Chester to MP CLC
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2021
- After a little look around Chester Station and the filming of Hollyoaks, we join a Northern service back to Manchester via the Cheshire Lines route via Northwich and Altrincham.
Addendum
The line diverging at Northwich passes through Middlewich, not Winsford.
Thank you, I enjoyed this driver's eye view journey from Chester to Manchester Picc. The twin arches of the overbridge with the optical illusion of gothic style is a highlight for me. The commentary at the bottom of screen adds to the enjoyment of this journey.
Glad you enjoyed it Stephen. I try to add items of interest for everybody and that bridge is something I find interesting.
Another brilliant production Mr Coffey. Very informative and as always a pleasure to watch. Thankyou...
My pleasure, thanks for watching.
Excellent video, loved it.
As an addition, as the train leaves Delamere Station. 19 minutes 43 sec., the immediate bridge at the end of the platform is the B5152, Cotebank (A49) to Frodsham Road, but just behind it is a large three pipe overbridge.
It is the Vrnwy Aquaduct, normally underground carrying water from Lake Vrnwy in Wales, supplying water to Liverpool's Prescot reservoirs, but here it has to cross over the railway, as the railway was there first.
Thanks John. I’ve covered that pipeline in another video. I can only think that it was the outbound journey which aired a couple of years ago.
Another great train journey Don, thanks for the on screen information it sure helps this rookie train enthusiast here in Canada . Stay safe my friend 🇨🇦
And that is another place on my bucket list Ron. I reckon some time in 2023 I will be touring Canada and I can’t wait.
Only just got around to watching this, but have really enjoyed it. I used to travel the route regularly in the 1960s and 70s so it brought back loads of happy memories of the beauty of this part of the country and the architecture of the structures such as bridges and stations. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Colin. I did sign it when I was at Northern and always enjoyed driving it.
Had to smile at the mention of Hollyoaks. My daughter's claim to fame was that, whilst she was a uni student in Chester, she was asked to be an extra in Hollyoaks for one scene.
Great presentation, as always. Thank you.
We just happened across it David but apparently, they use the station quite a lot. Glad you liked it.
Thank you so much for these great videos. Watching from Erie Pennsylvania USA.
I really appreciate you looking in Michael.
Again thank you Don from NZ.. I have been missing from watching you for a time. Summer and as you know we are the lucky ones. But I will be back often and do think about you and yours and the stress you live in.
Yes you are lucky. I’ll be definitely visiting when all the virus’s are gone. Thanks for watching.
A fascinating journey, thank you. A lot of hard work went into that video. Very worthwhile.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you.
Thank you, Don, for this, yet another, of your very enjoyable and informative railway videos. Your descriptions of details along the route are a great addition!
You are very welcome Jos, glad you enjoyed it.
Excellent work! Thanks to your dedication it's possible to get travel experience for people that for various reasons can't allow themselves to take journey.
Thanks a lot Marcin. Yes, it does give the impression of being out and about.
This was my commute line Knutsford to Manchester Piccadilly and or via Metrolink for 10years 1996 to 2006 lots of memories there and info I didn’t know many thanks I like the way you keep the viewer engaged cheers
Thank you James, yes, that’s a lovely route and I have another project out there coming soon.
Thank you for posting these! They are fascinating to watch
Thanks Olly, much appreciated.
I really enjoyed this video. As an American I felt that the commentary running at the bottom was very helpful.
Thanks Peter, glad you enjoyed it.
Another great video. Loved additional inserts. Thank you Don.
Glad you enjoyed it Owen, thanks.
Thank you Don for posting these video's. I'm enjoying them from Sydney Australia. 32:10 mark is special to me, Lest we Forget.
Yes, it’s a poignant isn’t it? Keep safe over there Paul.
Enjoyed your video Don, hope you and family are all well. With all best wishes.🚂🚂🚂
Many thanks Ramon, same to you buddy.
Thanks for posting this, Don. I know and love this line and lived by it (in Northwich) for many years. Just one small correction; the freight only line to sandbach is via Middlewich not Winsford. We're hoping to see a return of a passenger service on that line in the not too distant future.
Steve, I absolutely cannot believe I typed that because I know its Middlewich. I just can’t explain where Winsford came from. Most of the videos have an addendum for my blunders so I’ll add it. Thanks so much.
That was an incredible journey thanks for posting this
Glad you enjoyed it!
There is something magical about trains! Keep up the wonderful work Mr. Coffey, and don't mind that OTHER Mr. Coffee, he's just a big drip!!!
Haha!, I’ll watch out for him. Thanks for the comment!
