“People WILL Be Prosecuted” Over Post Office Scandal, Says Lord Arbuthnot | Julia Hartley-Brewer
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- Julia Hartley-Brewer and Tory peer and Post Office scandal campaigner, Lord James Arbuthnot, discuss the closing remarks of the Post Office inquiry.
Lord Arbuthnot, a key figure in exposing the scandal, expresses optimism about achieving justice, though he acknowledges significant delays, with prosecutions potentially not beginning until 2027.
The Post Office-Horizon scandal saw hundreds of sub-postmasters wrongfully convicted of fraud, theft and false accounting over more than a decade.
A lengthy public inquiry into the scandal has revealed the Horizon software was faulty and created false shortfalls in their accounts.
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Don't make me laugh, 2 tier policing, 3 tier CPS, 4 tier judiciary and you expect someone is going to get prosecuted for this????
Correct no one is going to jail lord aburthnot is wrong
Never has there been such an example of the great and good protecting themselves .
@@fruitychink Not long ago we had the nonce Prince who's Mother used our money to keep the horrible man out of court.
Hope not@@michaelmcginley7930
Scapegoated, the British way, burying someone to save face of those who made the decisions, as that would almost certainly go to the top of civil service, judiciary and Westminster.
If they are not prosecuted there is no such thing as British Justice
agreed - if no one goes to prison for this there will be an Outcry the likes of which this country will never have seen
@THEOUTCASTSCREATIVE the outcry will be burried in other news really quickly. Maybe stage some kind of pseudo scandal around a royal or so.
The British justice system is on trial here not just vennells and the rest! There must be jail time!
One has to remember that it was the justice system, particularly the courts, that allowed POL to successfully prosecute SPM with little evidence in the first place.
Strange that the postmasters and mistresses were swiftly prosecuted yet those further up the ladder seem to get very different treatment. Hardly fair.
Just the norm the British judiciary filling their pockets with the Kings Head 💰 💴
Almost, sort of , two tier?
The system looks after itself hence the delay in any prosecutions.
Lordabuthnot lovley guy but very naive no ond is going to jail
And pray tell what makes you more of an expert on the post office scandal than Lord Arbuthnot? I've seen nothing constructive from you. Just bleating " no it won't happen". You sound very " it is what it is and won't change". Don't think you know what precedents have already been set with this one. It'll take a couple of years but if "the system" is your argument- you need to learn more before banging the drum. @@michaelmcginley7930
@@michaelmcginley7930agree sadly
It shows how bad British justice is .most postmasters were advised to plead guilty,so they got a lesser sentence, disgraceful.
And it was the Courts and Judges that failed to check that the evidence supported a guilty plea in the first place…the Courts have facilitated the miscarriage of justice…they need to be held to account as well.
By 2027 they should have found a big enough carpet to sweep all this under!!☹
I seem to remember Post-Masters being prosecuted and going to jail fairly quickly.
Compensation………this is not what should be first addressed. These people have first been robbed! They have been forced to pay stated sums that the post office say was missing. It’s not difficult to prove how much in each case………First PO must repay this stolen money….that can be done in weeks.
Then, the postmasters deserve compensation. In the final statement today PO barrister, on behalf of PO said they had learned lessons, and would act differently…….all the while other lawyers representing PO are arguing to down pay compensation claims, stalling and driving postmasters into settling for substantially less money, because they are just worn out
The PO remains, imo, disingenuous.
These people need to be arrested and remanded in custody awaiting trial.
One way to speed things up for sure!
Sir Alan Bates played a bigger part in exposing the criminals in the post office scandal.
Lord Arbuthnott has proved that there are still people of integrity at the top of the British Establishment because it has been shown sadly that it is mostly self-serving greedy individuals at the top
Err..... he is a long way from the top and supports the illusion of justice in the UK.
It didn’t take very long to put the innocent in prison what a joke
Lots of spilled milk with many reporters standing around the puddle saying what a shame. Won’t someone grab a mop?
Wasn’t Starmer head of CPS during this scandal? Did any files land on his desk I
Wondered
The vast majority of prosecutions were carried out by the post office. That is one of the central causes of this whole thing.Very few were referred to and handled by the CPS. I do not know how many exactly and what proportions were found guilty or not
No files but masses of flies😊
~try and stay on topic
@pieterfaber24 try and not lie labour on any topic
@@joffey1212 try writing English
The public will be disappointed because it'll all come down to just a few key mid-level people either perjuring themselves or being criminally negligent. Incompetence among senior management isn't a criminal offence otherwise our prisons would be overflowing.
