5 Misconceptions About The Dune Saga
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- Most people just know of Dune rather than having ever read Dune. Furthermore more many people’s idea of what Frank Hebert’s Dune is, comes from them having seen its 1984 adaption directed by David Lynch and starring Kyle MacLachlan as Paul Atreides. The 1984 movie not only had some serious plot and pacing issues but actually diverged from the book significantly. In this video, we will go over some of the most common misconceptions that people have about the Dune Saga.
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Correction: The book Dune is often cited as the best selling science fiction book of all time. The Saga itself is not claimed to be the best selling science fiction series.
Did you not enjoy all of the books written by his son? The 9 prequel novels and the resolution books expand the amazing universe of Dune. While he is not his father... I thought the authors did great. Will you ever make videos exploring the other books?
Despite some disappointments, I actually enjoyed them too.
I think the son completing what his father had started to be a beautiful juxtaposition of the Dune saga itself.
What is the son but an extension of the father?
What is the music playing at 3:30
Something that most people don't get about the FTL travel in the Dune universe: The reason why Spice is necessary is because, if you're traveling faster than light, you have no way to "see" where you are going. That's why, without the prescience provided by Spice, it's impossible to plot a course.
Star Wars has the same problem, the Eternal Empire used a similar idea.
But later made Navcomputers
Idiots, just wait for the light to catch up so you can see, smh
Not impossible. They did it with computers before thinking machines were banned after the butler's jihad.
Actually, no.
You don't need "actual vision" to plot a course, you need knowledge and calculus.
Speaking about interstellar travel the knowledge needed would be huge, and calculus constant, as a navigator would need to store and calculate and store again relative positions of planets and moons inside solar systems, of stars inside constantly moving galaxies, of galaxies inside galaxy clusters...
A HUGE database would be needed to store this kind of data, and the calculus for long trips would be amazingly complex.
It would take very powerful computers to do this math... Or a prescient mind of course 😅
It's like the use of mentats instead of computational machines.
It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the holy bean of java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, shakes become a warning. It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion
Well done :)
Really do hope they keep the mentat mantra in the new movie.
@@alanpennie8013 It was not in the books though. But I admit it was cool.
Bravo.
We have just folded laundry from Ix. Many washing machines on Ix.
Quinn is the first person in 100 years to wear a fedora while still seeming trustworthy. I don’t know how he does it.
It's a trilby, actually. Smaller brim. I have a straw summer trilby.
The roaring 20's are back, baby!
@@alexanderlotharson5634 I think he's actually Mos Def hiding out as a guy named Quinn so he can talk about his Dune addiction
It's the voice.
@@8jgonz Quinn needs to spit some fire on the mic with a few verses from Ms. Fat Booty or Mathematics!
So many people just have no idea how incredible the dune universe is and how epic the books are. I’m thankful of this channel for its attempt to bring it all to the fore.
I've read only the first book and it noted me so I haven't read all the others
@@c.f.6655 it noted you? What does that mean?
@@ballsrgrossnugly *bored ....didnt realize the typo
@@c.f.6655 No worries, I just couldn't figure it out!
THIS!
Paul is not a hero: I think that’s why Lynch may have tailored Paul’s character as a type of King David persona. King David was highly flawed in the old testament story and that’s actually the point of the tales surrounding him as king.
And the bigger picture kind of way Paul Atreides has the biggest villain in the Dune Saga trillions of people died in his reign the whole idea I got from the Dune Saga is Humanity doesn't need another savior it needs somebody to save us from salvation
@@donaldpingleton2382, right? It’s far to easy to disguise gentrification as salvation: We get to do what-ever we want with your resources, because we’ve somehow made your people more civilized.
@@donaldpingleton2382 technically "only" 61 billion died from Paul's Jihad.
Although if you count the actions taken by Leto II to ensure humanity's survival as a collective species, then the deaths from the Tyrant's reign indeed numbered in the trillions.
As Quinn said, Paul's inability to embrace the Golden Path made Leto's reign far more bloodier than was orginally intended.
r/theTyrantdidnothingwrong
All these people who say Paul is not the hero come off as trying desperately to sound smart.
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt you have to read until Children of Dune why Paul is exactly not a hero. If you only read Dune, then it is incomplete since Paul's arc ends at the 3rd novel.
My mantra when I am in fear is from Dune!
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
Works every time!
Peace and Love ❤️
I read that every time I fly somewhere
Mine too, although in my case it doesn't always work. Last friday I mentioned Miles Teg in a talk, because of the diversity of humankind and how our skills are different, therefore can be valuable depending on our development. I don't know if there was a Dune fan in the room, but everyone seemed truly inspired xD.
Fear is the mindkiller taught me a valuable life lesson long ago. One i carry with me to this day. I simply dont let emotion..especially fear rule me. And it all came from there
You "simply" don't let emotion rule you, but it's not that simple. Not even for the sisters. It requires constant attention. Don't talk like it's easy, I know people who will never learn how to deal with their emotions. Actually the Bene Gesserit did not try to control emotions, they tried to suppress them, which in my opinión can bring more problems than solutions. Controlling emotions in a healthy way can take a lifetime and not without mistakes, by the way. If someone believes that he/she has reached the goal, better be prepared to fail.
ah, 😅
i have a problem with the prayer,
meaning, if i knew that there would be a me afterwards, why would i fear?
but other than life and limb situations, it does help sometimes, knowing everything, even fear, is transient.
about emotions, i have a bias about that too i guess.
as far as i can see, other than fight or flight response, the people who say dont be emotional! people are emotional! why cant they be logical like me! are the most emotional of them all, fear being the most prevalent in their range.
i, i admit dont have that much life experience, dont think emotions and logic exist as seperate entities, let alone being opposites, or ones existance negating the other. what people deem to call cool hard logic, generally, not allways, is just apathy for the outcomes effects on other people, or other groups. as an example, one calculates that a city has quite a high possibility of flood happening this year, and lets it known to whoever is capable of doing something about saving the citys residents and fights the ignorance that stops protective measures. these are logical acts. and emotional too. not fighting to the point of risking their own life is logical too, but emotional too. not letting anyone know of the danger, selling everything you have and moving somewhere else is logical too, but thats emotional too. people seem to gloss over the emotions involved in this act and thus some call this act purely logical. pure...... ....... i have some emotion dust on my glasses, because i cant see pure logic in this.😶
in nature, light and dark for their most powerful form exists at the surface of the suns, and just outside the event horizon of the black holes. even there some radiation can be found, and everyone knows sun has spots, relatively darker points.
and dark is a concept, not a thing, the thing is light.
emotion is a concept, not a thing. the thing, when you distill them down, is logic.
hormones, education/knowledge, population pressure, health, wealth, other priorities, capability of the person etc... just changes the aim, changes the priorities.
so in my eyes, everything is logic, and logic has many forms and faces.
even being upset is logical. its needed.
though, maybe i am a bit too emotional to see their difference. 🤔😶😣
I read the first dune book when I was 25 and soon I'll be 69. It's my favorite series with the 4th God Emprorer the best to me. I bacame a biologist and an ecologist because of Dune and taught biology for many years at the college level. One of the most important lessons of Dune is planetary budgets - now the source of much angst in the news. Paul who is definatley not the hero says at one point , "There are problems that have no solution". I live in the Southwest and soon it will be more like Arrakis.
