Could Ukraine's fast light vehicles be a tactical lesson for other militaries?

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  • Опубліковано 10 жов 2022
  • Footage purportedly from the Ukrainian offensive in Kherson show Ukrainian Humvees speeding across open ground towards Russian positions to deploy soldiers to the front line.
    Defence analyst Nicholas Drummond says the use of a very light vehicle, travelling very fast can have a very rapid effect against the enemy despite looking "a bit Mad Max".
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  • @marcusott2973
    @marcusott2973 Рік тому +1211

    It's the Cossacks performing a 21st century cavalry charge, for this you need 2 things
    lightly armoured vehicles and heavily armoured balls.

    • @MrDmitriRavenoff
      @MrDmitriRavenoff Рік тому +69

      Kinda amazing the balls of these soldiers don't exceed the weight capacity of the vehicle.
      Modern day cavalry charge, but with ATGM's.

    • @BubblewrapHighway
      @BubblewrapHighway Рік тому +21

      Numidian cavalry didn't even have saddles and reins. Just a rope around the horse's neck.

    • @TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar
      @TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar Рік тому +26

      Interestingly, despite their popular image, most Cossacks were foot soldiers.

    • @mycure0498
      @mycure0498 Рік тому +22

      Cossacks then, Cossacks now

    • @kogabriga7537
      @kogabriga7537 Рік тому +7

      Sehr gut,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

  • @ryabow
    @ryabow Рік тому +413

    this isn't exactly a new tactic. a buddy of mine in the 82nd Airborne took fortified airport in Desert Storm with nothing but humvees and infantry, because they knew the Iraqis didn't have any heavy support. It's the modern equivalent of a cavalry charge on an unprotected flank.

    • @WellBattle6
      @WellBattle6 Рік тому

      And against the Russians, it's an unprotected flank with no communication back to base. The Russians have really bad command and control in this war. Truly only effective against low-morale enemies, and it wouldn't be feasible against determined opponents.

    • @RachelHarris-jk1cm
      @RachelHarris-jk1cm Рік тому +13

      except the Ukrainians have more balls, because they use Humvees with artillery landing all around them.

    • @stevenwilson5556
      @stevenwilson5556 Рік тому +16

      @@RachelHarris-jk1cm Russian artillery isn't exactly very accurate, they don't have a lot of drones, and probably their best and most skilled artillery troops are long gone-dead or wounded and out of action, or captured.

    • @gtmafiaa
      @gtmafiaa Рік тому +10

      @@RachelHarris-jk1cm the guy literally says there were no russian artillery in the area but they are brave asf.

    • @RachelHarris-jk1cm
      @RachelHarris-jk1cm Рік тому

      @@gtmafiaa Yes however the Ukrainians do this ANYWAY whether or not there are artillery. I saw another video with Humvees zooming along dropping men off, all while artillery rained down. A US commentator said "this is warfare that we wouldn't take these risks, but this is a nation determined to take their land back". So yes they are braver than US troops who have loads of back up and safety plans. and wouldn't even venture in to areas of artillery landing.
      Makes me extra horny these brave Ukrainian men!

  • @Pemmont107
    @Pemmont107 Рік тому +133

    "What are the Russians getting wrong?"
    Everything. Literally everything.

    • @Tragicide
      @Tragicide Рік тому

      They are on a speed run to make it in the guiness book of world records into break evry rule and lesson taught in the book of sun tzu.

    • @stevenwilson5556
      @stevenwilson5556 Рік тому +8

      Let's start back in 24 Feb when they invaded Ukraine for the 2nd time…

    • @harrybuttery2447
      @harrybuttery2447 Рік тому +4

      And yet even though they are outnumbered 2-3 to 1, here we are. What are the Ukrainians getting wrong?

    • @Argosh
      @Argosh Рік тому

      @@harrybuttery2447 not a lot. They are utilizing the limited amount of modern Hardware and the large amount of Soviet hardware and adapting well to fighting an enemy that doesn't follow the laws of war.
      Despite the Russians commiting warcrimes whenever they can the Ukrainians so far aren't retaliating in kind. They're just continuing to roll over the Russian so called military in a measured and deliberate pace.
      Gonna be fun to see those pigs squirm once winter arrives and they have to fight in summer clothes while the Ukrainians have full winter battle kit.

    • @dazamanday
      @dazamanday Рік тому +1

      @@harrybuttery2447 here we are what? Saying that as if they're currently in a strong position lol yet all they've done in the last 2 months is lose ground

  • @10actual
    @10actual Рік тому +59

    Worked well in WWII with the SAS in Africa. Beats hiding in a trench waiting to be hit.

    • @stevenwilson5556
      @stevenwilson5556 Рік тому +1

      Defense never wins wars. Offense wins wars. Only Ukraine is on offense.

    • @jantschierschky3461
      @jantschierschky3461 Рік тому +2

      Surprise operations, small units attack from an unexpected direction at very early mornings, against the rear. Verses daytime, from a known direction and clearly visible, against entrenched troops.

    • @jantschierschky3461
      @jantschierschky3461 Рік тому

      @@stevenwilson5556 defence wins too, if you have well trained troops under good leadership, with full battlefield awareness. There have been many good examples of it. Offensive war is good if you can surprise, unhinge, shock your enemies.

    • @robert6106
      @robert6106 Рік тому +2

      Only until you run into a strong position that's waiting for you and they know they have you. The video above is going to run into sustained large caliber machine gun fire at some point and we will never see the next episode.

