I would love to see a comparison of the new Thundercat, Sidewinder, and Mach Z. I wanna know how these new turboed, four stroke, lake racing beasts compare.
Interesting, we just finished something close to this, It'll be on here shortly. We didn't have access to the SRX or the Mach Z, but we did use a 900 Turbo R and comparable T Cat. We also used 100% GPS results, no speculation, just facts. It's a pretty cool story with a surprising outcome. I think you'll like it.
@@dirttraxtv wait I thought you were given snowmobiles by each manufacturer to test and compare their pros and cons? So why didn't you have access to the mach z and srx? Just asking. But if that is something confidential, that is fine too.
Thanks for the breakdown, and thanks for not saying the Rave is too stiff! I know it can be uncomfortable (for some), but I love it, and don’t want to BRP water this down like they did the XRS all because some people bought the wrong sled. There is a sled for every ass, and this one is on my Rave!
It really isn't stiff tho, That XCR rids harsh, id take the LYNX over the XCR if they put a xrs style seat on it and cut off the tops of the side panels. It was a really nice sled if they fixed those 2 areas
I think that was one of the best comparisons done. Very unbiased and very informative. Great job! Thanks for the honesty. Please forgive me as when I clicked on the video I was fully expecting that it was going to be the xcr being displayed and the favorite but thank you for keeping it unbiased and you can tell it was honest testing and sled feel that drove your conclusions. Keep ‘em coming!
Thanks for the comment Matthew, the reason we didnt just pick the Polaris as a "winner" is simple. Like weve ALWAYS said, our opinions have nothing to do with brand bias. We only care about what WORKS best. Over the past few years, the polaris's sleds have worked better, overall, than anything else on the snow. This season though, the Lynx works every bit as good as the Polaris... in the ways we think are important. So its getting big compliments from us. Which proves the point that its never been about brand. Its always been about what works.
Thank you for this comparison great job been waiting for something like this since it was a tough decision for me to go XCR or rave with my spring order. I ultimately chose the XCR 136 was $1000 cheaper with an extra year of warranty and the 7S display which is fantastic since I have that on my VR1 it’s hard to live without it now
My local deal said I would have a better chance of getting my snowcheck xcr quicker if I didn’t go with the 7s screen, said he’s still waiting on 9 sleds from last snowcheck being held up from lack of 7s gauges, I live about 2 hours from Polaris manufacturing plant,March 1st can’t come quick enough, I’ll be waiting for the doors to open that morning.
Spot on - these two brands make fantastic products that just have slightly different rider styles/preferences in mind and I don't think you could go wrong on either machine. My spouse works for Polaris and I'm a Doo fan, which puts me in a tough spot! Either way - can't go wrong...
7s isn't anything special, I like the Axys Size seat to tank size over the Maytrx, the Lynx shocks are 10Xs better then those crappy Walker Evans Velocity shocks. If the XCR Had Fox qs3r shocks on it then I'd hard pass on the Lynx, Polaris just can't figure out the ride quality vs the BRP thru the small bumps and the big woops
Very nice analysis. Both sleds appear to do different things. Both seem to appeal to those that want to run hard all day. The choice belongs to the rider. That is a good thing!
i went from a 2021 XCR (still have it for the wife) to a Rave RE and i will be totally honest, i wont be going back to the Polaris. Maybe it just fits my fat a** better, but i do like it better.
Nice vid of comparisons! Sometimes it isn't 'that' one machine is better than another, but just tuning capabilities for the rider. Sometimes, like between these two brands, you have to pick the sled type for your riding style, and then choose between aesthetics, because both are equally as tunable, with differences being so minute they don't make one better than the other. These comparisons show excellent engineering from two different companies, as both brands have adjustability for the snow conditions, with all riding types in mind.
Excellent review Luke!! I say one of the biggest factors for choosing between these machines is people being honest about what kind of rider they really are or what terrain they enjoy riding. I finally had to admit to myself I'm not into bump riding anymore and for sure would be XCR guy and probably even a XC with the Fox shocks would suit me fine.
Thank you for saying that. Ive been trying to get that point across for years. Its time to stop picking sleds with your ego and start picking them based on how you ACTUALLY ride. So many people buy an ultra hardcore sled because its cool, not because its what they really need... or even what will work best for them. Youve reached a higher state of enlightenment man... lol.
I was going to say the same. To me this is why multiple colour schemes and Wraps are made. The truth is; in Ontario we have speed limits and lots of congested trails where 95% of the riders couldn't overwhelm the base level shocks so they are better on a more comfortable sled properly set up sled.
That’s true and a great comment AK MT these sleds would not suit the riding my wife and I do. We’re the 600/650 trail riders. I own skidoo’s now but might pull the trigger on a new Polaris 650 next yr when the bugs are worked out.
You guys should to a long term review on each. A cost of operation and long-term ownership impression. I know my brother loved the 850 patriot until he was forced to use 3x as much oil as the liberty. I love the composition of the Polaris but it can get boring. Then there's the Polaris drive bearing issue that sits in the back of your mind. The wild side of the BPR is great to have on tap. Not going broke in oil is always nice. And not worring about a drive shaft digging through the tunnel is nice too. I think if I was to look at long-term ownership I would pick the BPR. More fun...less oil....and no worries of drive bearings failing. Your videos are great. Fantastic production and camera work. However, I feel they come up too vague on the ownership side of sledding. Safe riding....maybe in a couples weeks that is....Snow muskoka snow!
You gotta fair point, everybody loves the front suspension and steering of the polaris until the motor blows. which I can't think of many 850 etecs that have blown under 6000 miles (with the exception of the summit lineup.) But I haven't heard of any 850 patriots blowing either. Then again they are only a 3 year old motor, so not too many people have put mega miles on them yet.
@@duckdestroyer2412 my brother has about 7000km on his 850. It has had 2 factory recalls to have the ecm reflashed. This is to deal with the massive oil consumption. It's still not fixed. He loves the sled but the cost of operation really kills the buzz. He has also had to replace the driveshaft bearings. Again, under warranty....the 1st time. A long-term review I think would put the brp way out front.
