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- An updated run from Lime St to Oxford Rd via the Cheshire Lines Committee (Warrington). Its a tale of two endings - one with minimal captions and a second with more captions and additional (so far unseen) footage. This is Northerns replacement for the TPE semi express which formed part of the Scarborough service. New trains on view as well as a glimpse of the refurbished “FLEX” units.
I love these in cab videos. Great for those of us who would never experience this. It makes so much of a difference when the windscreen has been cleaned too.
Thanks Jeremy. A vital addition to the filming clobberI cart around is the microfibre cloth. It makes such a difference when the glass is clean.
I find your videos really relaxing to watch, but also informative with the captions! They really add a lot of context to the video. Great work!
Thanks Cen, much appreciated.
The excavations out of Lime Street are one of the wonders of the modern world. Spectacular footage.
They never cease to amaze me Paul.
This video has brought back so many memories.I did my apprenticeship in Warrington during the mid 70's. the bridge on the left just after going over the wcml used to go into one of the many factories that were in Warrington. If I remember correctly. I used to live in Hough green right across from Hough green signal box.thanks for refreshing my ageing memory
Mines ageing too Ian. Glad it brought back memories for you 👍
From an ex pat just here to admire the old scenery, thanks for a great video -- especially in such high quality and with your comments.
Glad you enjoyed it Sam.
Thanks once again for a wonderful outing. It is a privilege to join you in the cab and have a wonderful view of the line. As always it was both entertaining and instructive. It is good to acknowledge the great debt we owe to those early railway engineers.
Yes it is David, what they achieved is amazing.
Hi Don. Greetings from Pennsylvania. Another great video chock full of great shots, information, history, interesting comments, and beautiful views of England. Many thanks. CAS
Thanks Charles.
The grey bridge at Warrington is a former spur to the WCML. The line from Glazebrook used to link up with Stockport Tiviot Dale. The line used to burrow under Stockport viaduct, (the trackbed is now the motorway), and provided a link with the GCR at Godley. It was basically a Manchester bypass and the coal trains to and from Yorkshire to Fiddlers Ferry via the Woodhead route used this. Just east of Trafford Park there was a triangle junction with a line called the Fallowfield loop. This line also bypassed Manchester and ended up at Fairfield on the GCR. This gave the GCR access to Manchester Central.
Usual good stuff GM. Its such a shame its all gone. I think they’d have trouble shutting them these days. They demolished Tiviot Dale Station the day before they put a preservation order on it. Just Google it if you’ve not seen it. It was magnificent.
@@doncoffey5820 Thanks Don, there is an Birkenhead Driver I know who used to do Fiddlers Ferry to Godley and Mottram yard through there. You are right it was a lovely station, real shame.
@@doncoffey5820 Also I forgot to mention Don the direct route through Warrington, (the Warrington Central avoider), closed in 1968. That grey bridge just before Central was actually a small line to Dallam Goods, closed 1968. As far as the map states there was no physical connection to the LMS branch which terminated at Dallam Lane. This was a small branch off the WCML at Dallam Branch Junction. It basically left the WCML as a facing Junction, if you were travelling up, about a mile and a half before Bank Quay. Apologies I stand corrected!
Thank you Don for a great video, I'm in awe of Manchester's railway infrastructures, especially around Castlefields Junction with all the viaducts and castellated turrets, and some of the old buildings right next to the line, just amazing, loved the aerial shots as well :-), we have to be proud of our engineering heritage. As a young lad back in the sixties I lived in Boxmoor Road near to Rose Lane coal sidings and most days had steam engines parked next to our back garden, happy days. thanks again Don.
Thanks Rick. You’ll detect from my captions that I’m in awe of our railway heritage too.
The more I watch of these rail videos , the more I enjoy them . Will continue to watch as many as I can . Very entertaining & informative . Thank You .
Glad you liked it Graham. The more you watch the more of our rules you will learn as I cover something different in each video.
Used this service so many times. Always wanted to see it up front. Cheers 👍
I’ve got another version that I’ll show one day soon Sarah.
Just checking the actual drive as I've recently got the Liverpool Manchester add on for train sim 2019 and the game has done a great on the actual scenery. thank you for putting this video up.
Very good Ian, glad it was of multiple use!
@@doncoffey5820 Certainly was, thank you. Your name was mentioned on 'Twitch' tonight Train Sim 2019 for the detailed videos you put up on youtube.
Interesting, I’ve not heard of that one.
Can’t beat a class 156 at all, my favourite train operating in the country, and in my honest opinion the best 2nd generation DMU to be built, always fell in love with the throttle controls noise, very distinctive ching,it would be my dream that I can one time drive one of these beastly units. (Providing Scotrail don’t get rid of their 156 stock in the coming years) Also love the vids aswell Don, very well produced and very informative!
Glad you like them. I did the 156 traction DVD for Northern. I enjoyed driving them from Buxton to Blackpool and back.
Awesome cabride Don!!! Thanks for all the extra information!! Cheers Onno.
Hello again Onno. Glad you enjoyed it.