  • @d.l.hemmingway3758
    @d.l.hemmingway3758 Рік тому +166

    The British did similar tactics in the North African Desert. The SAS, Popski's Private Army, The Long Range Desert Patrol Group all used similar tactics against the Germans and Italians. They used jeeps, Land Rovers and Chevrolet Trucks as their vehicles and armed them with Lewis Guns, Vickers, Brens, M-2HBs, and M-1919s. Where do you think the 1960s series Rat Patrol got their ideas?

    • @SergeantAradir
      @SergeantAradir Рік тому +7

      Its a completly different role and tactics, but alright. I mean clearly long-range recon and ambushing is identical with a massed, motorized attack

    • @tams805
      @tams805 Рік тому +4

      @@SergeantAradir Still quite similar. The Ukrainians won't have been rushing head on in those light vehicles. Why when you can just outflank your enemy?

    • @jonb3311
      @jonb3311 Рік тому +12

      The SAS etc fought at night in the desert and only made mass attacks on airfields. They seldom made daylight raids, as they had to avoid the Luftwaffe who would bomb and strafe them nonstop. That is how Jock Lewis was killed. BTW the Land Rover was post WW2 vehicle.

    • @WellBattle6
      @WellBattle6 Рік тому +3

      @@jonb3311 Which goes to show just how nonexistent Russian CAS is within contested airspace.

    • @larryzigler6812
      @larryzigler6812 Рік тому +1

      NOT THE SAME

  • @trevermcdonald2402
    @trevermcdonald2402 Рік тому +66

    The SAS was formed for exactly this purpose, small, fast, well armed units driving deep behind enemy lines sewing confusion among their troops and logistics.

    • @marktaylor6491
      @marktaylor6491 Рік тому +2

      That's what they were doing in France in '44. Going up and down the country, deep behind enemy lines in Jeeps, looking for it wherever it came.

    • @yesman6687
      @yesman6687 Рік тому

      and before them the comandos

  • @artistjoh
    @artistjoh Рік тому +118

    President Zelensky said that Australian Bushmasters had "performed masterfully" in the battlefield. They can carry troops cross country at 80+kph and discharge troops in lightning strikes, and Zelensky asked the Australian government for another 30 of them. They already have 60 of them. These more mobile platforms appear to work well on the modern battlefield.

    • @Ippo00
      @Ippo00 Рік тому +10

      Go the bushmaster!

    • @Kakkoii_ne
      @Kakkoii_ne Рік тому +3

      @@Ippo00 The Hawkei looks nice, too. I would love to have one of them and use it as a platform for Forward Observers and JTACs.

    • @labibbidabibbadum
      @labibbidabibbadum Рік тому +20

      Note to anyone wanting to attack Australia. Every citizen has at least one Bushmaster.

    • @stevebrickshitta870
      @stevebrickshitta870 Рік тому +12

      @@labibbidabibbadum it's my daily drive.

    • @zyeborm
      @zyeborm Рік тому +8

      ​@@labibbidabibbadum I've got one, missus has one and we have one each for the poodles.

  • @GHOSTSTALKER90
    @GHOSTSTALKER90 Рік тому +67

    Good to see the humvee being used as it was intended during design

    • @georgeemil3618
      @georgeemil3618 Рік тому +15

      Yes, the Humvee was not intended to go grocery shopping or contribute to traffic congestion.

    • @roadhouse6999
      @roadhouse6999 Рік тому +9

      The Humvee was meant to replace the Willy's Jeep as a utility vehicle for use in the rear. It got pressed into service as a light reconnaissance and patrol vehicle in the GWOT.

    • @allanchurm
      @allanchurm Рік тому +2

      pleased ukrain army have good officers all the way up to the generals as well who know what there doing..

  • @aztronomy7457
    @aztronomy7457 Рік тому +138

    When you have a bunch of handheld rocket launches that can easily rip apart any heavily armored tank, might as well just use an armored Humvee that can go 70mph and bet on the speed to save you.

    • @fbi805
      @fbi805 Рік тому +4

      Actual top speed of a HUMVEE is 50mph. So unless the Ukrainians added a 1500 horsepower motor and superchargers to it those hummers would never reach 70mph

    • @truthiswhat1
      @truthiswhat1 Рік тому +17

      @@fbi805 not a chance.. I regularly cruised at 60-70 mph in both 1980's soft tops and modern up-armored.

    • @fbi805
      @fbi805 Рік тому +4

      @@truthiswhat1 you know how I know what you are saying is a lie. Because the HUMVEE didn't enter service until 1984 and 70% of the initial 55k went to transportation and mobile medical units and the remaining 30% went command and control units. full active service for the HUMVEE for all military branches didn't happen until after the Gulf War in 1991. The only way you would have ever gotten the HUMMER over 50mph was to remove the governor which on a HUMMER would have destroyed the engine or driving full speed downhill on a 25% - 45% road

    • @truthiswhat1
      @truthiswhat1 Рік тому +13

      @@fbi805 lol.. guy.. my first KNIGT "Fister truck" was a 4 seater soft top made in 1986.. It was older than me which was awesome. my last truck was a sweet up-armored from mid 2000's. We would regularly roll at 60mph with traffic in convoys to and from armories/forts and pushed them faster for kicks. I'm guessing you read some Wiki article or something.. any soldier will tell you they are now way topping out at 50..

    • @aztronomy7457
      @aztronomy7457 Рік тому +3

      @@fbi805 I’m just looking up what I saw on google bro. I’m not an expert

  • @fratercontenduntocculta8161
    @fratercontenduntocculta8161 Рік тому +78

    Ukraine has learned combat methods from some of the best fighters in the world and it shows. Their tactical refinements will definitely change how conventional wars are fought! Sheer audacity is one of the few methods that can ensure victory and perfectly illustrates the phrase "the greater the risk, the greater the reward."

