Due to localization rules for the SNES, they'd probably have to literally rewrite the entire story to the point that it's themes and everything else is totally different. With how much it costs to localize a game back in the day, not to mention how big this game is (30+ hours!), then it'd seriously wouldn't have been worth it.
No one would have played it. Remember when they stopped localizing persona 2 innocent sin because it portrayed a gay couple (protagonist X Jun) and the Church was protesting against Atlus?
@@Sneedboy In the game, Lisa confesses to you. You can answer: -I love you too. -I'm in love with Maya. -I'm in love with Jun. -I only have eyes for Eikichi. The first three change your relationship status. The last one is a joke, you stay single and Lisa gets mad at you for liking Eikichi rather than her.
It boggles my mind how this game didnt create a HUGE backlash from the religious community. I mean, summoning demons and killing God? As in YHVH THE CHRISTIAN GOD? LOL
Ferv Corsica Luckily, the early SMT games were fairly obscure over here at the time, but you raise a point. In a time when overseas games were heavily localized when the came here, I’m kinda amazed that SMT had a fairly uncensored translation.
Diamond Metal IIRC, SMT II has never been officially translated and released outside of Japan; a fan translation of the SFC version was released in 2004 though.
Fuck the right wing religious scumbags, they're exactly what YHVH wants for everyone of his followers; blind loyalty and kill who rejects their religion
@Canal do K Hm, i didn't know that. I thought it was just Yumiko that was the reincarnation of a deity, that being Izanami, and that allowed her to use magic. But then again, i only watched the OVA and played MegaTen 1 once a long time ago, so correct me if i'm wrong.
Nakajima is a reincarnation of Izanagi, Kazuya is implied to be a reincarnation of Adan, Aleph is the messiah, i think so. Naoki was just an average human that liked games and occultisn. And Flynn is another messiah. So Hitoshura was the most normal from the start i think.. Edit: curiously all those special humans could summon demons only thanks to technology. While Hitoshura, being turned half demon, could naturally get along with demons.
True; in these games, both chaos and law are flawed, hence the existence of Neutral; that, and Satan ends up being the more sympathetic one most of the time, with YHWH or whatever the ruler of Law is not willing to give any freedom to anyone.
Pure Law is Gods Dictatorship no free will what so ever just order so no individuals no more just all 1 consciousness a system this is pure good yes but its disgustingly boring. Pure Chaos is Darwinian Demonic rule of power lots of free wills that can choose to fight each other for power, they might be bloodthirsty or not who knows every individual is different. Chaos is better than Law as you can see since freedom is improvised there. Or neutral. Those are the freest. Law is where the least harm happens but at the cost all individual freedom & will. To me absolute law is the true evil. So fuck god. Everyone must be in control of their own lives, does this produces chaos as a result? disorder? evil? sure. sometimes. but so be it thats what is interesting about living conscious beings. That they are all different, unique & sometimes even disagree or agree with each other because of their personalities, egos & wills. The interesting vs the uninteresting I see all things that way. No good, no evil, no law, no chaos.
Citizen 17 It would be weird, though in hindsight it's been revealed that the SMT version of YHVH isn't literally God but a mad computer construct that the real God hates because it's making Him look bad, so i guess it's weirdly appropriate
@@Xeper616 Sorry for the confusion. But, the original creator of SMT never necessarily intended to make it seem as if YHVH was truly a bad guy. Hence, what Tarin means by the mad computer construct. It is just a program designed to make him look bad. It's powerful, but not real.
In the game the characters pronounce it in a impossible way. It's sounds like scratching a record. I wonder why they did that instead of pronouncing it normally.
i think there are a few possible reasons. 1) they don't wish to get in trouble with christians. (real life, i mean.) 2) His name is far too grand for the characters understanding. maybe someone else can provide a more logical reasoning.
I believe it sounds that way in Apocalypse because YHVH is debated on its pronouncation of the tetragrammaton. Yahweh, Jehovah, stuff like that. Also, people used Adonai "My Lord" because pronouncing God's name is sacred. That's my reasoning behind it. :P
To bad the game absolutely butchered both his character and a good chunk of the SMT universe as well. Also, we learned how to pronounce it from Devil Survivor.
YHVH: "Thy blades canst not even scratch me, feel the wrath of my divine lightning, and plummet into the bowels of Hell, burning in its unending flames!" also YHVH: "Its just a prank bro, stop wait its a prank"
Pro tip: Have a low intelligence demon in your party revived as Undead to eat all the instant kills. For this to work you need to level up Hiroko untill she learns Necroma. Another pro tip: Throughout the game always open the golden chests on a full moon to have Alice appear. It is the easiest way to get an overkill weapon for Hiroko very early.
As a catholic, some people need to calm down. This is just a character made by some Japanese people in the 90s that is loosely based on the lord, all as a vehicle to explore different philosophies. It’s not an attack against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or any other religion. It’s a fictional story set in a fictional world that explores fictional characters and events. You don’t need to defend God’s honor against a video game, frankly I don’t believe He cares about any of this. It’s just a game.
Creator of SMT said that YHVH being evil is a symptom of something being deeply, deeply wrong with the universe itself And that YHVH is essentially the Demiurge from Gnosticism
I mean, where's the strategy here? No Press Turn system in this game, and I don't see any healing, buffing, enemy weaknesses; it's pretty much spamming attack and resurrecting anyone who gets killed. Far cry from modern SMT.
+K1naku5ana3R1ka There were buffs, I used tarukaja on Aelph several times to buff him, and healed a few times too. The problem is that he spammed an instant kill attack constantly, so there's not much you can do but keep reviving and attack. There's no point wasting time buffing anyone else because he will probably just kill them instantly the next turn anyways. Not every fight is like this.
