They're already 'circling the wagons' in the upper echelons. They'll make a public statement of sorts saying all the right things - - learn lessons, never happen again, etc, but they'll spirit her away to some comfortable environment to spend her millions till the dust settles. She'll be re-registered for her safety. Keep an eye open for someone called Vaula Pennells appearing on some conglomerates Board of Directors in the distant future. And so it'll continue.
Paula Vennells should be stripped of everything she owns and put behind bars. Then and only then will she realise how it felt for hundreds of honest employees that were victims of her wilfull incompetence / arrogance. Put her in jail to cry some honest tears.
They will have to put her and these others in jail for their protection. Failure to do that is going to end badly on a personal level for these people.
She should be but I'm getting the feeling that she is going to be the "fall guy" and I think there are others involved as well who are better connected who will escape.
This wasnt a Court of Law it was an Inquiry she was a witness . She will not go to prison for any verdict given here. She was not on trial although she seemed guilty if you look at those emails and her response to them. A separate criminal trial would need to take place in a Court of Law.
That would be not sufficient to pay the victims though or in some cases being back their loved ones But as a British tax paying pensioner why should the country foot the bill No it should be the wonderful Horizon co and the Post Office
This is a £ 2 billion loss to taxpayer's. This an industrial scale fraudulent prosecution of completely innocent people. Venal Vennells should go to prison for the longest. Bankrupted to pay for all the losses
She has not enough years of life left to even touch the victims yes she should go to jail but also the victims need compensating because however much cash offered it is not enough for the years of their lives they have lost through Vennells. What happened to their money they paid back where is it in the PO accounts???It was STOLEN from them where is it
@@petercutting6126 No, I believe that Vennells handed in her CBE which doesn't count. king Charlie should have stripped her of this honour. (but he didn't).
I watched almost all of her testimony. The one thing that will stay with me forever is the sight of Jo Hamilton sat next to her Barrister as he was excoriating Vennels. She never stopped staring at Vennels with venom in her eyes. Well done Jo. Hopefully she got the message. Hopefully she will see the inside of a cell after being convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
Jo Hamilton was so dignified. In fact I'm amazed at how dignified all the post masters were, especially the ones sitting in the enquiry room. They could have made a lot more noise.
I was watching her stare at Vennels and wondered who she was. Went off to find out and was amazed when I did find out she was one of the subpostmasters crushed by the PO and that she kept her composure during the lies being told.
My local post mistress for a while whilst I was living in north Hampshire …well stationed there. It was right next to raf odiham. Used to post eBay stuff daily. I knew she was innocent. As did the whole village.
She is either incompetent to a level of criminal negligence, or she is guilty of covering up a massive scandal and ensuring the suffering of hundreds, if not thousands of people. Either way, she needs to be held accountable, and examples made. Lawyers struck off, directors banned from ever serving on another board, and people forced to return bonuses, pensions and sent to jail.
TOTALLY Agree..she knew what was going on..keep claiming yer £3M bonus..thought decent working class Post Office workers,could never bring her down..totally disgusting,immoral behaviour..selective amneasia to the point of nausea..very calculating,evil individual!!!
It is so galling watching Vennells afforded many years of ‘reflection’ and now publicly able to pontificate about her recollection of events. She’s minted, dripping in wealth. Her colleagues too. All the while there are postmasters being offered pitiful amounts of compensation that take years to be calculated. Vennells and her team should be in prison. Post masters deserve millions EACH in compensation.
She remembers intimately conversations, e mails etc putting her in a reasonable light, but has total amnesia about anything which may be detrimental to her. Hope she gets put away.
She should pay it out of millions that made out of the poor victims this case could and should cause a public uprising as well as the victims getting a MASSIVE compensation nothing is to great But all settlements and costs to be paid by the Post Po give after all they have this blood money they ROBBED the victims of that in itself is a custodial sentance
She should be in prison. It is unbelievable what happened to those subpostmasters. That is why I am leery about putting my monetary information through computers. I wanted to have things on paper as I feel more in charge of that.
I laughed when she said that you couldn't prepare for something "like this" she was sooooo prepared! If anything was to her advantage she could remember the tiniest detail and even got quite enthusiastic giving the tiniest details word for word that she remembered quite clearly, But THEN anything to her disadvantage, she couldn't remember, couldn't recall, wasn't told, didn't read it etc etc. It was so funny watching a woman who earned (I believe) £700,000 having to pretend she was completely useless at her job as THAT is the only way she MIGHT get away with not knowing SO MANY things it was her JOB to know! - Gary
Instead of just answering the questions that Simon Beer was asking. She would pause to make up answers in her head first before saying them out loud. That's how I saw it....
Had the best legal minds she could find, never admit anything when in a spot don't say no comment ,that's for the working class just say, I don't recall.
@@GeorgeJarvis-o6i the difference is a lot the of the working class are doing underhanded and illegal stuff to survive our lives are completely different to the likes of Paula Vennells who has had a lot more opportunities than us in life and has never struggled to make ends meet and gone without. She should know much better than us. Look at the MP's expenses scandal they were literally thieving from public money and nothing happened. Had that been me comitting benefit fraud I'd be up in court imprisoned and forced to pay it back! They should know better than us we're trying to survive they literally have everything handed to them on a plate and done for them bar having their arses wiped for them. Boris Johnson couldn't even tell Jeremy Paxman how much a pint of of milk costs
If so, clearly she failed to graduate if her performance at the Inquiry is anything to go by. Her only 'talent' - forcing out a tear or two with great effort.
