TURNSTILE DEEP DIVE + Glow On ALBUM REVIEW
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2024
- You asked for an album review of Turnstile "Glow On," and here it is! I also get into their discography, Turnstile-related bands like Trapped Under Ice and Angel Du$t, similar post-hardcore bands of the 90s and Anthony Fantano's review of "Glow On."
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Fin a few months ago you did an episode o. something and mentioned a new genre called ultra pop? I think that was the term. It had a video of a girl doing some kind of deep fake or green screen suit video in a bikini and other outfits and you said she had alot of views. Can you please tell me the artist that you featured? I'm sorry I can't remember the exact episode and I've been re watching your vids but I can't find it. Thanks mate. Btw I love your reviews and infotainment blend it's awesome.
@@netx421 He did the video WTF is Hyper pop with Charli XCX maybe that was it? 🤷
Great thoughtful approach here. Can we get your take on Melvins?
Cool band thanks for the video
Also Title Fight was a band that did hardcore and they become a practically shoegaze band.
Glow on is a masterpiece . Idc about the style to call it or the genre : it’s just good .
FACTS
I concur. Solid af album
Boo-hoo! Normies like my band now, but now I pretend to not like them but I'll keep buying their shit on Vinyl. Fugazi for hipsters blah, blah blah etc. Who gives a fuck, they're a good band that makes consistently good records.
Well said!
Grunge of the future.
This album basically broke r/hardcore.
It’s funny seeing beat-down bros lose their minds over pastel colors and alternative influences.
sunn-O)))bather
Big Black Sabbath
Not to long b4 they lose their mind on DRAIN touring playing with city morgue xD
@@pizzasandwich8229 they'll lose their minds again when they find that Turnstile is touring with $uicideboy$, Chief Keef, etc lol
It’s been happening since the 90’s, not something new and we’re tired of pretending it is
As a 42 old guy I have always liked turnstile because it brought me back to nineties hardcore. Kids should definitely check out these nineties bands because they are still worth listening to.
As An 18 Y/O Who Got Into Hardcore Last Summer Via Life Of Agony (Mainly Due To Mina Caputo, Who Helped Me Discover My Gender Identity & Embrace Who I Was Inside), Couldn’t Agree More On That! River Runs Red, Urban Discipline, Time 2 Shine, Scratch The Surface, Train Yard Blues, All Are Absolute Classics!
I had not heard Crown of Thornz and holy shit
damn, im 44yrs old, its kewl to see younger guys/girls stil rockin out crown of thornz (check out SKARHEAD, easy to find, same singer of COT) & other bands u mentioned, too many ppl dont explore roots of what todays heavy/hc/punk music evolved from, LOA RIVER RUNS RED IS CLASSIC (LIKE UGLY ALOT TOO & OTHER STUFF IS OK)
They sound like s Fughazi rip off to me.
36 years old here, just discovered Turnstile’s music THIS afternoon haha. I knew of them but had never checked them out, I really dig them.
The singer Brendan has a solo project called Free The Birds that’s like, bedroom pop/disco and it’s a really fun listen. The dude is just wickedly talented and has an incredible voice.
Thank you for this 🙏🏽 I’ve loved turnstile for so long but never heard this. 🔥🔥
He’s in Angel Du$t too. Such a talented and creative human being.
He also plays drums in Trapped Under Ice 🤘😎 dude is extremely talented
He's also their art/music video director. The dude is insanely talented.
wait so is he talented or?
I'm an old man (52) and I love Turnstile BECAUSE they bring back so many sounds I loved in early 90's hardcore.
Finnthony McKenntano here, best hat in the game. Back with another album review
Honestly though I’d love if there was a “Punk Rock MBA album reviews” channel
I see Glow On as being a newer generations Refused-the shape of punk to come.
That makes sense, at least at first thought, I agree
That's a great comparison. Still, shape is soo good and I'll have to give Glow on more listens.
My first thought was that you cant make Glow On without loving the shit out of Refused
Really? Seriously? Hmm I'll have to listen to it. That's a HUGE bar to reach.