We arent able to do long term testing. The way our business works is that we get sleds for one year to test and put miles on. We get asked for long term reviews all the time and, unfortunately, its just not possible. Not only that, but if I continued to ride a 2022 in 2023 and 2024... I wouldnt have good opinions on the 2023 and 2024 sleds.... With that said, there is no evidence to suggest that the Polaris 850 is any less reliable than the skidoo 850. They all have their problems. The failure rates of both, by percentage, are nearly identical. Ive seen the official numbers. The bearing issue with the Patriot was solved and handled extremely well by Polaris. Theres no reason to continue to worry about it.
@@pavmentsurfer13 that's a fair comment. But there are other riders in the area that can be a long-term resource for you. You must know more than a few riders that have bought new sleds 1..2...3 seasons ago. It would be a cool series to watch.
Ok. How about this for a comparison? Call it an upgrade comparison! I have a 15 SB Pro S 800 and I love it! If memory serves me right Luke, you had one when you came up to Timmins for an episode a few years ago. So I find my Pro S the best riding sled I’ve ever had and ridden and I’ve ridden a fair bunch of them. So my question is what, if any, would be a good upgrade from there? I did upgrade my track to a 1.75 and it really made it better off trail and still great on trail. Xc?, Assault? XCR? Ski-doo? Cat? I also love the ease of removing the panels to maintain my sled. So yeah! Sorry for the long scenario question. Thanks guys!
You want either a VR1 or an XCR. Both will outhandle and out ride your Pro S... which is not to say your Pro S isnt a great sled... it definitely still is. Still one of my favs actually. But if your looking to upgrade, the VR1 or XCR will both be an improvement over what youve got now.
Hey snowtrax, love the comparisons and love the videos. With the growing interest in 50/50 on/off trail I’d like to see a comparison with the lynx xterrain 850 and the Polaris assault. I currently ride an assault but am thinking about trying the new lynx. Have seen a few videos on both and really need in depth comparison. Possibly even all crossovers with the riot and the backcountry.
Hell Yeah, I rode it last yr and I would buy one over the Poo if they put a better seat on it and cut off the tops of the side panels, this way its comfortable for the fast corner to corner ripping
The Xcr is sprung for a 90 pound dog!! They should’ve at least given you a spring option on your order!!! I think Polaris made a mistake when they called it a ditch banger they meant hit a ditch and bang!!! I love that I got to spend an extra 300 bucks to turn it into a XCR the minute I get it!!!
I think the Rave can feel plusher than a lot of people seem to believe, but I agree that it is definitely for the most aggressive riders. Polaris has come a long way, and in my opinion when it comes to BRP vs Polaris, it’s all preference now.
Ive tested both setup fully soft and the Rave is not "plush" for more mellow riders. It doesnt ride "bad"... but I wouldnt describe it as plush unless you pounding. bumps hard. Then, it does actually feel plush.
@@pavmentsurfer13 on the other hand tho u told us last yr the VR1 was plush and great. Well the 3 other doo guys I ride with sold them cause how bad they rode last yr and went back to the xrs. The Lynx is a far Plusher ride then the XCR and the VR1 Polaris needs to Dump Walker Evans on the snow check sleds and offer FOX QS3r instead. Sadly the 22 XC Maytrx sleds with the Cheaper Fox shocks this season ride better then the XCR from all the feedback I've read
I prefer the Lynx because I like to ride up over moguls with skis dangling and all the way down to the bottom without any bottoming out hitting hard feeling. I rode XRS's in the past and found them a little soft in this area. I'd always find my shock rubbers completely collapsed on the front. This is where the Lynx really shines. When you land after a jump it feels plush and not so harsh like the XRS. I've never ridden the XCR but imagine it is very similar to the XRS in the way it handles high speed moguls. It's not quite got enough suspension to take all the hits like the Lynx. The Lynx is the perfect machine for fast trail and bashing rough trails. It's not lifting too much on corners that you feel the slightest hesitations. By the time the skis are lifted coming out of the corner you've hut the apex and are already pointing straight down the trail. It's the most fun. If you want to relax on the Lynx just sit back on the seat more. Very little input is needed to corner. Just shift your weight and if your going a little quicker then switch from one cheek to the other on the seat. The only time you have to hang off the thing is when going super aggressive and through tighter corners faster than you should be. Then your forward and hanging off the side more. It seems to shine in all areas. If I was a rider that drives in single file with a train of sleds most of the time I wouldn't own this sled. This is for aggressive driving most of the time and it shines.
Lynx is designed to run on the 600 engine which is unavailable in the US - 850 makes it snappy low down and uncomfortable when the trails get curvy. Also they are not top of the line shocks - If someone wanted those the lynx would come with Totaltek or Öhlins shocks as standard.
I would like to see a comparison of the" almost mountain" sleds .polaris SKS , freeride,, riotx ...Northern Ontario do we need the M8, RMK or Summit for hydro line riding?
What makes me chuckle, is those who can afford these sleds really should not be riding them because they tend to be the most timid on the trail not wanting to scratch it. Those who really belong on these sleds cannot afford them but are passing these sleds on a much older chassis. Kind of like those who buy a Ferrari and live directly in downtown NY or a Range Rover Discovery with a full out snorkel kit and adventure rack and the vehicle never leaves Brooklyn, NY. Just my experience living in New England for decades. Over all EXCELLENT REVIEW!!!! You hit the nail on the head. Thank you!
I feel like the 2023 Lynx is going to have the upgraded gauge and softer dampening from the factory. That should really narrow these two sleds down in the comfort areas. I dont think you can go wrong with either
I chose the rave because I think it is much more robust than the Polaris. Admittedly, it is based on old experience. I also chose Rave because it actually has a much more modern engine with Di technology vs Sdi technology. Do not doubt that the Polaris is a very capable machine but make the comparison with 5-6000km on the odometer. Is there any polaris left then at all
Atleast with the BRP when u start it it stays running, the Poo always stalls. Idk why, but they've been like that since Axys, I've tried multiple tunes on it to try and stop the stall and it just is what it is. Even the Maytrx stall, sad its 2022 and We have to deal with stalling and DET lights, thats where the BRP fuel injection puts the Poo to shame
The Rave RE is Weapon approved by far the funnest riding sled I’ve ever owned and eats whatever you toss infront of it. Can’t comment on the xcr but definitely love the tech Polaris is bringing to the table with 7s. Love the competition wars can the bar be set any higher ??
