Tubeless Foam Inserts - Worth the effort?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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In theory tubeless inserts are a great idea. If you get a flat, your tire is less likely to fall off the rim, they protect the rim from impacts and if you have no way to repair your puncture or reinflate your tire, in theory you can ride home on a flat tire.
However, they're a bit of a pain in the arse to install, and you're adding 45g per tire (so 90g) to the bike. However, it's a lot easier to stomach when the price is this low. $20 per tire including a tubeless valve - not bad!
I think TPU inner tubes and a normal wheel are the way to go. It's a reliable and well proven system. Worrying about tyre sizes and pressures in hookless is an accident waiting to happen.
Hookless is up there with the worst ideas ever in cycling
@@itsmepickles Tubulars are up there with Saddam and Satan playing strip poker...
Who said anything about hookless? Hooked tubeless :)
Using this argument, any bicycle is an accident waiting to happen, esp with all the hairdressers driving around in convertibles!!
Hookless wheelsets have their place, and will most likely improve your cycling experience, when used properly.
My advice to anyone interested: if you can, give them a go; but if you can't be bothered to do the research, stay away!
Love my tubeless/hookless setup. I think about the pressure every ride I do which is also the same thing I did when I rode with tubes and hooked rims.
If you get a puncture that doesn't seal, these will only get you home if you're not too far away. They also remove the option of popping in an inner tube. No thanks.
Wow that's slow shipment as we are over month over Black Friday.
Nope... This video was shot almost 2 months ago, lol. Been very busy these days.
Road tubeless to me seems to be a solution in search of a problem. Especially if you're adding these things AND sealant, you're definitely not going to be lighter than just running lightweight tubes, and with correct tire choice you shouldn't have many problems with punctures on tubes either. Videos like these just make me more certain that tubeless just isn't for me - seems to be more trouble than it's worth.
I have tubeless on one bike and latex inner tubes on another. Tubeless is a hassle and a solution for a problem that is hardly a problem
@@HarishChouhanSame
Agreed 😊
Goat Head thorns and wires from auto/truck tires carcasses. Us with tubeless road wait for our tubed friends to fix their flats.
Living in goathead country, I've gone from 3-4 flats a week running Conti 4 seasons to 1-3 plugs for the life of a tire. I've used 3 tubes in the last 80k miles. In that same time, I would have used HUNDREDS of tubes.
*On top of that, I'm training on performance tires now and not harsh riding "durable" tires
One thing about foam inserts - I actually cracked and ruined a carbon wheel, trying to get my tire off. Yeah, I really enjoyed having the foam insert, and one time I was even able to ride home like 12 miles with absolutely 0 psi. This was on a road bike, 700x28c tires. It's INSANELY difficult to get the tire off, and I had even purchased the special Vittoria tool that they sell in order to help you get the tire off. Well, the insert made it too difficult to take off my tire, and while attempting to take off my tire using the tool, heard a good crack and crinkle. Yup, cracked my carbon wheels. Stopped using inserts after that, back to tubes for road. Might be fine for a gravel or MTB, but for road, no thanks. It's probably about 4 times as hard to take off a tire than it is to install them.
That sounds nasty. I can't imagine trying to remove the tire at the side of the road. (But I guess the idea is that you don't have to once you have this...)
I had the Vitoria version of the liners and got rid of them. With them installed (great difficulty) it’s hard to check sealant level and if you do need to dismount the tyre for a puncture that won’t seal or to unclog a valve then you’re in a whole world of pain. Dismounting is much harder than installing as they push the bead onto the rim.
I purchased some Vitoria road inserts. Worst ever $100 I spent. Don’t buy these things they are way more hassle than they are worth. Regular tubeless is fine without them.
Installing with 2 people was ok.. I can imagine solo would be a swear fest
43g is almost nothing, 86g of insurance? Yes please. I've had quite a few pinch flats this year running GP5000, so I think I'll be giving these a try.
43g isn't nothing, that's almost 5 yrs in prison in some states 😂
Pinch flats? Put a new tube in takes a few mins easy
@@leslie7922 were talking about tubeless here, nothing to do with tubes except emergency fixes
@@galenkehler oh okay, gross 🤢
Can road tubeless get any more pointless? Sealant is supposed to deal with the punctures so why do you need to spend even more on inserts? Here's an idea, why don't you just put some sort of inflatable bladder in the tyre? You can ditch the crappy sealant, inserts and rediculously expensive tubeless tyres.
black friday was in November ?!?
Yes, this video was shot ages ago, been too busy to edit.
China comes through again capitalistic price gouging.........pool noodles folks, they're basically pool noodles but necessary in gravel riding and totally worth it.