Great vid again Don, up to your usual standard, I really appreciated the detailed commentary running into Manchester. Not a route I was familiar with, other than running into Central in the steam days!
Blimey Chris, that would make a good video. Did you see the Liverpool video where we ran alongside the line into Central?
@@doncoffey5820 Which one was that, Lime St to Huddersfield?
Done this trip many times, never seen this view though. Great.
Glad you enjoyed it Peter.
Another great video. I have nothing but admiration for the 'navvies' that built our railways. They worked hard and drank hard, in all conditions. A real tough breed!
Don’t get me started! When you think what they did and the conditions they worked under.
on a par with the egyptians lol...9th great wonder of the world...amazing when you think how basic tools were
Don, Are most or all of the smaller signal boxes we see out on the network remotely controlled from the main centres or are some still manned? Also What happens these days in relation to confirming that the trains are complete as they work their way along their planned routes?
Excellent,thank you. Irlam station and The Steam house at Urmston are great places to alight and enjoy good food,a nice glass of wine and a superb pint of real ale plus brilliant company.
Never been Chris but it is something I will do at some stage. I just love to see it when I pass.
I love all your videos Don, your knowledge is fascinating.
Thanks Phillip.
Another excellent cab ride Don ! Par excellence ! Thank you for sharing!!! :):):)
Hello Harry. Good to hear from you. Glad you enjoyed it.
Another lovely vid Don. Just been looking at old OS maps of Warrington. Although that bridge remnant near the WCML crossing is indeed the remains of a chord southbound WCML to east bound Cheshire Lines, that facility looks like only an afterthought to the main purpose of linking to a network of goods lines that circle the Dallas Brewery & Forges. They are best seen in the 1937 OS map. The chord is still there on the 1970 map but by then the forges had long gone and the brewery, in which I worked in 1969 (just a summer job loading trucks before my A level year) was no longer served by trains. It was pretty modern by then and had Ben extended over the former forges. The first available on-line map showing no chord is 1984 but it could have been lifted anytime between 68 and 84.
I must admit my curiosity usually drives me to dig into these little mysteries but I couldn’t find anything. Several of your fellow watchers had also put me right on that one.
@@doncoffey5820 I like watching your videos using the National Library of Scotland overlay mapping of the 25" on top of OpenStreetMap. It answers questions before I even have a chance to ask them :-)
maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.3929&lon=-2.6023&layers=168&b=7
Thanks Don. So many memories of my hometown Urmston. I well remember the accident near Urmston Station in 1958 that could have taken so many more lives and I even saw the bridge before Flixton where, as a 10 year old I used to get my face covered in soot as I peered over the side when the steam locos thundered past below.
Several of my driver colleagues live near the line there at Urmston too so it must produce good guys!
Another great video Don, as before well captioned. Just as well its pouring down here in Co. Durham or i would`nt get any gardening done.
You need a mower with a roof Tim - and of course a multimedia screen with UA-cam vids!!!
Also, love the editing-in of clips from older vids and the repeat of Irlam Station.
Incidentally at 34.33, the water you can see down on the right is The Mersey. Passengers get a great view of the confluence of the river and canal which then share a course for a few miles before splitting at Rixton.
Thanks Alan and yes, its interesting to see the River run into the canal.
The bridge looks to have connected to the Dallam and Bewsey Works (Iron works and forges) from circa 1890 (although an iron works had been on this site since the early 1850's) and possibly a link on the what is now the WCML (lots of sidings so hard to make out). The line is still visible in 1963 but by 1972 the line had been removed leaving only the bridge.
Thanks for that. I’m sure you are right having checked earlier feedback. Thanks for you efforts.
A 1937 25"/mile map on National Library of Scotland site maps.nls.uk/view/126524231 shows the branch running alongside the WCML but at a higher level (ie not in the cutting). The next map northwards maps.nls.uk/view/126523454 shows it going into the various buildings of the D&B Forge, but not connecting with the WCML. (It looks as if you have to copy and paste those URLs because the UA-cam redirection when you click on them isn't working.)
I simply would love to see your footage from the emt class 156! Not every video will be perfect as that’s life and the railways as a matter of fact !
I’ll probably put it up at some stage Zeke.
Another great video, Don. Thanks. At 30:50, you mention Glazebrook East junction, and the diverging line South. But at that exact point - Moss Lane / Dam Lane, there was a signal box controlling "Dam Lane Junction" - part of the dual track chord North to Culcheth and Lowton St Maries. And further on, "Glazebrook Junction West" which is another dual track chord from the same, before you get to Glazebrook Station, and thence to Glazebrook East Junction.
Love researching these old lines on National Lines of Scotland (Side by Side using the OS 25"/mile 1892-1914 maps) Superb detail and a great resource.
Your question about the grey bridge at Bewsey, seems to point to a chord from the WCML, but the map referred to above seems to show the line being blocked somewhat by Bewsey Foundry, unless it indicates going under a building....