Ok so this was a sort of similar to the Rave vs Renegade video last season. The short version being that the Polaris is more relaxed and smooth while the Lynx is aggressive and a rough trail pounder
Suggestion create a course and then run the comparo sleds in it like you do with dirt Trax. Would love to see times through the whoops . Have you and AJ do the races and then swap sleds
Who cares. Pound the piss out of the trails and enjoy either of them. My XCR is exactly how Luke described it. I’m sure that Lynx would be awesome in the whoops!
Nice comparison. What are you suppose to say, the Platinum is better then the Denali or vis versa? At the end of the day if you are really on the horn get the 600R or the 600RS, trail converted of course.
very good comparison! i personally think that lynx is better but there might be advantage in that because i live in finland and trails are only huge moguls and i drive 100% throttle or none so there is no smooth riding =D
I hope next yr they Put a XRS style seat on the LYNX and chop off the tops of the side panels where your knees hit. Then it would be the best trail sled for New England trail riding, awesome in the woops, and u can get up on the tank to rail corners for the corner to corner riding. Id sell the Poos and buy 2 LYNX if they did that
@@kwmiked i dont understand why you need seat so close to tank if you are doing high speed corner to corner. Cause if you are going fast corner to corner you are not even sitting on the seat, you are just hanging barely on the side of the sled😅 otherwise you are not going fast enough
I think I speak for the majority the people that they’ll take whichever one you don’t want in light of the fact a half of us don’t even have one great comparison however Enjoy both
There are no more motor issues... that is not accurate information. Ive seen the actual numbers... the Patriot 850 had an issue the first year, it was dealt with and there havent been any issues since.
@@jasonbrushett3 Just like the Doo 850 eating belts every 500 miles the first year, which was also addressed by Doo. Both motors are now highly reliable. They do have other issues though. Doo Starters are becoming heavily problematic and the Polaris had some lingering bearing issues on EARLY 2022's but were addressed during 2022 production. They also had the coolant hose getting sliced by installer error. All of these problems were during assembly as both manufacturing facilities were facing many challenges throughout the last year. I suspect much better results from throughout the industry for 2023. 2021-2022 has been rough EVERYWHERE in the world of manufacturing.
Not at all. They had a problem in the first year that was dealt with quickly. Since, theres been no issues. Both 850s have nearly identical failure rates by percentage. Ive seen the numbers. Skidoo guys are more outspoken in bashing polaris sleds online. Polaris guys dont spend as much time on that it seems.
you really notice how wide the doo is when you spend time on a matryx. Matryx ergos are best in business, gauge is best. Doos motors better. End of the day while I am riding an XRS i would be on a Matryx had i found one for the right price
My experience is that the 850 Polaris has more power or pull than the Lynx 850. Because we lineup the two of them together. And the Polaris pull better than Lynx. My buddy has Lynx and I have VR1 850. Both great sleds, and in the trails are fast and comfortable. It’s all personal choice. 👍😊 For fuel consumption or mileage, the Lynx is a little better, but the difference between them is small. Polaris may use $7-10 dollars more fuel, when riding hard and fast 😊👍🚀
Why are you even here if youve got such negative opinions of our show? I gave you all the information you need to understand WHY I love both equally. They are DIFFERENT... and in different scenarios, id pick one over the other. Its not deception or a lie... it actually makes perfect sense.
Another great video I am not really brand loyal I usually purchase what seems to be the best sled for me at the time of production. However someone told me that you guys had an article recently in SnowTrax that said you thought the rave was better? They said that your winner was the rave then the VR one and then the XCR. Is that true or are they just talking s***t? I would love to see the article if it’s true.
If Lynx put a XRS seat on it so u can get up on the tank for those high speed turns and Cut the tops of side panels down, the LYNX would be a way better trail sled then the XCR. Hands Down. Until Polaris gets rid of walker Evans on the snow check sleds, the XRS and the LYNX have a way better ride then the ProCC, those Velocity shocks are crap right from the start. Atleast BRP gives u a good set up in valving from the get go
It’s my understanding that the lynx was actually built and designed for ungroomed trails. If the trails are groomed from what I have heard from people that have ridden the sleds is that the XCR is going to corner and handle better than the lynx. Just like you said for groomed trails the lynx is too stiff. The XCR is not too stiff when it is dialed all the way down.
In Finland most trail's are really, really rough. Bumbs an moguls all day. Main trails are of course groomed. Lynx is made to handle those rough trails, for an agressive riders. It's essentially an rally car, while rest are sport cars.
It’s a never ending conversation. Ski Doo had the Rev and started it all. But my 06 and 2010 Polaris sleds had a taller seat and bars to both my friend’s 07 and 08 Renegades. One guy had to put a 6 inch riser block on to Mach my sled that I put on about a 2 inch block. Then you have Gen 4 , Axyss, Matrix. It’s a never ending battle.
I couldnt disagree more. The G4 feels COMPLETELY Different to sit on and to ride than the polaris. There are literally NO similarities in how they feel. The Lynx on the otherhand, feels quite similar.
I think it should be mentioned that the Polaris 850 has a proven reputation for breaking I think it was 2019 model year had 100 percent failure rate and the real world gas mileage of a Polaris 850 is 40 percent worse than a brp 850
Dude..your job sucks…must be nice to have to flip a coin to see what sled you ride..lol..can you send me a job application..love the video..just wondering how the price compares to these two sleds..I thought the Lynx was a lot more $$$$.. thanks.