They would build her a big luxury villa with servants. That`s how it works for the elite, in this world. If she goes to prison I will vote Tory!!!😵💫😵💫
Years of £500 000 salaries + a couple of millions in bonus payments. If this woman is only half as sorry as she claims to be, then she would have already handed this cash over to the innocent victims.
That’s what happens when diversity is put before competence. Unfortunately incidents like this will only continue to happen as we go further down this route.
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BBC seem to be playing cover for Paula Vennells. After her performance they seemed to only focus on the crying. BBC is the utter pits. What happened to them???
The crying was the only "dramatic" part of the entire 3 days she was in front of the Inquiry. The rest was mostly bland, evasive answers... hardly newsworthy.
privatised by elites. world service (the larger part of the bbc) was funded by b.p. and the arab emirates some 15+years ago. they also made a deal with the other media outlets decades ago to share licence fee money in return for advertising revenue. which cuts them free of their "no advertising" rules. the licence fee is joke money to them. compared with rich investors which they can now dance with.
That woman is absolutely shocking. When will people being highly paid due to responsibility actually take responsibility when they fail. If the rewards are high so should the penalties be high. Jail time and nothing else is suitable in this situation
Alan Bates should be knighted. His work, his blood, sweat, toil and tears truly was a huge driving force in bringing justice in the courts to so many --- I now hope they receive justice when it comes to compensation for all of the financial and emotional loss!
Alan Bates strikes me as a most honourable man. Not once have I heard him ‘bigging himself up’. An honest man fighting what is still a colossal leviathan. The powers that be continue to keep the pace slow, deliberately.
Post office, contaminated blood, Hillsborough, Orgreave, Thalidomide, Savile, Mark Duggan, Cherie Groce, Steven Lawrence, Christopher Alder, Grenfell, the list goes on and on.
Vennells began her career as a graduate trainee at Unilever in 1981, and went on to work for L'Oréal, Lunn Poly, Dixons Retail, Argos, and Whitbread. She was a millionaire before she became a public servant as the CEO of the Post office in 2012. She is part of the Tory Elite.
My query is this? The people who manned the Horizon helpline must have been told to tell those asking for help that they were the “only one”. Who did that? Where did that direction come from? They must have talked amongst themselves that problems were widespread. That needs investigating.
yes I want more info and answers on this too. it's a disgrace. absolutely dodgy as. disgusting. how they could just trot off that line and lie to callers is disgusting.
@@franc9111 I think there were instances when they did speak to someone. It was depicted in the drama that those who did were all told they were the only ones. If the helpline was unmanned or manned infrequently that needs to be addressed by the enquiry. Fujitsu had to know there were issues and what they were doing without the SPM’s knowledge. It’s a web of conspiracy.
She’s had to choose between admitting she knew and therefore risking criminal charges against herself and portraying herself as an incompetent CEO. She’s chosen the latter.
Paula Vennells’ preparation for the inquiry paid off. Day 1, i thought she was on the back foot. Day 2 and 3, she just got better at answering the questions, she was politician like with her answers, she brushed away a lot of tough questionings.
I thought PV was denying any connection to IT or legal incidents. I think these are the 2 that might be criminal. I wish LBC would analyze her testimony from this angle. Vennells claimed either ignorance, inability to recall, or non-participation in every instance regarding these two areas of questioning. Conversely, for all else, she responded with copious (imho, false) apologies and tears. All in all, I agree she was carefully coached by lawyers and absolutely rehearsed as Mr. Bates says.
Any executive of this 'standing' is paid to question both the fine details as well as the big picture in the business they 'run'. She was criminally negligent.
I find it an insult to the rest of the population, I have been a director of several small companies, and that comes with a huge responsibility, I never earned the 'telephone number' salaries these PO executives got, but I was responsible for ALL the companies actions and was aware that I could be prosecuted for any wrong actions of the Company and end up with a custodial sentence. For Paula Vennells to sit there and say 'I don't recall' is not an answer, in fact listening to the evidence being revealed by the Public Enquiry proves she actually knew and was complicit with the cover-up, she and her colleagues collected their salaries each month, so by default MUST take the responsibility, SHE was in control of who her fellow directors were and had the FINAL word on what actions they took. If she couldn't be bothered to find out what her managers and directors were doing tough luck as CEO the BUCK STOPS WITH HER, you took the pay...now take the pain, I do hope every executive that was part of this fiasco and cover up get prosecuted, Likewise the 'bully boys or so called 'investigators' who put the individual Post Masters through the Courts using false evidence get prosecuted, they HAD A DUTY OF CARE to ENSURE the evidence they used was accurate and they didn't, so should now face the consequences. On another front, I believe Paula is a 'Lay Preacher' how can the Church allow her to stand up in front of a congregation given her devious actions and lies.
I have two questions. 1. When did she realise that she had lied or misled Parliament? 2. What did she do when she realised that the information that she gave Parliament was not true?
Paula Vennell deserves a BAFTA acting award for being able to turn on the crocodile tears whenever she likes and with no recourse to glycerin drops. Members of the acting profession must have marvelled at her technique. I wonder if she'll grizzle as much when she's in solitary confinement.
Consider your thoughts, construct a question and then ask it please - don't assume that your dithering/waffle makes easy listening. It does NOT! On the other hand the cool, reasonable, patient, reflective responses from all of the SPO is a credit to the group. These are remarkable people who have undergone living through a nightmare and still respond in a balanced and calculated manner. So impressive!
