恋人が精神的苦痛に追い込まれて自殺した説はある。
ただ、ミルグラムの曲の傾向的に思いが強い人に対しては、イラストでしっかり描かれてたからもしかしたら、マヒルの場合はただ恋がしたいだけであって、別に誰とかは興味ないのかなとも思った。（恋人的な人が写真に一切出てこなかったから）
ユノはいろんな人とって感じだったから、相手の顔が映らなかったし
2:50に恋人らしき人物の腕はありますね...どうなんでしょう
「恋がしたいだけ」っていう解釈にはすごく納得した
腕しか写ってないのも、マヒルちゃんにとっては「恋人がいる」っていう事実が大事なんであってその相手が誰かっていうのはあんまり関係なかったのかもしれないですね……恋をしてる自分が好きだったのかな
あくまでマヒルさんは恋に恋しているだけで､相手よりもとにかく恋することの方が好きって感じですかね
そう考えると､2:52辺りの「恋する女の子って一番カワイイ」って言葉が､「恋する自分が一番カワイイ」って思ってるんじゃないかと疑ってしまいます
マヒルさんが言ってた恋愛の先輩って人が結構鮮明にうつってたから、
その人が最後のところで彼氏さんと腕組んで帰ってきた…的な？
同じ彼を好きになってたってことか…
しっくりくる考察ですね
@@user-cd2ir9xc5b
本命は美容師さんの方でそっちの方が長いから知ってることが多い説も推したいです(勝手な妄想ですがw)
しましま子
うわーありそうですね
共感嬉しいです…！
考察に加えて自分でストーリー作るの好きなんですよw
しましま子 考察に加えられるの良いですね
I will never ever understand the guilty vote here. I understand well that she didn't love in a healthy way, but in no way did she wanted the one she loved to kill himself, the expression at the end just shows it, she never wanted that to happen. But oh well, now we know fully well how the votes affect the prisoners, so i really want everything to go smoothly in this second trial now that we know the possible consequences of our votes, and i hope that now everything can be more clear for us in the next mvs
I think it's the way she's fast to move on and probably ready to date someone else is what people don't like, but I do think people are cruel with their votes. She stated "There's no reason to live if my love is unforgivable" or smth like that, she hinted suicide and people still voted her guilty.
I want to vote Kotoko innocent again.
My theory is that some prisoners might get to a breaking point sooner than later and Kotoko is probably the one that might impede some incoming murders.
Haruka is implied that has no remorse on killing now and might do it again so if voted guilty Kotoko can beat him up back to his depressed self. Mahiru got beated hard and Shidou saved her which put him in Amane's shitlist and might go for him unless Kotoko intervenes. And let's not talk about Mikoto, she battling the other might've avoided a bloodbath.
@@KuroiHoshiV if Kotoko only plans on hurting/incapacitating the guilty, I’d feel bad sending Amane to her again :/. Personally I don’t trust her to act as “deputy”, because she could disagree with the voting. But, I agree with you about voting Haruka guilty 👍. His ideas kinda need to be beaten up.
@@xxsometeawouldbenicexx5197 Amane was protected tho, she at least doesn't look visible beat, but it might be because she refused the treatment and why she might try and kill Shidou.
I FULLY AGREE
Day16の衣装が雑誌風イラスト以外のアニメーションの服装と一致していることから
前奏:彼がいない日に彼の家に合鍵を使って入った
間奏:彼に電話してもでないまたは今日は会えない等言われる
Day16〜:夜ご飯作って彼の帰りを待っている間に寝てしまう
ラスト:帰ってきた！と思って玄関を見ると浮気相手と一緒に帰ってきちゃった的な感じかな…？
たしかに！！納得。
2:10のところマヒルちゃんの目線の先に誰もいない…
本当にお呼ばれなのか？
Everybody keeps talking about how the falling feathers represent the boyfriend getting overwhelmed by Mahiru's smothering love. But the thing is, the feather was already falling around Mahiru at the start of the song, right before she locked eyes on the guy for the first time.
I have to wonder...was the boyfriend doomed to die from the start? Maybe he thought dating Mahiru would make him feel better, but he just "lost more feathers" during their relationship...
音ゲーでこの曲を知り、調べてみて、アニソンとかかな？って思ってたけどコメ欄がなんか怖かったから、ミルグラムについて調べてみた
めっちゃ鳥肌立った
コーディネート紹介のちっちゃい文字気になって全部読んでみたんだけど…
day6 の花屋のシーンの説明文が
「動きやすさを叶えるワークスタイルカジュアル
ピアスでさりげなく自分を見せて♡
シャツ、パンツ、エプロン、スニーカー、ピアス/すべて本人私物」
ってなってて…エプロン私物なんすか…バイトの制服じゃないんですか…
制服買わせてくるバイト先なのかな……だとすると若干ブラック企業の気配するからそうじゃないといいな(´・ω・｀)
彼の家に行ったみたいな所、鏡に誰も映ってないからストーカーだよね、、、？
あと、電話してるところは盗聴器かなって思った
その線いいかもしんない。
今回はストーカーか
愛が重すぎるとかの説が出てますけど、私はストーカーだと思ってます( ´•౪•`)
2:12あたり、鏡に彼映ってなくない…？
追記：カバーした方の曲も聴いてくれ…選曲が天才的に神(語彙力皆無)
彼氏さん映っていない時点で不法侵入しちゃってますねぇマヒルさん それか自分が設置した盗撮カメラだったりするとクッソ怖ぇ…
Mahiru is by far the most misunderstood character in all of Milgram, she's the only character where I think the general consensus about what is going on with her is completely wrong.