The Lynx and the XCR are both high-end, rough trail 137's with 850 engines, which is why we compared the two. Would be interesting to compare the Assault against the Lynx too. What criteria would you suggest a Lynx/Assault comparo should focus on?
@@snowtrax suspension/chassis/shocks/engine...almost identical on the Assault/Lynx....Assault uncoupled in rear/stiffer shocks all around like the Lynx...and yes it's different track lengths but the Assault has tipped rails in the rear. So in essence almost identical to track on the ground with the Lynx. Only real difference is where the rear shock is mounted...Lynx is more uncoupled but Assault has tipped rails. Both mogul/wheelie monsters!!!
@@snowtrax I kind of agree (i have an XCR, Indy and an Assault..all 2020 and newer) - putting the 'category' of them being high end rough trail sled etc, is good BUT the Lynx and Assault have a more similar trail platform. Suspension and trail reactions (playful and front end popping up at any given time), so it would be interesting to see the comparo. I know the Assault is considered more of a crossover - which oddly I find it better than my others on trail for various reasons. To ME, it sounds like a direct comparison to the Assault in your description of the Lynx 'on trail' characteristics. So that's a WIN for me! :) Also, I appreciate the content and work that goes into all your videos - great job!
As a proud owner of what I believe to be the best and only snowmobile I've ever ridden , an 87 Stratos, I can whole heartedly agree based on the amount of UA-cam I have watched. I have similar opinions about Cessna airplanes, Versace handbags and Russian liquid fuel torpedoes bast on similarly extensive research
@@seanjacobs7021 Stratos was awesome..... If you wanna be serious though cmon, everybody had failures but time and time again it has been Bombardier driving sledding forward. There is no shame in being behind a ski doo plus poolaris makes it too easy to poke fun at 😆
If you have a problem with every video they produce why do you keep watching? Are you a keyboard rider or a sled rider? It was fair and unbiased! If you don’t think so you may want to rewatch!
You’ve got to be kidding!? They carefully laid out the pros and cons to each sled. The Lynx has been marketed as a big bump sled. The XCR has a history of being too soft for big bumps.
Ya gotta buy what fits and feels most comfortable. A Doo might not fit for you, but might for someone else. Best advice is to actually sit on the sled or try out a buddy's sled before laying down your cash.
Both cool, but a bit of a cop out not picking a winner. Lol. I like it when you’re not afraid to take your balls out of your wife’s purse and pick the top dog.
Buddy, go back and watch it again. Sometimes there isnt a WINNER... And picking a "winner" is far less important that explaining what the sleds do well and where they lack. If one was better in every way than the other, I would have picked a winner. But as I said in the story, they are so similar in so many ways that their slight differences dont make one better than the other. They just make one better suited to a specific style of riding than the other, and vice versa. Its not a cop out, its giving our viewers the best and most honest info to help them make the best buying decision possible.
@@pavmentsurfer13 was mostly just trying to “get a rise out of you”. Success! Lol. I love your guy’s content overall, and appreciate your honesty and response. Keep up the good work!
I would love to see a comparison of the new Thundercat, Sidewinder, and Mach Z. I wanna know how these new turboed, four stroke, lake racing beasts compare.
Interesting, we just finished something close to this, It'll be on here shortly. We didn't have access to the SRX or the Mach Z, but we did use a 900 Turbo R and comparable T Cat. We also used 100% GPS results, no speculation, just facts. It's a pretty cool story with a surprising outcome. I think you'll like it.
@@dirttraxtv wait I thought you were given snowmobiles by each manufacturer to test and compare their pros and cons? So why didn't you have access to the mach z and srx? Just asking. But if that is something confidential, that is fine too.
@@duckdestroyer2412 skidoo didnt give anyone a mach this season. Just the end of last seasom
@@jakeradcliff7691 so skidoo took it back? Why? It was a 2022 model year sled, it should have been used in 2022, same for the Sidewinder.
@@dirttraxtv when is this coming?
Thanks for the breakdown, and thanks for not saying the Rave is too stiff! I know it can be uncomfortable (for some), but I love it, and don’t want to BRP water this down like they did the XRS all because some people bought the wrong sled. There is a sled for every ass, and this one is on my Rave!
Remember when an XRS was set up to jump houses? Now you're lucky if you get rebound adjustment, let alone high and low speed. I couldn't agree more
It really isn't stiff tho, That XCR rids harsh, id take the LYNX over the XCR if they put a xrs style seat on it and cut off the tops of the side panels. It was a really nice sled if they fixed those 2 areas
I think that was one of the best comparisons done. Very unbiased and very informative. Great job! Thanks for the honesty. Please forgive me as when I clicked on the video I was fully expecting that it was going to be the xcr being displayed and the favorite but thank you for keeping it unbiased and you can tell it was honest testing and sled feel that drove your conclusions. Keep ‘em coming!
Thanks Matthew.
Thanks for the comment Matthew, the reason we didnt just pick the Polaris as a "winner" is simple. Like weve ALWAYS said, our opinions have nothing to do with brand bias. We only care about what WORKS best. Over the past few years, the polaris's sleds have worked better, overall, than anything else on the snow. This season though, the Lynx works every bit as good as the Polaris... in the ways we think are important. So its getting big compliments from us. Which proves the point that its never been about brand. Its always been about what works.
@@pavmentsurfer13
Luke,
Well said and thanks for your response!
Solid segment boys! Has me considering a Lynx for my next ride
Thank you!
Thank you for this comparison great job been waiting for something like this since it was a tough decision for me to go XCR or rave with my spring order. I ultimately chose the XCR 136 was $1000 cheaper with an extra year of warranty and the 7S display which is fantastic since I have that on my VR1 it’s hard to live without it now
My local deal said I would have a better chance of getting my snowcheck xcr quicker if I didn’t go with the 7s screen, said he’s still waiting on 9 sleds from last snowcheck being held up from lack of 7s gauges, I live about 2 hours from Polaris manufacturing plant,March 1st can’t come quick enough, I’ll be waiting for the doors to open that morning.