Love your videos, but you really can get me dragged into a bewildering amount of digging down, watching, referring, watching again.... Keep up the superb efforts! And get yourself another beer! Derrick
Its such a shame losing all these railways but I guess its a natural evolution now that road transport is with us. I like the side by side maps too. Every time I post these videos I learn something new from you guys. Thanks for the effort you’ve taken.
@@doncoffey5820 of course, a little later on in the video, you show the route map which shows the chords I'd just spent ages trying to describe! Doh! ;o)
:-)
Superb video, Don. I was looking for, or might have been pointed out, the section of the wall out of Liverpool that collapsed a year or so back.
Run it through to 2:26 until the caption for Crown Street Junction appears then freeze it. Look up to the left side and you will see that the opening is still there waiting for repair.
Once more you have raised the bar of the content in this genre, thank you Don. It is a genuine pleasure that (after all these years), I am beginning to get a mental picture of the network around Manchester that I never fully appreciated in my teenage youth. I would purchase a B.R. "Day rover" ("Away day"?) ticket and travel to many hubs just to fill my current "Motive power-combined volume" with more highlights, but I never covered Manchester much at all. I guess back in the day spotting variants of classes; 47, 40, 86, 87, and the occasional "Peak" plus obligatory DMUs / EMUs were more exotic when viewed from platforms further afar!
I realise that footage of a line in inclement weather, coupled with a noisy wiper might dissuade you from the prospect of editing and uploading such footage, but personally I love to see this kind of stuff, it really makes you realise just how brutal the weather can be for Drivers in particular. For example have you ever seen this video Don? ua-cam.com/video/pUWBc76bKNk/v-deo.html
it really opened my eyes to just how precarious railway work can be, (and I have travelled tender first-into the teeth of cold rain during my time on preservation railway). :-)
Thanks for the reference to the Martin Zero videos, I will be binge-watching those when time permits.
Finally I have to ask, are Transpennine upgrading their rolling stock to just 185s and the 68 push/pull consists, or do they have plans to roll-out new EMUs also? (Assuming that Transpennine actually own any?)
Insurgent 540, I hope you are well (and your mrs too). I’m glad you are getting to grips with the area and you can hopefully cross a good part of a network map around Manchester. There are still a couple more to the south and then hopefully I can get some North Manchester ones done. That rainy day footage isn’t bad at all and I was lucky to have been given the opportunity but the outward trip did get a few “grumbles”. I may put it up one day. Have a look at Paul Whitwick's “Whitwick’s Abandoned Railways" channel too.
So, new trains. We’ve finally got release on the Mk5 stock so the plan is for two diagrams on the 29th June and more soon after on Lime St to Scarborough and later Middlesbrough. The Class 397s are doing quite well in their approvals - they are electric only sets for Airport, Liverpool, Glasgow and Edinburgh on west coast. I will sign the new Hitachi Class 802 hybrids which can run on overhead electric and diesel. They should start getting to us later this year so hopefully by next May you should start seeing them on Liverpool, Newcastle and east coast to Edinburgh. A good number of the trusty 185s will stay with us too.
Thanks for your rapid reply @@doncoffey5820 ! The wife is fine and back to her usual volume (which could have used some adjusting whilst she was in the workshop!) ;-)
I feel for the driver. Has to be his daily. So he either lives in Manchester or Liverpool. Heart felt feeling for the poor fellow or female. Joking aside. Great video's.
Glad you like them Dave.
Good shout out for Martin Zero. His videos are great.
Yes, he does some brilliant work.
Love the 'returns' and 'asides' gives a more intimate feeling of the area involved.
Thanks.
Brilliant video
Thanks Tony.
Aaaahhhh, the whistling cab door - remember it well from when I drove 156's around the North West for BR thru to TPE, Barrow, Manchester, Blackpool, Winderemere, before I finished in 2005. They don't improve with age then!!!!
No they don’t Alan. That one only needed a good slam but you don’t know you’ve got one until you set off. I’ll be doing the line through Preston soon so you can see all the changes.
@@doncoffey5820 Thanks Don, look forward to it
Thanks Don , brilliant as always. I did enjoy the alternative ending with the extra commentary. It is good to see some of the buildings being preserved even if they are being re-purposed
That door whistle would have driven me nuts, are there some well known 'tricks' for making them go away?
I presume that as the new units are introduced everything else will get pushed down the totem pole and the Pacers will be withdrawn from service.
The alternative ending might get on the nerves of some of the pure cab riders. It was a way of appealing to all interests. That whistle drove us (my mate at Northern and me) nuts!!!. It was cured by opening the corridor connection at Liverpool South Parkway and giving it a good slam. I think we would have been in straight jackets if we had to put up with that all the way!!!
Pacers are to be withdrawn by the end of this year as they don't comply with accessibility standards by Jan 1st 2020.
@@doncoffey5820 - another use for vaseline is leaky seal stopper!
Great video as always Don, thanks. I was interested in your comments about the conditions the navvies worked in. My great-grandfather was a track worker in South London and was fatally injured in 1886 on the track between London Bridge and Waterloo East stations. He took a glancing blow from a passing loco and died a few hours later from a fractured skull in Guy's Hospital. My great-granny was left a widow with five children including my granddad who was only three.