Stalker theory doesn't make any sense, one the video and lyrics make a point to show that they called each other frequently and for long periods of time. Additionally if the bird cage symbolism is to be believed why would the guy feel trapped right after she broke into his house the first time? Stalker theory relies on him barely knowing she even exists so why would he feel trapped? Also why would he kill himself at the end when he could have just called the police, I mean she was asleep at the time it's not like it wouldn't have worked to just call the police.
Also something a lot of people are missing is that Mahiru is trapped in the bird cage as well, Mahiru feels just as trapped as the guy, why would this be if she was stalking him?
Is it really the general consensus? I feel like the most accepted theory is that Mahiru and her partner were in an unhealthy relationship that drived the later to suicide.
@@azoe-droenjoyer That's super interesting! I see the stalker theory far more often so I wanted to say this but I'm glad to know that many people see that theory more commonly!
I see theories where it was a failed lovers’ suicide where the guy died and mahiru’s attempt was failed
might be reading too much into her character but my biggest theory is that she has some disorder, possibly bpd? i think the misunderstood "stalkerish" and "obsessive" behavior could be explained by her having an fp attachment. it could also explain her behaviors like wanting to constantly talk to her interest, the "breakup rituals" which could be explained by how people with bpd tend to split on people, why she is alright to be hurt by the love and such, and just generally a bunch of her behaviors shown in the video. it would also explain why she's trapped in the bird cage as well, considering having an fp attachment can "trap" not only the person who is at the recieving end of the attachment but the person with the attachment as well.
I think the stalker theory was moreso focused on the fact that they only met a really short while ago. i think it was based on the assumption that they were acquainted/friends but she was secretly stalking him, and he only thought she was just a clingy person? i see why some people believe it but tbh idk what to think about mahiru, we need more information.
第二審のあとにこの曲みると最後のあの顔は起きたら彼氏が首吊ってたとこ見ちゃったんだろうなぁと
何事においても「愛なんですよ」で通してる事から、最後の最後で好きだった人(彼氏？)から、「それは愛じゃない」って否定されて、最終的に別れ話を持ち出された事から、束縛の激しい彼女は殺したって事かな…………
そして最後に言うんだ。
「これが、愛なんですよ。」
可愛い曲に反してまさか怖い曲だとは…
マヒルちゃん今私が1番気になってるキャラクターだからすっごく楽しみっ…!!!
可愛らしいけどめちゃくちゃ愛が重くてたまにくる｢別れの儀式｣＝｢もう別れよう｣って敢えて切り出す試し行動になった彼が耐えきれなくなったのかなぁ
それはそれとしてMVのマヒルさんどれも可愛くて最高です
幸せの青い鳥＝マヒルさんの想い人の象徴だとするのなら、ストーカーやメンヘラに近い彼女の行為に耐えきれなくなって自殺したのか、それとも抱きしめる＝殺害の暗喩だとするとマヒルさんが想いを抑えきれなくなって彼を殺したとするのならめちゃくちゃ辛いな…こんな可愛い曲とMVで合わせてやることちゃうて…
最近、岡咲美保さんの声が可愛すぎて好きでハマってる
小さく書いてある文字をまとめてみました！！
考察の参考に💦
0:15明日は試験期間日が終わって久々にゆっくりできる休日。お風呂上がりに入念にストレッチ見様見真似だから、合ってるのかな、わからないけど、でもいつだって、準備をしていなきゃ。
0:25夢の中こそ可愛い自分でいたい！明日の自分のためにもフワモコ素材で甘やかしちゃお♡
0:30春の陽気にピッタリの穏やかなワンピースらピスタチオグリーンのナチュラル素材ならではのお上品さはピカイチ！足元はサンダルで穏やかにスタイルアップ♡
ベージュトーンでまとめた大人のカジュアル、髪の毛はすっきりアップでヘルシーな面をチラつかせて。
0:55明るいオレンジでフレッシュな気分に♡ハーフアップにゴールドをきらめかせて上品に。
0:55気になる男の子とパン屋さんでばったり。これってやっぱり運命？なんとなく彼と同じパンを買ってみたりしたけどらこんなに入らないかも･･･>
《個人的な感想》
青い羽根→Twitter
マヒルちゃんはストーカー気質？だと思ったので↓ストーカーの特徴
自分が中心じゃないと気が済まない
嫉妬から被害妄想に陥りがち
相手の情報をとにかく集める
異常な独占欲の持ち主
客観的視点を持てない
すぐ感情的になる
理想が高すぎる
Uhhh
2:03のロケ地デートって君の名は。だよね....すげぇ................
2:18～2:32
この辺りの描写で、マヒルちゃんと彼氏さんは同じ鳥籠の中にいると解釈した(マヒルちゃんが鳥籠の外を眺めた後にこちらを向いて微笑んでくれてるので)(かわいい)
2審公開後に2人は遭難したのでは、という考察が出てるけど、この鳥籠ってもしかして樹海の中なのでは…？2人で鳥籠(＝樹海)の中にいるという描写に見えてきた
エス君のカバー聴いてからだとマヒルちゃんの好き！って気持ちの強さとか感情の豊かさを一層感じる…
これ最後の日記？みたいなのからだけど、こういう系ってだいたい「彼が別の女の人を連れてくる」ってのか鉄板だよね〜.......