Wow.
stole the first from my older brother. he found me reading it. chuckled and just asked if i was understanding it. I admit it was a task, but it was rewarding and i have been hooked on scifi since
nice
I'm 25 right now and have just started Dune :)
@@scy3591 underrated comment
Misconception: Dune is a serious space opera about powerful factions and leaders
Reality: Dune is a sci-fi series about ecology and social evolution.
Um... Just curious where did the space opera reference come from? I'm legitimately just curious.
@@rubdulbah3201 dont know exactly but ive always seen it as a play on 'soap operas'
Evolution of Human beings and human culture... over vast periods of time
@SignoftheMagi
:
_Dune_ is about all those things and much more.
@@rubdulbah3201 maybe people mix up the tone of star wars with dune's. Star wars is considered to be a space opera (which it is)
Dune actually changed my life. I was a teenager in the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses when I read it in my 70's. The concepts it raised over religion made reevaluate my religion and ultimately lead me to break free of that poisonous religion.
Can you tell me more about that? Curious to hear your story.
Wow, Dune can changes our lives in one way or another.
Congratulations, you understood the book very well indeed!
Interesting as my journey took me in the other direction but then I was born outside of it which makes a lot of difference. Not in it anymore, I must say, but for other reasons.
Sorry for my English, but i can tell you i feel the same way about what happen in my live about Dune. I was a young kid when a see Dune the film of Lynch on the tv. I like the vision of an univers whit a complex system of politique, war, and beautyfull, the space, the idea of an other possibility. At this time just something happen to my self like wow something ! Some years after at ten or eleven when i found that book in an library that was the Emperor of Dune. Damn there is something more so ?! I read the book and i found the others books series. And yhea that change my live ! Realy Dune's series was like my Bible ! To ten- twenty i read many times all of them and that make me a lot of think about the society, philosophie, war, manipulation, sens of live, dream about something more but whitout forget what can be the reality. A lot of things ! Also i'm one for who the Brian Herbert project continuation was a fresh and expension of this journey even if i can say the Father had a better knowledge for the writing, but i enjoy what i found valuable in the extension series likes the New and Old Testament. These books for all there is inside change my live ! After years i like to say something, when i was open a page of Dune it was like a open a windows in my mind to see the univers !
David Lynch’s Dune was the reason I sought out the Dune books as a child.
And I mean a child. I had a toy sandworm even. My parents were pretty amused by my love for Dune.
Whenever they were upset with me I could get out of it by relaxing my posture and calmly saying,
“There is a Harkonnen among you.”
Thank you Mr. Herbert and Mr Lynch.
lol
"There is a Harkonnen among you," lol. I watched the SciFi miniseries when it came out and I was 10 years old. Really scared and fascinated me at the same time, but unfortunately I got into the Duneverse when I was already 26, after a dream in which suddenly I remembered every single detail of that night watching the first episode. I know it seems unbeliavable, like ghola memories or something similar xDDDD, but it's true. So you had a toy sandworm, but was it big enough so you could ride it, or did you make your dolls ride it? Honestly I would love to get a baliset, although surely I would never learn how to play it. As a child I remember my uncle kidding as if I were a Fremen because I was skinny, my hair was dark and my eyes so blue. I also practiced martial arts.
my dad LOVED that movie and I HATED it. i still do to this day. i never would have read it but i was in new york and someone left out a box of books on a corner and there was an old paperback. i started reading and couldn't put it down.
Are you still reading it?
@@zannaifacedancer5915 They said they couldn't put it down, so, yes. Yes they are.
When I read the first book at 17 it completely shifted the way I thought of heroes and villains in media and the light vs. dark trope (huge SW fan here), and it honestly put me off. That and its massive vocabulary/world building. Sci-fi was supposed to be about escapism, right? I read about half, put it down and picked it up and started over a year later. This was the first time I experienced the deeply complex and flawed nature of mankind in rather than the easily palatable picture in the media I was used to. It's painfully, beautifully human and that's why it's so extremely immersive. I read it again at 30 and it was like reading a new version of the same book. My own (quite fitting) rite of passage of sorts.
you have great self-awareness and insight!! i’m glad you had this experience
God-Emperor of Dune will always be my favourite. Almost devoid of action-scenes and basically entirely carried by the conversations Leto has with the various other characters, it somehow manages to be the most fascinating book in the series. But man, did I hate both Siona and Duncan.
Best book, pivotal Characters God emperor is the bridge from the old to the new.
My favorite too. The ending hits you like an explosion. But the first is the better story.
Messiah is my favorite I don’t know why people didn’t like it as much. It was such a perfect epilogue to Dune and that ending was so frustrating but perfect at the same time
Same. But it turned my favorite only after reading the following books. Maybe I was a bit young on my first read but after we realize and understand what sacrifices Leto had accepted and for what reasons, the emperor god is in my opinion the most moving and disturbing book of the series.
God-Emperor is the book I found hardest to read.
I found it a drag until about chapter 25.. but once you start to see the cogs turn into place it does an about-face and is actually pretty hard to put down.
I can say this without any exaggeration. The Dune series is the most influential series of books I have ever read. From the fear mantra, to Fremon minimalism, to Herbert's thoughts on the real motivations of freedom fighters, and political dynamics in general. This series is easily on the same level with Tolkien's Hobbit and Lord of the rings👍
... ditto.
I read LOTR in the 8th grade, and then the Dune saga as a senior in high school. Both are fantastic. Sad thing is I haven’t found any other series that could grab my imagination. I would stay up on school nights past midnight reading these books. My niece did the same with Harry Potter.
Hopefully it gets the same due diligence on the big screen as lotr.
@@Sr89hot I'd say give the Eisenhorn trilogy a go. They evoke some incredible imagery and it really explores the concept of crossing the line and how the closer you get to it the harder it is to see until it becomes impossible to turn around.
My personal head Canon has the Dune saga ending with the great Scattering at the end of God Emperor of Dune (best book in the series in my opinion). I love the idea of after millenia of so much brutal oppresion and stagnation, the future of mankind was a mystery, and we as fans can come up with our own ideas. Instead of dumb heretics and chapterhouse.
Spice isn't JUST feces...
It's ALSO feces, among other things.
What a load of shit
@@LJW1912 I get it, lol.
