Who is Ruth Paine? How was she involved with Lee Harvey Oswald and JFK?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Ruth Paine was a friend of Marina Oswald, wife of Lee Harvey Oswald, who was living with her at the time of the JFK assassination. According to four government investigations, Lee Harvey Oswald stored the 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle that he used to assassinate U.S. President John F. Kennedy in Ruth Paine's garage, unbeknownst to her and her husband, Michael Paine.
This is the "official" story but is there more to her involvement?
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Editor's Note:
Werner von Braun and Slave Labor at Dora - Mittelbau Camp
The Dora-Mittelbau camp was originally a subcamp of Buchenwald. Allied air raids on German industrial complexes pushed Nazi authorities to use concentration camp prisoners to construct underground tunnels to house factories and development facilities for the V-2 missile program and other experimental weapons. In October 1944, the SS made Dora-Mittelbau an independent concentration camp with more than 30 subcamps of its own. The secret, underground portion of the factory complex was operated by using a slave labor force of concentration camp prisoners. The prisoners were forced to construct the rockets along an improvised assembly line made of railroad tracks. The mortality rate was higher than at most other concentration camps. Many of the prisoners were massacred by the Germans as they camp was evacuated in the spring of 1945. The camp was liberated by American forces in April. Chester Boone was a 2nd Lieutenant in the United States Army detachment that took command of the factory after the liberation. Chester’s group oversaw the removal of the 120 remaining V-2 rockets and the preliminary dismantling of the factory for six months, until it came under Soviet control, with the postwar partition of Germany between allied forces.
The inmates at Dora-Mittelbau were treated in a brutal and inhumane manner, working 14-hour days and being denied access to basic hygiene, beds, and adequate rations. Around one in three of the roughly 60,000 prisoners who were sent to Dora-Mittelbau died.
At the end of 1943, the Dora work squads had "the highest death rate in the entire concentration camp system".
For more on Holocaust Child Slave Labor see this: networks.h-net.org/node/6088/discussions/3294091/jewish-child-forced-labourers-1938-1945
On the link at the bottom, At 18:00 he announced the lawyer's name that Oswald wanted on live national tv at the jail. Even on national tv, Oswald's lawyer could not be found. Can you believe the baloney that the lawyer cant be found. Or do you believe he was found & told not to come. Click next link. ua-cam.com/video/RpR4y0Q39DU/v-deo.html
I happen to see this in my feed! I enjoyed this episode so much, I obviously hit that sub button. I have not heard of either of you but you both have a new fan!!! I’m now about to look into your guest and if he has books!
My father was a black soldier who actually helped liberate some of those concentration camp prisoners in WW2. Ironically, when he came HOME from the war he went to work for an aircraft defense contractor named FAIRCHILD HILLER. That company's President was WERNER VON BRAUN. Yep, my father ended up working for a Nazi. You can't make this stuff up.
I think Ruth Paine is a nice lady.
My graduate school program director at University of Minnesota bragged in our graduate program newsletter that his "personal mentor" was Werner von Braun. So I pointed out in my University op-ed for the MN Daily that Werner von Braun had personally supervised mass slave labor. So this professor Art Harkin emailed me stating only, "I will personally make sure you are never published in MN Daily again." Strangely he co-organized a JFK assassination conference with U of MN Professor Jim Fetzer (they both were director of Liberal Studies graduate program, Fetzer in Duluth and Harkin in Twin Cities). Peter Dale Scott attended that JFK conference and told me that he and a group of others had to disown Fetzer since the disinfo at that conference was too strong. Dale Scott also told me that "I would be careful if I was you."
This is the greatest JFK assassination channel on the internet! Keep going 💪
"Only the shadow knows: Prayer-man" is better.
Mark is the glitter, and Eric is the engine room.
@@JuliaSugarbaker Julia you're not making any sense....
@@robertdore9592glitter? More like Elmers glue
Both shocking, sickening and hilarious in one go!
The strangest part of Oswalds hit is that everyone in that film has a dark suit on except the guy who is handcuffed to Oswald. It’s like make sure you don’t hit me.
Yep, and he was also standing off to the side, not in front of Oswald, to block any potential shooters. Plus the car horn which goes off twice(signal?), and the policeman,(Fritz?), who doesn't even flinch when the gun goes off behind him.
I heard an interview with that cop who joked about how he hopes the guy who shoots Oswald has as good as shot as him..
All the major perpetrators had connections with the Dallas PD. Ruby, Ferrie, LBJ, the drunk hungover Secret Service bums, the Mob, the CIA.
No I'm sure he knew people would be looking at those pictures for the next two hundred years even if oswald wouldn't have been shot
Great observation
Don’t forget that a Minox camera back in the 1960’s was around 1200 dollars, an insane amount of money for somebody who was an “unskilled” worker.
also it only has a 4 digit serial number not 5, 5 were for public sale 4 were specifically for government agents
Yep, another little dot for the sheep to defy.
It was Ruth Paine's camera.
Two cameras though no one could verify the ownership of either unit. Which of you would store your weaponry in someone else's garage? Have you, would you?