だからマヒルちゃんが家でご飯作って待ってて、帰ってきた彼は女の人を連れてたから女の人or男の人(付き合ってた)or両方を殺しちゃったのかな...と簡単な考察
@@user-pd9ti7vp7m 同じ意見の人いて嬉しいです！！！
私はそもそも付き合ってすらないのかな~とおもいました…難しいですよね笑
@@yuuluv 全部妄想の可能性はありますよね.......
この曲死ぬほどエスに歌ってほしいので100万再生マジでしてほしい
Mahiru: “I can’t sing”
*starts singing*
Me: 🧍♀️
YES GOD I HAD EXACTLY THE SAME REACTION LMAO
mahiru slayed
一応腕が写ってる場面もあるし写真が実在する写真なら撮っている人がいる訳だから恐らくストーカーとかではなく本当に付き合っている人はいたんだと思う
ただ愛が重かった、もしくは「恋に恋していた」マヒルに嫌気だったりと精神的な苦痛を感じて自殺した…って感じかな？まだわからん…
概要欄の言葉ほんとその通りすぎて禿げた
今回も心臓抉ってくる曲なんだね…うぁっ…
2:32 第2審から帰ってきて見たらあれを捕まえた所なのでは...と思ってしまって叫んだ
彼氏のためなんだよな...
マヒルちゃんのファッションセンス好き... 特にスカートが長くて可愛い
マヒルちゃんほんっっっっとうに可愛いですよ.......。本当に可愛い....。好き...。
愛や性の要素が多いフランス映画を
マヒルさんが好きだと知って少し
驚いた。やはり独特な女性だ。
私考察なんてできないので、一言。
マヒルちゃん可愛いなぁ……でも人殺しなのか…可愛い
「オーバーヒートで」の所の高音超綺麗✨
これストーカーの歌って前提で見たみたら凄く怖い。
心象風景ってのは事実が描写されるわけじゃないし
恋愛の先輩＝本当のもしくはマヒルと別れた後に付き合いだした今の彼女とかだったりしてね…
電話＝四六時中電話かけまくる
デート＝付き纏いをやめてくれっていう説得
偶然の出会い＝意図的な出会い
カゴ＝彼を閉じ込めるマヒルの檻。
"Two broken people will either fit together perfectly, or destroy each other beyond repair."
(This is a Two Part Post, I apologize for how long it is)
[CW: SUICIDE/TOXIC RELATIONSHIPS]
Mahiru's PV joins the ranks of 'obscure and vague' songs alongside Haruka and Yuno. Like the latter two, Mahiru's song is less easy to decipher than say, Mu and Fuuta but in a different way than Haruka. While Haruka's is so unhelpful to the point where it's debated who even died there, Mahiru has a clear victim: her boyfriend (or ex-boyfriend according to some, but for the sake of ease I'm just going to refer to him as her boyfriend). But beyond that, the details are obscure to the point it can be debated any specific way. While I think it's clear that her boyfriend killed himself because of the stress of Mahiru being an abuser, I personally interpreted this video as a classic case of co-dependency.
A lot of people see the cage metaphor for the obvious: a place where her boyfriend is trapped by the relationship. There's the blue feathers that flutter to the ground, which symbolize her boyfriend. The blue feathers likely come from the "bluebird of happiness" myth. The song itself reveals that Mahiru indeed views being in love as 'happiness'.
"I suck at pretending to smile
But see! I feel great because of you."
However a lot of people miss the fact that Mahiru is in the cage as well. Most people handwave it as her being trapped by the concept of love, but the fact both Mahiru and her boyfriend are in the cage reads to me as a case of co-dependency: a relationship that is unhealthy on both sides. They're both unable to get out, and they're both people who don't treat each other in a way a healthy relationship should. One of the biggest establishing shots comes at 2:16-2:26, where the animator spends a whole ten seconds highlighting Mahiru grabbing the bars of the birdcage and looking out with a nervous expression, like she wishes to leave. This is followed by her reassuring herself, then turning back towards the cage; back towards her perception of 'happiness' with a smile. It is easier for people in toxic relationships to return back to what they percieve as "safety", than head out towards the unknown. If Mahiru trapped her partner in the relationship by herself, she'd be on the outside of the birdcage looking in. Even if she is willingly in there, I believe Mahiru would have been holding onto the birdcage door, instead of just bars with no visible away of escape. She is equally as trapped in the relationship as her boyfriend.
Few people noted the reoccuring idea of "overheating together" and "if you don't hug me, even our hearts will start drifting apart". Yes, Mahiru is overbearing: which is the main theme of the song. But these lines in particular are concerning. I believe that Mahiru was in a relationship where she was taken advantage of by someone who wanted more of a 'friends with benefits' type of relationship, instead of a committed relationship. It seems strange that Mahiru who is more in love with the idea of love to mention specifically "if you don't hug me". Mahiru views the idea of physical affection to be the only reason why her boyfriend is staying with her. Alongside with the use of 'overheat', it leads me to believe that it's an innuendo. In addition, Mahiru and her boyfriend's first date being a bar date is a little forward considering they're both college mates but that may be a personal opinion.
While Mahiru wants emotional love, her boyfriend only wants physical love, eventually creating a heavy conflict between them. It is likely that her boyfriend only calls her whenever he wishes for physical affection, because Mahiru mentions that they BOTH feel lonely. Which implies that her boyfriend does call her because of 'loneliness', but when Mahiru tries to establish anything serious, or keep him longer than what her boyfriend would like...her boyfriend would get angry with her for trying to have a serious relationship.