I discovered the Dune Saga in the summer of 1980 when I was 12 years old and still to this day if ever I waste water my first thought is "What would Stilgar think of me?" and I actually feel chagrined.
damn it i feel that so hard lol
i feel the same when i waste a can of pepsi
When I see a abandoned bottle of water on a job site I have to set the water free
😂😆
Having a 'Dune mentality' really helped my family during our many droughts (CA). Xeriscaping really saved our landscaping and gardens. Drip systems!!! The neighbors went mad! Called the Water Co. They came and checked our meter, so sorry, they're using less water than you folks are and they have more people and pets. After that they came and asked my folks how we did it and kept things so green. My dad actually said, "They were taught water discilipine from a young age. Don't waste it, save it and use it!", we were dying of laughter upstairs!!! But it was true!
One of the biggest misconceptions I had of Dune was that the ecological transformation of Arrakis was the ultimate goal. I got the idea by reading only the tiny descriptions on the backs of the paperbacks. That Arrakis became desert again seemed to be a failure to me, that something went wrong. When you read the books, you understand transforming Arrakis was a sideshow.
The 3 themes of dune are politics, human potential and ecology. Dune is an ecological novel and the transformation of Dune is not a sideshow.
That the book series is called dune and in the end the planet is backwater and then that happens to it is great.
I'm one of the people who was put off by Book 2. Here's why: (spoilers)
As you said in this video, (and as is apparent to those who pay attention) Paul is not a hero. And yet the story structure of Book 1 is the quintessential hero's journey. I ended book 1 rooting for Paul, happy with his success, amazed by his powers. I was just like those who took up his cause, blinded by his charisma. (Not that he's an evil person, mind you). Book 2 basically tells you right at the beginning that Paul is going to fail hard; that he's a goner. The entire book is a downward arc towards his destruction, and he's powerless to stop it. I finished it but I didn't want to read further.
What I realize now is Frank Herbert absolutely accomplished what he set out to do. I had been duped by hero-worship. I'm re-reading book 1 now and plan to read the entire series.
mezzyjezze he’s wrong, Paul is a hero, if he wasn’t there’d be no point.
He (Paul) acts out of a self-aware, forward-thinking necessity for survival and the realization that unless he acts to completely negate the threat of the Harkonnens and seize the protection of the throne of the empire he and his family-including the many people ruled by them-will be doomed to a harrowing future and likely extinction.
Not just for them but for an entire society, as he comes to find out, perhaps the entire human race eventually as his prescience later reveals.
The point, rather, is that the choice of giving over the power of self-determinacy to a heroic/messianic figure is not a healthy nor mature one as a society/species. It is something like the child that seeks direction from a trusted parent. Not what they themselves would do about a situation of their own capability. Especially when some choices made out of intentions of safety or security can end up leading to terrible violence or weakness/blindness to unknown threats.
The consequences of the upheaval necessary to secure the security and continuity for the formerly oppressed lead to terrible bloodshed and tyranny.
Not to mention that every major paradigm shift, including ecological change, comes at a heavy cost, necessary as it may or may not be to accomplish.
It’s an eyes-open look at trying to self-examine how society at large and small scale and myth cycles work, judging them not harshly but as pragmatically as possible. All while demonstrating that the journey of a hero doesn’t end after their great triumph, and that the consequences of their defiance of the otherwise likely direction of the universe can be just as catastrophic if followed through.
@@macguyverbond7480 I think part of the problem is that the extinction threat was so large in the books that it made Paul's choice rational, and thus in a sense, heroic. He doesn't just doom society to the oppression needed, but he sacrifices it. To the people during Leto II's reign, yes it is absolutely abhorrent, yet it saved them from total extinction which would have obviously been far, far worse.
Really, the big problem is that the last book never got made, and so whether Paul was vindicated (these were necessary choices to prevent total extinction) or whether he was wrong (thus dooming the universe to torment) isn't really explored.
The crux is that not all heroes are necessarily considered heroes at the time, but are instead identified later once the dust settles.
deanolium alas cosmic coincidence left us with a semi-open ended question as to Frank Herbert’s punctuation mark on the conclusion to it.
@@macguyverbond7480 Yes, Paul is a hero - but I agree with mezzyjezze on what Dune Messiah was trying to do. It deconstructs and tramples on the popular notion of a hero, showing all the failures and doom of Paul's life, but the point is: That is inevitable if we raise humans to hero status. Paul is a hero, and that means he is not a "hero" as those looking up to him see him.
Paul assumed the role of the Mahdi to save his life, yet it was exactly that that eventually led to the Fremen Djihad and the threat of dooming humanity to an existence determined by prescience. Paul was not ready to sacrifice himself at multiple points in the story - that is understandable but does not eliminate the consequences.
I loved 2 because it was still masterful and fascinating and felt like the first book, but the third was a drudgery due to being insufferably repetitious and pretentious, and due to general nastiness (and what it did to previously likable characters) and Leto II being unlikeable ( C insufferable repetition and pretentiousness) .
That and Irulan essentially becomes a nonentity.
I met Frank Herbert and got my first Dune book signed....
How old are you
That is awesome
you lucky bastard 🤣
Was that on the Kitsap peninsula in Washington state where he was born and raised I live a very short distance from his hometown I've found first editions at used bookstores here I've also found several of his non Dune books last year I read one that's completely out of print call the green mind
Wow. Wonderful.
Me: *is reading children of Dune”
Quinn: “Paul is only present for the first 3 books”
Me: “Say what-“
@Ken MacDonald book 5, and I agree with you.
I wasn’t really impressed by any of the books by his son.
@@chrissmith7669 That's because all his son's books are utter trash. They take the characters and the world but make cheap shallow stories out of them.
@@1BeGe Can't agree with that entirely the first sequel is pretty good and clearly was along way into being written by Frank Herbert IMO. There is so much structure that follows on so well this feels like a Frank Herbert book in many places, although it is not perfect. The final book still has some good points but is now drifting away and there is a feeling now that the author is less sure of the ending
@Stannis Baratheon No...he just thinks a hero has to not be specifically set up as an anti-hero by the books, to the admission of the author himself :/
Frank Herbert was the Shakespeare of sci fi, and God Emperor is his magnum opus.
I wasn’t too big a fan of god emperor. Granted it was good and definitly and evolution from children of dune and messiah but it didn’t really hook me like the others did. However, it was very cool to see how things changed so much from the time of Muad’Dib
I really enjoyed messiah because I feel like Paul really filled into his role as a leader and I thought it was cool reading about this war he waged across the galaxy
He’s also like Shakespeare in that his portrayal of Jews and Jewish communities is skewed, toxic, regressive, and plays into harmful stereotypes.
Michael Bay is the closest analogue to Shakespeare for our modern era. Think about that.
Ugh. God Emperor was the worst of the original books, imo. I'm a bit of a glutton for punishment when it comes to reading, but that one I really struggled with.
