That's a ridiculous statement. Even in it's current state, EV tech is more proven and enjoys better infrastructure. If the future you speak of is 100 years from now... Maybe you could be right then. But by then, battery tech will have evolved leaps and bounds over anything else.
Electric power is impossible for things like heavy machinery and trucks. It just doesn't work. The range in electric trucks is crap, but if they add more batteries, the load capacity plummets. So I'm counting on Toyota to save the best thing in the world, IC engines
@@dennis_nl7587 lol bro I just said that they have electric heavy machinery. Stop moving the goal posts and admit you’re not that confident in your “argument “
12:43 Well The majority of Ammonia is produced via Haber Bosch process which requires Hydrogen as input to start out with thus first we produce the Hydrogen mainly from Natural Gas via SMR and WGSR process and then we combine that Hydrogen with Nitrogen in the Haber Bosch process to make the Ammonia so just another energy loss process in the middle in order to feed a low efficiency ICE.
ammonia's easier to store, safer to handle, and more energy dense. add to that green ammonia production, as well as waste ammonia production being painfully ignored for years if not decades. absolutely the fuel of the future. we use ammonia in cheap gun powder or explosives, but cant run our cars on the stuff?
@@LorenzoJ0 actually depends. In fact, ammonia was one of the first gases to be present during earth formation and regularly absorbed by plants, trees & soil. Overall yeah, it's toxic to some but frankly it's not as bad as methane itself 🤷🏽♂️
@@LorenzoJ0 Yes anhydrous ammonia, which would be the one to be used for ICE, is highly toxic, it is a neurotoxin, highly corrosive,... with a category 4 environmental hazard label. @ShardulIyer sure ammonia is a nitrogen carrier that readily dissolves in water and with it is widely used in producing fertilizer compounds, however high concentration of ammonia solutions will kill plant life and there are only a "few" microbes that can survive high ammonia concentrations thus unless you are one of those microbes it is still better for you to avoid it.
@@daslynnter9841 anhydrous ammonia, which is a gas, might have a higher volumetric specific energy and is less explosive than H2 but it's not safer to handle as it is highly corrosive, a neurotoxin and considered a category 4 environmental hazard. It has a low gravimetric energy value so you carry more weight, it is difficult to ignite (good in regards to safety, bad for use inside an ICE), very picky about the mixing ratio, storage in a vehicle also has its challenges and there are few other quirks thus the why it is not considered widely which is common sense and not painfully ignored. As for playing the harp for green Ammonia production --> please tell me how much of the currently over 230 million tons of ammonia that are annually produced globally are from "green" production methods?
They didn’t need to “liquify” the hydrogen. That’s the costly part, not for them but for the customer. Electrolysis isn’t the difficult part…at all. The reason they liquified the hydrogen after remaking the internal combustion compartment of the engine was to ensure the customer couldn’t make the liquid hydrogen themselves. Electrolysis separates the oxygen from the hydrogen. It is not a costly or difficult task to do. Instead of having just a hydrogen tank, they should have had the electrolysis onboard the vehicle and had a pressurized tank hold only the amount about to be used. That way there would be no risk of explosion. The mileage would be far greater than using liquid hydrogen which is a wasteful way of using hydrogen.
@@imilegofreak so energy is never lost they say but only transferred. In this case, it starts with a charged battery, but the battery would produce more energy than it creates. The power the hydrogen provides would be greater than the charge required for electrolysis. After the start of the engine, the alternator would create the rest of the hydrogen through electrolysis. Additionally, adding steps like break charging, and adding a turbo.
It won't work. From a thermodynamics perspective, the energy needed to split water into hydrogen and oxygen is at most the same amount of energy you'd get by burning the hydrogen and oxygen. This means you wouldn't be able to generate hydrogen and power the car at the same time without a net excess of energy in the system, which violates the fundamental law that energy cannot be created, only transferred from one state to another. This idea is similar to expecting to get more energy out of a battery than you put into it. In reality, if you put 1 kW into a battery, you can only get 1 kW back from it in a perfect world. In your scenario, it would be like expecting to get 2 kW back from the battery, which is like expecting a perpetual motion machine, and that's not realistic.
@@timothyhackett7372 not necessarily. That’s assuming it takes the same amount of energy to split hydrogen from oxygen to the energy created from an explosion created by hydrogen. The factor you’re not taking into account is the oxygen added for free from the atmosphere to combined with the hydrogen to create the explosion. A great example of this is a turbo, which uses biproduct to increase productivity with no loss to consumer energy. It’s not energy from nowhere, but like the FMA series the law of equivalent exchange. Combining oxygen from the atmosphere with hydrogen is not the same as hydrogen connected to an oxygen molecule. Both hydrogen and oxygen are flammable. By separating the hydrogen from the oxygen molecule through electrolysis, the hydrogen atoms not needing ignited would pull in oxygen from a cylinder during the explosion of the piston moving down, and during the full rotation of a cylinder, it compresses oxygen and hydrogen for the next explosion. Not all the energy is being used to move vs the components as you assume. The weight of the pistons creates momentum that can be gained during a rotation and is further enhanced by gravity tipping the scales to increase energy production per cycle.
The size of the tanks is not only because they made them safer, it is about Hydrogen's much lower density in terms by volume. If gasoline and hydrogen are both in liquid form, for the same energy, hydrogen would need 6 times larger tanks than a gasoline.
The slight problem with ammonia is the fact that it produces NOx gasses as the produce of combustion, which is literally the pollution. They would need to figure out some SERIOUS filters
the majority of the byproducts are still water and n2 and as he said its still more eco friendly then gasoline engines and with proper filtering i would bet it can blow electric cars out of the water as well if its really 10 times more efficient since in study's if you add up the carbon emission's from an electric cars output from manufacturing to end of life its only about a 1/2 to a 1/3rd less emission's then a fuel efficient gasoline internal combustion engine's
@beardedbarnstormer9577 Nitrogen is in large numbers in the atmosphere, but its compounds are a small part of the produce of the combustion process. Not sure current converters would suffice if the nitrogen is gonna be the fuel itself. Bigger converters might not be enough, so that's why I meant some new, capable filters
This engine has been created in the early 60s. Many have all been created since then and have worked flawlessly. Just like electric cars in the 1880s. Certain tech isn't ready for the public to use, for numerous reasons. Do people forget about the engine which ran on anything?
When I worked at lowes distribution, all of our fork lifts were hydrogen powered. We had dumping stations for them when they filled up with water and the water was converted to our septic system. Talk about efficiency.
The one thing that every single one of these videos forgets to mention is that both Korea and Japan are all-in on fusion reactor power plants, the byproduct of which is H2.
Nuclear fusion is still likely decades away from producing net positive energy output. Additionally, the byproduct of fusion is helium rather than hydrogen
Currently I cannot see how hydrogen could be as cost effective as petroleum or Electric. I did see an article that Japan was able to produce Hydrogen as a by product of their research into future nuclear energy production. Apart from that I think it will remain high priced for a long time if not forever.
@@hawaiiangunnerresearch hydrogen refill stations for this. They are all in California and can only refill a few cars before they need to be taken down to re-pressurize for a couple of hours. The current hydrogen cars get about 300-400 miles in range before needing to refuel and it can cost anywhere from $10-$17 per gallon (essentially) to do so. Gas is around $5 on average and electric charging costs about $2 if you recharge overnight. Hydrogen may have a future, but it is a long ways away and I don't see it overcoming electric. I see hydrogen replacing large diesel based vehicles though, as that is a weak spot for electric.
@@tye2304 I understand that but that is not how the new technology is working. New technology has instantaneous hydrogen creation for your fuel injection. There is no substantial hydrogen storage in the new vehicles. That includes Toyota
I heard a Stat once that 3 percent of the world's power goes into producing liquid ammonia. Another thing to consider is solar makes power when few people need it. Some farms are disconnected around noon. There's nowhere to store the power. Diverting that production into ammonia liquidation seems like a good solution.
@@srsgoblin Nah, not even toyota is as dense. This feels more like some amateur pr project for school or something. The Mirai is more efficient than this and its already in production and flopping worse than the challenger. They wouldnt be so dense as to try to sell a worse, less efficient car, with none of the advantages of an electric power train and all of the disadvantages of the h2 infrastructure...
its hydrogen with hydrogens in it. lol yes h2o separated with electrolysis is h without the o ie no longer h2o. since electricity is not an element no added element is in the equation. o is released and the h is captured. but hydrogen and oxygen both are extremely volatile.
I worked with Hyzon Electric trucks when I was an experimental truck driver and Mech. Engineer. Hydrogen is very cool. Hoping they perfect this technology. Currently I own a 2008 Tacoma, I bought new, and a TDi 2012 Jetta. It would be incredible to see Toyota effectively launch their new line
in horse carriage days, they used to say they would NEVER buy a petrol engine car since there are places with no petrol stations and what if they run out of petrol in the middle of no where. in 2024, there are people STILL RUN OUT of petrol in the middle of no where. and yes, there are many places with NO PETROL STATION in sight. you just need to plan your trip.