Spot on - these two brands make fantastic products that just have slightly different rider styles/preferences in mind and I don't think you could go wrong on either machine. My spouse works for Polaris and I'm a Doo fan, which puts me in a tough spot! Either way - can't go wrong...
I teat rode the lynx and definitely worth it and better than polaris that being said i went with the mach z but bleed doo 4 life
7S display, Patriot motor, narrower tunnel....I'm grabbin the XCR
7s isn't anything special, I like the Axys Size seat to tank size over the Maytrx, the Lynx shocks are 10Xs better then those crappy Walker Evans Velocity shocks. If the XCR Had Fox qs3r shocks on it then I'd hard pass on the Lynx, Polaris just can't figure out the ride quality vs the BRP thru the small bumps and the big woops
PPS3, 46mm kashima, LYNX, big bumb. You dont need more.
I haven't even watched the video yet but wanted to say thank you! This should be awesome!
Very nice analysis. Both sleds appear to do different things. Both seem to appeal to those that want to run hard all day. The choice belongs to the rider. That is a good thing!
Having rode both I would say you nailed that 100 like you reviews keep up the outstanding work
Thank you!!
i went from a 2021 XCR (still have it for the wife) to a Rave RE and i will be totally honest, i wont be going back to the Polaris. Maybe it just fits my fat a** better, but i do like it better.
Great comparison, this is what most of us want to see. Can't wait to see more episodes like this.
Nice vid of comparisons!
Sometimes it isn't 'that' one machine is better than another, but just tuning capabilities for the rider. Sometimes, like between these two brands, you have to pick the sled type for your riding style, and then choose between aesthetics, because both are equally as tunable, with differences being so minute they don't make one better than the other. These comparisons show excellent engineering from two different companies, as both brands have adjustability for the snow conditions, with all riding types in mind.
Excellent review Luke!! I say one of the biggest factors for choosing between these machines is people being honest about what kind of rider they really are or what terrain they enjoy riding. I finally had to admit to myself I'm not into bump riding anymore and for sure would be XCR guy and probably even a XC with the Fox shocks would suit me fine.
Thank you for saying that. Ive been trying to get that point across for years. Its time to stop picking sleds with your ego and start picking them based on how you ACTUALLY ride. So many people buy an ultra hardcore sled because its cool, not because its what they really need... or even what will work best for them. Youve reached a higher state of enlightenment man... lol.
I was going to say the same. To me this is why multiple colour schemes and Wraps are made. The truth is; in Ontario we have speed limits and lots of congested trails where 95% of the riders couldn't overwhelm the base level shocks so they are better on a more comfortable sled properly set up sled.
That’s true and a great comment AK MT these sleds would not suit the riding my wife and I do. We’re the 600/650 trail riders. I own skidoo’s now but might pull the trigger on a new Polaris 650 next yr when the bugs are worked out.
You guys should to a long term review on each. A cost of operation and long-term ownership impression. I know my brother loved the 850 patriot until he was forced to use 3x as much oil as the liberty. I love the composition of the Polaris but it can get boring. Then there's the Polaris drive bearing issue that sits in the back of your mind.
The wild side of the BPR is great to have on tap. Not going broke in oil is always nice. And not worring about a drive shaft digging through the tunnel is nice too.
I think if I was to look at long-term ownership I would pick the BPR. More fun...less oil....and no worries of drive bearings failing.
Your videos are great. Fantastic production and camera work. However, I feel they come up too vague on the ownership side of sledding.
Safe riding....maybe in a couples weeks that is....Snow muskoka snow!
My worry with the BRP would be riding a Ostrich with Ski's...
You gotta fair point, everybody loves the front suspension and steering of the polaris until the motor blows. which I can't think of many 850 etecs that have blown under 6000 miles (with the exception of the summit lineup.) But I haven't heard of any 850 patriots blowing either. Then again they are only a 3 year old motor, so not too many people have put mega miles on them yet.
@@duckdestroyer2412 my brother has about 7000km on his 850. It has had 2 factory recalls to have the ecm reflashed. This is to deal with the massive oil consumption. It's still not fixed. He loves the sled but the cost of operation really kills the buzz. He has also had to replace the driveshaft bearings. Again, under warranty....the 1st time. A long-term review I think would put the brp way out front.
We arent able to do long term testing. The way our business works is that we get sleds for one year to test and put miles on. We get asked for long term reviews all the time and, unfortunately, its just not possible. Not only that, but if I continued to ride a 2022 in 2023 and 2024... I wouldnt have good opinions on the 2023 and 2024 sleds....
With that said, there is no evidence to suggest that the Polaris 850 is any less reliable than the skidoo 850. They all have their problems. The failure rates of both, by percentage, are nearly identical. Ive seen the official numbers. The bearing issue with the Patriot was solved and handled extremely well by Polaris. Theres no reason to continue to worry about it.
@@pavmentsurfer13 that's a fair comment. But there are other riders in the area that can be a long-term resource for you. You must know more than a few riders that have bought new sleds 1..2...3 seasons ago. It would be a cool series to watch.
Ok. How about this for a comparison? Call it an upgrade comparison! I have a 15 SB Pro S 800 and I love it! If memory serves me right Luke, you had one when you came up to Timmins for an episode a few years ago. So I find my Pro S the best riding sled I’ve ever had and ridden and I’ve ridden a fair bunch of them. So my question is what, if any, would be a good upgrade from there? I did upgrade my track to a 1.75 and it really made it better off trail and still great on trail. Xc?, Assault? XCR? Ski-doo? Cat? I also love the ease of removing the panels to maintain my sled. So yeah! Sorry for the long scenario question. Thanks guys!
You want either a VR1 or an XCR. Both will outhandle and out ride your Pro S... which is not to say your Pro S isnt a great sled... it definitely still is. Still one of my favs actually. But if your looking to upgrade, the VR1 or XCR will both be an improvement over what youve got now.
As always very well done!
Hey snowtrax, love the comparisons and love the videos. With the growing interest in 50/50 on/off trail I’d like to see a comparison with the lynx xterrain 850 and the Polaris assault. I currently ride an assault but am thinking about trying the new lynx. Have seen a few videos on both and really need in depth comparison. Possibly even all crossovers with the riot and the backcountry.