    • @vorrnth8734
      @vorrnth8734 Рік тому +3

      that is what they told soldiers right before ww1.

    • @leechgully
      @leechgully Рік тому

      @@vorrnth8734 yes, didnt the French base a whole fighting doctrine around the idea and it failed completely.

    • @murky-snickett2961
      @murky-snickett2961 Рік тому +4

      ​@@vorrnth8734 The SAS used these tactics in small 4x4s all throughout North Africa and Europe with great success against the Germans and Italians.

    • @Gnostic88
      @Gnostic88 Рік тому

      Russia's own audacity has lead it to this quagmire in contrast.

    • @vorrnth8734
      @vorrnth8734 Рік тому +1

      @@leechgully exactly. This tactic can work If you are able to underrun enemy fire. Like hoplites running forward to underrun arrows. But the french (and others) were of course not able to be faster than the machine guns.

  • @Minihopa
    @Minihopa Рік тому +75

    Ukrainians have proven themselves very resilient and adapt very quickly... definitely very brave people. The USA and UK military must be commended in the assistance they've given Ukrainians.

    • @gage851
      @gage851 Рік тому +5

      Canadian soldiers are also helping train Ukrainian soldiers in the UK ... but yeah unlike the Afghan soldiers the Ukrainian soldiers are willing to learn to fight and die for their freedom, they're using western military fighting doctrine and its showing how affective it is against Russian doctrine

    • @JustinShaedo
      @JustinShaedo Рік тому

      understatement of the week :D

    • @bestieswithtesties
      @bestieswithtesties Рік тому

      @@gage851 Unlike the Afghans the Ukraine have a leadership who supports them. The Afghanistan military was backstabbed by their own leaders. As soon as the US left the Afghan influential gave everything to the Taliban INTENTIONALLY. What good is an army when your own leaders disagree with you. Ukraine has leaders who agree with them.

  • @ChrisStacey
    @ChrisStacey Рік тому +152

    Mini thunder runs. Only way to effectively find out enemy battlefield strengths when you can't decisively know who's where, what equipment and how many.

    • @todorkolev7565
      @todorkolev7565 Рік тому

      incorrect. You DON'T rush in if you you don't know what's there!
      The Ukrainians are receiving every bit of satellite imagery and analysis that the West can provide.
      They run into territories BECAUSE they know these are blind spots and allow them to easily flank the enemy and cause panic.
      The Ukrainians not only know exactly where what is but they even know of Russian plans in advance!
      (Ex IDF paratrooper, officer)

    • @badstar9670
      @badstar9670 Рік тому +2

      Exactly, also an American strategy

    • @jackhaugh
      @jackhaugh Рік тому +5

      Drones?

    • @stevenwilson5556
      @stevenwilson5556 Рік тому +8

      What you aren't seeing is the days, weeks, and even months of Ukraine pounding Russian command and control as well as supplies, ammo dumps, supply trucks, and logistics. The Russians they are facing are already weakened, often leaders have fled, and many are low on ammo and supplies.

    • @RobBCactive
      @RobBCactive Рік тому +1

      Wouldn't the LRDG in Libya or SAS France '44 have had similar mad max moments if they'd had helmet cams?
      It seems from descriptions of some engagements in open terrain speed and shooting REMF stuff up and HQ was an effective tactic causing disproportionate effects to their numbers.

  • @guygabriel6251
    @guygabriel6251 Рік тому +84

    I have allways been of the opinion not to underestimate ”technicals”.
    There are 3 parameters. Speed, protection and firepower. You can seldom have all 3.
    Fast in and lot of firepower is a way to go. (Don’t stand still and be a target)

    • @klowen7778
      @klowen7778 Рік тому +6

      Yep, and already the strategists are calling this the “Ukrainian Blitzkrieg,”

    • @NuclearFridge1
      @NuclearFridge1 Рік тому +3

      Comes down to 3 parameters. Pick 2.

    • @majungasaurusaaaa
      @majungasaurusaaaa Рік тому +2

      Speed itself is a form of protection when you're not tasked with holding ground.

    • @Tragicide
      @Tragicide Рік тому

      Meine Erika intensifies

    • @richardjoseph9002
      @richardjoseph9002 Рік тому

      @@Tragicide Wonderful. I am very happy for you.

  • @eminencerain848
    @eminencerain848 Рік тому +50

    These are basically Thunder Run tactics using fast unarmored tactical vehicles.

    • @GrimYak
      @GrimYak Рік тому +1

      Yup. Not only humvees but they are also using quads with mounted ATGM and machine guns

  • @chrisbrent7487
    @chrisbrent7487 Рік тому +38

    Kind of reminds me of Jeeps in the desert with twin Vickers K guns in the front and back speeding though a Luftwaffe airfield shooting up everything they pass.

    • @desertmandan123
      @desertmandan123 Рік тому +8

      My thoughts exactly...."where's Paddy Mayne when you need him..in the thick of it leading the way" as quoted by one of his men in a TV interview in the 70's.

    • @Lookup2Wakeup
      @Lookup2Wakeup Рік тому +8

      That rings a bell.......SAS WW2

    • @davewarrender2056
      @davewarrender2056 Рік тому +2

      That was Stirling and the beginnings of the SAS

  • @SergeantAradir
    @SergeantAradir Рік тому +47

    Ukrainians: "Give us IFV and tanks!"
    British Army: "Lets discuss whether we need IFVs, when the Ukrainians are so good without them"
    Ukrainians: "We really need those IFVS!!!"
    British Army: "Such morale! Such training!"

