I am 68 and have read thru this slaughter for many years. I have read all the books I can find. Have been to Dealy 4 times. Oswald never fired a shot that day. Oswald got into Clay Shaw's Rambler station wagon. Ruth Paine had a 55 Chevy station wagon. CIA set-up. Nothing to do with Mafia. I love the young people getting into this.Really appreciate that. Carry on...
@@davidwilliams4498 Your "detailed research" consists of collecting myths, fables, lies and legends you picked up in $1.99 conspiracy books at a junk yard sale. Congrats, you've just played yourself.
Before Oswald was even dead, LBJ and FBI director Hover had a conversation stating that the American people must be led to believe that Oswald acted alone. They pushed the conclusion before any evidence was examined.
@russelllane7551 Hoover was more concerned that Russia could possibly be behind the assassination, and in not alarming the public and possibly starting WW3. There's no evidence of his scapegoating Oswald to hide a conspiracy. In any event, the preponderance of evidence pointed (and still does) to Oswald and he alone, no matter what Hoover may have said/done/wrote.
It's time to let president Kennedy RIP don't you think, I mean all these people are coming forward saying this is what happened or this is what happened the man is dead 60 yrs now and we will never find out the truth, we will all probably be all dead & buried then our children's children will probably find out who Really killed president Kennedy, but not in our lifetime no way its a huge huge cover up by our government and they ain't telling, CASE CLOSED END OF STORY.
The woman, whose name he couldn't remember who was on the 4th floor and who came down immediately after the shots, was Victoria "Vicky" Adams. She and her coworker, Sandra Styles came down together and did not see or hear Oswald.
Americas Untold Stories UA-cam channel & many others. It is a well known fact by serious JFK historians. There's a lot to know and it goes directly in to what's happening today. The more people who get hip to this the better off we'll all be. My favorite "picture worth a 1000 words" is Prescott Bush ( yes, the father and grandfather of 2 of our presidents and who financed the Nazi empire, look it up) placing a hat on a young Richard Nixon in 1950 with Jack Rubenstein aka Jack Ruby standing next to him!
I’ve said this before it’s sad to see more people aren’t attending these Seminars/reviews. I think it’s very important that young people whether they are American or from anywhere else realise the significance of what happened on 22/11/63. Being from Scotland I can say it’s a fascinating but deeply sad subject and anyone who has been following it especially the great people of America will tell you it was true turning point in there recent history. JFK was trying to challenge the military industrial complex and the intelligence agencies for the better of the people in America. Trying to cool relations with the USSR, saved the world from nuclear war at the Cuban missile crisis also when all the generals around him wanting to launch, and wouldn’t be dictated to by the agencies and the deep state. I think most Americans would agree that is the problem in there amazing country today. Thank you ACTV and Jeffrey.
I greatly appreciate your genuine interest in this maddening event in our nation's history. I am simultaneously disheartened by the widespread apathy/ignorance of my fellow citizens in this matter. Their collective interest was piqued with the widespread release of the movie "JFK", but a vigorous mainstream media campaign against it by dutiful government shills soon steered the lazy populace back into the slaughterhouse line, with their entertainment, sports programming and endless intake of empty calories and other distractions.
@@shuroom57 Thank you, yeah it’s very sad that more people especially younger generations don’t have the same intrigue or interest in this subject as I think it represented a huge shift in your great nations trajectory. There wouldn’t have been any Vietnam war for a start where something like 58,000 Americans sadly lost there lives fighting in a war they should never have been in. Thanks again for your reply much appreciated
People aren’t attending because they seek info elsewhere. Like here and all over online. We access all info from home online and a lot more young people don’t believe the official story than ever. While it would be nice to attend these types of meetings they are all over the country and we just can’t. So we dig online for old & new videos, books, documents, interviews, news etc. So luckily we are fortunate that it’s all available for us to do so.
Ruby (RUBINSTEIN was a Jew Zionist Mole. He had the Job of SILENCING Oswald. As the Zionist involvement in the assassination would be EXPOSED. Kennedy DENIED the Zionists of Israel Atomic Bomb technology Know-how and they decided to kill him. The Killing was done by professional FRENCH Assassins for hire and MOSSAD was, most likely, the "Handler" Oswald was a KLUTZ and a Panzi Just a Diversion..... The Zionists Did not want Oswald to start Singing!..........
Also silenced by the lack of a simple recording.... By the 1960's intelligence and law enforcement in general was corrupted and had, to a large extent, been hijacked. People who knew too much about behind-the-scenes operations, or who drew attention to them were under constant threat. The failure to tape-record Oswald can't be put down to incompetence or anything innocent (is incompetence ever complete innocence anyway?) Some argue that the killing of JFK was one of the top ten most impactful events of the 20th century so nobody can argue that it wasn't deserving of a proper investigation using any and all means that could be mustered. It is well known that magnetic tape recordings are a solid, trusted means of recording information, and almost impossible to tamper with. Even today, magnetic tape recordings onto compact cassette cartridge are preferred by most lawyers over electronic means. --Interestingly, these very same compact cassette cartridges, designed and released by the large international electronics company, Philips, had been available to the general public in certain markets for months by the time of the Oswald arrest. To put things into perspective, with the release of the compact cassette tapes, even the widely used and convenient RCA audio cartridges were steadily on their way to becoming obsolete, and the old reel-to-reel audio recorders, used by some government departments since the late 1940's, were now "old hat". To imagine that even a simple reel-to-reel tape recorder could not have been brought to the Homicide Office of the Dallas PD, and even after the Captain (Capt. Will Fritz) specifically asked for one, is beyond a stretch. It would be hard to imagine that a reel-to-reel could not be availed to record the interview of an arrested suspect in the murder of a tramp in a back alley, but unfathomable in the instance of an alleged assassin of the President of the United States! So, are we just supposed to believe that the likes of a Boeing 707 airliner can be availed expressly for the services of a president but an old reel-to-reel tape recorder just can't. ...Nope, for the investigation of the assassination of the President of the United States in a premier US city like Dallas, not one can be mustered in almost two days of the important aftermath of this killing when a suspect's behaviour and testimony is most crucial.
@jimmycricket5366 Thank You. And, what about simple physics, trajectory and (all) ballistics found (and allegedly found shell casings). A) One head shot or 2 separate head shots? Either or each would leave an exit wound. 2 holes = 1 shot. (Or, 2 different guns; front & back, and no exits) 4 holes = 2 shots (with high powered rifle). *Or, could. Right!* Begin with -->> 1 head shot (especially if going w/ only "3 shells" which will become a mute point; but, I digress) B) Trajectory (angle/angles) Initially, presume no turn inside skull (with bone always the chance of some variation, but a proper EXAM can / would have answered). *IF* there was a turn; potential turn ... right or left (after a direction/path determined). The entry/exit points were far enough apart to give/help with trajectory (with JFK's body position known - thanks to the *Zapruder* film). C) Direction of the bullet(s) - aka location or where abouts of the shooter(s). Front to back vs back to front. *AND, WATCH ZAPRUDER FILM.* Hunters or gun enthusiasts suspect lies/problems (I'm sure ... more so if they had known *only* 3 shell casings). Question for FBI agents, CIA and LE (at the time)? How ... from an ELEVATED POSITION (6TH floor) Does ONE BULLET enter low on a target (if behind/below right ear to back of skull) then travel "Upward" to exit the anterior and TOP region of skull (with head still up) before head goes BACK and then JFK slumps over to the left (or Jackie moves).
No magic bullet. No "murders." Only crackpots trying to exploit a murder, led by the biggests crackpots of them all, Mark Lane, Jim Garrison and Olive Stone. Join the educated world and forget about these goofballs. Lane misrepresented the evidence to invent the zizg zag bullet. The evidence shows that the trajectory is perfect. Please name one murder that ocurred. It's a theory pushed by most recently by the Jim Marrs, who also believes in UFOs and aliens aliens.
"Magic" bullet makes perfect sense and is backed up by evidence. The "mysterious deaths list" is an hilarious hoax where everybody on it either had little or no connection to the case or else their causes of death were misreported to sound more "sinister."
All the people that died had already testified or told their stories, this leaves their deaths to be accidents or by natural causes. The wound in the back of Connally also was an oblong shape which means the bullet was tumbling, bullets only tumble if they hit something (like JFKs neck). Oswald did it, it's so blatantly obvious.
HitList by Richard Beltzer...Excellent book. Each chapter is dedicated to a life lost connected to this terrible tragedy. Tippet is Chapter One etc. No coincidence that more end up lost when the Warren Report and the Congressional Report are die.
I was just seven when JFK was assassinated, but recall it like yesterday. I have read dozens of books (over the many years) regarding this awful happening, but the most recent/fascinating (and best documented) one I poured over, is called "Lee and Me" - written by Judyth Vary Baker. I have no connection to the author or publisher whatsoever, but I read this good sized book in just two sittings. It explains much - it's hard not to conclude that Lee Oswald was exactly what he said - a "patsy."
Yea it's impossible really to come to any other conclusion really especially when you consider Rubys statements before trial where he plainly says " The people who put me up to this will never be known to the World " end of story.
I was 7 too. I am from Belgium but mom and i heard it on our radio and while i did not knew who JFK was that time the reaction of my mom told me alot. I learned alot too and i am convinced that LHO did not fired 1 shot there. It was denied on our TV many years ago by a specialist in ballistics who tried out the same shots with the same type of rifle from the same spot in the Dallas County Administration Building 411, Elm street, Dallas TX. He concluded that he could not fire the so called 3 bullets in the suposed time frame and that the angles of the bullets did not matched. In one of our Belgian newspapers it also was written that from several places was fired by at least 4 people. There must have been noises all around so with silencers it was not detected. Just now i read on Google..."Oswald's rifle could not shoot 3 rounds in 8 seconds".
@@SuperErikRoss Ruby's own friends thought he was a complete fruitcake and he never made any attempt to blow any conspiracy either at his public trial or even on his deathbed.
@@03333032 a) You can watch Josiah Thompson in NOVA's Who Killed President Kennedy or John K. Lattimer in Beyond Conspiracy easily replicate operating that kind of rifle well within the time frame, to name but two examples. b) No bullets or fragments were ever found that didn't match to Oswald's rifle. c) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they were hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind. d) Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive, explosive exit wound at the right temple consistent only with a shot from behind. e) Multiple and mathematically precise computer recreations over the years by various investigators have consistently and clearly demonstrated not only that the victims' wounds all line up on a direct trajectory, but that they all track straight back to Oswald's window. f) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said all 3 shots came from directly overhead. g) It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing away from several directions. h) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind. i) Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos. j) Oswald owned and smuggled the rifle. k) Oswald's latent print was on the rifle. l) A man was seen in the window who could very plausibly have been Oswald. m) No unidentified persons were ever caught inside the building. n) Oswald was the one and only employee inside the building during the shooting to immediately flee the plaza. o) Oswald lied to police about his whereabouts during the shooting. p) Oswald just shrugged a hollow and rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
Ruth Paine's explanation to her reportedly saying "I (we) have been expecting you" when DPD arrived at her home, is the fact that Lee Oswald worked at the TSBD? If that's the case, why didn't the DPD visit the homes of EVERY employee that worked at the TSBD, at least the men?
At 50 to 52 minutes the storm drain is mentioned as having an impossible angle for an accurate shot. The drain he mentioned is 50 yards from the target. Jim Marrs pointed out that the storm drain shot was only yards from the target. That storm drain outlet was later blanked off in the 60's. With all due respect for those who have done excellent research, i just wish they would stop mentioning the wrong drain outlet. The exit at the parking lot area would have been 30 yards distance as pointed out by Marrs.
This would be the same Jim Marrs who: a) kept giving his middle finger and one great big "F-word you" to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as he accused the man without evidence of being a conspirator in murder and treason so lone as it suited his crackpot "theories" b) invented a bogus "mysterious deaths list of witnesses" where everybody on it either had little or no connection to the case or else their causes of death were misreported to sound more "sinister" c) gave us the bonkers "multiple Oswald clones running around Dallas" idiocy d) proved UFO's and flying saucers are real.... As for the storm drain, all credible medical, eyewitness, film, forensic and ballistic evidence clearly demonstrate the shots all came from behind the limo anyway.
@@Qteskimo Bill Newman, 10 to 12ft from the President, said one shot was to his right. As he said that he indicated with his right arm outstretched in a low down position. How many clues do we need? When it comes to the shots, they're moving at a snails pace and covering up along the way. We're being sandbagged.
Many thanks for this - I had just come round to wondering WHERE Oswald was heading to from his boarding house, and as he seemed in such a hurry - a full street map would have helped me You are right - The JFK fiasco is down to incompetence or involvement before and after the killing by FBI, CIA (and Dallas police after), and their cover ups almost worked.
You didn't mention ms Clemmons, who said she saw two people shoot Tippit. And other eyewitness that saw the same thing. Two different kinds of shells found at the scene.
Clemmons never said she saw anyone shoot Tippit. She did not see the shooting. The four shell casings found at the scene were all .38 Specials. They were all matched to Oswald's revolver.
@@dexculpepper-py1jr There were no shots from an automatic. All four shell casings that were found at the scene were non-auto .38 Specials. Clemons did not see anyone reloading a gun. What she may have seen is Ted Callaway holding Tippit's gun.
@@dexculpepper-py1jr , Oswald's revolver was a .38 which had been converted (re-chambered) to a .38 Special, which does not auto-eject shells; they have to be manually ejected. And that is exactly what multiple witnesses saw: Oswald emptying hulls from his revolver.
@@stddisclaimer8020 Yeah, Oswald was unable to use the extractor because at least one of the shells had expanded too much. He had to wait for it to cool down before he removed that one. He carried it away from the scene and it was never found.
The bus driver did recognize Oswald. Also, a former landlady of Oswald was on the bus and she verified it was definitely Oswald also. No question or confusion on this matter.
That is not how i remember bus transfers working. You could get a transfer anytime while you were on the bus. Typically when you get on the bus. You could use it within a limited time whenever you got off the bus. For a long (in time and/or distance) ride it might be a while before you got off the bus to make a transfer to the next bus on your journey. The time on the transfer would be the time you took it and not necessarily within the 15 minute time window you planned to use it.
I just want to applaud the Allen City Library for hosting and posting some of the most wonderful, accurate and informative findings about the tragic murders of President John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, and Dorothy Kilgallen. I’ve also heard speakers at Allen on the “Oswald Only” side of the tragedy of 11/22/1963. I will never agree, but it’s great that the Library gives all their fair share of time. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🕊🙏✝️💜🙋♀️🌹 My very favorite speaker was Dr. Grover Proctor. What a teacher, what a speaker, what a story teller (of the cold, hard facts, but in a way all of us can understand them easily.......he will chuckle at this, but it’s kind of like Our Lord Jesus using “parables” to be able to teach The Love of God to followers who were perhaps not so well-educated in Jesus’s day -- fishermen, beggars, farmers, etc.). I would love to sit down with him within a small group and just LEARN from him! Of course, there is simply none like Mark Shaw! I listened to him approximately two hours, and could have easily listened to two more! What a Crusader for the clearing of Dorothy Kilgallen’s Name, as well as fact-finding about all three cases, and how so sickeningly meshed together. 😢 I wasn’t so impressed with the gentleman from Florida who had purchased Lee Oswald’s RING! 😖 It wasn’t his content, it was his presentation, and I just wasn’t quite sure he truly knew what he was talking about in some instances. Of course, I give him a huge amount of credit for researching, then getting up in front of people (albeit a very small crowd, what a shame) and sharing his information! Like myself, he’s no spring chicken, and I applaud him for his search for the truth, then allowing us who listen to make up our own minds about what he had found. TO THE CITY OF ALLEN AND DALLAS: There have GOT to be lots of good people in and/or near your cities who are willing to get together in a court of law to have The Sixth Floor Museum either change what they’ve got on display, so as to let visitors know there are proven facts against “Oswald Alone”, or shut them down until they do! They are misrepresenting the history of their city, this country, and continue to help spread lies about President Kennedy’s horrific murder. It’s a disgrace. With all the proven facts that have been discovered and multiply verified that President Kennedy’s murder was NOT the act of one person (let alone a patsy like Oswald), I do not understand how the owners/managers/staff/Board can allow this to go on! Even if they do not like with what has been discovered to be true, you’d think they’d AT LEAST want to keep up with the times.....as ANY good business does. It seems they just wish to bury their heads in the sand and hope it will all go away. What’s really atrocious is that they’re making money from spreading untruths! I Googled their admission prices, and they ain’t cheap. Believe it or not, their admission prices will RISE in January 2024 to $22 for adults; $20 for Seniors; Youth (ages 6 - 18) $18; children 0-5 free. A good peaceful Boycott may help by touching their pocketbooks; although according to Mark Shaw, he has done everything but stand on his head to even get them to listen to him, so I don’t know. He was only asking to place different excellently researched books/fact sheets on the murder in the museum (not for sale and certainly not just his!), but they still said “No”. You all are Texans 😘 - certainly you can come up with a way to fight this atrocity. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙏💜🕊🙋♀️🌹
@ TSBD museum: Texans (wealthy) , if the true & whole story was told it would tarnish some very powerful family names. Maybe even financially .So don't expect to see it soon.
In opinion the 6th floor museum is nothing more than a Cia propaganda machine. The fact that they refuse to allow any evidence found in the JFK files that have been unsealed goes to their lack of credibility. I wouldn't pay 2 cents for admission.
That bunch will never allow truth to "interfere" with their bizarre acknowledgment of Kennedys murder while trying to continue the big lie of a "single shooter". I live in Tx., lean to the left and understand all too well the hypocrisy, double dealings and evil hidden by the cowboy hats, boots, belt buckles, and artificial friendly facade of the "good ol' boys" who have participated, perpetuated and prospered from their big lie.
51:42 George de Mohrenschildt didn't commit suicide. He was murdered the same day somebody put two slugs into the head of Charles Nicoletti, like the twin murders of David Ferrie and paymaster Eladio del Valle on the same day. De Mohrenschildt's wife Jeanne Le Gon came to him from Abraham Zapruder's secretarial pool. Why didn't Zapruder take his film from his own offices in Dal-Tex, an ideal site? Because his office space on the fourth floor was being used to coordinate the assassination, which is why Zapruder scooted everybody out before noon so the radio guys and snipers and phone operations coordinators could scan Dealey Plaza from Dal-Tex.
@jackieow George de Mohrenschildt committed suicide. He had a history of mental illness and previous suicide attempts. His death was thoroughly investigated by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.There was no evidence of foul play.
de Mohrenschildt committed suicide after a history of mental illness and previous attempts, thoroughly investigated by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's office, never mind the absurdity of the idea some "conspiracy" letting him live for 14 years before deciding it was necessary to "silence" him. del Valle was a mobster involved in various criminal activities like drug running, there is no evidence his death was related to the assassination. Ferrie died of Berry aneurysm after failing health, he always hotly denied any knowledge of the assassination, and he was preparing to sue Jim Garrison for harassment. Who killed him, Garrison? As for Zapruder's lffice being used to "co-ordinate the assassination..." LOL
@@troyledbetter6597 You haven't heard it because she's just making it up, the same way she makes everything else up she spews. De Mohrenshildt committed suicide after a history of mental illness and previous attempts, his death was thoroughly investigated by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.
@@troyledbetter6597 That's right. Same Zapruder. Total set up, so he could rent his office out to Assassination Command Central and make a movie that would yield him thousands and ultimately millions for his heirs. Babushka Lady was on standby for the CIA. Notice she didn't step forward with her film for fame and fortune. Her standby version wasn't needed, since Zapruder's camera worked ok, so Babushka Lady's film went to Ft. Bragg NC and the Green Beret school of sniper assassination where it was seen by Dan Marvin and his class. Google Dan Marvin. When the lights came up, the instructor said "This is an excellent example of how to do a perfect urban sniper assassination." Later the CIA at Ft. Bragg asked Dan Marvin to kill Lt. Cmdr. William Bruce Pitzer at Bethesda. Because he had an untampered video of the JFK autopsy that proved multiple shooters and shots from the front. Zapruder had offices on the fourth floor of the Dal-Tex Building across from the book depository, so that was the perfect spot for him to sit in a chair, film out the window the turn from Main to Houston, the lazy turn onto Elm, and then the departure along Elm. From there he could have had double the film. But no, his office was used to stage manage all the snipers via radio, so Zapruder went halfway down Elm, faced the weather and the crowds, and teetered on a high pedestal where he could have fallen and broken his neck. He "ran into" a secretary who "just happened" to be there to hold him steady. Notice the film ends just as JFK vanishes into the underside of the triple underpass. Zapruder, millionaire that he was, supposedly had the first 3/4 of his film used up, couldn't afford a new reel for a presidential parade, and by pure coincidence just happened to run out of film as JFK disappeared. Yeah, that way he can't pan the crowd and catch anybody bundling up rifles and scurrying away. In real life, the CIA film forgers (Douglas Horne "Altered History') packed the front 3/4 of the film reel with shots of Zapruder's house and yard, as if he needed to remember his own house and junk views of nothing of significance. Just filler to stuff onto the reel.
You might want to think about going back. It's not just the JFK assassination scandal. The Central Bank scam. The government allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. USS Liberty attack/ cover up. 9/11- inside job. Get out while you can!
It's tough to believe Fritz regarding the ticket when - for the biggest manhunt/murder case in modern American history - he decided to keep no notes during his extensive interrogation of Oswald (or did and burned them).
If Oswald was on the second floor throughout, because if he had come down the stairs the office girls would have heard him. How did the shooter on the sixth floor escape to the ground floor? There were sights of a man/men leaving the back of TSBD.
a) The only person to place Oswald on the second floor during the assassination was Oswald and the people he claimed he was with flatly denied ever seeing him. b) Those women came downstairs after he did. c) Those women oddly didn't hear Baker and Truly coming UP the stairs either. d) Those women oddly didn't hear anybody ELSE coming down the stairs either. e) You failed to mention Oswald then immediately fled the plaza.
@@ronniebishop2496 Swell, now maybe you'll tell us how many of those other employees: - were inside the building during the shooting - owned and smuggled the rifle - left their latent prints on the rifle - lied to police about their whereabouts during the shooting - took evasive action to get to their other weapons - were ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting a cop and fleeing - had the shells from the scene matched to their revolvers - owned and were in possession of those revolvers - were seen trying to hide from passing police - were seen ducking into theaters to dodge more passing police - were caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop - fought so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming them - observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing - refused to cooperate with investigators - turned down help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association - acted so smug they even convinced their own brothers they were guilty - just shrugged hollow, rambling replies when asked hours later on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
@@aaronz7056you forgot to mention that the actual shooter is behind the fence next to the pergola, he then runs to a nearby agent, who takes the gun apart, puts it in a bag and they all walk off in opposite directions. Because that's how Clean Ops work. Not clowns like Oswald that never would've pulled it off. Oswald hadn't touched a rifle in 4+ years. Cheap plastic scope that wasn't sighted, cheap garbage WW1 Italian rifle. Just stop.
You're assuming that "Oswald" fired 3 shots. What if he or whomever fired only one shot? There was likely complete chaos for the first few minutes especially if crowds of people were rushing to the knoll. ( they were) It would have been easy for the shooters to exit and escape if they fired ONLY one shot and left.
"Beware. The Cia bots have entered the comment section." And yet, "strangely," you have been helplessly unable to ever, ever, ever prove that even one person who has posted any comment to any UA-cam video about the JFK assassination is even distantly associated with the CIA in any way whatsoever. Sounds like you're merely once again promoting yet another silly tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that has no basis in proven fact.
No, they just see value in alerting the unwary when they are being misled by crackpots so paranoid they assume anybody not on board for this silly conspiracy talk must be a CIA bot.
Tradecraft has several methods for two assets who have never met before to recognize each other. The official explanation of the bus transfer sounds more likely, but a torn ticket half matching the other ticket half is a time-honored recognition signal. Oswald was reported to have been shifting seats in the main theater seating--and also reported to be in the balcony. It is possible that Oswald was meeting someone there and was using either a bus transfer or his theater ticket to ID his contact. The theater ticket wasn't found--and the official story is that Oswald had no theater ticket. Or he ditched it when confronted by multiple plainclothes detectives. There's lots of "what if" stories. "What happened" is difficult to determine.
@@aaronz7056 I've processed evidence at crime scenes. Sometimes the evidence is subtle--orange smears turned out to be paint balls. The incident in Phoenix was a drive-by shooting--and I gathered enough evidence to allow the police to clear the case by arrest. They had the paintball gun and the culprits folded like a house of cards when questioned.
Nalley's uncle was DPD Motorcycle Cop: James M Chaney, who was next to the Limo! The HSCA did a piss poor job of searching for him. I found him in 2 minutes search on Ancestry! He still lives near Dallas!
Many CIA agents were drunk at Rubys night before and were terrified when George Carlin, great comedian, did an imitation of JFK and they thought he was in club! Can you imagine!
That was the Cellar in Fort Worth. But you are correct they were tanked and more than one lost their I.D.s while visiting the Cellar. Interesting because more than one person claimed they were stopped by agents on the knoll who showed Secret Service I.D. even though the Secret Service stated they had NO ONE behind the picket fence.
It should be noted Dallas police officer Rodger Craig also maintained up to his questionable death that he witnessed the 45 slug being found beside the road. He described the slug as being bloody.
Craig was very unreliable: he claimed he saw Oswald get into a station wagon by the knoll right after the shooting - mind you, Craig changed his story around over the years. You might want to stop quoting Craig, lol.
@@peterfraser9070raig was not unreliable...he was a very good honest cop who even won officer of the year. Craig had 3 attempts on his life and still told the truth..if he was unreliable then they wouldn't keep on trying to kill him..he was fired for helping Jim build his case...I believe you should do more research on Craig and the assassination respectfully. A .45 slug proves conspiracy but the HSCA found evidence of a conspiracy so I don't need to prove that as it's in their report.
@@waltercrawford3639 I heard a theory that there was a Kennedy double in the motorcade just in case someone did try to shoot him. The real Kennedy wasn't shot.
@@peterfraser9070 And to say that Craig was very unreliable is an understatement. He also changed his story repeatedly regarding the rifle on the sixth floor. The first time he ever claimed that rifle to have been a Mauser was in the 1970s. But before that he had specifically said he had no idea what type of rifle it was, other than "foreign." He also said in 1968 that there was a Mauser, but that it was found on the roof, not the sixth floor. By the 1970s he acted as if he had never said any rifle was found on the roof, and instead transferred the "Mauser" from being found on the roof to being found on the sixth floor. And in his earliest statements he said nothing about ever once touching the rifle himself, but he later made up the obvious lie that he handled the rifle himself, even though all other witnesses either made no mention of such a thing, or else specifically said that the only two people who ever touched the rifle at all while it was on the sixth floor were Carl Day and Will Fritz. Craig also invented the lie, which he did not tell for the first time until the 1970s, that Seymour Weitzman pointed to the word "Mauser" on the rifle and called everyone's attention to it. But in no statement Weitzman ever made on any date in any year, spoken or written, did he say he saw any words, or letters, or numerals on the rifle.
How did Oswald get back in the USA after defecting to the USSR, and giving up his US citizenship. All at the height of the Cold War. Also, how did he end up working in a building that overlooked a presidential motorcade. A parade route that does an awkward slow turn at that very building. I was born at night, but not last night! To much coincidence….
@mickeydoolittle2057 Apparently, you were not born early enough. Oswald got his job at the TSBD on October 15, five weeks before the motorcade route was ever decided, and almost six weeks before it was made public.
@@stddisclaimer8020 That’s not much time before. A month or so. Seems suspect to me. Him getting his citizenship back that quick, seems unlikely during the Cold War. Just saying…I guess some will believe anything.
@@mickeydoolittle2057 Oswald never renounced his U.S. citizenship, thus there was nothing for him to get back, nor was there any law which prohibited him from returning to the U.S.
So according to him... Oswald missed his bus after 1:15, continued on his way, saw Tippet, turned around, causing the confrontation after Tippet had already been pronounced dead at Methodist hospital... In his opinion...😶
The problem with guys like this, is they have done some good work on part of the issue, but then make us lose interest in it because they say things we know not to be factual. There is sooooo much evidence against LHO NOT being the shooter, and that it is the CIA, Mafia and high up loop of intelligence agencies that got this done. Including some of the people who should have been protecting JFK, by that i mean his SS detail. Hiding information, taking the body away instead of leaving after the autopsy was performed, so the body could be altered. Absolute Joke!!!
