The Volvo V90 Cross Country Takes on the TFL Slip Test!
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
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Volvo standing strong with a wagon…which in my opinion looks so much better than a SUV. (Not to mention better handling and lower coefficient of drag)
Its just an usa thing, wagons are common in eu
They are getting harder to find in the US, most manufacturers have discontinued them.
@@Gerard_Joling63not quite, considering volvo will actually stop all estate production in the UK
@@Gerard_Joling63unfortunately, even Europe is moving away from wagons and into crossovers.
There's two of these I see occasionally near where I live, I get excited every time I see them. They just look great: classy, subtle, and useful.
V90 is such a beautifully proportioned large wagon - so refreshing in a sea of SUV’s
Volvo knocked it out the park with this vehicles styling.
One of the best looking cars out there.
I owned this v90 cross country for three years, mine had the diesel engine. I fitted 18” wheels with offroad tyres. It easily tackled many offroad situations and unpaved rocky mountainpasses with absolute ease. People in Lamdcruisers and Defenders used to stop me and say that I wouldn’t be able to make the terrain and were surprised when I laughed them off. Volvo supplies a thick aluminum plate as an official accessory that I had fitted below the engine compartment. That took so e knocks, but I never felt that I really needed extra clearance.
Amazing car.
We have a 2019 Ocean Race on 19” wheels. Never had any issues and the seats and ride are very comfortable. It’s been across the country a couple of times and regularly drives between the west coast and the UT mountains these days. Although it’s not an off-roader, it’s certainly capable of transiting a dirt or gravel road so long as the ground clearance isn’t an issue. Traction is always fine. In truth, though, the two places it’s most impressive are long-distance highway trips and snowy mountain conditions (the reason we got it in the first place). Not cheap, but I suspect the negative comments belong to people who’ve never actually owned one.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. You guys need to create a rating system for AWD testing.
That would be nice. Maybe even a top gear kind of board where you rank them based on how they perform. Like a hot lap with the Sting, but off road and slip test ratings.
I have V90 -18, D4 AWD. Living in Sweden. That dark and snowy country. Never had any issues. It works REALLY well!
9:18 you criticize ground clearance. It has 8.3 inches. That’s very good for a wagon or sedan. It’s better than many SUVs.
I have a V60 Cross Country. Best car I've ever had. Solid, comfortable, and great in snow/light off road. I swapped out the 19's and put on the base 18's and it drives even better
fantastic car! wish there were more wagons on the market!
I'm not sure what generation of Haldex this one has but I have a 2015 V60 Cross Country, I put a full skid plate on it and downsized to 17 inch wheels wrapped in nitto AT's and the car is WAYYY more capable than it has any right to be. It's also a fantastic tow vehicle for anything under 4k pounds.
In 2015 it was gen V. Since 2019 it's VI.
The volvo v90 xc is used as police cars in Europe. Its the standard squad car in Norway. Volvo have a dedicated factory in Sweden that modifies all the models into what the customers need.
Nice video. Had a V90 CC for a couple years now and love it.
Two of my neighbours have the European model.D5 AWD.they both have caravans and go around Europe.only positive comments so far .
Love my 2015.5 Volvo XC70 T6 Platinum. Great on road and off roads
Always wanted a wagon.
Volvos testing on icy Swedish roads definitely pay off!
One of the best looking cars out there)))
To engage the "Kick gate" you have to take at least one step back after kicking. (Says so in the owners manual and that works for me every time)
I find that it opens best when I walk behind the vehicle with no intention or need for it to open 🤦♂
you have to have the key on your or else it beeps to let you know the key is not detected
Hmm, good point, might be why my (non Volvo) kick activated tailgate sometimes bleeps to acnowledge but doesn't then open. Must experiment!
I have to try that. My V60CC tailgate sensor has been frustrating me for 3 years- kinda like Tommy was in the video.
Beautiful wagon/suv. But like most vehicles, way too expensive.
Beautiful wagon and great traction test. Thank you. Regarding the wheels and tires I wanted to comment that the 21 Inch wheels with the summer tires on the V90 CC tested is an optional upgrade. All the V90 CC Ultimate trims come standard with the 20 Inch Wheels with all-season tires that have more tread and grip. Great to see how well it did in that test with those tires and wheels.
My parents are about to get one of these. 2018 model with the T5 250 horsepower engine, AWD, and only 52,000 miles on the clock. It's a replacement for our 2014 XC70 with 155,000 miles on the clock we've had since February 2015.