Lock her up
The lawyers need as much time as possible in order to maximise their earning capacity,they will be the only winner's.
Exactly
They take so long to prosecute because the only really successful government policy which endures and endures is “kick the can down the road” and wait until the public forget or lose interest . However, this hasn’t worked for Milroy vs advocate general Scotland - and the MoD lost the appeal - so they’d better watch out on this one …..
Put Vennell's sentence to a public vote.
The police need to provide updates on progress especially those who profited through pay and bonuses from the terrible harm caused to Postmasters
Only way you get a fast prosecution is if you say something Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper don't like. Starmer still has huge influence within the CPS, that is obvious.
There will be no convictions, unlike those who were wrongly accused.
It's just not jolly good enough for such an unacceptable delay.The delay will remove the urgency, the currency and reality of the heinous behaviour will be tempered and lose it's meaning, memories will fade further, people will get older and pass, the public will lose interest. Surely there must be better strategic alternatives, such as breaking the whole massive case down into smaller digestible and more easily managed and pursued groupings/classes of activities. It's a massive and complex case for sure.
Don't hold your breath 😢😢😢
I'm from the US .. this probably being true, anywhere .. this group of former postal administrators, who have been asked some rather embarrassing questions, recently .. & they, having much deeper pockets than the postmasters had .. they can afford to employ lawyers to throw up smoke, denials, counter accusations, motions for delay, etc. to frustrate a day of reckoning, .. because, on this go-around .. they're in the crosshairs, .. instead of the postmasters. Fair? .. not at all ..
Post office people past and present must be properly jailed not just charged
They will get slap on the wrist. Nothing will happen. If it was the working class, he would have his lively hood taken of him and thrown in prison
Keir Starmer oversaw all of the incorrect prosecutions, funny that he's managed to avoid any accountability.
Yes, "Starmer"!
This is an absolute rubbish comment. He did not oversee any of the Post Office Prosecutions. A small proportion were handled by the CPS. Do you really think Starmer would have known any of this. I tell you. It is a great shame that he did not. He would have acted.
Just looked it up. Report by the Independent Newspaper. During the time of Starmers role at the CPS 11 subpostmasters were tried. Of these 3 were convicted. So your comment is absolute garbage.
@@richardstone3473 The CPS has the ability to take over any Private Prosecution, and frequently does. The CPS scrutinizes all Private Prosecution against the tests of whether they should take them over and pursue them more vigorously, or take the them over and shut them down in the public interest.
Starmer's CPS decided that it was in the public interest for these prosecutions to continue.
Did Starmer know about it? He has been absolutely clear that he knew nothing of any of the important cases before the CPS in his time as DPP. Nothing at all.
@@HarryOld972 thank you for this. I was unaware. The next question is who was reviewing these cases? It is so obvious that there must be something wrong if hundreds are going to court but the stats were not getting through to anyone in authority. I have used this analogy on other presentations. 10,000 new cars are made. 1,000 crash due to brake failure. Conclusion by manufacturer. Nothing wrong with the brakes because 9,000 have not crashed it has to be the drivers lying.The courts then find these 1000 drivers guilty of dangerous driving.
they are better than us and treated differently
The wheels turn very slowly when it's the great and the good, the connected, the made guys who are in trouble. When it's ordinary people highlighting lying from the Labour establishment, the wheels turn very fast and very viciously.
All greased along by our 'independent' Judiciary, whom if I may quote my Jewish uncle, are as bent as a pork pie in a Synagogue.
one hundred percent agree
Nothing before 2027 say prosecutors.
Why has this scandal taken over 20 years and still not resolved? Some people have committed perjury, some perverted the course of justice, some have died, some became bankrupt, some have suicided, some carry on the fight for justice. They are people who need closure and balance in their lives. The guilty need to be punished, the postmasters and sub postmasters need remuneration for what they have experienced at no fault of theirs. The Prime Minister needs to step in, stand up, show some leadership and recompense the postmasters and sub postmasters for their suffering!
"People will be prosecuted".. WHO??? what people?? are they going to prosecute the victims twice?? because this bstrds are not going to prosecute any of their fellow polititians responsible of this disgrace
Have the victims been compensated yet ? And the culprits responsible been charged and convicted yet ? Is this just all for show ? Considering how rapidly the victims were dealt with and the time involved in ruining their lives this is now just a never ending scandal ! Gross ! Pay up and pay up now !