She wasn't crying because of the guilt, she was crying because she's been caught. People cry all the time to try and get out of things - the sympathy tears don't work anymore. She was more than happy to take a paycheck and let people go to jail and off themselves at the time - now there's accountability for that and the position she was in and she wants people to feel sorry for her? No thanks. She's yet another person in a business who chose a side - she chose the businesses side at all costs and ignored the human element - I'm not pretending certain businesses don't do similar to this day, because while they're making money for themselves... nothing else matters to some people. She knew what she was doing, people paid this amount in roles like this aren't paid for their competence - they are paid to help cover things up when the business does wrong.
Lets just hope all the compensation money is coming out of the bosses pockets even if they have to sell all they have why should the tax payer pay for their crimes.
The real exposure of the trial was the Desire to make sure the Royal Mail was adequately floated and supported and to this end no reference to Horizon was allowed as once there news of bugs was known it meant unsafe prosecution of oostmasters and fears of huge compensation would jeopardise Royal Mail investment . It was kept totally secret and the post masters/ mistresses were simply in the way of floatation and ignored and buried . Paula Vennels know this and was proud of this .
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IMO, This was all planned to take down the community hubs of post offices. Remember when all the small POs were closed down, that left locals abandoned and nowhere to go to get their pensions etc? They had to have their pensions put into their bank accounts, rather than having their little social hub, POs were seen not to be viable anymore. The scandal was the next step to destroy this part of our much loved and needed daily routine, for their conversion to this digital age. They want everyone, including the elderly, to have an e- wallet, where they have full control over what goes in and out, as everything is done on line. Its all so devious, inhumane, and totally unacceptable. Its all part of the agenda, it doesnt matter to them if it takes 20 years to realise, it doesnt matter to them how many peoples lives suffer, or die, they continue to move forward with or without our consent. They now have the perfect excuse to plough ahead with a cashless society so this never happens again. This only proves to me that, the government are not working for the peoole anymore, they all work for ridiculous wages and benefits, while the 99% barely cover their bills, whilst they are rewarded for doing as much damage as possible and are rewarded for it. If there was any true justice, they would have been named and shamed years ago, had all their assets seized and put into jail! They were quick enough to falsely accuse the innocent!
Hi Carol and all the people watching this clip. Can some one or an MP please start a campaign for Mr Alan Bates and his wife to be given a Knighthood for all there hard work and getting to where we are today If ever any one deserves a Knighthood is Alan and his wife.
Why don't the citizens of Britain rise up, picket and protest en masse and demand that this man receive a CBE and also demand that the PO executives return their bonuses?
Well, for all the pain and suffering these poor people went through, it won't be nothing compared to what would be revealed if there was ever an inquiry into the the treatment of people by the DWP. The DWP have caused thousands of deaths over the last 3 decades and it has all been swept under the carpet.
absolutely true. they said i had to take meds aged 16 to show i was willing to get help for my depression. out of 10 types 5 got banned for causing extreme depression and anxiety. after trying to move me onto anti psychotics (reason unknown, but my doc. dr.richard, ended up on the survivor tv series going loopy himself.)they left me to rot. he was my support person. i got lucky, my sister didnt. she died a few years ago. alone and desperate for help, she always trusted the doctors..and the meds. in cardiff there were many many cases of suicide amongst the younger gens. my gens. it was all brushed under the carpet. they got away with a 2" appology in a newspaper offering a help hotline for victims. (agoraphobes dont tend to use telephones as it causes anxiety, they also dont go out to buy the daily paper), i got shown it two years ago. they didnt follow up on any of the victims. worst part (im 45 now, alive but my life taken from me), was the depression was a dental infection, bodys natural reaction to infection is to stop it spreading, stop the blood pumping hard, keep you rested...it makes you depressed so you do that. but dentists arent real doctors apparently so doctors dont even look at that info. to top it off i checked my records when the doc left the room and all it had for 20years of treatment was "smokes 10 a day", theyd deleted it. and i guess thats why the doctors secratary made excuses for 7years while i tried to get my history from them. check records, you will find them stripped.
This scandal popped up at various points over the years, and for me it was so unbelievable I kind of ignored it! My mind could not comprehend it, so it treated it almost like a recurring bad dream. I feel ashamed. People like Alan and Jo have humbled me. Seeing Jo sitting there knowing PV had to endure her gaze was epic.
Astonishing her ambition was simply for the post office to be bigger / no mention of an ambition for the post office to right wrongs and act with integrity / which surely should have come first esp in the light of hindsight . Appalling. In stating this ambition for what could have been she even managed to miss out on the obvious chance to state moral behaviour being the most important thing before all else and indeed should have been the bedrock for the post office to grow.
Watching (and captivated by it all) from Canada, it pains me as a woman that it is beginning to look a lot like the Post Office prioritised placing women in the most executive roles over placing the most competent in those positions. I still don't understand why loyalty lays much more with Fujitsu than with the SPMs. Luckily, I think with KC Beer, the most capable has finally been placed.
The directors and many of their lawyers should be held personally liable. They should be personally fined to such an extent as to recover all the costs plus custodial sentences - I don't see why the tax payer should have to pay. Company directors, gov officials and lawyers are paid big bucks and have a legal responsibility. They must be made to realise that they cannot get away with it - if you accept the job and the money then you also accept the responsibility. Unfortunately, so far they have got away with it however! Look at Grenfell Tower, blood scandal, Windrush, etc. It is not enough for them to merely lose their jobs but still keep their money and their freedom - not when so many people have been so cruelly harmed or killed. Something is very wrong with this country if there is no justice. I will vote for any political party that promises to sort this justice issue out - but all I hear is silence from the lot of them - I wonder why?