    • @Tragicide
      @Tragicide Рік тому +3

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @Charisma86
      @Charisma86 Рік тому +3

      Maybe ask the British tax payer first!

    • @IndianaSmallmouth
      @IndianaSmallmouth Рік тому +2

      Western armies would not stand the casualties.

    • @JustinShaedo
      @JustinShaedo Рік тому

      ... almost sounds like you think the UK aren't doing Ukraine an incredibly massive favour with arms and training? Could be reading that wrong, apologies if so.

  • @john_in_phoenix
    @john_in_phoenix Рік тому +118

    If you try this against a well trained and motivated opponent, you will get wiped out. It does show that Ukraine has managed to move decision making down to much lower levels than Russia allows. This is a risky tactic, but also high reward when it comes down to it. Poorly motivated and trained troops panic when they get word of the enemy behind them. Well trained and motivated troops say "nuts".

    • @bark1actual785
      @bark1actual785 Рік тому +7

      So…. We didn’t pull this off in 2003 against the Iraqi army and RG when we blitzed our way into Baghdad?

    • @matthewneddeau7993
      @matthewneddeau7993 Рік тому +11

      This guy thinks he’s Eisenhower 😂 nothing funnier then an armchair general in the UA-cam comment section

    • @CptFugu
      @CptFugu Рік тому +7

      @@matthewneddeau7993 He is absolutely right, though.

    • @Jimmythefish577
      @Jimmythefish577 Рік тому +8

      @@bark1actual785 the Iraqis were not well trained or motivated. Poor example, the US hasn’t fought a well trained modern army since Korea….

    • @majungasaurusaaaa
      @majungasaurusaaaa Рік тому +2

      @@Jimmythefish577 Then what constitutes as "well trained"? Certainly not the modern euros whose def budgets are gutted.

  • @johnnytyler5685
    @johnnytyler5685 Рік тому +16

    That Humvee thunder run video is the perfect definition of "LEEEROOOOY JENKINS!!!" I actually laughed out loud the first time I saw it...those Humvees bouncing 10 feet off the ground as they hit artillery shell craters at 45 MPH. I was shocked that an armored Humvee could even sustain just ONE hard hit like that! Those armored Humvees weigh like three times their initial designed weight with all that added armor on them and as much as I adore the Humvee/Hummer platform, I expected the wheels to snap off every time those Ukrainians hit a crater at flank speed.
    But they not only made it to the other end of the field and delivered all of their troops, they were also able to drive BACK to where they came from based on the video. I was suitably impressed all around...both with the Humvees' ruggedness and the gigantic swinging nuts on those Ukrainians. They were basically playing dodgeball in a field with armored Humvees, except instead of getting hit with a ball, they'd be getting hit and vaporized or Swiss cheesed by a 152mm artillery shell. The Ukrainians seem to have a lot of faith in those old Humvees from the videos I've seen of them being used in the conflict.

    • @andrewhorsfall317
      @andrewhorsfall317 Рік тому +6

      Beautiful seeing them in action like this. Sure beats driving 15 mph in Iraq waiting for the next IED.

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError Рік тому

      well... Humvee is in it's natural habitat anyways...
      MRAP was designed for war on terror before re-designated and designed for near-peer war as a new platform on MATV/ LATV

  • @disposabull
    @disposabull Рік тому +13

    Many decades ago the US military did an important series of exercises.
    They pitted a team of tanks against different opponents, tanks VS tanks, tanks VS mixed groups etc and tanks VS buggies with ATGM's.
    Not only did the buggies destroy vastly more tanks but they also took vastly fewer casualties and as an added bonus had a vastly lower logistics burden.
    Small, fast moving infantry with the ability to destroy a target and then vanish are devastatingly effective against a "Big Army" enemy.

    • @GrimYak
      @GrimYak Рік тому +3

      I think what you see here is the outcome of that study. Ukrainian forces are nato trained since 2014. These are essentially nato tactics and i see that by the way UA forces operate. They have quads and buggies with mounted ATGMs and machine guns. Cool to watch if you ask me

    • @Kiev-en-3-jours
      @Kiev-en-3-jours Рік тому +2

      True. They also tried tanks VS camels and tanks VS skateboards.

    • @mkvv5687
      @mkvv5687 Рік тому +1

      @@Kiev-en-3-jours True. Also tanks vs Segways and tanks vs scooters.

    • @JustinShaedo
      @JustinShaedo Рік тому +3

      True. Also tried tanks vs small ducks and tanks vs 'a vague sense of unease'

    • @disposabull
      @disposabull Рік тому +4

      @@JustinShaedo True. Of course the ultimate anti tank tactic is killer rabbits armed with holy hand grenades.
      Unfortunately the Knights who say Ni! have declared themselves neutral during this conflict and are busy tending their shrubberies instead.

  • @foedspaghetti3290
    @foedspaghetti3290 Рік тому +29

    Guess where I first heard that? From a former member of the Panzer SS on his reflection of the Willys Jeep with a bazooka sometime in the early 80s.

  • @TB-zf7we
    @TB-zf7we Рік тому +29

    This Mad Max version of a Thunder Run would only work on the undermotivated, undertrained & underequipped Ruzzian's. Reminds me of WW2 Rat Patrol or Chad Toyota Wars. Of course the armored HMWV is more capable than previous used vehicles.

    • @Hornet_Legion
      @Hornet_Legion Рік тому +4

      They are using a lot dune buggies and e bikes well. Imagine a headquarters safely behind enemy lines , than a Ukrainian officer entering their tent with pistol in hand. Demands surrender bluffing he has a battalion at his command.
      They surrender and than find out he only had a couple of dune buggies and some e bikes.