Absolutely fantastic and insightful video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it Gavin, thank you.
Fascinating 'documentary' as always Don. We followers really need to club together to get some flowers for Mrs. C. for letting you escape to youtube once in a while! Here's hoping you get a chance to do some more videos when time permits.
I’ll pass on a virtual bunch from you Andy. Thanks for the kind words. I’m just working on the next video and I’ve got something special coming up soon.
“They sleep in Hale and Sale by night, in Manchester by day! They travel home by CLC and MSJ&A” Converting the direct line from Altrincham to Oxford Road definitely makes the journey longer over this route. The last time I travelled over this route which was 40 years ago, The Chester Trains started from the now rarely used Bay Platform at Oxford Road. It seemed a very slow journey all those years ago but it always saved the track across Manchester from Piccadilly to Victoria.
Yes it did. I can’t say too much yet but you’ll appreciate a video I’ve got coming later in the year.
Your route knowledge is amazing. I live in Scarborough, and you have already done that route. Now your over the other side in Lancashire....Amazing knowledge.
I don’t sign every route Cliff. I used to work for Northern and signed a lot of their routes but now I drive part time for Transpennine Express so that gets me over the eastern side of the country too. There is another video from Hull to Manchester which I did drive the train in early in 2020. That will be out on the 20th Feb.
Many thanks for another good video Don, look forward to more in the future. Take care.
Thanks William. I’m working on the next one.
Those Virgin Pendolinos suggest you must have kept this up your sleeve for a year or two. Glad you rolled it out though as I enjoyed every minute of the ride.
Correct. If you have a little trawl through the video list you’ll find the outbound journey. It’s a couple of years old now.
Thanks again Don that was a very interesting trip !!! Take care ...:):):)
Harry! Good to hear from you. Keep safe over there mate. Hopefully it will be purged out when we get the jab.
Thank you driver, a very pleasant journey👍🙂
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent again Don! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
Thanks Don, another enjoyable trip 👍
Glad you enjoyed it Peter, thank you.
Thanks, Don, for your usual helpful comments. I didn't realise Badgers made their setts line-side! More please!
Hi Michael, yes, they are special train enthusiast badgers that like it there ;-) Just kidding of course. The badgers actually like it on the ballast as it stays warm at night and they don’t have to fight their way through the undergrowth but it doesn’t always end well unfortunately.
Interesting journey, odd how you stop everywhere in the middle of nowhere yet once you get into the built up area don't stop at all!
Good point! Actually Vinnie, its because there are plenty of other trains that do but well spotted.
Thanks for this, brilliant as always.
As a child I remember the line from Altrincham ran to Oxford Road, so going straight on after Navigation Road via Sale (we lived in Ashton on Mersey), Stretford, Warwick Road, Old Trafford, Deansgate and Oxford Road The route from Altrincham to Oxford Road in the 1950's was, I believe, the only electrified railway in the North of England apart from a small piece between Morecambe and Heysham for some reason
I was told the line had been electrified because of Metropolitan Vickers,where my father and grandfather both worked, possibly for an exhibition?. {In fact Metro Vicks was originally the Westinghouse plant where my grandfather started around the time when they bought and demolished the original Trafford House and Park.
It looks as if the old electrification has gone. Do trains still run directly to Oxford Road or is that only the tram type system. And o you know when the old electrification?
I know the line you mean which is indeed Metrolink. I don’t know about the electrification other than it was used up to the end of heavy rail. I’ve got something coming soon that you will really enjoy. I can’t tell you more just now other than keep watching these videos ;-)
Great video. Thanks again Mr. Coffey.
Very welcome thanks.
Love to see some Merseyrail trips,Hunts Cross to Southport maybe,back in the 70's I was a crossing keeper at Brooke Rd West,gone now that box all automated...so many different types of jobs with every station having a full crew.Miss those days.
Not so long ago I would have made it a mission to film it but I can’t promise anything these days.
Really enjoyed this Don many thanks
Glad you enjoyed it Denis.
I love these Drivers eye view vlogs, but the only thing that's spoils it for me are the plethora of adverts at the start all the way through and the end. NOTE TO UA-cam! you are spoiling it for everyone with your new add system!!! Keep them coming Don, they are great.
I know exactly where you are coming from David, they drive me nuts too. I can turn them off but any profit from these videos goes to charity. The trouble is that Google (who own UA-cam) have got rather greedy and they show them in left right and centre. Try and ignore them on the grounds that buy putting up with them you are donating to very needy charities. So far this year we’ve made just over £3000 for charity.