"We can both feel lonely sometimes, but wonder if you’ll get angry soon?"
This is supported by the fact that we NEVER see the boyfriend visually, outside of the hand giving her coffee in 2:49. The song is just Mahiru, alongside feathers and visuals of her day to day life as she eventually dates her crush. Mahiru is a woman who is obsessed with love, with the idea of romance and marrying and commitment. Thus someone who is far less committal is extremely concerning to Mahiru, because she views her relationship as more than physical affection. Mahiru wants to marry. It's implied to be the first thing that Mahiru sings outside of the chorus: that Mahiru keeps bringing up the potential possibility that they could marry and have a more domestic life together. Her boyfriend doesn't like the idea of commitment (as Mahiru is mostly just a means to an end), so when the question fails Mahiru quickly passes it off as a joke out of nervousness.
"I guess we can just say that this feeling is happiness
I can’t stop feeling like there’s something missing
What do you think? I know it's not the type of question you want to be asked
I can’t help myself because I want to see your cute confused face, I’m sorry!"
The main theme of Mahiru's character is that "giving and taking are good things". As she mostly gives everything to her boyfriend, from cooking him meals and physical affection Mahiru wishes that he'd show her the same devotion. THIS IS UNHEALTHY. The idea that just becuase YOU give your significant other something means they're obligated to return something is not something I condone because it is a toxic relationship. However the entire relationship is founded on unhealthy behavior, as her significant other likely views her as just an object while Mahiru's obsessive outlook is stifling. (PART 1 OF 2)
(PART 2 OF 2)
It is likely that this tug of war between the two ideals lead to a negative feedback loop. When Mahiru tried to get her boyfriend to commit, he'd grow more distant. When her boyfriend group more distant, Mahiru would panic and try to ensure that he'd stay around by being more overbearing. When Mahiru was more overbearing, her boyfriend grew more distant. It is difficult to discern exactly what happened during this time period, other than Mahiru attempted to "prove" herself as worthy of being married by cooking her boyfriend all his favorite meals. If her boyfriend broke up with her there which lead to Mahiru becoming more obsessive and her boyfriend being more distant until he killed himself OR if her boyfriend killed himself there is unclear. But the last feather falling to the floor, while Mahiru stares in shock and horror is indicative that the murder was an accident. Mahiru clearly did not intend for her boyfriend to die.
Before I get into the last part, I would like to debunk some of the theories cropping up in circles that Mahiru poisoned her boyfriend or attempted to trigger an allergic reaction to force him to be momre dependant on her. With the information we have right now, it's unlikely to be the case. Mahiru is OVERBEARING, not intentionally harmful. She has an idealized lens on love, which makes it difficult to believe that Mahiru would poison someone who she views so highly. Beyond the theoreticals, if Mahiru was planning on poisoning her boyfriend in any capacity to 'save' him it's unlikely that she'd fall asleep. Plus, the death clearly was something she did not intend at all to cause considering how horrified she appears. Mahiru also views herself as a CAUSE of death, not a BRINGER of death. When she warns Es jokingly that "you might die if you get too close to me", it appears to come more from the fact that she views people who care about her as having a good chance of dying by being near her. Not BECAUSE of her own hand. Lastly, the main reason for this argument is the fact that the MV mentions a 'corpse reviver', which is a HANGOVER cure. It makes sense with the context of the diary entry next to it. Mahiru notes that her boyfriend is a lightweight compared to her, or that Mahiru drinks a lot. Her boyfriend got a hangover, hence the 'corpse reviver'.
The final part, which I'm attaching at the end because for the record: mental illness is not an excuse for actions. Many of the MILGRAM participants appear to have depression as a theme: Shidou being another apparent example. However Shidou's depression doesn't excuse the fact that he's an organ harvester (see Throw Down theory), and Mahiru's depression doesn't excuse the fact that she was an abuser. However a lot of people believe that relationships can cure mental illnesses in some way, and it's likely that because Mahiru's boyfriend made Mahiru feel happiness to some degree that Mahiru viewed her relationship as a 'cure' for her depression. There are many, many signs that Mahiru is as depressed as her boyfriend in question.
"Wanting to know everything about you, but wanting to die because it can’t come true."
"I suck at pretending to smile
But see! I feel great because of you."
Are the main examples. But the aformentioned drinking problem also indicates that Mahiru is depressed in a more subtle way than Shidou or Mu are. Mahiru notes that she might drink a lot more than the average person, and she doesn't get as tispy easily. Excessive drinking often goes hand in hand with depression, and combined with the fact that Mahiru notes that she sucks at pretending to smile, as well as the note that she wants to die if she can't know everything about her beloved leads to someone who appears to be prone to more depressive thoughts. In fact, Mahiru tells Es directly that if she ISN'T forgiven, she might as well kill herself. Becuase Mahiru can only view love as the means to happiness, there are two things which will occur if Mahiru is ultimately found guilty.
1. Mahiru will acknowledge she murdered the person she loved, which goes against everything Mahiru stands for.
2. Mahiru will have nothing to live for, because without love her life is completely hopeless.
I don't think that Mahiru saying that she would die if she's found guilty is intended to be manipulative. In fact, I believe Mahiru thoroughly believes that she has no reason to continue if the two points are confirmed.