@@dalekay9ine yeah but just not as good
Good? This album is great and has now been nominated for three Grammys! Saw them live and it was insane. 21:04 this didn't age well LOL. They are now getting regular play on KROQ in LA and have been on The late nights TV shows like Kimmel etc. Now @ 1.2 million monthly listeners on Spotify. They are the real deal
Especially when they're showing up Blink on their own world tour 😂
@@robdiesel1579 I thank Tom delonge for introducing them to me
Love this album. They just hit number 30 on the Billboard charts, which is a huge jump for them. None of their albums before that hit the Top 200.
To me they’re basically doing the Hardcore equivalent of what Parkway Drive did with Ire: making music that’s really catchy and groovy but still maintains the heavier influence of their older material. I’m all for it
@@IOxyrinchus Wasn't big on Ire but I'm a big metalcore guy so it wasn't my thing. Glow On was a huge surprise for what hardcore needs.
@@IOxyrinchus i just want the OG parkway back tho! 🙁🙁😊
Lets get this clear no hardcore band should be on the charts.disrespect to the whole scene.
@@olliewhitham6084 I feel like they’ll please the old fans too on the new album. I mean, look at what Memphis May Fire, The Devil Wears Prada and Bullet For My Valentine are all doing. Going back to being heavy.
Honestly, Turnstile has the whole package - they write good songs, visuals and they are fucking great live. The amount of energy they bring while still playing so tight is tough, it is evident they work super hard. With that being said, I kind of like Time & Space more than Glow On. It felt more raw to me, this new is way too 'dreamy'.
I agree with every word of this.
Agreed. Glow On is amazing but Time and Space is god-tier.
i think they kinda sound the same after you heard 3-4 songs
Glow On to me sounds like sounds like something that should been on Time and Space, but they didn't want to over crowd the album. Great album though, Holiday and TLC are bangers but Time and Space was what did it for me.
100% agree
As a punk fan born in the 90's I think Turnstile is in the special place of becoming a band's band. I think they're going to inspire a lot of young bands (mine included) to start experimenting with what punk/hardcore really can be in the 2020's. The scene feels like it's been a little stuck in the 90's and people don't really accept any band that is forward thinking like Turnstile. But with Glow On I think that the floodgates might start opening up for newer bands to start using similar production to hip hop instead of pretending like it's shitty and not the future of music.
Why shouldn't my band make an indie song with a hardcore breakdown? Why shouldn't we use synths and autotune to give our recordings a more modern sound? The sky's the limit with modern production and genre is dying . Why does my band need to have the same aesthetic that punk has had for 40 years? Let's add some goddamn color to the scene already, let the metalheads keep wearing all black and dressing like it's the 80's, we can be more forward thinking than that. Why shouldn't we collaborate with rap artists and producers to make something that sounds like it was made in 2021 instead of 2001?
Even if Turnstile aren't the first band to challenge these things, they are the ones doing it right now and they're doing it fantastically. Their aesthetic is fresh as fuck, their sound is fresh as fuck, and when they get on stage they're as badass as any other hardcore band. The scene will survive but also has to advance into something that exists in the present, and with bands like Destroy Boys, Together Pangea, Fidlar, Turnstile, and a heap of other new punk bands experimenting with new styles I think it's happening. My local scene sounds nothing like the old punk scene from the 90s and that's fucking fantastic. Musical inspiration is great but musical inbreeding is unsustainable. New punks, new sounds, new ways for our music to challenge the status quo.
Wholeheartedly agree, especially everything in your second paragraph.
Did we just become best friends?
huge facts
I think that this album of turnstile remind me not just about what hc is, instead about how a band grow. I mean do you remember the old AFI and then change so much that they just don't sound like AFI anymore, but we all wish that they could have a transition for what they are now...that's why we love this album, because we can feel the T.L.C.