    • @leonfa259
      @leonfa259 Рік тому

      A lot in war depends on just being in the right place with the right kit, even an unarmoured Toyota or atv helps exploiting breakthroughs, avoiding artillery shelling and bringing troops to where they need to be. A few guys with a at rockets and long range fire support can take out a train behind enemy lines and therefore cut off supply.

    • @Tragicide
      @Tragicide Рік тому +1

      Thank God somebody remembers The Great Toyota War. Wish somebody could make a movie outta that.

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError Рік тому

      @@Tragicide i bet hollywood is already planning on the retreat in afghan... there could be a scene like that there...
      it's literally just canonball run but taliban.

    • @briankoepke9891
      @briankoepke9891 Рік тому

      Chad came to my mind too.

  • @davidelliott5843
    @davidelliott5843 Рік тому +5

    The British SAS used long wheelbase Landrovers during gulf wars to make fast runs into enemy territory. The idea began in North Africa during WW2 using Willys Jeeps.

  • @Blackcloud_Garage
    @Blackcloud_Garage Рік тому +6

    It’s modern cavalry. Move fast, recon the battlefield, exploit weak points, get in the enemy’s rear area. The most important thing is to retain the freedom to maneuver and do not get decisively engaged.

  • @c.a.saunders2819
    @c.a.saunders2819 Рік тому +8

    Very effective battlefield strategy employed by the much smarter Ukrainian Armed Forces. Putin, and his military leadership are just getting outsmarted at every level by the Ukrainians. It's so impressive, and so great to see. Thanks for the report.
    🇺🇲🇺🇦
    Glory to God,
    Victory for Ukraine,
    Rise Free Nations!

  • @bremnersghost948
    @bremnersghost948 Рік тому +5

    David Stirling would highly approve ;-)

  • @ThePaulobraveheart
    @ThePaulobraveheart Рік тому +8

    Lukashenko is in need of a lesson.🇵🇹

    • @PD55_
      @PD55_ Рік тому

      Putin's pet, Lukashenko, must go. But the bureaucrats turn into oligarchs, that's the Soviet way.

  • @user-jn1tr8mo3g
    @user-jn1tr8mo3g Рік тому +3

    He slipped up a bit when he said "us" instead of "the Ukrainians", but I think he got away with it.

  • @Ruhrpottpatriot
    @Ruhrpottpatriot Рік тому +18

    I find it funny, that apparently now -- after 20 years of fighting terrorists -- we "rediscover" lessons we already learned in the cold war. The German army had the so called "Kraka", basically a slightly bigger Quad ATV. It was used to ferry small squads, 20mm autocannons, TOW, 120mm mortars, etc. and had a top speed of 80km/h. Most of it's role has been taken over by the MB Wolf and Wiesel.
    The US had the M274, the Belgians had the FN AS 24 and the UK had the "Folding Military Bicycle".

    • @majungasaurusaaaa
      @majungasaurusaaaa Рік тому

      People nowadays are casualty averse pussies. Send anyone in a thin skinned vehicle and you're gonna have a home front scandal.

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError Рік тому +1

      || and the UK had the "Folding Military Bicycle".
      As a citizen from one of the former colony, spit out laughed at that... so they did learned something from the japanese, but proceed to reinvent the wheel.

    • @mkvv5687
      @mkvv5687 Рік тому

      I always thought that the Bren was a pretty good idea.

    • @mkvv5687
      @mkvv5687 Рік тому

      Also, 20 years is about a generation. I'm not surprised that we lost that institutional knowledge. Various military talking heads have been discussing that this year.

  • @timmurphy5541
    @timmurphy5541 Рік тому +38

    We should learn lessons from the situation: i.e. that one's assumptions can be very wrong and we can find ourselves in situations we didn't expect. Iraq was not expected (not far in advance), nor the IED problem there and in Afghanistan, nor the need for artillery in Ukraine etc etc. Hence it might be best to have some flexibility in one's mindset and to have flexible equipment in enough quantity that one can lose some of it. Another way is to train in lots of different scenarios and make the changes that are needed to ensure each scenario isn't a total disaster - but not to optimise purely for one scenario.

    • @activista9462
      @activista9462 Рік тому

      Lesson number two: our foreign intelligence repeatedly sucks, endangering the lives of every service member for the last twenty years. From Saddam’s non-existent weapons, to Putin’s non-existent military strength, the CIA continues to demonstrate why ineffective oversight is a threat to national security for the United States and its allies.
      We can do better, and God knows our service members and their families deserve better.

    • @kevinbooe4123
      @kevinbooe4123 Рік тому

      I’m almost positive countries are using this war as an experiment for future weapons

    • @RaySpainPlayer
      @RaySpainPlayer Рік тому

      Well said, mate

  • @tatradak
    @tatradak Рік тому +11

    Yes a bit Mad Max but the tatic is of interest and needs to be tried other ways.. The main issue is the vehicles mobility is lacking.. This is where Ripsaw madmax tracked vehicle needs looking at in another light.. The UKMOD is seriously stuck in the mud in some areas and they need a specialist team to properly evaluate this sort of tatic.

  • @pacificcoltrane7652
    @pacificcoltrane7652 Рік тому +2

    The Ukrainian forces are demonstrating well-executed tactical shock-runs. I am thoroughly impressed with how effective Ukrainian forces have managed to become in this conflict.
    What they need now are extensive supplies and long-range weapons from their allies.