Picked up a 23 Rave RE. Can't wait.
I’m glad to hear that the Lynx lives up to the advertising! XCR’s are always too soft for big bumps.
Change the Springs....simple cure
@@joshpitts7256 uh huh. And then when that isn’t enough it’s revalving, different pistons, lots of time, money and effort goes into figuring that out.
Hell Yeah, I rode it last yr and I would buy one over the Poo if they put a better seat on it and cut off the tops of the side panels, this way its comfortable for the fast corner to corner ripping
The Xcr is sprung for a 90 pound dog!! They should’ve at least given you a spring option on your order!!! I think Polaris made a mistake when they called it a ditch banger they meant hit a ditch and bang!!! I love that I got to spend an extra 300 bucks to turn it into a XCR the minute I get it!!!
@@FATBIKEMIKE two of my buddies bought XCR 650’s this season and had to fully respring and revalve all the way around to make them stiffer.
I think the Rave can feel plusher than a lot of people seem to believe, but I agree that it is definitely for the most aggressive riders. Polaris has come a long way, and in my opinion when it comes to BRP vs Polaris, it’s all preference now.
Ive tested both setup fully soft and the Rave is not "plush" for more mellow riders. It doesnt ride "bad"... but I wouldnt describe it as plush unless you pounding. bumps hard. Then, it does actually feel plush.
@@pavmentsurfer13 that’s fair
@@pavmentsurfer13 on the other hand tho u told us last yr the VR1 was plush and great. Well the 3 other doo guys I ride with sold them cause how bad they rode last yr and went back to the xrs. The Lynx is a far Plusher ride then the XCR and the VR1 Polaris needs to Dump Walker Evans on the snow check sleds and offer FOX QS3r instead. Sadly the 22 XC Maytrx sleds with the Cheaper Fox shocks this season ride better then the XCR from all the feedback I've read
I prefer the Lynx because I like to ride up over moguls with skis dangling and all the way down to the bottom without any bottoming out hitting hard feeling. I rode XRS's in the past and found them a little soft in this area. I'd always find my shock rubbers completely collapsed on the front. This is where the Lynx really shines. When you land after a jump it feels plush and not so harsh like the XRS. I've never ridden the XCR but imagine it is very similar to the XRS in the way it handles high speed moguls. It's not quite got enough suspension to take all the hits like the Lynx.
The Lynx is the perfect machine for fast trail and bashing rough trails. It's not lifting too much on corners that you feel the slightest hesitations. By the time the skis are lifted coming out of the corner you've hut the apex and are already pointing straight down the trail. It's the most fun.
If you want to relax on the Lynx just sit back on the seat more. Very little input is needed to corner. Just shift your weight and if your going a little quicker then switch from one cheek to the other on the seat. The only time you have to hang off the thing is when going super aggressive and through tighter corners faster than you should be. Then your forward and hanging off the side more. It seems to shine in all areas. If I was a rider that drives in single file with a train of sleds most of the time I wouldn't own this sled. This is for aggressive driving most of the time and it shines.
Lynx is designed to run on the 600 engine which is unavailable in the US - 850 makes it snappy low down and uncomfortable when the trails get curvy.
Also they are not top of the line shocks - If someone wanted those the lynx would come with Totaltek or Öhlins shocks as standard.
I would like to see a comparison of the" almost mountain" sleds .polaris SKS , freeride,, riotx ...Northern Ontario do we need the M8, RMK or Summit for hydro line riding?
What makes me chuckle, is those who can afford these sleds really should not be riding them because they tend to be the most timid on the trail not wanting to scratch it. Those who really belong on these sleds cannot afford them but are passing these sleds on a much older chassis. Kind of like those who buy a Ferrari and live directly in downtown NY or a Range Rover Discovery with a full out snorkel kit and adventure rack and the vehicle never leaves Brooklyn, NY. Just my experience living in New England for decades.
Over all EXCELLENT REVIEW!!!! You hit the nail on the head. Thank you!
What an incredibly narrow sighted generalization haha. Sounds like sour grapes
I feel like the 2023 Lynx is going to have the upgraded gauge and softer dampening from the factory. That should really narrow these two sleds down in the comfort areas.
I dont think you can go wrong with either
I chose the rave because I think it is much more robust than the Polaris. Admittedly, it is based on old experience. I also chose Rave because it actually has a much more modern engine with Di technology vs Sdi technology. Do not doubt that the Polaris is a very capable machine but make the comparison with 5-6000km on the odometer. Is there any polaris left then at all
Atleast with the BRP when u start it it stays running, the Poo always stalls. Idk why, but they've been like that since Axys, I've tried multiple tunes on it to try and stop the stall and it just is what it is. Even the Maytrx stall, sad its 2022 and We have to deal with stalling and DET lights, thats where the BRP fuel injection puts the Poo to shame
Both awesome sleds I'm sure.... never been on either lol I really want to try a lynx to feel the difference from my sled.
Take that lynx all day.
I’d love to ride a Lynx. It looks amazing.
Hop on a Ostrich and pin it's ears back it'll look just like it and feel bout the same🤣
The Rave RE is Weapon approved by far the funnest riding sled I’ve ever owned and eats whatever you toss infront of it. Can’t comment on the xcr but definitely love the tech Polaris is bringing to the table with 7s. Love the competition wars can the bar be set any higher ??
Great comment man. I agree. Lets hope that bar continues to rise every year.
Everyone wants that Lynx
Love its color schemes...🎯💪
The XCR looks 1000000 times better than the BRP!!
Ok so this was a sort of similar to the Rave vs Renegade video last season. The short version being that the Polaris is more relaxed and smooth while the Lynx is aggressive and a rough trail pounder
i think that is going to be every comparisons solution xd
I’d prob go Pol. Distribution & service may be an issue with Lynx. Then again; maybe not. Are all Ski-Doo dealers selling & servicing Lynx?
they share a TON of parts with gen4 skidoos, I don't think service will be an issue whatsoever
Suggestion create a course and then run the comparo sleds in it like you do with dirt Trax. Would love to see times through the whoops .