Turnstile is today's Refused (shape of punk to come)
100% wasn't looking for this record. I wasn't asking for it. I didn't pay any attention to Turnstile other than they were on shows and toured with bands I liked. That being said, i was introduced to Glow On and this is the record of the year IMO. I absolutely love everything about it. I can't even properly deconstruct why. Sometimes an artist just strikes gold. The timing, the sound, the aesthetic all fucking hits. Im in love with this record and they completely sold me. I'm not afraid to admit it.
Have you seen this? Magic. The album had been out a month and the audience already know it word for word. ua-cam.com/video/0B7FUziUECY/v-deo.html
Man. I feel the SAME way. You put it perfectly. It’s so cool to see that other people feel the same way too. I’ve been starving, thirsting for a band like this and didn’t even realize it.
Well put
Holiday is so catchy...even when it isn't playing I hear it in my head.
I keep humming that damned riff
@@nate-otero I'll never get it out of my head. I ain't mad.
that chorus in dance off is so fuckin catchy too. album is just sick haha
DUN DUHNUH DUHNUHNUH DUHNUH DUH NUH
NOW IT'S A HOLIDAY
Turnstile made me fall back in love with hardcore, so happy they are finally being covered
Can you please do a video on Title Fight? Listening to Glow On reminded me of Title Fight's level of experimentation and influence with Turnstile really taking it up another level, and I feel like they were a major player in a lot of the hardcore/pop punk bands transitioning to that more indie/shoegaze style that we've seen these past few years like Citizen and Turnover.
Totally agree!
This was actually pretty important. It was cool to hear pop-punk bands digging shoegaze, but it was also cool for some of the older shoegaze bands, like Slowdive and Swervedriver, who've enjoyed a pretty good second go-round from finding a new audience.
i was literally just about to say this
I’d even make the argument that Title Fight’s early stuff inspired (directly or indirectly) pop punk bands liking and being affiliated with liking hardcore, wearing hardcore band shirts, even having breakdowns
There are definitely a few spots on the album that totally hit like a title fight track
It feels like what Turnstile is doing with early 90s alternative and hardcore music / style is what bands like Nirvana did with punk from the 70's. They picked up on what made the music good and did it better with songs that people were finally ready to accept.
🙄see where I'm going with this reply
👉🙄👈lol
All imma say is yeah maybe mainstream wise/ but Nirvana was not like some kind of 90's version of 70's punk no matter how hard mid life stoners be pushing in the comment sections everywhere I go with "sounds like Nirvana " 🤪 (or some kind of correlation to said band) or in this case legitimizing their sacred status as a "relevant " influence in more current underground circles I guess. They old corporate trash- Btw can u smell my dislike for Nirvana? Lol , I'd say Melvins would be a better example if even that. Grunge was not underground and Melvins was def underground and not grunge...
lol I usually don't leave these kind of comments- your thoughts
@@wantstoruletheworld5678 NIrvana didn't go corpo, corpo went Nirvana. They did not change their sound, look or ideas for the public. Everyone molded around Nirvanas image. I get that Melvins where there but they didnt perfect the sound, they have even admitted this.
@@zachary6737 ok. Most people listen to the sound when it has been "perfected " hence the scene kids typically not relating to "the sound " I'm older now and like whatever sounds good whether it popular or not and whether other people like it or not. Hey if you like Nirvana you like them 😄 But as far as their roots go they were industry planted.
Edit: also I gave your comment a like so you're notified I responded for sake of convo. Feel free to return the favor bro so I don't gots to go to my history and scroll down through the comments (for convo sake)😄
1000 percent agree with this, not just sonically speaking, but culturally as well. And I'm hoping that it gets to a point where they have the same impact on the modern landscape of music as Nirvana did back in the 90's. Nirvana was a total culture shock back then, and that's exactly what we're seeing with Turnstile right now.
@@guyonagravitronmachinestan7595
😄 lmao man NIRVANA SUCKS AND ALWAYS HAS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE lol
I keep telling everyone who will listen about this album and band lol. They're so great.
When you said "Handsome" I legit thought you said "Hanson" and was immediately like "They never did a Hardcore album."
TUI, Turnstile, and Angel Du$t all have perfect discographies.