When I re-read the saga, I often start with Dune: Messiah. The first book is so firmly established in my mind that I can skip it. As an aside, I am also very grateful that Jodorowsky's interpretation of Dune was never made.
I started my last re-reading of the saga last year with Heretics, because to my taste it is the hardest nut to crack. Finally I even re-re-read Heretics as well. I am not a big fan of the son's prequels, but I know I'll keep on re-reading the father's saga for many years.
I started rereading the series recently. I wasn't looking forward to Messiah honestly, didn't care for it the first time. I'm loving it this time around though. I think I might prefer it to Dune.
I've first learned about Dune from the Dune 2 video game as a little kid, watching my brothers play. Then I played the Dune adventure game and realized there's actually a plot to the story.
When I first read the first novel in my early 20s years later after playing these two games, my mind was completely blown.
I was a thirteen year old boy when I first read Dune. And it changed how I viewed the World immensely. Nothing, up to that point, seemed the same again. It was like taking an Acid trip, but the Trip was in the books! How I saw religion, politics, and Messiahs would never be the same after reading Dune. Never before (and perhaps never again), had a book had such influence over me.
> “Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.”
> “Absolute power does not corrupt absolutely, absolute power attracts the corruptible.”
> “There is no escape-we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”
> “Nature does not make mistakes. Right and wrong are human categories.”
> “The people who can destroy a thing, they control it.”
> “My father once told me that respect for truth comes close to being the basis for all morality. 'Something cannot emerge from nothing,' he said. This is profound thinking if you understand how unstable 'the truth' can be.”
> “Never attempt to reason with people who know they are right!”
> “How often it is that the angry man rages denial of what his inner self is telling him.”
> “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”
^ this. The understanding of power structures and humans both as individuals and populations that is held within these books will change your life forever.
I've been meaning to read it for a long time - and these quotes have finally pushed me to start, thank you
Never attempt to reason with people who know they are right. This is a huge time and effort saver advice. Thanks.
Thank you, for remembering me of this amazing sentences/ideas from the book. 👍🏼
@@TarpeianRock So, just stay off the internet then?
I started with Dune before God Emperor was published, instant addiction. I've re-read the series so many times, and I still get aspects from it I hadn't noticed before.
Its a perfect reread for that !
Hyuk hyuk, yer ooold grampa. Hyuk hyuk..
The entire series is at the top of my list of top 50 books to reread before I die.
I read it once every decade.
I gets better every time. I hope to reread it at least twice yet.
I read the books as they come out after 1980.
My son read the entire sequel one after the other.
Frank Herbert is like the spice it expands consciousness and makes you feel comfortable with the ever growing unknown that it reveals via expanding knowledge. ZEN
When I got my 15 year hands on Heretics and Chapterhouse, I realised just how great Frank Herbert was. I brought Dune after hearing "To Tame a Land" on Iron Maiden's "Piece of Mind" album (great track, great song) when I was 12. Granted Dune, Messiah, Children and God Emperor had come out by that time. So I read them. Then Heretics came out, and one and a half year later Chapterhouse. Wow, bloody wow., Being bored by God Emperor (I was 14 when I read first - see it so much different years later) , and then realising exactly what Herbert had done in that book to set up the quite extraordinary last 2 - was as if I'd got a spice addiction. To this day, when someone says "I've read Dune" I respond with "to the end"? And, no, not the shite I brought from his son and that other hack 18 or so years later.
Heretics and CH are sublime works. Miles Teg and Darwi Odrade are the Atreides and the Sisterhood are properly seen, by Taraza and Darwi, as what could become of the human race
Now let's all go scattering along a golden path
(oh, I read all 6 yearly - or at least every 14 months or so. Along with Stephen Donaldson's The Gap series. Both immense works of art)
awesome that you are also a fan of Donaldson's Gap series... I find so few people that even know it exists.
@@Fraterchaoraterchaos I'd actually read Donaldson's Thomas Covenant book 1 and 2 before I read Dune. But when the Gap started to come out I was amazed at how different it was from his earlier stuff. Was hooked, and still am. I find it exemplary writing, and it being based on Norse myth was just excellent stuff. Anyone I have met, and meet, when talking about favourite books, and such like, Dune is said, but then I say "oh, and you need to read the Gap cycle". I'll never stop saying that!! Glad you've read it as well and appreciate it for the literary masterpieces they are. Can't believe how long I was waiting for This Day all Gods Die to come out. What characters!!
@@GarethMcKenzieHumphries Indeed... in some ways I might even say the Gap series is better than Dune. Or at the very least, equal to it.
I just became one of those people who even know that The gap cycle exist, thank you both. I will look for it, always willing to accept Dune fans recommendations, although I'm not a native English speaker. Heretics will always be my favorite in the Dune series, with Sheeana exceeding my expectations and piercing shamelessly through a supposedly armored heart every time she appears.
Yeah that Duncan's moral bullshit was absolutely out of place. It can be a useful lesson for fanatics. Even a super Smart and open minded guy can be so mean and behave unfairly with his own family.
I was very young when the movie came out, and though it might not be accurate, like many other movie adaptations, it made me look for the source material. So no matter how bad a movie adaptation is, its value is always in having potential fans look into what inspired it. And then be handsomely rewarded by their curiosity.
My favorite book of the series is 'Heretics of Dune' wherein we start to really understand what the God Emperor was preparing us for.
I‘m on about my fourth go through the entire series, and I do think „Chapterhouse Dune“ is fascinating. I keep thinking of the Bene Gesserit as Jesuits.
@@qthedancer4711 They are!
I saw David Lynch's Dune after reading the book so I was aware of the differences between the book and Lynch's movie. I like Lynch's movie but compartmentalize it as _David Lynch's_ Dune, a kind of operatic sci-fi adventure but not Frank Herbert's Dune
An excellent introduction to the ‘Dune Saga’. I have always felt that the ‘Dune Saga’ - in its entirety - is far more ‘psychohistorical’ than even the ‘Foundation Trilogy’. Well done!
You should think about reading for audio books, you have a great voice and linguistic skills. Love your content dude.
I agree. The reader is the most important part in an audio book. The best books suck, if the reader does not meet my taste, but mediocre books can be very enjoyable if read by someone doing a good job.
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Yeah. Call audible now
I agree....
And he's handsome! 🥰
Well done analysis. I read Dune in 1973 for the first time. I was 13 years old. I’ve re-read it about a dozen times since then, and always find something new.
I reread it every 4-5 years...and still manage to pull new things out of it. Spectacular.
And each time you read it, ... your life changes, doesn't it, Thomas?
Well, don't know if I'd go that far....but I did think about it when I was at war in the desert. Starship Troopers too.....
Well you have more patience than I have. Once is enought🔑
Glad you're out there knocking things out. I value your perspective. Thanks for your time and energy.