Pointless extra weight, complexity & p.i.t.a. factor - could be a metaphor for the industry generally these days
A friend of mine had a tubeless blowout on a downhill in Colorado, ended up with a broken collar bone. He has these in all his tires.
Hooked or hookless?
hooked but rim brakes, dealing with heat buildup and pressure changes due to altitude variations on big hills.@@yourdeadjack
Damn. When you put it like that....
@@robertwhyte3435 probably one of those people who ride the brakes downhill...
It's Colorado, so yeah.
@@Silidons91
That inner liner thing, i cant wrap my head around it. Tyres getting lighter and lighter, and even safety getting thrown away for the sake of it. Also, there was a big words about how light tyres effects "aerodynamics" and "turning resistance" but that inner liner doesnt effect any of this?! I think all of this time this is all part of a game. Lighter tyres sold for higher price, they get damaged more, turnaround rate is higher you consume more.
Here in Australia peaple r nocking Chinese bikes wheels I my self love all of there stuff I have brought 4 frames thay have been very good I brought different wheel to try thay r grate
Tubeless massive pro isn’t the puncture issue, it’s the comfort and speed you get from lower pressures you wouldn’t dare ride a tube on. If you have not experienced it then you’re missing the point
Id get these for my mr gravel bike. Bloody like half the cost of Vittoria ones which is a huge win
I wish ride now came out with an ultralight affordable latex tube
I think this summer ill clean out the old sealant and just bang in some tpu inners. Fuck it.
I run tubes in my "Stans No tubes" Wheelset. Tubeless can get f##ked
Why there is no "SENSAH" groupset on your store ????
I use tubeless on my 28mm road tyres and haven't seen the need for inserts. Just easier to carry a ridenow TPU with me and thankfully haven't needed to use in the last 3 years. On my gravel bike I have ghetto inserts - 30mm PU backer rod off ebay, using a zip tie to join - on 43mm tyres. There it has come in useful when it slow puncture / valve leak on a group ride. I could keep going through the muddy stuff til we got back on tarmac then pump it back up. It's taken me a while to adjust to lower and lower pressures on gravel setups so the insert gives a bit of peace of mind when I'm going down a rocky descent on 28psi - I might only have aluminium rims but I still don't want them dinged.
Vittoria came out with these first seems like RideNow are copying them een down to the tyre mounting tool. Ive used Vittorias version with Veloflex Corsa Race tyres and they are a pain to install but figured theyd be worth the effort. Got a puncture and maybe it protected the rim but i now just use tpu tubes although i like the feeling of tubeless and the lower pressures better
Vittoria Airliners are also lighter - My medium is listed as 31gr (and more colourful too, which is waaay better 🙃)
I don't like tubeless I will always use tubes
I use CushCore on my gravel and mountain bike wheels. I have used the spongy inserts from Rimpact and they are ok. Just know that they absorb a lot of your sealant.
I like your channel but I'm sorry to say I will be viewing it a lot less. UA-cam is really being dicks and made me remove my Ad blockers. It's all about corporate greed if you want to know the truth. Ads are the reason I cancelled cable TV 10 years ago and started watching uninterrupted content on UA-cam. I know a lot of your success was from posting content on UA-cam but I image that is going to change. I'm going to find something else to do with my free time now so I doubt I will be keeping up with your content moving forward. Good luck to you.
This video is less than 8 mins so there should be no ads in the middle of the video? Anyway, it is what it is.
vittoria air-liner's competitor then. if it's $20 per insert, i don't see much selling point as air-liner is about $30 per insert.
Total saving of 20 bucks for two wheels... Not the worst deal in the world.
maybe some color grade?
Can this be used as an alternative for tubes? If so, what near pressure does it provide?
It doesn't replace a tube. It's a safety feature. It keeps the tire on the rim and from what I've seen it makes the tire feel like it's got about 25 lbs of pressure. Enough to come to a safe speed on a gashed tubeless on a fast descent.
Joe, I don't see the tubeless presta
valves listed on your website..
They come with the inserts. We don't sell them separately. Our logistics are too expensive to be competitive on small goods
About Serk bike, I would like to know which chains are compatible with these Incolor chainrings. I don't think this crucial information is on pandapodium and I like how it looks. Too bad you can't buy them separately. As for video topic, on road I prefer TPU tubes with some lighter tyres.
I have all my wheels tubeless and at the right pressure there's definitely a benefit/s. HOWEVER I now own several bikes like uou so they get ridden once a month so thinking TPU is the way forward.