Because they’re all basically the same members lol love each and every band 🔥
Love them all!
Baltimore is on some shit
Check out Slope
The video they do for the Love Connection EP really shows the talent these guys have in the Aesthetic department. It’s like an A24 short
I’ve watched that an unhealthy amount of times.
I never liked them too much and that was a difference maker to me. I always thought it looked like Midsomar the music video
There is so much Bad Brains I Against I influence on this album that folks seem to be missing…
exactly. the snare, the groove during the first 15 seconds of "Don't Play", the whammy guitar part during "Fly Again." has Dr Know's right hand and Earl's snare tone all over the place
my thoughts exactly!!
she’s calling you ---> new heart design
There lots of that… and early Jane’s Addiction… and Warzone… and others. That said I don’t want to diss these kids because they kill it. It’s been a long time since rock music really rocked, and I’m behind it.
@@treycherie6236 Secret 77 too.
If the Bad Brains released and album in 2021 I think it would sound very much like Glow On. I love all the subtle Dub elements that are creeping in.
I’m such a 90s post hardcore, alt rock fiend, there’s a strange satisfaction in hearing bands like handsome and orange 9mm get a mention. Turnstile are awesome, they tick all the boxes, great songs, great image, great live show, love em!
@@diydylana3151 haha, just gotta like what you like man!
@@diydylana3151 fair enough brother! Do you think it matters?
@@diydylana3151 I think thats a good thing!
THIS. Helmet, Quicksand, Fireside, Into Another, Man Will Surrender… I love that stuff, and Turnstile reminds me of that sweet, sweet era.
@@pekkapietikainen7348 yeah! Some satisfying nostalgia!
Turnstile are magical because they touch the soul. This has become very rare in the Idiocracy based reality we now face.
I live in the DMV and never really got into TUI and turnstile despite them being a big deal in the area, but somehow I've never found angel dust before this and it's right up my alley. You have blessed me with a new band to dig into and for that you are truly a hero.
I think another band that makes a different album every time is Ceremony. You can see their gradual progression towards their 80s synth pop/rock record they have out now. It’s why I love Turnstile and Ceremony, they never put out the same record twice.
I agree with you 100%!
Selective Wreckage & I Was Trying to Describe You is perfection
@@alfianbanjaransari4096 That’s Crime In Stereo my dude… love both bands tho since I’m a hardcore kid in my 30s now haha
@@Joyceages my goodness, I'm an old guy too! Guess it's catching up on me! Hahaha
this album made me so happy. i love how they can still share a bill with bands like sunami or knocked loose. having this kind of sonic diversity (at least diverse by hardcore standards) is definitely part of what makes the scene so great rn
I'm so so happy you're doing a video about this. Your take on this album is exactly what I wanted to hear.
I like Turnstile. I honestly hear a big Bad Brains influence and even 311. I think 311 took them out on tour. That Handsome album is incredible.
I'm glad you brought up Shelter. they were the first band i thought of when I listened to Turnstile and the main reason I became a fan~
I always wanted to be a film maker but I let go of those ambitions and fell into booking diy shows in great communities about a decade ago. I love the way you breakdown where music comes from. You got historical cliff notes and anecdotes from your own experiences. This is how I breakdown and talk about old films in my head and to my friends who listen. Your knowledge helps me further understand helping current diy scenes and audiences who grew up listening to music I did not. Appreciate it!
Up to almost a million monthly on Spotify now, and they were just on Kimmel. Pretty close to mainstream. I'd say another solid album away with equal indie influence.
Now over 1 million monthly Spotify listeners then next hardcore-ish band behind them is Knocked Losse at 700k
1.7 million
@@tysonwastaken I can't believe it honestly lol. Literally saw these dudes at a VFW hall not even 3 years ago
Man, thanks for the trip down hardcore/post-hardcore memory lane! I had that Black Train Jack CD, plenty of Shelter, and I grew up in Buffalo, NY so Snapcase was ALWAYS around.
Great video, Finn!