I was captivated by Dune in middle school. The evocative writing style and invitation to immerse yourself in a complex web of political scheming drew me in.
My favorite chapter is actually the dinner scene in Arakeen palace.
What a tragedy to not read this yourself! If you are reading this, go get a copy and enjoy!
I once owned the first 4 in hard cover. They were lost to me when my family storage unit lapsed states away. Now I'm afraid to even look at the cost of them in "Good" condition.
Great choice, one of my favorite scenes too.
What a scene! I think of it often. The death of Liet Kynes is another that comes to mind.
@@nutshell_12 At least Shai Hulud took him. Better than being reduced to a husk by the sun. He deserved to continue guiding his people, but he received a good death.
I have seen a video of Frank Herbert himself reading the Dinner Scene.
Search in YT and I’m sure you can find it..
Dune taught me, how dangerous Stagnation is! It was also what the movie “Thing To Come”, warned humanity about!
We human tend to feed on each other lives, when we stop striving for a better life, thereby destroying people to maintain our current lifestyles!
That is not a perspective I had heard or considered before. Interesting. Thanks
@@avisian8063 Some want an easy life, but for others to pay for it, I think that is why we have classes, so that the few, have a better lifestyle, then most people, and at their expense as well.
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I've read them all(original six) at least fifteen times, Children, Chapterhouse, and Heretics over twenty, and I can still learn new things. Thank you. I just started again ahead of the new movie, as well as soaking up all I can here on UA-cam. I appreciate your assessments of it all.
I’ve read all the Dune books and the trilogy multiple times. Herbert is one of my favorite authors and has many good books besides Dune.
For Real~!
Destination Void and the Pandora series! 😍
The White Plague! 😍
Whipping Star!
Your comment has made me purchase some of Frank Herbert’s other works!
The Godmakers, The Destination:Void trilogy, and his non-sci-fi, like Dreamcatcher. You can always tell if he's written something. Whipping Star even had at least one sequel. I haven't read all of the Herbert books on my shelf - I found so many at a discount book store for so cheap I bought them completely out.
I met Brian Herbert once. He really appreciated how interested I was in his dad's works. I was maybe 19 (2008), and just randomly noticed him from some photo I had seen of him and his dad. I've met probably 5 or 6 people that knew him since then, since I come from around where Herbert worked in so many of his multifarious jobs around Tacoma and WA, generally.
Thanks for sharing your experience, because after Reading an interview my first impression was bad, I'm surely wrong.
I've felt so strongly about Frank Herbert's masterful world that he built, it actually made me angry to read his son's rice-paper thin sequels that just seemed to ride coattails and totally dishonor the original work. Never felt this personal about another author before.
I'm not a huge fan of the expanded Dune but I'm not a detractor as if Brian Herber were an heretic or something like tthat. I just tend to think about the Duneverse in a Gestalt way. I mean, it Works for me as a whole, even with the decisions that have disappointed me in both sequels Hunters and especially Sandworms. It Works for me like our universe where everything is not worth it or is cleverly designed. Imo it's the only way to not go mad or feel unnecessarely annoyed because of a sci fi book series. A series that I love deeply, otherwise I would not be here using my account, but it's fiction anyway. Actually it's not so hard for me to forgive Brian and Anderson, since they did a great job with my favorite character so I have already receibed my compensation in the sequels and actually enjoyed the prequels.
There’s no mention of “folding space” until briefly in book 3 which talks a little about the mathematics of space travel. Great video, thank you. Great Novel!
Saw the movie long before I read the book. I like some of the things Lynch brought to the table- the steam punk aesthetic, the heart plugs, Harkonnen with reverse mohawks, bald Bene Gesserit, weirding modules, Piter's litany, the Baron with face sores, etc.
I met a guy in basic training that was a huge Dune fan. You aren't allowed to have books unless their religious texts or the army smart book, so he smuggled me in a copy and I saw why he liked it so much. Kennedy was a cool dude.
Should have told them he was a fremen from the church of Mua'Dib
Early on during the Iraq insurgency the book we most commonly found in the hands of the insurgents was of course the Koran, but the second most common was Dune.
@@fmatson We most commonly found porn mags on the Haj.
@@themischeifguide Were they the same vintage as their arms?
@@cycadaacolyte6349 Just as hairy.
I fell asleep to Lynch’s film for 3 years. Put it in every night. Still my favorite story and book series !
Shout out to TOTO for the dope soundtrack in the film.
I have the soundtrack. Epic ✌✌✌
I used the soundtrack - especially the 'Prophecy Theme' in some of my early ttrpg sessions. I somehow managed to freak out one of the player with it in a somewhat spooky scene...
I love the Dune novels, originals and the others that have come after too.
Personally I think that the Dune saga cannot be done justice with a movie or two, even a 3 part miniseries can't impart the breadth of it. Dune should be done in the HBO-GoT or Starz- Spartacus style...totally immersive and stretched out so those who aren't in the know can actually grow into the characters.
Yeah, but please without d & D working on it. That's why I'm looking forward to The sisterhood TV show more than the movie.
Dune is about the journey of mankind. One must take what is read and look from the outside in. Mankind is a predictable beast in it's endgame goals. The spread of memetics. The fight against extinction. The length it will take to advance humanity even at the risk of losing it.
Dune IMO is the most wonderfully written books I’ve ever read.
Jesse Fontenot the first one? I want to start but Ive heard theres lots of them.
Łukasz Paluch Start with the Frank Herbert books.
1-Dune
2-Dune Messiah
3-Children of Dune
There are many, those 3 are the best. I enjoyed them all. His son picked up the series and co-wrote a bunch too and some don’t like them. It’s clear he’s not as good a his dad but I thought they were still good books.
"A person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing them to grow. Without change, something sleeps inside us; and seldom awakens."
Perhaps, Duncan Idaho was the real hero of the series.
You could make a strong argument for that! Duncan keeps coming back and doing heroic things...
Not always heroic things, but it's okay.
I mean. He was the original “OBrien Suffers” subject. 😆
Indeed.
Leto says it himself. Duncan exemplifies what it means to be human.
once dune gets that hollywood treatment: thats when everyone suddenly already knew about dune and was a huge fan of all the books for years.
You said it. Nothing could be truer.
Too many friggin posers out there. I read this incredible tale 30+ years ago and still speak in awe of it.
my dad is a huge fan of Herbert and Asimov, he made me read those books when i was 7-8 and talk about the concept in those; the God-Emperor and his way of giving humanity a Lesson in decadence was a very very interesting conversation to be had.
Very true! I was a aware of the movie from the 80s and recently purchased the first book at books a million only because I heard they are making a reboot lol! But it is an excellent read thus far you really need water when reading it
Honestly if it gains enough traction to get through all the books i reckon it’s worth it to get a quality adaptation of god emperor. Even heretics and chapter house would be incredible to see but I think Hollywood may dump it after the original trilogy.