Tommy definitely your next vehicle please.
Thanks for sharing. What a great way to test.
100% agree that the new CC’s are leaning to much towards luxury, instead of off road worthiness, (smaller rims, bigger sidewalks, maybe even cloth interior).
Great video 🤗
Great review, thanks.
Was surprised how V90 cc did way better compared to A6 allroad in the 3-way slip test! 🤯🤯🤯 Great review! Thanks for reviewing lifted station wagons in an offroad!! 🤩 🍻
Great reviews. Some time ago I watched a guy do similar tests in multiple brands. One other thing he did when he took them offroad was to test the body integrity. In one of the most body twisting runs, he stopped to see if the front doors would open. Some did, some didn't.
I can't remember the channel's name, but it's based on Australia and they have cool and tough tests to help people choose what's best on road, off-road, and towing in the real world! Too bad we Americans cannot get the same models, options and Diesel engine choices that the Aussies get to choose from! Our "climate and safety" regs force us to get inferior options but usually more luxury and comfort options on the ones that are here! While most won't ever see dirt or the "bush", it would be nice to have the option for those who want to actually use the vehicle for more than transporting kids to soccer practice in luxury that most can't afford the top trim anyway! We should at least get a bare bones utility model that's tough , gets decent mileage via diesel and is more affordable like the rest of the world enjoys.. 🤷♂️
@@bwmclaurincarexpert?
@@bwmclaurinthe US has much lower emissions standards than Australia lmfao
It's got a good awd system, but those tires aren't doing it any favors.
Air suspension is only on the rear of the S90 and V90
I have 8 of those wheels, summer set and winter set and they are 21's
My 2018 v90cc t6 polestar also has rear air suspension, that wasn't noted on that test car during testing.
One of my bigger gripes with my V60 recharge, is i couldnt get the PHEV drivetrain in a V60 CC or V90 CC. I scraped my front lip within my first 3 months of ownership. That, and (though i never had to live with it) sensus always seemed to be a much better laid out UI than android automotive
Gorgeous car ! If I would afford it,I would pay all that money for it !
I haven't seen a Volvo on the channel in a thousand years
The best all round vehicle you can buy. A pleasure to own and drive.
Looking forward to the one day of snow we get here in the UK to try out my XC60 Polestar Eng.
Haldex has gotten better with each generation and 5 is really good.
Since 2019 it's 6th.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers No it’s still 5 gen. BorgWarner owns Haldex but it’s still the 5 gen. Their is no 6th gen haldex yet
@@v60polestar88There is 6th, it's in Borg Warner specifications.
@@v60polestar88You are wrong, there is VI.
It's typical for European car manufacturers to only export the high-end versions of their cars to the US. Here in Sweden you can, if you really want to, get one of these with a diesel powertrain, 17-18 inch wheels with tires from Finnish Nokian and even a manual transmission at one point, they did discontinue the manual though so only automatic in the later years. Just like with American cars in the US, you can get the lower trim lines of European cars in Europe. You could get a real basic spec V90 Cross Country with cloth seats, 190hp diesel engine, manual transmission (only some years), and no fancy features like sunroof or cooled seats or whatever. These options are much simpler and is also why European cars are seen as more reliable in Europe than in the US, because you guys in the US always get the most expensive, most complicated versions of cars.
In terms of other brands you can get very simple, cloth seated, no frills Audis, BMWs and Mercedes' as well, they're decently reliable compared to the fully specced out V8:s and V6:s and I6 with all the gimmicky electronics features.
Diesel is sooo 20th century … the single worst thing about Europe generally is diesel vehicles … they really are horrible for local air & breathing
I had one of these as a rental and I loved it! I would get one if it didn't cost so much
Asside from the Hornet, I'm curious if any manufacturer contacted TFL to say that they've improved their AWD system as a result of these tests.
Yes they have actually!
Example? @@TFLcar
I've seen a lot of off-road \ bumpy path \ deep snow videos of the Ford Maverick ... including TFL's video of the Maverick Hybrid getting loaded to the max with logs & compared to the Santa Cruz up Truth and Dare. Yet the non-hybrid Maverick AWD hasn't been on the rollers yet. I'm wondering how much wheel slip is going on before it transfers torque to a wheel with grip
The tailgate kick thing works perfect if you don't have a kicking seasure when you try it.