Blimey, I’m genuinely sorry about that. Its obviously a sad story but it demonstrates how risky working in a heavy industry as the railway was at the time. At the other extreme, trapping a finger or getting a cut would have also carried quite serious risk. They were a tough breed. I’m not exaggerating and I’m not patronising when I say I feel sincerely privileged that you’ve shared that real life experience. Thank you.
Nice cabride Don. However, in the beginning of the video what caused one of the train doors to make such a noise till the next station? It pretty much sounded like a tea kettle whistle. Tea kettles make such whistle on the stove boiling water in the process.
It does sound like a kettle and it is most irritating! On those Class 156 units, there is a door at the front for a corridor connection. Occasionally, they leak a little bit or as in our case, it wasn’t quite shut and a good slam stopped the whistling.
My Dad used to take me to Old Trafford in the fifties and sixties........saw the Busby Babes there before many of them were killed in the Munich Air Crash in 1958...!
After an evening match we would catch the train from the Football Ground Halt back into Central Station and then walk across the Victoria for the train back to Rochdale...
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
Thanks for sharing that James. At first I read “busty” babes but soon realised what you meant! Glad it brought back memories for you.
Your videos are giving me hours of pleasure. Is the platform at that lot 35 miles up the M62 still used on match days?
I don’t do footie Alan. If it’s Old Trafford I don’t think they do. They’ve just remodelled it all and I think they took it out.
Hi Don great video, good to see the line from your point of view. After seeing the old disused bit 👍🏼
Thanks Martin, it was very interesting to see your account of the link. I’ve never seen down there except for on maps.
Could the grey bridge at 22:05 be the Greening's wire works link to the main line. I know they did have their own locos.
Yes, thats it Dave.
excellent and informative video grazie
Most welcome Carlo. Thank you.
I really loved the info and learning about the junctions.. and how things may have changed.. you have a new Subscriber... thankyou, for sharing this, Don :)
Hi Karen. Glad you enjoyed it.
At 21.10, the Sankey Viaduct carries one of the first passenger lines over what is arguably the first purpose-made industrial canals....the Sankey Canal.
I consider the canals and the railways to be interlocked in terms of their contribution to the modern world. I’m sure it comes across in some of my dialogue. Thanks for the comment Mark.
Love this video Don. I really enjoy the extras you add along the route - the maps, the historical info, and the current sites like the power stations, bridges and old Trafford. (I confess that I learned all about Premier league soccer watching Manchester United back in the days of Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie)
Hi George. I don’t follow football and to be honest, the last time I had any interest, it was George Best and Bobby Charlton!
Once again, many thanks Don, for bringing back memories of my life before Western Canada, when I lived, and worked, in the North West.
Glad you enjoyed it Steve.
Thanks again for a really interesting video. The Warrington Straight Line was the original route of the 1865 Act, with the loop through Central authorised a year later (both MS&LR Acts). But whereas the line through Central was opened in July 1877 (when they started the regular 45-minute service), the Straight Line did not come till August 1883.
Thats interesting John - thanks. When did it close, do you know?
@@doncoffey5820 -- In 1967. The last trains using it were a pair between Manchester P and Liverpool C giving (IIRC) the Liverpool connections for the Harwich trains. These two were also the only passenger trains using the Cornbrook connections. With effect from 3 July 1967 they were diverted to run via Warrington Central. The Straight Line wasn't closed officially until 20 May 1968 and was then t.o.u. 21 July 1968. My only trip over it was on a Summer Saturdays working in 1963 which also ran from Godley Jn to Glazebrook via Stockport TD.
I had no idea. Thats really interesting because I’ve seen the remnants so many times. Thanks John.
That other Edge Hill station you refer to on the right, is that the old train station inside the grounds of the Museum of Science & Industry that you're referring to? I remember walking around there and they said it was the first passenger rail station in the world.
No Phil, that is near the Ordsall Chord in Manchester close to the YMCA you stayed in. It’s right by the station at Edge Hill. You might see the sidings better if you watch the Victoria to Lime St video.
Just a-thunderin’ along...great ride, Don. By the way ai find it hard to both see and catch all the info onscreen. Would it be possible to use a yellow , slightly denser font and remove after a slightly longer post ?
Yes even on a large screen, I'm finding it very difficult to read the captions when they are against light parts of the picture. On a small mobile phone screen they were almost illegible. Maybe put them against a semi-transparent grey background so the picture shows dimly through the background. You could have done with displaying some of them for a couple more seconds. I actually liked the horizontally scrolling captions against a black band at the bottom of the picture in some of your earlier videos, but I can imagine that they are not to everyone's taste.
[later] I've just realised that the captions will look worse for me than for most people because I've got a very slow internet connection (until we move house next month) so UA-cam is restricting the resolution and bit rate to accommodate for this. When I stop the video for a couple of seconds and then restart it, the buffer is full and I get a few seconds of much better quality. But I still think putting the captions against a semi-transparent grey background may help.