I always found the plot of Code Geass to be heavily inspired by Dune, especially the Zero Plan.
Really? I will need to research this, luckily I love anime also!
@@zenwolf1046 I suggest watching it before you research. For the web is dark and full of spoilers.
I meant code Geass
Dune Messiah is my favorite, being more focused on Paul and Alia
It was my least fav, but after listening the audiobook I appreciate it so much more.
@Feanor Messiah is my favorite because it revolved around Paul, Alia and Duncan and really got into their psychology as prescient royals. The court politics also helped a lot. And it was refreshing to see, someone who was supposed to be a hero savior figure turn into a despotic tyrant.
Chapterhouse is a great novel, It would be my favorite if Frank Herbert had been kind enough to keep Dama and Odrade alive. Really missed them in the sequels. And yeah after all we have enjoyed, (and suffered) during the saga I tend to think of Dune more like a prequel too. It's quite comforting to know that I'm not an heretic or a profaner, or at least I'm not the only one.
PS: bi the way if someone had asked me I would never have admitted, but that's just the reason why I could not appreciate Dune Messiah after my first Reading. It reminded me of some of my own grief experiences. I didn't need such a violent and intrusive memory.
I don't know if it was exactly refreshing, but at least it was plausible..
I like you video. The one point I might contest is that of Paul as a hero. He is not perfect and is not the final solution, as it were, but he is a hero to the fremen at the time of Dune and is instrumental in the development of everything that follows. You can equally argue that Paul's father Leto was a hero too and may well have anticipated a lot of what was to happen. Paul often states he is trapped by the future an amazing idea.
I recall reading the entire Saga when I was about 15-16 years old... My main takeaway from the series was just how terrifying it must be to possess omniscient powers.
Hmm. Should've expanded on the bene gesserit part to point out that they have such powerful perception and awareness, and training specifically in reading people that they come across as "mind readers". Heck, might as well point out that their reading abilities are so good that they are regularly employed as Truthsayers - living lie detection machines.
I read the Foundation series probably 40 years ago. Why I never picked up Dune until very recently I don't know. But the movie kept showing up on my UA-cam feed so I watched it and said that was interesting. Then your videos became available and I said that's Very interesting. So I bought the series from Amazon. I've always enjoyed deep time sagas and now I'm trying to turn my family and coworkers onto the story. Thanks! Your videos are excellent.
Can you please recommend me some other deep time sagas? My post from 5 minutes ago in these comments explain my 'problem' 😁.
Started with Foundation this morning 👍.
It's thanks to your amazing videos that I'm actually commited to finishing the whole saga. I have already read (actually listened to unabridged audio books of) the first four books and I'm about halfway through book 5. So thank you very much for that!
I must admit, though, that the fifth book is way more difficult to grasp for me personally. While all the previous books were connected in ingenious ways, the fifth one starts like a jump into cold water - what with all the new characters and only the one young Ghola to really hold on to as a reader. Then again, it offers an amazingly deep look into the Bene Gesserit and the Bene Tleilax, which makes it all worth it.
I've also bought every Dune book out there. All 20 of them, plus the Dune Encyclopedia. So yeah. I'm all in. :)
You're all in, fully immersed into cold water and diving like crazy. (I'm not a Fremen). Good point about Heretics but it's still my favorite in spite of that shocking crahs, or maybe thanks to it.
He who controls the oil controls the universe. I mean spice
Shocking to me how many overlook the allegory here. I mean it's like a ton of bricks.
No wonder the US is the worlds dominant superpower.
Villeneuve’s adaption of the first half of first book is pretty damn impressive if you ask me.
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I, too, pay homage and offer interaction for his hungry vengefulness. May it keep the copyright strikes at bay. Devil Horns.
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This is fantastic.
Ok, you win the internet with this comment, 😂
One of the greatest heartbreaks in my life happened when I was reading one Jodorovsky's comics and in an introduction I found information that he started to make Dune's adaptation with him as director, art design by Moebius, score by Pink Floyd, and Emperor played by Salvadore Dali but it was shelved because he went over the budget... God, I just remembered it again, I need some vodka.
That would have been epic.
@@erikbolinger7269 Right? I'll never get over it.
It would not have been good. He literally said he wanted to "rape" dune. The end of the movie was to be the planet gaining consciousness and flying off into the universe.
@@beaug4306 I wouldn't mind. It's all about "how" not "what". "Congress" had very little to do with the original story and yet it was one of the best movies of the decade.
@@bialynia There's a good documentary about him wanting to make it called Jodorowsky's Dune, but based on what all they showed and what was said, it wouldn't have been good--despite all of the awesome people attached to it. It might have been a good Jodorowsky film, but it wouldn't have been Dune--It would have been an art film with a veneer of Dune. Coincidentally, that's almost what you could call Lynch's version.
Dude, these videos are outstanding. I am a lifelong Dune fan and really, really enjoy your work! Keep it up!
Loved Dune my whole adult life. Saw the David Lynch movie in my teens, went to the bookstore the next day and ordered the book immediately. Read through it and ordered the other five books and went through them... Have re-read them several times since then (bought them multiple times, incl. english (I'm German) soft covers, kindle, audible audiobooks (engl, and german) since then).
I'm a little concerned that the new trailer is trying to copy the David Lynch movie, instead of staying true to the books....
Love the videos btw!
I've always seen Duncan Idaho as the real hero of Dune
Miles f*cking Teg
I'd at least say he's the main character.
I thought Duncan was a dick in book 4 tho. A real drama llama lol
The best xD.
The real hero to me was Leto II. He gave up everything, including his humanity to give humanity a infinite(for all practical purposes) golden path to the future. Three thousand years caught between being overwhelmed by a million voices of our past, and a million views of potential futures.
I love how you are just this guy that does dune stuff. Most of your stuff is pretty on point. Thanks for your time
Perhaps I'm wron, but when I read Dune saga (I mean Franck Herbert books) I saw a dual trilogy, Paul's prophet trilogy and Leto II god-emperor one, each one speaking to the other with a witness to all that: Duncan Idaho.
I was in my thirties before I realized how profoundly my political views were shaped by these novels.
It's refreshing to know that, they really made you think in many ways. Honestly I couldn't imagine a Dune fan who was not a fighter and turned his/her back on the world. Now I realize, there are too many of them and it's shameful, actually. It's just not about tattooing the litany on your back or writing "long live the fighters" on twitter, which is so respectable of course. I also do that nerdy stuff and love creativity in fans. But it's about taking care of what's happening around you.
@Drinker_Of_ Milk No, not a fascist, and while your comment is sophomoric at best, I will reply.