+Assembly of Nihilo Do pardon me if I am being quick to judge the series from one video, but you can agree that SMT has come a long way since this. I mean, the first two games didn't even have the Press Turn system, one of the most fundamental things in later SMT games! This game also seems somewhat more... abstract (can't think of a better word), with how your party characters aren't given sprites, but only names (even Strange Journey showed sprites for your demons!), and the attacks are given minimal animation. Granted, some of the later games lost some of these (Persona dropped the Press Turn system, for one), but these also tended to change things in other, more radical ways (Persona had the Personas be assistants to your party rather than the party itself, Devil Survivor added in TBS elements, with a weird version of the Press Turn system and such, and Digital Devil Saga has no demon fusion system at all!), but the point stands that SMTI is a far cry from the rest of the series.
+K1naku5ana3R1ka Shin Megami Tensei II is my favorite game of all time, hands down. I have played every Shin Megami game, and not only does it beat out those, but every other JRPG I've played.
When Aleph dies (and he will die), there will no more guardians of this world. When that happens YHVH *will* return and remake this world into the one we know of in Nocturne. And Aleph will be forced into an endless cycle of death and rebirth. Only the Demi-fiend will have saved him, with the death of Kagutsuchi will he truly be free to return to his mother and friends.
@@zaqareemalcolm You can kill YHVH, but people believing in it brings YHWH back eventually, and Nanashi kind of becomes the new YHVH in the Massacre route (but I think the Bonds route was canon last I checked)
zaqareemalcolm The only things that can truly destroy YHVH are Stephen and the Axiom. They have the power to erase him from all universes and timelines, but I guess they just don’t want to.
What is a god to a non believer anyway? Everything that has a conciousness is living & all living can die. So I become the god slayer. Creative freedom itself.
Maybe this had been said before, but the music that plays at the start (when you face yhvh) sounds similar to the start of the archangel battle theme in smt iv
Dude lol. I have to say as a person who believes in God I can still find enjoyment in these kind of games. Religious people shouldn't really take this as an offense. I found that these kind of things help and make you more opened minded. You can still destroy a representation of God in a game and have fun because it's just that, a game. Anyways I like this game.
nothing amazing actually, japan always didn't give a shit about western culture and morality, and making a game where you can fight alongside demons was just interesting to them, not even thinking about how the west would react because they didn't care
Don't forget to check out Megami Tensei 1&2 (SNES translation of the original NES games, not "SHIN") The guy has his own website, and did a great job on them.
+Mykroe1 I wonder how likely it is. A lot of the older games have been re-released in the West, but I think SMTII is the only game where you can kill the Judeo/Christian/Islamic God. That might piss some people off. I want to see it too, though.
+MetalSnakeXIII don't tell the Muslims he's different, because they sure seem to think he's the same guy. And they don't call him YHVH/YHWH, but that's a Hebrew term, so they wouldn't anyway.
kevin rianto Actually no,YHVH is not the Islamic God,the Islamic God is called Allah and his description in the Qu'ran(assuming you read a proper translation for it) is the complete opposite of YHVH. Also,SMT2 is no longer the only game where you can kill YHVH
If you go on the Law route you're pretty much exorcising a false idol for the sake of the actual God, the Great Will. Isn't that the most christian plot to a JRPG ever?
@@christopherbravo1813 Nope and nope. Read Kaneko's interviews. YHWH is like Odin/Zeus/Ba'al/Indra/every male supreme deity rolled into one. He's an archetype, not a concrete god, it just so happens that YHWH is the most famous of the bunch.
God this fight was designed to be unwinnable, I swear. It's like his monumental avoid and massive HP compound with his defense to make this impossible.
God is actually more of an evil bastard in the bible than he is in this game. I mean come on, is a benevolent and graceful lord the same guy who says “Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock” (ie, I will bless you if you smash your baby against a rock).
@@christopherbravo1813 Maltheism is what happens when whatever scriptures convinced most atheists that gods aren't real ends up convincing you that they're evil instead, but without the realization that they probably aren't real. The realization that I've never actually perceived compelling evidence of the existence of the supernatural before unfortunately didn't hit until 2 or 3 years later.
@@christopherbravo1813 Christopher you need to let go. We're talking about a videogame. Its great to have beliefs but please, no where in the bible does god say to be a cringe lord in the comments
@@christopherbravo1813 oh I'm sorry. Do I have some government ordained power to get you to shut up or did I simply use my first amendment power to criticize your religious beliefs? I mean you do no the first amendment protects you from the government, not criticism
@@anenemystand5582 I never said that you couldn't criticize me. I'm saying that you don't get to decide what I can and can't say in a youtube comments section-especially one of a video about a game that attacks my beliefs.
The skill called DIVINE used by SHIVA is a skill that deals 1/4 damage of the enemy's current HP. To be honest, this game is famous as a masterpiece in Japan, but the combat balance is not very good.
Correction: YHVH is the Judeo-Christian interpretation of The Abrahamic God under Old Testament Context within the Shin Megami Tensei Universe where Judaic Henotheism is the main driving focus that is supported through Christianity and Islam within the in-game Universe. If it were to also be based off of the Islamic interpretation within the Shin Megami Tensei Universe, then Angels are genderless sentient robots with no free will, Demons are their own radically separate class of supernatural creatures known as Jinns who have Free Will apart from Angels and not considered a rank you earn as “Fallen Creation”, and oh yeah The Abrahamic God is unimaginable/incomprehensible. Nothing is like unto Him is what the Quranic verse 42:11 dictates about WHAT The God of Abraham truly IS. Basically what I’m trying to say is that YHVH represented as a Giant Yellow Patrick Stewart within the Shin Megami Tensei Universe through the limited scope of Human Imagination can’t be The Abrahamic God.
Actually, this game's YHVH is accurate; this really is Satan for Yahweh is satan. I cant believe that im witnessing a video game thats naming all demons, fighting against each other.
Emulator is the most common and easiest way. Just look up an emulator and download it. Then download a rom on a website. Just make sure you download the emulator and rom from a trustworthy website or your device could catch malware.