But the information in your captions is as excellent as ever.
That whistling between Lime Street and Liverpool Parkway was a fairly exquisite form of torture :-( And the driver couldn't do what I could do: mute the sound ;-) I imagine ear-plugs are a definite no-no for a driver...
@@Mortimer50145 I use the pause button when a larger caption appears, I agree a plain background to the text would be useful.
I’ve improved things a lot since then, hope it’s OK 👍
Love your work Don.
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Great video Don. Thank you.
I'm a newcomer so I'm still going through your previous videos, none of which disappoint. 👍🙂
Thanks Ian. The latest ones have evolved mainly due to feedback from watchers like yourself.
Maybe that bridge (West of Warrington) was for Northbound traffic onto the WCML, before the housing estate was put there.
I think so Kenneth. Found it on an old map with the help of you guys. Thanks.
I visited Birchwood earlier last month (March 2019) on my way to Patricroft from Manchester - yup - caught the wrong train! Thanks to the guard who was very helpful and pointed me to the right train. Even so got plenty of time to spend photographing the route of the Clifton Line from Patricroft as far as Black Harry. Martin Zero explores Clifton Station at the other end of Black Harry in a couple of his fascinating videos, "Exploring a Disused Railway line. The Manchester to Rossendale Line Parts 1 & 2"
Yes, I saw that video of Martin’s. Not much left of it unfortunately.
There's so many comments someone might have answered this already. You asked about the grey bridge on the left just before Warrington viaduct.
That bridge is MAJ Bridge 113. It used to carry the now dismantled Bewsey Branch line. The old line used to follow a curve round to the North and ended up running parallel to WCML on the Up side.
The old and now flooded track bed can be seen next to WCML at MAJ Bridge 114 on Bewsey Road.
Particularly interesting video to me as I'm a structures examiner for this area and I've probably examined 80% of the bridges seen in this video including most of Warrington Central Viaduct!
Very enjoyable videos. Thanks.
Hi Paul. It has been answered, I think there’s an amendment in the description but thanks. I’d be very interested to talk to you if you wouldn’t mind contacting me on messenger. I’m very interested in structures 👍
I remember travelling on a class 185 over this route, when it was First Transpennine Express and when the Scarborough services would call at: Liverpool South Parkway, Warrington Central, Birchwood, Manchester Oxford Road and Manchester Piccadilly. It was too slow for my liking.
I preferred the Newcastle services, when it would travelling non-stop between Manchester Victoria and Liverpool Lime Street.
Actually Joel, we used to do 85 along that route and we only do 90 over Chat Moss. The 185s surprises the sensation of speed.
Great! Another good un. Keep em coming😃
Thanks Simon, will do.
Thats no door seal...kettles boiled ..get the tea on lol... new stock look good,195`s especially imo,I rckn they need dye ballast pretty colours give you drivers some ..break from monotony of grey\brown...:P 777 and depot 3d look to what it will be....ua-cam.com/video/hWDXbAlruko/v-deo.html
Rumbled!
I travelled the route from Chassen Road to Oxford Road five days a week between 1973 and 1978. There was no Humphrey Park station in those days, and after Trafford Park station the line has changed out of all recognition... .
Aye, it’s changed a bit since I filmed it too Steve. Still, at least its still there!
The navvies kept a couple of pieces of string so that they could hitch their trousers up and tie them .then the trouser bottoms wouldnt trail in the mud, these were called "YORKS"
There would be loads of anecdotes from the period that are fascinating 👍
Great video. Loved the extra information. Thanks from New Zealand.
Thanks Fred. Much appreciated. I’d love to visit your beautiful country one day.
37' 25" - Humphrey Park, my local station !! - built in the 1980s mainly out of old railway sleepers and other wooden components. The platforms are slightly "springy" in places. We had a new ticket machine here for less than a year - it was vandalised so often it's been taken away again, as has the one at the next station - Trafford Park. (BTW Don - it's Sabbath - not Sabbeth !! ) By the way - there's an element of luck in this video in that you got a clear run from Trafford Park all the way to Oxford Road... EVERY train I'm on gets held at the signal protecting Castlefield Junction... how did you fix it?
When I was down there regularly with TPE, there were always kids hanging round those stations so the vandalism doesn’t surprise me. It was always a concern as we passed through at 85 and even a modest missile could have caused damage. Maybe one of the new “moneyless” machines might fare better? Spelling isn’t my strong point Tony but if you knew how much school I missed you’d be surprised I can write at all! I’m stuck with my spelling mistakes and occasional errors as UA-cam doesn’t allow me to edit anything, that has to be done in I-movie before it gets uploaded. As for the clear run, I was riding shotgun on that one and I think you know who was at the controls, he will no doubt have the right contacts ;-)
I had a look at the former Cheshire Lines route between Galzebrook Junction and Skelton Junction on Google maps. I'm very sorry to say that the track pretty much been ripped up and now used as a footpath!
Yes it is - a great shame.