Surely you must have been in that crowd somewhere as, at least. an extra. The descriptions are epic. Most of the others you re lucky to know what town, bridge or viaduct you are passing through or over. Keep up the good fight.
Extra, not star? 😉. Thanks for the positive feedback Jerry 👍
Thank you for splicing in bits from other videos that cover, for instance, a junction, from a different angle - that's really appreciated.
As are all of the extra bits of information you add these days. You have a good eye for interesting things. I have to say [whilst appreciating the workload!] that more of them wouldn't hurt, even things like the route numbers of the intersecting main roads, e.g. 'A56', 'B6089', or names of all the rivers [I know you do this sometimes]. These could appear without comment in one corner of the screen for a few seconds, and would be useful, especially for a viewer who has an especial interest in part of a line and may be watching with their own map, or planning an outing to look more closely at some feature.
One exception: is it wise to point out badger setts, when badger-baiting gangs are reported to be as active as ever?
Anyway, thanks very much for what you do. It's fantastic, and fascinating not only for the various interests of railway enthusiasts, but also for mechanical engineers, civil engineers, topographers and geographers in general, and industrial and local historians - to name but a few...'
Thanks for the feedback Rob, much appreciated. I sometimes add more information but then when I watch it back it looks too cluttered so end up removing them again. Regarding badger setts, yes I know what you mean but those cretins usually know where they are anyway. Thankfully, the railway itself offers that one some protection.
Great video.Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Ha, not sure why this popped up in recommended vlogs but was interesting to watch. I'm from Chester, but have lived in Northwich for about 13 years now. I actually live in Greenbank, our house backs onto the railway(our washing can be seen on the right at about 33:08). I often wave to the drivers, usually the freight ones as they pass, being much slower we often get a wave back or a hoot of the horn.
Oh I know Steve, I’ve seen that washing out loads of times ;-) Just kidding of course. Its a funny thing how UA-cam algorithms direct people at us but I’m glad you’ve found us. You will find a trip in the opposite direction if you have a look around. All the best.
Brilliant Don, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it Laurie.
Good ride enjoyed the video.👍🇬🇧
Glad you enjoyed it
Very good again really enjoy the video
Glad you enjoyed it
Brilliant videos don-would it be possible to have a cleethorpes to manchester airport run and return-that would be a great trip...love the scenery and the journey...thanks...p.cooke
Possibly! I’m hoping to get permission to film again soon Paul. It was withdrawn for Covid but its back with the Standards Director and I’m expecting an answer again soon.
Thanks
Another great ride.
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice to see these old plastics are still in service.
Yes and will be for some time.
Don, thanks for another great video with very informative foot notes. Though you have mischievous youth, I can assure you them better than ours, that try and often succeed in striking the engine windshield, forcing our cabin windows to be protected with steel rods or at the very least, a piece of chain link fence.
Hi José. Yes, our trains get far worse than that sometimes and drivers have been killed. However, we’ve not got to metal mesh yet. One of my colleagues had a really big stone dropped right into the middle of a Class 185 window and he was only saved because the glass is extremely strong. It shattered but stayed in place. It saved his life.
Very high quality!
Next time, as you work for TPE, I recommend you film a cab ride on the Nova 2 from Manchester or Liverpool to Glasgow or Edinburgh via the WCML! :)
Up to you of course, just a suggestion.
It was planned but getting into cabs is a near impossibility at the moment.
Love all the old signal boxes on route.
They should all be gone by now but they continue to survive. Lovely aren’t they.
Another great watch.
Thank you Don.
What's next?
Hull to Manchester on Saturday then something quite different after that.
Done this trip so many times between Chester to Moorfields station and back to lime street
I must do the Merseyrail system.
Very Enjoyable. Thanks Don for all your work on these!
What does the TSR after Skelton Jct mean with the line through it? I've seen these in a number of videos.
Hi Peter. All the temporary speed restrictions are published in a pamphlet that every driver MUST carry. If the reason for the speed restriction is removed because whatever it was has been fixed, they can’t remove the signs until it is removed from the publication so they put a line through it to tell the drivers not to reduce speed for it. It’s known as a SPATE board - speed previously advised, terminated early.
Hi don,thanks for another wonderful journey,the beautiful old stations on this line are they listed?this train has got some go off the mark,thanks mate cheer's bob.
Hi Bob. Some are listed and others are safe because they have become private dwellings. I always thing that station at Barrow for Tarvin would make a superb house. The train actually looks as if its going faster than it really is due to the very wide angle lens. The newer camera let me zoom in a little but they are still wide angle.