As stated in the traditional quote, it is quite common that unstable people end up in relationships together because it seems to be an 'easy' option for both of them. And either it will work out somehow, or more often end in total disaster.
Mahiru and her boyfriend unluckily appear to be firmly in the latter category.
@@mysophobia2379 this is a really, really good analysis! I appreciate how you pointed out how aspects of mental illness can influence actions like this, however I believe she might be suffering from something closer to Borderline Personality Disorder. Im saying this as someone who has it, LOL. It appears as if her (ex)-boyfriend was most likely her FP (favorite person), which is someone that those with BPD rely on for the majority of their affection, attention, and their entire world/life revolves around them, basically. Those with BPD tend to experience extreme and "overwhelming/smothering" emotions, ESPECIALLY ones of love towards their FP which is often seen as grossly obsessive, even though they cannot be controlled. Another point for this, though small, is the scene where she appears to be on the phone fighting with her boyfriend before feeling upset and calling him again to most likely apologize. Though it's a small scene, it's reminiscent of splitting in BPD, where an individual switches between loving someone and hating them (I hate you, don't leave me). I see lots of patterns in her thoughts and behaviors that are often seen in patients with BPD, though of course hers are much more extreme than the average person. Sorry for rambling in the replies, I just wanted to tack on my own theory to your already very good one! :o)
I really like your theory and i also think that mahiru never literally killed anyone or by any means, and by chance i ever watched anime 'Given', and your second part remind me of it, its possible that mahiru boyfriend end up dead after drinking too much because of depression with mahiru being "Overbearing" like in that anime. Since if your theory about the boyfriend being only care about physical relationships make him seems like it will end up him killing mahiru instead of killing himself. However there are also some possibilities that the boyfriend is truly care about mahiru but isnt really ready with intention of marriage, maybe because they are still in college or still focusing on their career, and thats hurt mahiru and in exchange she is Overbearing, there are lyrics about 'ritual breakup' which i think the way that mahiru want to force her boyfriend indirectly to make him want to tie in marriage so they wouldnt break up
@@Nian91131 but they all are murderers, some of them may think they're innocent, but they've steal someone else's life, jackalope has said it
@@_mooonchild but can we really trust the murder definition that jackalope or milgram use? like futa or kazui for example, futa can be charged for spreading false rumour in social media and charged in prison for several years but not gonna charged for murder, while kazui is not gonna get any charged coz he doesnt really kill his wife ( while his wife doing suicide is part of his fault but i dont think he can be called murderer). The same can be said for mahiru, unless her twisted love is in form of torturing physically until the victim want to die, i dont think it can classified as murdering someone in general
【100万回再生おめでとう！】
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マヒル可愛い…
[公開前考察]
全くわからん。
[公開後考察]
いや～、驚いた。
どこで「彼」を殺したんだ？
殺したと思われるシーンなんて全く無かった。
最後マヒルが驚いて(？)いたが...どういうことだ？
物理的に殺したんじゃなくて精神的に殺したってことなのか？
ストーカーっぽかったし彼を精神的に殺せてしまう。
Day.16の後、つまりこの動画の最後に殺した(死んだ)って事か？
雑誌風な描かれ方だから関連の職業してたのかな？
0:24 0:27 0:34 0:53 0:59 1:06 1:12 1:36 1:43 1:50 1:56 2:02 2:08 2:43 2:49 2:56 3:03
に「アイテム名」と「本人私物」ってあるからかなりありえる。てかほぼ確定だろ。
あとマヒルすっごい乙女だな。
乙女の中の乙女。
ただ「恋愛」「愛」「運命」に縛られすぎてる。(こればかりは他人がとやかく何か出来る事ではないんだけど)