The bottom line, as with any company, the buck stops with her. She is responsible for what happened and therefore should face the consequences. Unfortunately she has very powerful friends and she won't go to prison whatever the findings of this inquiry. - mores the pity.
I wonder if Mr Bates will be given a royal medal for his services to justice? I shan't hold my breath. I see one award in Wales which im in no way belittling, but he deserves much more from the whole of the uk.
I dislike Voldermort but she is correct when she ascribes Sir Bates heroic status. His statue should be placed onto the fourth in Trafalgar Square as he embodies British tenacity in the face of overwhelming odds. Children should aspire to aquire his determination for righteous justice.
Nobody has picked up this '30,000' branch fantasy. It's a ludicrous figure; the largest Supermarket has around 2500 branches, Network Rail has about 2,500 stations. If there were to be 30,000 PO branches they'd have to be putting some on top of mountains and uninhabited islands! It was a piece of window dressing intended to throw sand in the face of the enquiry.
I've heard the word 'earned' used a number of times in relation to Vennells. Received would be more appropriate. To earn something (not necessarily money) implies something useful, worthy, valid, honest.
She has had years to come clean, her tears are for herself, she must spend a decade in jail.
10 years, and then some
She won't go anywhere near prison. Sadly the world doesn't work that way.
They're already 'circling the wagons' in the upper echelons. They'll make a public statement of sorts saying all the right things - - learn lessons, never happen again, etc, but they'll spirit her away to some comfortable environment to spend her millions till the dust settles. She'll be re-registered for her safety. Keep an eye open for someone called Vaula Pennells appearing on some conglomerates Board of Directors in the distant future. And so it'll continue.
The establishment looks after its own
I thought you lefties would be happy with this?
Paula Vennells should be stripped of everything she owns and put behind bars. Then and only then will she realise how it felt for hundreds of honest employees that were victims of her wilfull incompetence / arrogance. Put her in jail to cry some honest tears.
she put innacent people in jail but never see the inside of one tory will look after her.
she/they only made "errors" as its being said, they will not be prosecuted, it will be swept under the carpet as a error,
They will have to put her and these others in jail for their protection. Failure to do that is going to end badly on a personal level for these people.
She should be but I'm getting the feeling that she is going to be the "fall guy" and I think there are others involved as well who are better connected who will escape.
@@aalan4296 I think you are right.. She seemed to me, on the evidence, to be the patsy.
This woman knew .
She must face jail.
Yes, clearly she - and many others inside and outside the PO - knew.
This wasnt a Court of Law it was an Inquiry she was a witness . She will not go to prison for any verdict given here. She was not on trial although she seemed guilty if you look at those emails and her response to them. A separate criminal trial would need to take place in a Court of Law.
@@lisadefries6718 The police are 'now' investigating these cases and might well face criminal prosecutions...
@@lisadefries6718 my point exactly .
She must be tried in court .
of course, she did, with all her experience and being in top companies, why would she not question the IT program
Pay your 3 MILLION bonus back Paula Vennells.....As you failed
That would be not sufficient to pay the victims though or in some cases being back their loved ones But as a British tax paying pensioner why should the country foot the bill No it should be the wonderful Horizon co and the Post Office
It's 5 million! 😡🙏⚖️🙏
Paula Vennells should be jailed & forced to give back her pension.
Sadly in this instance she is still entitled to keep her full pension provision and no one can touch this.
This is a £ 2 billion loss to taxpayer's.
This an industrial scale fraudulent prosecution of completely innocent people.
Venal Vennells should go to prison for the longest.
Bankrupted to pay for all the losses
She has not enough years of life left to even touch the victims yes she should go to jail but also the victims need compensating because however much cash offered it is not enough for the years of their lives they have lost through Vennells. What happened to their money they paid back where is it in the PO accounts???It was STOLEN from them where is it
Her massive pension should be transferred to the victims of this scandal. Why should she live a comfortable life with a big fat pension..
What about that 5 Million bonus ? Disgraceful that she has returned her CBE but not the money.
There's nobody - NOBODY - more deserving of deepest thanks and 100% admiration in the entire country than the great Alan Bates.
SIR Alan now..........brilliant. He can accept an honour now as the dreadful Vennels was made to relinquish her CBE.
Top bloke Sir Alan
@@petercutting6126 No, I believe that Vennells handed in her CBE which doesn't count.
king Charlie should have stripped her of this honour. (but he didn't).
She was crying because she got caught! Unbelievable how wicked she and the rest of her colleagues were to the poor post master's 😢
At the end of the day she lied to parliament....
Is this a capital offence?
No it was done in the capital.
Just like Tony "Miranda" Blair.
@@gregjarvis3288 Aa well as at the beginning of the day and the middle.
As Boris Johnson showed, lying to Parliament is the Prime Minister's job.
I watched almost all of her testimony. The one thing that will stay with me forever is the sight of Jo Hamilton sat next to her Barrister as he was excoriating Vennels. She never stopped staring at Vennels with venom in her eyes. Well done Jo. Hopefully she got the message. Hopefully she will see the inside of a cell after being convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
Jo Hamilton was so dignified. In fact I'm amazed at how dignified all the post masters were, especially the ones sitting in the enquiry room. They could have made a lot more noise.
Jo seems like a wonderful woman.
I was watching her stare at Vennels and wondered who she was. Went off to find out and was amazed when I did find out she was one of the subpostmasters crushed by the PO and that she kept her composure during the lies being told.
My local post mistress for a while whilst I was living in north Hampshire …well stationed there. It was right next to raf odiham.
Used to post eBay stuff daily.
I knew she was innocent. As did the whole village.