Another great video, thank you. I like the use of the longer focal length lens; it avoids that curving distortion of verticals and horizontals (poles and overbridges) which a wide-angle lens is prone to. Your captions are, to this Australian viewer, a mine of information. I track your programs in Baker's Rail Atlas of Great Britain (which I see just now I bought at the NRM in 1982.)
Thanks Bruce. I’m glad you appreciate that. I really don’t like the distortion caused by a very wide angle lens. However, getting a reasonable field of view causes its own problems because of the limitations of the cameras. GoPros are the only cameras I’ve tried that can handle the motion at higher speeds. However, the top of the line GoPro will not film on 4K so I’m limited to 2.7K. That is exactly what holds me back with 4K.
@@doncoffey5820 Yes, I take your point about motion: the steadiness of your videos is a real plus.
That grey bridge coming into Warrington. Very old maps show a chord from the WCML to the CLC and it would have gone over that bridge.
Thats it Roger. I didn’t know at the time but I think its in the video description section.
Theres a lot of airpolution dieseltrains in England, in my country Netherlands the most railways are electrified with overhead catanary systems !!
It’s getting more and more electrified but yes, we still have some way to go Peter.
Another super cab ride Don. Thanks so much as always. Really like your captioning and second camera views. Also nice to see you mention Martin Zero. Martin's videos are always well worth watching. Thanks again.
Thanks Mike. Yes, I get absorbed by Martin’s videos because he shares the same interests in "old things”. Glad you like the videos.
Its really quite something to see when people talk about Edge hill station.
Even in the present guise as seen here it is still older than any station still standing in Manchester or surrounding areas.
The orignal Edge hill station, is still standing in the Cavendish cutting and it still in its original condition, it is the world's oldest station. Crown street station was older as the train left there first on its first run to Manchester, but Crown street station has gone, while Edge hill is still there.
Yes, all very interesting in that area - wonderful history 👍
6:38 - THAT Penny Lane? :D
Uh oh, its stuck again!
Thanks again for an enjoyable and educational film. I’ve just come out of hospital again after nearly expiring from influenza, and was in ICU for three weeks, and your films have been cheering me up no end whilst I recover. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Steven. Making these videos takes a lot of time and effort and they can be overwhelming at times but I occasionally get a comment like this and that is enough to keep me plugging away at them. I’m very pleased to hear you are feeling better.
Been following your videos for a while now Don. Time I think to say thanks for this and for others. I eally enjoy the captoned info which you don't get in many other cab rides. Every vid seems to get better too. By the way I volunteer now with others at the NRM in York and we often watch your vids there
Thats excellent Jim, glad you and your colleagues look in on them. And thanks for being a volunteer too. Many of these organisations wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for people giving up their time. I volunteer for community work at my local station Chapel en le Frith. I made all the signs and hanging basket posts on the station. You can see them on the Buxton to Piccadilly video.
Aww, you didn't do the "There's two ways to get to Urmston" joke from Dinnerladies 😔
I didn’t know or I might have done Paul!
yae the guys reply was better...you can go anyway you like ...lol
The grey bridge on the left was a siding for Rylands wire many years ago..........
Yes’ I’ve learned about it now. Very interesting. Thanks.
Oh if I had known I could've given you a wave...I was on duty at Glazebrook signal box that day.
The next bridge after GE31 signal in the video there was a defunct branch to the left that went to the CLC station at Wigan Central and as part of an inverted Y shaped junction another line came in from the left just before Glazebrook Station.
I rarely see the signaller there. The last time i personally drove past was during the high winds and I ambled past at 50 having beefed diverted from the moss. Somebody gave me a wave then. Regarding that branch, yes, I’ve made it out and there is a bridge adjacent that gives a clue to the junction so in fact, trains could effectively cross from Wigan to Stockport that way.
Glad you mentioned Wigan Central - the passenger service finished in November, 1964. The steam locos hauled rakes of non corridor stock to and from Manchester Central, but the real objective in the later years was the steel works at Irlam. Hundreds of men from Wigan worked there, and this was their route, through Hindley South, Lowton St Mary.
I never knew about it until Adelle mentioned it. It isn’t a route I can remember. I used to sign Wigan via Atherton and Westhoughton as a diversion on up the WCML to Preston.
Excellent!
Thanks John. Hope all is well.
Excellent stuff! I remember walking from Barton Power Station on Redclyffe Road (now a B&Q) to Salford via Trafford Park and the numerous lines in the Park.. These lines used to serve firms such as Carborundum, Lancashire Dynamo, Kellogs & GEC (to name but a few). Also there was a rail bridge connecting Salford Docks to Trafford Park but they moved the bridge when redeveloping the Docks into The Quays.
I vaguely remember it too.
Well done Dan. I loved it. I especially love the historical narrative which adds hugely especially to historic lines like this one
Cheers Martin.
Excellent video, very enjoyable. great work. Don't stop. Greetings from Ireland.
Still some more planned. Cheers.
That famous cutting has to be one of the greatest railway works in the country.
Absolutely blows me away every time I pass through it Ollie.