🤷🏻♂️ Cars naturally became the consumers choice. Where as Governments are forcing EVs on to us, because of course we gotta pay for the pollution. Not their rich pals that cause the majority of it. That seems like a counter argument too me. Lmo In NA Tesla is the only option to have access to a decent and consistent infrastructure. Third party chargers are inconsistent and far less numerous. There's other draw backs. If you don't got a house with a garage to store and charge it your screwed in cold climates. If you need too tow heavy stuff, EVs definitely ain't it. Battery drains just as fast as if you held throttle all the way for the whole trip. Performance EVs for the most part suck outside of straight line acceleration. The best ones are too expensive for the avg consumer. Face the facts. Electric is nowhere near ready for mass adoption, especially in a huge country like States. If you don't travel much, and don't drive far it's probably a decent alternative. Otherwise just get a Honda or Toyota hybrid.
I’ve done quite a bit with E85 (77-90% tested) I’ve managed to improve MPG on my v8 FFV with case specific mods, there’s more to be harnessed with tuning. Stay in touch for future results
Whether it's a fuel cell or ICE system, hydrogen still has the energy density issue. Unless they find a nontoxic compound to liquefy it or bond it to a holder I don't see it being a much better alternative to batteries.
I'd love to have HICE. The same formula for fun cars with manual trans and exhaust sounds, while still being an alternative to gasoline sounds like a good deal.
Hydrogen still has the problem that it takes a lot of energy to compress it for storage and you even lose small amounts of it over time because it's atomically so small it's difficult to contain so big heavy tanks as well. We need to figure out a way to use water as the fuel source and split the hydrogen and oxygen and take in extra O2 from the atmosphere. Stan Meyers supposedly had done it...
Stan Metters was a fraud. Water is nott a fuel source. You have to use energy to split water to produce hydrogen. The process of turning the energy released by burning hydrogen into mechanical energy is only around 25% efficient. That is because of the laws of thermodynamics. This is why hydrogen is a dead end.
@@FryPanProtogen Stanley Meyer*, try getting his name right. He was a scammer. He never demonstrated his engine to anyone, and his patents just show a basic hydrolysis setup. Anyone can claim to make a car that runs on water, but why would you believe it without evidence?
Someone probably came to him and said you need to sell your invention and all of it's rights to a company. He didn't so they killed him and took everything he had. After Tesla died they took all of his paperwork notes and anything he was working on at the time. Bill Gates didn't invent windows. Steve jobs didn't invent the iPhone those people took it to the market.
@@Mike_44 He died 8 years after his initial scam claim he never proved to actually have... What is more likely: There is lizard people controler secret government who goes around killing random people, or someone lied?
Soo much technology and knowledge has been lost to time. It's even more sad when you know that some knowledge and technology has been purposely supressed
What's not ever mentioned regarding electrolysis and hydrogen creation, is that the liberation of hydrogen from water, is increased and continues to increase at low power when a closed loop is created. When the gas recombines back to water, that water must be recycled back to the electrolysis tank. The water molecular becomes easier to break down into hydrogen the more times the H2O mol gose through the cycle and requires less and less Watts to get the same volume of gas.
@@BMW_Supremacy I stand corrected, I read somewhere that he would be incorporating hydrogen into future car development but that turned out to be bogus. He evidently said yesterday that it’s “silly” as an automotive fuel source. 🤷♂️
Hydrogen ibc engines can work it just has a large range for ignition it has a range for flashing unlike gasoline the ratio for combustion can be measured at 14:1 hydrogen has a problem with pre ignition and it also burns very hot. If the pistons and the engine get to warm it will ignite and throw off the timing.
I used to be a nissan fan. Then I got my drivers license and landed myself with a lexus is200 for my second car. Toyota is the best manufacturer hands down. A company that produces reliable, economic and most importantly good sounding better than any other. 1m miles LS400, hybrid and now hydrogen systems that are ahead of the game. And sound? 3 letters, L F A.
The grid has been proven to not be able to handle the majority of the population using EVs. Untill we have more Nucular reactors powering the grid, EVs won't be the right move to focus on. We need to focus on the power source, not the appliances.
@@jameso1447I don't know man, the 15 kWp on the roof of my house can handle an EV easily. It's just lovely seeing all these people spewing their uninformed opinions as fact. And as a matter of fact EVs can even be the answer to the energy storage problem with renewables. Vehicle2grid is the keyword here.
@@AN0NYM00S Cost of buying EV $40,000. Cost of charging EV $5. Do you imagine that your solar panels could make enough energy to build the car OR the solar panels? Get your feet on the ground on this.
Hydrogen is highly explosive in a wide ratio of fuel to air mixtures. Also: Hydrogen embrittlement, also known as hydrogen-assisted cracking or hydrogen-induced cracking, is a reduction in the ductility of a metal due to absorbed hydrogen. Hydrogen atoms are small and can permeate solid metals. Once absorbed, hydrogen lowers the stress required for cracks in the metal to initiate and propagate, resulting in embrittlement. Also: To exist as a liquid, H2 must be cooled below its critical point of 33 K. However, for it to be in a fully liquid state at atmospheric pressure, H2 needs to be cooled to 20.28 K (−252.87 °C; −423.17 °F). And: Compressed hydrogen in hydrogen tanks at 350 bar (5,000 psi) and 700 bar (10,000 psi) is used for mobile hydrogen storage in hydrogen vehicles.
This is so weird. This morning I searched on the Toyota website for Hydrogen fueled cars. A chatbot popped up asking if it could help me. And I asked the chatbot, if Toyota was considering producing a smaller car like the Toyota Yaris Cross to be fitted with hydrogen technologie. In my eyes the most suited of their smaller cars as it gives more space for the tanks. And now I see this video. I do so hope we will be able to buy a small hydrogen car in three to five years time.
Hydrogen is terrible fuel. It leaks, even through solid metal. It takes more power to compress it than the fuel energy you get out of it. If you want to see how to use hydrogen as fuel research HHO Stan Meyers system.
this video is so out of date, Toyota already announced they have out of HYDROGEN business because of the charging difficulties. Its just overwhelming problem to overcome.
Hydrogen still has every other problem a traditional ICE engine has. High maintenance costs, frequent maintenance required, reliance on oil significantly higher than that of electric, the need to farm or synthesize fuel. Not to mention the challenges of storing enough hydrogen to have a decent range and the cost of the hydrogen itself. Electric still has its issues, but one proper electricity storage breakthrough will solve those. Faster charging, longer ranges, and greener batteries are already improvements we see happening, and there are real possibilities we will see a huge leap in the near future.
unless batteries for evs come way down like from the $12 K + that it is now to that of say $200. imo Evs are more of a waste as no one will opt to pay for a ev battery when the veh gets "old" so basically a one time use vehicle. theres a ton of things that need to get done whichever way you look at it. I for one dont think the ev is the way forward due to al the issues it has currently.
@@dee1089 Your own comment has that basic key word "currently". Batteries are improving every single year, especially now when more companies start investing more money into R&D. We have multiple promising battery technologies which have been shown to work, issue is just scalability of its production. Batteries are the future.
As an electronics engineer, nope. You can expect like a momentary decrease, then watch the battry prices rise again. All that lithium and RnD can only do so much.@@Zripas Electric is a momentary fixture, nothing mofe
@@bigbadt Just go and check battery prices over the years... Its going down. Then look at battery capacity and its performance, that one is going up. Aka there is steady progress with battery technology without any actual limitation in sight. We have multiple battery technologies even today which would be a huge deal if scaling of its production was solved. Electric is the future, its only question how long it will take to reach the point where even considering any other alternative looks foolish.
@@dee1089 "One time use vehicle"?? A modern battery pack with thermal management is good for around 200k - 250k miles... at which point, you could buy a used reconditioned pack instead of paying full price for a new pack. Just like with an old ICE vehicle, you probably wouldn't buy a brand new engine when the old one gets worn out, you'd buy a reconditioned engine.
To extract Hydrogen or ammonium, electricity is use to generate or separate Hydrogen from the atmosphere. Petroleum is required to generate Electricity and Electricity is use for the process of Electrolysis or separation of Hydrogen or Ammonium from the atmosphere or any other sources. At last, Petroleum must be used to generate Electricity and Electricity is usec in the process of Electrolysis. So, the Chinese Dialect says 'Lan Par is also Par Lan'. (Meaning the same - Petroleum must be used)
14:29 also recycling a battery is almost impossible, and the environmental damage caused by rare metals extraction is absolutely brutal. In the current state of technology, we should have never embraced electrification.
Who told you that batteries aren't recyclable? You do realise that an EV battery can be repaired by replacing just one cell instead of throwing the whole thing away. The reason OEMs quote battery "repairs" (even though they are actually REPLACEMENTS) so high is because they went waaaay over their head when it comes to the production and maintaining of EVs. Its a shame because its a really useful tech which has now had its image tarnished because some govs and companies wanted to make a quick buck, instead of concentrating on making the world a better place.