I just don't know how Jo looked so calm and seemed to remain that way without yelling at Vennells at some point.
She was clearly coached and well practised
Pity she wasn't better trained to portray sincerity.
Many months of 1 to 1 coaching but still hollow
She is either incompetent to a level of criminal negligence, or she is guilty of covering up a massive scandal and ensuring the suffering of hundreds, if not thousands of people.
Either way, she needs to be held accountable, and examples made. Lawyers struck off, directors banned from ever serving on another board, and people forced to return bonuses, pensions and sent to jail.
TOTALLY Agree..she knew what was going on..keep claiming yer £3M bonus..thought decent working class Post Office workers,could never bring her down..totally disgusting,immoral behaviour..selective amneasia to the point of nausea..very calculating,evil individual!!!
It is so galling watching Vennells afforded many years of ‘reflection’ and now publicly able to pontificate about her recollection of events. She’s minted, dripping in wealth. Her colleagues too. All the while there are postmasters being offered pitiful amounts of compensation that take years to be calculated. Vennells and her team should be in prison. Post masters deserve millions EACH in compensation.
She remembers intimately conversations, e mails etc putting her in a reasonable light, but has total amnesia about anything which may be detrimental to her. Hope she gets put away.
Ms Vennell’s legal expenses must be considerable. Hoping these are not being covered by the post office.
They will be.
She should pay it out of millions that made out of the poor victims this case could and should cause a public uprising as well as the victims getting a MASSIVE compensation nothing is to great
But all settlements and costs to be paid by the Post Po give after all they have this blood money they ROBBED the victims of that in itself is a custodial sentance
Fear not, it'll be covered by the next increase in the cost of stamps.......
She should be in prison. It is unbelievable what happened to those subpostmasters. That is why I am leery about putting my monetary information through computers. I wanted to have things on paper as I feel more in charge of that.
Likewise.
Hard labour and bread and water.
Arise, Lord Alan Bates.
No he’s a public hero, only the ghouls are knighted
The man is a legend
Custodial sentence or pay back every penny she earned working for Post Office.
Both.
Not or, and.
Both !!!!!
Both nothing less than
And pay back
The Post Office inquiry is theatre for the masses. Will any of those responsible face a criminal trial and go to prison?
Unlikely I’m afraid, as usual.
In my life I am yet to see someone held accountable in any inquiry....
.... For context, I'm 48.
Nope
The elite in power will never let those at the top serve prison time, because they know it could be them next.
none.
I laughed when she said that you couldn't prepare for something "like this" she was sooooo prepared! If anything was to her advantage she could remember the tiniest detail and even got quite enthusiastic giving the tiniest details word for word that she remembered quite clearly, But THEN anything to her disadvantage, she couldn't remember, couldn't recall, wasn't told, didn't read it etc etc. It was so funny watching a woman who earned (I believe) £700,000 having to pretend she was completely useless at her job as THAT is the only way she MIGHT get away with not knowing SO MANY things it was her JOB to know! - Gary
Charge her with theft, deception, perjury,
So right, you have scored 180!!!
and harassment of subordinates.
And criminal negligence which resulted in some people committing suicide!
Plus fraud
Then don't forget money laundering and proceeds of crime!
Paula vennells weeping was for herself in that she's been found out!
Instead of just answering the questions that Simon Beer was asking. She would pause to make up answers in her head first before saying them out loud. That's how I saw it....
Strangely, she couldn't remember anything that incriminated her, but she could recall every detail of anything that blamed anyone else.
Did Vennells spend the last year at RADA rehearsing for her sordid little performance?
Had the best legal minds she could find, never admit anything when in a spot don't say no comment ,that's for the working class just say, I don't recall.
@@GeorgeJarvis-o6i Ha ha, straight out of Boris's Partygate Playbook.
@@GeorgeJarvis-o6i the difference is a lot the of the working class are doing underhanded and illegal stuff to survive our lives are completely different to the likes of Paula Vennells who has had a lot more opportunities than us in life and has never struggled to make ends meet and gone without. She should know much better than us. Look at the MP's expenses scandal they were literally thieving from public money and nothing happened. Had that been me comitting benefit fraud I'd be up in court imprisoned and forced to pay it back! They should know better than us we're trying to survive they literally have everything handed to them on a plate and done for them bar having their arses wiped for them. Boris Johnson couldn't even tell Jeremy Paxman how much a pint of of milk costs
Be coached so that at best, you look incompetent but not like you broke the law
If so, clearly she failed to graduate if her performance at the Inquiry is anything to go by. Her only 'talent' - forcing out a tear or two with great effort.
Send her to Rwanda 🇷🇼
Lol😂
Send you to Rwanda 🇷🇼
They would build her a big luxury villa with servants. That`s how it works for the elite, in this world. If she goes to prison I will vote Tory!!!😵💫😵💫
What did Rwanda do wrong?
@@t.d.186 She would deny Rwanda exists.......
If there are no prosecutions after this then people will be fuming.
Years of £500 000 salaries + a couple of millions in bonus payments. If this woman is only half as sorry as she claims to be, then she would have already handed this cash over to the innocent victims.
What an absolutely awful human being Paula Vennells is. She has to be jailed for what she put these people through
She’s also incredibly a lay preacher ! The hypocrisy!
Employed far above her mental capacity.
Empluyed for acting quality?
The lack of memory & portrayal of her role as passive is because she is trying to avoid criminal prosecution.
It was her cunning not intellect.
That’s what happens when diversity is put before competence. Unfortunately incidents like this will only continue to happen as we go further down this route.