Not true....that was not Oswald's bus stop and Oswald would have no reason to be there. Oswald was picked up at a different bus stop one block from his house and dropped off behind the theater. The real Oswald entered the Thester at 1:07 and was seen by numerous people trying to find a contact. The real Oswald was at the concession stand around 1:15 before heading back inside the theater. The fake Oswald killed Tippet and then left a trail of breadcrums leading the police to the theater where he went to the balcony. The police arrived and arrested the real Oswald and took him out the front door. The fake Oswald was lead out the back door as seen by two theater workers and a third witness outside.
Just a point about a 45 bullet versus a rifle bullet… Both the manlicher and the Mauser (which some say, was actually used) both had ammunition available with rounded tips… Particularly the ammunition that was produced during the wars in which these guns were used.
No Mauser was ever found, cops admitted they initially misidentified the unfamiliar Carcano at first. News film alone clearly proves it to be the Carcano, to which every bullet and fragment ever found were matched.
Many years ago it was in a Belgian newspaper that at least 4 people were shooting at JFK from several places. The story about 1 or more found bullets is known by many. Probably the appointed people already found other bullets before any one of the public could. There also was a (i think American) docu event on our television in which a specialist in ballistics tried to imitate the so called actions LHO did in trying to kill JFK on the same spot and the same time frame. He concluded that it was totally impossible with the so called rifle of LHO and also that the angles of the bullets did not matched the impact. Personally i also have big questions about the fatal bullet and firearm used with it. To me that looked as it was a new kind of explosive bullet which would not had been available to any one else than a big organisation...no civilian. And not matching an old kind of rifle.
It has been suggested that the headshot was made by a frangible bullet, one that breaks apart into multiple fragments at a high speed in all directions.
@@shuroom57 It has been suggested (with good reason) that your argument was made with flawed logic, an argument that breaks apart into multiple fragments when exposed to the harsh light of critical examination.
@@03333032 You're free to believe a version which breaks apart into multiple fragments when exposed to the harsh light of critical examination. That says much about you; none of it good.
Thanks for highlighting Buddy Walthers. So fascinating. His strange behaviour as an "acolyte" of Sherriff Bill Decker is bizarre to say the least. Thanks
Good information in this presentation. We now know that CIA operative Ruben Efron was opening Oswald s mail prior to the act. We know the FBI was monitoring Oswald and it was known he went to Mexico City and contacted a KGB agent. Why they weren’t putting Oswald on ice during the president’s visit is alarming ! Unless he was the patsy and they needed him there. We know an assassination plot was underway in Chicago that was foiled and that at least two Latin men got away. I wonder now if these same guys were the fellows that Mr. Meek speaks about meeting in Dallas with Oswald? I always question the Magic bullet theory because of a few things . One shot hit the curb down range (Tegue) was hit by a speck of debris. In the limo the chrome trim above the windshield was dented and there was also a hole or or impact in the windshield on the left side. One bullet goes through both men including rib and wrist bone contact lightly distorted ,but the head shot fragments causing the trim dent and windshield damage ? That trim dent was a sizable impact. I will never believe there was one shooter! The CIA and FBI dropped the ball at minimum and by this time any documents pointing to what we want to know is likely removed ad replaced to fit the Warren report. On a closing note I really think it’s implausible for a cop riding a motorcycle to tell the caliber of a bullet that bounces of the fender while in motion. I do think a bullet was found in the grass. Thank you Mr Meek for your hard work !
LHO did not go to Mexico City. He us documented being in TX, getting unemployment transferred from New Orleans, as d trying to see gov. Connelly to get an honorable discharge. Those were doubles seen in Mexico.
Oswald never went to Mexico City. The CIA sent an Oswald look-alike so they could use that as evidence that he was a lone nut who wanted to get a Visa to go to Cuba.
Regardless, the cia evidently knew the big event was going down real real soon, and stood down, thus adding to their never ending list of F ups. Allen Dulles being F UP #1.
I have an old library book from 1964 called Four Days,The Historical Record of the Death of President Kennedy by Catton, Bruce Publisher American Heritage. with alot of original photos & police transcripts from the assassination and the days after. back in 1991 a library neer where i live was giving old books out for free sometimes. and this book was among them. is it rare?, i dont know, but its super cool to have a 59 year old book covering the assassination. 🙂🎥📙
Fascinating bit about Oswald speaking Spanish. I was not aware of that Spanish speaking phone caller who called the rooming house and asked for O.H. Lee.!. Also... When LHO went to visit N.O. Atty Dean Andrews about getting his dishonorable discharge reversed/expunged, Andrews testified he saw him 4 or 5 more times and each time the same Mexican guy was with him, same Mexican guy he came in with the first time. He didn't say they were speaking Spanish, but it's suggestive that maybe Oswald could speak Spanish, or knew some Spanish, if he was hanging out with this Mexican man. Andrews also testified that the same Mexican was leaning against a display window of a store in front of which LHO was passing out his handbills.
There's also the two Oswald theory. According to that, one spoke fluent Russian and the other none at all. So maybe Spanish was the other one's thing? Whoever these men (or man) were, they were far from stupid.
One of the videos I watched showed a man that looked like Oswald, but was not Oswald that was detained and they didn't go into it any further, but I have seen other videos where they said there were two oswalds. One looked enough like the other one to be his twin brother almost. I don't understand why this subject has not been brought back up?
Fascinating Video. I learned so much about the JFK assassination and a lot of the minor personalities. Interestingly, Agent Barret was both at the Dealy Plaza when the 45 slug was found, and also at the Tippit murder scene when the wallet was found. He was questioned by Capt Westbrook concerning the I.D. of Oswald and H. Heidell. He is a major figure for good or bad in this sordid affair.
I know what you mean about wanting closure. Here's an aspect that I think has given "closure" for me... It's a long read! Apparently the entire DPD with all it's departments couldn't muster a single old reel-to-reel tape recorder for Oswald's interviews. Heck by that time many teenagers had tape recorders! To imply that tape recordings were rare or some kind of new technology, --I'm sorry nobody who knows anything about the 1960's would buy that line. Some history for context: Reel-to reel magnetic tape had started seeing use by some branches of government from the late 1940's and was in regular use even at many schools by the mid fifties. At the time of the JFK event, even the small "compact cassette" that lawyers still use today had already been available earlier that year. RCA tape cartridges, which had seen wide use for their convenience since 1958, were just months away from being discontinued. The old reel-to-reel audio recorders were positively "old hat" by then, and even many middle class teenagers had been given the cheaper but perfectly adequate reel-to-reel recorders for birthdays and at Christmas. More affordable Japanese offerings like the convenient, small and compact Sony 464 "Tapecorder" were readily available from early 1963, and these produced excellent recording quality. In 1963, Some government departments were still using bulky briefcase-sized or bigger reel-to reel recorders because of their robust mechanisms and familiarity to users. So my point is this: are we supposed to believe that a Boeing jet worth tens of millions of dollars could be availed for the service of a president, but a basic old reel-to-reel tape recorder was too much to ask for the exceedingly important investigation pertaining to the same president? Really? If for some bizarre reason there were just no tape recorders spare in any government department for several square miles, there remains no doubt that in a major city like Dallas, Texas, the Chief of the police department, J.E Curry, couldn't order his secretary or some underling to draw funds from his petty cash and rush to the nearest electronics store or home department store to buy one. Heck, I'm sure one could be hired for a few dollars a week! There is just no way to spin this. They had nearly 48 hours within which to tape record a simple statement and/or interview Oswald. This was especially important to do in the crucial first 24 hours after the shooting, whilst things are still fresh, and yet all they could muster was to scrawl some notes on a piece of paper? What? Really? Given the extreme profile of this case it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect them to have availed a camera, such as was used by TV reporters/crews, and with spare reels of tape at the ready, train a camera on every move of Oswald with audio of every grunt and syllable that emanated from his mouth. The bottom line is they were either all on very strong sedatives or they clearly had something to hide, and the latter is so obvious by now. Oswald was no ordinary scapegoat, and he had a main shadow job as a 'spook' that they felt nobody should ever know about!
@@jimmycricket5366 I believe it was pointed out very early that the hallway outside the interview room was full of men with recording equipment who would have cooperated. Also, I think a phone call or two to a leading citizen could have found somebody to bring them a private tape recorder, within the hour, if they wanted one. (I got a tape recorder for Christmas, myself, in 1965. )
@@hermanhale9258 Thank-you for the reply! I think what annoys me is the WC apologists today are dishonest when they try to paint the picture, especially to younger people, that the sixties were the dark ages and "new technology" like tape recording had hardly been used for investigations. Voice recordings in investigations started in the 1930's with wire tapes and recordings were in use in Germany in the 1920's. If a similar event happened today, it would be like saying, "Officials at the police station homicide department were unable to investigate the suspect's Facebook account because WiFi had not yet been installed at the central station..". To me, this blatant unwillingness to tape Oswald's interview is one of the top three "smoking guns". It very much ties in with "dead men don't talk". Clearly Oswald wasn't just a "nobody" like they like to tell us, and that was the "Achilles heel" to the whole cov-er-up.
Anyone who watches Ruth Paine being interviewed, and cannot see that she is highly trained in being deceptive and trained to be extremely mentally manipulative, shouldn't be trusted to hold their own lunch money.
I find this very interesting and agree with your analysis. The French connection is new to me. Thank you for your research. And you are correct it was not Oswald.
"And you are correct it was not Oswald." He is correct that what wasn't Oswald? The shooter in Dealey Plaza? The shooter of Tippit? If so, nope, it has never been proven that the shooter in either location was someone else besides Oswald, even if you were to argue that it also hasn't been proven that it was Oswald. If I'm wrong, say the full name of the Dealey Plaza shooter and also say the full name of the Tippit shooter (if that was a different person from the Dealey Plaza shooter) and please describe in detail your proof that you are naming the correct person or persons and not just making it up out of thin air or getting it from someone else who was just making it up out of thin air. Thanks. Oh, and it doesn't count if you name any of these, James Files Charles Harrelson Chauncey Holt Charles Nicoletti Johnny Roselli Lucien Sarti Frank Sturgis Malcolm Wallace W. R. Westbrook Roscoe White because not only have none of them ever been proven to have even been in Dealey Plaza at all that day, or proven to have been at the scene of the Tippit shooting that day, several of them have never been proven to have even been in Dallas that day, or in Texas that day, and a few of them have been demonstrated to almost certainly be total frauds. Well?
One of the shooters of Tippit was Ruby's buddy Larry Crawford it was Larry's coat that was found under the car supposedly by Cap'n Westbrook Larry Crawford looked like Oswald then the other shooter of Tippit was a guy who matched Ruby's description as stated by the witness in his truck as well as Acquila Clemmons statements to DPD officers
@@SuperErikRoss "One of the shooters of Tippit was Ruby's buddy Larry Crawford it was Larry's coat that was found under the car supposedly by Cap'n Westbrook" You seem to be talking about Curtis LaVerne "Larry" Crafard (not "Crawford") and your proof that that was Craford's coat that was found under the car is, what, exactly? "Larry Crawford looked like Oswald" Nonsense, I'm looking at photos of Larry Craford right now in the midst of typing this sentence, and he does not look especially like Oswald to me. "then the other shooter of Tippit was a guy who matched Ruby's description as stated by the witness in his truck as well as Acquila Clemmons statements to DPD officers" Say the full name of the witness in the truck who said not only that there were two shooters but that one of them looked like Jack Ruby. The only witness in a truck at the Tippit scene I know of is Domingo Benavides and I have seen him being quoted as saying there was only one shooter and that he looked like Oswald, and I have also seen and heard him on film saying there was only one shooter and that he looked like Oswald. And Acquila Clemons didn't say she saw two shooters. She said that after she heard the shots being fired she went outside and saw one man holding a gun, and across the street from him another man who was not holding a gun. And she is only one witness. What about the larger number of other witnesses who said that the man either was Oswald or looked reasonably similar to Oswald? Is there some reason why Clemons should be considered to be more credible than all those other witnesses combined?
@@Caeruleo ok buddy you're like my high school English teacher no matter how you say the word or spell the word its still the same word a rose by any other name is still a rose Larry Crawford or Larry Craford however you want to spell it is still Larry actually Lawrence is his name And Lawrence looked enough like Oswald to identify him as Oswald . I have only seen the video of Domingo Benevides stating he saw two men at the scene one of whom he described as matching Rubys description Which corroborate's Acquila's statement that she saw two men at the scene. I'm not real good at math but 1 + 1 = 2 as far as I can remember It's been quite some time since I been in school tho so forgive me if i have erred anyhoo more than one person makes it a conspiracy i'm pretty sure I hope that helps to clear things up 🙂
What i found interesting was the mention of a French connection and the name Jean Rene Souetre. This is the first time I have heard this name mentioned. It made me think of the TV documentary, The Men Who Killed Kennedy. In that programme, there is a mention of a french connection to the city of Marseille, which was a well known recruitment point for assassin's, and the series implied there may have been three shooters, one of them named as possibly Lucien Sartie. The other point is that, the investigator claimed that the men were flown out to Montreal, and then onward to europe.
That investigator also hilariously stated "I've become convinced Oswald had nothing to do with the assassination," a declaration so removed from reality it's impossible to take seriously anything that comes out of his mouth. The Men Who Killed Kennedy was lie-packed, paranoid rubbish made by gullible producers who fell for every conspiracy theory they were told and which gives endless screen time - and uncritical credibility - to the likes of Gordon Arnold, Robert Groden, Beverly Oliver, Jean Hill, Jim Garrison, Fletcher Prouty... all of them demonstrable liars and grifters. When they start lecturing about multiple Oswald clones running around Dallas all you can do is laugh.
@@garrywilliams8479 The implication is that the CIA routinely used hit men for certain jobs in North and South America, who had no profile in the US. I think Marseille was one of the international hubs for the recruitment of highly professional hit men, the others being Beirut and Hong Kong I believe. Marseille was also known as a hotbed of activity for the Corsican mafia, and a link to a major drug smuggling network into the US, if you have ever seen the film The French Connection, based on true events. The name Lucien Sartie, may have been a cover name, but I believe he was supposedly killed in a shooting in Mexico City, around 1970.
@@Qteskimo No doubt you will now finally deliver your ironclad evidence for this ridiculous assertion. Yes, somebody desperate to frame this on Oswald had a whole squad of guys firing away from multiple directions, that's brilliant.
Even more interesting: the parade route was never changed, it was accurately described in the Dallas newspapers right from the beginning, that was the standard parade route through Dallas and you can't drift between lanes to get to the onramp to the Stemmons Freeway where the motorcade was heading... and don't think Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone didn't know all that.
@@aaronz7056Most interesting? Seeing little Mockingbird 🐦 Aaron Z try to convince everyone here that his information is the only true information! Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheListOf "Most interesting? Seeing little Mockingbird 🐦 Aaron Z try to convince everyone here that his information is the only true information! Lol" Oh, you didn't know that it is indeed a proven fact that the motorcade route was never changed after it was first announced to the public three days before the assassination? Thus Aaron is entirely correct about that.
This is my problem with the JFK assassination. Oswald was 81m or 266ft from JFK when he was shot. He was shooting down at a 17-degree angle. JFK was sitting straight up when hit in the back and exited his neck. The bullet entered his back a couple inches below his neck and exited his throat higher than where it went in. Oswald was on the second floor shooting down at a 17-degree angle. The bullet was traveling upward in Kennedy's body. Then JFK grabbed his neck and leaned over toward Jacqueline. He sat back up pretty straight before the headshot. The headshot hit Kennedy near the right temple and blew the upper back of his head off. According to the Doctor's statements, the wound was 4 to 5 inches in diameter on the back of his head on the right side. He was sitting almost straight up leaning to the left slightly with his head tilted slightly forward. So the headshot would have had to go almost straight through his head almost parallel with the car. Remember he had a back brace on. He didn't slump over much when he was hit in the neck. Jacqueline climbed on the back of the car and retrieved a piece of his skull and brain matter. She gave this to the Doctors in the ER according to the Doctors. The Zapruder film shows all of this and shows his head being blown back. It also shows Jacqueline retrieving the skull/brain fragment. According to the autopsy photos and the Doctor's statements, the headshot went from front to back exiting slightly lower in the back. Connally was hit in the back just below the shoulder blade, and the bullet had gone completely through the Governor's chest, taking out part of the fifth rib. After leaving the body, he said, the bullet struck the Governor's right wrist, causing a compound fracture.
When describing firearms in cases where firearms are involved, the orator must be accurate 100% of the time. I've heard for an example here Oswald's snub-nosed revolver he took with himself when he changed clothes, referred to as a pistol. This is the same as someone talking about a pickup truck used in a crime in one sentence. Then calling it a car in the next sentence.
@@sgtcwhatley they both fall under the title of handguns. Then that breaks down into single shot, revolvers both single action and double action, and pistols being auto loading which eject brass. That was simplistic but helps explain it.
I have heard a minority (admittedly) of firearms experts defend the acceptability of referring to a revolver as a pistol. This is an arcane subject. In Spanish, for example, a revolver is often referred to as a pistola.
@@mnfowler1 when I had to make notes at calls I always took a look at the firearm(s) involved. Some may write “the perp had a shotgun”, now what gauge was it? Single shot, side x side, over/under, pump action, semiautomatic? Not to mention the serial # and loaded/ empty, loaded with how many rounds, proper name for the specific ammunition and brand of ammo found or headstamp details for surplus military ammo. Details matter if it’s going to see the inside of a courtroom.
@@14goldmedals what no one has mentioned is how effective the FBI was in the time it took them to obtain originals o from the mail order companys (1 in Chicago and 1 in California) the order slips for the weapons. Amazing! Does anyone know the time it took? 16 hours, if that ain't warp speed.
I am 77 yrs old already.. I read the early news of 1963 in the Internet about Limousin car of Pres, Kennedy there's a bullet hole in front mirror of it and they replace it the display at present in the mussium is not the original front mirror. who is the person who replaced it they know the connection of it..
☺️ I can’t remember where I heard/read this, but I thought a bullet casing/fragment was found imbedded in the front passenger door, and that an agent saw it & pocketed it once the limo had arrived at the hospital. [Please forgive me if I have any of the details wrong; long COVID has impaired my memory😢]
The car was completely cleaned almost immediately by government employees. Then Linden Johnson had the vehicle upgraded and he never used that vehicle and it's in the museum today. The car was never aloud to be part of the investigation. And the investigators never wanted to use the car as evidence. Because they knew it would blow their account out of the water. JFK was rushed away from the Dallas Hospital by secret service after he was pronounced dead, to Washington where the autopsy was done there and most of the facts were covered up. Including the fact that he was shot by two different angles. From the back to the front at the neck and from the front to the back at the forehead...the second shot blew JFKs brain out the back of his head and on to the back of the car. That fact would have been shown if the car was aloud to be investigated and if the autopsy was done in Dallas. Most of the investigation was a fabrication by the government to cover up a conspiracy the government and CIA and FBI planned and executed the murder of The President of the United States of America. Today you see the same old sh1t. The government is trying to destroy Donald Trump. There is absolutely dirty rotting corruption, murder, genocide. EVIL EVIL inhumane in our governments. They are all crimminals and they are using us. It's time good men rise up to crush this EVIL.
In that case you will of course be calling a press conference TOMORROW and presenting to the world your ironclad evidence she is a conspirator in murder and treason, and fearlessly and openly challenge her not to sue your butt for libel, yes?
@@aaronz7056 Yes a pity he also does not mention the long list of evidence that Oswald was a Naval Intelligence / CIA Asset in Russia, Fort Worth, New Orleans and Dallas. You can be sure Gary Frances Powers (U2 pilot) would have loved to compare notes with Oswald when he was released by the USSR in February 1962 having been shot down flying over Russia 6 months after Oswald went to defect there. :)
@@johnbellingham9067 There is no evidence Oswald had anything to do with that. You'll forgive me if I prefer to deal in the concrete evidence for Oswald's guilt in the assassination as you all but changed the subject there.
@@aaronz7056 Well, yes there is. When Lee Oswald told the US Embassy in Moscow that he was going to renounce his US citizenship he mentioned the bargaining chip of his knowledge of U2 flights gained working at Atsugi Airforce base in Japan as a radar operator. If he was not allowed to trade that information he would never have been allowed back into the US by the CIA. The defector program was designed to give misleading information mingled with accurate information to gain credibility with the Russians in the hope that the Russians would engage and thereby reveal other implicit information. Oswald was not intended to be a spy he was a sleeper. Coming back to the US early was his right but it did not make him very popular within the CIA. Lee Oswald mentioned Powers in a letter from Minsk to his older brother Robert Edward Lee Oswald Jr. The Warren Commission did not make much of the fact that Lee Oswald came from a fairly right-wing patriotic family related to the Confederate General Robert Edward Lee. His socialist/communist persona was a complete fake.
"Mysterious deaths list" is an hilarious hoax where everybody on it either had little or no connection to the case or else their causes of death were misreported to sound more "sinister."
The seven doctors in the trauma room at Parkland revealed their thoughts. Some of them belied the facts in 90s interrogatories, and at least two were brand new doctors. Years later doctors were interviewed who were in the trauma room at Parkland Hospital Hospital. Dr. Jenkins reported that many doctors who said they were there were not, like people jumping on a City Bus after an accident. The facts tell the tale of the wounds, and Dr. Sayler presented an accurate account of JFK's wounds. "Nothing prepared him for what he saw. "He was still breathing," he says. "It's sort of agonal, labored, close-to-your-last sort of breaths. But he still was breathing." As he looked down at the president's grave wound, Salyer says he thought it was a "major high-velocity injury." "And it's in a critical place," he said. "So the chances are pretty slim. And if he did survive, what would we have?" image.png President John Kennedy, who suffered from chronic back pain, wore a heavy, corset-like brace that went from his chest to below his waist. When the president's clothes were removed, Salyer was surprised by what he found. Kennedy, who suffered from chronic back pain, was wearing a heavy, corset-like brace that went from his chest to below his waist. He believes it cost Kennedy his life. He's looked at the autopsy report and studied, frame by frame, the 26-second Zapruder film, which captured the assassination and the wounding of Texas Gov. John Connally. The first shot that hit him went through the soft tissue of the back of his shoulder ... and exited through his trachea," Salyer says. "That same bullet went through John Connally's chest, through his right hand and into his thigh and knocked him completely down in the car." The next shot -- the fatal shot -- hit the president in the head. "And then this is the second shot of JFK. ... He's still upright as a target, because he has the brace on, which makes it possible for Lee Harvey Oswald to hit him with a second shot," Salyer says. "I think that would not have happened if he had gone down like John Connally did." Kennedy's injuries were massive. Just 30 minutes after the shooting, he was pronounced dead. "I'd lost my hero in my hands, and he was gone," Salyer says. It was then that Salyer saw Mrs. Kennedy approach her husband's body -- a scene he will never forget. "We had covered him up after pronouncing him," he says. "She came over and leaned over his chest and took his hand out and put a ring on and did a ring ceremony as I witnessed that very delicate moment." A delicate moment on one of America's most tragic days." I wrote Dealey Plaza - The End of Camelot. It explains everything about JFK's death and everything about Oswald. I was at the Sniper's Nest in Sep 67. An easy shot. It is all in the book. My neighbor in Wheaton, Md on Holdridge Rd was Emory Roberts. He was in charge of the Secret Service Detail riding right behind the President. After the shots were fired, he took charge. At Parkland, he immediately got Johnson into a limo to get to Air Force One to be flown away from Dallas and sworn in. Johsnon was sworn in on Air Force One at 2:30 p.m. two hours after JFK was shot. JFK was declared dead at 1 p.m. I researched this for years studying every conspiracy story, and all the operators and players in great depth. William Wells
Who you kidding son, you can't even place Oswald on the 6th floor at time of shooting let alone get people to believe a bunch of politicians. The jig is up son, nothing you can do to change that.
I've never heard of this dr. Sayler. Did he say he was in parkland? Every Dr. In parkland and most nurses all said the neck wound was an entry wound. Dr. Perry who did the trach later after being pressured by the FBI said he wasn't sure. It's hard to believe you've read so much about the assassination and still believe the bullet that entered his back went out through his neck. There is so much testimony that disputes that.
Salyer was a first-year resident in surgery at the time of the assassination, and so was also a "brand new doctor", it is worth noting. He also was occupied with placing an I.V. in JFK at the time of the examination and made no close examination of his wounds. His WC testimony is available in full at history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Salyer.pdf . His comments about the wounds quoted in this comment were based on the autopsy, which unquestionably misplaced JFK's back wound. I mention this not in support of any conspiracy theories but as bearing on the credibility of the quotes in the above comment.
Oswald was always headed for the Texas Theater, not some alternate location like 3126 Harlindale. There were several Cuban safehouses behind 1026 N. Beckley, so Cuban safehouses were no big deal to Oswald. First of all, he was supposed to take the bus and immediately south across the Trinity River was Tippit waiting with his cop car at the Gloco gas station to give Oswald a ride to the theater. Oswald abandoned the bus partly because of the traffic jam, but also because he was hearing JFK had been wounded. That wasn't part of the plan. The plan was for harmless bullets to fly past JFK's head, just as they had with the Gen. Walker training session. Once Oswald was hearing about JFK being wounded, he needed his pistol for back up. As Michael Paine said at Bell Helicopter, as soon as he heard on the radio Oswald had been captured, "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have any gun on him!" The plan is clearly exemplified by the 6:30 am visit of the Dallas Police to the theater on Nov. 22, to shove janitor Tom Bowden out of the way as reported to Laura Kittrell. They wanted to explore the layout of the rooms, how the hallways interconnected, and how everything went out to the back alley where Oswald was going to be chased and gunned down. The plan was for the theater. His flight from the scene of the assassination was scripted to parallel John Wilkes Booth fleeing Ford's Theater, and another American classic was going to be replayed in the theater alley. Just like John Dillinger had been gunned down in the Biograph Theater alley in Chicago, as Sam Giancana knew well. But the cops had to get their dance steps ready for their pending afternoon matinee performance, so they were there for an early morning study session. That plus the guys at the shoe store, later reporting a squirrelly non-paying Oswald, were buddies of Jack Ruby. The plan fed to Oswald was that just like Gen. Walker had a harmless sham assassination bullet zoomed past his head, the same would be done for JFK. If JFK thought a Castro sympathizer had done the deed, he would get mad and invade Cuba the right way the next time around. This would make the commie pretender Oswald a key player and rehabilitate his reputation with the CIA from bum to hero after his botched job in Russia. The torn half of a dollar bill in his wallet was to recognize his CIA escape driver at the theater and the other torn half of a dollar bill was to recognize his CIA escape pilot from the Dallas Red Bird Airport. All Oswald had to do was hide inside the book depository for a universal alibi while others did the shooting. Get on another spiffy spyboy city bus to escape, and he was home free to rendezvous with Tippit at the Gloco gas station just south of the Trinity River into Oak Cliff. Tippit would get him to the Texas Theater, and the CIA would babysit him from there. That's why Oswald only had $13 on him when arrested, and had left $130 behind at Ruth Paine's for Marina. Oswald expected once he got to the theater he would be on government dole easy street. He didn't know the cops would approach slowly from the front inside the theater, trying to spook him to the back alley where multiple Dallas cops would be waiting to gun him down and complete the Dillingeresque story line. On the bus Oswald was hearing about JFK being wounded. That wasn't supposed to happen, and he now needed his pistol for security. As Michael Paine said at Bell Helicopter, as soon as he heard Oswald had been arrested, "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have a gun on him!" But a desperate Oswald deviated via taxi for his pistol and a cop car honked for him at 1026 N. Beckley at 1:00 pm. Oswald shortly after rushed out and likely got into that cop car around the corner for a quick trip to the Texas Theater. The honking cop car seen and heard by Earlene Roberts had two cops inside, and Tippit's car at Tenth and Patton had an abandoned Dallas Police shirt tossed into the back seat. So when Tippit was heading to the theater with Oswald he likely was carrying a pretend cop who removed his shirt near Tenth and Patton then shot Tippit. The plan for Tippit was drop Oswald off at the theater, go to Tenth and Patton for last minute instructions from Westbrook about killing Oswald back at the theater to be a big national hero, and live a lush life after that. Because Westbrook helped set up Tippit to be shot, to become an excuse to draw police from Dealey Plaza to Oak Cliff (a late library book wouldn't do), Westbrook was rewarded later with a cushy CIA job in Saigon, as advisor to South Vietnamese police. This promotion was awarded by Edward Lansdale, head coordinator of the mechanics for the whole JFK assassination. At the theater Oswald came in and sat next to a potential driver, but got no recognition signal. He got up to the concession stand and came back to sit next to another candidate CIA driver. Oswald kept going to the concession stand and sitting next to a new candidate every few minutes, and made himself look like a pandering freak in the process. After about 5 tries the cops came in the front way, approached Oswald slowly from the front, and gave him every chance to run off to be shot in the back or in the alley. For once Oswald realized he was being set up. Meanwhile the doppelganger Oswald had come in without paying, to provide an excuse for a police raid. Doppelganger hid upstairs and was fake arrested to downstairs and the back alley after Oswald was arrested out the front. Doppelganger Oswald was seen a few minutes later by mechanic T.F. White behind the wheel of PP4537 and later in the afternoon was seen fleeing Dallas on a CIA cargo flight to New Mexico, as witnessed by Air Force Sgt. Bob Vinson. Doppelganger's companion looked a lot like David Sanchez Morales, like the guy who drove him away from the book depository hillslope about 12:35 pm in a station wagon as seen by Roger Craig. So much was devoted to getting Oswald to the theater, and framing him there, that this was clearly the unique place for cornering Oswald and presumably silencing him. The runaway John Wilkes Booth part of the story worked OK for the assassination plotters, but the Dillinger part missed the mark.