@@markospehar584 I didn’t say they were impossible to recycle, I said “almost”. The recycling process is still in its infancy, and the energy required to do it far exceeds any “green” advance of electrification. And if you consider how raw materials are extracted, where, on what’s conditions, how energy intensive they are, and how much they pollute, I think you’ll agree we are decades away from from having the necessary technology to make current batterie technology “green”. Take a look at a lithium mine and its effects on water sources - that should be enough to make anyone question the viability of electrification at our current technological know-how.
personally, I think evs are better, their is still less efficiency with hydrogen, since you need to use the electricity to produce hydrogen, then again burn that hydrogen into heat energy. Whereas, in evs you store electricity and use it directly. Less steps make evs more efficient. Beside, I wouldn't want to carry around a pressurized bomb in my car.
You have no idea what you are saying and apparently didn't listen.. look up the absolute destruction of Chile and Peru. They absolutely destroyed the very little water they had.. for every 60 tons of that useless destructive lithium mining they 1 million+ liters of FRESH water.. to dissolve sulfuric acid.. it destroys the land genius.. and since you have no idea what energy density means look it up.. Ev's are absolutely useless and worthless..
Nobody’s buying EVs anymore n companies are losing 10s of millions in trying to push them in the American economy. Hydro is a fuel substitute that deserves a chance.
@@ambitiousvisionaire1954 Where did you get that from bro? China's BYD was the biggest seller in the world and in no. 2 was tesla ? Both of them are EV producers. The other combustion engine companies are way behind them in just only a few years, and you are telling me no one is buying EVs. And in USA EVs are expensive because US have put a 100% tariff on chinese EVs, since they can't compete with them. Apart from sells, if you look at a combustion engine, most of it energy is bound to be lost in the atmosphere. The cycles can't be completed without losing the hot exhaust gases releasing even in Hydrogen engines. So, they can never be as efficient as EVs. Moreover battery technology is improving really fast. In about 10 years or so , batteries would store more energy that traditional fuel cylinders.
@@ambitiousvisionaire1954EVs are much more efficient and the sales aren't as bad as the news makes them out to be. Tesla's Model Y was the best selling car worldwide last year and BYD is doing well.
Let us not fool ourselves. It is all simple arithmetic. Just count the number of parts to make an ICE against the number of parts of the electric motor. Moreso, how long does it build an ICE against 1 electric motor? So how can we say that is the way to the future?
Just ignore the environmental disaster to produce lithium batteries or the fact EVs still are largely recharging off coal powered power stations. EVs just hide the environmental damage in the supply chain. Green energy produced hydrogen is massively more environmentally friendly
The aluminium alloy engine had entered the prototype phase last month, which is the best engine for hydrogen combustion Well ammonia is also not a very good choice as NH3 + O2 ----> NO2 + H2O NO2 is a very poisonous gas and also increases acid rain to which is quite bad. There should be a unit installed to just separate hydrogen from ammonia during combustion or an NO2 filter to become extremely eco-friendly
Lol, good luck getting a hydrogen fill! This is not revolutionary the president of the American hydrogen association had a 100% hydrogen truck many years ago! Toyota hasn’t developed anything new. Do you know how expensive hydrogen is right now? I hardly doubt that they are going to be disruptive. This is years away and it’s already behind the times.
@@jezraeltorres-lebron8707I haven't watched the video but that seems somewhat impossible. It takes more energy to make hydrogen than the hydrogen itself will produce so you need something like a battery to do that on the go. Maybe a solar panel but for that wouldn't you want an electric car for better efficiency?
Why do you wanna beat it up know your needs more air into the flow of the hydrogen. Makes it 10 times more combustible. The problem is making it. I’m not talking about liquid hydrogen. That’s different like they use on the space shuttle that’s a different kind of hydrogen it has to be below a certain temperature way below.
Can't be convinced with anything other than Electric as it does not need much engineering or services and can be charged for free as well! Some companies are still fighting to keep maintenance cycles. However, it costs to keep having money back from it.
Fun fact, modern General Motors EVs are not powered by lithium ion batteries. They are powered by Nickel Cobalt Manganese Aluminum (NCMA) batteries. All are extremely abundant elements and the Cobalt is very minimal (less that 5%) too due to the non-recyclablity of it. Very much less polluting to manufacture as well
Toyota Mirai customers are filing class action suits against Toyota, as H2 is hugely expensive, there are few places to fill up (only in CA and mostly around major population centers) and the refill stations are frequently out of H2, so you have to hope you have enough H2 left to go somewhere else. I don't believe that an IC engine burning H2 will improve H2 car mileage, as IC engines have far more loss due to heat, moving parts and IC specific systems like water pumps, water coolers, oil pumps injection systems, transmissions, etc., all of which require energy.
I really hope this comes to fruition. I don’t like the idea of EVs. The governments globally should be financing more of this than ridiculous EVs which are also are impractical.
@@devFedake I will agree to disagree with you. I will never own an EV in my lifetime if you can’t go at least 800 km without charging as that is as far as I can get on a tank with my current car and if they can’t charge within a few minutes you can forget it. They are far from superior. As far as I’m concerned they are shite. They also need to do something to make them sound like a bloody car.
EVs use batteries which is made out of Earth's rare minerals. Why do you think China mines those precious things in 3rd world countries? Mining is literally killing Earth.
@@devFedake Sure. Everyone will drive an EV if only 20 million people survive that long. Maybe we can run on solar power if we cover 70% of Earth's surface in solar panels after strip mining 90% of Earth's land area.
@@jameso1447 to cover current needs of the entire planet in terms of electric energy we would only need to cover a square of 100km by 100km in the sahara desert. I'm sorry you are misinformed and emotional but try to look past that and do your own research.
Ammonia sounds promising but I remember growing up in Houston when a tanker truck carrying ammonia crashed on the intersection of 610 Loop and Southwest Freeway falling off an elevated roadway onto the pavement below rupturing the tank and killing the driver and every living thing the ammonia gas contacted including all the plant life such as grass leaving a huge brown area of dead grass surrounding where the tanker landed. I have never forgotten in the decades since this happened how deadly the ammonia gas was. Not to mention that I routinely use ammonia as a disinfectant to clean my kitchen and bathroom floors. If an ammonia powered car should crash, it had better have very sturdy tanks securing the ammonia.
Links to sponsored eshops, no link to source. When searching I found a toyota page about this which is 1,5 years old and there are even older, so what is the news?
While hydrogen technology sounds and looks like a very good future, keep in mind, the EV industry is failing because of the Li-Ion batteries only. As soon as someone figures out how to manufacture fast, cheap and easy a Solid State Battery, the story is going to change. An EV with a SSB can be fully recharged in a few minutes, can go much further and does not wear out that quickly. The only problem with SSBs right now is the manufacturing cost. That is way to high. If someone like QuantumScape for example figures out the manufacturing, we can simply swap the Li-Ion batteries in every EV to these new SSBs and keep on going. We don't need to redesign the powertrain of the vehicle. So while I still love the hydrogen future, I think the SSB technology will be the go-to tech.
I thank you Toyota so much and am so proud to be a Toyota owner. Truly God bless you for actually trying to do something good to this planet. I already knew electric vehicles weren’t the way to go when I heard lithium mining and how they get them from poor countries and how you can’t recycle lithium batteries. Thank you Toyota for doing something good to this planet. God bless you and make you the leading example to doing what right. I’m so proud to be a Toyota owner 🥲😁🙏🏽
Wrong on all counts. Lithium mining is far more environmentally friendly then continually exploiting fossil fuels. Lithium most definitely can be recycled. I suggest you take a look at the Alberta tar sands. Hydrogen is a dead end. The number of hydrogen refuelling stations is small and actually declining. Using green electricity to produce hydrogen to burn in an ICE is exremely dumb. The amount of energy lost between the electricity and the wheels will be sometthing like 90%. Remember an ICE is only 25% efficient even if it is powered by hydrogen.
Engine is always high maintenance. Engine oil, air filter, coolant, spark plugs and etc. Mechanical parts has too many wear and tear. High maintenance. Electric car is only battery and motor. Using Solar farm to charge almost can say free.
With the fuel efficiency being almost the same is that the same amount of volume consumed of material fuel or is that the cost of setfuel? Because if it's the volume of this fuel, then the cost difference between hydrogen and gasoline is astronomical.
Once they convince enough people and make it the latest "popular choice, there will be enough evidence of profitability which leads to a surge in new infrastructure. Then, it will be feasible and realistic.
My issue with hydrogon vs electric, is that I can mount solar panels and batteries on my house. And generate some if not all of the electricity that i need for driving. Hydrogen would put me back into having to buy it from a vendor. I don't think cars are where Hydrogen would shine, it would be in transport industries instead. Where the consumption is that much higher, than a regular citizen. We are at the cusp of fusion energy, if that comes, then electricity will be almost free, because of how abundent it will be. And somewhere in the future, batteries will also take a leap forward. So I have a hard time seeing Hydrogen as the answer.
Noting that in 1935 Garrett in US patented his H2 powered car, making it's own H2 through electrolysis using platinum electgrodes in a electrodes in distilled water, and the voltage upped to 12v,
Im curious, how does ammonia combustion produce emissions? 4NH³ + O² → 2N² + 6H²O Ammonia + Oxygen → Nitrogen and Water Neither nitrogen nor water are greenhouse gases, and there is no carbon even in the equation. I take it means more to do with the production of ammonia, but the phrasing seemed very poor then, seeing it specifically mentioned the engine being more eco-friendly, not ammonia as fuel source in general. There is a fully green way to produce ammonia as well, assuming electricity production is green (which we know how to do effectively, its called nuclear power, its just a matter of getting the infrastructure built), but in making green ammonia, you need pure hydrogen, so you may as well just use the hydrogen and save extra processing.