Yes, escalated from her sweeping broom to another she flew with!
Alan Bates - my new crush/ hero !
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BBC seem to be playing cover for Paula Vennells. After her performance they seemed to only focus on the crying. BBC is the utter pits. What happened to them???
The crying was the only "dramatic" part of the entire 3 days she was in front of the Inquiry. The rest was mostly bland, evasive answers... hardly newsworthy.
They are now the propaganda arm of the conservative party.
Boris put his Tory donor mates in charge of the BBC.
privatised by elites. world service (the larger part of the bbc) was funded by b.p. and the arab emirates some 15+years ago.
they also made a deal with the other media outlets decades ago to share licence fee money in return for advertising revenue. which cuts them free of their "no advertising" rules.
the licence fee is joke money to them. compared with rich investors which they can now dance with.
Instead, nobody should broadcast her "crying" at all. If needed, someone read her text flatly.
Great presentation by Carol, what a treasure she is, and Alan Bates is a total hero.
That woman is absolutely shocking. When will people being highly paid due to responsibility actually take responsibility when they fail. If the rewards are high so should the penalties be high. Jail time and nothing else is suitable in this situation
Alan Bates should be knighted.
His work, his blood, sweat, toil and tears truly was a huge driving force in bringing justice in the courts to so many --- I now hope they receive justice when it comes to compensation for all of the financial and emotional loss!
Alan Bates strikes me as a most honourable man. Not once have I heard him ‘bigging himself up’. An honest man fighting what is still a colossal leviathan. The powers that be continue to keep the pace slow, deliberately.
Vennells being a pastor is just poetry
Clearly, she hasn't seen the Thou Shalt Not Lie bit......
She's probably begging for forgiveness 😅
Vennels: Writing cheques her intellect could not cash.
Post office, contaminated blood, Hillsborough, Orgreave, Thalidomide, Savile, Mark Duggan, Cherie Groce, Steven Lawrence, Christopher Alder, Grenfell, the list goes on and on.
Covid 19 jab.
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Never mind covid 19 jab . COVID 19 full stop
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Add to list Miscarriage of Andy Malkinson
The Birmingham Six, The Guildford Four, Barry George, Colin Stagg
The establishment in this country is brutal. We need change.
Alan Bates should be knighted for being the people’s champion!!!
Alan Bates is absolutely awesome, never doubted , he is my hero.
Vennells began her career as a graduate trainee at Unilever in 1981, and went on to work for L'Oréal, Lunn Poly, Dixons Retail, Argos, and Whitbread. She was a millionaire before she became a public servant as the CEO of the Post office in 2012. She is part of the Tory Elite.
My query is this? The people who manned the Horizon helpline must have been told to tell those asking for help that they were the “only one”. Who did that? Where did that direction come from? They must have talked amongst themselves that problems were widespread. That needs investigating.
yes I want more info and answers on this too. it's a disgrace. absolutely dodgy as. disgusting. how they could just trot off that line and lie to callers is disgusting.
I agree, why haven’t the KCs for the enquiry looked deeper into this?
I'm not sure that anyone was manning the Horizon helpline - the SPMs could never get through to somebody.
@@franc9111 I think there were instances when they did speak to someone. It was depicted in the drama that those who did were all told they were the only ones. If the helpline was unmanned or manned infrequently that needs to be addressed by the enquiry. Fujitsu had to know there were issues and what they were doing without the SPM’s knowledge. It’s a web of conspiracy.
She’s had to choose between admitting she knew and therefore risking criminal charges against herself and portraying herself as an incompetent CEO. She’s chosen the latter.
I hope everyone involved, including Paula V, get serious convictions.
I am so ANGRY about all of this. Ironically I worked at Fujitsu Bracknell before this all happened
Paula Vennells’ preparation for the inquiry paid off. Day 1, i thought she was on the back foot. Day 2 and 3, she just got better at answering the questions, she was politician like with her answers, she brushed away a lot of tough questionings.
She needs to face a trial by jury for manslaughter and perverting the course of justice
She wouldn't get a fair trial. It would be like Blackadder 'wheel the guilty barsteward in'
@georgejohnson7591 well she's not a loveable fictional character and no ones laughing
And perjury and theft
The WHOLE of Paula Vennels email in which she said Jo Hamilton lacked passion did it for me too. It showed Vennels true colours.
True colour indeed that's Venneals
Give Venal Vennels, Ten Years in the Kennels....
She took a bonus on the basis of these sub postmasters payments paid when they should not, borrowing off family, redemption is needed
Charge her (and others) with perverting the course of justice. I can't see a UK jury acquitting her.
Think the problem now is finding unbiased jury members
If she ever comes in front of the judge & juries. I have my doubts
What happened to all the money that was supposed to have been stolen? Surely, it must have been found by post office accountants.
Probably paid their bonuses.
It will have simply been worked into the system as part of the profits.....
I thought PV was denying any connection to IT or legal incidents. I think these are the 2 that might be criminal. I wish LBC would analyze her testimony from this angle. Vennells claimed either ignorance, inability to recall, or non-participation in every instance regarding these two areas of questioning. Conversely, for all else, she responded with copious (imho, false) apologies and tears. All in all, I agree she was carefully coached by lawyers and absolutely rehearsed as Mr. Bates says.
Any executive of this 'standing' is paid to question both the fine details as well as the big picture in the business they 'run'. She was criminally negligent.