Great video, are you (or anyone) aware of any planned upgrades for this route? Theres a massive increase in population around the Northwich/Knutsford area and it seems like there would be a good business case to improve journey times along this route for commuters to Manchester and Chester. Sadly there seems to have been a bit of a decline in use primarily down to unreliability and journey times recently!
There is a lot of talk about improved service including a half hourly service but something always seems to get in the way. It was all looking good then Coronavirus will set the railway back, possibly by years. It would be a good idea to contact the Mid Cheshire Rail Users Group and see what they say; www.mcrua.org.uk
Minor point: the freight line to Sandbach, just west of Northwich, goes via Middlewich not Winsford.
Great video. Northwich is my home town and I have travelled along this line countless times.
PS. Just noticed the comment re the line to Sandbach. I should have read all the comments before adding mine. Apologies.
Yes, thanks for that Roger. Somebody else pointed out my error and I couldn’t believe I’d written it because I know full well it should be middlewich. I’ve added a correction to the video description.
thank you for sharing your videos. do you sometimes find that when you finish work you are miles away from home?
Its a good question. We don’t at Transpennine and Northern, they always get us back home the same day although sometimes in a taxi if the service terminated away from base. I think some of the long distance operators and certainly freight drivers lodge away from home.
Was of the understanding CLC was the route between Manchester and Liverpool via Widnes. Always referred to this line as the Mid-Cheshire.
That is true but both lines were operated by the CLC. Have look; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Lines_Committee#/media/File:Cheshire_Lines_map_1899.jpg
I live near one of the station's you go through on this line. 😊
There are some lovely towns along that route. Thanks for watching.
Nice ride - that train sure doesn't sound like it wants to brake very much!
The wide angle lens gives the impression of speed but the brakes work quite well on the old 150s.
@@doncoffey5820 Interesting. I was thinking about the howling brakes :)
Thanks Don, take care.
Same to you Tony, thanks.
Nice video sorry I missed the premiere
No problem 😊. Another premier soon.
always wondered where the northern train sat at chester went when changing at chester to go wales
Aye that’s it. Nearly always Platform 6 bay.
Hi Don
Great video as always. My mate who retired after 50 years as a driver at Crewe tells me that you made a slight error in the description of "Northwich West Junction". You state in the video that the freight line branches off there to "Sandbach via Winsford". My mate says this should read "Sandbach via Middlewich" !! Just thought you might want to know. My mate occasionally drove over this route with diversionary expresses from Holyhead to Crewe, or sometimes coal trains from Trentham to Oakleigh.
Cheers
Derek
Cumbria
It does indeed and he is correct. I’ve added a correction to the video description. Thanks to you both.
Fascinating as always. Hopefully the Hartford Viaduct wasn't harmed in the recent flooding.
The weather punishes the railway every year but they always fix it.
Does the branch from Heaton Norris Jn to Guide Bridge still have only one passenger train - in one direction - per WEEK ?
Yes as far as I know it does Alan. Stockport to Stalybridge.
Thanks Don, another line I have 'copped'. I note there are no check rails on Northwich viaduct, what are the criteria for installing these? Great quality and captioning as usual.
Good question! Its all about risk and because the line speed is fixed at 20mph they are not needed. Glad you liked the video and thanks for being a subscriber.
Great video. Thanks ! Do you feel it would be worth reopening Cheadle Station ?
According to the local papers, it was almost a done job just before Coronavirus. It might take a few years to get back to normal but the traffic in that area is appalling during rush hour. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/cheadle-on-cusp-having-railway-18596810
How many stations are there between Chester and Manchester Piccadilly via Knutsford and Altringham?
They are listed at the beginning Joel.
Nice video and great captioning, shame the video quality in many places is pretty bad, it might have been compressed a bit too aggressively?
It was uploaded at 1080p/60 so its definitely a streaming issue. The original is very clear.
Cheers Don enjoyed that route. Not great with the kids chucking stuff off the bridge....
Yes, we think it was an apple or something similar which you could say is harmless but we occasionally get a windscreen put through and a very shaken driver to deal with. A Class 185 definitely saved the life of one of my colleagues as they dropped a coping stone which hit the windscreen right in the middle one day. It completely destroyed the screen but it stayed in place and my mate lives to tell the tale.
I think the 150s will eventually be replaced by the 195s, right?
Possibly Dave. I don’t think they’ve got them all yet and I believe they have options on more new ones so as soon as there are enough available we might see them over there.