I'd love to here your take on Dorothy Kilgallen and her intense investigation into the assassination and her mysterious death
Dorothy told the wrong person about the information she had about the JFK assassination it was the last person she was with the night she was murdered
“I’d love to hear “
Yes. What's up with that? What's up with that?
There is nothing up with her
@@nkozma79 There are lectures on UA-cam about Ms. Kilgallen...she had information about the assassination that led to her death.
Look how close Micheal Paine resembled Lee Oswald. Maybe he was the Oswald impersonator who was going around Dallas in the days and weeks
Leading up the Assassination? Who knows,he could have been doing all the dirty work on November 22,1963?
that's what i think. it's him posing in the garden with the rifle photograph certainly.
An hour an a half already?? I could sit here for hours listening to you two talk ... always so so interesting. 👍👍
For History buffs and specially JFK fanaticos this is the BEST channel!
David Talbot's book "The Devil's Chessboard" was a jaw-dropping read all right. Sadly, as I needed space, I gave this huge tome away- and regret it as it deserves to be read multiple times as its content is just so incredible. Another great episode and more to come!
ua-cam.com/video/0wsHn4KWdMA/v-deo.html
Great book. WhilecDulles didn’t order the assassination, it appears he ran the op from The Farm in Virginia and stayed there all weekend ensuring as many loose ends as possible were tied up.
@@stddisclaimer8020 something an agent would say lol Dulles is all over the assignation
@@stddisclaimer8020 if Dulles and James angleton had a child it be you lol
@@stddisclaimer8020 Johnson picked the WC committee
I want a whole month to go camping with you two and Viva+Barnes. Just to listen to all the knowledge your two channels have in those incredible brains.
Sitting around a camp fire listening to their stories!👍❤👍👌 I am in! Lol
Great podcast!
Ruth darling is the consummate clandestine actress! She's well rehearsed and never sways from her cheerleading script despite all the revealed coincidences, circumstantial evidence and family background. She has trouble hiding that dour glare and punctuates her displeasure with sardonic laughter. She's guilty as hell!!
Max Good's documentary is excellent!!
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I see you've decided to infest this channel and make the same moronic and baseless assertions as you do on others.
Ladies and gents meet "Std Disclaimer", troll par excellence!
Std standing for sexually transmitted disease of course because this guy/gal (or both) has gonorrhea of the mouth when it comes to spewing lone-nutter invective.
Can't debate or back anything up. Just here to harangue, regurgitate and get attention.
@@stddisclaimer8020 are you saying Oswald had not been deceived by Ruth? No one believed it to be Oswald till Ruth Paine told on him. He walked freely through Dallas afterwards. Twice cleared by police. Meanwhile over 10 people were arrested for JFK Assassination. Real assassins caught! If Ruth was innocent why was Time/Life coming over in the middle of the night? Only Dallas residence believe they got away with it. The rest of the world blames Dallas for 11.22.1963 coup D'eta
@@stddisclaimer8020 the dallas police said paine noted that oswald kept a rifle in the garage of her house, she told the WRC she had no idea it was there. seems like consistancy isnt her strong suit after all. if you dismiss a character based on bias while excusing the same traits in characters who you choose to believe , thats engaging in propoganda and not discussion which seems to be your consistant m.o.
@@simonjames1604 When did she tell the Dallas police that Oswald kept a rifle in her garage? If it was after the assassination she isn't lying, she's saying Oswald kept a rifle in her garage but she didn't know at the time. If she told them before the assassination then obviously it's fishy.
@@Veaseify according to the dallas police she said there was one in the garage when they showed up to investigate the house, THEN later she testified she had no idea there was one in the garage to the WR. her WRC reads like fiction.
For the life of me, I don't get why you guys don't have more subscribers! Then again, it's only been about a year since the channel launch and with the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination rapidly approaching, I expect your subscription numbers to grow exponentially! I started with the oldest posts and am working towards the most recent. Gotta say, I've never seen such an informative podcast with a laid back, friendly backdrop; I love you guys!
This came on my list about jfk/lbj
& subscribed yesterday 😃✔️
So true. Mark is like a friggin' computer mind!
This channel is promoting nutty conspiracy nonsense
They dont always get things right, and surely doesnt have room to be making fun of others looks, or names.
@@TELEVISIONARCHIVESHAAH HAHAHAHAAA!! And YOU weren't even born by November 22nd, 1963 😂😂😂
Restore the Ruth Paine Bel Air station wagon and put a " JFK in '64 " bumper sticker on it .
In the Spirit of the memory of those whose demise you've covered I have to commend you in that you really have a way of putting the material in a very engaging fashion which will bring more eyes to the topic. Great work!!
The rifle that was allegedly found on the 6th floor was incapable of firing the rounds that were found in JFK’s limousine
There goes Aaron again.
Claim: “You can easily fire the Carcano Rifle 3X accurately in 6 (or 5.6) seconds!”