I love a video that gets me to constantly pause and jot down the name drops.
Really enjoying the Crown of Thornz stuff I’m finding.
I haven't stopped listening to this record since it came out. I'm happy you're doing a video on it.
That Snapcase - Caboose snare is right up there with the Deftones - White Pony snare in terms of best drum sounds of all time
Snapcase is criminally under-rated
the snare on the first two Helmet albums is up there as well
Both of those bands got that snare sound from John Stainer of Helmet
As someone who spent the 90s going to hardcore shows and skating, I love Turnstile, it's def a throwback and I'm really liking the less-hardcore tracks on the new album, it's familiar but refreshing. As much as I can listen to multiple snapcase albums in a row, I appreciate the changeup from track to track. And as for their merch looking skate company\hypebeast-ish, the merch for the new album was done by Carpet, which IS a skate\streetwear company. Turnstile knows what they're doing.
It's kinda funny seeing them hyped up now, I seem to recall them getting a lot of hate a few years ago for not being "true hardcore"
Nice vid. Overview of that 90s alt-rock/post-hardcore sweet spot brought back a lot of memories and exposed me to new stuff too!
I really enjoy how you always find something to appreciate in music even when it's not necessarily your bag. Thorough video, and far from the typical review. This was a good one man.
Thank you!
Feeling Helmet and Quicksand vibes with all of these bands. Especially early Helmet.
Will Haven guitar vibes.
For sure. I remember getting Driver Not Included and thinking it was just a rehash of Strap It On. Not identical, but also, not as good.
two of my favorite bands!!!
The first song sounds like new AFI mixed with Helmet which is laughable. Most overrated hype ever
Turnstile is on their way to becoming band that people who don’t like hardcore like anyways, and I’m here for it.
Its true. Im mostly a metal guy. If more hardcore bands matched the style and energy as Turnstile, I would be listening to a lot more hardcore.
really great break down as always, Finn! Nonstop Feeling was my introduction to them when I was a senior in high school living in rural Wisconsin. That album and their previous works have gotten me through so many tough times with their great songwriting. So bouncy raw and positive in the best ways yet still have that somber ethereal aspect at times, great music for driving and thinking.
You nail a very important thing here: their understanding in style and aesthetics. It permeates everything, from their sound production to their marketing and live performance.
And makes everything better
I bought this album on iTunes, which I’m not doing very often these days. I watched the Fantano review, heard it on Spotify, and liked it a lot (I had not heard the band before). The songs are good but the album also flows really well, it’s one of the small set of albums I enjoy front to back. I am not really into following particular genres, I just know what I like.
I agree probably the first album in years where I don’t skip a single song
They went on tour with turnover before the pandemic and I imagine playing and touring with them is where the dream pop influence they incorporated on their new album came from.
That tour was crazy because the energy levels of the band were so different. Turnstile came on stage and the venue opened up into a giant pit surrounded by artsy alt kids. Set ended and it went right back to a chill alt show
Turnstile and Turnover? 😆😆 that's too funny and also perfect.
(Plus, a friend of a friend knows the main guys from turnover, so it's cool they made it big)
I figured it was that or them playing Coachella a few years ago. Either way its my AOTY
That makes a lot of sense. A few tracks really reminded me of Turnover especially their last 2 albums.
I've been to two Turnstile shows - Nu-School meets Old-School. Songs are catchy as hell, vibe is hella-cool, crowds get totally-aggro when they play. Everything is good with this band - they need more fans.
a long Turnstile review, but I watched the whole thing; so Thank you for doing it, Finn. I love post-hardcore and had never heard of any of these bands. So I guess I had a lot to learn lol
Great points for sure Finn. You killed it. Another couple things to add are their label being a staple and heavy hitter in metal/alternative. Lastly, I think their balance between the contrast you brought up are exactly why they flourish. What other band is pleasing both the heavy hardcore crowd and the alternative/indie crowd? Nobody. They are capitalizing on an untapped market with great aesthetics, good sound, management, and label support. It’s so hard for all of those things to come together with the talent they have. Such an awesome deep dive!