NOx gases will be created due to the temperatures of the combustion process and more NOx will be produced due to the additional Nitrogen introduced with the Ammonia. NOx is a potent greenhouse gas and also damages the ozone layer. Now sure we can scrub it from the exhaust but it still is created and if the scrubbing system is not working well it will be released into the atmosphere. It will be better to work on increasing the "green ammonia and hydrogen" production on current production processes that depend on them and do not have other alternatives available then trying to waste the energy to keep the ICE on the market for longer.
Combustion of ammonia can produce NOx which mean it will have to be fine tuned (driving cost up) to produce as little as possible, maintained (driving cost up) to keep it within emission norms and of course vulnerable to be axed by politicians at any time. Just hydrogen has non of those problems. 0 emissions no matter if it is a new engine or 20 year old barely working piece of junk owned by a meth addict with last maintenance done 10 years ago. There is also problem with zoning for fuel stations. They will basically a mini ice hockey stadiums with more ammonia and thus bigger kill zone than gasoline stations, hydrogen station and ice hockey stadium combined. We have a stadium in out city and in case of a major ammonia leak almost quarter of it will have to be evacuated according to current evacuation plans. Good luck building building this but bigger (in terms of the amount of stored ammonia) all over town.
I drive distance , so how many times would I have to fuel this to reach 500 miles , I'm not willing to spend more money. My 3/4 ton diesel will reach 550 on one tank without stopping , 32 gallon tank .
TOYOTA STOP BLUFFING ABOUT U CREATED NEW ENGINE HERE NEW ENGINE THERE.....IN THE END ALL BLUFF....JUST SHUT UP & TALK ONLY WHEN A REAL NEW ENGINE IS CREATED. !!!!!!!
VW has also transferred 50% of their EV budget into improving their ICE, but moving from one system EV with their shortcomings with charging station availability Hydrogen is no different and more expensive to fill up.
Several Problems 1. Hydrogen while readily available isn't free in our atmosphere. It is bonded with Oxygen mostly as water and that means it has to be separated. 2. The power needed to extract Hydrogen from water can be used directly to charge a battery 3. Using Electricity to extract Hydrogen from water to then store the Hydrogen to then create electricity to power a vehicle is really a waste of Energy 4. If you use a combustion engine to use Hydrogen have several issues due to the high volatile nature of Hydrogen 5. Hydrogen would need to be compressed to such a high level it would be unsafe and un feasable. 6. If you decide to go and create fuel cells then you are not getting a good return on the energy and it is very expensive and the life spans of a fuel cell would be too short. 7. Finally what is the cost of extracting all the Hydrogen to the enviornment. Instead you can use Natural Gas 1. It's readily available 2. It burns way cleaner than gasoline 3. Any Engine is easily converted 4. Much easier to compressed and convert vehicles to that fuel source.
Imagine a hydrogen resurrection for a bunch of famous and iconic engines. A brand new hydrogen 3JZ, or something. Pure HICE sports cars sounds awesome to me. It keeps what makes cars FUN.
Have you asked if owner is actually happy with that car? Because I could bet that he isn't thrilled about it. Even better, ask if next car will be hydrogen.
Thanks for the informative video! H² or NH3 both could indeed be useful fuel alternatives in the near future. However, I don't expect the US to develop infrastructure to support these vehicles as quickly as countries with greater population density like Japan or Europe
Why do they always fail to mention that with the combustion of a Hydrogen-Air mixture, there are NOx emissions? Unless they also plan to use pure oxygen in the process, or is there something else missing here...
When Toyota started they were after reliability economical and affordable. They took over the entire auto industry. That is the markets controlling the industry. The cars they started competing against weren’t around. Big v8 everywhere. But once a good issue hit. Everyone was on the affordable economical train. But they left out reliable. If you want to know that automotive future look at Toyota. We built them. Because they gave us what we didn’t know we needed. And they haven’t lost that. And that’s why they are the largest auto manufacturer in the world. My money is they will stay that way. Provided they do not lose the plot
This is the future, not electric.
this was the past but they killed the guy who invented it
That's a ridiculous statement.
Even in it's current state, EV tech is more proven and enjoys better infrastructure. If the future you speak of is 100 years from now... Maybe you could be right then. But by then, battery tech will have evolved leaps and bounds over anything else.
@@djbisisn't that exactly what they said about evs 10 - 15 years ago
@@djbisEV is still shit
do you even know how much more energy is needet to get the same amount of km/miles with a H2 powertrain in comperasent to an EV.
Electric power is impossible for things like heavy machinery and trucks. It just doesn't work. The range in electric trucks is crap, but if they add more batteries, the load capacity plummets. So I'm counting on Toyota to save the best thing in the world, IC engines
Electric is not even eco friendly as it is sold to us.
They have heavy machinery that runs on batteries
@@ricotrejo4125 And do you know how they recharge those huge batteries when a machine is working on a field or something? A big ass diesel generator
@G.C.90 the "good" sides overshadow the catastrophic bad sides
@@dennis_nl7587 lol bro I just said that they have electric heavy machinery. Stop moving the goal posts and admit you’re not that confident in your “argument “
12:43 Well The majority of Ammonia is produced via Haber Bosch process which requires Hydrogen as input to start out with thus first we produce the Hydrogen mainly from Natural Gas via SMR and WGSR process and then we combine that Hydrogen with Nitrogen in the Haber Bosch process to make the Ammonia so just another energy loss process in the middle in order to feed a low efficiency ICE.
ammonia's easier to store, safer to handle, and more energy dense. add to that green ammonia production, as well as waste ammonia production being painfully ignored for years if not decades. absolutely the fuel of the future.
we use ammonia in cheap gun powder or explosives, but cant run our cars on the stuff?
Isn't Ammonia poisonous to the environment? If so how much worse than gas if a spill happens
@@LorenzoJ0 actually depends. In fact, ammonia was one of the first gases to be present during earth formation and regularly absorbed by plants, trees & soil. Overall yeah, it's toxic to some but frankly it's not as bad as methane itself 🤷🏽♂️
@@LorenzoJ0
Yes anhydrous ammonia, which would be the one to be used for ICE, is highly toxic, it is a neurotoxin, highly corrosive,... with a category 4 environmental hazard label.
@ShardulIyer
sure ammonia is a nitrogen carrier that readily dissolves in water and with it is widely used in producing fertilizer compounds, however high concentration of ammonia solutions will kill plant life and there are only a "few" microbes that can survive high ammonia concentrations thus unless you are one of those microbes it is still better for you to avoid it.
@@daslynnter9841 anhydrous ammonia, which is a gas, might have a higher volumetric specific energy and is less explosive than H2 but it's not safer to handle as it is highly corrosive, a neurotoxin and considered a category 4 environmental hazard. It has a low gravimetric energy value so you carry more weight, it is difficult to ignite (good in regards to safety, bad for use inside an ICE), very picky about the mixing ratio, storage in a vehicle also has its challenges and there are few other quirks thus the why it is not considered widely which is common sense and not painfully ignored.
As for playing the harp for green Ammonia production --> please tell me how much of the currently over 230 million tons of ammonia that are annually produced globally are from "green" production methods?
This will never work in a normal life situation. Horses are the future.
Exactly, the most ecological solution, only emissions are biodegradable, though creates messy situation on road
@@PersonManManManManhorse diaper stocks gonna go high
they shit and poop too much on roads that there will be to much co2 walking is the future xD
less than 150 years left of natural gasses btw.
BUT BUT BUT THE HORSE FARTS ARE BAAAAADD🤣🤣🤣
The key to efficiently turning liquid fuel into a power source is to atomize (molecular) not aerosol the liquid fuel. Today's carburetors are unable.
The question is lubrication if the engine is a piston motor!
Irrelevant thermodynamics limits the efficiency of ICEs tto around 25%. Pathetic.
Carburetors??
@@GOTTHEDAWGINMEfuck, didn’t know we still use carbs on EFI engines now…. Worlds gone crazy
@@lameprofilepic3931 Going back for no reason lol
They didn’t need to “liquify” the hydrogen. That’s the costly part, not for them but for the customer.
Electrolysis isn’t the difficult part…at all.
The reason they liquified the hydrogen after remaking the internal combustion compartment of the engine was to ensure the customer couldn’t make the liquid hydrogen themselves.
Electrolysis separates the oxygen from the hydrogen. It is not a costly or difficult task to do. Instead of having just a hydrogen tank, they should have had the electrolysis onboard the vehicle and had a pressurized tank hold only the amount about to be used. That way there would be no risk of explosion. The mileage would be far greater than using liquid hydrogen which is a wasteful way of using hydrogen.
Don't bother 😂 the person who made this video doesn't know what he's talking about
Where would you take the energy from for the electrolysis on board? Batteries? Thats just an EV with extra steps.
@@imilegofreak so energy is never lost they say but only transferred.