Nov 22, 1963 Carcano real Rifle Timing
Fact: Both men were wounded in less time (1.5 sec) than it took to fire the rifle twice (2.3 sec). And also the last two shots were right on top of each other (0.7 sec). So that would be:
Bang_1.5sec_Bang_0.7sec_Bang
Don't think any bolt action can fire that fast.
What’s curious…is why Oswald’s mother separated from Marina after their stay together at 6 flags (after the assassination). Did Oswald’s mother just stop caring about her supposed grandchildren? Or were they never her grandchildren in the first place.
Looking at Michael Paine .. we now know who Oswald's double was ...
Thank you so much for this episode! I learned so much as always! I've seen Ruth Paine give talks/interviews and she can be so convincing. Thanks again Mark and Eric!
She's well rehearsed. She's been doing this one-woman show for 60 years! MG
Water off a duck for most Eves , " the Apple, oh, a snake said I could have it."
Really?
@@aaronsmith5433 the Internet strikes again 🙄
She was/is a CIA operative. Spoke fluent Russian.
I work in EMS and the Oswald theory is very strong with veteran LEO. I’ve ran across several that are completely convinced and will not even entertain anything else. In one instance the “captain” stated he had sat in on a lecture from a previous FBI agent that gave irrefutable evidence it was Oswald alone…. The force is strong with the “ good ol’ boys club”!
That may be the case, but as we see today many people don't want to believe their government is full of scumbag actors.
There literally isn’t a single piece of evidence that’s irrefutable. Nothing.
0 pic 0 video that shows Oswald shoot anyone... If there was it was confiscated an destroyed. Many researchers who talked to witnesses just about confirm by common sense there was more than 1 shooter.
I’m fifteen minutes into this and leaving even more responses and periodically listening with my mouth and eyes open. Wow. This is startling.
Having YOU guys fill in holes in OSWALD case gives me so much for investigating at your expense and time
First time watcher but Red Pilled in 1985. So much makes perfect sense now. I just shared it with my boyfriend who’s listening in the car on his way home now. Thank you and keep it coming👍🏻🇺🇸
Dudes, I recently found you. I'm a 62 year old white boomer and quit reading and watching fiction when the plandemic hit. I'm eating you guys. My first memories of life were people crying in front of a black and white TV and it went downhill from there. Keep up the awesome message and I will send $$ with love and blessings.
Thanks so much for the Paine episode. Can’t wait to hear what other conspiracies regarding the oswald story. There are many I know!! All the best to you two, I just love you guys
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aint it amazing there are US. citizens, who vote, that still believe the Warren Commission was legit?
Listen to the facts from many sources...and arrive at your own conclusion.
People don't understand just how weird it would have been for a family to have 3 cars in 1963. Then, the reason you have one is to teach your buddy how to drive!?
Lukea, Exactly. Plus In the 1940's most families only had ONE car, which the father used to drive to work. Plus when I was a kid in the 1970's most families just had 2 cars at most. You were lucky if your mom and dad BOTH had a car.
@@sonnycorleone3251 Hey Sonny! Nice to see you're doing alright heard you had some trouble at a toll booth or somethin. Most families didn't have 2 tvs nevermind 2 cars. You know their neighbors must have wondered about them. I wish I could talk to the neighbors.
So true! I was eight years old on that fateful day in 1963. My father was an engineering supervisor at a Chrysler facility near Detroit. We lived in a middle class neighborhood in Warren. Similar to the subdivision the Paines lived. We had only the one car that my dad drove each day to work. No other family in the neighborhood had more than one car. Me and my brothers walked to school and my mother stayed at the house doing housewife type stuff during the day. The 1960’s…
Grew up on 6th Street one block over from Payne home. At the time it was middle-class neighborhood. I remember all the driveways had just one vehicle. Mom and dad got second car about 1966. About that time the women were making their movement. 68 mom went to work Dallas Post Office. Now I in the early 70s family living diagonally across from Frazier home. A boy of Sixteen back dad's station wagon out of driveway into a car. Proceeded through the neighborhood sideswiping five other cars on the street. Now looking back in 63 on that day and mom was working local in Irving. A text to driving dad's car to work. Dad rode to work Carswell Air Force base with a buddy around the corner.
Exactly what I thought. Beyond, beyond inconsistent. You've got to be willfully ignorant to not see it. I loved this podcast video.
EXCELLENT, I just discovered you guys and I can't get enough, Your honesty and the truth is shocking and refreshing. Thanks guys
This channel is solid gold.
So, have you guys ever noticed that Michael Paine could’ve been an Oswald double??
You having said that I looked at those photos of Oswald backyard rifle photo. Paine's chin maybe?
Thought the same thing. Coincidence?
So did James Llewellyn, one of David Ferrie's butt buddies. He looked alot like that drawing of "Leon Oswald."
@@PatrickMcManusNY
Roscoe White's chin which was part of his expertise. According to Jim Marrs, variations of the same photo found among his possessions after his death...
ua-cam.com/video/yH6Rj5tyhUc/v-deo.html
@@leeturton9254 Thanks Lee , I will look up White.
I've read "Best Evidence" by David Lifton. I look forward to your segment about the JFK autopsy. That will be an eye popper!