Time + Space not generator and that song “moon” is the one song on that record that sounds like that. They have “that different sounding song” on every record starting with Blue by You on Nonstop Feeling
You finally started doing album reviews thank god 🙏🙏🙏 and it's dope to hear you mention new bands like sunami that are buzzing in hardcore rn
For me, being a '90s-born rock fan kinda sucks because I love the music to pieces but missed out on when it was big, so Turnstile's ability to recreate that eclectic '90s atmosphere in everything they do is a godsend. Them and Code Orange. Shoutout to Roadrunner Records for understanding the vision.
Turnstiles second album is time + space, not generator, generator is just a track off of it.
I love that Finn does to the internet what I have always done to my friends "listen to these 15 10seconds clips and how much it sounds like x band!" I feel validated.
Don’t want copyright claims or a 1 hour video
THIS^
Thanks Finn, checking this out from Sydney Aus. Found this deep dive really interesting and now I am going to go check out those other influences you mentioned and buy a ticket to Turnstile's live show.
The album reminded me a lot of those early 90s alternative bands that you had mentioned in a previous video. Which I love!
I just realized I am the old dude who only really likes new music when it sounds like his old music. Ha!
I just call them Hardcore Jane’s Addiction 🤷🏻♂️
Love Turnstile! And thanks for introducing me to all the bands that you did in this video!
You should’ve mentioned the Blood Orange features on this album. I know it’s not an essential part that’s helped boost their existence but it definitely is super cool to see it be a thing.
100%
Great review. Good job with pointing out other bands in the same vein. Some I hadn't heard of. Big Orange 9mm fan back in the day.
I love watching these even more after having taken part in the stream. Ya'll that aren't innit are missing out! This stream was especially amazing and looking forward to the next one I can catch.
My joke about Turnstile is "I didn't know it was possible to sound like straight edge and like drugs at the same time".
It's cool to learn about capital "H" Hardcore bands that were getting weird and funky back in the 90s too. I had never heard of Handsome before and that track absolutely rips.
Turnstile is a lot like Deafheaven where I think they appeal to a unique audience that likes a wide variety of music but has an "indie" foundation and with indie music and it's popularity, bands like deafheaven and turnstile with that indie aesthetic and influence serve as entry level groups to an obviously more extreme genre like hardcore or black metal. Not taking anything away from either band, I personally really enjoy both but some of the praise of "uniqueness" is more rooted in ignorance to a genre by a more outside observer type than anything. Again, not knocking either band or saying that they aren't doing interesting things and creating great music.
got here from a recommend off the fantano review. the extra context is good stuff, thanks man!
All the bands/songs you showcased that were Turnstile adjacent were sick. I've got a lot of stuff to listen and catch up on. Always appreciate your input on new music and the influences that came before.
I really loved this album. I’ve been into them for a while now but never loved them and wanted them to do something a little different. this album 100% met that for me
So, I've always thought that Turnstile had been vibing on Bad Brains, and even some of Living Colour's heavier riffs, but it's crazy to see older bands they are quite clearly taking even more influence from that I had never really considered.
Great and very informative video as always. I wish you'd talked a bit more about the new album itself as I really like it and thought you might break down some of the particular tracks you liked/didn't like.
Great video, well researched, I learned a lot. Tnx!
The song "Gravity" combines the best elements of Tough-Guy hardcore with 311. My friend said 311 gave a shout out to Turnstile at their Baltimore show.
@@frankiew311 i thought it was just me but every time they do those spacey sounding clean vocals it always reminded me of nick hexum
Yeah I was there that night. He gave them a good shout out
Another band I would consider Turnstile sounding like is Quicksand. I never heard you mention them on your channel before and would love to hear your thoughts about them. Thanks!
YUP
This was a great video Finn! The history is really cool that I didn’t know about. 💯
Very honest review , I like Turnstile and i heard some of the reference you gave in this vid. I would add also some Rival School vein when we talk about some melodic and bouncy songs such as Mystery
Love Turnstile! Been into em since Nonstop Feeling. They're cool and foward-thinking, but they totally honor the past. And, I'm pretty sure if I were to play them for the kids on my bus, they would love them. This new record seems to be pretty huge. I tried to pick it up at a record store, over the weekend, and they were completely sold out of it.