Herbert was a modern writer who had access to modern information, like Dunbars number ( the amount of active relationships any one human can keep track of) along with the knowledge of both freedom fighters, and how powerful groups can co-opt a movement.
"All charismatic leaders should come with a warning label, may be hazardous to YOUR health!" ~ Frank Herbert.
@Drinker_Of_ Milk You'd have to have almost no understanding of those novels to think that it promoted fascism. One of its main ideas is the exploration how how charismatic leaders can lead down completely ruinous paths.
@Drinker_Of_ Milk Really? Can you tell me exactly what part of that statement "obviously" separated your text from the text that would be written by someone that actually had such misunderstood opinion of the intent of the books? Or do you think there's nobody that could possibly form such an opinion? Perhaps you need to google "Poe's Law"?
@Drinker_Of_ Milk So...let me get this straight...
1) you don't think people ever use "lol" as an offensive term to indicate ridicule/laughter towards the person they are replying to as opposed to sarcasm towards themselves? ...lol
2) You don't think that...on the internet...anyone ever genuinely accuses anyone of being fascist for poorly defined reasons? ...lol
3) You think that - in 2020 of all times - the combination of #1 and #2 makes for 100% obvious sarcasm to the point of someone not seeing the sarcasm must not be "perceptive"? ...lol
The "lighthearted" part is just circular logic. An accusation of fascism is only "lighthearted" if you already know it's a joke...so cannot be evidence of it being a joke.
And you "knowing enough about the book" to remark on fascism...again just poor logic. You're excluding the idea that anyone could ever incorrectly interpret a book. Of course they can. There's plenty of people that read books and think they are espousing a thing they are actually disproving. So you again just have this really bad logic of saying that I should know your statement is sarcasm and not real based on points that would only be true if I already knew you were being sarcastic...because that's the only way I'd know you weren't one of the many people that have ever misinterpreted a book.
Great insight and commentary on this very significant saga. I’m guilty of basing my initial understanding on the 1984 flick and I’m in the process of exploring the books. Great channel
I remember watching the 1984 Dune movie when I was younger and liking it ok. Then I read the book and realized just how dumbed down the movie was.
I still love the movie, the sound track is amazing. I still listen to it even today.
spencer s agreed, even for it’s length the movie feels rushed but nothing comes to mind more immediately than that swelling brassline and descending high winds alongside flourishing chorale and rock in’ electric guitars when I picture the Fremen atop their sandworms.
The book is clearly the winner but the 1984 visuals are good, clothing is great IMO. I prefer the SciFy channels mini series. I love how odd the clothing looks in both versions.
@@macguyverbond7480 Yeah the soundtrack is pretty awesome
The end credits song is pretty good, and the prophecy theme as well.
"What Dune is about?"
There are good answers, and then there are wrong answers that have no mention of God Emperor becoming a worm
Great video, and good job drawing attention to the ambivalent aspects about Paul Atreides as "Hero". I wrote an essay on my application to college about this very issue. It's one of the central facets of Dune, but this is something most commentators actually do avoid going into. It was nice to see it here! Also, thanks for sticking up for the other books, they do get a bad rap but they're really every bit as worthwhile as the first.
Reading Dune and the five books that follow in order without a break is a mind-blowing experience. One of my best reading experiences.
Thank you for this, I just finished Children of Dune and I'm discovering just how badly misunderstood the series really is, especially when you listen to Herbert's interviews. Fascinating man, and probably a bit of an anarchist in reality.
Several writers in the 50s and 60s usually referred to themselves as a Philosophical Anarchist- Heinlein comes to mind.
In public, they would say Libertarian, but what they meant was that they wanted to govern themselves, not be set upon by overreaching laws and regulations.
Heinlein even said as much.
Excellent observations! Important for everyone to understand the much more complex story that transcends the characters presented at the outset of the series.
I watched the Sci-fi mini series and Children of Dune, then read the book, loved them all.
I’m optimistic about the new films (hopefully splitting the first book will make it more likely to include the others) but at the same time I’m worried that the outlawing of AI will be glossed over. It’s such an important starting point; every author has to share a Rorschach test with the reader when asking why a thinking machine would be scary.
I was living in Prague when they were filming the miniseries version of Dune and it has a lot of people I know in it in bit parts, and one major role, the English actor Robert Russell playing Dr Yue. Some of them also got parts in the second miniseries. But you have really opened my mind up to the grand design of the whole series, which I hadn't grasped. Keep up the good work.
wow! i got a signed photo of Susan Sarandon from CoD production, as a price from czech cable tv in promo :D picks dust but will never leave my ownership.
Best book series ever(well the first 4 books at least)
Edit: Can i just say this is the best comment section ever! Everyone is so erudite and polite! i suppose only a certain profile of ppl are into dune interesting.
Imo the entire series is great, since Heretics is my fav. Agreed people here tend to be so kind.
Speaking those facts Brother!
The Dune books, like the movie “Things To Come” and the book it is based from, “The Works, Wealth and Happiness of Mankind”, is about how dangerous stagnation is to humans!
Hey I've just emerged myself into the Dune universe 7 months ago and I'm hooked. Thanks for your videos, it's been a great tool for me in understanding this massive world Frank Hubert created.
Thank you for your attention to a severely overlooked and misunderstood science fiction masterpiece. Keep up the great work...
#Dune
#EpicStorytelling
To me, the Dune hexalogy is the guiding tale for the 21st century: how mankind may transform itself finally into a species truly capable of long-term thinking. And thus, avoid extinction.
Alas, I think that mankind is transforming into a non-thinking idiot enslaved to Ixian technology and mindless propaganda.
Man will change. It may take many years and none alive today will live to see it, but we will one day reach apotheosis.
@@fuzzytransmissionman It's interesting that you make that prediction and state it in terms of utter certainty. It reveals (in all probability - for I would never want to predict the future with the same confidence you're showing) that you're either religious or that it's a fervent wish of yours. As far as I'm concerned, there are far too many variables to be able to make such a "certain" prediction, from the stupidity that humanity is capable of, to the possibility of being wiped out by a gamma ray burst or some other cosmic "perfect storm".
Agreed. Your posts is well received. You have mastered this lore and presented to us all very well. Please continue.
You know what else was inspired by Dune. Five Star Stories by Mamoru Nagano. In the manga there is a Harkonen Expy that gets nuked in the first arc. Yes Mamoru Nagano wanted Harkonen dead rather quickly.
Hey! Nice tip!
Having read Dune and certain parts, more than some Christians read their Bible, I find it quite clear that the spice is a fungus or at least bacteria that grows as the sand trout surround and encapsulate moisture pockets in the sand. Methane gas produced by the bacteria stop or fungus, growing and then dying would make sense of the spice blow. One can listen to an interview with Frank Herbert conducted with Frank and his wife in their home in California in 1969. The spice was either a fungus or bacteria that lived and died creating the methane gas needed for the Spice blow. I hate to take the mystery out of it, but the writings are there and there's the interview.