Have you and AJ do the races and then swap sleds
Great comparison! Witch one wins in a drag race?
Who cares. Pound the piss out of the trails and enjoy either of them. My XCR is exactly how Luke described it. I’m sure that Lynx would be awesome in the whoops!
@@erniethompson33 just curious on witch one would win so ya i care.
Theyre nearly identical. The Polaris may be, on average, just a tiny bit faster... but its not even worth talking about.
@@pavmentsurfer13 thx
Nice comparison. What are you suppose to say, the Platinum is better then the Denali or vis versa? At the end of the day if you are really on the horn get the 600R or the 600RS, trail converted of course.
very good comparison! i personally think that lynx is better but there might be advantage in that because i live in finland and trails are only huge moguls and i drive 100% throttle or none so there is no smooth riding =D
Awesome and thank you.
And for you, the Lynx IS better.
@@pavmentsurfer13 yes that is true =D
I hope next yr they Put a XRS style seat on the LYNX and chop off the tops of the side panels where your knees hit. Then it would be the best trail sled for New England trail riding, awesome in the woops, and u can get up on the tank to rail corners for the corner to corner riding. Id sell the Poos and buy 2 LYNX if they did that
@@kwmiked i dont understand why you need seat so close to tank if you are doing high speed corner to corner. Cause if you are going fast corner to corner you are not even sitting on the seat, you are just hanging barely on the side of the sled😅 otherwise you are not going fast enough
I think I speak for the majority the people that they’ll take whichever one you don’t want in light of the fact a half of us don’t even have one great comparison however Enjoy both
Polaris makes nice sleds. But to many motor issues with the 850. I would go with the 650.
Are they still having issues with the 850 Patriot?
There are no more motor issues... that is not accurate information. Ive seen the actual numbers... the Patriot 850 had an issue the first year, it was dealt with and there havent been any issues since.
@@jasonbrushett3 Just like the Doo 850 eating belts every 500 miles the first year, which was also addressed by Doo. Both motors are now highly reliable.
They do have other issues though. Doo Starters are becoming heavily problematic and the Polaris had some lingering bearing issues on EARLY 2022's but were addressed during 2022 production. They also had the coolant hose getting sliced by installer error. All of these problems were during assembly as both manufacturing facilities were facing many challenges throughout the last year. I suspect much better results from throughout the industry for 2023.
2021-2022 has been rough EVERYWHERE in the world of manufacturing.
Good review ,
Would love to hear about reliability as well. If I remember right the polaris is a bit more unreliable with that 850.
Not at all. They had a problem in the first year that was dealt with quickly. Since, theres been no issues. Both 850s have nearly identical failure rates by percentage. Ive seen the numbers. Skidoo guys are more outspoken in bashing polaris sleds online. Polaris guys dont spend as much time on that it seems.
Id ride Polaris.... Tried a switchback 750 long ago and sold over any product they get out ...🎯🙏😇☝❤
For me it would be the xcr by 2 sled lengths .tks
you really notice how wide the doo is when you spend time on a matryx. Matryx ergos are best in business, gauge is best. Doos motors better. End of the day while I am riding an XRS i would be on a Matryx had i found one for the right price
My experience is that the 850 Polaris has more power or pull than the Lynx 850. Because we lineup the two of them together. And the Polaris pull better than Lynx. My buddy has Lynx and I have VR1 850. Both great sleds, and in the trails are fast and comfortable. It’s all personal choice. 👍😊
For fuel consumption or mileage, the Lynx is a little better, but the difference between them is small. Polaris may use $7-10 dollars more fuel, when riding hard and fast 😊👍🚀
"I love them both equally" ... Spoken like a true politician. Guess we know who SnowTrax's "constituents" are.
Why are you even here if youve got such negative opinions of our show? I gave you all the information you need to understand WHY I love both equally. They are DIFFERENT... and in different scenarios, id pick one over the other. Its not deception or a lie... it actually makes perfect sense.
Another great video I am not really brand loyal I usually purchase what seems to be the best sled for me at the time of production. However someone told me that you guys had an article recently in SnowTrax that said you thought the rave was better? They said that your winner was the rave then the VR one and then the XCR. Is that true or are they just talking s***t? I would love to see the article if it’s true.
Not sure which article that was...
@@snowtrax Yeah that’s what I figured ha ha. Keep up the great work guys
I sure didnt write that. I think that "someone" was making up stories.
If Lynx put a XRS seat on it so u can get up on the tank for those high speed turns and Cut the tops of side panels down, the LYNX would be a way better trail sled then the XCR. Hands Down. Until Polaris gets rid of walker Evans on the snow check sleds, the XRS and the LYNX have a way better ride then the ProCC, those Velocity shocks are crap right from the start. Atleast BRP gives u a good set up in valving from the get go
That lynx is a butterface
lynx is for real men
Rave is a much cooler name! 😎
I would rather own the the Links it's like a snow cross machine
Can you please compare to a Pro X ...please
the Rave... vs ProX
They dont make a pro x anymore
It’s my understanding that the lynx was actually built and designed for ungroomed trails. If the trails are groomed from what I have heard from people that have ridden the sleds is that the XCR is going to corner and handle better than the lynx. Just like you said for groomed trails the lynx is too stiff. The XCR is not too stiff when it is dialed all the way down.
we have all actually found the lynx to corner excellent on smooth trails. I think its the best handling BRP sled on the snow right now.
@@pavmentsurfer13 even though it’s an uncoupled sled!?? A coupled sled is always going to perform better on a groomed trail…
In Finland most trail's are really, really rough. Bumbs an moguls all day. Main trails are of course groomed. Lynx is made to handle those rough trails, for an agressive riders.
It's essentially an rally car, while rest are sport cars.