There is a video available on UA-cam called "Oswald's Last Phone Call" which contains more in depth information than what Mark has mentioned in this video. If you really want to see how involved the CIA was in the coverup, this video is well worth watching.
I've read every book that I could get my hands on about JFK even though I had no desire for him to be POTUS. You guys leave me to ask the question, "How many people does it take to kill a President?" I thought I knew them all. You guys keep introducing me to another.
I took issue with the comments made at the beginning about Ruth Paine wanting to learn Russian even though she was teaching it at the time. Not only do people often teach languages which are not their native tongue (especially Americans teaching Russian in the US in the 50s or 60s) but not being native makes them want to take every opportunity to increase their knowledge in their field of expertise. What better way of doing that, then living with a native speaker. That would also explain, why they always spoke Russian with each other as Ruth Paine probably saw it as an opportunity to improve. I myself teach three languages, one of which is Italian, which is not one of my native tongues. Despite having lived in Italy for a decade and being fairly fluent in Italian, I still welcome every opportunity to practise my Italian whenever I meet a native speaker.
My comment is not meant as a general criticism of the stream or as a counterarguments to the arguments presented within this stream but merely as food for thought on this one particular issue.
I had the exact thoughts. It’s s rare opportunity to hone her Russian.
Ive said the same thing, just not as eloquent as you. Its the same as the comments made by people griping about Ruth going to the grocery store. I dont think Ms. Paine was buying a bill of groceries every other day, I think it was just a few items here and there. If I want to go to the store everyday, I will!
May have been uncommon for some people, but not for others. Michael Paine's mother was a $Forbe$. Ruth could afford it. Sure she is strange and lanky, quaker, secretive, etc., whatever , but damn.
Hey yall! Brand new here. I joined not only for the live broadcast, but because I have learned so much from AUS historical details of the characters surrounding the JFK murder.
Loving this stuff!!
Put Michael Paine and Oswald side by side and look at the striking similarities in their appearance, facial expressions, mannerisms, cadence of speaking, ... its uncanny.
Hey Guys here is one variable time tested , after Valkyrie , the brazen attempt to asassinate Hitler by his most trusted ( sound familiar ) , in retribution 5,000 collaborators were killed or imprisoned ( those who knew and said nothing were considered collaborators ) . So you actually believe the U.S. secret service were at odds with the CIA and FBI ? You have to be joking. Some Secret Service people were in on the plot , and as in Germany if anyone who knew JFK was going to be hit and said nothing half of the U.S. goverment would have been rounded up , but there was no one left in the US goverment not involved. The FBI and CIA were in it up to their necks , they were both principle plotters , the FBI is covering it up till this day. Total scum.
Love you guys…I’m subscribed, 👍, shared, and a member of yours in Locals.
You both work off each other so well that you would be perfect in a "buddies" movie!!
Keep it up! 😊 Love all the details and side info. Simply couldn't be better.
ALWAYS especially love the Fridays when Barnes joins you.
Thank you...I'm off to watch Part 2.
New to your channel, great storyteller and love the history..
Another fantastic episode! Thanks so much for the content! Can't wait for you guys to have Viva and Barnes on that would be my favorite combination on UA-cam! Lionel media would be another good guy to have on!
I read Whitaker Chambers book, Witness, years ago. Was so well written and so dense with content I read it five times. Many of the things that you relate to us about remind me of his experiences working underground for the communists. And before he went underground he knew so many of the Communists in our federal government working for FDR. Episode about him would be excellent. A piece of History both the government and the media wanted to bury.
Oh my. There are still people who are alive who believe Chambers? Ok then.
@@stddisclaimer8020 (probably neither would win truth awards)
@@stddisclaimer8020 I thought we were talking Hiss and Chambers.
@@stddisclaimer8020 Yea, drifted a bit. I was only commenting on the comment above about Chambers.
Interesting factoid regarding FDR and, the cabal thought to be behind the JFK assassination. Wikipedia search: "The Business Plot."
I got here through scrutinizing Ruth Paine. Amazing channel, an info paradise!
THIS woman is where the "Official" version of the lone shooter completely falls in a heap! As an investigator once said when you get "coincidence after coincidence after coincidence THAT'S NO COINCIDENCE!"
America's Untold Stories, produce endlessly fascinating episodes.
Your work here is fantastic! Thank you so very very much!
The band who played in the Carousel club lived directly across from...you guessed it , Ruth Payne. And they only moved in there shortly before Oswald moved to Dallas. Obviously a coincidence, right ....
Kinda like the Sandy Hook families that moved in, then moved out after the show was over.
Groubert and Barnes need to have a discussion about Mark's theory on the assassination and the James Ellroy framework as told in American Tabloid.
Such a shame that you guys couldn't have done this episode with Norm MacDonald as a guest to discuss the relationship between Ruth and Marina and the day that James Hostie came knocking on the door...Such comedy gold.