    • @zyeborm
      @zyeborm Рік тому +1

      I think they are being seriously hampered by not being allowed to attack targets in Russia at all. Allowing Russian troops to rearm and resupply by crossing one line on a map is bad. if they were allowed to hit Russian bases supply depots, refineries, rail etc over the border it'd help their war effort and potentially put pressure on the Russian leadership from their civilian population.

  • @thedownwardmachine
    @thedownwardmachine Рік тому

    This was a surprisingly insightful analysis. I’ll keep it in mind next time I consider a tactic like this

  • @eansmith4925
    @eansmith4925 Рік тому +3

    They are Damn good for a bunch of guys that were doing regular 9 to 5’s 6 months ago.
    Slava Ukraine

  • @1chish
    @1chish Рік тому +4

    this is why the Ukrainians love all the Warriors we have sent. Its exactly the sort of armoured vehicles we should be developing. Ajax doesn't cut it.

    • @DrumToTheBassWoop
      @DrumToTheBassWoop Рік тому

      Boxer IFVs are going to be the future due to interobability of modules.

  • @quicktoevil
    @quicktoevil Рік тому +1

    Sure, its a light tank from WWII but I've always thought the Stuart was a gem, fast, mobile and packed a punch

  • @johncoyne9560
    @johncoyne9560 Рік тому +5

    Its the best sort of tactics that you can think off. Start off reasonably fast but furious with firepower and a few grenades you will demoralize the enemy very quickly. Read books about the special services in and around the Gulf areas of the 70s and 80s. After a few days of loosing sleep and missing meal times, the enemy will only be about twenty percent effective, most probably less than that. Slava Ukraine

  • @deltatwoniner96
    @deltatwoniner96 Рік тому +7

    I think A young Lt. George Patton was the first to use cars to assault an enemy position. It was during the punitive raids against Poncha Villa. He used three cars assaulted the hideout killed three of the enemy then withdrew after 50 or so enemy reinforcements arrived and attacked them by horse. They weren't armored or have machine guns. But about 20 guys in 3 dodge cars, with colt peacemakers, 1911, and Springfield rifles was pretty impressive. Of course Patton went on to be a legend in tank warfare.

    • @Uncle_Smallett
      @Uncle_Smallett Рік тому

      So... he just copied typical mob hit-n-run attack known by films? Or i wrong?

    • @amyrichard3203
      @amyrichard3203 Рік тому

      Patton was responsible for the fast Sherman tank , that was inferior to German tanks. But they were fast and lots of them. Unfortunately they burned like Ronson lighters, which became their nickname..

  • @paintballusa1658
    @paintballusa1658 Рік тому +4

    Brilliant 👍 God bless Ukraine with peace 🙏🏻🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

  • @heywoodjablome2018
    @heywoodjablome2018 Рік тому +1

    Violence of action in glorious HD

  • @ashedarke
    @ashedarke Рік тому +3

    They had been remotely dismantling the forces beforehand and with drone surveillance they probably knew what they were getting into. Changes in ground conditions probably played a big factor, and these smaller vehicles will use much less fuel.
    Drones, missiles and artillery to remove any armour, then sweep in with speed to clear up.

  • @conradcodfish8638
    @conradcodfish8638 Рік тому +1

    Probably has shares in the the Jackle builds

  • @cringe_lord5762
    @cringe_lord5762 Рік тому +2

    Light cavalry in the middle age:
    Horse and bow
    Light cavalry in this day:
    Any kind light armored car and Machine gun or MANPADS
    Seems like we turn to where we start before 😂

  • @Keyswiz71
    @Keyswiz71 Рік тому +3

    Go in fast with high levels of directed aggression and then melt away. Pretty much a 21st century version of the LRDG/SAS tactics that were so successful during WW2.

  • @aumarigan
    @aumarigan Рік тому +3

    It is all Mad Max... Love the description.

    • @volgantifriebus9549
      @volgantifriebus9549 Рік тому

      Hopefully it worked the Russians won't be caught off guard again

    • @terrynewsome6698
      @terrynewsome6698 Рік тому

      @@volgantifriebus9549 hopefully the Russians will be coughed of guard again.

  • @florian6259
    @florian6259 Рік тому +1

    I recommand to everyone interested in the subject of fast/light vehicules to check all of the french wheeled vehicules. It's one of the few major armies that kept till today those around and it works very effectively

  • @jamesslough6465
    @jamesslough6465 Рік тому +1

    British fast long range desert patrols in North Africa in WWII doctrine. Same tactics and just as effective. Hard to stop

  • @brettyates7054
    @brettyates7054 Рік тому +4

    I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking that this is an incredibly old school of military doctrine, talking like it’s some revelation suggests we’ve forgotten an awful lot about war fighting… couple that with the serious strategic errors made by the Russians, basic errors, it suggests that during times of peace our philosophy on war fighting has moved in seriously impractical directions.

  • @danielthompson6207
    @danielthompson6207 Рік тому

    They're just choosing the momentum and not letting the enemy dictate the tempo of the fight. Good on them!

  • @jimbayler4277
    @jimbayler4277 Рік тому +1

    @ Nicholas Drummond: The Ukrainians in this video are following the exact model of the British SAS in North Africa during WWII. It was effective then and it is effective now.
    The quality of the enemy force is not the deciding factor.
    German forces under Rommel were highly trained, skilled, and motivated. Yet the SAS was very effective.

  • @adaslesniak
    @adaslesniak Рік тому +3

    On the Kherson front there are best well trained and well equipped russian units. And after 7 months of war leaders (on tactical level) did learn a lot.
    Very different from Kharkiv front.
    In open tank is as fragile as light car, so better be fast, than armored.
    If Ukraine had Abrams or Leopards they could try other tactics.