Not one will be held to account. All those at the top will walk free and into other high paid positions where they will equally inept and dishonest.
Justice will not be served.
Can't behlive it took a TV Drama to get people interested
My money is on nobody being prosecuted as the Prosecution will decide that there is less than a 50% chance of a Jury conviction and once again the establishment escapes justice. It is a fix from start to finish to save the reputations of some of the more well connected folk in the land.
Justice in the UK 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂are you serious 😂😂😂😂😂😂 if I don't laugh I'll cry!!!
Post Office Ltd is a "Crown" entity.
No one will be prosecuted, because they are protected by the same "Crown" that oversaw and enabled the execution of these crimes. Who will hold the "Crown" to account?
Unfortunately, this is just the typical practice and culture in the majority UK large companies.
It’s what the UK is now known for:-
A systemic culture of covering up and putting corporate reputation above having any honestly or integrity.
There is processes for fit and proper management, but within these organisations, Government and the various overseeing Ombudsman, no one cares, lower management, right through to the Directors, CEO and the Chairman.
When it finally comes to trial I hope that they aren't going to use public money (taxpayers) to defend these assholes who knowingly put innocent postmasters in jail
Yeah….of course they will 🙄
Julia what is holding it all up is the fact that Lawers need to line their pockets first .
There’s an attitude in the UK when big companies or corporations do the wrong thing that it’s just business so it’s okay. Philip Green is a prime example, should have been stripped of his knighthood and sent to jail but is living the good life after claiming “it’s just business”
Firstly , lock up Vennels, and throw away the key
Why does,nt she let him finish his answer, these newscaster,s are so ignorant.
Can someone please explain how any evidence revealed in the Inquiry can be used in a criminal prosecution?
Will people be prosecuted over the Lucy Letby miscarriage of justice?
@@Steve-el9by Did anyone deliberately lie in that case like they have in the Letby case?
Did you think of posting that on a story about Lucy Letby? Should we all go and look for Lucy Letby articles and ask about post office?
@@DepakoteMeisterirrelevant
@@JohnJones-xk6rg I did. It's not an either/or scenario.
A class action suit US style is required for billions in compensation to the postmasters.
Another longwinded British enquiry that will need to nowhere. The Establishment look after its own.
2027 - WTF!
I often thought that the justice system when there was a wild West was crude. Maybe they should put up wanted posters with a reward so that they can be jailed.
It'll be a cold day in hell before anyone is prosecuted. They are more likely to get a cash bonus.
Posecuters , Police and Magistrates ..enabled ,facilitated, and drove those dodgy arrests charges and convictions
Nobody will be prosecuted, we all know that. One rule for one……….
Prosecuted😂 - no chance. By the time this gets to court and through appeals we'll all be long gone 😢.
No they won’t - there are too many to go at - the legal fees will outweigh the compensation pot - proving criminality will be the hard thing - I mean the detail of the criminal act and how it directly impacted on an individual
So what year will the cover up SCUM be prosecuted?
Most be someone' you miss out
Would be wonderful if the interviewer would stop herself and let Lord Arbuthnot speak and reply.
Instead of prosecutions, I predict that each of the board of directors and senior managers, will receive MBs and cushy jobs in other govt departments.
Blunkett and his then S Yorks police force appraised of availability of embarrassed counsel evidence as a witness in 1999.
Where is the money? Who stole it? If postmasters didn’t take it as we know Fujitsu stole it from accounts. Are there employees now left and living in villas in Spain or back in Japan. The system was working perfectly and set up to access and change accounts. What were all those Fujitsu employees in the basement doing all day and night.? Premeditated crime . Yet Fujitsu. Still not accused of multiple thefts . Not a word ??
There was no money missing, there were no thefts, it was a computer error. The software used by POL was Horizon. It was faulty. That's what's so awful. Subpostmasters were being made to pay back non-existent losses. Subpostmasters were being prosecuted by POL for non-existent thefts. That means that the excess money is with Post Office Ltd., but where abouts in their finances nobody knows, apparently. That's what the entire scandal is about. POL used private prosecutions to go after subpostmasters for non-existent thefts, testifying in court that Horizon was "robust", yet they'd known about bugs, errors and defects in Horizon for years and hid this from defence and courts.