Yo, I'll say this, I had a shit time trying to beat this boss because it kept crashing or overflows happen. . Love the game, but fuck this boss man. . .
YHWH, Yahweh, Yah, Jah, Jehovah, is actually an Egyptian moon deity who became Osiris and doesn't mean "I AM That I Am." In Hebrew "I Am That I AM" is actually "Ahih Asr Ahih."
+More Hero (MorHero) "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" is "I Am That I Am" in Hebrew. I AM does just fine too. So too does Jehova & Yehoshua. Yeshua = son of YEhoSHUA. But if people are confused over what name to call him, he/it knows this full well to be inevitable. So just as long as you know you're talking about The God of Abraham when you pray you're good to go. Or even just Almighty One, or Most High.
There is nothing connecting Osris and Judeo-Christian religion. I would like a source text for your comment. The Judaic Torah is written has section in Aramic, but there is no text stating "Ahih Asr Ahih" for Osiris.
I'm a Christian and I don't find this offensive, but I do fid this part of the game silly and frankly a let-down. Still a great game though, one of the better SMT games even after the others
The SMT games have there own mythos that takes from several believes and religions. YHVH here while seams to be the Christian God is much more inspired by the Demiurge from Gnostic texts. While the Great Will is what we would call the actual God of the universe.
Guciom The Great Will isn't the Judeo-Christian God, he's a pantheistic god, think like Spinoza's god, the Brahman of the Hindus, or the All of the Hermetics. As for the Demiurge, he is a separate demon which appears in the franchise.
DevilBuster Kaz The Great Will isn't the god of the Bible though, as I already explained he's a pantheistic god, he is the universe. If you equate the Great Will to your God then you are factually wrong, unless you all the sudden have converted to any one of the pantheistic religions I have mentioned above. He is not the God of the Covenant, nor the God of Jesus, that is YHVH. The gnostic Demiurge differs from YHVH in that the Gnostics believed that the Supreme God was the New Testament God while the Old Testament God of the Covenant was a separate one, the Demiurge. YHVH in SMT is both, much like the Christian God. He IS the Christian God.
We are literally arguing semantics though as I and the rest of the people on this thread are arguing the "meaning" (for a lack of a better word) of YHVH and his role in the franchise. YHVH does not take inspiration from any sources that are not mainstream Judeo-Christian other than Kabbalah (Jewish Mysticism) and other Abrahamic beleif systems. The point being that YHVH is an exclusively Abrahamic God. YHVH is not objectively evil, or atleast not meant to be. Kaneko says "And when I thought about which mythology served as the basis, I concluded that it was the Old Testament. Which means YHWH, the god of the Old Testament, is the basis for all the gods around the world, from a folklorists standpoint. Now, I would like you to know that in Megaten, YHWH is not portrayed as the embodiment of evil." Although I despise YHVH, Megaten isn't black and white enough to make a single charecter objectively evil, if one were a follower of Law then he would be the embodiment of good. The Great Will isn't a creator, he isn't sentient. He is the entirety of universe. He is more akin to a force like gravity than to a god. He is responsible for everything in only the way that he is the reason humans have Observation. The Great Will in the PS2 era of MegaTen is not referring to the Axiom, it's just another name for YHVH. The Great Will is the source of reality but he also is reality it self. There is a really good explanation on the /r/megaten subreddit: /u/bunkerman "Kind of. The confusing part is that in the ps2 games yhvh is called the great will, even though in SMTII they were clearly different things, and then iva elucidates on II. However, what iva does, seemingly to rectify the ambiguity is that satan says that if you become the new god, you in a sense become the great will of the universe. That might sound like a mishmash, but I think it is consistent. Namely, that the great will / axiom is meant to be seen as both transcendent, but also immanent. It exists before / is the source of reality, but it also is reality. it is everything within reality. So if you become the god over a universe, you are in a sense monopolizing and thus "being" the great will. Because its also the underlying spiritual matrix of reality. So if you pervade all of it, you are in a sense its moderator for your reality, and thus have reason to be conflated. So yhvh isn't inherently something tied to it in a way no other demon is. That's just a contingent fact of how the universes he rules tend to be arranged. He thinks he is a unique god who needs to exist as the embodiment of divine commands or whatever, so he has even more motivation to conflate himself with it. Since what it is is a pantheistic world essence, but in monotheism the only world essence is god himself, so yhvh wants to be seen as the face of infinity. Since all gods ultimately embody literal parts of the world, and what he embodies is in a sense this universal scale, he's not so much lying as he is being ambiguous. It helps to realize the kabbalic associations in mainline. In kabbalah, the ein sof is the true essence of divinity, but nothing can be said about it. The body of god in the world is called adam kadmon, and is the highest form of god anything can be said about. But adam kadmon is a limited mode of god, not the true essence of ineffable infinity. In-game, this is how yhvh in essence thinks about himself. As the limited reflection of infinity. Its not literally true in a way unique to him, but its kind of true in a vague way that conflates his literal power over the world with the ideology he represents in which he functions in that kind of role. Of course, the great will isn't really meant to be an entity proper, whereas the ein sof kind of is, but even so. In kabbalah its not treated like one, since nothing can be said about it. This ties in to SMTI and nocturne. In SMTI lucifer calls himself a part of god that god discarded. In nocturne, they talk about fighting the great will, but lucifer drops the bomb on you that the supreme power of darkness was created by the great will. In both cases there is reason to treat this as a play on words. Namely, he is pointing out that all things, even the chaotic / dark part of reality have some of the essence of divinity in them, but the orderly part, here represented by yhvh is monopolizing divinity for itself, and cast them down. So the play on words here is that yhvh and the great will are being conflated for a specific reason. The gods aren't totally separate things from the great will, but -all- things are in essence parts of it. But how that is structured can change. Its kind of like in hinduism how everyone is part of brahman, but only shiva (and vishnu or whoever else counts depending on the form) are treated as the literal embodiments of it. Except here its playing with the ambiguity, because who monopolizes the right to conflate themself with it is not set in stone. Yhvh is in power now, but its not inherently true that he is."