The resemblance between Oswald and Michael Paine is unbelievable. They literally could be twins
Roger Craig's interview is one of the most important I feel. For lots of reasons. I just feel like older people from that era would be more impacted by seeing that old of an interview on the topics discussed
Snowden said the only file he read about the Kennedy assisination was one on Ruth and Michael Paine how they were given two Social Security numbers and two alias names for both of them .and a safe house in South America that they were given to use if needed
snowden was a disinfo agent.
Just found you guys. Now I watch you guys every night.
Love reading about JFK’s assassination. I read Marina’s book some yrs. ago. I don’t recall Ruth Paine’s name.
You guys are fantastic. A lot of what you’re saying is certainly corroborated by interviews on film conducted between 1963 and 1966. I love how you tell the story in a way that humanizes the people involved.
It's brilliant. The evidence is very well corroborated and frankly there is a "preponderance" (legal jargon for a "huge amount") of evidence when you start looking in various places. You've got to have blinded yourself to not see it and also just NOT WANT to see it.
You should def watch the formerly banned/ recently re-released to public controversial film, “Executive Action,” which combined w/ Oliver’s filmography gives you a clear picture. However, the film mentioned takes place from perspective of the “conspirators” and Former Outfitt-connected Chicago officer Richard Cain being the middle man being the mob, millionaires, politicians, and assassin-hit-teams, which included training the recruits and putting the plan together. Shows General Walker’s “fictionalized version, known as “Gen. Keyhoe,” and his major dis-illusionment w/ the situation that he still wore his military uniform throughout the whole training camp, as if his paranoia led him to believe he was some kind of war hero, sectetly protecting his country, from a commie sympathizer!! Crazy accurate for a film made only a decade after the event, leading to Cain’s murder prior to the premier in a suspicious manner. Funny thing was, the assassin(s) set him up by luring him back to Chicago w/ false pretenses of exhanging “the best quality film of the assassination in record” for him and his mentor, former mob-boss Giancana to be allowed back into the US/ hometown Chicago, along w/ re-entry, as they were both in exile in South America for a few years. This was supposedly the film retrieved and sold to the elites that’s POV is from the corner of TSBD facing the knoll, to possibly record Mac Wallace and/or James Files, etc firing the kill shot on request of of Sam Giancana.
I love Mark´s impersonation of Costner´s "Could the mob..."-speech in "JFK".
Paine had family members who worked for the CIA. If you can get your hands on LEE AND ME please read it. There was more to Paine than met the eye and why she befriended and controlled Marina, like an armed guard.
connected operative. Oswald was not alone in every story of the incident.......THE depository job, the Zapruter film, Tippit killing. It is all muddled by horrific cover jobs.
You can look at Ruth and TELL she was a closet FREAK.
First time I ever subscribed. You guys got it right!
The Mexico City embassy grounds photo of Oswald actually published in the first paperback edition of the Warren Commission Report looks so UNlike Oswald it was initially assumed by many to have been a 'printer's error'!
Just seeing laughable Kennedy wound pictures is enough for me to dismiss the WC completely....ridiculous.
Both Ruth Paine and her husband were low level operatives of the CIA and they were only told things on a purely need to know basis. They were instructed to find LHO a position in the TSBD. The planting of other material in the garage was also done. Both the Paines did not know what was to take place on 22/11/63.
Ruth low level?
She Quarterbacked the op.
The TSBD boss/owner who was big pals with LBJ most likely told his recruiting guy for a list of names and basic details of applicants that came in. Of course the boss knew that Ruth would be phoning in with Oswald's details. The recruiting guy was kept in the dark. The boss probably short listed the list of potential job seekers and then told his manager, "that guy seems decent, hire him!"
Agent Ruth Paine. I met Lee and marina through connections in the intelligence community and took them under my wings. More like guiding hands. I helped place Lee at the book depository. That is I helped him find employment at the right place. Called sheep dipping. 🐑 The sacrificial lamb. The scapegoat. The patsy.
Did Oswald know that Marina was KGB and that the Pains were CIA
Yes.
Great channel! One of the best if not the best!
Eric is a great foil for your humour Mark. Absolutely amazing presentations guys, Himmler ,conspiracy mobile, everything, just always felt so sorry for Roger C. Its not all sugar frosted. I've introduced two catch phrases in yr honor. " Its all JFK" for phoney and "Dont shoot ....." (insert name as applicable)
Speaking of Cuba, Astronaut Roger Chaffee, who died in Apollo One.
He became quality and safety control officer for Heavy Photographic Squadron 62 (VAP-62). His time in this unit included taking crucial photos of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, earning him the Air Medal. He was promoted to lieutenant commander in 1966.
Maybe Oswald was used as a Manchurian Candidate then dispatched and disposed of when the job was done! Fascinating talk by you guys! Plus at 27:21 and 27:48 I like Ruth Paine's car and home. You're right the car does need some sprucing up. But it is still drivable I think. Thanks for the upload.
Great channel, looking forward to more of your expert insights. Details I never knew
Interesting the Bell Helicopter connection
A comment on Ruth's houses. That was a fairly savvy move for her if she used Michael's money she could rent those houses out if she wanted income... do favors for folks...get involved with marks, etc.