Love our '18 V90
Cool shades 😎
I LOVE the v90
Agree, low profile tires are a lot easier to stone and pothole bruise.
Low profile tires are beyond stupid. I live in the Denver metro area, and the roads are crap here. I have intentionally left 16-inch rims on my 2003 Excursion and run 35' tires so that I have sidewall flex. I never get flats. My ex had an Audi S6 and had flats all of the time...
The central display is 9" not 12.3". The 12.3" display is ahead of you (tach and speed).
Love Volvo I have a 2020 XC90 T6 Inscription AWD same color interior as this wagon
Volvo awd works very well also falls a part very well. Had a few. Switched to Subaru five years ago, now just drive without fear to pay top dollar now and then just for having fun in snow.
Similar story to me. Have had 3 Volvos over the years, older ones were bombproof, newer they were the more issues for me.
Looked at the V60cc but when I told the dealer what I wanted it for he looked a bit worried. So I picked up a 2023 Outback to replace my 2019 one. No regrets. I don’t think the Volvo would have lived up to being used regularly on farm tracks, winter unploughed roads and river banks.
So ca you do something like this with the v60 cross country, or set them up with each other?
Love this and the A6 All Road…decisions…
Live in CO near west entrance Rocky Mountain NP. 2018 v90 CC with CPO factory warranty and additional third party extended warranty. base edition, non air suspension. Coming up on 60K service, and have received wildly conflicting recommendations on draining ( not power flushing) transmission fluid, haldex and diff fluids. Volvo dealer sticks to lifetime protocol and warns CPO policy is voided by breaking seal. Indy shops swear by 50K fluid changes. Problem: my inclination is for proper preventative maintenance, but since warranties cover failures, it seems like not replacing fluids is most economical for me, but stupid and wasteful as a practice. Welcome thoughts on the topic.
You should do the Eclass All Terrain next!
many cars have this system, applying breaks to the spinning wheel. Problem i've had (several times) is my check engine light might be on for a 'bad' catalytic converter, and that deactivates the traction control (not sure why), which has turned my Land Cruiser into a 1-wheel drive vehicle, on occasion. Most annoying. I think Mercedes uses a similar system. Just don't get why the CE light would deactivate TC.
that seems like not an Cross country, but the regular one...
agree 18" wheels... another 1" of ground clearance...
but... I love it.... soo good looking..
wish they did a t8 version with 18" Ko2's...
What is the highest performing off road wagon?
would love a plug in hybrid v8 9" of ground clearance but low roof...
Love my Xc70..(
Tommy...that car has 21 inch wheels, not 20s. They look great, but as you said, they are not the wheels you want to use to take the car off road. The would be better on an R-Design model (had an "18..fantastic car), which sadly has been discontinued in the US. Would love to see you guys test the V60 Polestar Engineered (I have a '23 and it's an incredible car)...the rear axle is only powered by electric motors, so I'd be interested to see how it does.
Wireless CarPlay?
Is it reliable?
Need to have a key in your poker when you wave your leg behind your car to open the tailgate
Not joking, the 🔥🔥🔥You have EVER Been Mr Tommy oooh wee! Boy does Volvo suit you! A wagon no less!! You know that meme where James McAvoy is 🌬himself? Yeah! 😂 - That aside goes w/o saying I ❤my 850R 😂 wagon. I'm not a huge fan of the lifted ones, but rather this than a fugly Legacy! & now that they're hybrids, even better! EV soon enough too👍
I like the high ground clearance. Though I'd probably prefer the diesel engine.
Brand and name of the rollers?😊
If this thing came with 20's, that shouldn't be too difficult. According to Tire Tack, you can go down to a 235/55-18 which opens up the Nitto Nomad Grappler and BFG Trail-Terrain A/T.
That is exactly the size I fitted to mine. Absolutely zero issues. Ifitted the Hankook Dynapro in this size. Great tyre.
Esta Guayín está bien chula 💜💜💜!
The leather looks nice, but I worry about that many electronics in a car. After the warranty, the car will be an expensive fix...
I really wish they would have kept the 2.5 5Cylinder in these models should have been amazing .
i think it would look better w smaller wheels
Love the larger wheels.
Thanks, Tommy, not to be mistaken with XC90 which is a train wreck. IMHO best AWD system is the AUDI Quattro system
There is no such thing like "Audi quattro system". There is over twenty types of awd systems hidden under "quattro" badge.