In this case, it starts with a charged battery, but the battery would produce more energy than it creates. The power the hydrogen provides would be greater than the charge required for electrolysis. After the start of the engine, the alternator would create the rest of the hydrogen through electrolysis. Additionally, adding steps like break charging, and adding a turbo.
It won't work. From a thermodynamics perspective, the energy needed to split water into hydrogen and oxygen is at most the same amount of energy you'd get by burning the hydrogen and oxygen. This means you wouldn't be able to generate hydrogen and power the car at the same time without a net excess of energy in the system, which violates the fundamental law that energy cannot be created, only transferred from one state to another.
This idea is similar to expecting to get more energy out of a battery than you put into it. In reality, if you put 1 kW into a battery, you can only get 1 kW back from it in a perfect world. In your scenario, it would be like expecting to get 2 kW back from the battery, which is like expecting a perpetual motion machine, and that's not realistic.
@@timothyhackett7372 not necessarily. That’s assuming it takes the same amount of energy to split hydrogen from oxygen to the energy created from an explosion created by hydrogen. The factor you’re not taking into account is the oxygen added for free from the atmosphere to combined with the hydrogen to create the explosion.
A great example of this is a turbo, which uses biproduct to increase productivity with no loss to consumer energy. It’s not energy from nowhere, but like the FMA series the law of equivalent exchange.
Combining oxygen from the atmosphere with hydrogen is not the same as hydrogen connected to an oxygen molecule. Both hydrogen and oxygen are flammable. By separating the hydrogen from the oxygen molecule through electrolysis, the hydrogen atoms not needing ignited would pull in oxygen from a cylinder during the explosion of the piston moving down, and during the full rotation of a cylinder, it compresses oxygen and hydrogen for the next explosion. Not all the energy is being used to move vs the components as you assume. The weight of the pistons creates momentum that can be gained during a rotation and is further enhanced by gravity tipping the scales to increase energy production per cycle.
The size of the tanks is not only because they made them safer, it is about Hydrogen's much lower density in terms by volume. If gasoline and hydrogen are both in liquid form, for the same energy, hydrogen would need 6 times larger tanks than a gasoline.
Right energy density is a storage issue. Probably semi trucks could be good candidates because of there size
The slight problem with ammonia is the fact that it produces NOx gasses as the produce of combustion, which is literally the pollution.
They would need to figure out some SERIOUS filters
We did. That's literally what the catalytic converter does.
the majority of the byproducts are still water and n2 and as he said its still more eco friendly then gasoline engines and with proper filtering i would bet it can blow electric cars out of the water as well if its really 10 times more efficient since in study's if you add up the carbon emission's from an electric cars output from manufacturing to end of life its only about a 1/2 to a 1/3rd less emission's then a fuel efficient gasoline internal combustion engine's
Toyota is so gangster
@beardedbarnstormer9577 Nitrogen is in large numbers in the atmosphere, but its compounds are a small part of the produce of the combustion process. Not sure current converters would suffice if the nitrogen is gonna be the fuel itself.
Bigger converters might not be enough, so that's why I meant some new, capable filters
that and ammonia is extremely dangerous if there is a leak
This motor will go into production just as fast as the solid state battery Toyota has been touting for a decade.
This engine has been created in the early 60s. Many have all been created since then and have worked flawlessly. Just like electric cars in the 1880s. Certain tech isn't ready for the public to use, for numerous reasons. Do people forget about the engine which ran on anything?
Coming from the CEO of TOYTOTA,then YES,they will disrupt the Industry indeed.!!!
When I worked at lowes distribution, all of our fork lifts were hydrogen powered. We had dumping stations for them when they filled up with water and the water was converted to our septic system. Talk about efficiency.
The one thing that every single one of these videos forgets to mention is that both Korea and Japan are all-in on fusion reactor power plants, the byproduct of which is H2.
isn't the byproduct Helium? or am i wrong on that.. (im am no expert, so there might be a way to convert helium)
@@rcson9614You are correct. Fusion reactors would use hidrogene as fuel if they existed
Nuclear fusion is still likely decades away from producing net positive energy output. Additionally, the byproduct of fusion is helium rather than hydrogen
The other reason they’re so against EVs is because China controls a significant share of the market
And?
Burning NH3? How do they deal with the nitrogen oxides in the exhaust? These are heavier polluters than carbon oxides from fossil fuels.
AdBlue?
Currently I cannot see how hydrogen could be as cost effective as petroleum or Electric. I did see an article that Japan was able to produce Hydrogen as a by product of their research into future nuclear energy production. Apart from that I think it will remain high priced for a long time if not forever.
Because the car makes hydrogen out of water. You don't go and fill it up with hydrogen. You fill it up with water
@@hawaiiangunner wtf u talking about? Do you know how much energy is needed to split water into hydrogen?
@menzac8892 a lot less then u think. Go make your own hydrogen lighter first and then get back to me
@@hawaiiangunnerresearch hydrogen refill stations for this. They are all in California and can only refill a few cars before they need to be taken down to re-pressurize for a couple of hours. The current hydrogen cars get about 300-400 miles in range before needing to refuel and it can cost anywhere from $10-$17 per gallon (essentially) to do so. Gas is around $5 on average and electric charging costs about $2 if you recharge overnight. Hydrogen may have a future, but it is a long ways away and I don't see it overcoming electric. I see hydrogen replacing large diesel based vehicles though, as that is a weak spot for electric.
@@tye2304 I understand that but that is not how the new technology is working. New technology has instantaneous hydrogen creation for your fuel injection. There is no substantial hydrogen storage in the new vehicles. That includes Toyota
I heard a Stat once that 3 percent of the world's power goes into producing liquid ammonia.
Another thing to consider is solar makes power when few people need it. Some farms are disconnected around noon. There's nowhere to store the power.
Diverting that production into ammonia liquidation seems like a good solution.
I hope toyota can make 10,2,30,40 cc small hydregen engins for rc model plane with hydregen fuel suply.
I’d like to see the specs.
It's amazing how doing your own thing and not copying a poorly run company can come up with different solutions. Time will tell of its success.
Is this AI narrated?
100%
@@Taffyaptor I'm getting sick of this
Yes. AI read 0-0-0-s while it was probably a typo and meant to be 2000s (read two thousands). Human wouldnt miss that lol
@@mikolajlipinski7087 agreed. How hard is it to just narrate your own script
@@Aglai76 While I'm inclined to agree. English may not be their first language or they cant justify an expensive microphone.
Did a Toyota write this? Feels like a sales pitch
This is 100000% a PR release. Maybe there's nuggets of truth in there, but it's definitely just Toyota's marketing team putting out a press release
@@srsgoblin Nah, not even toyota is as dense. This feels more like some amateur pr project for school or something. The Mirai is more efficient than this and its already in production and flopping worse than the challenger. They wouldnt be so dense as to try to sell a worse, less efficient car, with none of the advantages of an electric power train and all of the disadvantages of the h2 infrastructure...
Toyota / Honda .. try the best vehicles out there .
Saying that hydrogen is a difficult process is crazy. We have people out here making it in the trunk of their cars to run them on.
Jar of water + 9v battery = Hydrogen generator. Voila
But is that hydrogen pure?
its hydrogen with hydrogens in it. lol yes h2o separated with electrolysis is h without the o ie no longer h2o. since electricity is not an element no added element is in the equation. o is released and the h is captured.
but hydrogen and oxygen both are extremely volatile.
I worked with Hyzon Electric trucks when I was an experimental truck driver and Mech. Engineer. Hydrogen is very cool. Hoping they perfect this technology.
Currently I own a 2008 Tacoma, I bought new, and a TDi 2012 Jetta. It would be incredible to see Toyota effectively launch their new line
in horse carriage days, they used to say they would NEVER buy a petrol engine car
since there are places with no petrol stations
and
what if they run out of petrol in the middle of no where.
in 2024, there are people STILL RUN OUT of petrol in the middle of no where.
and
yes, there are many places with NO PETROL STATION in sight.
you just need to plan your trip.
That applies to both electric and hydrogen. Have you chosen a side?
🤷🏻♂️ Cars naturally became the consumers choice. Where as Governments are forcing EVs on to us, because of course we gotta pay for the pollution. Not their rich pals that cause the majority of it.
That seems like a counter argument too me. Lmo
In NA Tesla is the only option to have access to a decent and consistent infrastructure.
Third party chargers are inconsistent and far less numerous.
There's other draw backs. If you don't got a house with a garage to store and charge it your screwed in cold climates.
If you need too tow heavy stuff, EVs definitely ain't it. Battery drains just as fast as if you held throttle all the way for the whole trip.
Performance EVs for the most part suck outside of straight line acceleration. The best ones are too expensive for the avg consumer.
Face the facts. Electric is nowhere near ready for mass adoption, especially in a huge country like States.
If you don't travel much, and don't drive far it's probably a decent alternative.
Otherwise just get a Honda or Toyota hybrid.
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Can someone explain what causes the amonia engine to not be emission free?
NH3 burned... how exactly does it produce anything CO2 related ?
It actually produces NO, which is even worse than CO2
That is because emissions aren’t only CO2 or COx, the emission of NOx also has great global warming potential
@@GorillaPolar
Thank you!