Another interesting and informative video - thanks. Just curious - do you sign Manchester - Bolton to Preston?
Not any more Paul. I used to assess on it at one time. We will be covering that line in this series hopefully later this year.
"MAULING" love it proper lanky talk.
Used frequently in Derbyshire too Michael 👍😉
Cheers. Explained a lot about the jumble of lines between Manchester, Glazebrook, Skelton, Warrington and Liverpool. Thanks. Are you planning a Manchester to Wigan NW via Golborne Junction at any point?
Yes, Ian, it is planned for doing. You can find out what is planned by going to my community page.
Warrington - When and why did they change the routing of the line from straight across the city to the curve to the south then back north?
Thats a good question. I can’t answer for sure but if you go to the side by side map here you can clearly see it;
maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=13.589999999999993&lat=53.3994&lon=-2.5929&layers=1&right=BingHyb
When I visited my Nanan as a young one in the late sixties and seventies the avoiding line had fairly recently been closed, and every year there was a bit of excitement as another overbridge on the route was removed for scrap. It was a regular family treat to take the train from our home in Sale to either Warrington or Great Sankey to visit grandparent or aunties for a day out. Fast services were class 115 DMUs with the higher powered Leyland Albion engines, or class 108 for the all stations, and that seat behind the cab was highly prized.
Don yet again another top-class video
Regarding Widnes Station back in the day Widnes had around 8 stations. When it first opened it was a village north of Widnes (1873),
This was taken from Wikipedia
The station, opened by the CLC on 1 August 1873, was originally known as Farnworth (Widnes),[2] Farnworth being at the time a village north of Widnes, but is now a northern suburb of the town. The station was renamed Widnes North on 5 January 1959,[2][3] and finally Widnes on 6 May 1968[3] (Widnes Central and Widnes South, on other lines, having closed to passengers in 1964 and 1962 respectively).[4][5]
Plaque
Widnes Railway Station is traditionally the station where Paul Simon reputedly composed the song "Homeward Bound" but it is most likely that it was Ditton Station, part of the Widnes Loop Line and the train to London. Simon is quoted as saying If you'd ever seen Widnes, then you'd know why I was keen to get back to London as quickly as possible.
Thanks for the kind words and the trouble you’ve taken in researching it. I may well use some of that info in the return journey. Cheers Ray.
Thank you for another very informative video clip, Don. I remember coming into Oxford Road from Greenbank into the bay (Platform 5) in first generation DMUs.
My earliest memories was them running Class 31s to Greenbank. I started in 2003.
Allerton depot (8H) in the 60s was a DMU depot, modern for its time.
Fidler's Ferry power station used to get its coal from Yorkshire, brought by paired Class 76 locos over the Woodhead route - in the 80s that was the sole purpose of the line.Diesels took over at Guide Bridge.
My aunt, Dad's eldest sister, was a nurse based at Burtonwood and Padgate during WW2. She dealt with American airmen casualties from bomber raids over Germany. Forget the videos - she said they arrived, still alive, virtually cut in half by Luftwaffe cannon and machine gun fire.
Your captions are always informative - Penny Lane! The building society I worked for 1974-82 opened a branch near there. In its first month it exceeded all investment targets, but suffered three armed raids!!
You always give me loads of information in your replies. Penny Lane sounds like Coronation Street, you never know what’s coming next!!!
Love the video. Love the footnotes!
Thanks!
Hi Don,
Very interesting video, with the ex thameslink 319's being put to good use, and the new 769 'flex'
bi-mode units, this type of unit is commonplace over here (France) since 2005 with the articulated B81500 and B 82500 the latter being also dual current (1,5kv dc and 25kv ac). With regards to the grey bridge approaching Warrington, the spur that it once carried served the Dallam & Bewsey forges and was not a cord onto the WCML. Lastly, windscreen wipers have been in the past a sore point for many drivers in europe aswell as in the UK in many cases they were particularly good at spreading the dead flies into an almost opaque mush across the screen..!
Thanks Glen. Yes, I think the 319s will go as soon as the 331s are all up and running but obviously, the Flex units will stay. I’ve seen quite a bit on the bridge thanks to feedback, it was a new one on me. Keeping the screen clean will be the next challenge. Sun in winter and flies in summer are not a happy combination with route videos.
A line went across the grey bridge down to exchange sidings (on the East side, parallel to the WCML) under Bewsey Road bridge a connection went into Dallam and Bewsey Forges with a connection also to Dallam Lane Bewery. With the line continuing under Folly Lane bridge, connecting to the WCML and serving Langford Wire works. The line ended at Dallams Brook with sidings, a connection off to the East went into an area with storage tanks, plus a siding to the rifle range. Between the, now closed cutoff route, and Folly Lane on the West of the WCML was the old steam locomotive shed.
An old 1963 map can be found on www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/360500/388500/12/101328
Its very interesting. Thanks for the trouble you have taken.
Don, This has been out for several days now, so someone else may have answered your questions. My hearing is such that I don't hear sounds above 8.5 kHz so I was spared having to put up with that whistle.