  • @johnallen7807
    @johnallen7807 Рік тому +1

    Tactics as used 80 years ago by the LRDG/SAS in North Africa.

  • @MichaelThomasMarion
    @MichaelThomasMarion Рік тому +1

    The Ukrainian's "Fast-Attack" tactics slightly remind me of the tactics employed by Britain's SAS in North Africa during WWII.

  • @deathhoundseeker8278
    @deathhoundseeker8278 Рік тому +3

    We need some real life halo warthogs

  • @modelrailwaynoob
    @modelrailwaynoob Рік тому +4

    lol The british invented it in WWII

  • @mystic37
    @mystic37 Рік тому

    lightning runs when done correctly is amazing

  • @aA-ye1cf
    @aA-ye1cf Рік тому

    My unit developed a range of mutual support fast fighting vehicles which we used very effectivly.

  • @johnfarmerfarmer4901
    @johnfarmerfarmer4901 Рік тому +5

    Blitzkrieg does work.

  • @PiratedDev
    @PiratedDev Рік тому +1

    small fast forces have been in use since ww2 to huge succes.

  • @crisfirestar4857
    @crisfirestar4857 Рік тому

    I can only think of the RipSaw tank going very fast on the field with its excellent off road capabilities

  • @keithruhl3545
    @keithruhl3545 Рік тому

    Drones has to be one of the biggest game changers in modern warfare. Not just the Himars.

  • @andreteixeira5635
    @andreteixeira5635 Рік тому +2

    These light vehicles can carry nlaws, Javelins and stingers on board. And this gives them serious punching power.

  • @t23001
    @t23001 Рік тому

    Ukraine has done an excellent job of combining the use of homegrown and foreign equipment. The key drivers of their success appears to be courage/motivation, organization, citizen support, and the use of drone intelligence to improve the effectiveness of soldiers and equipment.

  • @monsterman51
    @monsterman51 Рік тому +1

    They did this with jeeps in north Africa during WW2!

  • @runmarkrunheinrich
    @runmarkrunheinrich Рік тому +1

    Post WWII tanks effective armor went much lighter since ammo technology rendered the massively think armor useless. This isn't unprecented.

  • @reallyhappenings5597
    @reallyhappenings5597 Рік тому

    By far the most interesting war of recent decades from a tactical view

  • @ColinWatters
    @ColinWatters Рік тому +1

    In other conflicts fast light vehicles like this have been very vulnerable to mines and IED.

  • @MrAwsomenoob
    @MrAwsomenoob Рік тому +1

    YOOOO someone get a hold of crewserved
    OUR BOY IS ON THE NEWS!!!

  • @paxundpeace9970
    @paxundpeace9970 Рік тому

    This requires to accept some losses.
    But even today humvees get somewhat replaced by different variants. Well Armoured JLTV and MRAPs and unprotected Light Ground Vehicles which might carry a squad or atvs that carry only 3 men and a M2

  • @markaxworthy2508
    @markaxworthy2508 Рік тому +1

    This only works where there is sparse opposition. These light vehicles are as vulnerable as cavalry horses in WWII.

  • @xionglin2009
    @xionglin2009 Рік тому +1

    kinda reminds me how cavalry evolved, after the introduction of musketeers(actually a bit before that), heavy cavalry charging techniques start to be less and less effective, but cavalrys stick around for couple more centuries, as a light and quick franking force, was legendary under napoleon

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError Рік тому

      ain't there a few units still named that, just like grenadiers?

  • @dave10392
    @dave10392 Рік тому

    Guys, we showed the world how to do this in the 1980's. The SADF ran circles around the Cubans and their Russian advisors in Angola.
    The South African units in our ratels and casspirs ran circles around them.
    Those tactics are still studied at westpoint.

  • @RobinHartJones
    @RobinHartJones Рік тому

    People are likening this to a cavalry charge but it is also similar to how Germany transformed tanks from solo slow moving infantry support vehicles to squadrons of fast vehicles that overwhelmed the enemy defences through sheer speed and agression then continued moving without backup while the slower following forces mopped up. The Allied forces were still sitting in the Ardennes wondering what had just happened while the panzers were arriving at Paris.

  • @strawwalker8177
    @strawwalker8177 Рік тому

    High speed mobile light military vehicles are highly effect.
    AT Vehicles with mounted mach guns. Have great effect when off road and with the use of ATMs are used behind enemy lines to destroy supply lines.

  • @Atite_Lometen
    @Atite_Lometen Рік тому

    What they are doing best is assessing the situation and utilization of their equipment and do best how to counter their short comings, they are out number but not out think, or outwit in any type of form.

  • @edsilva54
    @edsilva54 Рік тому +1

    Love that tree trimmer

  • @kraftrad7840
    @kraftrad7840 Рік тому +1

    Need to mention that this makes only sense if you have the recon, to know what is defening.
    Imagine a protected IFV thats imune to the 50 and answers with a 30mm MK. Than its a disaster

  • @h___p___2036
    @h___p___2036 Рік тому +1

    Every soldier fights for it's own country

  • @331SVTCobra
    @331SVTCobra Рік тому

    I agree with the gentleman.
    To paraphrase, it is possible under certain circumstances for mounted cavalry to charge across open terrain successfully. Generally this is not the case.
    Soldiers in jeeps would be little more than targets to a determined defense.