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If this got officially localized in the 90s, the backlash this would have gotten might have made the series more popular.
Due to localization rules for the SNES, they'd probably have to literally rewrite the entire story to the point that it's themes and everything else is totally different. With how much it costs to localize a game back in the day, not to mention how big this game is (30+ hours!), then it'd seriously wouldn't have been worth it.
No one would have played it. Remember when they stopped localizing persona 2 innocent sin because it portrayed a gay couple (protagonist X Jun) and the Church was protesting against Atlus?
@@hornyanddepressed6805 Innocent Sin had like, no controversy whatsoever.
subscriber br as I recall, it was up to the player to decide that. The option being there is definitely something that could’ve set them off back then
@@Sneedboy In the game, Lisa confesses to you.
You can answer:
-I love you too.
-I'm in love with Maya.
-I'm in love with Jun.
-I only have eyes for Eikichi.
The first three change your relationship status.
The last one is a joke, you stay single and Lisa gets mad at you for liking Eikichi rather than her.
Damn! They dodged! Damn! They dodged! Damn! They dodged! Damn! They dodged! Damn! They dodged! Damn! They dodged!
I feel "Damn! They dodged!" today too
Damn! They dodged!
Damn! Brat that dodged!
Damn! Brat that dodged I'll sue!
Damn! Brat I'll sue!
Damn brat, I'll sue!
@@arctohru damn that's deeeeep
Isn't it great that 90s Fox News never found out about this?
It boggles my mind how this game didnt create a HUGE backlash from the religious community. I mean, summoning demons and killing God? As in YHVH THE CHRISTIAN GOD? LOL
Ferv Corsica Luckily, the early SMT games were fairly obscure over here at the time, but you raise a point. In a time when overseas games were heavily localized when the came here, I’m kinda amazed that SMT had a fairly uncensored translation.
Diamond Metal IIRC, SMT II has never been officially translated and released outside of Japan; a fan translation of the SFC version was released in 2004 though.
@Fr0zen Anguirus christians and jews worship the same god, the main difference is that the jews rejected Christ as their messiah.
Fuck the right wing religious scumbags, they're exactly what YHVH wants for everyone of his followers; blind loyalty and kill who rejects their religion
I can't believe the final boss of Shin Megami Tensei is anime Homer Simpson
Finally the true villainous ideal of our corrupt society
JOIN ME OR DIE! CAN YOU DO ANY LESS?
holy shit
Looks more like a Cromulon from Rick and Morty.
*D O H!*
*Homer Simpson let out his voice!*
*Bart died.*
Only in Shin Megami Tensei can a normal dude just... punch and kick and shoot God until he dies.
May Madisson Yeah most of the protagonists are special from any normal human definitely because they can summon demons.
@Canal do K Except for SMT 1 dude and Nakajima, they were all regular people, lol. And Nakajima couldn't even use guns.
@Canal do K Hm, i didn't know that. I thought it was just Yumiko that was the reincarnation of a deity, that being Izanami, and that allowed her to use magic. But then again, i only watched the OVA and played MegaTen 1 once a long time ago, so correct me if i'm wrong.
Don't forget Flynn, SMT 1 MC and Human Demi-Fiend.
Nakajima is a reincarnation of Izanagi,
Kazuya is implied to be a reincarnation of Adan,
Aleph is the messiah, i think so.
Naoki was just an average human that liked games and occultisn.
And Flynn is another messiah.
So Hitoshura was the most normal from the start i think..
Edit: curiously all those special humans could summon demons only thanks to technology.
While Hitoshura, being turned half demon, could naturally get along with demons.
"Ye accursed ones. Playing with the lives of so many."
Oh, that's rich, God.
True; in these games, both chaos and law are flawed, hence the existence of Neutral; that, and Satan ends up being the more sympathetic one most of the time, with YHWH or whatever the ruler of Law is not willing to give any freedom to anyone.
K1naku5ana3R1ka considering the concept of god, satan will always end up being more benevolent than god.
"The cycle has always been under your complete control, but ends now!"
Oh how wrong you were, Lu...
Pure Law is Gods Dictatorship no free will what so ever just order so no individuals no more just all 1 consciousness a system this is pure good yes but its disgustingly boring.
Pure Chaos is Darwinian Demonic rule of power lots of free wills that can choose to fight each other for power, they might be bloodthirsty or not who knows every individual is different.
Chaos is better than Law as you can see since freedom is improvised there. Or neutral. Those are the freest. Law is where the least harm happens but at the cost all individual freedom & will.
To me absolute law is the true evil. So fuck god. Everyone must be in control of their own lives, does this produces chaos as a result? disorder? evil? sure. sometimes. but so be it thats what is interesting about living conscious beings. That they are all different, unique & sometimes even disagree or agree with each other because of their personalities, egos & wills.
The interesting vs the uninteresting I see all things that way. No good, no evil, no law, no chaos.
The Oblivion Lord if god were to exist in our world he’d be a dick too don’t worry
>literally God
>"but other than that, he's not very tough"
:/
Citizen 17 It would be weird, though in hindsight it's been revealed that the SMT version of YHVH isn't literally God but a mad computer construct that the real God hates because it's making Him look bad, so i guess it's weirdly appropriate
TARINunit9 For this one yeah. The one you fight in 4 though is very much real and he is hard as hell.
In smt 4 apocalypse he's much tougher...
TARINunit9 Where the fuck did you even get that from? These aren’t computers, YHVH is a spiritual being, the God of Abraham.
@@Xeper616 Sorry for the confusion. But, the original creator of SMT never necessarily intended to make it seem as if YHVH was truly a bad guy. Hence, what Tarin means by the mad computer construct. It is just a program designed to make him look bad. It's powerful, but not real.
Thanks to smtiv final, we know how to pronounce YHVH.
it's Yahweh, YHWH for short.