@@MrAmbassador11 Have you any evidence which rebuts the evidence presented by not only the WC but also the HSCA? The answer is NO. Thus, you have no business even leaving a comment....
45 cal is also a popular black powder bullet even in black powder rifles, and smoke as seen by dozens of witness from the area of the fence atop the grassy knoll is consistent with a black powder firearm Discharge.
James Files claims a REMINGTON FIREBALL hand /rifle gun was used on the grassy knoll fence line. Brand new just introduced that year. FIREBALL name used in marketing because of smoke rings it produced. James files Texas inmate self proclaimed shooter. Video here on youtube.. more than BS but the Remington fireball interesting reference. The guns design silhouette..matches perfectly artwork that was put on the wall by KIMBELL Family art SOCIALITE for JFK Texas Hotel suite last night alive. The Ft Worth collection of artwork also had "The towers" building with open windows artwork....
@@rawbacon Ive seen photos taken from 18 fps still frame 8mm shot from across dealy plaza film shooter Nixon and dentist Bronson filming positions. Opposite angle of Zapruders doctored re-timed film. The cover up of all the 8mm gathered that day taking placed at sr 71 contractor film processing Kodaks Haweye film labs Rochester. weekend after the 22nd. Saturday to Sunday night . Thats where all the magic happened. That all came out in the 1990s house select committee on JFK assassination.
It's a totally different bullet, just in the same caliber. The regular .45 ACP is pressed into its case and is way different than the .45 that is pushed down with a ramrod and not part of a cartridge. No way to mistake one for the other.
Right, he was shot from the sewer. Have known that my whole life. That is the key thing that was covered up. The government knows this and that is why they won't release the JFK FILES.
@@Ruby-eh2cr "Right, he was shot from the sewer. Have known that my whole life." There is no possible way you could have "known" that since it has never come anywhere even remotely close to being proven that any shot was actually fired from the sewer, or that a man could even fit inside the sewer in the first place. Don't you mean that you have "believed" that your whole life, as it merely being your opinion? Also, the sewer was too low. JFK's head would not have been visible from that position. Even if a shooter could have fit in there, the shooter would have had to have fired through the side of the car to hit JFK's head. Also the exit damage on his head would have to be different from the damage to his head described at both Parkland and Bethesda. The exit would have been on the upper left of his head. But while Parkland and Bethesda appeared to disagree on some aspects of where the most serious damage to his head was, they both agreed that there was significantly more damage in the right half of his skull than in the left half. That is all wrong for a shot from the sewer. "That is the key thing that was covered up. The government knows this and that is why they won't release the JFK FILES." Oh, the government is not releasing the files specifically because the government "knows" that there was a shot from the sewer? I seriously doubt that's the reason, and you'll be helplessly unable to prove that it is, since you can't even prove there was a shot from the sewer in the first place.
@Caeruleo I stick to my statement and will answer all your question later . Unless the story is leaked before I get a chance . I am too tired to do it right now . But will later.
@@Ruby-eh2cr "I stick to my statement and will answer all your question later . Unless the story is leaked before I get a chance . I am too tired to do it right now . But will later." Well, it's been three days since I received the email notification that you had posted this reply to me and I still see no further evidence produced by you. And I stand by *my* statement that the sewer was too low for a shot like that to work. Once again, even if a shooter could fit in that sewer, the shooter would not even be able to see JFK's head at all from that position. Photographic evidence from multiple sources proves that JFK was leaning far over to his left in the last second before the head shot. A shooter aiming from the sewer would have had to fired through the side of the car to hit JFK's head. Also, I have been studying this assassination since 1988 and in all that time I have never once seen anything even remotely similar to proof that an adult man could even fit inside that sewer at all. No one has ever produced proof of the exact dimensions of the inside of the sewer that I recall ever seeing. Also I've never seen any proof of exactly where the shooter would have had to enter the sewer system and how he would have been able to find his way to the opening from which this shot was allegedly fired. Unless you can prove all of that, you don't have a case.
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs "Plus you can see the 3 men on the stairs jump in unison when the shot is fired so it cannot be covered up." Those three men on the stairs include Emmett Hudson and a man in a bright red sweater. The man in the red sweater seems to throw up his hands in horror when JFK's head explodes and turns to run up the stairs, looking back behind him at the limousine while he does so. He appears to be reacting to seeing JFK's head explode rather than to hearing the sound of the shot. And Emmett Hudson himself testified that all three shots sounded as if they came from much farther away, from the general area of the TSBD. He never said anything about any one individual shot sounding much louder and/or closer to him than the others. "You are a disinfo agent." ROFL! So just because a person honestly disagrees with you about the JFK assassination that automatically makes them a "disinfo agent"? Nonsense. It is actually you people who claim that it is a proven fact that JFK was shot from the sewer who are the real disinfo agents, because you are falsely claiming unproven speculation to be proven fact. "The final shot came from that sewer opening" Nope, that has never been proven to be true. You are merely speculating or getting this from someone else who was merely speculating. I say again, correctly and truthfully, at the time of the fatal head shot JFK was already leaning far over to the left toward Jackie. After he is wounded in the upper back and throat and he raises both of his hands in front of his mouth and throat you can see Jackie put her white-gloved hand on his left arm and appear to draw him toward her between frames 230 and 310 or so of the Zapruder film, and her hand can be seen on his left arm in the Altgens6 photo also. Thus his head would not have been visible to a shooter in the sewer. You are acting as if his head was still way over at the right side of the car by then and that is not true. I am indeed correct when I say that the one and only way a shooter in the sewer could have hit his head would be to fire through the side of the car. If you claim I'm wrong about that, then it is indeed you who is the disinfo agent, not me. Prove that the fatal head shot was fired from the sewer. Just saying it was isn't good enough. You have to also prove that it was by discussing solid evidence of it in detail. Otherwise it is indeed you who is the disinfo agent. Say the full name of any witness who said they saw a shooter in the sewer, and also quote that person's exact words saying so, and also name the original primary source of the quote so that the rest of us can see for ourselves that you are quoting them accurately. Oh oops, that's right, none of the 200+ Dealey Plaza witnesses who ever gave statements of any type about the shooting ever claimed that, so you'll have no one to name or quote. Say the full name of any witness who said that even one of the shots sounded like it came from the sewer, and also quote that person's exact words saying so, and also name the original primary source of the quote so that the rest of us can see for ourselves that you are quoting them accurately. Oh oops, that's right, none of the 200+ Dealey Plaza witnesses who ever gave statements of any type about the shooting ever claimed that, so you'll have no one to name or quote. Say the full name of any person who took a film or photograph clearly showing a shooter in the sewer. Oh oops, that's right, no such film or photograph exists, so you can't truthfully name any such person. So where's the actual proof of a shooter in the sewer? Are you going to produce such proof for the first time ever, or are you just going to continue to evade it and falsely claim that people who are rightfully challenging your assertions to be "disinfo agents" when it's really you who is the disinfo agent? And if there was a shooter in the sewer to JFK's right, or right front, why wasn't there any exit damage on the *left* side of his head? The Parkland doctors and nurses consistently said that the hole they saw was in the *right* rear of his head, not the left. Would you like me to quote them verbatim saying exactly what I claim they said, along with naming the original primary sources of the quotes? I can very easily do so, as I have done previous times on the internet. And if the fatal head shot came from the sewer, why do frames 312-313 show JFK's head suddenly jolting forward upon being struck by the bullet? And don't lie and tell people here that that's not true, because it is irrefutably proven in these two UA-cam videos: "Analysis Of JFK Zapruder Film Frames 312 and 313" posted by oldgoldtop on December 5, 2016 "JFK NEW FILE RELEASE NEW FILM !!! NOT back & left, NOT back and." posted by birdandthe on December 27, 2013 You do realize that you'll make yourself look like a fool if you claim those two videos don't show what I claim they show, since everyone else, including your own fellow conspiracy believers, can easily go look at those videos for themselves and see plain as day that they do indeed show what I say they show, correct? And both John and Nellie Connally said all the shots they heard sounded as if they came from behind the limousine and none from any other direction. They also both said that immediately after the third and final shot they saw pieces of JFK's brain land all over them and all over the inside of the car. Would you like me to quote their exact words saying so? Roy Kellerman said that immediately after the fatal head shot he saw flesh come flying forward between him and the driver, William Greer. Would you like me to quote his exact words saying this? So how does a shot fired from the right, or from the front right, cause so much material from JFK's head to exit forward from his head? Explain that in detail, please. "and yes this has been a major part of the coverup" According to you. But all you're doing is saying it's true without producing any evidence whatsoever that proves it's true. "and yes they intentionally changed that sewer opening" Even if they did, so? The sewer was still too low for the shooter to see JFK's head at that time. JFK's head was too far over to the left at that time. His head was no longer close to the right side of the car. This is the mistake you appear to keep making. "and yes it was a clear shooting lane back then" Nope. The photographic evidence proves irrefutably that JFK's head was too far over toward the middle of the car for such a shot to work. "and no you cannot lie about it" Since I'm not lying, that statement is nonsensical. "because 3 men standing on the stairs jumped in unison when the fireball was fired." How do you know that they didn't jump at the sight of JFK's head exploding open instead of due to the sound of the shot? Quote them verbatim in their own exact words saying specifically that it was the sound of the shot that startled them, instead of the sight of JFK's head exploding open, and name the original primary sources of the quotes. Oh but oops, that's right, only one of the three men, Emmett Hudson, was ever identified and ever made any documented statements about the shooting, and he never said anything about being startled by the sound of the fatal head shot, and as I have *correctly* said above, said that none of the shots sounded as if they were fired from any closer to him than the others. Oh, and you are incorrect: all three of the men do not jump. Only two of them do, the two unidentified men, one of them being the man in the red sweater I mentioned above. Hudson, however, just stands there. He does not jump, nor is he seen to move at all in the Muchmore and Nix films.
The disappointing thing about this video is that Mr. Meek does not go very far in drawing conclusions about 3126 Harlandale, Dallas, Texas, which was reportedly visited more than once by accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. The implication that is unstated in this video is that Oswald may have had reason to believe that some of his Cuban friends, who lived at or nearby this address, would help him to lie low for a while and eventually to escape. I was pleased to learn from this video just who Dep. Sheriff E.R. "Buddy" Walthers' mysterious informant was. It was his own mother-in-law, Lillian V. Robinson. I had previously drawn the conclusion that the discrepancy in Walthers' two memos regarding the exact address showed that he had not visited the location and was only reporting hearsay. (At least when he wrote the first memo, he either had not been there or had not paid attention to how the houses on that street were numbered. You see, he initially said the house number was 3128.) The contradictory aspect of Meek's own information is that he says that a city directory showed the occupant of 3126 in 1963 to be someone named William A. McDaniel. Then, later in the talk, he says that the occupant was Jorge Salazar. He is pleased that the address was the same--3126--but he does not comment on the different names of the resident, except to say that McDaniel was not the owner of the house, according to the directory. (Which directory, I wonder?) I had looked into this matter myself after I first saw Walthers' memos a year or two ago. By consulting Polk's City Directories for Dallas in the 1960s, I learned that Jorge Salazar was listed as the head of the household and that he resided at 3126 before 1963 and after 1963--perhaps as late as 1966, as I recall. This calls into question the information in Walthers' second memo that said the Cubans staying at 3126--according to Mrs. Robinson, who lived at 3130--moved out between November 16 and 23.
Why could she not be sure whether it was the weekend before the assassination or the weekend following it, or sometime in between? And did she mean she thought that there were Cubans staying in the house other than Salazar and his wife (Rosa) who moved out, or that she thought that everyone moved away including the Salazars. (If she thought that, she was mistaken.) It is my understanding that other Cubans--who may have gathered at the Salazars' place from time to time--actually lived within a few blocks of 3126, having had their own residences in the same neighborhood. Let us face it. Mrs. Robinson was, to put it charitably, the unofficial neighborhood watch; and to put it uncharitably, she was a busybody. As likely as not, she probably misinterpreted a lot of what she saw going on at her neighbor's house. That does not mean that she was not onto something in spite of herself. Lee Oswald probably did visit Salazar, who along with other Cubans in the neighborhood did have political connections that Oswald might have shared. (Whether pro-Castro or anti-Castro, or both, this was confused--some think deliberately.) If Oswald was, as Meek believes, being set up as a patsy, Oswald must have believed that Salazar or one of his neighbors would help him. (Who is to say he was necessarily on his way to Salazar's house when he might have known the address of one of the other Cubans he met at Salazar's?) If, on the other hand, Oswald did assassinate President Kennedy, did some of the Cubans in the neighborhood around Harlandale know about it? Were they in on it?
I'm still waiting for Mr. Meek to explain how the people supposedly framing Oswald for these crimes knew: - he would show up unexpectedly at the Paine house Nov. 21, otherwise they can't pretend they smuggled the rifle - nobody would ever find any bullets or fragments that don't match to his rifle - no unidentified persons would ever be caught inside the building - Oswald would immediately flee the crime scene - Oswald would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff - Oswald owned a revolver, where it was, and he would obtain and retain it - Oswald would decide at the last minute to put a jacket on, then discard it - an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene - the cop won't simply outdraw the imposter, capture him and blow the whole plot - Oswald will not be able to prove he was elsewhere during the shooting - Oswald will be seen trying to hide from and dodge police - Oswald will be caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop - Oswald will fight like such a maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him - Oswald will observe, "Well they say it only takes a minute to die," after asking police about the penalty for cop-killing - Oswald will lie to police, starting with about his whereabouts during the assassination - Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator - Oswald will act so smug and placid he will even convince his own brother he is guilty - Oswald will refuse help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association - Oswald will make no attempt to blow any conspiracy to anybody - Oswald will just shrug a hollow, unsurprised, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" - the Dallas PD will be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children - they can safely count on scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, Oswald family members, whole commissions, etc., to obey illegal orders to commit grave crimes, assist a coup, and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason....
I was born in 1978. I think it was around the 25th anniversary, in 1988 when I first became aware of the assassination and the questions surrounding it. Sometime between then and when JFK came out in late 1991 I became VERY interested in the assassination! The first thing I recall seeing was the very end of the Kennedy miniseries. The actual parade through Dallas, the shooting, and the aftermath. This woulda been in 1988 I think. A station probably had re-aired it for the anniversary. I found it a little disturbing for some reason. Later on in life I bought it on DVD and it was a little gorier than I thought it would be for a TV movie. Nothing conspiratorial in that though. But between seeing that and the movie JFK coming out I had seen the mock trial of Lee Harvey Oswald, a special called The JFK Conspiracy narrated by James Earl Jones, and The Kennedy Assassinations which also covered the murder of Bobby Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, and the Watergate cover-up. I went and saw JFK in my local theater. My mom had to go up front and tell them it was ok to see this R rated movie cause I wasn't 16 yet, lol!
I applaud you James for taking an interest into one of the most important and tragic moments in our history. I got hooked in the 80s when the 25th anniversary was being talked about. From then on I’ve read about 20 books on the subject. I’ve studied it for about 35+ years now. The two that got me really becoming knowledgeable was THE KILLING OF A PRESIDENT by Robert Groden. And No1 was BEST EVIDENCE by David Lifton. A must read please do. I’m doing a presentation on the 60th anniversary in my town in Nov. This history cannot be forgotten and for the people a lot younger then you need to know about this. If you’d like to chat about this. Let me know. R
@@ronmarvicsin7709 David Lifton never got around to explaining three important things: a) how you steal bodies and switch caskets around within the cramped, crowded confines of Air Force One without being caught, without leaving a trace of blood anywhere, and with the plane surrounded by onlookers at both airfields b) how you safely approach scores of Secret Service, FBI, Air Force One personnel, military personnel, doctors, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, witnesses, etc. and persuade them all to obey illegal orders to commit crimes (thus confirming a conspiracy exists to every one of them), trust each other implicitly assisting a coup, and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason c) how it was a better idea to steal bodies, switch caskets, perform surgeries, alter wounds, fake x-rays, conceal evidence, forge photos, falsify reports, commit perjury by the dozens and pile cover-ups atop cover-ups instead of just leaving well enough alone and just saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any conspiracy just fine... That said, I did enjoy Lifton's classic article "Is Jim Garrison Out of His Mind?"
@@ronmarvicsin7709 Robert Groden's record: a) screens Zapruder's film at videotaped lectures with a fake soundtrack peppered with phony gunshots all over it and never once tells his audience it's a forgery on his part as he treats every last one of them like a gullible idiot b) gives his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as he accuses the man, with zero evidence, of being a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories" c) rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda d) acknowledges the three tramps were ID'd an cleared, then later refers to the "so-called tramps!" e) volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial as a photo expert (to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy, natch) and ended up making a complete, discredited fool of himself on the stand f) stages bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers....
@@aaronz7056 Hi Aaron , well let’s see if I can come close to your question. First off it’s been number of years since I read his book. I do believe he was working on his second book. Maybe he was going to talk about that more. A. Switching caskets , stealing bodies? First of. I don’t believe anything was done on the plane. As you said there were to many people around right in the open. I believe and what gather now, is that David believed it was done between the airport and Bethesda. I remember reading that there were helicopters landing at Bethesda and even the people interviewed who worked with Kennedy’s casket said they heard multiple choppers. Now you’re familiar with some of the guys saying the casket arrived earlier than reported. How just a few navy men helped bring in a shipping casket? Then later after things had been done like X-rays etc the X-ray guy said he was walking upstairs with Kennedy’s X-rays in his hands when the limo with Jackie, Bobby Kennedy pulled up in front of the hospital with the fancy casket he was put into at Dallas. Don’t quote me but I think they said that the autoosey started at like 7:05?? But Paul O’Connal said it didn’t start until 8pm. And even ge said that when he opened the shipping casket, the president was in a body bag. Dr Humes was involved with the altering the body, if not he sure kept his mouth shut when he learned things after huh? BtW there wouldn’t be a problem with blood. You’re dead your heart doesn’t pump blood, it’s pooled down to the lowest part of the body, Liver Mortis. B. Good question. Not sure the simplistic answer but did Lifton really need to answer that in his book? Best evidence like he said was the body. There was a rogue element that pulled this off no doubt but how everyone fell in line? Some of them hated Kennedy so that’s not a surprise. Some had to follow orders such as the navy guys. Court martial was a scary thing which could easily ruin their lives. I remember one of the Dallas doctors saying that the throat wound was an entrance wound several times. Then he said after numerous harassing calls and visits to his house he changed his statement to either an exit or entrance wound. So pressure from THEM /THEY, kept them in line. Also there are organizations that are very secret, very secret that no one would ever know who they are that might pressure these witnesses. I won’t even say the name out loud. Then again if you think about the secrecy you’re talking about, people have been talking ever since it happened. Even more since the Z film was shown in 75 and then in the movie JFK. If LHO was the line assassin, no outside help, why the hiden files? Why was the autopsey so badly botched? Why still won’t they let us see the remaining files? Just imagine but be careful, of the things that our government has gotten away with without us having any idea? C. Ok see if I can make this short. Let’s say they omit there was a conspiracy, right? Well then the powers to be would have been very unhappy because when they investigated and found ummm CIA, FBI SS, mofia, J. Edgar Hoover, Johnson not to mention I believe George Bush Sr , wait, that could never happen. Plausible deniability.! Those involved at the upper most part of the pyramid would never be caught because no paper trail would lead back to them. Also, if the American people heard conspiracy, they would right away look at Cuba/Soviets. Remember how nicely Oswald was set up as defecting from the US to go to USSR? Bringing home a Russian wife etc this was part of the patsy excuse Lee said out loud. Everyone in the 60s was afraid and hated every Red Commie. This way it was easy for them to blame a little weird guy who defected from our country. Getting the American people pissed off for killing our president would mean we want revenge. Let’s kick Cubas ass first like the CIA wanted to do in the first place. The Bay of Pigs, Allen Dulles was behind that which got him fired. So the reason that they couldn’t admit at the time or maybe even now that it was an over throw of our own country is because it would have started WORLD WAR III . Omg I don’t know if I answered your question but this wasn’t in Ailton’s book I don’t think and like I said it wasn’t what his book was about, most just the medical side and the altering of his wounds was his thing. My answers were from years of studying and ha ga , “thinking.” :)
There never were any curtain rods, as Frazier's mother verified. Fritz leaned on Frazier to invent the story to help frame Oswald. Otherwise Fritz was going to charge Frazier with killing JFK.
Fritz was a snake in the grass, and if this guy has discovered anything, it would be that! Also, the department had a " recording room". They also had recordings of the police radio traffic from that day. A department of that size, and they didnt have recorders is a bs lie!
Nitpicky, but important when discussing topics of great contention - At 42:30 Meek says that ATF was watching someone in Nov 1963 on gun purchases, but the ATF proper did not exist until 1972.
@@valentinius62 Also the voice on the tapes, allegedly of "Oswald" calling the Soviet Embassy, were sent to Dallas the night of 11/22 and when the FBI agents in Dallas interrogating Oswald listened to them they told JE Hoover that the man on the tape was NOT OSWALD! JEH then told LBJ about this and about the mystery-man/LHO Imposter photos in MC.
Mike Pain looked so much like Oswald....recently it's been in a video that , it's believed Mike Pain was impostoring Oswald at different locations as part of Patsy set up.
After watching the stabilized Zapruder film frame by frame and zoomed in. I believe the shooter on the grassy knoll hit the governor. The angle was wrong for the headshot from the grassy knoll also. It had to have come from the front of the car. There is no way Oswald hit Kennedy in the back/neck. Kennedy would have to have been leaning bent over forward a long way for the neck shot to work from Oswald. He was sitting straight up. He would have to have been looking at the grassy knoll for the headshot to work, he wasn't. He was looking forward.
18:46 The bullets the Carcano used had a round tip as pointed ones wouldn’t come until after the Carcano was invented so The shooter used older cheap bullets
@berniehayes8425 You have it wrong. It was fibers from the blanket which were found on package within which Oswald wrapped the murder rifle. On a back note, your bollocks contained no imprint.
@@carlgreisheimer8701agree but it was what was found along with a piece of skull fragment. It could have been used for effect. A lot of the shots didn’t have a report meaning they were loaded subsonic likely with a silencer. The bullet that entered JFK’s back didn’t go through him. As well as the bullet shot in his throat didn’t penetrate through the back of his neck. So they might have used larger calibers for more effect since speed would be limited.
It’s crazy to me that everyone seems to remember the “pandemic” totally differently than I do. I was never kept in my home. I went to work every day. I went to the store when I needed to. I just had to wear a mask all the time. That was the only change in my life. Apparently the rest of the country , and world for that matter , experienced it a lot differently
@@karenhayne7812 well I do remember people getting sick. I never did . Didn’t get the shot either . I just meant for me there was never a lockdown. I went to work, hell we worked a lot of overtime too, went to store , got gasoline when needed it . I just had nothing like a lockdown
@@gocatgo74123 so why does everyone seem to talk about the epidemic shutdown like they were stuck inside and couldn’t go anywhere? I’ve heard lots of people talk about it these last few months .
The most reasonable scinario ive heard so far was one claiming several shots and the kill shot coming from a storm drain. They went over the zepruter film and found it was altered and splices removed making it appear the car never stopped but eye witness and the jegectory of the shots and the tampering of the film proved otherwise. The evidence is very compelling.
"Most reasonable..." Storm drain would be a lousy vantage point. Film was in custody, processed, copied, distributed and viewed by investigators and media reps far too quickly to have been screwed with. Kennedy's massive exit wound exploding at the right temple is consistent only with a shot from behind. Connally's said the shots came from behind. Autopsy proves the shot came from behind. Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos. All bullets and fragments ever found matched to Oswald's rifle. Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. Anybody firing a gun in that sewer would be absurdly obvious. It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter from the TSBD while shooting Kennedy nearly point blank in the face from in front.
@@aaronz7056 a Parkland Hospital doctor wrote a book about his experience. He said the one to the throat was an entry wound. Not an exit wound. He was there.
@@rajay777 Dr. Charles Crenshaw's claims: a) He played a major role in the trauma room. He backed off this claim later, said his publishers were taking artistic license, and in fact his role was minor (which hardly inspires confidence). b) He saw the throat wound was an entrance wound. According to his own words he arrived at the trauma room with Dr. McClelland... who didn't arrive at the trauma room until after the tracheostomy had already obliterated the throat wound's original appearance. c) He was sure the shots came from the front. Funnily enough, other, more senior doctors are plainly seen at their first press conference speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, trajectories, etc. Yet the more junior doctor Crenshaw said he was "sure." d) Back of Kennedy's head blown out. Crenshaw's own words consistently refer to the "side" of the head. e) Parkland doctors were afraid to talk about the shooting for fear of reprisals. Those doctors were talking openly and freely about the assassination from the time it happened, several times to conspiracy authors. f) An army of cops arrived at the theater to arrest a man for not paying admission. The man, Oswald, was a good match for the suspect just seen murdering a police officer nearby. There are others, but it's gettin' late.
I read recently on the " Two Oswalds" where supposedly there were 1Lee Harvey Oswald 2 LeeOswald both of whom looked eerily similar and and one wasn't aware of the other but both were used in the plot, the you tube video i watched was excellent and had me doubting any other theory ?
@@robinboucherwonderfulflight sorry you didn't read my comment properly I Said 1 was called Lee Harvey Oswald and the other was called Lee Oswald neither knew the other and I don't know if there mothers or father's or aunt and uncles and brothers and sisters knew each other or were related and I don't know if they had a cat or dog or a parrot or a pet rat called robinbounce or even if anyone called Robin is intelligent enough to do there own homework like I did . I think you would be better with a dot to dot book or and etchasketch and leave the serious stuff to the thinkers .
Yes. I remember thinking years ago how different "Oswald" looked in his Marine Corps photos. One looks big and strapping, the other kind of wimpy and goofy looking. There were at least 3 "Oswalds", like the old guy down in Mexico City who didn't look anything like Lee or Harvey. Given that this was the height of the Cold War, it's more than likely there multiples posing as individuals on both sides. Spy games. I think men like the Oswalds and Ruby were committed Patriots. I'd be curious to know how much on board they were with all this, that is, a domesticate ooeration involving the assassination of the President? The patsy Oswald looked rather bewildered at times when he was first arrested, and rather cynical at moments. In other photos after his capture he seems more cheerful, because I think they told him they were going to extricate him from that situation. Somebody had to do this stuff like murdering Lee Bowers, Dorothy Killgallen, DeMorgenschild and the others...and who knows how many we never even heard of since the days of the OSS during WW 2. "Wet work". But I don't think it was within the realm of these guys, the Oswalds and Ruby I mean. They come across as being more like actors for intelligence orchestrated dramas. Also, I'm convinced that Ruby never shot Oswald. He was there, but he didn't know why. Orders. He left his beloved dog in the car ohtside the police station which was really weird. The "shooter" and Ruby weren't the same man. If you look at the booking photos and TV footage of Ruby after his arrest, you can see they wore different socks (light vs. dark). Hell, they even have Oswald's right pant leg pulled up a bit so we can see in a full-length mugshot (and why a full length mug shot? They stopped doing those by at least 1920 I thought) Taunting us. A big joke. Also, the two men's hairlines on the backs of their necks are obviously not the same. We never clearly see the shooter's face. The police captain made it a point to write down that Oswald was given a choice between a light vs. dark sweater to wear. That he chose the dark one. Seriously? It was a blank. No blood. Fake. All a big show to get one of their agents out. Ruby knew he had terminal cancer. Provably lived like a king for his remaining years. That's show biz!😅
This may have little bits of things/information in it, as most videos do. The problem for me in this video is that there is factual information that Ruth Paine truck picked up LHO out the back of the DSBD building. Other than that, again, there is factual information about the fact it wasn't LGO who shot Tippet... this has been shown to be a set up. Also LHO couldn't have found himself in all the places in time if he had gone via the route explained in this video.
Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend the next 60 years watching armchair detectives opining away and libeling her as a conspirator in murder and treason with zero evidence. It's sickening. Demonstrable serial liar Roger Craig's laughable claim to have seen Oswald flee the plaza in a Rambler is flatly contradicted by other witnesses and evidence demonstrating Oswald's true escape route, but bus (where he was recognized by his ex-landlady) and by cab (whose driver firmly ID'd him). Oswald still had the bus transfer in his pocket when he was arrested, for goodness' sake. Craig's claim Oswald told him in Captain Fritz's office the Rambler belonged to Mrs. Paine is flatly contradicted by every other officer present and by Dallas PD and FBI documents proving her car was a Chevrolet.
Swell, now we look forward to you explaining how the people who in "fact" "set up" Oswald knew: - he would immediately flee the TSBD - he would successfully escape Dealey Plaza - he would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff - he would take evasive action to get there - he owned a revolver at all - exactly where the revolver was - he would obtain the revolver - he would retain the revolver - he would decide at the last minute to put a jacket on - he would discard the jacket in the streets - an imposter who looks so much like him he's guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene - there is ANY logic in attacking a cop on a public street since Oswald is already being sought anyway and if anything goes wrong here they just end up confirming a conspiracy exists - the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot - no other cop will capture the imposter - nobody else will ever see the imposter again - Oswald will not be able to prove he was anywhere else during the shooting - they can safely count on exactly the right ballistics experts to obey illegal orders to falsify evidence and make themselves all loyal accessories to murder - Oswald will agree to help frame himself by trying to hide from passing police - Oswald will get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later - Oswald will fight police like such a violent maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him - Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" to police after asking the penalty for cop-killing - they can safely count on every cop who arrives at the theater to perjure himself - the Dallas PD will be firmly on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children - Oswald will lie to police - Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator - Oswald will not make any attempt to sing like a canary about any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to the President of the Dallas Bar Association when he interviews him, or to a live TV audience of millions - Oswald will act so smug and placid he'll even convince his own brother he's guilty...
"The problem for me in this video is that there is factual information that Ruth Paine truck picked up LHO out the back of the DSBD building." And your source for this supposedly "factual information" is, what, exactly? "Other than that, again, there is factual information about the fact it wasn't LGO who shot Tippet." And what "factual information" would that be? A tiny minority of the witnesses saying the shooter did not look like Oswald even though a much larger number of the witnesses either specifically said it was Oswald, or at the very least gave a physical description that was reasonably similar to Oswald? Is there some reason why a minority of the witnesses should be considered to be more credible than the majority of the witnesses?
A .45 acp or a .45 long colt are both short range. Was there an entry wound or at least a second wound? An entry wound can almost disappear if your no looking for it, especially a .221 cal. I've seen .223 holes that you couldn't put the tip of a pencil in. Way to many unanswered questions! I'm looking for his book.
The NAVAL doctors at Bethesda who did an autopsy measured a hole in the back of JFK's head 6 millimeters in diameter. A .45 caliber bullit did not make that hole because it would have been bigger. Plus the diameter of LEE HARVEY OSWALD's bullits are 6.5 millimeters in diameter. A bullit from something shooting a 5.56mm x 45 round could have done it thou.
In that case we look forward to you explaining how the people framing him knew: - he would show up unexpectedly at the Paine house Nov. 21 otherwise they can't pretend he smuggled the rifle - nobody would ever find any bullets or fragments that don't match to his rifle - he would immediately flee the crime scene - an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - Officer Tippit won't simply outdraw and capture his attacker - Oswald will get seen trying to hide from and dodge police - Oswald will get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop - Oswald will fight like such a maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him - Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking the penalty for cop-killing - Oswald will lie to police, starting with about his whereabouts during the assassination - Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator - Oswald will act so smug he'll even convince his own brother he is guilty - Oswald will refuse help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association - Oswald will make no attempt to blow any conspiracy to anybody - Oswald will just shrug a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
Not a good presentation at all. Just your opinions and guesses backed up by absolutely no factual evidence. And FYI, Oswald did not shoot Officer Tippit. The bullets in Tippits body did not match Oswalds revolver.
You know full well they were matched. I have yet to see you make the slightest attempt to offer up any credible alternate scenario for what happened, and I still await your explanation of how the people framing Oswald for the Tippit killing knew: - he would immediately flee the TSBD - he would successfully escape Dealey Plaza - he would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff - he owned a revolver at all - where the revolver was - he would obtain the revolver - he would retain the revolver - he would decide at the last minute to put a jacket on - he would discard the jacket in the streets - an imposter who looks so much like him he's guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene - there is ANY logic in attacking a cop on a public street since Oswald is already being sought for Kennedy anyway and if anything goes wrong here they just end up confirming a conspiracy exists - the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot - no other cop will capture the imposter - nobody else will ever see the imposter again - Oswald will be unable to prove he was elsewhere during the shooting - Oswald will agree to help frame himself by hiding in storefronts from passing police - Oswald will get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later - Oswald will fight like such a violent maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him - Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking the penalty for cop-killing - Oswald will lie to police - Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator - Oswald will act so smug and placid in jail he'll even convince his own brother he is guilty - the Dallas PD can be safely counted on to be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children - every single police officer can be safely counted on to promptly perjure himself as needed to assist the conspiracy....
@@colonelreb1014 How about you answer my questions first instead of lobbying this crackpot, paranoid and fictitious factoid and insulting me like that settles the matter. While you are at it, explain these things: a) how somebody goes about openly approaching scores of police, doctors, Secret Service, military personnel, x-ray technicians, photographers, witnesses, etc., and persuades them all to obey illegal orders to commit crimes (thus confirming to each one of them a conspiracy exists) and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason b) how altering wounds, faking photos, forging x-rays, falsifying reports, committing perjury by the dozen and piling cover-ups atop cover-ups is a better idea than just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any "conspiracy" just fine?
Right. Rimless shell casings from an auto pistol found at Tippet murder scene...Oswald owned a revolver that uses rimed ammo. I found this painful to watch...quoting Warren Commission testimony by witnesses is useless...much testimony was altered. The light green Rambler testimony was censored out...and who owned one? Mrs Paine...! Apparently the people making comments know zero about the assassination. These people need to look up interviews of Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig, LBJ's mistress Madeline Brown, Judith Vary Baker Oswald's GF, and dozens of other primary sources. How about the unidentified finger print found in the snipers nest unidentified until 1998? It was finally identified in about 1998 and belonged to LBJ's go to guy who took care of problems for LBJ...Malcom Mac Wallace...E Howard Hunt's death bed confession...it's all out there...the doorway photo...It's Billy Lovelady's head pasted onto Oswald's body with the solid brown shirt worn by Oswald that day......George HW Bush photographed in front of the TSBD 30 minutes after the murder...the people who believe what the government says may not be around many more years, because they most likely took the clot shot...they are dropping like flies...
@@aaronz7056according to this speaker, and only regarding his line of thought, Oswald missed his bus after1:15pm when he then ran into Tippet.. Have a look at Tippet's official time of death.
Oswald never fired a shot from any firearm that day…he was give a paraffin test…NEGATIVE…firing shots from that crappy rifle would left his head, neck, arms and clothes glowing… just stop the lies… and what about his “revolver” leave behind “automatic” shells at the Tipitt scene…. This story is embarrassing…
He tested positive on his hands as per Commission exhibits, he used different types of ammo in his revolver and he was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Tippit and fleeing.
@@aaronz7056 actually not. He tested NEGATIVE…and then the police/FBI gave him “papers to look at” and then his left hand show a positive paraffin result…but his face was negative both times-a result that was I’m possible if he had fired the cheap Italian plant rifle-but you know that. Three witnesses identified two shooters at the scene. A news film from the scene recorded the police not only identifying two different caliber shells, (38/automatic) the recording shows a cop “finding” a wallet at the scene, a “A. Heidell” (Oswald alias) the problem as you know is Oswald was arrested with his wallet . Of course the Warren Commission left all of this out…. But they knew, just as we all now know. Why do dullards like you continue to cite the WCR? It’s not only been discredited, it’s just a sad collection of lies…like when ol’ Jerry Ford decided to move the shot on Kennedy’s back up to his neck (“for the good of the country”)… your post is humiliating and might have fooled people in 1967, but it just self defacing and pathetic now…. Run along little boy…
Paraffin tests were debunked long before the assassination. But used to intimidate witnesses for confessions. And do you suppose homeboy thought it was a half day and slipped out to catch a movie?
@@admiralkrankandhismightyba158 It's all called "bursting blood vessels straining so hard to jump through hoops to let Oswald off the hook at every turn."
Rubbish, it was Oswald, the same Oswald who promptly tried to shoot MacDonald, fought like such a violent maniac 3 officers were injured just disarming him, and who observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" to police after asking them about the penalty for cop-killing.
If you want to learn more the whole event watch the videos produced on UA-cam America's untold stories. They do an in-depth of every event surrounding the JFK assassination including all the people involved
Those guys on America's Untold Stories are paranoid crackpots who crank out whole videos giving their middle fingers to the families of people like John Connally and J.D. Tippit as they opine away they were conspirators in murder and treason with zero evidence for it and even spend hours slandering Ruth Paine in a similar fashion like they're just begging to get sued. Oh, and they have recently taken to hawking books written by Alex Jones with no qualms whatsoever...
Why did he leave the book depository? Did he let his boss know he was leaving? Why did he feel he needed a firearm? Where was he going, surely the safest place for him would have been in his lodging house, not walking around the neighbourhood packing heat just after the assassination!
You are under the mistaken impression that no one other than Lee Harvey Oswald left the Texas School Book Depository at the time of President Kennedy’s assassination. The following persons who also worked at TSBD left the building without notifying building supervisor Roy Truly: Danny Arce, 18, left at 1:00 pm, accompanied by the police, to go to City Hall. Carolyn Arnold, 20, left at 12:25 pm and did not return. Virgie Rachley, 18, left at 11:45 am and returned at 12:40 pm but was denied entry. Jack Carson, 56, president of TSBD, left at 12:10 pm and did not return. Betty Drago, 27, left at 12:20 pm but found the door locked when she returned. She stayed outside TSBD until 2:30 pm before going home. Buell Wesley Frazier, 19, famously gave Oswald a lift to work that day. He left TSBD between 1pm and 2 pm, about the same time Truly claims he made his roll call. Charles Givens, 38, returned to TSBD after the shooting but was refused entry by a Dallas policeman. An APB was put out for him, and he was later interviewed at City Hall by Captain Will Fritz. Truly was aware of Given’s absence, having seen him prior to the assassination. Truly also saw Oswald prior to his encounter with him in the second-floor lunchroom. Using that logic, Oswald should have been exonerated as well. Gloria Holt, 18, left at 12:10 pm and did not return. Stella Jacob, 20, left at noon and did not return. Judy Johnson, 20, was standing outside TSBD when the shooting began. She remained in the area until 2:00 pm then went home. Dolores Kounas, 32, left at 12:15 pm and stayed outside until 3:00 pm. Sharon Nelson, 19, left at 12:20 pm and never returned. She lived at 409 East 9th Street, near the site where Officer J.D. Tippit was gunned down. Roberta Parker, 55, left at a time unknown, and said she wasn’t allowed back in until 3:30 pm. Bonnie Richey, 20, left the building at 12:20 pm and never returned. Lloyd Viles, 41, left at 12:15 pm and returned at 2:55 pm. Vida Whatley, 45, left at 12:15 pm to go shopping. She tried to re-enter TSBD at 1:00 pm but was denied entry by the police. She went home. Bonnie Ray Williams, 20, accompanied Arce to the police station at 1:00 pm. Why did he get a gun? He knew he was being set up as the patsy and people would be out to kill him
I'd guess he left because a) he was a conspirator (though not a shooter) and b) with cop quickly in building, heat was on and c) he may have realized he'd been set up to take the fall as the assassination though he was not a shooter and d) he may have desired to meet with his handler, or perhaps hide-out, perhaps at the Harlandale home where he'd attended meeting (with Cuban conspirators?) prior.
He was not safe at his rooming house. He ran rather than hang around TSBD because he had some involvement to hide. If his expectation was similar to that after the fake General Walker shooting he would not have collected his revolver and handed himself to J D Tippett as arranged. He knew he was to be a "patsy" but it is unclear when he realised that JFK had been killed rather than missed.
@@zapdunga12 That's a brilliant argument, now you can explain how many of those other employees: - owned and smuggled the rifle - where inside the building during the shooting - took evasive action to get to their other guns - were ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as the man seen murdering a cop and fleeing - were caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop - lied their asses off to police - refused to cooperate with any investigators - acted so smug and placid in jail they even convinced their own brothers they were guilty - refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association when he offered it to them - just shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
@@zapdunga12 So let me get this straight: Oswald's reaction to realizing he was a "patsy" was to shoot a cop, try to shoot a second cop, observe "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking police the penalty for cop-killing, lie his ass off to police, refuse to cooperate with any investigator, act so smug and placid he will even convince his own brother he is guilty, and when interviewed on live TV hours later make no attempt to blurt out anything about any conspiracy and instead just shrug a hollow, rambling reply when asked, 'Did you shoot the President?"
If he was in a hurry changing his shirt it seems to me even more likely the ticket would be creased. Not necessarily folded, but crumpled a bit. They were only made out of relatively cheap newsprint paper in my experience.
About the potentially "folded or creased ticket"...I was watching a video just the other night, about the JFK evidence at the national archives and how they handled it, and how they brought it out for researchers to view. They showed themselves laying out some physical evidence actually requested by a researcher who was coming in. A bunch of it was the contents of his wallet and one of the items was THE BUS TICKET! And low and behold it looked like a brand new bus ticket - no dirt, no creases, no folds! I thought of this video immediately. The ticket in the archives, said to be the actual ticket taken from Oswald's pocket by the DPD, is PRISTINE!
The woman on the 4th floor was Victoria vicky Adams, who was the great aunt of Victoria Adams of the spice girls. Chief CIA Inspector Gerald Clark Haliiwell was also a relative of Gerry Haliiwell (ginger). I find this very scary. Also, the information that Melanie, baby' sportur, was deemed inadmissible when smoke was seen rising from the grassy knoll, as seen by paul Posh from the Train junction box, was later dismissed as Posh had been found with intoxicating substances that allegedly he had been drinking, as it was present on his mouth and face, the substance being Old spice after shave' though nothing was proved.
According to deputy Roger Craig, who was standing on the south side of Elm Street just minutes after the shooting saw a man running down the grass of the scene of the shooting and get into a green rambler station wagon driven by a dark complected man and proceed west on Elm St. Shortly afterwards in Capt Fritz’s office, Deputy Craig identified the man sitting in capt. Fritz’s office as the same man he saw getting into the station wagon. This was LHO. This conflicts with Oswald getting into a bus in your presentation. There is good evidence that supports LHO had a double on that day in Dallas. This would support both your claim Oswald took a bus and Dep. Craig’s eye witness account of him getting into the station wagon.
Here are Roger Craig's claims: a) He saw Oswald flee the plaza in a Rambler. Flatly contradicted by other witnesses and evidence demonstrating Oswald's true escape route, by bus, where he was recognized by his ex-landlady, and by cab, whose driver ID'd him. Oswald still had the bus transfer on him when arrested. b) Oswald told him in Captain Fritz's office the Rambler belonged to Ruth Paine. Flatly contradicted by every other officer present, and by FBI and Dallas PD documents proving Mrs. Paine's car was a Chevrolet. c) He was with Deputy Mooney when they discovered the sniper nest. Flatly contradicted by Craig's own WC testimony. d) He saw 3 shells lined up in a neat row in the sniper nest. Flatly contradicted by officers who actually discovered the nest and scattered shells. e) He saw the recovered rifle was a Mauser. Flatly contradicted by other officers (a couple of cops freely owned up to misidentifying the rifle at first), by news film, and by Craig himself, in his 1968 interview where he assures the L.A. Free Press he couldn't ID the rifle because he "didn't know foreign rifles." f) He saw it was only six past one when he heard Officer Tippit had been shot. Flatly contradicted by other witnesses, evidence, and by his own 1968 interview. g) He saw a slug recovered from the plaza grass. Flatly contradicted by every other officer and witness present, and by his own WC testimony. h) There were attempts on his life to silence him. No supporting evidence exists, nor is there any explanation of why it would be necessary to "silence" this lying clown when his credibility would have been shredded on the stand by any competent lawyer.
@@XPXSTM No evidence he was "driven" to the bus stop, enough with this crackpot paranoia already. The idea Oswald had some chauffeur-driven ride parked in front of the crime scene waiting to drive him through gridlock and an active parade route to a bus stop nearby is laughable. Your "screwed patsy" was seen shooting a cop, was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop, fought police so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him, lied, refused to cooperate, even convinced his own brother he was guilty, and made no attempt to blow any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to the President of the Dallas Bar Association, or to a live TV audience of millions.
Oswald had no residue of gunpowder on his hands and cheeks; therefore he did not shoot a gun or riffle that day. Therefore Oswald did not shoot Officier Tippet!
@aaronz7056 Only the waitress Markham said she saw Tippet being shot. Even the WC saw her as an unreliable witness. She at first did not describe Oswald and later could no ID him in photos. Who are the dozen of witnesses you claim actually SAW Oswald shooting Tippit ? There are none that say so to my knowledge, but what is your source for this claim ?
@@meisievannancy I don't know, how about the actual testimonies, the actual reports, the actual investigation? For the love of God.... Markham, B. Davis, V. Davis, Callaway, Russell, Scoggins, Guinyard, Reynolds, Patterson, Lewis all ID'd Oswald as the man they shot Tippit and flee. The same Oswald to whose gun, which he owned and was in possession of, was matched with the recovered shells. The same Oswald soon seen trying to hide from and dodge passing police. The same Oswald caught red-handed minutes later trying to shoot a cop and fighting like such a maniac 3 officers were injured just disarming him. The same Oswald who observed to police, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking officers about the penalty for cop-killing. The same Oswald who refused to cooperate with any investigator. The same Oswald who acted so smug and placid in custody he even convinced his own brother he was guilty. Where the heck are you even going with these questions? Who the heck do you THINK shot Tippit, for Pete's sake?
This would be the same Oswald who immediately fled the building, lied to police, owned and smuggled the gun, left his latent print on it, refused to cooperate with investigators, and acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty.
@@aaronz7056 this his brother Robert who lied about his age to be in the army and the brother Robert who disagreed with the WC about lee's school records
@@glenperry2073 What the hell has that got to do with ANYTHING? God, it's hilarious watching you conspiracy theorists burst blood vessels straining so hard to let Oswald off the hook at every turn. lol
The unidentified man with Walthers is not Bob Barrett. The photos that the FBI trainees were shown that show the spent bullet and bone are probably the Murray and Allen photos showing what may look like those objects.
Good presentation by the author and some good questions by the host. I don’t agrree with everything he says (it’s his opinion Oswald took the bus and that Fritz testified truthfully anout it; my opinion differs). But an honest author admits when he doesn’t know something and this author does that on a few occasions, which lends credibility in my eyes. I think he’s done some good work.
@@aaronz7056 Hitting the sauce again, get fired, or run out of meds? Can't believe anyone above the age of 9 will go around leaving nasty messages on multiple comments in UA-cam. Get a life.
If you look closely, you'll find no reason to be sure the women went down the stairs instantly after the shots. That's a typically murky claim. Oswald on the other hand, had reason to instantly hit the stairs. Btw, there was NO stairway that went continuously from the 1st to the 7th floor. There were / are two sets of enclosed stairs; SE stairs and NW stairs, and each set of stairs only went from one floor to the next, then you'd have to walk to the other set of stair to get to the next floor, then cross to the other stairs to get to the next floor, etc.
@@aaronz7056 I have a "well-versed researcher" who informs me and everyone that there was a 2nd guy shooting a rifle out the window, but somehow, magically no one saw or heard this. He doesn't concern himself with minor details like that, I guess.
I guess I'm all alone on this one as all I'm really getting is bits and pieces that by themselves are somewhat interesting but the speaker, Mr. Meeks really fails to create any kind of narrative to tie together all these bits and pieces. For me it was really a waste of time and there were very few people in the audience and they didn't seem to be particularly excited by anything Mr. Meeks said, and neither did I.
Sorry I was unclear. I was trying to make 2 points: 1 - Walthers DID find a bullet and 2 - LHO was headed to the house on Harlandale after leaving the TSBD. As for the crowd...I have been to the talks there at the library about 5 times, twice as speaker. Attendance varied from about 35 to 55 each time. You're right, the crowd was light. I think my friend counted 36 if I remember right. As I said at the very beginning...thanks for coming despite the weather. That night here were severe thunderstorm warnings and later that night DVD disc size hail fell in the Sanger, TX area. They showed pictures of it on the news the next morning. That night I drove home through a driving rain, strong wind and a real light show. I was praying I'd get home before running into that hail....and I did.
@@JeffMeek-uz2nh Walthers found no bullet and there is no credible evidence for any of the shots originating from anywhere other than Oswald's rifle in the sixth floor window. No evidence Oswald was heading anywhere other than to his rooming house after he left the TSBD.
I am 68 and have read thru this slaughter for many years. I have read all the books I can find. Have been to Dealy 4 times. Oswald never fired a shot that day. Oswald got into Clay Shaw's Rambler station wagon. Ruth Paine had a 55 Chevy station wagon. CIA set-up. Nothing to do with Mafia. I love the young people getting into this.Really appreciate that. Carry on...
Mafia and CIA were hand in hand all through the 40s,50’s and60s. Likely after also.
Oswald fired 8 shots that day. 3 in Dealey Plaza and 5 at East Tenth and Patton.
Mafia bosses an detailed research has pretty much shown Mafia sniper at least 1 was there that day.
@@davidwilliams4498 Your "detailed research" consists of collecting myths, fables, lies and legends you picked up in $1.99 conspiracy books at a junk yard sale. Congrats, you've just played yourself.
@@davidwilliams4498 No, detailed research has consistently demonstrated Oswald fired all the shots.
Before Oswald was even dead, LBJ and FBI director Hover had a conversation stating that the American people must be led to believe that Oswald acted alone. They pushed the conclusion before any evidence was examined.
... and after 60 years all credible evidence still points at Oswald.
@russelllane7551 Hoover was more concerned that Russia could possibly be behind the assassination, and in not alarming the public and possibly starting WW3. There's no evidence of his scapegoating Oswald to hide a conspiracy. In any event, the preponderance of evidence pointed (and still does) to Oswald and he alone, no matter what Hoover may have said/done/wrote.
@@stddisclaimer8020 LMFAO!!!
@@johnnylightning203 If the plain facts make your ass laugh off, then you'll just have to sit on something else.
@@stddisclaimer8020Plain facts, he says. Right out of Trump's handbook.
KEEP THESE JFK VIDEOS COMING PLZ! We all LOVE THEM!
It's time to let president Kennedy RIP don't you think, I mean all these people are coming forward saying this is what happened or this is what happened the man is dead 60 yrs now and we will never find out the truth, we will all probably be all dead & buried then our children's children will probably find out who Really killed president Kennedy, but not in our lifetime no way its a huge huge cover up by our government and they ain't telling, CASE CLOSED END OF STORY.
Have you seen the James Files prison interview confession?
The woman, whose name he couldn't remember who was on the 4th floor and who came down immediately after the shots, was Victoria "Vicky" Adams. She and her coworker, Sandra Styles came down together and did not see or hear Oswald.
Bingo.
How do you know this ?
Thank you.
Americas Untold Stories UA-cam channel & many others.
It is a well known fact by serious JFK historians.
There's a lot to know and it goes directly in to what's happening today.
The more people who get hip to this the better off we'll all be.
My favorite "picture worth a 1000 words" is Prescott Bush ( yes, the father and grandfather of 2 of our presidents and who financed the Nazi empire, look it up) placing a hat on a young Richard Nixon in 1950 with Jack Rubenstein aka Jack Ruby standing next to him!
@@MsAliceinwonderland "The Girl on the Stairs: My Search for a Missing Witness to the Assassination of John F. Kennedy" by Barry Ernest (Author)
@@MsAliceinwonderland I've been a JFK researcher for almost 50 years. That's how. Read "Girl On The Stairs"
by Barry Ernst.
I’ve said this before it’s sad to see more people aren’t attending these Seminars/reviews. I think it’s very important that young people whether they are American or from anywhere else realise the significance of what happened on 22/11/63. Being from Scotland I can say it’s a fascinating but deeply sad subject and anyone who has been following it especially the great people of America will tell you it was true turning point in there recent history. JFK was trying to challenge the military industrial complex and the intelligence agencies for the better of the people in America. Trying to cool relations with the USSR, saved the world from nuclear war at the Cuban missile crisis also when all the generals around him wanting to launch, and wouldn’t be dictated to by the agencies and the deep state. I think most Americans would agree that is the problem in there amazing country today. Thank you ACTV and Jeffrey.
I greatly appreciate your genuine interest in this maddening event in our nation's history. I am simultaneously disheartened by the widespread apathy/ignorance of my fellow citizens in this matter. Their collective interest was piqued with the widespread release of the movie "JFK", but a vigorous mainstream media campaign against it by dutiful government shills soon steered the lazy populace back into the slaughterhouse line, with their entertainment, sports programming and endless intake of empty calories and other distractions.
@@shuroom57 Thank you, yeah it’s very sad that more people especially younger generations don’t have the same intrigue or interest in this subject as I think it represented a huge shift in your great nations trajectory. There wouldn’t have been any Vietnam war for a start where something like 58,000 Americans sadly lost there lives fighting in a war they should never have been in. Thanks again for your reply much appreciated
Yes.
USA has been under God's judgement since the JFK assassination . This terror was a great offense to THE ALMIGHTY , ❤USA 🇺🇸 ❤
People aren’t attending because they seek info elsewhere. Like here and all over online. We access all info from home online and a lot more young people don’t believe the official story than ever. While it would be nice to attend these types of meetings they are all over the country and we just can’t. So we dig online for old & new videos, books, documents, interviews, news etc. So luckily we are fortunate that it’s all available for us to do so.
So many unanswered questions, silenced by Jack Ruby
Ruby (RUBINSTEIN
was a Jew Zionist Mole.
He had the Job of SILENCING Oswald. As the Zionist involvement in the assassination would be EXPOSED.
Kennedy DENIED the Zionists of Israel Atomic Bomb technology Know-how and they decided to kill him.
The Killing was done by professional FRENCH Assassins for hire
and MOSSAD was, most likely, the "Handler"
Oswald was a KLUTZ and a Panzi
Just a Diversion.....
The Zionists Did not want Oswald to start Singing!..........
Also silenced by the lack of a simple recording....
By the 1960's intelligence and law enforcement in general was corrupted and had, to a large extent, been hijacked. People who knew too much about behind-the-scenes operations, or who drew attention to them were under constant threat.
The failure to tape-record Oswald can't be put down to incompetence or anything innocent (is incompetence ever complete innocence anyway?)
Some argue that the killing of JFK was one of the top ten most impactful events of the 20th century so nobody can argue that it wasn't deserving of a proper investigation using any and all means that could be mustered.
It is well known that magnetic tape recordings are a solid, trusted means of recording information, and almost impossible to tamper with. Even today, magnetic tape recordings onto compact cassette cartridge are preferred by most lawyers over electronic means. --Interestingly, these very same compact cassette cartridges, designed and released by the large international electronics company, Philips, had been available to the general public in certain markets for months by the time of the Oswald arrest. To put things into perspective, with the release of the compact cassette tapes, even the widely used and convenient RCA audio cartridges were steadily on their way to becoming obsolete, and the old reel-to-reel audio recorders, used by some government departments since the late 1940's, were now "old hat".