一途なのは良いことなんだろうけど一途すぎる...
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This is How To Be In Love With You
これはあなたに恋をする方法です
Day.2(0:27)
雑誌で見たコーヒースタンドに来てみた。
"行きつけ"ってなんだか憧れるよね。
東京に来たばかりだからか、
何もかもが新鮮で楽しいな。
あとは恋の予感さえあれば
言うこと無いんだけど。なんて。
Day.3(0:34)
大学のテラスでその人と目があった瞬間、運命を感じた。
この人と結ばれるために
生まれてきたのかもしれない。
なんて、考えすぎだろうか。
Day.4(0:53)
気になる男の子と、パン屋さんでばったり。
これってやっぱり運命？
なんとなく彼と同じパンを買ってみたりしてみたけど、
こんなに入らないかも...＞ ＜
カロリーのこと考えてなかったよー。
Day.5(0:59)
彼とたまに話すようになって、
趣味がランニングだって教えてくれた。
思わず「興味あるよ！」って食いついたら一緒に走りにいくことに。
運動苦手なのに......こんなに走ったことないよ。ヘトヘト。
Day.6(1:06)
ずっと興味があった
お花屋さんでアルバイトを始めた。
なんと気になるあの人が前を通りかかった。
たまに会えるのかな。
アルバイトがもっと楽しみになったかも。
それどころじゃない。毎日が楽しい。
Day.7(1:12)
カフェで好きな作家の新刊を読む休日。
大好きな恋愛小説が前よりもっともっと面白くなっている。
今はもう、この本に書かれてる
気持ちは「憧れ」じゃない。
実際に知ってるんだから。
Day.8(1:36)
彼のバイトが終わるまで待ってる。
夜はちょっとだけ寒いけれど、
全然苦じゃないよ。
どうしても、
伝えたいことがあるから。
Day.8(1:43)
深夜の公園で何時間でも話してた。
彼と話していると、一瞬に感じる。
結果はどうだったかって......？
内緒だよ。でも、顔見たらわかるでしょ？
Day.19(1:50)
初めてのバーでのデートにドキドキ。
彼の方がお酒弱いんだって初めて知った。
というか、私がお酒強いのかも？
酔いつぶれちゃうところもカワイイ！
Day.10(1:56)
定期的なメンテナンスは必要不可欠！
......彼は鈍感だから気づかないんだけど。
担当の美容師さんは、私の恋愛の先輩でもある。
恋愛の先輩には教わることがいっぱい......。
Day.11(2:02)
お互いが好きな映画のロケ地デート！
こういうの東京って感じがする！
趣味も合うなんて本当に運命なんじゃないかな。
彼と出会う前の私とは別人みたい......。
Day.12(2:08)
はじめて彼の家にお呼ばれ。
男の人の家に行くなんて初めてで、
朝から何もご飯が喉を通らないし......。
ほとんど何も覚えてないよ！
Day.13(2:43)
親戚の結婚式に参加。
やっぱり花嫁さんってキレイで憧れる！
昔から、自分の決めた人と結婚するのが夢。
もう夢じゃないのかもしれない。
Day.14(2:49)
彼と星空の下で野外シネマデート。
おしゃれ！
私の好きなフランス映画を
上映するっていうから、どうしてもって誘ったの。
やっぱり恋する女の子って一番カワイイ。
Day.15(2:56)
彼と一緒に初詣。
願い事は決まってる。
ずっと一緒にいられますように。
誰にも邪魔されませんように。
Day.16(3:03)
彼が帰って来る前に、ご飯を、作って待ってよう。
彼の好きなものは全部メモってあるし、料理もバッチリ修行済！
彼の驚く顔を見るのが楽しみだなぁ。
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厭
エン あきる いとう いや
「飽きて嫌になる」と言う意味。
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右目が隠れているので過去を見ないようにしてますね。
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映画のロケ地
「君の名は。」説。
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Voice Drama
『Love is mine』
愛は私のものです
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殺したシーンがない...
絞殺
螺旋階段の崩壊
ゲームが現実に
刺殺
解体して創造
じゃあマヒルは？
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【感謝】
皆様、ありがとうございます。
皆様のご意見のおかげで１人では思い浮かぶ事の無かった考えが浮かんだり違う視点で考える事が出来ました。
何かあればまだまだご意見等をお聞かせください。
また、次のカズイさんも現時点ではですが全く分からないので(ご縁があればその時も)何卒よろしくお願いします。
てかエスと同い年とかマジかよ...まぁもう少しで年上になれるがな！ﾊｯﾊｯﾊｯ...！
あれ？ミルグラムアプリのAbout MILGRAMのエスの情報...文字化けしてたよな...？
これから他の所も公開されてくって感じか...！
(現在公開されてるのは身長と年齢。
性別・血液型・誕生日は文字化け中)
アプリも是非！
ストーカーにしか見えん( '-' )
わからんw
@@Zawamina127 2秒前で草
全部夢落ちかと思って笑ってしまった(絶対違う)
なんで[公開後考察]書いてる間に返信が来るんだありがとう。
あと[公開前考察]では「全くわからん」としか書いてないのにグッド来るんだ？w
まぁ...結果的にも「全く分からない」が「分からない」になっただけなんだけどな。
スマホの打ちミスイライラするよね。時間が無駄にかかるし。
犯行声明文みたいになってから恐怖を覚えた。(Day.13から)
マヒルの愛が重すぎて自殺しちゃったんやろうなぁ……
個人的に今回のやつは許す許さないじゃなく、許すの場合マヒルの人格を受け入れる許さないの場合マヒルの人格を殺すかの選択ぽいんだよなぁ……
ドラマCD聴いたらほんとに許す許さないの選択じゃなくなるんで聞いてくれ……
「厭ってほどに縛ってみたり まだ不安になるのどうか赦してね 君のこと試しちゃう時もたまにある別れの儀式も愛なんですよ」って軽く言ってるけど彼氏側からしたら結構迷惑だよな…行動縛られたり、不安になって電話したりとかってメンヘラっぽいというかイメージするメンヘラの特徴みたいなのが結構マヒルさんにはある?
別れ話じゃなくて別れの儀式っていうのに凄くひっかかる。マヒルさんにとっては別れ話ですら恋人同士のイベントの一環なのかな
本当に離れたかったけどマヒルさんは別れてくれなかったから死ぬしかなかったのかな?
Translations (Captions of a fashion magazine article)
Day 1: "I'll be someone always loved! A 16-day story"
Tomorrow's finally a weekend I can relax after college exams.
I do a thorough stretch exercise after my bath.
I'm just copying what I see, so I wonder if I'm doing it right, I dunno.
But I've always gotta be ready.
Day 2: "On a morning when something's gonna happen, turning my switch on with a cafe latte"
I came to a coffee shop I saw in a magazine.
I've always wanted a "one-and-only shop".
Because I just came to Tokyo, everything's so fresh and fun.
I'd have nothing more to say if only there was love in the air. Sike.
Day 3: "Even while studying with a tone of quietness, I attract the start of something new"
The moment I locked eyes with him on the college terrace, I felt destiny.
Maybe I was born to be with him. Or am I thinking too much?