In the game the characters pronounce it in a impossible way. It's sounds like scratching a record. I wonder why they did that instead of pronouncing it normally.
i think there are a few possible reasons.
1) they don't wish to get in trouble with christians. (real life, i mean.)
2) His name is far too grand for the characters understanding.
maybe someone else can provide a more logical reasoning.
I believe it sounds that way in Apocalypse because YHVH is debated on its pronouncation of the tetragrammaton. Yahweh, Jehovah, stuff like that. Also, people used Adonai "My Lord" because pronouncing God's name is sacred. That's my reasoning behind it. :P
To bad the game absolutely butchered both his character and a good chunk of the SMT universe as well.
Also, we learned how to pronounce it from Devil Survivor.
YHVH: "Thy blades canst not even scratch me, feel the wrath of my divine lightning, and plummet into the bowels of Hell, burning in its unending flames!"
also YHVH: "Its just a prank bro, stop wait its a prank"
It stops being a prank when divine retribution comes out
Pro tip:
Have a low intelligence demon in your party revived as Undead to eat all the instant kills.
For this to work you need to level up Hiroko untill she learns Necroma.
Another pro tip:
Throughout the game always open the golden chests on a full moon to have Alice appear.
It is the easiest way to get an overkill weapon for Hiroko very early.
"I don't fight for Demons. I don't fight for Gods. I fight for Man!"
I wonder if that would be a cool line?
EmptyMan000 Humanity. If you say “I fight for man” it would sound odd.
fuck humanity
OP #1 edgy
sounds like crap they put in a religius satirical action blockbuster that is not even a good one
Nero Redivivus Shut up
I AM *GOD* AND YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!"
As a catholic, some people need to calm down. This is just a character made by some Japanese people in the 90s that is loosely based on the lord, all as a vehicle to explore different philosophies. It’s not an attack against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or any other religion. It’s a fictional story set in a fictional world that explores fictional characters and events. You don’t need to defend God’s honor against a video game, frankly I don’t believe He cares about any of this. It’s just a game.
Finally someone with brain
as a Muslim, thank you for this.
And like, i see smt have pretty respect of those religions, even minor ones like hinduism
Creator of SMT said that YHVH being evil is a symptom of something being deeply, deeply wrong with the universe itself
And that YHVH is essentially the Demiurge from Gnosticism
@@petry491 Hinduism has over a billion followers, that's not minor by any stretch of the imagination.
Nintendo of America would blow a fucking eye out of its socket if they saw this back then.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if their offices had an internal embargo on the SMT series back then lol
Shin Megami Tensei II - the only game where you can meet God... and beat the shit out of him.
You'll get the chance to do so again in SMT IV Final
+Genesis XV lmao there are some religious peeps attacking it already
and after that... he punishes you in a cycle of death and rebirth for the rest of eternity...
Shin Megami Tensei 1, 2, 4 and SMT IV: Final are the only ones I like in the original series.
an undamaged ego YHVH yes but SMT4 Final is step below this as a straight up fight.
3:25-3:54 - YVHV, STOP SINGING OPERA AT ME!
Shin Megami Tensei has sure come a long way since this game. Look at Nocturne, Devil Survivor, Persona.
I mean, where's the strategy here? No Press Turn system in this game, and I don't see any healing, buffing, enemy weaknesses; it's pretty much spamming attack and resurrecting anyone who gets killed. Far cry from modern SMT.
+K1naku5ana3R1ka There were buffs, I used tarukaja on Aelph several times to buff him, and healed a few times too. The problem is that he spammed an instant kill attack constantly, so there's not much you can do but keep reviving and attack. There's no point wasting time buffing anyone else because he will probably just kill them instantly the next turn anyways. Not every fight is like this.
+Assembly of Nihilo Do pardon me if I am being quick to judge the series from one video, but you can agree that SMT has come a long way since this. I mean, the first two games didn't even have the Press Turn system, one of the most fundamental things in later SMT games! This game also seems somewhat more... abstract (can't think of a better word), with how your party characters aren't given sprites, but only names (even Strange Journey showed sprites for your demons!), and the attacks are given minimal animation. Granted, some of the later games lost some of these (Persona dropped the Press Turn system, for one), but these also tended to change things in other, more radical ways (Persona had the Personas be assistants to your party rather than the party itself, Devil Survivor added in TBS elements, with a weird version of the Press Turn system and such, and Digital Devil Saga has no demon fusion system at all!), but the point stands that SMTI is a far cry from the rest of the series.
+K1naku5ana3R1ka Maybe because these are some of the first games in the series...
+K1naku5ana3R1ka Shin Megami Tensei II is my favorite game of all time, hands down. I have played every Shin Megami game, and not only does it beat out those, but every other JRPG I've played.
When Aleph dies (and he will die), there will no more guardians of this world. When that happens YHVH *will* return and remake this world into the one we know of in Nocturne. And Aleph will be forced into an endless cycle of death and rebirth. Only the Demi-fiend will have saved him, with the death of Kagutsuchi will he truly be free to return to his mother and friends.
isn't YHVH killed in a more permament manner (kinda) in smt iv apocalypse
@@zaqareemalcolm You can kill YHVH, but people believing in it brings YHWH back eventually, and Nanashi kind of becomes the new YHVH in the Massacre route (but I think the Bonds route was canon last I checked)
I think according to Nocturne that Nocturne is a different universe.
zaqareemalcolm The only things that can truly destroy YHVH are Stephen and the Axiom. They have the power to erase him from all universes and timelines, but I guess they just don’t want to.
@@yaboi2500 what is stephen job anyway? Axiom's agent?
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"Thy blades canst not even scratch me."
Bet
in older games, he'd fully recover
@@christopherbravo1813 the only older game you fight him is Megami Tensei 2 and he's even more of a bitch than he is here.
@@CloudyDaze oh, he's been in more games than that one.
He's been in 20XX as well.