To imagine that even a simple reel-to-reel tape recorder could not have been brought to the Homicide Office of the Dallas PD, and even after the Captain (Capt. Will Fritz) specifically asked for one, is beyond a stretch.
It would be hard to imagine that a reel-to-reel could not be availed to record the interview of an arrested suspect in the murder of a tramp in a back alley, but unfathomable in the instance of an alleged assassin of the President of the United States!
So, are we just supposed to believe that the likes of a Boeing 707 airliner can be availed expressly for the services of a president but an old reel-to-reel tape recorder just can't. ...Nope, for the investigation of the assassination of the President of the United States in a premier US city like Dallas, not one can be mustered in almost two days of the important aftermath of this killing when a suspect's behaviour and testimony is most crucial.
You meant to say Jacob Rubenstein, a member of Meyer Lansky's Jewish mob.
@jimmycricket5366
Thank You.
And, what about simple physics, trajectory and (all) ballistics found (and allegedly found shell casings).
A) One head shot or 2 separate head shots?
Either or each would leave an exit wound.
2 holes = 1 shot. (Or, 2 different guns; front & back, and no exits) 4 holes = 2 shots (with high powered rifle). *Or, could. Right!*
Begin with -->> 1 head shot (especially if going w/ only "3 shells" which will become a mute point; but, I digress)
B) Trajectory (angle/angles)
Initially, presume no turn inside skull (with bone always the chance of some variation, but a proper EXAM can / would have answered). *IF* there was a turn; potential turn ... right or left (after a direction/path determined). The entry/exit points were far enough apart to give/help with trajectory (with JFK's body position known - thanks to the *Zapruder* film).
C) Direction of the bullet(s) - aka location or where abouts of the shooter(s). Front to back vs back to front. *AND, WATCH ZAPRUDER FILM.* Hunters or gun enthusiasts suspect lies/problems (I'm sure ... more so if they had known *only* 3 shell casings).
Question for FBI agents, CIA and LE (at the time)?
How ... from an ELEVATED POSITION (6TH floor) Does ONE BULLET enter low on a target (if behind/below right ear to back of skull) then travel "Upward" to exit the anterior and TOP region of skull (with head still up) before head goes BACK and then JFK slumps over to the left (or Jackie moves).
what made me realize that it was a murder cover-up by johnson was the magic bullet and all the murders that followed
No magic bullet. No "murders." Only crackpots trying to exploit a murder, led by the biggests crackpots of them all, Mark Lane, Jim Garrison and Olive Stone. Join the educated world and forget about these goofballs.
Lane misrepresented the evidence to invent the zizg zag bullet. The evidence shows that the trajectory is perfect. Please name one murder that ocurred. It's a theory pushed by most recently by the Jim Marrs, who also believes in UFOs and aliens aliens.
LBJ had this Coup done with Bush Sr who was involved with the CIA
"Magic" bullet makes perfect sense and is backed up by evidence. The "mysterious deaths list" is an hilarious hoax where everybody on it either had little or no connection to the case or else their causes of death were misreported to sound more "sinister."
All the people that died had already testified or told their stories, this leaves their deaths to be accidents or by natural causes. The wound in the back of Connally also was an oblong shape which means the bullet was tumbling, bullets only tumble if they hit something (like JFKs neck). Oswald did it, it's so blatantly obvious.
HitList by Richard Beltzer...Excellent book. Each chapter is dedicated to a life lost connected to this terrible tragedy. Tippet is Chapter One etc. No coincidence that more end up lost when the Warren Report and the Congressional Report are die.
"am I next? oh no"
that was a nice bit of humor to lighten the mood
I was just seven when JFK was assassinated, but recall it like yesterday. I have read dozens of books (over the many years) regarding this awful happening, but the most recent/fascinating (and best documented) one I poured over, is called "Lee and Me" - written by Judyth Vary Baker. I have no connection to the author or publisher whatsoever, but I read this good sized book in just two sittings. It explains much - it's hard not to conclude that Lee Oswald was exactly what he said - a "patsy."
Yea it's impossible really to come to any other conclusion really especially when you consider Rubys statements before trial where he plainly says " The people who put me up to this will never be known to the World " end of story.
I was 7 too. I am from Belgium but mom and i heard it on our radio and while i did not knew who JFK was that time the reaction of my mom told me alot. I learned alot too and i am convinced that LHO did not fired 1 shot there. It was denied on our TV many years ago by a specialist in ballistics who tried out the same shots with the same type of rifle from the same spot in the Dallas County Administration Building 411, Elm street, Dallas TX. He concluded that he could not fire the so called 3 bullets in the suposed time frame and that the angles of the bullets did not matched. In one of our Belgian newspapers it also was written that from several places was fired by at least 4 people. There must have been noises all around so with silencers it was not detected. Just now i read on Google..."Oswald's rifle could not shoot 3 rounds in 8 seconds".
Baker is a lying grifter who could never prove she was Oswald's mistress and never addressed or explained all the evidence against him.
@@SuperErikRoss Ruby's own friends thought he was a complete fruitcake and he never made any attempt to blow any conspiracy either at his public trial or even on his deathbed.
@@03333032 a) You can watch Josiah Thompson in NOVA's Who Killed President Kennedy or John K. Lattimer in Beyond Conspiracy easily replicate operating that kind of rifle well within the time frame, to name but two examples.
b) No bullets or fragments were ever found that didn't match to Oswald's rifle.
c) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they were hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind.
d) Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive, explosive exit wound at the right temple consistent only with a shot from behind.
e) Multiple and mathematically precise computer recreations over the years by various investigators have consistently and clearly demonstrated not only that the victims' wounds all line up on a direct trajectory, but that they all track straight back to Oswald's window.
f) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said all 3 shots came from directly overhead.
g) It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing away from several directions.
h) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
i) Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
j) Oswald owned and smuggled the rifle.
k) Oswald's latent print was on the rifle.
l) A man was seen in the window who could very plausibly have been Oswald.
m) No unidentified persons were ever caught inside the building.
n) Oswald was the one and only employee inside the building during the shooting to immediately flee the plaza.
o) Oswald lied to police about his whereabouts during the shooting.
p) Oswald just shrugged a hollow and rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
Ruth Paine's explanation to her reportedly saying "I (we) have been expecting you" when DPD arrived at her home, is the fact that Lee Oswald worked at the TSBD? If that's the case, why didn't the DPD visit the homes of EVERY employee that worked at the TSBD, at least the men?
At 50 to 52 minutes the storm drain is mentioned as having an impossible angle for an accurate shot.
The drain he mentioned is 50 yards from the target.
Jim Marrs pointed out that the storm drain shot was only yards from the target. That storm drain outlet was later blanked off in the 60's.
With all due respect for those who have done excellent research, i just wish they would stop mentioning the wrong drain outlet.
The exit at the parking lot area would have been 30 yards distance as pointed out by Marrs.
This would be the same Jim Marrs who:
a) kept giving his middle finger and one great big "F-word you" to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as he accused the man without evidence of being a conspirator in murder and treason so lone as it suited his crackpot "theories"
b) invented a bogus "mysterious deaths list of witnesses" where everybody on it either had little or no connection to the case or else their causes of death were misreported to sound more "sinister"
c) gave us the bonkers "multiple Oswald clones running around Dallas" idiocy
d) proved UFO's and flying saucers are real....
As for the storm drain, all credible medical, eyewitness, film, forensic and ballistic evidence clearly demonstrate the shots all came from behind the limo anyway.
Nice intel.
The reason the motorcade stopped was so that the gutter shooter wouldn't miss.
@@Qteskimo It never stopped, Einstein.
@@Qteskimo
Bill Newman, 10 to 12ft from the President, said one shot was to his right.
As he said that he indicated with his right arm outstretched in a low down position.
How many clues do we need?
When it comes to the shots, they're moving at a snails pace and covering up along the way.
We're being sandbagged.
Many thanks for this - I had just come round to wondering WHERE Oswald was heading to from his boarding house, and as he seemed in such a hurry - a full street map would have helped me
You are right - The JFK fiasco is down to incompetence or involvement before and after the killing by FBI, CIA (and Dallas police after), and their cover ups almost worked.
You didn't mention ms Clemmons, who said she saw two people shoot Tippit. And other eyewitness that saw the same thing. Two different kinds of shells found at the scene.
Clemmons never said she saw anyone shoot Tippit. She did not see the shooting. The four shell casings found at the scene were all .38 Specials. They were all matched to Oswald's revolver.
@kegeshook1734 you better read up 2 shot form automatic, she saw one guy reloading his gun as he walked away.
@@dexculpepper-py1jr There were no shots from an automatic. All four shell casings that were found at the scene were non-auto .38 Specials. Clemons did not see anyone reloading a gun. What she may have seen is Ted Callaway holding Tippit's gun.
@@dexculpepper-py1jr , Oswald's revolver was a .38 which had been converted (re-chambered) to a .38 Special, which does not auto-eject shells; they have to be manually ejected. And that is exactly what multiple witnesses saw: Oswald emptying hulls from his revolver.
@@stddisclaimer8020 Yeah, Oswald was unable to use the extractor because at least one of the shells had expanded too much. He had to wait for it to cool down before he removed that one. He carried it away from the scene and it was never found.
Why couldn't they just ask the bus driver who supposedly gave the transfer ticket to Oswald if he recognized Oswald as the man he gave the ticket to ?
The bus driver did recognize Oswald. Also, a former landlady of Oswald was on the bus and she verified it was definitely Oswald also. No question or confusion on this matter.
That is not how i remember bus transfers working. You could get a transfer anytime while you were on the bus. Typically when you get on the bus. You could use it within a limited time whenever you got off the bus. For a long (in time and/or distance) ride it might be a while before you got off the bus to make a transfer to the next bus on your journey. The time on the transfer would be the time you took it and not necessarily within the 15 minute time window you planned to use it.
And they can only be used on bus routes traveling perpendicular to the route it was received from.
This guy knows a lot. Even more interesting things than the bullet story.
Journalist Dorothy Kilgallen knew more through her jailhouse interview with Jack Ruby. However, they suspiciously rubbed her out before her expose'.
He’s an idiot..
I just want to applaud the Allen City Library for hosting and posting some of the most wonderful, accurate and informative findings about the tragic murders of President John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, and Dorothy Kilgallen. I’ve also heard speakers at Allen on the “Oswald Only” side of the tragedy of 11/22/1963. I will never agree, but it’s great that the Library gives all their fair share of time.
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My very favorite speaker was Dr. Grover Proctor. What a teacher, what a speaker, what a story teller (of the cold, hard facts, but in a way all of us can understand them easily.......he will chuckle at this, but it’s kind of like Our Lord Jesus using “parables” to be able to teach The Love of God to followers who were perhaps not so well-educated in Jesus’s day -- fishermen, beggars, farmers, etc.). I would love to sit down with him within a small group and just LEARN from him!
Of course, there is simply none like Mark Shaw! I listened to him approximately two hours, and could have easily listened to two more! What a Crusader for the clearing of Dorothy Kilgallen’s Name, as well as fact-finding about all three cases, and how so sickeningly meshed together. 😢
I wasn’t so impressed with the gentleman from Florida who had purchased Lee Oswald’s RING! 😖 It wasn’t his content, it was his presentation, and I just wasn’t quite sure he truly knew what he was talking about in some instances. Of course, I give him a huge amount of credit for researching, then getting up in front of people (albeit a very small crowd, what a shame) and sharing his information! Like myself, he’s no spring chicken, and I applaud him for his search for the truth, then allowing us who listen to make up our own minds about what he had found.
TO THE CITY OF ALLEN AND DALLAS: There have GOT to be lots of good people in and/or near your cities who are willing to get together in a court of law to have The Sixth Floor Museum either change what they’ve got on display, so as to let visitors know there are proven facts against “Oswald Alone”, or shut them down until they do! They are misrepresenting the history of their city, this country, and continue to help spread lies about President Kennedy’s horrific murder. It’s a disgrace.
With all the proven facts that have been discovered and multiply verified that President Kennedy’s murder was NOT the act of one person (let alone a patsy like Oswald), I do not understand how the owners/managers/staff/Board can allow this to go on! Even if they do not like with what has been discovered to be true, you’d think they’d AT LEAST want to keep up with the times.....as ANY good business does.
It seems they just wish to bury their heads in the sand and hope it will all go away. What’s really atrocious is that they’re making money from spreading untruths! I Googled their admission prices, and they ain’t cheap. Believe it or not, their admission prices will RISE in January 2024 to $22 for adults; $20 for Seniors; Youth (ages 6 - 18) $18; children 0-5 free.
A good peaceful Boycott may help by touching their pocketbooks; although according to Mark Shaw, he has done everything but stand on his head to even get them to listen to him, so I don’t know. He was only asking to place different excellently researched books/fact sheets on the murder in the museum (not for sale and certainly not just his!), but they still said “No”.
You all are Texans 😘 - certainly you can come up with a way to fight this atrocity. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙏💜🕊🙋♀️🌹
@ TSBD museum: Texans (wealthy) , if the true & whole story was told it would tarnish some very powerful family names. Maybe even financially .So don't expect to see it soon.
In opinion the 6th floor museum is nothing more than a Cia propaganda machine. The fact that they refuse to allow any evidence found in the JFK files that have been unsealed goes to their lack of credibility. I wouldn't pay 2 cents for admission.
Grover Procter is an Absolute Gem!
That bunch will never allow truth to "interfere" with their bizarre acknowledgment of Kennedys murder while trying to continue the big lie of a "single shooter". I live in Tx., lean to the left and understand all too well the hypocrisy, double dealings and evil hidden by the cowboy hats, boots, belt buckles, and artificial friendly facade of the "good ol' boys" who have participated, perpetuated and prospered from their big lie.
51:42 George de Mohrenschildt didn't commit suicide. He was murdered the same day somebody put two slugs into the head of Charles Nicoletti, like the twin murders of David Ferrie and paymaster Eladio del Valle on the same day. De Mohrenschildt's wife Jeanne Le Gon came to him from Abraham Zapruder's secretarial pool. Why didn't Zapruder take his film from his own offices in Dal-Tex, an ideal site? Because his office space on the fourth floor was being used to coordinate the assassination, which is why Zapruder scooted everybody out before noon so the radio guys and snipers and phone operations coordinators could scan Dealey Plaza from Dal-Tex.
@jackieow George de Mohrenschildt committed suicide. He had a history of mental illness and previous suicide attempts. His death was thoroughly investigated by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.There was no evidence of foul play.
de Mohrenschildt committed suicide after a history of mental illness and previous attempts, thoroughly investigated by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's office, never mind the absurdity of the idea some "conspiracy" letting him live for 14 years before deciding it was necessary to "silence" him. del Valle was a mobster involved in various criminal activities like drug running, there is no evidence his death was related to the assassination. Ferrie died of Berry aneurysm after failing health, he always hotly denied any knowledge of the assassination, and he was preparing to sue Jim Garrison for harassment. Who killed him, Garrison?
As for Zapruder's lffice being used to "co-ordinate the assassination..." LOL
Is this the same Abraham Zapruder that filmed the Kennedy assassination? If so can you elaborate? I’ve never heard this.
@@troyledbetter6597 You haven't heard it because she's just making it up, the same way she makes everything else up she spews. De Mohrenshildt committed suicide after a history of mental illness and previous attempts, his death was thoroughly investigated by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.
@@troyledbetter6597 That's right. Same Zapruder. Total set up, so he could rent his office out to Assassination Command Central and make a movie that would yield him thousands and ultimately millions for his heirs. Babushka Lady was on standby for the CIA. Notice she didn't step forward with her film for fame and fortune. Her standby version wasn't needed, since Zapruder's camera worked ok, so Babushka Lady's film went to Ft. Bragg NC and the Green Beret school of sniper assassination where it was seen by Dan Marvin and his class. Google Dan Marvin. When the lights came up, the instructor said "This is an excellent example of how to do a perfect urban sniper assassination." Later the CIA at Ft. Bragg asked Dan Marvin to kill Lt. Cmdr. William Bruce Pitzer at Bethesda. Because he had an untampered video of the JFK autopsy that proved multiple shooters and shots from the front.
Zapruder had offices on the fourth floor of the Dal-Tex Building across from the book depository, so that was the perfect spot for him to sit in a chair, film out the window the turn from Main to Houston, the lazy turn onto Elm, and then the departure along Elm. From there he could have had double the film. But no, his office was used to stage manage all the snipers via radio, so Zapruder went halfway down Elm, faced the weather and the crowds, and teetered on a high pedestal where he could have fallen and broken his neck. He "ran into" a secretary who "just happened" to be there to hold him steady.
Notice the film ends just as JFK vanishes into the underside of the triple underpass. Zapruder, millionaire that he was, supposedly had the first 3/4 of his film used up, couldn't afford a new reel for a presidential parade, and by pure coincidence just happened to run out of film as JFK disappeared. Yeah, that way he can't pan the crowd and catch anybody bundling up rifles and scurrying away. In real life, the CIA film forgers (Douglas Horne "Altered History') packed the front 3/4 of the film reel with shots of Zapruder's house and yard, as if he needed to remember his own house and junk views of nothing of significance. Just filler to stuff onto the reel.
I am an immigrant from another country..now a citizen
I find this so interesting!
Amazing research.
welcome!
You might want to think about going back. It's not just the JFK assassination scandal.
The Central Bank scam.
The government allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.
USS Liberty attack/ cover up.
9/11- inside job.
Get out while you can!
Go back to your country...Tramp administration will look again uour case and remove your citizenship
It's tough to believe Fritz regarding the ticket when - for the biggest manhunt/murder case in modern American history - he decided to keep no notes during his extensive interrogation of Oswald (or did and burned them).
He hid the notes for life insurance.
@@Qteskimo Sounds like a great way to get death insurance to me.
If Oswald was on the second floor throughout, because if he had come down the stairs the office girls would have heard him. How did the shooter on the sixth floor escape to the ground floor? There were sights of a man/men leaving the back of TSBD.
a) The only person to place Oswald on the second floor during the assassination was Oswald and the people he claimed he was with flatly denied ever seeing him.
b) Those women came downstairs after he did.
c) Those women oddly didn't hear Baker and Truly coming UP the stairs either.
d) Those women oddly didn't hear anybody ELSE coming down the stairs either.
e) You failed to mention Oswald then immediately fled the plaza.
@@aaronz7056Oswald and 22 other employees left the building.
@@ronniebishop2496 Swell, now maybe you'll tell us how many of those other employees:
- were inside the building during the shooting
- owned and smuggled the rifle
- left their latent prints on the rifle
- lied to police about their whereabouts during the shooting
- took evasive action to get to their other weapons
- were ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting a cop and fleeing
- had the shells from the scene matched to their revolvers
- owned and were in possession of those revolvers
- were seen trying to hide from passing police
- were seen ducking into theaters to dodge more passing police
- were caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop
- fought so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming them
- observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing
- refused to cooperate with investigators
- turned down help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association
- acted so smug they even convinced their own brothers they were guilty
- just shrugged hollow, rambling replies when asked hours later on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
@@aaronz7056you forgot to mention that the actual shooter is behind the fence next to the pergola, he then runs to a nearby agent, who takes the gun apart, puts it in a bag and they all walk off in opposite directions. Because that's how Clean Ops work. Not clowns like Oswald that never would've pulled it off. Oswald hadn't touched a rifle in 4+ years. Cheap plastic scope that wasn't sighted, cheap garbage WW1 Italian rifle. Just stop.
You're assuming that "Oswald" fired 3 shots. What if he or whomever fired only one shot? There was likely complete chaos for the first few minutes especially if crowds of people were rushing to the knoll. ( they were) It would have been easy for the shooters to exit and escape if they fired ONLY one shot and left.
Beware. The Cia bots have entered the comment section.
"Beware. The Cia bots have entered the comment section."
And yet, "strangely," you have been helplessly unable to ever, ever, ever prove that even one person who has posted any comment to any UA-cam video about the JFK assassination is even distantly associated with the CIA in any way whatsoever.
Sounds like you're merely once again promoting yet another silly tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that has no basis in proven fact.
No, they just see value in alerting the unwary when they are being misled by crackpots so paranoid they assume anybody not on board for this silly conspiracy talk must be a CIA bot.
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Study the method: When you have no cause for your case, and no cogent argument whatsoever, just blame it all on "CIA bots."
And now with AI those CIA bots are going to have a great time.
Great presentation! I especially liked the analysis of the bus transfer. I have not heard that explained so intricately before.
Tradecraft has several methods for two assets who have never met before to recognize each other. The official explanation of the bus transfer sounds more likely, but a torn ticket half matching the other ticket half is a time-honored recognition signal. Oswald was reported to have been shifting seats in the main theater seating--and also reported to be in the balcony. It is possible that Oswald was meeting someone there and was using either a bus transfer or his theater ticket to ID his contact. The theater ticket wasn't found--and the official story is that Oswald had no theater ticket. Or he ditched it when confronted by multiple plainclothes detectives.
There's lots of "what if" stories. "What happened" is difficult to determine.
@@alancranford3398 How about we stick with the actual EVIDENCE for a novel idea?
@@aaronz7056 I've processed evidence at crime scenes. Sometimes the evidence is subtle--orange smears turned out to be paint balls. The incident in Phoenix was a drive-by shooting--and I gathered enough evidence to allow the police to clear the case by arrest. They had the paintball gun and the culprits folded like a house of cards when questioned.
@@aaronz7056Trying to shutdown free thought and speech, Little Mockingbird Aaron??? How novel!!!
@@TheListOf You're drunk.
Nalley's uncle was DPD Motorcycle Cop: James M Chaney, who was next to the Limo! The HSCA did a piss poor job of searching for him. I found him in 2 minutes search on Ancestry! He still lives near Dallas!
He's still alive? Can you share some details? I'd like to interview him
It's all cia, unknown history, about JFK
Many CIA agents were drunk at Rubys night before and were terrified when George Carlin, great comedian, did an imitation of JFK and they thought he was in club! Can you imagine!
I believe that was secret service agents. Even worse.
The Cellar wasn't Ruby's club
That was the Cellar in Fort Worth. But you are correct they were tanked and more than one lost their I.D.s while visiting the Cellar. Interesting because more than one person claimed they were stopped by agents on the knoll who showed Secret Service I.D. even though the Secret Service stated they had NO ONE behind the picket fence.
It should be noted Dallas police officer Rodger Craig also maintained up to his questionable death that he witnessed the 45 slug being found beside the road. He described the slug as being bloody.
Craig was very unreliable: he claimed he saw Oswald get into a station wagon by the knoll right after the shooting - mind you, Craig changed his story around over the years. You might want to stop quoting Craig, lol.
@@peterfraser9070that could have been a double. There where at least 3 Oswald’s.
@@peterfraser9070raig was not unreliable...he was a very good honest cop who even won officer of the year.
Craig had 3 attempts on his life and still told the truth..if he was unreliable then they wouldn't keep on trying to kill him..he was fired for helping Jim build his case...I believe you should do more research on Craig and the assassination respectfully.
A .45 slug proves conspiracy but the HSCA found evidence of a conspiracy so I don't need to prove that as it's in their report.
@@waltercrawford3639 I heard a theory that there was a Kennedy double in the motorcade just in case someone did try to shoot him. The real Kennedy wasn't shot.
@@peterfraser9070 And to say that Craig was very unreliable is an understatement. He also changed his story repeatedly regarding the rifle on the sixth floor. The first time he ever claimed that rifle to have been a Mauser was in the 1970s. But before that he had specifically said he had no idea what type of rifle it was, other than "foreign." He also said in 1968 that there was a Mauser, but that it was found on the roof, not the sixth floor. By the 1970s he acted as if he had never said any rifle was found on the roof, and instead transferred the "Mauser" from being found on the roof to being found on the sixth floor. And in his earliest statements he said nothing about ever once touching the rifle himself, but he later made up the obvious lie that he handled the rifle himself, even though all other witnesses either made no mention of such a thing, or else specifically said that the only two people who ever touched the rifle at all while it was on the sixth floor were Carl Day and Will Fritz. Craig also invented the lie, which he did not tell for the first time until the 1970s, that Seymour Weitzman pointed to the word "Mauser" on the rifle and called everyone's attention to it. But in no statement Weitzman ever made on any date in any year, spoken or written, did he say he saw any words, or letters, or numerals on the rifle.
How did Oswald get back in the USA after defecting to the USSR, and giving up his US citizenship. All at the height of the Cold War. Also, how did he end up working in a building that overlooked a presidential motorcade. A parade route that does an awkward slow turn at that very building. I was born at night, but not last night! To much coincidence….
Oswald never gave up his US citizenship.
@mickeydoolittle2057 Apparently, you were not born early enough. Oswald got his job at the TSBD on October 15, five weeks before the motorcade route was ever decided, and almost six weeks before it was made public.
@@stddisclaimer8020
That’s not much time before. A month or so. Seems suspect to me. Him getting his citizenship back that quick, seems unlikely during the Cold War. Just saying…I guess some will believe anything.
@@mickeydoolittle2057 Oswald never renounced his U.S. citizenship, thus there was nothing for him to get back, nor was there any law which prohibited him from returning to the U.S.
@@stddisclaimer8020Who else did the same?
So according to him... Oswald missed his bus after 1:15, continued on his way, saw Tippet, turned around, causing the confrontation after Tippet had already been pronounced dead at Methodist hospital... In his opinion...😶
The problem with guys like this, is they have done some good work on part of the issue, but then make us lose interest in it because they say things we know not to be factual. There is sooooo much evidence against LHO NOT being the shooter, and that it is the CIA, Mafia and high up loop of intelligence agencies that got this done. Including some of the people who should have been protecting JFK, by that i mean his SS detail. Hiding information, taking the body away instead of leaving after the autopsy was performed, so the body could be altered. Absolute Joke!!!
Tippit was pronounced dead at Methodist at 1:25 PM.
Pretty Sketchy...
Not true....that was not Oswald's bus stop and Oswald would have no reason to be there. Oswald was picked up at a different bus stop one block from his house and dropped off behind the theater. The real Oswald entered the Thester at 1:07 and was seen by numerous people trying to find a contact. The real Oswald was at the concession stand around 1:15 before heading back inside the theater. The fake Oswald killed Tippet and then left a trail of breadcrums leading the police to the theater where he went to the balcony. The police arrived and arrested the real Oswald and took him out the front door. The fake Oswald was lead out the back door as seen by two theater workers and a third witness outside.
@@kegeshook1734officially recorded by the doctor as 1:15.
Just a point about a 45 bullet versus a rifle bullet… Both the manlicher and the Mauser (which some say, was actually used) both had ammunition available with rounded tips… Particularly the ammunition that was produced during the wars in which these guns were used.
No Mauser was ever found, cops admitted they initially misidentified the unfamiliar Carcano at first. News film alone clearly proves it to be the Carcano, to which every bullet and fragment ever found were matched.
Many years ago it was in a Belgian newspaper that at least 4 people were shooting at JFK from several places. The story about 1 or more found bullets is known by many. Probably the appointed people already found other bullets before any one of the public could. There also was a (i think American) docu event on our television in which a specialist in ballistics tried to imitate the so called actions LHO did in trying to kill JFK on the same spot and the same time frame. He concluded that it was totally impossible with the so called rifle of LHO and also that the angles of the bullets did not matched the impact. Personally i also have big questions about the fatal bullet and firearm used with it. To me that looked as it was a new kind of explosive bullet which would not had been available to any one else than a big organisation...no civilian. And not matching an old kind of rifle.
It has been suggested that the headshot was made by a frangible bullet, one that breaks apart into multiple fragments at a high speed in all directions.
@03333032 Give up writing true-crime *_fiction_* . It's not your _metier_ .
@@shuroom57 It has been suggested (with good reason) that your argument was made with flawed logic, an argument that breaks apart into multiple fragments when exposed to the harsh light of critical examination.
@@stddisclaimer8020 No but this version i believe!
@@03333032 You're free to believe a version which breaks apart into multiple fragments when exposed to the harsh light of critical examination. That says much about you; none of it good.
Pretty powerful presentation. Thanks for this
Thanks for highlighting Buddy Walthers. So fascinating. His strange behaviour as an "acolyte" of Sherriff Bill Decker is bizarre to say the least. Thanks
These guys were not part of some sinister conspiracy and cover up. lol
@@aaronz7056But you are, isn't that right, Mockingbird Aaron?
😅😅😅😅😅
@@TheListOf You're drunk.