Michael may have had a kink when it came to his wife's predilections. They certainly are a weird match otherwise.
I discovered this channel on Friday. This is a lot to take in ! Great work!
it's like falling into a vat of fruit cake. you don't know where to bite next!
Amazing content. Groubert is an f-ing savant, and with a sense of humor.
Since you mentioned it, how about a "watch along" or at least a critique of the recent PBS Frontline "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?" .. Would love to get your take on the misinformation you say it conveyed .. Notably there featuring of Ruth Paine as merely a "friend and neighbor" of Marina Oswald .. with no mention of her/husband's deeply rooted CIA lineage and activity .... All of which is a great disappointment to learn .. I always thought of PBS and Frontline as honest and objective .. Maybe worth a "spin-off" video to highlight/explain PBS' historical subjectivity .. ?? .. (Just recently discovered your channel .. fantastic/riveting content! Thanks!!)
On November 22,1963 a concerned citizen brought a big piece of skull which he found on the street on Dealey Plaza to the head pathologist at one of the teaching hospitals in Dallas. The MIB showed up and confiscated it. The doctor took photos, but they eventually got those, too.
I think those bones called Harper fragments. They found bullets at the same time. The spent lot of gymnastics trying to fit those parts in the fake model of Kennedy skull trying to fit them in shot from rear with top and front right skull damage . Search Harper fragments
@@meisievannancy It was a LARGE, INTACT piece of skull which quickly disappeared.
@sagrammyfour Oh what is your reference ?
Zapruter fim was sold to LIFE but ended up in Secret Service phot labs for still frame and manipulation. It's all dirty.
This channel is great. I have been following it now for months.
Did you catch the part that she was introduced to the Oswalds at a party by friends....that was George Demrchild..
I couldn't believe it when I heard him say that Ruth Payne at 90 is living in Santa rosa, CA. That's where I'm living now and have been for the last 61 of 63 years. I'll have to see if she's listed in the pho e book.
Bohemian Grove
@@joinjen3854 Quaker Oats/CIA west coast
She’s apparently living in a Quaker retirement home in the city. She shouldn’t be too hard to locate if she’s still using her real name.
The evidence doesn't comport with George de Mohrenschildt committing suicide. Based on the audio recording, it's possible but not probable.
It’s uncanny the resemblance of mr Paine and Oswald !!!!!
Agree
It could have been Paine in the Rambler Stationwagon.
Very suspicious the resemblance certainly.
when I hear Ruth Paine talk, I hear the voice of someone that had Allen Dulles' home phone number
Great channel !!! You guys mesh well !!! I like how your on screen set up is always the same 👍🏻 it stands out
We lived in a little 1950s home when I was a kid. However, it was bigger than the Paine's' home. It had a separate two car garage. The Paine's home was TINY, which makes it even more absurd that they would take in Marina and her babies. The Paines obviously moved into that home to look like they had a LOT less money than they did! George and Barbara Bush did the SAME thing, when they first moved to Texas. My Lord, it looked like that didn't have a pot to pee in or a window to throw it out of!
And with a small property to then go and buy a *third* car (an older Oldsmobile) for Oswald to learn to drive in. WTF?
Love you u guys, so glad I found your programs. Been watching all I can find.1
With being friends like them such a good & great Paine Family. Who would need any more worst enemies? Sure sold Oswald Family out within 1 blink of the eye.
Mr. Paine sounds very much as if he has been coached, but by who?
This is really fascinating information.
Fantastic series. Very glad I’ve come across this
I think Marina testified that she checked the blanket before the police came and thought the rifle was still in the blanket and she told the police there was a rifle and then they found the blanket was empty. It is strange that since Ruth did not trust Oswald and with kids who played in the garage that she would not see the blanket on the floor and check it before the shooting.
Ruth didnt suspect that there was a gun in the blanket. Marina knew about the gun, but didnt tell Ruth. That shpild make Ruth mad at Marina, but Ruth kept begging Marina to stay. Were Ruth Paome's kid old enough to play in the garage?
@@myronhelton4441 Ruth or Michael said the kids played near the blanket area, small cluttered floor near a toy by the saw table. Michael said he thought the blanket held tenting equipment. Did the Oswald's ever go camping? Michael and Oswald went on assignments together to find pro Castro students and Michael would take names. Similar things Oswald did in New Orleans passing out pro Castro flyers. Ruth did not trust Oswald and thought he was up to something secret and should have checked the blanket and Michael Paine also.