Where are the IT technicians who changed the figures why aren’t they being investigated
I find it an insult to the rest of the population, I have been a director of several small companies, and that comes with a huge responsibility, I never earned the 'telephone number' salaries these PO executives got, but I was responsible for ALL the companies actions and was aware that I could be prosecuted for any wrong actions of the Company and end up with a custodial sentence. For Paula Vennells to sit there and say 'I don't recall' is not an answer, in fact listening to the evidence being revealed by the Public Enquiry proves she actually knew and was complicit with the cover-up, she and her colleagues collected their salaries each month, so by default MUST take the responsibility, SHE was in control of who her fellow directors were and had the FINAL word on what actions they took. If she couldn't be bothered to find out what her managers and directors were doing tough luck as CEO the BUCK STOPS WITH HER, you took the pay...now take the pain, I do hope every executive that was part of this fiasco and cover up get prosecuted, Likewise the 'bully boys or so called 'investigators' who put the individual Post Masters through the Courts using false evidence get prosecuted, they HAD A DUTY OF CARE to ENSURE the evidence they used was accurate and they didn't, so should now face the consequences. On another front, I believe Paula is a 'Lay Preacher' how can the Church allow her to stand up in front of a congregation given her devious actions and lies.
Paula has become the worst advert for the Church and Christianity. The real Christian’s here are Alan Bates and Jo Hammilton
I have two questions. 1. When did she realise that she had lied or misled Parliament? 2. What did she do when she realised that the information that she gave Parliament was not true?
Well you tend to know when you’re lying so straightaway I’d imagine
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An extremely interesting question.
Start the fund now and drag them through the courts .
Absolutely spot on Carole......that awful email told us all we needed about Vennels
Paula Vennell deserves a BAFTA acting award for being able to turn on the crocodile tears whenever she likes and with no recourse to glycerin drops. Members of the acting profession must have marvelled at her technique. I wonder if she'll grizzle as much when she's in solitary confinement.
Cried “ to order”
Consider your thoughts, construct a question and then ask it please - don't assume that your dithering/waffle makes easy listening. It does NOT! On the other hand the cool, reasonable, patient, reflective responses from all of the SPO is a credit to the group. These are remarkable people who have undergone living through a nightmare and still respond in a balanced and calculated manner. So impressive!
She wasn't crying because of the guilt, she was crying because she's been caught. People cry all the time to try and get out of things - the sympathy tears don't work anymore.
She was more than happy to take a paycheck and let people go to jail and off themselves at the time - now there's accountability for that and the position she was in and she wants people to feel sorry for her? No thanks.
She's yet another person in a business who chose a side - she chose the businesses side at all costs and ignored the human element - I'm not pretending certain businesses don't do similar to this day, because while they're making money for themselves... nothing else matters to some people. She knew what she was doing, people paid this amount in roles like this aren't paid for their competence - they are paid to help cover things up when the business does wrong.
Lets just hope all the compensation money is coming out of the bosses pockets even if they have to sell all they have why should the tax payer pay for their crimes.
You're forgetting. Any monies in "the bosses pockets" has already come from the Tax payer.
I think it would be even better if Fujitsu paid! Ditto the US companies for the contaminated blood.
@@andrewm7945well let’s not add to taxpayers burden
"These people", were actually real people!
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The newest patron saint...of liars, if lying was an Olympic discipline, no one could touch her, give her the gold now!
She was well schooled alright, we said the same as we watched the witch, well rehearsed evasion and lies.
Paula Vennells saying she relied on bad information, but the subpostmasters also had to rely on bad info - hers.
how much has the scam and crime cost the british tax payer!!! will anyone in the government be held accountable NO.. she must go prison but she wont!!
Jo Hamilton and Alan Bates should be nationally recognised for their courage and determination in the face of such obdurate resistance to reason.
Actually, no tears were evident.
her and prince andrew
Dry eye fake tears
The real exposure of the trial was the Desire to make sure the Royal Mail was adequately floated and supported and to this end no reference to Horizon was allowed as once there news of bugs was known it meant unsafe prosecution of oostmasters and fears of huge compensation would jeopardise Royal Mail investment . It was kept totally secret and the post masters/ mistresses were simply in the way of floatation and ignored and buried . Paula Vennels know this and was proud of this .
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IMO, This was all planned to take down the community hubs of post offices. Remember when all the small POs were closed down, that left locals abandoned and nowhere to go to get their pensions etc? They had to have their pensions put into their bank accounts, rather than having their little social hub, POs were seen not to be viable anymore. The scandal was the next step to destroy this part of our much loved and needed daily routine, for their conversion to this digital age. They want everyone, including the elderly, to have an e- wallet, where they have full control over what goes in and out, as everything is done on line. Its all so devious, inhumane, and totally unacceptable. Its all part of the agenda, it doesnt matter to them if it takes 20 years to realise, it doesnt matter to them how many peoples lives suffer, or die, they continue to move forward with or without our consent. They now have the perfect excuse to plough ahead with a cashless society so this never happens again.
This only proves to me that, the government are not working for the peoole anymore, they all work for ridiculous wages and benefits, while the 99% barely cover their bills, whilst they are rewarded for doing as much damage as possible and are rewarded for it. If there was any true justice, they would have been named and shamed years ago, had all their assets seized and put into jail! They were quick enough to falsely accuse the innocent!
Vennells was able to recall indirect questions but not direct questions although one and the same dates. 🤔
Hi Carol and all the people watching this clip.
Can some one or an MP please start a campaign for Mr Alan Bates and his wife to be given a Knighthood for all there hard work and getting to where we are today
If ever any one deserves a Knighthood is Alan and his wife.
ITV is the hero along with Mr Bates🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Why don't the citizens of Britain rise up, picket and protest en masse and demand that this man receive a CBE and also demand that the PO executives return their bonuses?