Widnes station was Farnworth for its 1st 86 years of existence. Then in 1959 it was renamed Widnes North. I'm sure someone thought that a good idea. North was dropped in 1968 after all the other Widnes stations had closed, probably due to the influence of a certain Dr Beeching. The powers-that-be took the eaasy way out instead of restoring its original name.
The bridge in question was a lead serving Dallam & Bewsey Forges and Warrington Wire Rope Works at Dallam Lane. The line was gone by the 1980s. For what it's worth, the route through Warrington Central is the original route; the section you referred to as the original alignment was built some 10 years after the line opened.
Just before Glazebrook there was a junction with an arm of the Great Central Railway which came from Wigan Central. A bridge over that route is visible just where your caption for Skelton Junction appeared.
What a plethora of cut-aways you are compiling for us. That alternative ending saved me a lot of keyboard work. If it doesn't add too much work then a similar feature ought to be include when appropriate. I think I've mentioned it before, thanks for letting me (and others) visit places that I'd have to make an effort to visit.
You have mentioned it before Robbie and we’re only lucky that some TOCs are in agreement with letting me share it. I think most of the questions have been answered but not necessarily in one comment so thanks for your efforts. I am really fond of railway history and facts but don’t profess to be an expert. I learn a lot from comments like these.
Widnes Station (17:00) is reputedly where Paul Simon wrote 'Homeward Bound' while waiting for a train ("I'm sitting in the railway station, Got a ticket to my destination"). There is a commemorative plaque in the ticket hall.
I believe so Ian. I’ve got the outward trip to edit at some stage (more really nice footage), maybe I’ll mention it on there.
As you said, at Halewood the CLC. went round the back of Liverpool to Aintree and thence to Southport Lord Street. It passed threw West Derby, Childwall, Norris Green, and Knotty Ash.
Thanks John, Its something I only found out recently as it is completely obscured by silver birch now. I must have passed it dozens of times!!!
Very Nice ! Thank You . Do you ever come north towards Preston ?
Used to do when I was at Northern, that was a regular run. I go east over the pennines now I’m at TPE. We will be filming Preston and Blackpool soon though.
Thanks, Don . I'll be looking forward to that . Take care .
It was fascinating watching this - I travelled from Trafford Park many many times over the years. The station is nothing like it used to be. We used to sit in the waiting room by the lovely warm fire waiting for the train to arrive. If the fire wasn't lit - it was the Porter room for me - my dad worked on the railway at Trafford Park Junction box for years, before becoming a relief signalman and then in the Power Box at Central Station until it closed. I haven't been on this line for many years as I went to live in York and then moved to France . I would have liked the Humphrey Park station to have been opened back in the 50's as it would have been great for me going to school.
Interesting comments Irene. Glad it brought back memories for you.
Early drawings of the opening day show a station in the Edge Hill cutting.Where exactly was it?
If you look at a Google map of Edge Hill Station, you’ll see that the line curves right towards the current vertical sided cutting. The original station was straight ahead in what can now be seen as Waterloo Sidings.
I have found on line Old maps of England and Wales from 1900,s you can fade out the old map to reavle a Google map underneath and see where the station was.
FYI, the gas fired power station between Irlam and Flixton is called Carrington Power Station - I used to work there! Great video.
Yes it is. Very futuristic looking place. Thanks for the positive feedback and comment.
My dad was a bricklayer and worked on the original Carrington powerstation which opened in 1956. I was at the opening day. You know you are getting old when you have seen a powerstation come and go.
Saved me a job correcting the error! :-)
Beautiful job again Don, and as always, highly informative. Might sound obvious, but this video really brings out just how straight the line is between Liverpool and Manchester for so much of the time. Am I right that it is crossing marshland for some of the way?
Thanks for the kind words Steve. It isn’t notorious for crossing marsh land although it does hold a lot of water when it rains due to being flat I guess. The line from Victoria to Lime St (covered in another video) crosses Chat Moss which was a full blown bog! They sunk timber and cotton bails to cross that and it is exactly as it remains today.
don, in answer to your question about the grey bridge just before w'ton station. this formed part of a spur that connected to the wcml . there is also -or was a steep embankment leading down to the wcml from the same direction the train is travelling on. -i used to note these while travelling the same route many years ago when i moved to w'ton from l'pool!!.
excellent cab ride vids sir , keep them coming!.regards dw. cheshire.
Thanks, yes the answers poured in about the grey bridge. Something I didn’t know so thanks for responding.
Really interesting video, especially about the Cheshire lines. Growing up in Altrincham I was always really curious about that line that comes off Skelton Junction!
Sam, you’re the first to know but my next video is Chester to Piccadilly via Altrincham so keep an eye open for that.
I'm confused, how is Hough Green after Runcorn bridge?
It’s on a different line Pat. I just referred to it so watchers can get a feel of the locality.
@@doncoffey5820 Ah right, understood! Thanks for replying 😊
Don? I've never been interested in trains but I find your videos so interesting? I watch every one!
Thats an accolade Henry. Thank you. I try to include something for everybody.