@@aaronz7056 or on hallucinagens...or both
@@TheListOf yes, he is right
Good information in this presentation. We now know that CIA operative Ruben Efron was opening Oswald s mail prior to the act. We know the FBI was monitoring Oswald and it was known he went to Mexico City and contacted a KGB agent. Why they weren’t putting Oswald on ice during the president’s visit is alarming ! Unless he was the patsy and they needed him there. We know an assassination plot was underway in Chicago that was foiled and that at least two Latin men got away. I wonder now if these same guys were the fellows that Mr. Meek speaks about meeting in Dallas with Oswald? I always question the Magic bullet theory because of a few things . One shot hit the curb down range (Tegue) was hit by a speck of debris. In the limo the chrome trim above the windshield was dented and there was also a hole or or impact in the windshield on the left side. One bullet goes through both men including rib and wrist bone contact lightly distorted ,but the head shot fragments causing the trim dent and windshield damage ? That trim dent was a sizable impact. I will never believe there was one shooter! The CIA and FBI dropped the ball at minimum and by this time any documents pointing to what we want to know is likely removed ad replaced to fit the Warren report. On a closing note I really think it’s implausible for a cop riding a motorcycle to tell the caliber of a bullet that bounces of the fender while in motion. I do think a bullet was found in the grass. Thank you Mr Meek for your hard work !
LHO did not go to Mexico City. He us documented being in TX, getting unemployment transferred from New Orleans, as d trying to see gov. Connelly to get an honorable discharge.
Those were doubles seen in Mexico.
It was not Oswald in Mexico....
@@F.W.Goodsell Charles Rogers and or Charles Harrelson were in Mexico, not Oswald.
Oswald never went to Mexico City. The CIA sent an Oswald look-alike so they could use that as evidence that he was a lone nut who wanted to get a Visa to go to Cuba.
Regardless, the cia evidently knew the big event was going down real real soon, and stood down, thus adding to their never ending list of F ups. Allen Dulles being F UP #1.
I have an old library book from 1964 called Four Days,The Historical Record of the Death of President Kennedy
by Catton, Bruce
Publisher American Heritage.
with alot of original photos & police transcripts from the assassination and the days after.
back in 1991 a library neer where i live was giving old books out for free sometimes. and this book was among them.
is it rare?, i dont know, but its super cool to have a 59 year old book covering the assassination. 🙂🎥📙
I have the book too. It is very common!
@thelocalbubble
If possible can you please provide us the name and author of the book. I would appreciate it. Thank You.
@@juancervantes4085 the book is called Four Days,The Historical Record of the Death of President Kennedy
by Catton, Bruce
Publisher American Heritage.
@@thelocalbubble
Thank You.
Instant government propaganda.
Fascinating bit about Oswald speaking Spanish. I was not aware of that Spanish speaking phone caller who called the rooming house and asked for O.H. Lee.!. Also... When LHO went to visit N.O. Atty Dean Andrews about getting his dishonorable discharge reversed/expunged, Andrews testified he saw him 4 or 5 more times and each time the same Mexican guy was with him, same Mexican guy he came in with the first time. He didn't say they were speaking Spanish, but it's suggestive that maybe Oswald could speak Spanish, or knew some Spanish, if he was hanging out with this Mexican man. Andrews also testified that the same Mexican was leaning against a display window of a store in front of which LHO was passing out his handbills.
There's also the two Oswald theory. According to that, one spoke fluent Russian and the other none at all. So maybe Spanish was the other one's thing?
Whoever these men (or man) were, they were far from stupid.
He was passing out per Clay Shaw...
One of the videos I watched showed a man that looked like Oswald, but was not Oswald that was detained and they didn't go into it any further, but I have seen other videos where they said there were two oswalds. One looked enough like the other one to be his twin brother almost. I don't understand why this subject has not been brought back up?
Because it's ludicrous, crackpot, paranoid rubbish without a shred of credible evidence for it?
Paul paine looked alot like oswald
Interesting, I always thought about, if their were multiple people that looked like Oswald
Fascinating Video. I learned so much about the JFK assassination and a lot of the minor personalities. Interestingly, Agent Barret was both at the Dealy Plaza when the 45 slug was found, and also at the Tippit murder scene when the wallet was found. He was questioned by Capt Westbrook concerning the I.D. of Oswald and H. Heidell. He is a major figure for good or bad in this sordid affair.
What's that got to do with all the evidence against Oswald? By the way you know full well no bullet was found there.
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@@jaimethompson2608you deep state?
Sorry Davie (the conspiracy-addled boy), no .45 slug was ever found.
@@stddisclaimer8020 ok deep state guy. You cia?
Best lecture I ever heard on Oswald. I almost feel like I have "closure" on this topic. It's all so sad, though.
I know what you mean about wanting closure. Here's an aspect that I think has given "closure" for me... It's a long read!
Apparently the entire DPD with all it's departments couldn't muster a single old reel-to-reel tape recorder for Oswald's interviews. Heck by that time many teenagers had tape recorders!
To imply that tape recordings were rare or some kind of new technology, --I'm sorry nobody who knows anything about the 1960's would buy that line. Some history for context:
Reel-to reel magnetic tape had started seeing use by some branches of government from the late 1940's and was in regular use even at many schools by the mid fifties. At the time of the JFK event, even the small "compact cassette" that lawyers still use today had already been available earlier that year. RCA tape cartridges, which had seen wide use for their convenience since 1958, were just months away from being discontinued. The old reel-to-reel audio recorders were positively "old hat" by then, and even many middle class teenagers had been given the cheaper but perfectly adequate reel-to-reel recorders for birthdays and at Christmas.
More affordable Japanese offerings like the convenient, small and compact Sony 464 "Tapecorder" were readily available from early 1963, and these produced excellent recording quality.
In 1963, Some government departments were still using bulky briefcase-sized or bigger reel-to reel recorders because of their robust mechanisms and familiarity to users.
So my point is this: are we supposed to believe that a Boeing jet worth tens of millions of dollars could be availed for the service of a president, but a basic old reel-to-reel tape recorder was too much to ask for the exceedingly important investigation pertaining to the same president? Really? If for some bizarre reason there were just no tape recorders spare in any government department for several square miles, there remains no doubt that in a major city like Dallas, Texas, the Chief of the police department, J.E Curry, couldn't order his secretary or some underling to draw funds from his petty cash and rush to the nearest electronics store or home department store to buy one. Heck, I'm sure one could be hired for a few dollars a week! There is just no way to spin this. They had nearly 48 hours within which to tape record a simple statement and/or interview Oswald. This was especially important to do in the crucial first 24 hours after the shooting, whilst things are still fresh, and yet all they could muster was to scrawl some notes on a piece of paper? What? Really? Given the extreme profile of this case it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect them to have availed a camera, such as was used by TV reporters/crews, and with spare reels of tape at the ready, train a camera on every move of Oswald with audio of every grunt and syllable that emanated from his mouth.
The bottom line is they were either all on very strong sedatives or they clearly had something to hide, and the latter is so obvious by now. Oswald was no ordinary scapegoat, and he had a main shadow job as a 'spook' that they felt nobody should ever know about!
@@jimmycricket5366 I believe it was pointed out very early that the hallway outside the interview room was full of men with recording equipment who would have cooperated. Also, I think a phone call or two to a leading citizen could have found somebody to bring them a private tape recorder, within the hour, if they wanted one. (I got a tape recorder for Christmas, myself, in 1965. )
@@hermanhale9258 Thank-you for the reply! I think what annoys me is the WC apologists today are dishonest when they try to paint the picture, especially to younger people, that the sixties were the dark ages and "new technology" like tape recording had hardly been used for investigations. Voice recordings in investigations started in the 1930's with wire tapes and recordings were in use in Germany in the 1920's.
If a similar event happened today, it would be like saying, "Officials at the police station homicide department were unable to investigate the suspect's Facebook account because WiFi had not yet been installed at the central station..".
To me, this blatant unwillingness to tape Oswald's interview is one of the top three "smoking guns". It very much ties in with "dead men don't talk". Clearly Oswald wasn't just a "nobody" like they like to tell us, and that was the "Achilles heel" to the whole cov-er-up.
@@jimmycricket5366 Yes, good example. I didn't know anyone made excuses for the cops.
Anyone who watches Ruth Paine being interviewed, and cannot see that she is highly trained in being deceptive and trained to be extremely mentally manipulative, shouldn't be trusted to hold their own lunch money.
Exactly.
Ruth Paine, who is still alive-
Is connected to the CIA.
I find this very interesting and agree with your analysis. The French connection is new to me. Thank you for your research. And you are correct it was not Oswald.
"And you are correct it was not Oswald."
He is correct that what wasn't Oswald? The shooter in Dealey Plaza? The shooter of Tippit? If so, nope, it has never been proven that the shooter in either location was someone else besides Oswald, even if you were to argue that it also hasn't been proven that it was Oswald. If I'm wrong, say the full name of the Dealey Plaza shooter and also say the full name of the Tippit shooter (if that was a different person from the Dealey Plaza shooter) and please describe in detail your proof that you are naming the correct person or persons and not just making it up out of thin air or getting it from someone else who was just making it up out of thin air. Thanks. Oh, and it doesn't count if you name any of these,
James Files
Charles Harrelson
Chauncey Holt
Charles Nicoletti
Johnny Roselli
Lucien Sarti
Frank Sturgis
Malcolm Wallace
W. R. Westbrook
Roscoe White
because not only have none of them ever been proven to have even been in Dealey Plaza at all that day, or proven to have been at the scene of the Tippit shooting that day, several of them have never been proven to have even been in Dallas that day, or in Texas that day, and a few of them have been demonstrated to almost certainly be total frauds.
Well?
Conspiracy of our own government killed the President
One of the shooters of Tippit was Ruby's buddy Larry Crawford it was Larry's coat that was found under the car supposedly by Cap'n Westbrook Larry Crawford looked like Oswald then the other shooter of Tippit was a guy who matched Ruby's description as stated by the witness in his truck as well as Acquila Clemmons statements to DPD officers
@@SuperErikRoss "One of the shooters of Tippit was Ruby's buddy Larry Crawford it was Larry's coat that was found under the car supposedly by Cap'n Westbrook"
You seem to be talking about Curtis LaVerne "Larry" Crafard (not "Crawford") and your proof that that was Craford's coat that was found under the car is, what, exactly?
"Larry Crawford looked like Oswald"
Nonsense, I'm looking at photos of Larry Craford right now in the midst of typing this sentence, and he does not look especially like Oswald to me.
"then the other shooter of Tippit was a guy who matched Ruby's description as stated by the witness in his truck as well as Acquila Clemmons statements to DPD officers"
Say the full name of the witness in the truck who said not only that there were two shooters but that one of them looked like Jack Ruby. The only witness in a truck at the Tippit scene I know of is Domingo Benavides and I have seen him being quoted as saying there was only one shooter and that he looked like Oswald, and I have also seen and heard him on film saying there was only one shooter and that he looked like Oswald. And Acquila Clemons didn't say she saw two shooters. She said that after she heard the shots being fired she went outside and saw one man holding a gun, and across the street from him another man who was not holding a gun. And she is only one witness. What about the larger number of other witnesses who said that the man either was Oswald or looked reasonably similar to Oswald? Is there some reason why Clemons should be considered to be more credible than all those other witnesses combined?
@@Caeruleo ok buddy you're like my high school English teacher no matter how you say the word or spell the word its still the same word a rose by any other name is still a rose Larry Crawford or Larry Craford however you want to spell it is still Larry actually Lawrence is his name And Lawrence looked enough like Oswald to identify him as Oswald . I have only seen the video of Domingo Benevides stating he saw two men at the scene one of whom he described as matching Rubys description Which corroborate's Acquila's statement that she saw two men at the scene. I'm not real good at math but 1 + 1 = 2 as far as I can remember It's been quite some time since I been in school tho so forgive me if i have erred anyhoo more than one person makes it a conspiracy i'm pretty sure I hope that helps to clear things up 🙂
What i found interesting was the mention of a French connection and the name Jean Rene Souetre.
This is the first time I have heard this name mentioned.
It made me think of the TV documentary, The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
In that programme, there is a mention of a french connection to the city of Marseille, which was a well known recruitment point for assassin's, and the series implied there may have been three shooters, one of them named as possibly Lucien Sartie.
The other point is that, the investigator claimed that the men were flown out to Montreal, and then onward to europe.
That investigator also hilariously stated "I've become convinced Oswald had nothing to do with the assassination," a declaration so removed from reality it's impossible to take seriously anything that comes out of his mouth. The Men Who Killed Kennedy was lie-packed, paranoid rubbish made by gullible producers who fell for every conspiracy theory they were told and which gives endless screen time - and uncritical credibility - to the likes of Gordon Arnold, Robert Groden, Beverly Oliver, Jean Hill, Jim Garrison, Fletcher Prouty... all of them demonstrable liars and grifters. When they start lecturing about multiple Oswald clones running around Dallas all you can do is laugh.
I'd like to know more .. ; ✌️
@@garrywilliams8479
The implication is that the CIA routinely used hit men for certain jobs in North and South America, who had no profile in the US.
I think Marseille was one of the international hubs for the recruitment of highly professional hit men, the others being Beirut and Hong Kong I believe.
Marseille was also known as a hotbed of activity for the Corsican mafia, and a link to a major drug smuggling network into the US, if you have ever seen the film The French Connection, based on true events.
The name Lucien Sartie, may have been a cover name, but I believe he was supposedly killed in a shooting in Mexico City, around 1970.
Exactly. There were 3 hit teams shooting. One from France, one from Cuba, and one from Chicago
@@Qteskimo No doubt you will now finally deliver your ironclad evidence for this ridiculous assertion. Yes, somebody desperate to frame this on Oswald had a whole squad of guys firing away from multiple directions, that's brilliant.
The assassination happened on the part of the route that was changed shortly before 22nd! Interesting!
Even more interesting: the parade route was never changed, it was accurately described in the Dallas newspapers right from the beginning, that was the standard parade route through Dallas and you can't drift between lanes to get to the onramp to the Stemmons Freeway where the motorcade was heading... and don't think Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone didn't know all that.
@@aaronz7056Most interesting? Seeing little Mockingbird 🐦 Aaron Z try to convince everyone here that his information is the only true information! Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheListOf It's called listing a quoting actual evidence, are you drunk or something?
@@TheListOf I guess you can make up anything and call it "your truth"...
@@TheListOf "Most interesting? Seeing little Mockingbird 🐦 Aaron Z try to convince everyone here that his information is the only true information! Lol"
Oh, you didn't know that it is indeed a proven fact that the motorcade route was never changed after it was first announced to the public three days before the assassination? Thus Aaron is entirely correct about that.
This is my problem with the JFK assassination.
Oswald was 81m or 266ft from JFK when he was shot.
He was shooting down at a 17-degree angle.
JFK was sitting straight up when hit in the back and exited his neck.
The bullet entered his back a couple inches below his neck and exited his throat higher than where it went in.
Oswald was on the second floor shooting down at a 17-degree angle.
The bullet was traveling upward in Kennedy's body.
Then JFK grabbed his neck and leaned over toward Jacqueline. He sat back up pretty straight before the headshot.
The headshot hit Kennedy near the right temple and blew the upper back of his head off. According to the Doctor's statements, the wound was 4 to 5 inches in diameter on the back of his head on the right side. He was
sitting almost straight up leaning to the left slightly with his head tilted slightly forward.
So the headshot would have had to go almost straight through his head almost parallel with the car.
Remember he had a back brace on. He didn't slump over much when he was hit in the neck.
Jacqueline climbed on the back of the car and retrieved a piece of his skull and brain matter. She gave this to the Doctors in the ER according to the Doctors.
The Zapruder film shows all of this and shows his head being blown back. It also shows Jacqueline retrieving the skull/brain fragment.
According to the autopsy photos and the Doctor's statements, the headshot went from front to back exiting slightly lower in the back.
Connally was hit in the back just below the shoulder blade, and the bullet had gone completely through the Governor's chest, taking out part of the fifth rib. After leaving the body, he said, the bullet struck the Governor's right wrist, causing a compound fracture.
@Ray-sj2iw excellent analysis, good attention to all details
Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot anyone that day.
Period
When describing firearms in cases where firearms are involved, the orator must be accurate 100% of the time. I've heard for an example here Oswald's snub-nosed revolver he took with himself when he changed clothes, referred to as a pistol.
This is the same as someone talking about a pickup truck used in a crime in one sentence. Then calling it a car in the next sentence.
While I can see your point a revolver is a type of pistol.
@@sgtcwhatley they both fall under the title of handguns. Then that breaks down into single shot, revolvers both single action and double action, and pistols being auto loading which eject brass.
That was simplistic but helps explain it.
I have heard a minority (admittedly) of firearms experts defend the acceptability of referring to a revolver as a pistol. This is an arcane subject. In Spanish, for example, a revolver is often referred to as a pistola.
@@mnfowler1 when I had to make notes at calls I always took a look at the firearm(s) involved. Some may write “the perp had a shotgun”, now what gauge was it? Single shot, side x side, over/under, pump action, semiautomatic? Not to mention the serial # and loaded/ empty, loaded with how many rounds, proper name for the specific ammunition and brand of ammo found or headstamp details for surplus military ammo. Details matter if it’s going to see the inside of a courtroom.
@@14goldmedals what no one has mentioned is how effective the FBI was in the time it took them to obtain originals o from the mail order companys (1 in Chicago and 1 in California) the order slips for the weapons. Amazing! Does anyone know the time it took? 16 hours, if that ain't warp speed.
I am 77 yrs old already.. I read the early news of 1963 in the Internet about Limousin car of Pres, Kennedy there's a bullet hole in front mirror of it and they replace it the display at present in the mussium is not the original front mirror. who is the person who replaced it they know the connection of it..
Only damage to the limo, still in the National Archives, is a crack caused by a bullet fragment that also damaged the chrome plating from the inside.
☺️ I can’t remember where I heard/read this, but I thought a bullet casing/fragment was found imbedded in the front passenger door, and that an agent saw it & pocketed it once the limo had arrived at the hospital.
[Please forgive me if I have any of the details wrong; long COVID has impaired my memory😢]
The car was completely cleaned almost immediately by government employees. Then Linden Johnson had the vehicle upgraded and he never used that vehicle and it's in the museum today.
The car was never aloud to be part of the investigation. And the investigators never wanted to use the car as evidence. Because they knew it would blow their account out of the water.
JFK was rushed away from the Dallas Hospital by secret service after he was pronounced dead, to Washington where the autopsy was done there and most of the facts were covered up. Including the fact that he was shot by two different angles. From the back to the front at the neck and from the front to the back at the forehead...the second shot blew JFKs brain out the back of his head and on to the back of the car. That fact would have been shown if the car was aloud to be investigated and if the autopsy was done in Dallas.
Most of the investigation was a fabrication by the government to cover up a conspiracy the government and CIA and FBI planned and executed the murder of The President of the United States of America.
Today you see the same old sh1t. The government is trying to destroy Donald Trump. There is absolutely dirty rotting corruption, murder, genocide. EVIL EVIL inhumane in our governments.
They are all crimminals and they are using us.
It's time good men rise up to crush this EVIL.
details from George Whitaker of Ford Motor Co
Poor policeing ,that cop should have held LHO in the building,until it was cleared
That would have saved Tippit's life.
The limousine was a crime scene, they took it away and cleaned it. There's the start of the cover up
Some interesting facts about 11-22-63, that I had not heard before. Good stuff.
I think Ruth Payne is the central figure in all of it.
@r-trippin5078 The "central figure" of your conspiracy-crazed imagination.
In that case you will of course be calling a press conference TOMORROW and presenting to the world your ironclad evidence she is a conspirator in murder and treason, and fearlessly and openly challenge her not to sue your butt for libel, yes?
She is a key component.
I suspect she had a bigger role than what we've been lead to believe.
@@valentinius62 After nearly sixty years, there's no evidence to support what you "suspect." Another half-century (or more) will not change that.
This is an excellent presentation showing careful research and fact based evidence.
Pity he never gets around to mentioning the long list of evidence that points to Oswald doing this on his own.
@@aaronz7056 Yes a pity he also does not mention the long list of evidence that Oswald was a Naval Intelligence / CIA Asset in Russia, Fort Worth, New Orleans and Dallas. You can be sure Gary Frances Powers (U2 pilot) would have loved to compare notes with Oswald when he was released by the USSR in February 1962 having been shot down flying over Russia 6 months after Oswald went to defect there. :)
@@johnbellingham9067 There is no evidence Oswald had anything to do with that. You'll forgive me if I prefer to deal in the concrete evidence for Oswald's guilt in the assassination as you all but changed the subject there.
@@aaronz7056 Well, yes there is. When Lee Oswald told the US Embassy in Moscow that he was going to renounce his US citizenship he mentioned the bargaining chip of his knowledge of U2 flights gained working at Atsugi Airforce base in Japan as a radar operator. If he was not allowed to trade that information he would never have been allowed back into the US by the CIA. The defector program was designed to give misleading information mingled with accurate information to gain credibility with the Russians in the hope that the Russians would engage and thereby reveal other implicit information. Oswald was not intended to be a spy he was a sleeper. Coming back to the US early was his right but it did not make him very popular within the CIA. Lee Oswald mentioned Powers in a letter from Minsk to his older brother Robert Edward Lee Oswald Jr. The Warren Commission did not make much of the fact that Lee Oswald came from a fairly right-wing patriotic family related to the Confederate General Robert Edward Lee. His socialist/communist persona was a complete fake.
@@johnbellingham9067 There's no evidence that Oswald was a Naval Intelligence / CIA Asset in Russia, Fort Worth, New Orleans or Dallas.
There were living witnesses that "mysteriously died", before they could TESTIFY!!!!!
"Mysterious deaths list" is an hilarious hoax where everybody on it either had little or no connection to the case or else their causes of death were misreported to sound more "sinister."
The seven doctors in the trauma room at Parkland revealed their thoughts. Some of them belied the facts in 90s interrogatories, and at least two were brand new doctors.
Years later doctors were interviewed who were in the trauma room at Parkland Hospital Hospital. Dr. Jenkins reported that many doctors who said they were there were not, like people jumping on a City Bus after an accident.
The facts tell the tale of the wounds, and Dr. Sayler presented an accurate account of JFK's wounds. "Nothing prepared him for what he saw. "He was still breathing," he says. "It's sort of agonal, labored, close-to-your-last sort of breaths. But he still was breathing." As he looked down at the president's grave wound, Salyer says he thought it was a "major high-velocity injury." "And it's in a critical place," he said. "So the chances are pretty slim. And if he did survive, what would we have?"
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President John Kennedy, who suffered from chronic back pain, wore a heavy, corset-like brace that went from his chest to below his waist. When the president's clothes were removed, Salyer was surprised by what he found. Kennedy, who suffered from chronic back pain, was wearing a heavy, corset-like brace that went from his chest to below his waist. He believes it cost Kennedy his life. He's looked at the autopsy report and studied, frame by frame, the 26-second Zapruder film, which captured the assassination and the wounding of Texas Gov. John Connally. The first shot that hit him went through the soft tissue of the back of his shoulder ... and exited through his trachea," Salyer says. "That same bullet went through John Connally's chest, through his right hand and into his thigh and knocked him completely down in the car." The next shot -- the fatal shot -- hit the president in the head. "And then this is the second shot of JFK. ... He's still upright as a target, because he has the brace on, which makes it possible for Lee Harvey Oswald to hit him with a second shot," Salyer says. "I think that would not have happened if he had gone down like John Connally did." Kennedy's injuries were massive. Just 30 minutes after the shooting, he was pronounced dead. "I'd lost my hero in my hands, and he was gone," Salyer says. It was then that Salyer saw Mrs. Kennedy approach her husband's body -- a scene he will never forget. "We had covered him up after pronouncing him," he says. "She came over and leaned over his chest and took his hand out and put a ring on and did a ring ceremony as I witnessed that very delicate moment." A delicate moment on one of America's most tragic days."
I wrote Dealey Plaza - The End of Camelot. It explains everything about JFK's death and everything about Oswald.
I was at the Sniper's Nest in Sep 67. An easy shot. It is all in the book.
My neighbor in Wheaton, Md on Holdridge Rd was Emory Roberts. He was in charge of the Secret Service Detail riding right behind the President. After the shots were fired, he took charge. At Parkland, he immediately got Johnson into a limo to get to Air Force One to be flown away from Dallas and sworn in. Johsnon was sworn in on Air Force One at 2:30 p.m. two hours after JFK was shot. JFK was declared dead at 1 p.m.
I researched this for years studying every conspiracy story, and all the operators and players in great depth.
William Wells
Who you kidding son, you can't even place Oswald on the 6th floor at time of shooting let alone get people to believe a bunch of politicians. The jig is up son, nothing you can do to change that.
I've never heard of this dr. Sayler. Did he say he was in parkland? Every Dr. In parkland and most nurses all said the neck wound was an entry wound. Dr. Perry who did the trach later after being pressured by the FBI said he wasn't sure. It's hard to believe you've read so much about the assassination and still believe the bullet that entered his back went out through his neck. There is so much testimony that disputes that.
Salyer was a first-year resident in surgery at the time of the assassination, and so was also a "brand new doctor", it is worth noting. He also was occupied with placing an I.V. in JFK at the time of the examination and made no close examination of his wounds. His WC testimony is available in full at history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Salyer.pdf . His comments about the wounds quoted in this comment were based on the autopsy, which unquestionably misplaced JFK's back wound. I mention this not in support of any conspiracy theories but as bearing on the credibility of the quotes in the above comment.
Oswald was always headed for the Texas Theater, not some alternate location like 3126 Harlindale. There were several Cuban safehouses behind 1026 N. Beckley, so Cuban safehouses were no big deal to Oswald. First of all, he was supposed to take the bus and immediately south across the Trinity River was Tippit waiting with his cop car at the Gloco gas station to give Oswald a ride to the theater. Oswald abandoned the bus partly because of the traffic jam, but also because he was hearing JFK had been wounded. That wasn't part of the plan. The plan was for harmless bullets to fly past JFK's head, just as they had with the Gen. Walker training session. Once Oswald was hearing about JFK being wounded, he needed his pistol for back up. As Michael Paine said at Bell Helicopter, as soon as he heard on the radio Oswald had been captured, "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have any gun on him!" The plan is clearly exemplified by the 6:30 am visit of the Dallas Police to the theater on Nov. 22, to shove janitor Tom Bowden out of the way as reported to Laura Kittrell. They wanted to explore the layout of the rooms, how the hallways interconnected, and how everything went out to the back alley where Oswald was going to be chased and gunned down. The plan was for the theater. His flight from the scene of the assassination was scripted to parallel John Wilkes Booth fleeing Ford's Theater, and another American classic was going to be replayed in the theater alley. Just like John Dillinger had been gunned down in the Biograph Theater alley in Chicago, as Sam Giancana knew well. But the cops had to get their dance steps ready for their pending afternoon matinee performance, so they were there for an early morning study session. That plus the guys at the shoe store, later reporting a squirrelly non-paying Oswald, were buddies of Jack Ruby.
The plan fed to Oswald was that just like Gen. Walker had a harmless sham assassination bullet zoomed past his head, the same would be done for JFK. If JFK thought a Castro sympathizer had done the deed, he would get mad and invade Cuba the right way the next time around. This would make the commie pretender Oswald a key player and rehabilitate his reputation with the CIA from bum to hero after his botched job in Russia. The torn half of a dollar bill in his wallet was to recognize his CIA escape driver at the theater and the other torn half of a dollar bill was to recognize his CIA escape pilot from the Dallas Red Bird Airport. All Oswald had to do was hide inside the book depository for a universal alibi while others did the shooting. Get on another spiffy spyboy city bus to escape, and he was home free to rendezvous with Tippit at the Gloco gas station just south of the Trinity River into Oak Cliff. Tippit would get him to the Texas Theater, and the CIA would babysit him from there. That's why Oswald only had $13 on him when arrested, and had left $130 behind at Ruth Paine's for Marina. Oswald expected once he got to the theater he would be on government dole easy street. He didn't know the cops would approach slowly from the front inside the theater, trying to spook him to the back alley where multiple Dallas cops would be waiting to gun him down and complete the Dillingeresque story line.