What is a god to a non believer anyway? Everything that has a conciousness is living & all living can die. So I become the god slayer. Creative freedom itself.
God is God. saying He doesn't exist won't change that. you literally CANNOT erase Him with words alone.
YHVH talks without lungs.
shinquickman Given that YHVH is a talking golden head who created the universe, he can defy the laws of his own universe. Thus, no lungs.
And no body either until he gets downgraded to a demon in Apocalypse.
it's-a-me, THE FLOATING DISEMBODIED HEAD OF god
Wow. So the Archangel theme from IV came from here. That's awesome.
This is the law theme throughout the game
Also from the law theme in 1.
Aw, forget the other battle themes! This is where it's at. Just several melodies repeated over and over again.
They probably thought the angelic choir sounded epic.
Can't believe that Jesus is fighting fake God
Maybe this had been said before, but the music that plays at the start (when you face yhvh) sounds similar to the start of the archangel battle theme in smt iv
Clearly SMT IV took inspiration from this entry, remember that Atlus kinda went to the roots with smt iv
You killed God. Nice job, there.
Nothing new for RPGs. Happens all the time. Hell, it happened at least 5 times in Final Fantasy.
@@xGimpyx that's not a god, that's THE god
now the universe is screwed
Which games did that happen
@@christopherbravo1813 have you ever played SMT?
When I fought him he wasted so many turns assuming a "battle stance" (how? he's literally just a head) that it wasn't even funny.
He's like one of those actors that try to get their "good side" on camera and keep adjusting the angles and positions of their faces.
Dude lol. I have to say as a person who believes in God I can still find enjoyment in these kind of games.
Religious people shouldn't really take this as an offense. I found that these kind of things help and make you more opened minded. You can still destroy a representation of God in a game and have fun because it's just that, a game.
Anyways I like this game.
Cheers. I'll drink to that, bro.
@Cool Dude Does that make Stephen the Jesus of SMT?
@@lacreatura4737 more like moses. Jesus is protagonist, also named Messiah
@@Stephen-vq1wc Or the holy spirit.
@@TheMetastasia and that right! You are winner. Your prize is devip summoner program or comp, wait in August
It's hard to believe someone wrote this in the fucking 90's sometimes
Well I don't doubt this. The 90's were pretty wild.
nothing amazing actually, japan always didn't give a shit about western culture and morality, and making a game where you can fight alongside demons was just interesting to them, not even thinking about how the west would react because they didn't care
Damn, they dodged
I fucking love this game.
Archangel theme from SMT4-4A comes from here and SMT1.
Don't forget to check out Megami Tensei 1&2 (SNES translation of the original NES games, not "SHIN") The guy has his own website, and did a great job on them.
This Homer Simpson look alike bloke isn't the YHVH I know
Jacob J The fact that your little is piterally canon (YHVH isn't the rel God after all in the fourth game) makes it all the better
But he's greenish a bit. This is what the heads in Action 52's Nonhuman look like without the shades.
DaMn ThEy DoDgEd
Dodged thEY DAMN
Demonic Mudkip doDgeD dAMn thEy
Dame dame
@@smithwimm1575 Dame da ne
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If God was offended by this he would simply not allow it to exist.
Really wish we could get SMT and SMTII on handheld virtual console
+Mykroe1 I wonder how likely it is. A lot of the older games have been re-released in the West, but I think SMTII is the only game where you can kill the Judeo/Christian/Islamic God. That might piss some people off. I want to see it too, though.
+Siegfried Kircheis Actually the Islamic God is different and he isn't named YHVH either
+MetalSnakeXIII don't tell the Muslims he's different, because they sure seem to think he's the same guy. And they don't call him YHVH/YHWH, but that's a Hebrew term, so they wouldn't anyway.
Keep in mind that the series is mostly centered in Japan and in Japan Islam isn't as common as in other regions in Asia
kevin rianto Actually no,YHVH is not the Islamic God,the Islamic God is called Allah and his description in the Qu'ran(assuming you read a proper translation for it) is the complete opposite of YHVH.
Also,SMT2 is no longer the only game where you can kill YHVH
With the series of SMT; this gives alot of reasons why Lucifer wanted to overthrow YHVH.
There are alot of fedora tippers in this comment section.
If you go on the Law route you're pretty much exorcising a false idol for the sake of the actual God, the Great Will. Isn't that the most christian plot to a JRPG ever?
Welcome to SMT, the games are great, the plots are amazing but the fanbase sucks
@@2deep5u except the Christian God is the one being declared false and killed.
@@christopherbravo1813 Nope and nope. Read Kaneko's interviews. YHWH is like Odin/Zeus/Ba'al/Indra/every male supreme deity rolled into one. He's an archetype, not a concrete god, it just so happens that YHWH is the most famous of the bunch.
@@2deep5u but Odin, Zeus, Baal, Indra, and all the other male deities already exist, and practically none of them serve YHVH.
God this fight was designed to be unwinnable, I swear. It's like his monumental avoid and massive HP compound with his defense to make this impossible.
Well, what are you fighting is the literal God. It would be sucks if he dies easily
Late reply but did you skip all the random battles? You should have way more than enough levels to beat this guy easily by that point in the game.
@@officegossipPretty annoying fight if you don’t have a demon that takes a percentage of his HP like Shiva or Anubis
the SMT developers had the old/new testament god down to a "T" his personality is exactly how i would imagine it.
God is actually more of an evil bastard in the bible than he is in this game. I mean come on, is a benevolent and graceful lord the same guy who says “Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock” (ie, I will bless you if you smash your baby against a rock).
@@tibiafibiafie that was a test, also the Bible was written at a time where what we see as socially acceptable was completely different
Black Frost ah yes forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist is just a “different culture” thing
Sock it was what it was. That’s all he’s trying to say. Of course it would seem fucked by our standards. And I’m sure we’d seem fucked by theirs.
@@sock312 when this happens?