  • @nigelmcmaster7124
    @nigelmcmaster7124 Рік тому

    This is exactly what the South African armoured vehicles are designed to perform, the rooikat tank can do in excess of 100kph across super rough terrain, supported by the CASSPIR and Buffel troop carriers

  • @MaxSluiman
    @MaxSluiman Рік тому +1

    I think it was done before. The Hussars in the 18th century, the Germans at the start of ww2 and the British at the start of ww2.

  • @ausforce1
    @ausforce1 Рік тому +2

    A modern day cavalry charge 🔥👍

  • @stevemcgowen
    @stevemcgowen Рік тому +1

    In this situation the USA would rely on air power, rather than ground forces…

  • @henryposadas295
    @henryposadas295 Рік тому +4

    Im confused. Didn't the Germans incorporate this with their Blitzkreig tactic in WW2? That is why they used motorcycles with mounted machine guns on the sidecar. The SAS also operated deep within enemy lines blowing up airfields although the SAS acted indipendently.

    • @JustinShaedo
      @JustinShaedo Рік тому

      Yes the Germans did this, but strictly speaking it wasn't Blitzkreig (which incorporates more combined arms eg CAS, tanks, mounted infantry etc)

    • @gazz3867
      @gazz3867 Рік тому +1

      You can do that if you can outrun the enemy's ability to communicate and/or set up a defense. Against even a half-hearted defense by combined arms, these technicals will go up in flames.
      Since the Russians seem incapable of doing such a thing, paint it red. Make it go fasta. ;)

  • @BenjaminPitkin
    @BenjaminPitkin Рік тому +1

    Where do you think Russia went wrong?
    Me: "Attacking Ukraine".

  • @kevinpittman2517
    @kevinpittman2517 Рік тому +1

    ive been screaming about using fast light buggies and stuff like that for the past 4 months... finally it seems to be realised how effective they are and can be

    • @Uncle_Smallett
      @Uncle_Smallett Рік тому +1

      Adequate armed vehicle with modern fire control, thermal and optics wipe those buggies out kinda in a minute. And proper defense place tanks and IFV or APC teams in a net, covering most directions. Even small buggy cant prone or crawl, or hide while support put fire at right place. Defense must be supressed to advance usualy. In this case there just wasnt nothing to call proper defense. Aaand there was lack of trained troops with morale.

  • @JelMain
    @JelMain Рік тому +1

    They have been using stripped-down ATV gokarts in other videos. The importance of speed remains, as the success of our obsolete Spartans shows.

  • @Daytona2
    @Daytona2 Рік тому

    As many others have pointed out, there's nothing new in this. It's a tactic that has been used for millenia.
    The British Army has re-adopted the more fluid tactic after the collapse of the USSR, and the requirement to confront large bodies of slow, heavy armour. They're using Foxhound, Mastiff, Husky, Wolfhound and Panther's alongside their heavy armour.

  • @gerrycooper56
    @gerrycooper56 Рік тому +1

    AKA Long Range Desert Group.

  • @eatdriveplay
    @eatdriveplay Рік тому

    Key to the success of such doctrine is good intelligence and doctrine & discipline of engaging with long range weapons against heavier armed armour, keeping themselves out of range and speed of their opponents.

  • @TheRst2001
    @TheRst2001 Рік тому

    these tactics are bread and butter of warfare since time began .

  • @jantschierschky3461
    @jantschierschky3461 Рік тому

    Well I was a conscript in west Germany 1984-5. I look at our training verses what I see the Russians do, I am absolutely amazed how badly they are prepared. Especially in vehicle operation, convoy discipline, camouflage it's stunningly bad. They don't even have camouflage netting.

  • @cavalryscout9519
    @cavalryscout9519 Рік тому

    US light (humvee) cavalry trains for that sort of fighting, but it's really a last option, for when the most important thing is to keep the inertia in your favor. If we had the option to use the cav for recon and call on tanks or armored vehicles for assault, we'd do that instead.

  • @SoloRenegade
    @SoloRenegade Рік тому

    I've been advocating light and fast tactics for decades. But you have to do it correctly. most people don't get what it requires to work.

  • @cathoderay305
    @cathoderay305 Рік тому +1

    Aren't these basically the same tactics that the British SAS employed against the Germans in Africa during World War 2? I'm pretty sure that the fast, heavily armed light truck attacks used to attack Luftwaffe and Africa Corps bases by Sterling set the precedent for this kind of warfare.

  • @MLN-yz4ph
    @MLN-yz4ph Рік тому +1

    This reminds me of the old "The Rat Patrol" from the late 60's. And I think there are these types of missions in the current services, just not as standard doctrine or every unit type. Speed vs Protection is as old as War.

  • @lukesearle1302
    @lukesearle1302 Рік тому +1

    SAS WW2 attack with jeeps with heavy machine guns on top. That's what this is.

  • @Tjd1982
    @Tjd1982 Рік тому

    Isnt this what the humvee was for? Before they started putting all the armor plate on it?
    Fast light troop movement vehicle.

  • @joenew6237
    @joenew6237 Рік тому

    I love the example at the end as old boy shoots over his buddy's head it looks like they all could be taken out with one grenade cuz they're so damn close they could give each other the reach around

  • @jenger83
    @jenger83 Рік тому

    3:00 in late 2005 I was in Fallujah working security for jolan park. We would drive into the park in the early am and drive out to sleep. One morning after we pull into the park, some nco or staff nco we didn't know chewed are asses for driving with the windows down. Ied threat = windows up and high speed driving. It's been over 15 years I wonder if that guy has seen these pictures of ivans sitting on a track in a combat zone getting ambushed.

  • @TroggyPK
    @TroggyPK Рік тому

    Oh my god.... Its almost like this happened before idk about 80 years ago in a little county called france