Who appointed her?
Well, for all the pain and suffering these poor people went through, it won't be nothing compared to what would be revealed if there was ever an inquiry into the the treatment of people by the DWP. The DWP have caused thousands of deaths over the last 3 decades and it has all been swept under the carpet.
absolutely true. they said i had to take meds aged 16 to show i was willing to get help for my depression.
out of 10 types 5 got banned for causing extreme depression and anxiety.
after trying to move me onto anti psychotics (reason unknown, but my doc. dr.richard, ended up on the survivor tv series going loopy himself.)they left me to rot. he was my support person.
i got lucky, my sister didnt. she died a few years ago. alone and desperate for help, she always trusted the doctors..and the meds.
in cardiff there were many many cases of suicide amongst the younger gens. my gens.
it was all brushed under the carpet. they got away with a 2" appology in a newspaper offering a help hotline for victims. (agoraphobes dont tend to use telephones as it causes anxiety, they also dont go out to buy the daily paper), i got shown it two years ago.
they didnt follow up on any of the victims.
worst part (im 45 now, alive but my life taken from me), was the depression was a dental infection, bodys natural reaction to infection is to stop it spreading, stop the blood pumping hard, keep you rested...it makes you depressed so you do that.
but dentists arent real doctors apparently so doctors dont even look at that info.
to top it off i checked my records when the doc left the room and all it had for 20years of treatment was "smokes 10 a day", theyd deleted it. and i guess thats why the doctors secratary made excuses for 7years while i tried to get my history from them.
check records, you will find them stripped.
@luminousfractal420
Sorry to hear that. Hope your feeling better now. And yes when did dentists start calling themselves doctors....
The Post Oriffice should be closed down and all involved should be sent to prison, without the chance of early release.
This scandal popped up at various points over the years, and for me it was so unbelievable I kind of ignored it!
My mind could not comprehend it, so it treated it almost like a recurring bad dream.
I feel ashamed. People like Alan and Jo have humbled me.
Seeing Jo sitting there knowing PV had to endure her gaze was epic.
No matter what the P.O. threatened me with If I had been a postmaster I would NEVER have pleaded guilty to a charge which was totally false.
She wanted 30,000 PO branches to rob of their personal money.
Astonishing her ambition was simply for the post office to be bigger / no mention of an ambition for the post office to right wrongs and act with integrity / which surely should have come first esp in the light of hindsight . Appalling. In stating this ambition for what could have been she even managed to miss out on the obvious chance to state moral behaviour being the most important thing before all else and indeed should have been the bedrock for the post office to grow.
This statement by her was unbelievable ,, more to run when the ones that were up and running were her cash cow
just as she broke down a youtube advert popped up "the best prayer to obtain wealth is.." 😂
It’s beyond shocking- a national disgrace. In the USA she would have been charged by now and in prison. Shame on the UK.
THIS WOMAN is an ordained priest and was considered for Bishop of London😢😢😢
Vennels, not Carol Vorderman 😂
Tells you everything about religion
Sir Alan Bates has a nice ring to it ❤
Of course, she was probably practicing the cross examination by her own legal advisers. But still got caught out.
Watching (and captivated by it all) from Canada, it pains me as a woman that it is beginning to look a lot like the Post Office prioritised placing women in the most executive roles over placing the most competent in those positions. I still don't understand why loyalty lays much more with Fujitsu than with the SPMs. Luckily, I think with KC Beer, the most capable has finally been placed.
Keep fighting for justice mr bates,the public is behind you
The directors and many of their lawyers should be held personally liable. They should be personally fined to such an extent as to recover all the costs plus custodial sentences - I don't see why the tax payer should have to pay. Company directors, gov officials and lawyers are paid big bucks and have a legal responsibility. They must be made to realise that they cannot get away with it - if you accept the job and the money then you also accept the responsibility. Unfortunately, so far they have got away with it however! Look at Grenfell Tower, blood scandal, Windrush, etc. It is not enough for them to merely lose their jobs but still keep their money and their freedom - not when so many people have been so cruelly harmed or killed. Something is very wrong with this country if there is no justice. I will vote for any political party that promises to sort this justice issue out - but all I hear is silence from the lot of them - I wonder why?
The bottom line, as with any company, the buck stops with her. She is responsible for what happened and therefore should face the consequences. Unfortunately she has very powerful friends and she won't go to prison whatever the findings of this inquiry. - mores the pity.
I wonder if Mr Bates will be given a royal medal for his services to justice? I shan't hold my breath. I see one award in Wales which im in no way belittling, but he deserves much more from the whole of the uk.
I dislike Voldermort but she is correct when she ascribes Sir Bates heroic status. His statue should be placed onto the fourth in Trafalgar Square as he embodies British tenacity in the face of overwhelming odds. Children should aspire to aquire his determination for righteous justice.
If this woman is not jailed why should we obey the law?
Nobody has picked up this '30,000' branch fantasy. It's a ludicrous figure; the largest Supermarket has around 2500 branches, Network Rail has about 2,500 stations. If there were to be 30,000 PO branches they'd have to be putting some on top of mountains and uninhabited islands!
It was a piece of window dressing intended to throw sand in the face of the enquiry.
She needs a load of jail time for knowingly ruining peoples lives.
She claims not to realised the imbalance of power between the PO and the individual sub postmasters. Not so, she took full advantage of it.
I've heard the word 'earned' used a number of times in relation to Vennells. Received would be more appropriate. To earn something (not necessarily money) implies something useful, worthy, valid, honest.