I don't think Cross Country in this application insinuates any off-road capability. It is simply meaning it will take you, your passengers, and the cargo comfortably across the country. A traditional highway cruising station wagon. Nothing more than that.
You're right. Volvo doesn't intend this for real off-roading. It is simply a better option for someone who'll be driving in snow/ice or gravel roads every now and then, not real off-roading. It is a great car for the adventerous people who might wanna take their family or friends on a long road trip up some mountain gravel roads to hike or something like that, but it is indeed not an off-roading vehicle.
Did you miss the bit where they engaged off road mode?
Need a v50 again
This V90 has too many upgrades. I got my 2020 V90CC T6 back in late 2020 for just under 49K before tax.
All I would care about with this vehicle is its performance in snowy any icy on road conditions.
Performs better then my half ton and both have winter tires
I love v90CC.
Is it still Haldex 5th Gen?
Since 2019 it's 6th.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers OK thank you, I see... do you have a link to documentation about what changed from 5th gen?
@@IvanToman Weight reduction from 42 to 36 kg, brushless motor. I don't have a link but it was somewhere on Borg Warner news.
@@IvanTomanGot them but can't put them here.
Volvo V90 or Audi A6 Allroad? both are similar price tag ...which one people generally inclined towards..
3:56 V90 is a wagon/estate - not sedan
“At no point there is jerk in this vehicle…”
What the heck, man!? That’s a poopy way to call out Geoff. I mean, as a stuffed bear, he’s got no way to defend himself.
Drem car?
👍👍👍👍👍
95% of buyers will offroad their AWD in the grass beside their driveway - if that.
nice Swedish car.
Correction: The car in the clip got 21” wheels and not 20” !!
I’d go for the regular v90 anyway. Not tall or big enough for most US buyers. In the US big means luxury🤪 Go get yourself a $70000 Dodge Ram Hemi Truck/Grocery getter😀
How come there is no mention this is a haldex system? FWD based system with transverse engine is extremely relevant for AWD system, and even comparing this to an A6 allroad or E-class without mentioning this seems kind of weak.
Petrol A6 Allroad also has FWD based awd system.
"this is one you're going to want to pay attention to" so which videos should we ignore?
try m340i or m3 touring instead..
Bought a 3 month old one in 2018 for 35k D4 pro . Now it’s £61k - won’t be buying another
Rear wheel slip test is pointless.
Impressive looking vehicle, can’t wait for someone to buy it and absorb the 65% loss in the first three years.
And then you will find out why it lost 65% of it's value.
I don't understand the point of the rear wheel slip test-what does it prove?. Its a front wheel drive biased car and those wheels have traction.
Indeed.
Volvo knows 99% of their customers will never be taking these vehicles far from their suburban enclaves much less off road, hence the showroom appeal of the 20” wheels and the Italian rubber.
It's typical for European car manufacturers to only export the high-end versions of their cars to the US. Here in Sweden you can, if you really want to, get one of these with a diesel powertrain, 17-18 inch wheels with tires from Finnish Nokian and even a manual transmission at one point, they did discontinue the manual though so only automatic in the later years. Just like with American cars in the US, you can get the lower trim lines of European cars in Europe. You could get a real basic spec V90 Cross Country with cloth seats, 150hp diesel engine, manual transmission (only some years), and no fancy features like sunroof or cooled seats or whatever. These options are much simpler and is also why European cars are seen as more reliable in Europe than in the US, because you guys in the US always get the most expensive, most complicated versions of cars.
In terms of other brands you can get very simple, cloth seated, no frills Audis, BMWs and Mercedes' as well, they're decently reliable compared to the V8:s and V6:s and I6 with all the gimmicky electronics features.
Wrong … Americans take their wagons on long road trips often
Great looking car, but… if I wanted an AWD wagon I would get a Subaru outback.
People who buy a V90 are not looking to go off-road. They want the al wheel drive to get them to the kids activities and the supermarket in the snow and slippery conditions.
i think i'd rather go for the xc60 instead if i look for an offroader volvo
Honestly had no ides it was a wagon until he showed and said it was a wagon
Looks like a great car, but those tyres aren't even suitable for tarmac roads round here, let alone anything offroad.
Are you sure this isn't the Cross Country Club model?
Lol, my 17k Suzuki AWD Vitara can beat those slip tests easily.