I think e85 and e100 are far more viable alternatives because cars can be retrofit to use it
I’ve done quite a bit with E85 (77-90% tested) I’ve managed to improve MPG on my v8 FFV with case specific mods, there’s more to be harnessed with tuning. Stay in touch for future results
Whether it's a fuel cell or ICE system, hydrogen still has the energy density issue. Unless they find a nontoxic compound to liquefy it or bond it to a holder I don't see it being a much better alternative to batteries.
I'd love to have HICE. The same formula for fun cars with manual trans and exhaust sounds, while still being an alternative to gasoline sounds like a good deal.
So you're saying that it's satisfying to hear a noisy internal combustion engine that is polluting our atmosphere.
Why would natural Gas not be just as eco friendly?
Hydrogen still has the problem that it takes a lot of energy to compress it for storage and you even lose small amounts of it over time because it's atomically so small it's difficult to contain so big heavy tanks as well. We need to figure out a way to use water as the fuel source and split the hydrogen and oxygen and take in extra O2 from the atmosphere. Stan Meyers supposedly had done it...
Someone already made a car that run on water, but he die and the car was stolen.
Stan Metters was a fraud. Water is nott a fuel source. You have to use energy to split water to produce hydrogen. The process of turning the energy released by burning hydrogen into mechanical energy is only around 25% efficient. That is because of the laws of thermodynamics. This is why hydrogen is a dead end.
@@FryPanProtogen You can't run a car on water. It's impossible.
@@logitech4873 Stan Myers.
@@FryPanProtogen Stanley Meyer*, try getting his name right.
He was a scammer. He never demonstrated his engine to anyone, and his patents just show a basic hydrolysis setup.
Anyone can claim to make a car that runs on water, but why would you believe it without evidence?
A fuel cell with electro motor is twice as efficient as a hydrogen internal combustion engine. Meaning the car will go twice as far on a full tank.
Anybody remember the 90s inventor who was silenced for inventing a car that ran on water?
Stanley Meyers ... dead
@@grummbunger yup.. “they poisoned me” he shouted..
Someone probably came to him and said you need to sell your invention and all of it's rights to a company. He didn't so they killed him and took everything he had.
After Tesla died they took all of his paperwork notes and anything he was working on at the time. Bill Gates didn't invent windows. Steve jobs didn't invent the iPhone those people took it to the market.
@@Mike_44
He died 8 years after his initial scam claim he never proved to actually have...
What is more likely: There is lizard people controler secret government who goes around killing random people, or someone lied?
Soo much technology and knowledge has been lost to time. It's even more sad when you know that some knowledge and technology has been purposely supressed
Isn't nitrogen bad for the ozone layer?
nitrogen makes up the majority of our atmosphere (78%)
Talk about not really talking science or figures. The whole video sounds like a Toyota commercial. No numbers.
You mean aside from where he’s talking about BMW?
Thanks this saved my 8 mins
What's not ever mentioned regarding electrolysis and hydrogen creation, is that the liberation of hydrogen from water, is increased and continues to increase at low power when a closed loop is created.
When the gas recombines back to water, that water must be recycled back to the electrolysis tank. The water molecular becomes easier to break down into hydrogen the more times the H2O mol gose through the cycle and requires less and less Watts to get the same volume of gas.
Elon has been investing heavily in Hydrogen tech. He knows electric was temporary.
😂😂 LoL
Bruh he also owns spacex... He needs hydrogen to fuel his rockets
@@BMW_Supremacy SpaceX uses liquid Methane and doesn't use Hydrogen. Please research before making wild claims
@@BMW_Supremacy space x uses methane not hydrogen
@@BMW_Supremacy I stand corrected, I read somewhere that he would be incorporating hydrogen into future car development but that turned out to be bogus. He evidently said yesterday that it’s “silly” as an automotive fuel source. 🤷♂️
Hydrogen ibc engines can work it just has a large range for ignition it has a range for flashing unlike gasoline the ratio for combustion can be measured at 14:1 hydrogen has a problem with pre ignition and it also burns very hot. If the pistons and the engine get to warm it will ignite and throw off the timing.
I like it,i hope it catches on. If any auto manufacturer can do it, Toyota can.
H2 may be good for fixed power generation not mobile too complex. Sodium/lithium ion batts are the future for personal automotive.
Not to mention that Ammonia is a bi-product from both Cattle and Pig farming.
I used to be a nissan fan. Then I got my drivers license and landed myself with a lexus is200 for my second car. Toyota is the best manufacturer hands down. A company that produces reliable, economic and most importantly good sounding better than any other. 1m miles LS400, hybrid and now hydrogen systems that are ahead of the game. And sound? 3 letters, L F A.
What about NOx gases?
We'll see. I just got myself an EV, and I love driving it. Can't see myself going back to combustion.
EV is the future, combustion will die off in the next 20 or 30 years.
The grid has been proven to not be able to handle the majority of the population using EVs.
Untill we have more Nucular reactors powering the grid, EVs won't be the right move to focus on.
We need to focus on the power source, not the appliances.
use solar
@@healer1000040 Haha. Yeah. Solar powered cars. Average speed 3 mph. Better off riding horses.
@@jameso1447I don't know man, the 15 kWp on the roof of my house can handle an EV easily. It's just lovely seeing all these people spewing their uninformed opinions as fact. And as a matter of fact EVs can even be the answer to the energy storage problem with renewables. Vehicle2grid is the keyword here.
@@AN0NYM00S Cost of buying EV $40,000. Cost of charging EV $5. Do you imagine that your solar panels could make enough energy to build the car OR the solar panels? Get your feet on the ground on this.
@@AN0NYM00Ssolar panels are expensive and they'll most likely break before you cover what would have been the electricity bill costs
Hydrogen is highly explosive in a wide ratio of fuel to air mixtures.
Also:
Hydrogen embrittlement, also known as hydrogen-assisted cracking or hydrogen-induced cracking, is a reduction in the ductility of a metal due to absorbed hydrogen. Hydrogen atoms are small and can permeate solid metals. Once absorbed, hydrogen lowers the stress required for cracks in the metal to initiate and propagate, resulting in embrittlement.
Also:
To exist as a liquid, H2 must be cooled below its critical point of 33 K. However, for it to be in a fully liquid state at atmospheric pressure, H2 needs to be cooled to 20.28 K (−252.87 °C; −423.17 °F).
And:
Compressed hydrogen in hydrogen tanks at 350 bar (5,000 psi) and 700 bar (10,000 psi) is used for mobile hydrogen storage in hydrogen vehicles.
This is so weird. This morning I searched on the Toyota website for Hydrogen fueled cars. A chatbot popped up asking if it could help me. And I asked the chatbot, if Toyota was considering producing a smaller car like the Toyota Yaris Cross to be fitted with hydrogen technologie. In my eyes the most suited of their smaller cars as it gives more space for the tanks. And now I see this video. I do so hope we will be able to buy a small hydrogen car in three to five years time.
Hydrogen is terrible fuel. It leaks, even through solid metal. It takes more power to compress it than the fuel energy you get out of it. If you want to see how to use hydrogen as fuel research HHO Stan Meyers system.
Fusion Reactors, Grid upgrade, New Lighter batteries, with safe dissapation is the future.
Until i see hydrogen at every gas station, im not buying.
this video is so out of date,
Toyota already announced they have out of HYDROGEN business because of the charging difficulties.
Its just overwhelming problem to overcome.
It is a very safe bet that you never will.
Go get a battery cage to have some good barbeque sessions on board !🤣🤣🤣🤣
You will never see this, EV is the future.
@@rel124c41a EV is the future only if the government outlaws combustion engines.
Hydrogen still has every other problem a traditional ICE engine has. High maintenance costs, frequent maintenance required, reliance on oil significantly higher than that of electric, the need to farm or synthesize fuel. Not to mention the challenges of storing enough hydrogen to have a decent range and the cost of the hydrogen itself.
Electric still has its issues, but one proper electricity storage breakthrough will solve those. Faster charging, longer ranges, and greener batteries are already improvements we see happening, and there are real possibilities we will see a huge leap in the near future.
unless batteries for evs come way down like from the $12 K + that it is now to that of say $200. imo Evs are more of a waste as no one will opt to pay for a ev battery when the veh gets "old" so basically a one time use vehicle. theres a ton of things that need to get done whichever way you look at it. I for one dont think the ev is the way forward due to al the issues it has currently.
@@dee1089
Your own comment has that basic key word "currently". Batteries are improving every single year, especially now when more companies start investing more money into R&D. We have multiple promising battery technologies which have been shown to work, issue is just scalability of its production. Batteries are the future.
As an electronics engineer, nope. You can expect like a momentary decrease, then watch the battry prices rise again. All that lithium and RnD can only do so much.@@Zripas
Electric is a momentary fixture, nothing mofe
@@bigbadt
Just go and check battery prices over the years... Its going down. Then look at battery capacity and its performance, that one is going up. Aka there is steady progress with battery technology without any actual limitation in sight. We have multiple battery technologies even today which would be a huge deal if scaling of its production was solved.
Electric is the future, its only question how long it will take to reach the point where even considering any other alternative looks foolish.