A man who done mind control traveled 2000 miles to give Ruby a flu shot, then Ruby died right before testifying. A 100 year old woman who visited Ruby said it was lies, that Ruby was poisoned. All this stuff smells mob. I am 67 years old. I saw live on tv Oswald shot. First live execution on tv. I got out of bed & wanted to see oswald moved on my small tv on fireplace I watched Oswald shot. Fascinating, you made my day, you may be the first one to realize this evidence, I wonder how your evidence escaped the truth seekers. Common sense says check out anything unknown for your kids. Ruth is one smart cookie, she should have checked the gun, maybe Ruth was lying. She lied on tv saying she barely knew Russian. I wonder why Marina would keep silent of the gun to Ruth, or if Marina assumed Ruth knew of gun, but that would make Marina knowing of the gun seem to be unsafe with Ruth's kids. Ruth was hesitant & didnt try to hard to find a lawyer for Oswald, because Ruth had little feelings for him. Then think how Marina feels if Ruth told Marina she had feelings for Marina, but didnt have feelings for Marina & Marina's kids, by not trying too hard to find a lawyer for Oswald. That makes no sense. The guy who made the movie, I believe all he says. But the story of CIA George who knew Paines, I dont find enough evidence to make me believe on. George handed Oswald to Paine,s. George committed suicide the day he was to testify. Ruth wanted Oswald not to talk. A pic with Oswald in army with CIA digging ditches. Bookstore owner knew CIA, & may have known when JFK I am going to arrive to meet Oswald. Ruth got Oswald job, but ignored better job for Oswald. The 2 shots between Connally & Kennedy a half second apart. JFK was shot, then Connally turned twice & was shot. Many videos Connally & his wife say this. The last video explains this. I leave you 3 video links, the last link is the best.. ua-cam.com/video/EIozqGXr-9k/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/xaMQgvR5Y-E/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/e8i-R3saBBs/v-deo.html
@@JimGlover1I never heard of Paine's until 3 months ago, when the 3 latest videos came out, like they were waiting for witnesses to die to guarantee their safety. One thing odd is exactly how long, why, & when were the Paine's separated, it wasnt long. Ruth Paine's kids were always with her, but not with her the night before the assassination. Camping equipment sounds like a lie. Ruth really knew were the gun was & kept kids out of garage. The cops entered, Marina told cops, Ruth didnt know of gun, the gun was gone. If there was a plan, the gun would have to be put somewhere handy. I bet they knew the gun was there, but it was really put up high for awhile. But any reasonable parent would check all of Oswalds belongings, there could be poison, fishhooks, paint. I think they checked Oswald belongings & kept the kids away from the garage. Oswald had a rooming house, but stayed with Ruth on the weekends for 2 months. Maybe the Paine's knew the gun was gone. I bet Nichael was lying about what was in the bag. I bet nothing was in the bag for too long. Thats why the kids played there. There was also the guy who drove Oswald to work, his sister & people where Iswald worked. The FBI found a file cabinet in Paine garage with hundreds of names of I think of People who liked Castro. I wonder if Paine hated Oswald handing out flyers. And why Paine's were separated at this thrilling time. Trump released information that Oswald probably went to the Cuban Embassy in Mexico. I wonder who taught Oswald all this stuff. There is weak evidence that Marina was in a government sex scandal. Russia helped Castro. Ruby was a gunrunner to Castro haters. Oswald in pic with some CIA in ditch. You have a point that if Ruth & Michael didnt trust Oswald, that surely she'd check his belongings for the kids safety. Marina knew there was a dangerous gun & forgot to tell Ruth is absolutely rediculous & unbelievable. One doesnt leave a rifle unlocked for a thief to break in to shoot one with it. Michael & Ruth stayed close together their whole lives, he died 2 years ago. One would assume they never hid anything from each other & why did they stay together. Ruth had an almost photographic memory. I wonder if Ruth told news she thought Oswald was trouble, if she really wanted him out of the way. Michael Paine was asked to talk to Oswald in jail, but I cant find proof. Cant find proof Ruth in late fifties took in Russians as a quaker. The movie maker says she was kicked out of South America, being accused as a spy.
@@JimGlover1 They may have been checking out for & against Castro names, Oswald & Paines. Ruby was gunrunner against Castro. JFK hated Castro. CIA & mob clubs hated Castro. Hoover favored the mob letting Hiiver win horseraces. JFK tried to take down the mob who helped him win election.Iswald in pic digging ditch with CIA. Russia piy missiles in Cubaby Castro. Bay of pigs failure in Cuba. Supposedly Marina in Russian gov sex scandal. Many russian spies married US men, got here, then divorced them. Oswald probably went to Mexican Cuban Embassy. Ruth picked up Oswalds in New Orleans mob district. Ruby in mob.
The Conspirators were beyond a doubt the most incredibly thorough planners the likes of which we have never before or since seen! So many details, literally HUNDREDS (thousands really), both big and small, executed with pure precision and brilliance. And I suspect we don't even know the half of it. Least not yet! Oswald acted alone? Impossible I say! Impossible! 😂
I think a lot of it has to do with how little we know about them. They don't have to be too secret or great at plotting. Just keeping you distracted is all it takes.
Oswald wasn't the greatest marksman in the world either.
You’re forgetting 911.
Thoroughly convinced, with all kinds of different testimony (Varying Tippit scene, knoll fence smoke and shooter eye witness, Zapruter film manipulation, and ridiculous timeline and magic bullet garbage). Oswald was involved and most likely not alone.
@@johngalt6838 did he know he wasn't alone though?