@@fionarobertson9308not quite but you're close. The computer is not the criminal. Remember that huge bonuses were involved for senior and middle managers to hit targets. They were happy to put the onus on subpostmasters even though they knew of bugs errors and defects. They tried to cover it up. People became the core problem, not the computer
No one will face gaol, there won’t even be a trial. All the defendants would have to say is due to the inquiry it’s impossible to have an unbiased trial due to the information released during the proceedings and then point to the following comments below.
I believe no ond will go to prison , they will find excuses, you can see that , 2027 before deciding who.
Gets prosecuted ?!!
Its the stalling game ,people will forget is the hope , also more of the victims will be gone.
Maybe a few smaller figures in it. But the big fish will swim away
Unlikely...
They know there totally guilty what a waste money the lawyers milking the innocent disgusting
well i not put much hope in the justice system .after all they did convict a lot of innacent people .and asked very little question . for two decades.
Yes it takes the defence years to fabricate evidence and excuses to try and prove their innocence. Vennels should just be put straight in jail and her cohorts to follow asap!. Pay the compensation immediately.. disgraceful.
1:30 Arbuthnot starts speaking
I thought she called him Lord Butternut then 🤣
Arrrggghhhh!
MP's strut about and crow about the UKs 'rule of law' when talking about importing illegal migrants.
Not a word when this sort of scandal breaks. Or the grooming gangs.
Almost every word of this comment is a lie.
Yeah of course they will
Mmmm. At least the following. These PO managers who should not have been in charge of the office goldfish bowl. These so called investigators who could not figure out the bad guy in Scooby Doo. PO lawyers I would not trust with a crayon and colouring book etc etc. They will hopefully spend the next few years worried sick that justice in time is coming for them.
Gareth Jenkins will be 1 of the fall guys.
Horrible man.
He surely was used as a Patsy by the PO and the PO lawyers.
He was a tech geek, not a legal expert that the PO placed legal responsibilities upon him that he wasn't liable to do, in Fact it was the PO requirements to do that.
@@garyh1572 can you expand without a subjective two word sentence / comment ?
The behind-the-scenes interfering of computers was not done maliciously, it was done usually overnight to sort problems seen by them or reported to them - problem was sub post masters STOPPED REPORTING losses as they seemed to be magically fixed by themselves overnight - so some bad balances (losses) were never attended to and the losses started escalating so the confused exasperated post masters went deeper and deeper into the mire. The actual many and varied system errors were fixed eventually.
Pamela For God's sake wake up!
The behind-the-scenes interfering of computers was not done maliciously, it was done usually overnight to sort problems seen by them or reported to them - problem was sub post masters STOPPED REPORTING losses as they seemed to be magically fixed by themselves overnight - so some bad balances were never attended to and the losses started escalating so the confused exasperated post masters went deeper and deeper into the mire.
What utter rubbish the problems were never sorted out
@@martinclements8724 I will give it a go at explaining it to you but you might be too thick to understand -the techs were zero-ing some large INDIVIDUAL losses overnight often by simply resetting that account, but that or another error might appear again another day but the sub post office may have got fed up reporting it. and the many system errors WERE fixed eventually after years.
Poor guest. Can’t get much of a word in with JHB’s overlong rambling questions. She’s a terrible interviewer.
2027?
Jarnail Singh
Erm erm erm erm
I have listened to all speakers present their summations to Sir Wyn.
My conclusion, briefly put, is that the two speakers who were spot on, as the Brits like to say, was Mr. Henry who perfectly described the atrocities that took place, and the speaker for the NFPS, Ms. Wals (??) who laid oud a very concise path forward. If there is a path forward.
All of the speakers for the Post Office and that lot had the underlying theme to their presentations summed up in one word.
Whoops!
God in his infinite wisdom tells us exactly what was to come to pass in the last days:
Isaiah 24:16(c) woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.
Then I'm afraid you don't fully understand. The NFSP are in survival mode . They only distanced themselves from POL when they knew the gravy train has ended .
How can an organisation representing franchise subpostmasters be 95% funded by post office limited.
Look at their agreement with post office . It basically says they can't say or do anything that says anything bad against post office limited. Funnily enough the funding was announced to be ending. Suddenly NFSP are all for the subpostmasters.
Nah. You've been sucked into their little escape plan
This host cannot help but interrupt at every turn. So frustrating.
How rubbish is TalkTv?
So you support the Post Office criminals. What the hell is wrong with you?