@@dee1089 "One time use vehicle"?? A modern battery pack with thermal management is good for around 200k - 250k miles... at which point, you could buy a used reconditioned pack instead of paying full price for a new pack. Just like with an old ICE vehicle, you probably wouldn't buy a brand new engine when the old one gets worn out, you'd buy a reconditioned engine.
Ammonia is extremely dangerous if tthere is even a very tiny leak. Ammonia is also pretty inefficient and will only have niche applications.
To extract Hydrogen or ammonium, electricity is use to generate or separate Hydrogen from the atmosphere. Petroleum is required to generate Electricity and Electricity is use for the process of Electrolysis or separation of Hydrogen or Ammonium from the atmosphere or any other sources. At last, Petroleum must be used to generate Electricity and Electricity is usec in the process of Electrolysis. So, the Chinese Dialect says 'Lan Par is also Par Lan'. (Meaning the same - Petroleum must be used)
14:29 also recycling a battery is almost impossible, and the environmental damage caused by rare metals extraction is absolutely brutal. In the current state of technology, we should have never embraced electrification.
Who told you that batteries aren't recyclable? You do realise that an EV battery can be repaired by replacing just one cell instead of throwing the whole thing away.
The reason OEMs quote battery "repairs" (even though they are actually REPLACEMENTS) so high is because they went waaaay over their head when it comes to the production and maintaining of EVs. Its a shame because its a really useful tech which has now had its image tarnished because some govs and companies wanted to make a quick buck, instead of concentrating on making the world a better place.
"14:29 also recycling a battery is almost impossible,"
Nonsense. It's already being done today.
@@markospehar584 I didn’t say they were impossible to recycle, I said “almost”.
The recycling process is still in its infancy, and the energy required to do it far exceeds any “green” advance of electrification.
And if you consider how raw materials are extracted, where, on what’s conditions, how energy intensive they are, and how much they pollute, I think you’ll agree we are decades away from from having the necessary technology to make current batterie technology “green”.
Take a look at a lithium mine and its effects on water sources - that should be enough to make anyone question the viability of electrification at our current technological know-how.
That is a lie. Batteries are very recyclable.
@@rel124c41a you better fact check what your saying.
The first car was electric and it took over 140 years for them to become mainstream. How long will it take for hydrogen?
personally, I think evs are better, their is still less efficiency with hydrogen, since you need to use the electricity to produce hydrogen, then again burn that hydrogen into heat energy. Whereas, in evs you store electricity and use it directly. Less steps make evs more efficient. Beside, I wouldn't want to carry around a pressurized bomb in my car.
You have no idea what you are saying and apparently didn't listen.. look up the absolute destruction of Chile and Peru. They absolutely destroyed the very little water they had.. for every 60 tons of that useless destructive lithium mining they 1 million+ liters of FRESH water.. to dissolve sulfuric acid.. it destroys the land genius.. and since you have no idea what energy density means look it up.. Ev's are absolutely useless and worthless..
Nobody’s buying EVs anymore n companies are losing 10s of millions in trying to push them in the American economy. Hydro is a fuel substitute that deserves a chance.
@@ambitiousvisionaire1954 Where did you get that from bro?
China's BYD was the biggest seller in the world and in no. 2 was tesla ? Both of them are EV producers. The other combustion engine companies are way behind them in just only a few years, and you are telling me no one is buying EVs. And in USA EVs are expensive because US have put a 100% tariff on chinese EVs, since they can't compete with them.
Apart from sells, if you look at a combustion engine, most of it energy is bound to be lost in the atmosphere. The cycles can't be completed without losing the hot exhaust gases releasing even in Hydrogen engines. So, they can never be as efficient as EVs. Moreover battery technology is improving really fast. In about 10 years or so , batteries would store more energy that traditional fuel cylinders.
@@ambitiousvisionaire1954EVs are much more efficient and the sales aren't as bad as the news makes them out to be. Tesla's Model Y was the best selling car worldwide last year and BYD is doing well.
EVs still seem the obvious choice. Best performance/ great fun off the line and cheapest cars to own in their lifetime (bangs per buck).
Good place to store all that extra solar we produce during the day.
Let us not fool ourselves. It is all simple arithmetic. Just count the number of parts to make an ICE against the number of parts of the electric motor. Moreso, how long does it build an ICE against 1 electric motor? So how can we say that is the way to the future?
Just ignore the environmental disaster to produce lithium batteries or the fact EVs still are largely recharging off coal powered power stations. EVs just hide the environmental damage in the supply chain. Green energy produced hydrogen is massively more environmentally friendly
Toyota is smart
Subaru will do it better!
I think Toyota owns 20% of Subaru, so yeah that makes sense 👍
The aluminium alloy engine had entered the prototype phase last month, which is the best engine for hydrogen combustion
Well ammonia is also not a very good choice as
NH3 + O2 ----> NO2 + H2O
NO2 is a very poisonous gas and also increases acid rain to which is quite bad. There should be a unit installed to just separate hydrogen from ammonia during combustion or an NO2 filter to become extremely eco-friendly
Lol, good luck getting a hydrogen fill! This is not revolutionary the president of the American hydrogen association had a 100% hydrogen truck many years ago! Toyota hasn’t developed anything new. Do you know how expensive hydrogen is right now? I hardly doubt that they are going to be disruptive. This is years away and it’s already behind the times.
The Toyota new engine is design fabricates its own hydrogen Just add water to it
You didn't watch the video did you.
@@jezraeltorres-lebron8707I haven't watched the video but that seems somewhat impossible. It takes more energy to make hydrogen than the hydrogen itself will produce so you need something like a battery to do that on the go. Maybe a solar panel but for that wouldn't you want an electric car for better efficiency?
There are solution regarding hydrogen production
Why do you wanna beat it up know your needs more air into the flow of the hydrogen. Makes it 10 times more combustible. The problem is making it. I’m not talking about liquid hydrogen. That’s different like they use on the space shuttle that’s a different kind of hydrogen it has to be below a certain temperature way below.
Can't be convinced with anything other than Electric as it does not need much engineering or services and can be charged for free as well! Some companies are still fighting to keep maintenance cycles. However, it costs to keep having money back from it.
Fun fact, modern General Motors EVs are not powered by lithium ion batteries. They are powered by Nickel Cobalt Manganese Aluminum (NCMA) batteries. All are extremely abundant elements and the Cobalt is very minimal (less that 5%) too due to the non-recyclablity of it. Very much less polluting to manufacture as well
Toyota Mirai customers are filing class action suits against Toyota, as H2 is hugely expensive, there are few places to fill up (only in CA and mostly around major population centers) and the refill stations are frequently out of H2, so you have to hope you have enough H2 left to go somewhere else.
I don't believe that an IC engine burning H2 will improve H2 car mileage, as IC engines have far more loss due to heat, moving parts and IC specific systems like water pumps, water coolers, oil pumps injection systems, transmissions, etc., all of which require energy.
I really hope this comes to fruition. I don’t like the idea of EVs. The governments globally should be financing more of this than ridiculous EVs which are also are impractical.
everyone will drive an EV in 10-20 years including you since it is the superior technology :D
@@devFedake I will agree to disagree with you. I will never own an EV in my lifetime if you can’t go at least 800 km without charging as that is as far as I can get on a tank with my current car and if they can’t charge within a few minutes you can forget it. They are far from superior. As far as I’m concerned they are shite. They also need to do something to make them sound like a bloody car.
EVs use batteries which is made out of Earth's rare minerals. Why do you think China mines those precious things in 3rd world countries? Mining is literally killing Earth.
@@devFedake Sure. Everyone will drive an EV if only 20 million people survive that long. Maybe we can run on solar power if we cover 70% of Earth's surface in solar panels after strip mining 90% of Earth's land area.
@@jameso1447 to cover current needs of the entire planet in terms of electric energy we would only need to cover a square of 100km by 100km in the sahara desert. I'm sorry you are misinformed and emotional but try to look past that and do your own research.
Ammonia sounds promising but I remember growing up in Houston when a tanker truck carrying ammonia crashed on the intersection of 610 Loop and Southwest Freeway falling off an elevated roadway onto the pavement below rupturing the tank and killing the driver and every living thing the ammonia gas contacted including all the plant life such as grass leaving a huge brown area of dead grass surrounding where the tanker landed. I have never forgotten in the decades since this happened how deadly the ammonia gas was. Not to mention that I routinely use ammonia as a disinfectant to clean my kitchen and bathroom floors. If an ammonia powered car should crash, it had better have very sturdy tanks securing the ammonia.
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Links to sponsored eshops, no link to source. When searching I found a toyota page about this which is 1,5 years old and there are even older, so what is the news?
CRY ABOUT IT
Woah, so salty😂 chill
You need mental evaluation
While hydrogen technology sounds and looks like a very good future, keep in mind, the EV industry is failing because of the Li-Ion batteries only. As soon as someone figures out how to manufacture fast, cheap and easy a Solid State Battery, the story is going to change. An EV with a SSB can be fully recharged in a few minutes, can go much further and does not wear out that quickly. The only problem with SSBs right now is the manufacturing cost. That is way to high. If someone like QuantumScape for example figures out the manufacturing, we can simply swap the Li-Ion batteries in every EV to these new SSBs and keep on going. We don't need to redesign the powertrain of the vehicle. So while I still love the hydrogen future, I think the SSB technology will be the go-to tech.