Murky Marina.... The more you find out the more she can't be trusted for me. Thx for another great discussion
Also remember Byrd who owned the TSBD building was a founder of the civil air patrol and Oswald was civil air patrol as well.🤔
And my boss was the owner of my company and I worked there wtf haha
The Paines got away with being apart of a coup de ta, makes me sick
Does anyone else see a similarity between Oswald and Michael Payne. Could he be the Oswald impersonator at the car dealer, gun range, etc
And the Chit Show continue to this day, what a country
First time finding the channel and really like it. Looking forward to more.
Just starting to read about the Plaines. This episode was so timely!
It was meant to be
Plaines works better than Paines, actually.
@@janetphillips2875 oops😀
Paine's husband? in the interview at the beginning, he could have doubled for Oswald himself... slim enough and the same hawkish face, pretty good resemblance.
I am just loving sitting back and listening to you guys going on and on. Even if I don't agree with all of what you say sometimes, I still enjoy hearing you present it.
How can one agree or disagree if you were not privy talk this circle of spying back in 1950/60's
Ditto. I was 10 when it happened. I don’t know if I’m being pulled into or out of a rabbit hole by you two. I would be keenly interested in your critique of Vincent Bugliosi’s “Reclaiming History”, a refutation of conspiracy theories. Did Mr. Bugliosi have some conflict of interests or dark motivations for his staunch pro Warren Commission stance? I know the book came out before the updated autopsy findings. Regardless, Mr. Groubert you are one hell of a raconteur.
Great episode. Ruth and her husband have a backstory/legend that is inconsistent with their family background in intelligence, a hallmark of CIA protocol, and just like.....Lee Oswald!! Ruth Paine got Lee the job at the TSBD and then didn't even tell him when she got another call with a job for Lee that paid almost double?? The husband of the lady and children whom she was so concerned about their well-being and she wanted their dad/sole supporter to have a job making half as much money. Oh, and Lee owned a spy camera with all the extra gimmicks that would have cost Lee over three months gross salary. Clearly given to him by a handler. To make him think he was in an operation to take out Castro perhaps? Lee was a Patsy. He didn't say "I am innocent, I wasn't involved, I don't understand". He said "I am just the Patsy," in a disgusted tone. He knew what had happened and the CIA flipped the script on him. Why didn't the FBI put Lee's call from the jail out to Nag's Head to the retired Army officer who was the head of the false defector program? I don't think he was really Lee's handler, but Lee sure thought he was.
So Ruth Paine was in the shrub scouts, interesting,
Ruth was what we called back in the day an "FOC", a Friend of the Company......she furnished the "master of the gun" , probably LBJ's boy Wallace, with the Carcano----he wasn't competent enough to be a shooter, his job was to obtain the rifle from Ruth, fire at least 3 rounds, then proceed to the TSB Suppository (PVT Snowball FMJ) , pile some boxes up to look like a sniper's nest, drop the shells on the ground, the "hide" the gun nearby. Wallace's prints were on the boxes, a custodian in the records bldg saw a guy fitting Wallace's description piling up the boxes. He also saw that person leave the TSBD and enter a waiting car. gl
In the 1980s I believe it was showtime. It televised the trial of Lee Harvey oswald. Back then you had a call in to certain numbers if Oswald was guilty or innocent. America overwhelmingly said Oswald was innocent. But Ruth pain she was a rock on the stand.
He was found guilty in that trial.
The evidence was overwhelmingly Oswald didn't show him guilty.
@@aaronz7056 The funeral director said g-men took Oswald's prints while he laid in his casket.
Of course his print would be at the book depository. Oswald worked there.
How could he snuggle the rifle? The package was not to have any oil on it from the rifle. No holes in the paper. The barrel is made of steel. Which would have pierced the paper. Plus he was able to tuck the package under his arm and into his hand. Unless Oswald was an orangutan. The pieces are too long to be tucked under his arm and into his hand. .
@@aaronz7056 you need to watch Jim marrs and Jim fetzer's speeches on the Kennedy assassination. The autopsy also showed photos of Kennedy's head having a huge defect in the right rear. The Dallas doctors all witnessed a huge defect in Kennedy's right rear. And a 3 to 4 millimeter hole in the throat just above the Adam's apple. Plus there were 2 shots into Kennedy's back. And also John Connelly was buried with more lead in his wrist than missing from the magic bullet. John Connelly always said even up to his death. He was not hit by the same bullet as Kennedy. Why would he scream out they're going to kill us all? Did Connelly have prior notice. Probably yes. He was very close to LBJ. Madeline Duncan Brown was one of LBJ's lovers. And she said I'm paraphrasing. LBJ said those Kennedy boys won't be a problem after tomorrow. That's not a threat it's a promise. The Zapruder film itself is proof it was edited. Zapruder himself said he began filming once the limo turned onto Houston street. The movie has crude editing. Jim Fetzer had film professionals look over the film. Their conclusions where the film is heavily edited.
@@aaronz7056 In 1963 murder was a state crime. Not a federal offense. Why did the FBI steal Kennedy's body from Dallas? Only the new president and his best friend J Edgar Hoover had the capabilities to do so.
yes mark..they always use the same...script...why not...go with what works