Tubeless or tubes?? In my soon 40 years of serious road cycling, I´ve been running tubulars for about 99% of the mileage. 2 persons and 8 minutes to fit one tyre?? The rumour has it that tubulars are messy.... Best joke in a loooong time! Thanks, Joe!! Rgr
TPU's are nice if you live in an area with smooth tarmac and no road debris but everyone I know from 150-215 lbs will never ride them again here in the Southeast US. TPU is way too fragile and impossible to repair on the road.We are all tubeless or latex tubes so take that for what it's worth. The inserts should be great for gravel but they need to be 38-45 compatible
Tpu all day every day. Bugger the faf of tubeless , sealant, valves . I’ve seen a lot of vids on setting up tubeless and it looks like a pain even though they say it’s not . I’m a old school rider . If I get a pinch out on the road it’s a five minute job especially with the co2 cartridge.
Also you far less risk of burping a tyre. Been running inserts in CX, gravel and MTB tubeless for years both Airliners and ghetto. Definitely the way to go when running low pressure off road. Tempted to try these as finally have a road bike that is running 28mm tyres (my other bikes are older and limited to 25mm tyres)
Seems like they might make sense in CX, where a pit with new bike is not too far away. Or, maybe a bit of extra security if riding exposed mountains where a blowout could cause a cliff dive. Day to day, hard to see it being worth it. Saying this as a road tubed guy, all these tubeless products really add up to quite a cost.
Air presure inside the tube will not crush the insert in any way
I've literally seen ridenows demo. They made a transparent plastic pipe and you see it get crushed. I think it's on their Instagram.
I use tubeless and love them on my road and gravel bikes. Inserts in big gravel tires is a no-brainer, but getting them on and off the much narrower road tires(30c) is very tricky and hard to decide weather or not it's worth the effort.
Inserts for most riders riding road bikes are more hassle than it’s worth. For gravel and XC riding inserts are brilliant, but they need to be higher density foam, because in those disciplines the insert in about rim and tyre protection from impacts, not run flat capability.
Could we have a look at these after one season of use? For instance it would be good to know if indeed they still have their form or if they're permanently compressed and how they interacted with the sealant. I noticed when you unpackaged them that one section was compressed around the corner. How long did it take to regain it's shape? Thanks again for the great reviews!
I saw a trick for tire inserts. Use the very thin zip ties around the tire and insert at about every 30 degrees, but leave a wider space between ties 180 out from the final mounting spot. Then cut the zip ties off. Seemed to work well for minimize the insert and force the 2 tire beads close together.
Tubulars are so much easier to install and so much better to ride than any tubeless
I use tubeless on my gravel bike but tubes on my daily commuter. Might be worth the hassle for inserts on a mountain bike but pretty sure I'll pass on the inserts for now.
I have 27 bikes so tpu makes the most sense for me due to the time i split between the bikes
A "just-in-case" where you hope the case never happens - I guess that puts them in the same category as helmets, no?
what size of foam inserts do i need for my 40mm gravel tires?
The insert doesn't "disappear" when the tire is pumped up.
The insert is not airtight, so the pressure around it will be the same as "inside" it.
it took me some time to figure out the technique for getting the vittoria inserts on and off (getting the tires off is a similar challenge to putting them on). it did get easier with practice and I do like having them. its nice having the extra security. I've seen hella people running (on their road cleats) to the wheel pit in a crit and thought "if you had inserts you would have got there a lot faster and saved a lot of energy"😅
If you're going to run tubeless road on hookless these are probably a good idea. I have DT Swiss on my Canyon and they are hooked wheels and tires so I probably wouldn't use these.
Yeah, the safety bit is reassuring if running hookless
43grams plus the sealant, I’d rather not.
Love tubeless on my MTB, a real game changer. On my road bikes, why bother? Some top notch clinchers with TPU tubes provides a quality ride on my ancient wheelset. If I want to run lower pressures without the fear of pinch flats I just go up a size in tires.
While I do ride big road tires most of the time, it's nice to not have to worry about pinch flats with my 25 and 28mm tires. I used to get 3-4 flats a week due to goatheads. Now I add a plug a few times during the entire life of a tire. I still get those same goatheads in my tire. But now I pluck them out or just keep riding until they snap off.
I've had five punctures last year made it home every time on tubes, so I won't be buying inner cores it's unnecessary
Used to get 3-4 flats a week before tubeless. I can't imagine getting 5 flats a year now. I'm not running inserts but I'm using about 5 plugs a year or less. If I got 5 flats a year that needed a tube, I'd probably start running inserts.
For hookless rims I see no advantage for these inserts, maybe for usual clincher tubeless rims, because their rim bed can cause more damage to the tires in the event of pressure loss
I don't run inserts but I've definitely hit a pothole hard enough to chip my hookless rims and create a hairline crack. The would have really mangled a hooked rim😅 It actually sealed up with my sealant but I did clean it out and repair it with a carbon patch. Wouldn't have been a problem at all with inserts but I'm also still not getting them anytime soon
After giving tubeless a 3 season try, I gave up on them. They're too expensive and complicated to install and maintain.