I thank you Toyota so much and am so proud to be a Toyota owner. Truly God bless you for actually trying to do something good to this planet. I already knew electric vehicles weren’t the way to go when I heard lithium mining and how they get them from poor countries and how you can’t recycle lithium batteries. Thank you Toyota for doing something good to this planet. God bless you and make you the leading example to doing what right. I’m so proud to be a Toyota owner 🥲😁🙏🏽
Of course you can recycle lithium batteries.
Wrong on all counts. Lithium mining is far more environmentally friendly then continually exploiting fossil fuels. Lithium most definitely can be recycled. I suggest you take a look at the Alberta tar sands. Hydrogen is a dead end. The number of hydrogen refuelling stations is small and actually declining. Using green electricity to produce hydrogen to burn in an ICE is exremely dumb. The amount of energy lost between the electricity and the wheels will be sometthing like 90%. Remember an ICE is only 25% efficient even if it is powered by hydrogen.
I take this to be sarcasm.
Engine is always high maintenance. Engine oil, air filter, coolant, spark plugs and etc. Mechanical parts has too many wear and tear. High maintenance. Electric car is only battery and motor. Using Solar farm to charge almost can say free.
Electric cars are ticking time bombs
At least some car manufacturers are waking up, and staying away from Ev's 😊
Wrong. EVs are the only practicable future.
EVs are most certainly the future
I would like to see more numbers in your videos, such as how much did the power drop...
RIP Toyota.
How,? Climate wannabe
EV fangirl how!?
@@tjf23BYD , Geely and other Chinese BEV. Makers and Tesla will dominate Toyota by 2030, A Little bird named Elon told me!
How much energy per volume is needed to produce hydrogen compare to gasoline or diesel?
To make it work you need to fill the tank with water and the hydrogen has to be split from the oxygen at the intake
I suggest you take a crash course in physics and chemistry with emphasis on thermodynamics. Then you should realise that your post is ridiculous.
Perfect, brilliant conclusion! That's exactly what Stan Meyer's final designs were. Modified spark plugs acting as fuel injectors fed with water.
Is it better than LPG fueled cars?
Another useless AI-generated/ "disruptive" video.
With the fuel efficiency being almost the same is that the same amount of volume consumed of material fuel or is that the cost of setfuel? Because if it's the volume of this fuel, then the cost difference between hydrogen and gasoline is astronomical.
It's way too expensive to fill up your car with hydrogen. It's not practical yet
And it never will be.
@@rogerphelps9939 I haven't thought that far ahead but you May be correct.
It’s literally less than half the price of petrol right now. I’m parked next to a H bowser
@@jrx3361 Well itt will be very cheap when combined with oxygen, otherwisr not so much.
Once they convince enough people and make it the latest "popular choice, there will be enough evidence of profitability which leads to a surge in new infrastructure. Then, it will be feasible and realistic.
@13:29... "much stabler"... also sounds like the audio levels were also done by ai.
Biofuels is another great option with near net zero emissions, I don't think H2 is stable or safe enough to be used for commercial use.
This isn’t a disruption, if anything it’s a way to resist EVs
My issue with hydrogon vs electric, is that I can mount solar panels and batteries on my house. And generate some if not all of the electricity that i need for driving. Hydrogen would put me back into having to buy it from a vendor. I don't think cars are where Hydrogen would shine, it would be in transport industries instead. Where the consumption is that much higher, than a regular citizen. We are at the cusp of fusion energy, if that comes, then electricity will be almost free, because of how abundent it will be. And somewhere in the future, batteries will also take a leap forward. So I have a hard time seeing Hydrogen as the answer.
What infrastructures are in place to refuel those vehicles?
Practically none.
Noting that in 1935 Garrett in US patented his H2 powered car, making it's own H2 through electrolysis using platinum electgrodes in a electrodes in distilled water, and the voltage upped to 12v,
Im curious, how does ammonia combustion produce emissions?
4NH³ + O² → 2N² + 6H²O
Ammonia + Oxygen → Nitrogen and Water
Neither nitrogen nor water are greenhouse gases, and there is no carbon even in the equation. I take it means more to do with the production of ammonia, but the phrasing seemed very poor then, seeing it specifically mentioned the engine being more eco-friendly, not ammonia as fuel source in general.
There is a fully green way to produce ammonia as well, assuming electricity production is green (which we know how to do effectively, its called nuclear power, its just a matter of getting the infrastructure built), but in making green ammonia, you need pure hydrogen, so you may as well just use the hydrogen and save extra processing.
NOx gases will be created due to the temperatures of the combustion process and more NOx will be produced due to the additional Nitrogen introduced with the Ammonia. NOx is a potent greenhouse gas and also damages the ozone layer. Now sure we can scrub it from the exhaust but it still is created and if the scrubbing system is not working well it will be released into the atmosphere.
It will be better to work on increasing the "green ammonia and hydrogen" production on current production processes that depend on them and do not have other alternatives available then trying to waste the energy to keep the ICE on the market for longer.
Combustion of ammonia can produce NOx which mean it will have to be fine tuned (driving cost up) to produce as little as possible, maintained (driving cost up) to keep it within emission norms and of course vulnerable to be axed by politicians at any time. Just hydrogen has non of those problems. 0 emissions no matter if it is a new engine or 20 year old barely working piece of junk owned by a meth addict with last maintenance done 10 years ago. There is also problem with zoning for fuel stations. They will basically a mini ice hockey stadiums with more ammonia and thus bigger kill zone than gasoline stations, hydrogen station and ice hockey stadium combined. We have a stadium in out city and in case of a major ammonia leak almost quarter of it will have to be evacuated according to current evacuation plans. Good luck building building this but bigger (in terms of the amount of stored ammonia) all over town.
I drive distance , so how many times would I have to fuel this to reach 500 miles , I'm not willing to spend more money. My 3/4 ton diesel will reach 550 on one tank without stopping , 32 gallon tank .
So if we use Amonia to power engines, since ammonia is made up of Nitrogen and hydrogen atoms, what will be the resulting exhaust output?
Decreasing prices could keep going down the more we use it. As opposed to dirty oil effects and 'dependancy' on the oil global market.
TOYOTA STOP BLUFFING ABOUT U CREATED NEW ENGINE HERE NEW ENGINE THERE.....IN THE END ALL BLUFF....JUST SHUT UP & TALK ONLY WHEN A REAL NEW ENGINE IS CREATED. !!!!!!!
Just got to the parts where car has to have armored tanks_ b/c of volatility. Cities cars homes storage facilities become a ticking time-bomb?
VW has also transferred 50% of their EV budget into improving their ICE, but moving from one system EV with their shortcomings with charging station availability Hydrogen is no different and more expensive to fill up.
Several Problems
1. Hydrogen while readily available isn't free in our atmosphere. It is bonded with Oxygen mostly as water and that means it has to be separated.
2. The power needed to extract Hydrogen from water can be used directly to charge a battery
3. Using Electricity to extract Hydrogen from water to then store the Hydrogen to then create electricity to power a vehicle is really a waste of Energy
4. If you use a combustion engine to use Hydrogen have several issues due to the high volatile nature of Hydrogen
5. Hydrogen would need to be compressed to such a high level it would be unsafe and un feasable.
6. If you decide to go and create fuel cells then you are not getting a good return on the energy and it is very expensive and the life spans of a fuel cell would be too short.
7. Finally what is the cost of extracting all the Hydrogen to the enviornment.
Instead you can use Natural Gas
1. It's readily available
2. It burns way cleaner than gasoline
3. Any Engine is easily converted
4. Much easier to compressed and convert vehicles to that fuel source.
I paused at a 1:01 but I really hoping it's another v12 I love the 1gz-fe
Imagine a hydrogen resurrection for a bunch of famous and iconic engines. A brand new hydrogen 3JZ, or something. Pure HICE sports cars sounds awesome to me. It keeps what makes cars FUN.
I love the look of the Mirai, only 1 person owns 1 in my entire neighborhood
Have you asked if owner is actually happy with that car? Because I could bet that he isn't thrilled about it. Even better, ask if next car will be hydrogen.
Thanks for the informative video! H² or NH3 both could indeed be useful fuel alternatives in the near future.
However, I don't expect the US to develop infrastructure to support these vehicles as quickly as countries with greater population density like Japan or Europe
Why do they always fail to mention that with the combustion of a Hydrogen-Air mixture, there are NOx emissions? Unless they also plan to use pure oxygen in the process, or is there something else missing here...
When Toyota started they were after reliability economical and affordable. They took over the entire auto industry. That is the markets controlling the industry. The cars they started competing against weren’t around. Big v8 everywhere. But once a good issue hit. Everyone was on the affordable economical train. But they left out reliable. If you want to know that automotive future look at Toyota. We built them. Because they gave us what we didn’t know we needed. And they haven’t lost that. And that’s why they are the largest auto manufacturer in the world. My money is they will stay that way. Provided they do not lose the plot
The simplicity and non-maintenence of a electrical engine seems better and more sustainable but the batteries are a problem for sure.