Day 4
I ran into that boy at the bakery. Is this destiny after all?
I kinda tried buying the same bread as him, but I can't eat this much... 😫
Wasn't thinking about calories.
Day 5
I sometimes chat with him now, and he told me his hobby was jogging.
When I exclaimed "Me too!" in spite of myself, we ended up jogging together.
But I suck at exercise... I've never run this much before. Phew.
Day 6
I started a part-time job at the flower shop I was always curious about.
Then oh my gosh, my crush walked past the shop. Will I get to see him sometimes?
My job just got more fun. Not only that, every day is fun.
Day 7
A weekend where I read my fave author's new book.
Love stories have always been my favorite, but they've gotten much, much more fun.
The feelings in this book are no longer just a "longing".
Day 8: "Operation Ambush in a Casual Outfit"
Waiting until his part-time job's over.
Nighttime's a bit cold, but not a pain at all.
Because there's something I really wanna tell him.
"Midnight date at a park. The result?"
We chatted for hours at a midnight park.
When I talk with him, time flies in a blink of an eye.
How it turned out?
Not gonna say. But can't you tell from my face?
Day 9
A date at a first-time bar's making my heart pound.
I learned for the first time that he’s the one who gets drunk more easily.
Or maybe I'm just good at holding alcohol?
Him getting totally drunk's also cute!
Day 10
A regular self-maintenance is essential!
Although he's the type of guy who never notices.
The hairdresser in charge of me's also my love guru.
So much to learn from this sempai...
Day 11
Dating at our favorite movie's shooting place!
This so feels like Tokyo!
Isn't it destiny that our hobbies also match?
I feel so different from the girl I was before I met him...
Day 12
He invited me over for the first time.
I've never been to a man's house before.
So nervous, I couldn't eat from the morning...
I hardly remember anything!
Day 13
Went to a relative's wedding.
Brides are so beautiful, I adore them!
My dream's always been to marry the one I choose.
It might be a dream no longer.
Day 14
An outdoor cinema date with him under the stars.
They were gonna play a French movie I liked, so I really asked him to come along.
Yup, a girl in love's the cutest of all.
Day 15
A New Year shrine visit with him.
I've already chosen what to pray for.
May we always be together.
May nobody get in our way.
Day 16
Before he comes home, I'll wait with dinner ready.
I've jotted down everything he likes, and I've perfectly practiced all the dishes!
Can't wait to see his surprised face.
Ty for the translations!
@@user-gy9vo8ql7e holy cow this changes a lot??
WAIT SO SHES NOT MANIPULATIVE???? OH MY GOD THIS CHANGES SO MUCH
Thank you for the translations! Since a lot of people here are ENG, a lot of things go uninterperated because we don’t understand Japanese! ^^
なんかストーカー感がすごい……Day10の美容師さんについて、「恋愛の先輩」って書いてあるけど、まひるさんが好きな人の元カノだったりするんですかね？？
う、うわぁそれ怖い！！！
@@i.t3822 怖いですよね…そこまで調べられてると思うとゾッとします…コンビニの待ち伏せとかもいつもよく行くコンビニを調べたりしたんですかね🤔
花屋のアルバイトも、もしかしたら彼がお花好きだからかそこの花屋によく行くからとか…？
@@user-po8he7zg2o 確かにその可能性もありますね！マヒルさんはどこまで彼のことを知ってるんでしょうか…
ああああああああぁぁぁ（何でいつもテストのすぐ後に来てくれるんすかっ！？）
そうなんですよ……頭おかしくなりそうです（三連休明けにテストなのに勉強してないですw）
Poor Mahiru. It's definitely not healthy. Her relationship. But she's not a criminal, she didn't deserve what Kotoko did
0:10 可愛い
IVE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS SONG FOR MONTHS I CANT BELIEVE IT’S SO CLOSE TO PREMIERING
Sameee aaaaaaaaaaaa
YOOOOO OCEAN JUICER ON INSTA
YOOOOOOOOOO OCEAN INST
Please fill me in on what this is? Is it like a series or something? I couldn't find anything I could understand searching but all I know is the music is banger
@@dracoviod look up milgram_en on twitter, they have a thread explaining it
かわいい
ほんとにかわいい
私なりの考察
合ってるか分からないけど
マヒルは2番目の女だったんじゃないかな？彼氏は他に彼女がいて、マヒルが浮気相手だったみたいな。
自撮りっぽくない写真だから他に人はいそう。(たぶん彼氏)
間奏の部分の羽は彼氏の本当の彼女で、最後のたった1枚の羽は彼氏。
間奏で羽に飛びついているのは "マヒルが彼女を殺している" んじゃないかと思う。
そこから出てくる写真は家の中のがあったし、彼女がいなくなったからマヒルが自由に出入りしていたんだと思う。
そして最後の羽は、彼氏がベランダから落ちた様子だと思う。彼女の時はマヒルが飛びついていたけれど、彼氏の時は勝手に落ちていってるから。証拠に最後、マヒルは驚いて驚愕した様な顔をしてるから。
ついでに言うと、 "たまにある別れの儀式" はマヒルが「彼女と別れないなら別れる」とかっていうと、彼氏が「彼女とは別れるから別れないで」みたいなやり取りの事だと思う。
彼氏が全然別れないから、殺しちゃったのかも……？
あと、気づいてる人が多いと思うけど部屋が檻みたいになってる。これは多分「マヒル=猫」「彼氏、彼女=鳥」という比喩だと思う。マヒルは手の動きとかどことなく猫っぽいし。
つまり、マヒル(猫)が彼女(鳥)を殺した(食べちゃった)。
そして、彼氏(もう1匹の鳥)は怖くなって死んだ。
みたいな感じだと思います。
マヒルは特に難しくて分からない事が多かったので、合っているかは全くわからないです。
でもこの考察があっているなら私はマヒルを赦さないです。
長文失礼しました。
ここから第二審のなんて想像できないってばよ！！！！！ww
マヒルさんの中ではこれだけキラキラ色鮮やかに見えてたんだな…恋は盲目+愛無しじゃ生きられないをここまで極端に体現されてしまうと、ただひたすらに悲しいな…
強いて言えば「たまにある別れの儀式」が不穏な程度なんよマジ…()
I'm actually not good at coming up with theories but I may have something... Not sure though.