How are you installing them to have difficulty?😵💫 It takes less than 10min for the most difficult road tires and that's with adding fresh tape. Overall, I know I'm saving at least 50;1 in terms of time with all the flats I'm not getting with the minimal setup time. Those numbers will vary for people that live in areas where flats are rare or if they're also very lightweight riders.
@@veganpotterthevegan It takes longer to install and costs more, compared to tubes. Let's not forget about the potential mess you can make with the sealant.
I'm not worried about the little speed difference. TPUs close the gap pretty well.
@musclelessfitness2045 it doesn't take very long at all and any time lost is made up many times over with not getting flats. Cost is also marginal, especially for people that don't patch tubes. *Do you avoiding eating soup because you could spill it? No, you eat like an adult and don't make a mess.
@musclelessfitness2045 If tubeless lost me 5watts, I'd still happily ride them. The gains are too sizeable to not take advice of them.
Funny thing that led me back to tubeless was ridenow tpu tube, once punctured it lost air so fast by the time I managed to brake on a patch of grass on the side of the road, I had lost all the air and was riding on the rim. I was going down hill when this happened tho.
Sounds hairy. Code brown.
You can use both. That's what some zealots don't understand. It's not a binary solution -- you can't have to choose camp or adopt tribal mentality. You can choose the combo that best suits your needs.
@@ChinaCycling yup even scratched up my elite wheels due to that... But i do like the weight of tpu tubes, maybe I shouldn't have paired it with highroad sl
@@Dee-Ell using tube is less hassle tho, but tubeless is more punturced proof than any tubes I ever tried, including foss tubes.
@@xaein9515 Hassle in what sense? If you ride like once a week, then yes, maybe it's not worth it having to deal with the sealant.
I really like having an insert in the rear on my mountain bike. It does take longer and it makes installing the tire harder. I find if you fully install the tire and let it sit over night at 50 or 60 psi. The tire will stretch out just a little and you can take off one bead and install the insert a little easier. I also went with tannest armer insert because it looked like it would be easier to install compared to the others.
I'm fortunate to have a near limitless supply of wheels, but still, when I feel a rim bottom out on the road... my bum does clench...
@@ChinaCycling yea i know. Im considering using them for my gravel bike. Im on the east cost of the US. My trails are super rocky the insert on the mountain bike makes the it so i can still run low psi and not damage a rim. It also has vibration dampening qualities.
Tannus inserts are a breeze. No special steps or waiting necessary. I don't use them due to the weight and loss in ride quality, but I've installed dozens of sets for customers. Nothing to plan with putting them in. Vittoria's are definitely difficult unless you size down though
What happens when you need to clean dried sealant?
I think you just go throw your bike at your local mechanic and it becomes. his problem?
@@ChinaCycling If the reply goes: "I don´t do that kind of job", or "Sure it´s $50,00 per wheel". Bingo! Rgr
You don't need to so you don't
While your use-case (many bikes, low use) is a great argument for tubes, mine (one bike, much use) is far different. Tubeless for my MTB is vastly superior to tubed. Less rotational weight, lower pressures, better grip, and less rolling resistance plus no chance of pinch flats make it a no-brainer. I literally have not had a flat tire in a decade of multiple weekly rides. I do run lightweight XC inserts so I can run a very soft-casing tire without rollover during hard cornering. The inserts also give my hardtail a noticeably amount of high-frequency vibration damping.
The hassles with tubeless requiring sealant and tire plugs was what originally kept me from going tubeless. But the added hassle of changing the sealant on top of that was the determining factor to stay with my tried and true tube setup.
If you ride enough, you'll replace your tires before you run out of sealant. Not that adding sealant is remotely difficult. I add sealant to my barely ridden mountain bike. It takes less than 2min per tire
You're not alone...TPU tubes (specially the Schwalbe ones) are so good now, that there's no reason to run tubeless on the Road, or chill gravel.
@boxerik11 rolling resistance is just one reason to go tubeless. And TPU tubes are still measurably slower than latex. Nothing wrong with picking TPU tubes. But the main gain is weight weenieness, not rolling resistance, and not flat protection.
Tubeless is the way to go, less rolling resistance, no pinch flats so lower pressures, went from having about 2-3 flats a month to maybe a leak every 4-6 months that requires a plug, probably more that I never noticed and sealed up.
Yup. I love tubeless. My current situation isn't really suited tho.
I use the Tubolight EVO Road inserts for tyre retention security and the run-flat capability but they are only 19 grams each.
Although the RideNow inserts are 'only' 45 grams you have to remember that you're also adding around 50 grams of sealant to that... sure, they're all small numbers but it's added mass at the rim.