I think it's The Greatest Story Ever Told.
Excellent analysis here! I only managed to pick up the "Children of Dune" and "Dune Messiah" years after reading "Dune" itself several times. Still got to work on the rest of Herbert's work in the series.... I appreciate the addressing misconceptions. Hopefully more people pick up the first book, and continue reading through the saga after this latest film. After all, over the last decade and a half, we've seen the problems, impact, and effects that come with charismatic leaders coming into power in several places in the world.
I remember when you got started here
Just got to say:
Way to go!
Thanks from a fan
I been here since sometime around the Children of Dune release, I think, I binged them all and waited for the next one. Love these books and this series. Fingers crossed for Denis! He hasn't let us down yet, and I thought Blade Runner was going to be some big shoes to fill! I have a feeling 2020 is going to be good!
The book series are a triumph in storytelling, I loved every one, how each added more and more complexity to the Dune universe. An unpopular opinion but I also have enjoyed the books done by Kevin J and Brian Herbert, they aren’t perfect by any stretch, but anything that adds backstory and depth to the universe is ok by me.
I love what you’re doing with this - you’re doing such a good job thank you - Dune has been a part of my life since I was 12 - and now I’m 60 - it’s very influential
The movie was never intended to follow the book accurately. The movie made changes to make the story more interesting so it could be told in two hours.
Tru dat, it was originally planned to be a two part epic over 6 hours, the toll of production issues burned that down and we got what we got. Had Delaurentis had an FX dept like ILM, the movie would be hailed as one of the all time scifi masterpieces, even so it's still pretty good.
You must read the books, not just see the movies.
books will always give you more information on any story than a movie would. movies are driven by time constraints and things in a story are sometimes modified or left out because of it.
No way could a movie describe 6,000 years of history in 2 hours. Impossibly complex. And that is why I love all 20 books more than any other series. OMNIUS and Duncan were by far the greatest twists by the end.... my mind is blown to this day, and has deep implications for current technological advancement. The Internet of Things (IOT) and Alexa AI assistants bare uncanny resemblance to "The Machine Crusades" story that I can't believe it's not widely discussed by anyone I have seen...
4TH WORLD WILDERNESS the movie will have many others part if the first part is successful !! Said denis
(Whining) Do I have to read the books? Can’t I just eat my vegetables? Why do Herbert acolytes sound like dour parents when they enthuse about reading the later Dune tripe? It is a sub-world fixation. I wonder what type of person finds a poorly written Herbertian dystopia so appealing?
I was told I was not allowed to watch the original movie until I read the book. It was hard for about the first 4 chapters, and then I got to a point where I couldn't put it down. I was in middle school.
Nobody describes the Dune Universe saga better, kudos keep up the fantastic effort!
I read the first Dune novel and really enjoyed it. Having said that, I found the other books in the series very boring. I don't think I ever finished the third one. That's rare for me. The only other book I recall not finishing was "The Boat of a Million Years". Good grief that was dull!
Also, the "Weirding" in the film is nothing like it is in the books.
I have read all the Dune Books and already have pre-ordered the new book. The story was and is and will be amazing. You are so right and I love it when somebody has hit the nail on the head. Your review was such a pleasure to listen to. Finally some body who KNOWS what they are talking about. I have just seen the new adaptation, and though it looks good it is hard to tell this story in a movie. It is something that has to be read and absorbed slowly and over many years. Great work please do more and remember the spice must flow!!
I like that the Dune saga is sort of underground. I think God Emperor of Dune is the best book in the series.
It really fleshes out the perils of apotheosis. Seeing how Leto on the one hand has risen above being human, accepting his role as their guiding predator force, and on the other, laments the loss of being such a simple and self-centric creature as a man. There are very few figures I've felt such empathy for. I can probably count them on one hand.
My favorite book is Heretics, but Leto is the only pre-born for whom I feel empathy, and it increases everytime I pick up the book again. I mean the old worm, our tyrant, not the Young Leto. I also loved Hwi Noree. In a universe full of plans within plans it is nice to suddenly find someone who decided not to be a Bene Gesserit actress. The plan of the Ixians would have been a failure if she had played to be seductive.
For a long time Dune was my favourite book of all time. Then I read God Emperor. That motherfucker dropped the mic and moonwalked away! I love that book more than my non existent children!
I loved God Emperor because you understood, cared about.. and hated the worm all at the same time. He put the universe through thousands of years of hell... intentionally.. to try to teach mankind to never make that mistake again. It was brilliant.. and evil.
@@cdreid99999 Not evil, well, maybe evil to the humans he oppressed for thousands of years, but on the longer time scale, it was that or face extinction, he made the choice for the rest of us, that we should live forever.
It always feels weird to me when people say, or when i read someone saying that Dune is like Star Wars for adults. Dune existed some (many) years before it, and yes, i know many people don't know this saga, but i just can't stand it. Dune is not like Star Wars for adults... Star Wars is like Dune for kids.
Perfect!
I'm an adult and I love the 40k books. 40k is Star Wars for the disturbed.
@@Trazynn :'))
I disagree. While Lucas "borrowed" a lot from Dune, Dune is not Star Wars for adults. Denis Villeneuve said this, but it's not at all accurate. Dune can more accurately be characterized as Lawrence of Arabia in Outer Space (to use a humorous title). Both are about a soldier of an imperium, Paul Atreides and Lawrence, who are forced by circumstances to ally with the native population. They end up helping the native peoples to defeat their respective imperiums.
I don't even get why they get compared, it's apples and oranges.
As a Lord of the Rings freak, I often run up against people that have only seen the movies and have never read anything by Tolkien, so I feel your pain.
Ugh, the movies. They were visually great, but didn't do much justice to the intricacies of the books.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert go I forth to my work." 😜
Maybe its just me but it think this kind of come down to Dune not being that good of a book from the stand point of actually reading.
Underrated take
As someone who's tried to finish it many times, I agree with your unpopular opinion. The concept was exciting, and no one can deny its importance, but it's a demanding and dull read. I really wanted to be a fan of it, btw.
Thanks for this video! I finished Dune a few days ago and have the next five books on the way already, looking forward to it all even more now 🤗
I like the 1984 movie, it has really good atmosphere and Toto crushed the music. It is a bad adaptation though.
The minisrries was better imo
@Hilmar Zonneveld this guy gets it!
My only problem with the 1984 version was that the Baron Harkonnen wasn't a raving lunatic nor was he as disgusting as the movie shown him in the first part. Yes he was a despotic and sadistic homosexual who killed his lovers but, that portrayal of the Baron was quite comical.
It followed the story of the first two books closer, but they did not care much about some details, like... Fremen would never run around the surface in just linen clothes.
It's one of my issues with the Lynch's adaptationn too.