To me it feels like Polaris copied the ergonomics of the Gen 4, they both feel very much the same
It’s a never ending conversation. Ski Doo had the Rev and started it all. But my 06 and 2010 Polaris sleds had a taller seat and bars to both my friend’s 07 and 08 Renegades. One guy had to put a 6 inch riser block on to Mach my sled that I put on about a 2 inch block. Then you have Gen 4 , Axyss, Matrix. It’s a never ending battle.
I couldnt disagree more. The G4 feels COMPLETELY Different to sit on and to ride than the polaris. There are literally NO similarities in how they feel. The Lynx on the otherhand, feels quite similar.
Buy plugs in bulk when you try beaking in the Patriot 850!
Or bring the engine up to operating temp every time you start it. Oh that's for every 2 stroke motor isn't it lol
I think it should be mentioned that the Polaris 850 has a proven reputation for breaking I think it was 2019 model year had 100 percent failure rate and the real world gas mileage of a Polaris 850 is 40 percent worse than a brp 850
The Polaris shocks aren't rebound adjustable! The Lynx shocks are 10xs better then those crappy Walker Evans shocks
My xc 850 would get det warnings now and then.
My wife likes to come sledding 5% of the time is there room enough for for both of us on a easy Sunday ride
You can get a 2 up seat for the Polaris. The RAVE seat is TINY.
@@pavmentsurfer13 You can Linq passenger seat to Rave too.
The Lynx is 10x sexier imo. Polaris looks too "forced" to try and look good
Dude..your job sucks…must be nice to have to flip a coin to see what sled you ride..lol..can you send me a job application..love the video..just wondering how the price compares to these two sleds..I thought the Lynx was a lot more $$$$.. thanks.
Make the xcr a triple or just call it a xc
Guess which motor gonna be blown 1st
I like the xcr better
Dear Snow Trax can you reach out to me? Nice video
The Assault is more comparable to the Lynx...
The Lynx and the XCR are both high-end, rough trail 137's with 850 engines, which is why we compared the two. Would be interesting to compare the Assault against the Lynx too. What criteria would you suggest a Lynx/Assault comparo should focus on?
@@snowtrax Would absolutely love to see this... many people get the assault even just for trail riding, its a fun playful wheelie machine on trail.
@@snowtrax suspension/chassis/shocks/engine...almost identical on the Assault/Lynx....Assault uncoupled in rear/stiffer shocks all around like the Lynx...and yes it's different track lengths but the Assault has tipped rails in the rear. So in essence almost identical to track on the ground with the Lynx. Only real difference is where the rear shock is mounted...Lynx is more uncoupled but Assault has tipped rails. Both mogul/wheelie monsters!!!
@@snowtrax I kind of agree (i have an XCR, Indy and an Assault..all 2020 and newer) - putting the 'category' of them being high end rough trail sled etc, is good BUT the Lynx and Assault have a more similar trail platform. Suspension and trail reactions (playful and front end popping up at any given time), so it would be interesting to see the comparo. I know the Assault is considered more of a crossover - which oddly I find it better than my others on trail for various reasons.
To ME, it sounds like a direct comparison to the Assault in your description of the Lynx 'on trail' characteristics. So that's a WIN for me! :)
Also, I appreciate the content and work that goes into all your videos - great job!
@@Crushin123 Great points. Love getting everyone's constructive feedback. Let's keep this thread going...
Lynx doesn't even have an LED headlight....it's 2022...common Ski Doo
Polaris does even not have a modern engine. Sdi tech that Lynx used to have some 12-13 years ago. My Lynx have led lights
Poolaris they still make snowmachines?? Bombardier is the sled of choice period. Poo is just like it is #2
As a proud owner of what I believe to be the best and only snowmobile I've ever ridden , an 87 Stratos, I can whole heartedly agree based on the amount of UA-cam I have watched. I have similar opinions about Cessna airplanes, Versace handbags and Russian liquid fuel torpedoes bast on similarly extensive research
@@seanjacobs7021 Stratos was awesome..... If you wanna be serious though cmon, everybody had failures but time and time again it has been Bombardier driving sledding forward.
There is no shame in being behind a ski doo plus poolaris makes it too easy to poke fun at 😆
Its damping
You try memorizing paragraphs at a time, in only a few minutes, over and over.... every now and then a word comes out wrong. Lol
@@pavmentsurfer13 no
how come u guys never talk dry weight? Thats as huge an issue as everything else!!!
U can definitely tell who writes the bigger check to Snowtrax.
Not sure who you're suggesting we're favouring with this comparo?
If you have a problem with every video they produce why do you keep watching? Are you a keyboard rider or a sled rider? It was fair and unbiased! If you don’t think so you may want to rewatch!
You’ve got to be kidding!? They carefully laid out the pros and cons to each sled. The Lynx has been marketed as a big bump sled. The XCR has a history of being too soft for big bumps.
I just watched it again and still can't tell?
He didn't even say which sled was better. He called both of them basically perfect made for people with different riding styles. How is that bias?
Drive bearing on polaris is bad
No, its not. They had problems. They are now solved. Stop spreading false information.
If you are 6feets and more don’t buy a brp am 6’3 and polaris is way way better
Ya gotta buy what fits and feels most comfortable. A Doo might not fit for you, but might for someone else. Best advice is to actually sit on the sled or try out a buddy's sled before laying down your cash.
Both cool, but a bit of a cop out not picking a winner. Lol. I like it when you’re not afraid to take your balls out of your wife’s purse and pick the top dog.
Buddy, go back and watch it again. Sometimes there isnt a WINNER... And picking a "winner" is far less important that explaining what the sleds do well and where they lack. If one was better in every way than the other, I would have picked a winner. But as I said in the story, they are so similar in so many ways that their slight differences dont make one better than the other. They just make one better suited to a specific style of riding than the other, and vice versa. Its not a cop out, its giving our viewers the best and most honest info to help them make the best buying decision possible.
@@pavmentsurfer13 was mostly just trying to “get a rise out of you”. Success! Lol. I love your guy’s content overall, and appreciate your honesty and response. Keep up the good work!
You didn't even race the f****** things
Must be sponsored by Polaris or something