Thanks once again Don for the video and additional information. If you acknowledge an advance speed warning signal, but are exceeding the limit at the warning sign, are the brakes applied as they would be at a red signal? Is it the same situation at a temporary speed restriction?
Its the same at a fixed speed restriction but not at a temporary one. Incidentally, each railway company must conduct routine speed monitoring. This is often done by downloading the on train data recorder but occasionally they go out with a radar identical to the ones the police use.
When was this video shot? I see a Virgin class 390 in it. I thought Virgin Rail no longer exists.
It’s quite an old one Igor. I think it was late 2018 or early 2019.
Is it p[ossible to use, say, a 50mm lens instead of a wide angle, some time please.
I’ve just answered a comment on getting the definition right and this subject of perspective is my second bugbear. In my earliest attempts, I tried dashcams, camcorders and digital cameras. In the end, the only camera I could find that didn’t “hunt” for focus of shut down after several minutes was a GoPro. The first one was a Hero Black but it suffered the same very wide angle lens as the dashcam. Two subsequent models later and the perspective was awful and they would freeze or overheat for fun. Only on GoPro 8 and later have I got the ability to zoom in but it’s a digital zoom so while the perspective is better, the definition is off in low light. The bottom line is Tony, to get everything just right I’d need broadcast standard cameras and I can neither afford them or cart them around. I’m at work when I do this and I can’t delay a train to set up a large camera and my work bag weighs a ton already. Until an action camera comes with a decent lens I’m stuck with about 38mm focal length.
Hi Don I have i question from Sweden. Why did we meet a pacer? Shouldnt they end of they performance in 2020?
Hi Roger. Yes, this was filmed in early 2019 when they were still in service. Try to watch my next film which is out on the 20th Feb as we pass a location where many Class 142s are sitting awaiting disposal.
Fascinating video, really love the narrative.
I must admit, I got really angry when I saw those twats on the bridge!
Lol!!! Yes, they are somebody’s little darlings ;-)
So the Mouldsworth to Helsby freight only line gone too, saddens me....
Saddens me too Paul. I’m hoping to put the Halton Curve video back soon where you can see the other end.
What is the model of the cummins engine?
Its an M14 which is just the same as in many trucks. However it is lay on its side under the floor midships on our train - one on each vehicle.
i'm from northwich this line has too many stops i don't have a clue why it even stops in greenbank
For the people that live there I guess!!!
19:55 To be fair, nothing works better than keeping the bloomin trees away from the railway to begin with!! You could argue they look nice, but I really don't think the risk to life and institutional cost of autumn leaf fall is worth it. You could argue for the ecological aspect, but the railways (especially nowadays...) take up an absolutely minuscule amount of the country, and would displace very few trees versus our society's favourite tarmac abominations, like motorways and car parks!
The lineside seems to be an emotive subject and oh do the environmentalists and the press kick off if NR clear it. Then something like Salisbury occurs and the press deem it negligent. You can’t win!!!
Brunner Mond in Northwich - thats a name from the past
Haha, aye, I remember the road trucks with “MOND DIVISION” on the door!
@@doncoffey5820 Think BM was even before ICI. Even ICI has now gone from the chemical industry many years ago. I
I don't have any words for about those idiots on the bridge, I hope BTP is doing something because I bet it is a regular problem? The only other thing was I kept looking out in these videos to see the site of the old Mayfield Station, I think there is an excavator in the shot where it used to be, strange how until recently they had plans to reopen it, then all of sudden it is demolished to make way for HS redevelopment
Those kids were not as bad as some. The real bad ones are the ones that drop coping stones or hurl bricks because those stand a chance of getting through the windscreen. Mayfield is in the video and it has been partially demolished. I think it is more to make it safe and reduce maintenance but they have made an outdoor venue for concerts etc and developed the land somewhat. The HS2 station will actually be built over on the opposite side of the station under current plans.
At just over 30 mins the 150 dmu suddenly changes to a locomotive!
Haha, yes, I thought you might find it interesting to see the junction from the other side!
the bridges seem very low on this line
Might be the wide angle lens that causes it.
I tried to watch this video but the number of mid-roll ads is just ridiculous.
Yes, I’m sorry. I watch car videos on youtube and the ads drive me nuts. However, the big difference is, I don’t profit from the revenue I give it to charity so try to put up with them in the knowledge that somebody less fortunate will benefit. The channel has raised over £3000 so far and I’ll announce which charity will get it in April.
Do you ever worry something might be coming the other way on single tracks.?
No, not really, the interlocking is quite safe. However, there are many aspects in which we just have to trust the system. For example, we do 100mph in thick fog when we can barely see a thing.