Mahiru seems to be... not okay (perhaps it's depression or something along those lines): "I don't want to say 'I'm okay'", "I suck at pretending to smile", "This sickness is pretty bad", "but wanting to die because it can't come true". You get the memo.
She probably finds comfort in this love, and maybe one of the main reason is because her lover suffers too; "Let's have matching pain"...
However their relationship doesn't seem to be very healthy; Mahiru seems to be way TOO affectionate, wanting all of her lover's attention, her love is too much; "Giving you love to the point of pulling you down", "I'm calling you the middle of the night", "Forcing you to wake up".
Maybe she's aware this is not healthy but doesn't want it to change; "I was happy to get hurt", "I don't want to be 'okay'". Why exactly doesn't she wants to get better, I'm not sure, either her relationship is a unhealthy coping mechanism or maybe because she actually wants to control her lover, but really I'm not sure.
In the end, I think her lover commits suicide, hence her reaction. The feathers might represent her lover, them falling might be a representation of how Mahiru is (unconsciously, or not) hurting them.
The cage she is in might be Mahiru being trapped by her own (unhealthy) feelings or her relationship.
I don't remember whether it says on her character introduction if she's a model, but either way it's pretty fitting if my theory of "pretending" is right.
@@LIVIDBITE That could make sense, yeah! I was also about thinking borderline personality disorder, which would explain her possessiveness because she was scared of losing her s/o, along with the fact that she seems to have pretty intense feelings. However, I don't really wanna perpetuate the idea that people with BPD are somehow all abuse.
I was thinking the same thing too, maybe she was reliant on them, using them to treat her depression.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking mental health has effects on both Mahiru and the victim here. I think they're both unhealthy for one another, as she is needy and dependent, and, based off some translations, he may be abusing that dependency, but we'll see how much only with further songs...
監禁か軟禁した？
殺した相手を鳥として表現してるところ(羽や鳥籠)から、部屋に閉じ込めておいて、ある日気づいたらベランダから飛び降りてたとか？？
(追記)
みなさんが考察しているように、最初はストーカーから始まったんじゃ無いかと思います。雑誌風のMVは全部マヒルちゃんによって美化された光景。
アンダーカバーのマヒルちゃんはエスのクビに手を当てて首を絞めてるように見えるので定かではありません…
でも、エスの靴が脱げてて倒れ方的にも
やっぱり飛び降りの可能性もあるのかなと改めて思いました。
考察難しいけどいろんな可能性があって楽しい
このコメ見て分かったけど、最後何かに気づいてる感じするもんね､､､(多分違うw)
This hits different now :(
Poor mappi
The song: Talking about a toxic relationship with Mahiru being insanely controlling and manipulative
Me: ✨🕺💃🕺💃🕺💃🕺💃🕺💃✨
same hahahaha and the mv is so lively
@@daikon39 ikr
/e dance
Can someone please tell me what this song is all about? I just found this song and decided to watch it since the animation look lively, but i got confused when i read all these comments
@@evanescence_1115 The song is from Mahiru's perspective. To her, her relationship with her boyfriend is a sunshine and rainbows fairy tail dream come true. But in reality, which is in the hidden context, she's extremely possessive/clingy and pushy to him, constantly asking about marriage and taking their relationship further. This leads to the boyfriend committing suicide from the stress that Mahiru caused him.
これ髪透き通ってるから気にならないけど実際は片目隠してるってことだよね？
くそ可愛くね？？
3:00の初詣の「誰にも邪魔されませんように」の所で歌の「どうか許してね」が勢い強くなってて、もし浮気説があるなら意図してるのかもしれないと思った
OTOIRO、天才集団だな〜〜すごい
ラスサビ前の部分で、幸せを意味する青い羽が沢山飛んでいった後からの文字列がやたら歪んでるんだけど。
第二審見た後だと不穏でしかない｡
野外シネマデートとかご飯とか、本当にそれ映像どうりの綺麗なものなんですか！？
ミルグラムの曲全てに言えるんだけど事前にサビだけ聴きすぎててサビ以外の受け入れに時間かかる
やー！！メンヘラかヤンデレっぽいかわいい〜〜！😁
歌詞もMV中のセリフも全て
「君」に向けられた言葉なのに
気持ち悪いほど「君」の顔が
見えてこない。
3:22 〜
おそらくだけれど、彼氏さんはday.16のシーンの後に疲れて寝たマヒルの真後ろで首をくくったのかな
マヒルが起きた瞬間悲惨な姿が目に入らないようにしてるのが彼氏さんの最後の優しさだったのかなぁ、と思うと悲しいし切ない……