On the bus Oswald was hearing about JFK being wounded. That wasn't supposed to happen, and he now needed his pistol for security. As Michael Paine said at Bell Helicopter, as soon as he heard Oswald had been arrested, "Goddamit! That moron wasn't supposed to have a gun on him!" But a desperate Oswald deviated via taxi for his pistol and a cop car honked for him at 1026 N. Beckley at 1:00 pm. Oswald shortly after rushed out and likely got into that cop car around the corner for a quick trip to the Texas Theater. The honking cop car seen and heard by Earlene Roberts had two cops inside, and Tippit's car at Tenth and Patton had an abandoned Dallas Police shirt tossed into the back seat. So when Tippit was heading to the theater with Oswald he likely was carrying a pretend cop who removed his shirt near Tenth and Patton then shot Tippit. The plan for Tippit was drop Oswald off at the theater, go to Tenth and Patton for last minute instructions from Westbrook about killing Oswald back at the theater to be a big national hero, and live a lush life after that. Because Westbrook helped set up Tippit to be shot, to become an excuse to draw police from Dealey Plaza to Oak Cliff (a late library book wouldn't do), Westbrook was rewarded later with a cushy CIA job in Saigon, as advisor to South Vietnamese police. This promotion was awarded by Edward Lansdale, head coordinator of the mechanics for the whole JFK assassination.
At the theater Oswald came in and sat next to a potential driver, but got no recognition signal. He got up to the concession stand and came back to sit next to another candidate CIA driver. Oswald kept going to the concession stand and sitting next to a new candidate every few minutes, and made himself look like a pandering freak in the process. After about 5 tries the cops came in the front way, approached Oswald slowly from the front, and gave him every chance to run off to be shot in the back or in the alley. For once Oswald realized he was being set up. Meanwhile the doppelganger Oswald had come in without paying, to provide an excuse for a police raid. Doppelganger hid upstairs and was fake arrested to downstairs and the back alley after Oswald was arrested out the front. Doppelganger Oswald was seen a few minutes later by mechanic T.F. White behind the wheel of PP4537 and later in the afternoon was seen fleeing Dallas on a CIA cargo flight to New Mexico, as witnessed by Air Force Sgt. Bob Vinson. Doppelganger's companion looked a lot like David Sanchez Morales, like the guy who drove him away from the book depository hillslope about 12:35 pm in a station wagon as seen by Roger Craig. So much was devoted to getting Oswald to the theater, and framing him there, that this was clearly the unique place for cornering Oswald and presumably silencing him. The runaway John Wilkes Booth part of the story worked OK for the assassination plotters, but the Dillinger part missed the mark.
@jackieow You were always headed for bad fiction writers emergency rehab.
@@stddisclaimer8020Speaking of "fiction" have you read the Warren Report?
@@MrAmbassador11 Have you any evidence which rebuts the evidence presented by not only the WC but also the HSCA? The answer is NO. Thus, you have no business even leaving a comment....
45 cal is also a popular black powder bullet even in black powder rifles, and smoke as seen by dozens of witness from the area of the fence atop the grassy knoll is consistent with a black powder firearm Discharge.
James Files claims a REMINGTON FIREBALL hand /rifle gun was used on the grassy knoll fence line. Brand new just introduced that year. FIREBALL name used in marketing because of smoke rings it produced. James files Texas inmate self proclaimed shooter. Video here on youtube.. more than BS but the Remington fireball interesting reference. The guns design silhouette..matches perfectly artwork that was put on the wall by KIMBELL Family art SOCIALITE for JFK Texas Hotel suite last night alive. The Ft Worth collection of artwork also had "The towers" building with open windows artwork....
Give you a million dollars if you can name dozens of witnesses that claimed to see smoke on the knoll.
@@rawbacon Ive seen photos taken from 18 fps still frame 8mm shot from across dealy plaza film shooter Nixon and dentist Bronson filming positions. Opposite angle of Zapruders doctored re-timed film. The cover up of all the 8mm gathered that day taking placed at sr 71 contractor film processing Kodaks Haweye film labs Rochester. weekend after the 22nd. Saturday to Sunday night . Thats where all the magic happened. That all came out in the 1990s house select committee on JFK assassination.
It's a totally different bullet, just in the same caliber. The regular .45 ACP is pressed into its case and is way different than the .45 that is pushed down with a ramrod and not part of a cartridge. No way to mistake one for the other.
The sewer is not the same now as it was in 1963. Many photographs show that the opening was much larger.
Right, he was shot from the sewer. Have known that my whole life. That is the key thing that was covered up. The government knows this and that is why they won't release the JFK FILES.
@@Ruby-eh2cr "Right, he was shot from the sewer. Have known that my whole life."
There is no possible way you could have "known" that since it has never come anywhere even remotely close to being proven that any shot was actually fired from the sewer, or that a man could even fit inside the sewer in the first place. Don't you mean that you have "believed" that your whole life, as it merely being your opinion? Also, the sewer was too low. JFK's head would not have been visible from that position. Even if a shooter could have fit in there, the shooter would have had to have fired through the side of the car to hit JFK's head. Also the exit damage on his head would have to be different from the damage to his head described at both Parkland and Bethesda. The exit would have been on the upper left of his head. But while Parkland and Bethesda appeared to disagree on some aspects of where the most serious damage to his head was, they both agreed that there was significantly more damage in the right half of his skull than in the left half. That is all wrong for a shot from the sewer.
"That is the key thing that was covered up. The government knows this and that is why they won't release the JFK FILES."
Oh, the government is not releasing the files specifically because the government "knows" that there was a shot from the sewer? I seriously doubt that's the reason, and you'll be helplessly unable to prove that it is, since you can't even prove there was a shot from the sewer in the first place.
@Caeruleo I stick to my statement and will answer all your question later . Unless the story is leaked before I get a chance . I am too tired to do it right now . But will later.
@@Ruby-eh2cr "I stick to my statement and will answer all your question later . Unless the story is leaked before I get a chance . I am too tired to do it right now . But will later."
Well, it's been three days since I received the email notification that you had posted this reply to me and I still see no further evidence produced by you. And I stand by *my* statement that the sewer was too low for a shot like that to work. Once again, even if a shooter could fit in that sewer, the shooter would not even be able to see JFK's head at all from that position. Photographic evidence from multiple sources proves that JFK was leaning far over to his left in the last second before the head shot. A shooter aiming from the sewer would have had to fired through the side of the car to hit JFK's head.
Also, I have been studying this assassination since 1988 and in all that time I have never once seen anything even remotely similar to proof that an adult man could even fit inside that sewer at all. No one has ever produced proof of the exact dimensions of the inside of the sewer that I recall ever seeing. Also I've never seen any proof of exactly where the shooter would have had to enter the sewer system and how he would have been able to find his way to the opening from which this shot was allegedly fired. Unless you can prove all of that, you don't have a case.
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs "Plus you can see the 3 men on the stairs jump in unison when the shot is fired so it cannot be covered up."
Those three men on the stairs include Emmett Hudson and a man in a bright red sweater. The man in the red sweater seems to throw up his hands in horror when JFK's head explodes and turns to run up the stairs, looking back behind him at the limousine while he does so. He appears to be reacting to seeing JFK's head explode rather than to hearing the sound of the shot.
And Emmett Hudson himself testified that all three shots sounded as if they came from much farther away, from the general area of the TSBD. He never said anything about any one individual shot sounding much louder and/or closer to him than the others.
"You are a disinfo agent."
ROFL! So just because a person honestly disagrees with you about the JFK assassination that automatically makes them a "disinfo agent"? Nonsense. It is actually you people who claim that it is a proven fact that JFK was shot from the sewer who are the real disinfo agents, because you are falsely claiming unproven speculation to be proven fact.
"The final shot came from that sewer opening"
Nope, that has never been proven to be true. You are merely speculating or getting this from someone else who was merely speculating. I say again, correctly and truthfully, at the time of the fatal head shot JFK was already leaning far over to the left toward Jackie. After he is wounded in the upper back and throat and he raises both of his hands in front of his mouth and throat you can see Jackie put her white-gloved hand on his left arm and appear to draw him toward her between frames 230 and 310 or so of the Zapruder film, and her hand can be seen on his left arm in the Altgens6 photo also. Thus his head would not have been visible to a shooter in the sewer. You are acting as if his head was still way over at the right side of the car by then and that is not true. I am indeed correct when I say that the one and only way a shooter in the sewer could have hit his head would be to fire through the side of the car. If you claim I'm wrong about that, then it is indeed you who is the disinfo agent, not me.
Prove that the fatal head shot was fired from the sewer. Just saying it was isn't good enough. You have to also prove that it was by discussing solid evidence of it in detail. Otherwise it is indeed you who is the disinfo agent.
Say the full name of any witness who said they saw a shooter in the sewer, and also quote that person's exact words saying so, and also name the original primary source of the quote so that the rest of us can see for ourselves that you are quoting them accurately. Oh oops, that's right, none of the 200+ Dealey Plaza witnesses who ever gave statements of any type about the shooting ever claimed that, so you'll have no one to name or quote.
Say the full name of any witness who said that even one of the shots sounded like it came from the sewer, and also quote that person's exact words saying so, and also name the original primary source of the quote so that the rest of us can see for ourselves that you are quoting them accurately. Oh oops, that's right, none of the 200+ Dealey Plaza witnesses who ever gave statements of any type about the shooting ever claimed that, so you'll have no one to name or quote.
Say the full name of any person who took a film or photograph clearly showing a shooter in the sewer. Oh oops, that's right, no such film or photograph exists, so you can't truthfully name any such person.
So where's the actual proof of a shooter in the sewer? Are you going to produce such proof for the first time ever, or are you just going to continue to evade it and falsely claim that people who are rightfully challenging your assertions to be "disinfo agents" when it's really you who is the disinfo agent?
And if there was a shooter in the sewer to JFK's right, or right front, why wasn't there any exit damage on the *left* side of his head? The Parkland doctors and nurses consistently said that the hole they saw was in the *right* rear of his head, not the left. Would you like me to quote them verbatim saying exactly what I claim they said, along with naming the original primary sources of the quotes? I can very easily do so, as I have done previous times on the internet.
And if the fatal head shot came from the sewer, why do frames 312-313 show JFK's head suddenly jolting forward upon being struck by the bullet? And don't lie and tell people here that that's not true, because it is irrefutably proven in these two UA-cam videos:
"Analysis Of JFK Zapruder Film Frames 312 and 313" posted by oldgoldtop on December 5, 2016
"JFK NEW FILE RELEASE NEW FILM !!! NOT back & left, NOT back and." posted by birdandthe on December 27, 2013
You do realize that you'll make yourself look like a fool if you claim those two videos don't show what I claim they show, since everyone else, including your own fellow conspiracy believers, can easily go look at those videos for themselves and see plain as day that they do indeed show what I say they show, correct?
And both John and Nellie Connally said all the shots they heard sounded as if they came from behind the limousine and none from any other direction. They also both said that immediately after the third and final shot they saw pieces of JFK's brain land all over them and all over the inside of the car. Would you like me to quote their exact words saying so?
Roy Kellerman said that immediately after the fatal head shot he saw flesh come flying forward between him and the driver, William Greer. Would you like me to quote his exact words saying this?
So how does a shot fired from the right, or from the front right, cause so much material from JFK's head to exit forward from his head? Explain that in detail, please.
"and yes this has been a major part of the coverup"
According to you. But all you're doing is saying it's true without producing any evidence whatsoever that proves it's true.
"and yes they intentionally changed that sewer opening"
Even if they did, so? The sewer was still too low for the shooter to see JFK's head at that time. JFK's head was too far over to the left at that time. His head was no longer close to the right side of the car. This is the mistake you appear to keep making.
"and yes it was a clear shooting lane back then"
Nope. The photographic evidence proves irrefutably that JFK's head was too far over toward the middle of the car for such a shot to work.
"and no you cannot lie about it"
Since I'm not lying, that statement is nonsensical.
"because 3 men standing on the stairs jumped in unison when the fireball was fired."
How do you know that they didn't jump at the sight of JFK's head exploding open instead of due to the sound of the shot? Quote them verbatim in their own exact words saying specifically that it was the sound of the shot that startled them, instead of the sight of JFK's head exploding open, and name the original primary sources of the quotes. Oh but oops, that's right, only one of the three men, Emmett Hudson, was ever identified and ever made any documented statements about the shooting, and he never said anything about being startled by the sound of the fatal head shot, and as I have *correctly* said above, said that none of the shots sounded as if they were fired from any closer to him than the others.
Oh, and you are incorrect: all three of the men do not jump. Only two of them do, the two unidentified men, one of them being the man in the red sweater I mentioned above. Hudson, however, just stands there. He does not jump, nor is he seen to move at all in the Muchmore and Nix films.
Very nice presentation.
The disappointing thing about this video is that Mr. Meek does not go very far in drawing conclusions about 3126 Harlandale, Dallas, Texas, which was reportedly visited more than once by accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. The implication that is unstated in this video is that Oswald may have had reason to believe that some of his Cuban friends, who lived at or nearby this address, would help him to lie low for a while and eventually to escape.
I was pleased to learn from this video just who Dep. Sheriff E.R. "Buddy" Walthers' mysterious informant was. It was his own mother-in-law, Lillian V. Robinson. I had previously drawn the conclusion that the discrepancy in Walthers' two memos regarding the exact address showed that he had not visited the location and was only reporting hearsay. (At least when he wrote the first memo, he either had not been there or had not paid attention to how the houses on that street were numbered. You see, he initially said the house number was 3128.)
The contradictory aspect of Meek's own information is that he says that a city directory showed the occupant of 3126 in 1963 to be someone named William A. McDaniel. Then, later in the talk, he says that the occupant was Jorge Salazar. He is pleased that the address was the same--3126--but he does not comment on the different names of the resident, except to say that McDaniel was not the owner of the house, according to the directory. (Which directory, I wonder?)
I had looked into this matter myself after I first saw Walthers' memos a year or two ago. By consulting Polk's City Directories for Dallas in the 1960s, I learned that Jorge Salazar was listed as the head of the household and that he resided at 3126 before 1963 and after 1963--perhaps as late as 1966, as I recall. This calls into question the information in Walthers' second memo that said the Cubans staying at 3126--according to Mrs. Robinson, who lived at 3130--moved out between November 16 and 23.
Why could she not be sure whether it was the weekend before the assassination or the weekend following it, or sometime in between? And did she mean she thought that there were Cubans staying in the house other than Salazar and his wife (Rosa) who moved out, or that she thought that everyone moved away including the Salazars. (If she thought that, she was mistaken.)
It is my understanding that other Cubans--who may have gathered at the Salazars' place from time to time--actually lived within a few blocks of 3126, having had their own residences in the same neighborhood.
Let us face it. Mrs. Robinson was, to put it charitably, the unofficial neighborhood watch; and to put it uncharitably, she was a busybody. As likely as not, she probably misinterpreted a lot of what she saw going on at her neighbor's house.
That does not mean that she was not onto something in spite of herself. Lee Oswald probably did visit Salazar, who along with other Cubans in the neighborhood did have political connections that Oswald might have shared. (Whether pro-Castro or anti-Castro, or both, this was confused--some think deliberately.)
If Oswald was, as Meek believes, being set up as a patsy, Oswald must have believed that Salazar or one of his neighbors would help him. (Who is to say he was necessarily on his way to Salazar's house when he might have known the address of one of the other Cubans he met at Salazar's?)
If, on the other hand, Oswald did assassinate President Kennedy, did some of the Cubans in the neighborhood around Harlandale know about it? Were they in on it?
I'm still waiting for Mr. Meek to explain how the people supposedly framing Oswald for these crimes knew:
- he would show up unexpectedly at the Paine house Nov. 21, otherwise they can't pretend they smuggled the rifle
- nobody would ever find any bullets or fragments that don't match to his rifle
- no unidentified persons would ever be caught inside the building
- Oswald would immediately flee the crime scene
- Oswald would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff
- Oswald owned a revolver, where it was, and he would obtain and retain it
- Oswald would decide at the last minute to put a jacket on, then discard it
- an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene
- the cop won't simply outdraw the imposter, capture him and blow the whole plot
- Oswald will not be able to prove he was elsewhere during the shooting
- Oswald will be seen trying to hide from and dodge police
- Oswald will be caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop
- Oswald will fight like such a maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe, "Well they say it only takes a minute to die," after asking police about the penalty for cop-killing
- Oswald will lie to police, starting with about his whereabouts during the assassination
- Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator
- Oswald will act so smug and placid he will even convince his own brother he is guilty
- Oswald will refuse help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association
- Oswald will make no attempt to blow any conspiracy to anybody
- Oswald will just shrug a hollow, unsurprised, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
- the Dallas PD will be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children
- they can safely count on scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, Oswald family members, whole commissions, etc., to obey illegal orders to commit grave crimes, assist a coup, and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason....
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I was born in 1978. I think it was around the 25th anniversary, in 1988 when I first became aware of the assassination and the questions surrounding it. Sometime between then and when JFK came out in late 1991 I became VERY interested in the assassination! The first thing I recall seeing was the very end of the Kennedy miniseries. The actual parade through Dallas, the shooting, and the aftermath. This woulda been in 1988 I think. A station probably had re-aired it for the anniversary. I found it a little disturbing for some reason. Later on in life I bought it on DVD and it was a little gorier than I thought it would be for a TV movie. Nothing conspiratorial in that though. But between seeing that and the movie JFK coming out I had seen the mock trial of Lee Harvey Oswald, a special called The JFK Conspiracy narrated by James Earl Jones, and The Kennedy Assassinations which also covered the murder of Bobby Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, and the Watergate cover-up. I went and saw JFK in my local theater. My mom had to go up front and tell them it was ok to see this R rated movie cause I wasn't 16 yet, lol!
Movie JFK is packed with more than 80 demonstrable lies. The JFK Conspiracy is crackpot garbage
I applaud you James for taking an interest into one of the most important and tragic moments in our history.
I got hooked in the 80s when the 25th anniversary was being talked about. From then on I’ve read about 20 books on the subject.
I’ve studied it for about 35+ years now. The two that got me really becoming knowledgeable was THE KILLING OF A PRESIDENT by Robert Groden. And No1 was BEST EVIDENCE by David Lifton. A must read please do.
I’m doing a presentation on the 60th anniversary in my town in Nov.
This history cannot be forgotten and for the people a lot younger then you need to know about this.
If you’d like to chat about this. Let me know. R
@@ronmarvicsin7709 David Lifton never got around to explaining three important things:
a) how you steal bodies and switch caskets around within the cramped, crowded confines of Air Force One without being caught, without leaving a trace of blood anywhere, and with the plane surrounded by onlookers at both airfields
b) how you safely approach scores of Secret Service, FBI, Air Force One personnel, military personnel, doctors, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, witnesses, etc. and persuade them all to obey illegal orders to commit crimes (thus confirming a conspiracy exists to every one of them), trust each other implicitly assisting a coup, and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason
c) how it was a better idea to steal bodies, switch caskets, perform surgeries, alter wounds, fake x-rays, conceal evidence, forge photos, falsify reports, commit perjury by the dozens and pile cover-ups atop cover-ups instead of just leaving well enough alone and just saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any conspiracy just fine...
That said, I did enjoy Lifton's classic article "Is Jim Garrison Out of His Mind?"
@@ronmarvicsin7709 Robert Groden's record:
a) screens Zapruder's film at videotaped lectures with a fake soundtrack peppered with phony gunshots all over it and never once tells his audience it's a forgery on his part as he treats every last one of them like a gullible idiot
b) gives his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as he accuses the man, with zero evidence, of being a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories"
c) rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda
d) acknowledges the three tramps were ID'd an cleared, then later refers to the "so-called tramps!"
e) volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial as a photo expert (to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy, natch) and ended up making a complete, discredited fool of himself on the stand
f) stages bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers....
@@aaronz7056 Hi Aaron , well let’s see if I can come close to your question. First off it’s been number of years since I read his book.
I do believe he was working on his second book. Maybe he was going to talk about that more.
A. Switching caskets , stealing bodies? First of. I don’t believe anything was done on the plane. As you said there were to many people around right in the open.
I believe and what gather now, is that David believed it was done between the airport and Bethesda. I remember reading that there were helicopters landing at Bethesda and even the people interviewed who worked with Kennedy’s casket said they heard multiple choppers.
Now you’re familiar with some of the guys saying the casket arrived earlier than reported. How just a few navy men helped bring in a shipping casket? Then later after things had been done like X-rays etc the X-ray guy said he was walking upstairs with Kennedy’s X-rays in his hands when the limo with Jackie, Bobby Kennedy pulled up in front of the hospital with the fancy casket he was put into at Dallas. Don’t quote me but I think they said that the autoosey started at like 7:05?? But Paul O’Connal said it didn’t start until 8pm. And even ge said that when he opened the shipping casket, the president was in a body bag. Dr Humes was involved with the altering the body, if not he sure kept his mouth shut when he learned things after huh? BtW there wouldn’t be a problem with blood. You’re dead your heart doesn’t pump blood, it’s pooled down to the lowest part of the body, Liver Mortis.
B. Good question. Not sure the simplistic answer but did Lifton really need to answer that in his book? Best evidence like he said was the body.
There was a rogue element that pulled this off no doubt but how everyone fell in line? Some of them hated Kennedy so that’s not a surprise. Some had to follow orders such as the navy guys. Court martial was a scary thing which could easily ruin their lives. I remember one of the Dallas doctors saying that the throat wound was an entrance wound several times. Then he said after numerous harassing calls and visits to his house he changed his statement to either an exit or entrance wound. So pressure from THEM /THEY, kept them in line. Also there are organizations that are very secret, very secret that no one would ever know who they are that might pressure these witnesses. I won’t even say the name out loud. Then again if you think about the secrecy you’re talking about, people have been talking ever since it happened. Even more since the Z film was shown in 75 and then in the movie JFK. If LHO was the line assassin, no outside help, why the hiden files? Why was the autopsey so badly botched? Why still won’t they let us see the remaining files?
Just imagine but be careful, of the things that our government has gotten away with without us having any idea?
C. Ok see if I can make this short. Let’s say they omit there was a conspiracy, right? Well then the powers to be would have been very unhappy because when they investigated and found ummm CIA, FBI SS, mofia, J. Edgar Hoover, Johnson not to mention I believe George Bush Sr , wait, that could never happen. Plausible deniability.! Those involved at the upper most part of the pyramid would never be caught because no paper trail would lead back to them. Also, if the American people heard conspiracy, they would right away look at Cuba/Soviets. Remember how nicely Oswald was set up as defecting from the US to go to USSR? Bringing home a Russian wife etc this was part of the patsy excuse Lee said out loud. Everyone in the 60s was afraid and hated every Red Commie. This way it was easy for them to blame a little weird guy who defected from our country. Getting the American people pissed off for killing our president would mean we want revenge. Let’s kick Cubas ass first like the CIA wanted to do in the first place. The Bay of Pigs, Allen Dulles was behind that which got him fired.
So the reason that they couldn’t admit at the time or maybe even now that it was an over throw of our own country is because it would have started WORLD WAR III .
Omg I don’t know if I answered your question but this wasn’t in Ailton’s book I don’t think and like I said it wasn’t what his book was about, most just the medical side and the altering of his wounds was his thing. My answers were from years of studying and ha ga , “thinking.” :)
LHO lift to work that day
" Whats in the package Lee " ?
" Curtain rods "
so where are those curtain rods ?
There never were any curtain rods, as Frazier's mother verified. Fritz leaned on Frazier to invent the story to help frame Oswald. Otherwise Fritz was going to charge Frazier with killing JFK.
City of Allen’s JFK content is top notch!
Fritz was a snake in the grass, and if this guy has discovered anything, it would be that! Also, the department had a " recording room". They also had recordings of the police radio traffic from that day. A department of that size, and they didnt have recorders is a bs lie!
Of course they did have recorders. The radio traffic concerning J.D. Tippit's death is online.
That photo of Cheryl (Walthers) Cleavenger is absolutely priceless.
Nitpicky, but important when discussing topics of great contention - At 42:30 Meek says that ATF was watching someone in Nov 1963 on gun purchases, but the ATF proper did not exist until 1972.
I bet Oswald did not shoot Tippett ?
Of course not. There's zero evidence of that. Just hearsay and speculation generated by the government after the fact.
You lose.
Of course he did.
No, Oswald did not kill Officer Tippit.
They found 2 diff calibre of bullet found inside him ,none matched oswalds gun and oswalds firing pin was bent meaning it couldn't fire
Lee Harvey Oswald was not in Mexico City. Also, the failure to mention the friendship between George DeMorntshieldt and George HW Bush, is strange
Yes. If those surveillance photos are genuine, the man look nothing like him.
He was seen on the bus, seen at the embassies, seen at his hotel, etc.
@@valentinius62 Also the voice on the tapes, allegedly of "Oswald" calling the Soviet Embassy, were sent to Dallas the night of 11/22 and when the FBI agents in Dallas interrogating Oswald listened to them they told JE Hoover that the man on the tape was NOT OSWALD! JEH then told LBJ about this and about the mystery-man/LHO Imposter photos in MC.
How u wanna know?
Mike Pain looked so much like Oswald....recently it's been in a video that , it's believed Mike Pain was impostoring Oswald at different locations as part of Patsy set up.
There is zero evidence for any of that paranoid conspiracy crap.
Actually Ruth and Michael Paine were domestic agents of the CIA. Don’t listen to this clown he’s a troll.
😂😂😂
@@JeffHole-wc1tcthat definitely a kid who wrote that comment
After watching the stabilized Zapruder film frame by frame and zoomed in. I believe the shooter on the grassy knoll hit the governor. The angle was wrong for the headshot from the grassy knoll also. It had to have come from the front of the car. There is no way Oswald hit Kennedy in the back/neck. Kennedy would have to have been leaning bent over forward a long way for the neck shot to work from Oswald. He was sitting straight up. He would have to have been looking at the grassy knoll for the headshot to work, he wasn't. He was looking forward.
2 shots hit within milliseconds of each other. One from the front, the other from the Grassy Knoll.
Shots 4 & 5 of 5.
18:46 The bullets the Carcano used had a round tip as pointed ones wouldn’t come until after the Carcano was invented so The shooter used older cheap bullets
A blanket with the imprint of a rifle!! BOLLOCKS
@berniehayes8425 You have it wrong. It was fibers from the blanket which were found on package within which Oswald wrapped the murder rifle. On a back note, your bollocks contained no imprint.
.45 can be shot from a revolver, semi auto (1911) pistol, or a rifle.
Not from Oswald’s rifle.
Or a Thompson 45 cal machine gun..
Why would you use a round like that in the first place. It's a poor choice
@@carlgreisheimer8701agree but it was what was found along with a piece of skull fragment. It could have been used for effect. A lot of the shots didn’t have a report meaning they were loaded subsonic likely with a silencer. The bullet that entered JFK’s back didn’t go through him. As well as the bullet shot in his throat didn’t penetrate through the back of his neck. So they might have used larger calibers for more effect since speed would be limited.
It’s crazy to me that everyone seems to remember the “pandemic” totally differently than I do. I was never kept in my home. I went to work every day. I went to the store when I needed to. I just had to wear a mask all the time. That was the only change in my life. Apparently the rest of the country , and world for that matter , experienced it a lot differently
I heard that too.
Yes. Many died. More knew someone that was sick, & spread disease. Some never got sick at all. Good genes, huh?
@@karenhayne7812 well I do remember people getting sick. I never did . Didn’t get the shot either . I just meant for me there was never a lockdown. I went to work, hell we worked a lot of overtime too, went to store , got gasoline when needed it . I just had nothing like a lockdown
@@Proudathiest1 Yeah! I was working 6 days a week, 10 hour days!!!
@@gocatgo74123 so why does everyone seem to talk about the epidemic shutdown like they were stuck inside and couldn’t go anywhere? I’ve heard lots of people talk about it these last few months .
Great posting here!!
Thank you Mr meek! For your dedication to truth
The most reasonable scinario ive heard so far was one claiming several shots and the kill shot coming from a storm drain. They went over the zepruter film and found it was altered and splices removed making it appear the car never stopped but eye witness and the jegectory of the shots and the tampering of the film proved otherwise. The evidence is very compelling.
You've obviously never read the Zavada Report.
"Most reasonable..."
Storm drain would be a lousy vantage point.
Film was in custody, processed, copied, distributed and viewed by investigators and media reps far too quickly to have been screwed with.
Kennedy's massive exit wound exploding at the right temple is consistent only with a shot from behind.
Connally's said the shots came from behind.
Autopsy proves the shot came from behind.
Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
All bullets and fragments ever found matched to Oswald's rifle.
Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
Anybody firing a gun in that sewer would be absurdly obvious.
It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter from the TSBD while shooting Kennedy nearly point blank in the face from in front.
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs We look forward to you now producing your ironclad evidence of that.
@@aaronz7056 a Parkland Hospital doctor wrote a book about his experience. He said the one to the throat was an entry wound. Not an exit wound. He was there.
@@rajay777 Dr. Charles Crenshaw's claims:
a) He played a major role in the trauma room.
He backed off this claim later, said his publishers were taking artistic license, and in fact his role was minor (which hardly inspires confidence).
b) He saw the throat wound was an entrance wound.
According to his own words he arrived at the trauma room with Dr. McClelland... who didn't arrive at the trauma room until after the tracheostomy had already obliterated the throat wound's original appearance.
c) He was sure the shots came from the front.
Funnily enough, other, more senior doctors are plainly seen at their first press conference speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, trajectories, etc. Yet the more junior doctor Crenshaw said he was "sure."
d) Back of Kennedy's head blown out.
Crenshaw's own words consistently refer to the "side" of the head.
e) Parkland doctors were afraid to talk about the shooting for fear of reprisals.
Those doctors were talking openly and freely about the assassination from the time it happened, several times to conspiracy authors.
f) An army of cops arrived at the theater to arrest a man for not paying admission.
The man, Oswald, was a good match for the suspect just seen murdering a police officer nearby.
There are others, but it's gettin' late.
I read recently on the " Two Oswalds" where supposedly there were 1Lee Harvey Oswald 2 LeeOswald both of whom looked eerily similar and and one wasn't aware of the other but both were used in the plot, the you tube video i watched was excellent and had me doubting any other theory ?
@@robinboucherwonderfulflight sorry you didn't read my comment properly I Said 1 was called Lee Harvey Oswald and the other was called Lee Oswald neither knew the other and I don't know if there mothers or father's or aunt and uncles and brothers and sisters knew each other or were related and I don't know if they had a cat or dog or a parrot or a pet rat called robinbounce or even if anyone called Robin is intelligent enough to do there own homework like I did .
I think you would be better with a dot to dot book or and etchasketch and leave the serious stuff to the thinkers .
Yes. I remember thinking years ago how different "Oswald" looked in his Marine Corps photos. One looks big and strapping, the other kind of wimpy and goofy looking.
There were at least 3 "Oswalds", like the old guy down in Mexico City who didn't look anything like Lee or Harvey.
Given that this was the height of the Cold War, it's more than likely there multiples posing as individuals on both sides. Spy games.
I think men like the Oswalds and Ruby were committed Patriots. I'd be curious to know how much on board they were with all this, that is, a domesticate ooeration involving the assassination of the President? The patsy Oswald looked rather bewildered at times when he was first arrested, and rather cynical at moments. In other photos after his capture he seems more cheerful, because I think they told him they were going to extricate him from that situation.
Somebody had to do this stuff like murdering Lee Bowers, Dorothy Killgallen, DeMorgenschild and the others...and who knows how many we never even heard of since the days of the OSS during WW 2. "Wet work".
But I don't think it was within the realm of these guys, the Oswalds and Ruby I mean. They come across as being more like actors for intelligence orchestrated dramas.
Also, I'm convinced that Ruby never shot Oswald. He was there, but he didn't know why. Orders. He left his beloved dog in the car ohtside the police station which was really weird. The "shooter" and Ruby weren't the same man. If you look at the booking photos and TV footage of Ruby after his arrest, you can see they wore different socks (light vs. dark). Hell, they even have Oswald's right pant leg pulled up a bit so we can see in a full-length mugshot (and why a full length mug shot? They stopped doing those by at least 1920 I thought) Taunting us. A big joke.
Also, the two men's hairlines on the backs of their necks are obviously not the same. We never clearly see the shooter's face. The police captain made it a point to write down that Oswald was given a choice between a light vs. dark sweater to wear. That he chose the dark one. Seriously?
It was a blank. No blood. Fake. All a big show to get one of their agents out. Ruby knew he had terminal cancer. Provably lived like a king for his remaining years.
That's show biz!😅
"Two Oswald's..." lol
@@valentinius62 "Three Oswald's..." LOL
@@aaronz7056 More like 5 actually...lol
This may have little bits of things/information in it, as most videos do. The problem for me in this video is that there is factual information that Ruth Paine truck picked up LHO out the back of the DSBD building. Other than that, again, there is factual information about the fact it wasn't LGO who shot Tippet... this has been shown to be a set up. Also LHO couldn't have found himself in all the places in time if he had gone via the route explained in this video.
Ruth Paine had a Rambler Station Wagon not a truck.
@@Themagicofvince2023 Her car was in fact a Chevrolet and whole Rambler story is demonstrable crap anyway.
Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend the next 60 years watching armchair detectives opining away and libeling her as a conspirator in murder and treason with zero evidence. It's sickening.
Demonstrable serial liar Roger Craig's laughable claim to have seen Oswald flee the plaza in a Rambler is flatly contradicted by other witnesses and evidence demonstrating Oswald's true escape route, but bus (where he was recognized by his ex-landlady) and by cab (whose driver firmly ID'd him). Oswald still had the bus transfer in his pocket when he was arrested, for goodness' sake.
Craig's claim Oswald told him in Captain Fritz's office the Rambler belonged to Mrs. Paine is flatly contradicted by every other officer present and by Dallas PD and FBI documents proving her car was a Chevrolet.
Swell, now we look forward to you explaining how the people who in "fact" "set up" Oswald knew:
- he would immediately flee the TSBD
- he would successfully escape Dealey Plaza
- he would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff
- he would take evasive action to get there
- he owned a revolver at all
- exactly where the revolver was
- he would obtain the revolver
- he would retain the revolver
- he would decide at the last minute to put a jacket on
- he would discard the jacket in the streets
- an imposter who looks so much like him he's guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene
- there is ANY logic in attacking a cop on a public street since Oswald is already being sought anyway and if anything goes wrong here they just end up confirming a conspiracy exists
- the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot
- no other cop will capture the imposter
- nobody else will ever see the imposter again
- Oswald will not be able to prove he was anywhere else during the shooting
- they can safely count on exactly the right ballistics experts to obey illegal orders to falsify evidence and make themselves all loyal accessories to murder
- Oswald will agree to help frame himself by trying to hide from passing police
- Oswald will get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later
- Oswald will fight police like such a violent maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" to police after asking the penalty for cop-killing
- they can safely count on every cop who arrives at the theater to perjure himself
- the Dallas PD will be firmly on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children
- Oswald will lie to police
- Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator
- Oswald will not make any attempt to sing like a canary about any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to the President of the Dallas Bar Association when he interviews him, or to a live TV audience of millions
- Oswald will act so smug and placid he'll even convince his own brother he's guilty...
"The problem for me in this video is that there is factual information that Ruth Paine truck picked up LHO out the back of the DSBD building."
And your source for this supposedly "factual information" is, what, exactly?
"Other than that, again, there is factual information about the fact it wasn't LGO who shot Tippet."
And what "factual information" would that be? A tiny minority of the witnesses saying the shooter did not look like Oswald even though a much larger number of the witnesses either specifically said it was Oswald, or at the very least gave a physical description that was reasonably similar to Oswald? Is there some reason why a minority of the witnesses should be considered to be more credible than the majority of the witnesses?
Mr. Meeks never stated or was asked if he believes Oswald killed Tippit. A fact that needs to be cleared up.
A .45 acp or a .45 long colt are both short range. Was there an entry wound or at least a second wound? An entry wound can almost disappear if your no looking for it, especially a .221 cal. I've seen .223 holes that you couldn't put the tip of a pencil in. Way to many unanswered questions! I'm looking for his book.
The NAVAL doctors at Bethesda who did an autopsy measured a hole in the back of JFK's head 6 millimeters in diameter. A .45 caliber bullit did not make that hole because it would have been bigger. Plus the diameter of LEE HARVEY OSWALD's bullits are 6.5 millimeters in diameter. A bullit from something shooting a 5.56mm x 45 round could have done it thou.
And who say that bullet find a target? It eas just a loose bullet and the bone fragment are from the other bullets
Oswald never fired a shot
In that case we look forward to you explaining how the people framing him knew:
- he would show up unexpectedly at the Paine house Nov. 21 otherwise they can't pretend he smuggled the rifle
- nobody would ever find any bullets or fragments that don't match to his rifle
- he would immediately flee the crime scene
- an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- Officer Tippit won't simply outdraw and capture his attacker
- Oswald will get seen trying to hide from and dodge police
- Oswald will get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop
- Oswald will fight like such a maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking the penalty for cop-killing
- Oswald will lie to police, starting with about his whereabouts during the assassination
- Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator
- Oswald will act so smug he'll even convince his own brother he is guilty
- Oswald will refuse help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association
- Oswald will make no attempt to blow any conspiracy to anybody
- Oswald will just shrug a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
Not a good presentation at all. Just your opinions and guesses backed up by absolutely no factual evidence. And FYI, Oswald did not shoot Officer Tippit. The bullets in Tippits body did not match Oswalds revolver.
You know full well they were matched. I have yet to see you make the slightest attempt to offer up any credible alternate scenario for what happened, and I still await your explanation of how the people framing Oswald for the Tippit killing knew:
- he would immediately flee the TSBD
- he would successfully escape Dealey Plaza
- he would definitely go specifically to Oak Cliff
- he owned a revolver at all
- where the revolver was
- he would obtain the revolver
- he would retain the revolver
- he would decide at the last minute to put a jacket on
- he would discard the jacket in the streets
- an imposter who looks so much like him he's guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene
- there is ANY logic in attacking a cop on a public street since Oswald is already being sought for Kennedy anyway and if anything goes wrong here they just end up confirming a conspiracy exists
- the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot
- no other cop will capture the imposter
- nobody else will ever see the imposter again
- Oswald will be unable to prove he was elsewhere during the shooting
- Oswald will agree to help frame himself by hiding in storefronts from passing police
- Oswald will get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later
- Oswald will fight like such a violent maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking the penalty for cop-killing
- Oswald will lie to police
- Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator
- Oswald will act so smug and placid in jail he'll even convince his own brother he is guilty
- the Dallas PD can be safely counted on to be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children
- every single police officer can be safely counted on to promptly perjure himself as needed to assist the conspiracy....
@@aaronz7056hey genius, how did JFK'S brain weighed more than an average human brain AFTER he got half his head blown off? Answer that one smart guy
@@colonelreb1014 How about you answer my questions first instead of lobbying this crackpot, paranoid and fictitious factoid and insulting me like that settles the matter.
While you are at it, explain these things:
a) how somebody goes about openly approaching scores of police, doctors, Secret Service, military personnel, x-ray technicians, photographers, witnesses, etc., and persuades them all to obey illegal orders to commit crimes (thus confirming to each one of them a conspiracy exists) and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason
b) how altering wounds, faking photos, forging x-rays, falsifying reports, committing perjury by the dozen and piling cover-ups atop cover-ups is a better idea than just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any "conspiracy" just fine?
Right. Rimless shell casings from an auto pistol found at Tippet murder scene...Oswald owned a revolver that uses rimed ammo. I found this painful to watch...quoting Warren Commission testimony by witnesses is useless...much testimony was altered. The light green Rambler testimony was censored out...and who owned one? Mrs Paine...! Apparently the people making comments know zero about the assassination. These people need to look up interviews of Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig, LBJ's mistress Madeline Brown, Judith Vary Baker Oswald's GF, and dozens of other primary sources. How about the unidentified finger print found in the snipers nest unidentified until 1998? It was finally identified in about 1998 and belonged to LBJ's go to guy who took care of problems for LBJ...Malcom Mac Wallace...E Howard Hunt's death bed confession...it's all out there...the doorway photo...It's Billy Lovelady's head pasted onto Oswald's body with the solid brown shirt worn by Oswald that day......George HW Bush photographed in front of the TSBD 30 minutes after the murder...the people who believe what the government says may not be around many more years, because they most likely took the clot shot...they are dropping like flies...
@@aaronz7056according to this speaker, and only regarding his line of thought, Oswald missed his bus after1:15pm when he then ran into Tippet..
Have a look at Tippet's official time of death.
Oswald never fired a shot from any firearm that day…he was give a paraffin test…NEGATIVE…firing shots from that crappy rifle would left his head, neck, arms and clothes glowing… just stop the lies… and what about his “revolver” leave behind “automatic” shells at the Tipitt scene…. This story is embarrassing…
He tested positive on his hands as per Commission exhibits, he used different types of ammo in his revolver and he was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Tippit and fleeing.
@@aaronz7056 actually not. He tested NEGATIVE…and then the police/FBI gave him “papers to look at” and then his left hand show a positive paraffin result…but his face was negative both times-a result that was I’m possible if he had fired the cheap Italian plant rifle-but you know that. Three witnesses identified two shooters at the scene. A news film from the scene recorded the police not only identifying two different caliber shells, (38/automatic) the recording shows a cop “finding” a wallet at the scene, a “A. Heidell” (Oswald alias) the problem as you know is Oswald was arrested with his wallet . Of course the Warren Commission left all of this out…. But they knew, just as we all now know. Why do dullards like you continue to cite the WCR? It’s not only been discredited, it’s just a sad collection of lies…like when ol’ Jerry Ford decided to move the shot on Kennedy’s back up to his neck (“for the good of the country”)… your post is humiliating and might have fooled people in 1967, but it just self defacing and pathetic now…. Run along little boy…
Paraffin tests were debunked long before the assassination. But used to intimidate witnesses for confessions. And do you suppose homeboy thought it was a half day and slipped out to catch a movie?
@@admiralkrankandhismightyba158 It's all called "bursting blood vessels straining so hard to jump through hoops to let Oswald off the hook at every turn."
@@aaronz7056 Nobody is going to use automatic ammo in a revolver and revolvers don't eject shells.
56:57 That guy frowning hahaha. He's like, really?
Good stuff. Keep it up. It was said by a fellow officer that it was Officer MacDonald who said, "This is it!" Not Oswald. (In the theater)
Rubbish, it was Oswald, the same Oswald who promptly tried to shoot MacDonald, fought like such a violent maniac 3 officers were injured just disarming him, and who observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" to police after asking them about the penalty for cop-killing.
Outstanding guy
If you want to learn more the whole event watch the videos produced on UA-cam America's untold stories. They do an in-depth of every event surrounding the JFK assassination including all the people involved
Those guys on America's Untold Stories are paranoid crackpots who crank out whole videos giving their middle fingers to the families of people like John Connally and J.D. Tippit as they opine away they were conspirators in murder and treason with zero evidence for it and even spend hours slandering Ruth Paine in a similar fashion like they're just begging to get sued. Oh, and they have recently taken to hawking books written by Alex Jones with no qualms whatsoever...
Why did he leave the book depository? Did he let his boss know he was leaving? Why did he feel he needed a firearm? Where was he going, surely the safest place for him would have been in his lodging house, not walking around the neighbourhood packing heat just after the assassination!
You are under the mistaken impression that no one other than Lee Harvey Oswald left the Texas School Book Depository at the time of President Kennedy’s assassination. The following persons who also worked at TSBD left the building without notifying building supervisor Roy Truly:
Danny Arce, 18, left at 1:00 pm, accompanied by the police, to go to City Hall.
Carolyn Arnold, 20, left at 12:25 pm and did not return.
Virgie Rachley, 18, left at 11:45 am and returned at 12:40 pm but was denied entry.
Jack Carson, 56, president of TSBD, left at 12:10 pm and did not return.
Betty Drago, 27, left at 12:20 pm but found the door locked when she returned. She stayed outside TSBD until 2:30 pm before going home.
Buell Wesley Frazier, 19, famously gave Oswald a lift to work that day. He left TSBD between 1pm and 2 pm, about the same time Truly claims he made his roll call.
Charles Givens, 38, returned to TSBD after the shooting but was refused entry by a Dallas policeman. An APB was put out for him, and he was later interviewed at City Hall by Captain Will Fritz.
Truly was aware of Given’s absence, having seen him prior to the assassination. Truly also saw Oswald prior to his encounter with him in the second-floor lunchroom.
Using that logic, Oswald should have been exonerated as well.
Gloria Holt, 18, left at 12:10 pm and did not return.
Stella Jacob, 20, left at noon and did not return.
Judy Johnson, 20, was standing outside TSBD when the shooting began.
She remained in the area until 2:00 pm then went home.
Dolores Kounas, 32, left at 12:15 pm and stayed outside until 3:00 pm.
Sharon Nelson, 19, left at 12:20 pm and never returned. She lived at 409 East 9th Street, near the site where Officer J.D. Tippit was gunned down.
Roberta Parker, 55, left at a time unknown, and said she wasn’t allowed back in until 3:30 pm.
Bonnie Richey, 20, left the building at 12:20 pm and never returned.
Lloyd Viles, 41, left at 12:15 pm and returned at 2:55 pm.
Vida Whatley, 45, left at 12:15 pm to go shopping. She tried to re-enter TSBD at 1:00 pm but was denied entry by the police. She went home.
Bonnie Ray Williams, 20, accompanied Arce to the police station at 1:00 pm.
Why did he get a gun? He knew he was being set up as the patsy and people would be out to kill him
I'd guess he left because a) he was a conspirator (though not a shooter) and b) with cop quickly in building, heat was on and c) he may have realized he'd been set up to take the fall as the assassination though he was not a shooter and d) he may have desired to meet with his handler, or perhaps hide-out, perhaps at the Harlandale home where he'd attended meeting (with Cuban conspirators?) prior.
He was not safe at his rooming house. He ran rather than hang around TSBD because he had some involvement to hide. If his expectation was similar to that after the fake General Walker shooting he would not have collected his revolver and handed himself to J D Tippett as arranged. He knew he was to be a "patsy" but it is unclear when he realised that JFK had been killed rather than missed.
@@zapdunga12 That's a brilliant argument, now you can explain how many of those other employees:
- owned and smuggled the rifle
- where inside the building during the shooting
- took evasive action to get to their other guns
- were ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as the man seen murdering a cop and fleeing
- were caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop
- lied their asses off to police
- refused to cooperate with any investigators
- acted so smug and placid in jail they even convinced their own brothers they were guilty
- refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association when he offered it to them
- just shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
@@zapdunga12 So let me get this straight: Oswald's reaction to realizing he was a "patsy" was to shoot a cop, try to shoot a second cop, observe "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking police the penalty for cop-killing, lie his ass off to police, refuse to cooperate with any investigator, act so smug and placid he will even convince his own brother he is guilty, and when interviewed on live TV hours later make no attempt to blurt out anything about any conspiracy and instead just shrug a hollow, rambling reply when asked, 'Did you shoot the President?"
If he was in a hurry changing his shirt it seems to me even more likely the ticket would be creased. Not necessarily folded, but crumpled a bit. They were only made out of relatively cheap newsprint paper in my experience.
About the potentially "folded or creased ticket"...I was watching a video just the other night, about the JFK evidence at the national archives and how they handled it, and how they brought it out for researchers to view. They showed themselves laying out some physical evidence actually requested by a researcher who was coming in. A bunch of it was the contents of his wallet and one of the items was THE BUS TICKET! And low and behold it looked like a brand new bus ticket - no dirt, no creases, no folds! I thought of this video immediately. The ticket in the archives, said to be the actual ticket taken from Oswald's pocket by the DPD, is PRISTINE!
The woman on the 4th floor was Victoria vicky Adams, who was the great aunt of Victoria Adams of the spice girls. Chief CIA Inspector Gerald Clark Haliiwell was also a relative of Gerry Haliiwell (ginger). I find this very scary. Also, the information that Melanie, baby' sportur, was deemed inadmissible when smoke was seen rising from the grassy knoll, as seen by paul Posh from the Train junction box, was later dismissed as Posh had been found with intoxicating substances that allegedly he had been drinking, as it was present on his mouth and face, the substance being Old spice after shave' though nothing was proved.
According to deputy Roger Craig, who was standing on the south side of Elm Street just minutes after the shooting saw a man running down the grass of the scene of the shooting and get into a green rambler station wagon driven by a dark complected man and proceed west on Elm St.
Shortly afterwards in Capt Fritz’s office, Deputy Craig identified the man sitting in capt. Fritz’s office as the same man he saw getting into the station wagon. This was LHO. This conflicts with Oswald getting into a bus in your presentation. There is good evidence that supports LHO had a double on that day in Dallas. This would support both your claim Oswald took a bus and Dep. Craig’s eye witness account of him getting into the station wagon.
Here are Roger Craig's claims:
a) He saw Oswald flee the plaza in a Rambler.
Flatly contradicted by other witnesses and evidence demonstrating Oswald's true escape route, by bus, where he was recognized by his ex-landlady, and by cab, whose driver ID'd him. Oswald still had the bus transfer on him when arrested.
b) Oswald told him in Captain Fritz's office the Rambler belonged to Ruth Paine.
Flatly contradicted by every other officer present, and by FBI and Dallas PD documents proving Mrs. Paine's car was a Chevrolet.
c) He was with Deputy Mooney when they discovered the sniper nest.
Flatly contradicted by Craig's own WC testimony.
d) He saw 3 shells lined up in a neat row in the sniper nest.
Flatly contradicted by officers who actually discovered the nest and scattered shells.
e) He saw the recovered rifle was a Mauser.
Flatly contradicted by other officers (a couple of cops freely owned up to misidentifying the rifle at first), by news film, and by Craig himself, in his 1968 interview where he assures the L.A. Free Press he couldn't ID the rifle because he "didn't know foreign rifles."
f) He saw it was only six past one when he heard Officer Tippit had been shot.
Flatly contradicted by other witnesses, evidence, and by his own 1968 interview.
g) He saw a slug recovered from the plaza grass.
Flatly contradicted by every other officer and witness present, and by his own WC testimony.
h) There were attempts on his life to silence him.
No supporting evidence exists, nor is there any explanation of why it would be necessary to "silence" this lying clown when his credibility would have been shredded on the stand by any competent lawyer.
@@XPXSTM No evidence he was "driven" to the bus stop, enough with this crackpot paranoia already. The idea Oswald had some chauffeur-driven ride parked in front of the crime scene waiting to drive him through gridlock and an active parade route to a bus stop nearby is laughable.
Your "screwed patsy" was seen shooting a cop, was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop, fought police so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him, lied, refused to cooperate, even convinced his own brother he was guilty, and made no attempt to blow any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to the President of the Dallas Bar Association, or to a live TV audience of millions.
Oswald had no residue of gunpowder on his hands and cheeks; therefore he did not shoot a gun or riffle that day. Therefore Oswald did not shoot Officier Tippet!
Strange since I'm sitting here looking at the diagrams made showing where the gunpowder residue was found on his hands.
He tested positive on his hands as per Commission exhibits, never mind that he was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses shooting Tippit and fleeing.
@aaronz7056
Only the waitress Markham said she saw Tippet being shot. Even the WC saw her as an unreliable witness. She at first did not describe Oswald and later could no ID him in photos.
Who are the dozen
of witnesses you claim actually SAW Oswald shooting Tippit ? There are none that say so to my knowledge, but what is your source for this claim ?
@@meisievannancy I don't know, how about the actual testimonies, the actual reports, the actual investigation?
For the love of God.... Markham, B. Davis, V. Davis, Callaway, Russell, Scoggins, Guinyard, Reynolds, Patterson, Lewis all ID'd Oswald as the man they shot Tippit and flee. The same Oswald to whose gun, which he owned and was in possession of, was matched with the recovered shells. The same Oswald soon seen trying to hide from and dodge passing police. The same Oswald caught red-handed minutes later trying to shoot a cop and fighting like such a maniac 3 officers were injured just disarming him. The same Oswald who observed to police, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking officers about the penalty for cop-killing. The same Oswald who refused to cooperate with any investigator. The same Oswald who acted so smug and placid in custody he even convinced his own brother he was guilty. Where the heck are you even going with these questions? Who the heck do you THINK shot Tippit, for Pete's sake?
Bonnie Ray Williams was having his lunch at 12.25 at the 6th floor window were Oswald was suppose to be
Definitely. Interestingly enough, the key to this is in the Dr. Pepper can.
@@clayedwards5183 No the key is in the actual evidence, all of which still points at Oswald after 60 years.
This would be the same Oswald who immediately fled the building, lied to police, owned and smuggled the gun, left his latent print on it, refused to cooperate with investigators, and acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty.
@@aaronz7056 this his brother Robert who lied about his age to be in the army and the brother Robert who disagreed with the WC about lee's school records
@@glenperry2073 What the hell has that got to do with ANYTHING? God, it's hilarious watching you conspiracy theorists burst blood vessels straining so hard to let Oswald off the hook at every turn. lol
The unidentified man with Walthers is not Bob Barrett. The photos that the FBI trainees were shown that show the spent bullet and bone are probably the Murray and Allen photos showing what may look like those objects.
That may be, but not according to Melson. I remember he said...."to a man" they thought the photo showed a .45 caliber a slug.
@@JeffMeek-uz2nh Walthers firmly testified nothing was found.
This whole thing starts with an error. Walthers wasn't the sheriff, Bill Decker was. Walthers was a deputy.
That is correct and I stated that Walthers was a Deputy Sheriff in the first sentence of my presentation.
Good presentation by the author and some good questions by the host. I don’t agrree with everything he says (it’s his opinion Oswald took the bus and that Fritz testified truthfully anout it; my opinion differs). But an honest author admits when he doesn’t know something and this author does that on a few occasions, which lends credibility in my eyes. I think he’s done some good work.
Why won't the GOV'MNT release the investigation materials like they were supposed to when trump was president? Huh?
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How could Ruth Paine not remember making those comments..and she new about the found bullet
Ruth Paines husband is a cousin of John Kerry and worked for the CIA
Most likely she was an intelligence asset like Oswald, or at least on the payroll. If not, then she was merely warned not to say certain things.
@@valentinius62 No evidence for this rubbish.
@@aaronz7056 Hitting the sauce again, get fired, or run out of meds? Can't believe anyone above the age of 9 will go around leaving nasty messages on multiple comments in UA-cam. Get a life.
If you look closely, you'll find no reason to be sure the women went down the stairs instantly after the shots. That's a typically murky claim. Oswald on the other hand, had reason to instantly hit the stairs.
Btw, there was NO stairway that went continuously from the 1st to the 7th floor. There were / are two sets of enclosed stairs; SE stairs and NW stairs, and each set of stairs only went from one floor to the next, then you'd have to walk to the other set of stair to get to the next floor, then cross to the other stairs to get to the next floor, etc.
I'm still just patiently waiting for one single conspiracy crackpot to explain how the "real assassins" escaped the building. lol
@@aaronz7056 I have a "well-versed researcher" who informs me and everyone that there was a 2nd guy shooting a rifle out the window, but somehow, magically no one saw or heard this. He doesn't concern himself with minor details like that, I guess.
@@peterfraser9070 It's not that Palamara clown, is it? LOL
@@aaronz7056The governments last position was that JFK died by conspiracy, so I guess the government are crockpots right you fucking moron?
@@aaronz7056 I think it's the grandson of Silent Screen Star Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle, lol.
It means Ruby was his friend. So, what does that mean. I'm sick of this bullsh**
That's our US government for ya. A long history of lies and deception.
I guess I'm all alone on this one as all I'm really getting is bits and pieces that by themselves are somewhat interesting but the speaker, Mr. Meeks really fails to create any kind of narrative to tie together all these bits and pieces. For me it was really a waste of time and there were very few people in the audience and they didn't seem to be particularly excited by anything Mr. Meeks said, and neither did I.
Sorry I was unclear. I was trying to make 2 points: 1 - Walthers DID find a bullet and 2 - LHO was headed to the house on Harlandale after leaving the TSBD.
As for the crowd...I have been to the talks there at the library about 5 times, twice as speaker. Attendance varied from about 35 to 55 each time. You're right, the crowd was light. I think my friend counted 36 if I remember right. As I said at the very beginning...thanks for coming despite the weather. That night here were severe thunderstorm warnings and later that night DVD disc size hail fell in the Sanger, TX area. They showed pictures of it on the news the next morning. That night I drove home through a driving rain, strong wind and a real light show. I was praying I'd get home before running into that hail....and I did.
@@JeffMeek-uz2nh Walthers found no bullet and there is no credible evidence for any of the shots originating from anywhere other than Oswald's rifle in the sixth floor window.
No evidence Oswald was heading anywhere other than to his rooming house after he left the TSBD.