I’m happy this series wasn’t localized until later on
Beating this game on a cart was a somewhat cathartic experience since I was maltheistic back then.
maltheistic? what's that?
@@christopherbravo1813 Maltheism is what happens when whatever scriptures convinced most atheists that gods aren't real ends up convincing you that they're evil instead, but without the realization that they probably aren't real. The realization that I've never actually perceived compelling evidence of the existence of the supernatural before unfortunately didn't hit until 2 or 3 years later.
@@jonm3427 well, faith isn't supposed to be based on evidence.
God only dies when you stop worshipping him
erm, no. God doesn't need worship. He'd be sad if you didn't yeah, but He wouldn't die.
@@christopherbravo1813 Christopher you need to let go. We're talking about a videogame. Its great to have beliefs but please, no where in the bible does god say to be a cringe lord in the comments
@@anenemystand5582 I wasn't aware that exercising the First Amendment was considered "cringe", you Fascist.
@@christopherbravo1813 oh I'm sorry. Do I have some government ordained power to get you to shut up or did I simply use my first amendment power to criticize your religious beliefs? I mean you do no the first amendment protects you from the government, not criticism
@@anenemystand5582 I never said that you couldn't criticize me. I'm saying that you don't get to decide what I can and can't say in a youtube comments section-especially one of a video about a game that attacks my beliefs.
What’s with Japan having God as the evil main antagonist in their media?
bryan c Excuse me?
I dont know. But I really like it.
@@bryanc7094 what the hell man he juat asked a question.
The concept is cool until its getting bloated by the recent isekai stories.
Also, wtf is wrong with the asshole that is the firdt first reply!?
Apparently, it has to do with Japan having a major aversion of Christianity during the Tokugawa Shogunate from the 1600s to the 1800's.
He's the angriest head you've ever heard!
Bro everyone hit for like 100 - 30 damage. While shiva alone praying and deal for about 3k - 4,5k damage. talk about how op shiva is 😨
The skill called DIVINE used by SHIVA is a skill that deals 1/4 damage of the enemy's current HP.
To be honest, this game is famous as a masterpiece in Japan, but the combat balance is not very good.
Just learned that YHVH is actually the Hebrew name of "God". It's pronounced "Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey".
on spanish is pronounced Yal-da-ba-ot
@@donbototo5068 in spanish we call it yahvé
@@donbototo5068 yaldabaot is the demiurge's name in gnosticism
Yup, name of demiurgos, an emanation of Sophia.
In indonesia we call it "yahweh"
I think is a good thing smt have a small fanbase
I am Oz!
my man could you upload your savefile
arch angel theme came from here?!
海外の人の動画だと当然ながら宗教の話が多い
真・女神転生Ⅴでも宗教とポリコレ真っ向から立ち向かったATLASは最高
thank god for divine retribution man, else i'd been like hours to beat this fucker
I swear this song plays in IV
Well considering *record scratch* is the main antagonist of IV...
This song was remixed in SMT IV Apocalypse (YHVH Universe)
music still slaps tho...
Correction: YHVH is the Judeo-Christian interpretation of The Abrahamic God under Old Testament Context within the Shin Megami Tensei Universe where Judaic Henotheism is the main driving focus that is supported through Christianity and Islam within the in-game Universe. If it were to also be based off of the Islamic interpretation within the Shin Megami Tensei Universe, then Angels are genderless sentient robots with no free will, Demons are their own radically separate class of supernatural creatures known as Jinns who have Free Will apart from Angels and not considered a rank you earn as “Fallen Creation”, and oh yeah The Abrahamic God is unimaginable/incomprehensible. Nothing is like unto Him is what the Quranic verse 42:11 dictates about WHAT The God of Abraham truly IS.
Basically what I’m trying to say is that YHVH represented as a Giant Yellow Patrick Stewart within the Shin Megami Tensei Universe through the limited scope of Human Imagination can’t be The Abrahamic God.
exactly! also, despite everyone saying otherwise, the angels in SMT do in fact have free will.
This is EXACTLY what Garth Ennis thinks God is
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Actually, this game's YHVH is accurate; this really is Satan for Yahweh is satan. I cant believe that im witnessing a video game thats naming all demons, fighting against each other.
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Couldn't God just speak you out of existence? Or have like infinite HP?
He's not as omnipotent as he likes to make out.
Good point. Why else would evil exist?
Maybe the party were fighting him on the back of iron chariots? (Judges 1:19)
Do YOU want to fight an unbeatable boss and have to win to beat the game?
Im sure one of the SMT games revealed that YHWH lost on purpose.
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I'm curious as to how religious people view SMT
well this comment section is perfect for you, the whole reddit gang is here
@@Richter451 lol
Well, as a religious person (Roman Catholic Christian) I myself was not offended.
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How can I play this game?
Emulator is the most common and easiest way. Just look up an emulator and download it. Then download a rom on a website. Just make sure you download the emulator and rom from a trustworthy website or your device could catch malware.
Roman Dass But I dont have an ipod/iphone :(
@@chinezeFURY late comment but you don't need iPhone or iPad to play emulator games. Simple pc or Android will work
@@chinezeFURY you do need to play the IOS version, just get a SNES emulator and the SNES version of this game.
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Yo, I'll say this, I had a shit time trying to beat this boss because it kept crashing or overflows happen.
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Love the game, but fuck this boss man.
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Why does YHVH look like he's trying to bite you?
That’s because he is
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YHWH, Yahweh, Yah, Jah, Jehovah, is actually an Egyptian moon deity who became Osiris and doesn't mean "I AM That I Am." In Hebrew "I Am That I AM" is actually "Ahih Asr Ahih."
+ThatGuy Osiris had nothing to do with the moon and "Ahih Asr Ahih" is Arabic not Hebrew.
+More Hero (MorHero) "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" is "I Am That I Am" in Hebrew. I AM does just fine too. So too does Jehova & Yehoshua. Yeshua = son of YEhoSHUA.
But if people are confused over what name to call him, he/it knows this full well to be inevitable. So just as long as you know you're talking about The God of Abraham when you pray you're good to go. Or even just Almighty One, or Most High.
John Smith Equating Osiris the "moon god" with Yahweh was just ignorant. Maybe Amun or Ra (definitely Aten) but not Osiris.
There is nothing connecting Osris and Judeo-Christian religion. I would like a source text for your comment. The Judaic Torah is written has section in Aramic, but there is no text stating "Ahih Asr Ahih" for Osiris.
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this game made me an atheist
Lmao XD
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This game made me Christian...
this game made me a sandwich
+Yukari - Sama haha, same.
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I'm a Christian and I don't find this offensive, but I do fid this part of the game silly and frankly a let-down. Still a great game though, one of the better SMT games even after the others
The SMT games have there own mythos that takes from several believes and religions. YHVH here while seams to be the Christian God is much more inspired by the Demiurge from Gnostic texts. While the Great Will is what we would call the actual God of the universe.
Guciom The Great Will isn't the Judeo-Christian God, he's a pantheistic god, think like Spinoza's god, the Brahman of the Hindus, or the All of the Hermetics. As for the Demiurge, he is a separate demon which appears in the franchise.
DevilBuster Kaz The Great Will isn't the god of the Bible though, as I already explained he's a pantheistic god, he is the universe. If you equate the Great Will to your God then you are factually wrong, unless you all the sudden have converted to any one of the pantheistic religions I have mentioned above. He is not the God of the Covenant, nor the God of Jesus, that is YHVH. The gnostic Demiurge differs from YHVH in that the Gnostics believed that the Supreme God was the New Testament God while the Old Testament God of the Covenant was a separate one, the Demiurge. YHVH in SMT is both, much like the Christian God. He IS the Christian God.
We are literally arguing semantics though as I and the rest of the people on this thread are arguing the "meaning" (for a lack of a better word) of YHVH and his role in the franchise.
YHVH does not take inspiration from any sources that are not mainstream Judeo-Christian other than Kabbalah (Jewish Mysticism) and other Abrahamic beleif systems. The point being that YHVH is an exclusively Abrahamic God.
YHVH is not objectively evil, or atleast not meant to be. Kaneko says "And when I thought about which mythology served as the basis, I concluded that it was the Old Testament. Which means YHWH, the god of the Old Testament, is the basis for all the gods around the world, from a folklorists standpoint. Now, I would like you to know that in Megaten, YHWH is not portrayed as the embodiment of evil." Although I despise YHVH, Megaten isn't black and white enough to make a single charecter objectively evil, if one were a follower of Law then he would be the embodiment of good.
The Great Will isn't a creator, he isn't sentient. He is the entirety of universe. He is more akin to a force like gravity than to a god. He is responsible for everything in only the way that he is the reason humans have Observation. The Great Will in the PS2 era of MegaTen is not referring to the Axiom, it's just another name for YHVH. The Great Will is the source of reality but he also is reality it self. There is a really good explanation on the /r/megaten subreddit: /u/bunkerman "Kind of. The confusing part is that in the ps2 games yhvh is called the great will, even though in SMTII they were clearly different things, and then iva elucidates on II. However, what iva does, seemingly to rectify the ambiguity is that satan says that if you become the new god, you in a sense become the great will of the universe.
That might sound like a mishmash, but I think it is consistent. Namely, that the great will / axiom is meant to be seen as both transcendent, but also immanent. It exists before / is the source of reality, but it also is reality. it is everything within reality. So if you become the god over a universe, you are in a sense monopolizing and thus "being" the great will. Because its also the underlying spiritual matrix of reality. So if you pervade all of it, you are in a sense its moderator for your reality, and thus have reason to be conflated.
So yhvh isn't inherently something tied to it in a way no other demon is. That's just a contingent fact of how the universes he rules tend to be arranged. He thinks he is a unique god who needs to exist as the embodiment of divine commands or whatever, so he has even more motivation to conflate himself with it. Since what it is is a pantheistic world essence, but in monotheism the only world essence is god himself, so yhvh wants to be seen as the face of infinity. Since all gods ultimately embody literal parts of the world, and what he embodies is in a sense this universal scale, he's not so much lying as he is being ambiguous.
It helps to realize the kabbalic associations in mainline. In kabbalah, the ein sof is the true essence of divinity, but nothing can be said about it. The body of god in the world is called adam kadmon, and is the highest form of god anything can be said about. But adam kadmon is a limited mode of god, not the true essence of ineffable infinity. In-game, this is how yhvh in essence thinks about himself. As the limited reflection of infinity. Its not literally true in a way unique to him, but its kind of true in a vague way that conflates his literal power over the world with the ideology he represents in which he functions in that kind of role. Of course, the great will isn't really meant to be an entity proper, whereas the ein sof kind of is, but even so. In kabbalah its not treated like one, since nothing can be said about it.
This ties in to SMTI and nocturne. In SMTI lucifer calls himself a part of god that god discarded. In nocturne, they talk about fighting the great will, but lucifer drops the bomb on you that the supreme power of darkness was created by the great will. In both cases there is reason to treat this as a play on words. Namely, he is pointing out that all things, even the chaotic / dark part of reality have some of the essence of divinity in them, but the orderly part, here represented by yhvh is monopolizing divinity for itself, and cast them down.
So the play on words here is that yhvh and the great will are being conflated for a specific reason. The gods aren't totally separate things from the great will, but -all- things are in essence parts of it. But how that is structured can change. Its kind of like in hinduism how everyone is part of brahman, but only shiva (and vishnu or whoever else counts depending on the form) are treated as the literal embodiments of it. Except here its playing with the ambiguity, because who monopolizes the right to conflate themself with it is not set in stone. Yhvh is in power now, but its not inherently true that he is."
@@Xeper616 So, the great will is basically the force from Star Wars?
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Why the translation of this game is in 10th-15th century english through?
Because it's the pathos of god.
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