Handsome was so underrated! Saw them live and blew me away. I was into all that post HC stuff. Like Shift, Quicksand and Orange 9mm.
Thanks, Finn. My hardcore days were in the '80s in Boston. You just turned me on to six bands I was not familiar with!
Very well done video. Lot of Quicksand/Helmet in Turnstile. It’s clear the band did their homework
D-fang deserves credit for being the drummer in basically all of the best hardcore/punk adjacent bands of the last 15 years.
I can respect what Turnstile has done with their music, Constantly growing and not being afraid to try new things. I do enjoy their newer stuff but nothing rips as hard as Pressure to Succeed and Step 2 Rhythm.
yes!!! i wish they would play more of those albums live, they finally played Pushing Me Away and Canned Heart in one of their shows in nyc and that’s how i happily died in the pit
@@sinaiulliel1700 amazing.
Hey Finn, I really enjoyed your honesty and insight in your review.
I'm a geezer, grew up through the 60's, and attached myself to bands that weren't in the mainstream.
Thanks for pointing out NY Hardcore '90s bands that I never knew about.
I really like the fact that you don't trash anybody, just state that it's not your thing, and still give them credit.
Tip Top review, rock and roll is ever evolving, may it bring some comfort to our souls going forward!
I was really stoked to type in Punk Rock MBA Turnstile and find this Deep Dive. It would be really awesome to see more of these and hear you speak on bands entire catalogue.
So the first time I heard this band I was hooked and began exploring why I loved them so much and then it hit me. You see I played bass in a NYC band called October's March in the early 90's. We played heavy rock with lots of influences from our ethnic backgrounds (two Greeks, an Argentinian, a half Grenadian Ghanian and me Puerto Rock from the Bronx) So we mixed in Latin rhythms and Freestyle, Hip hop swagger, Dancehall Reggae with the heavy sounds (also from various heavy genres). As a young boy in the early eighties I was smitten by Bad Brains and Dead Kennedys and did the whole CBGBs Hardcore matinee thing but I loved to listen and play all kinds of music. Maybe on the East coast we get that global music perspective from our port cities (think Liverpool getting blues and rock records from America ). With all these stylistic influence we played heavy but used danceable bass lines and polyrhythmic drumming. Fast forward to Turnstile and I'm like wow! These kids have picked up the torch on this style and have really given it more form and direction. So Finn is right that Post Hardcore sound is a proto version of where Turnstile is today, that is the musical DNA. They however should be wise to keep the musical language of hardcore central to their sound. The two step beat that whirling dervish sound that whips up crowds, Hardcore is a great release and is key to their success much like how Nirvana married Post Punk with Power Pop. Their audience is so incredibly diverse and they are so astute about the mechanics, meaning and etiquette of moshing (slam dancing) It warms this old farts heart! The kids are indeed all fuckin' right!
I want to hear your band!
Loving the hardcore history content! I know popular music is what gets you views, but I originally subscribed for hardcore.
I can't talk about punk and hardcore very often, but it's fun to do sometimes!
Such a well put together video! I feel like we shared a lot of the same opinions on things. Although, kinda sad that you skipped right over step 2 rhythm. But their latest album isnt reallllly my favorite, but I'm learning to just accept it. Obviously im more of a fan of their harder stuff, but im trying to set that aside and its slowly growing on me. HONESTLY the (biggest) reason why its growing on me more is because I pitch it down on my turntable and I think it sounds better slowed down.
I'm so glad you mentioned Shelter!!! I thought I was going crazy. Some of the vocals reminded me of Shelter! I'm glad I'm not the only one.
When I first heard Turnstile I was like “this is like if 311 was good” my dude said “yeah, it’s like hardcore lite” We both agreed it’s good and accessible. If it gets kids into HC, that’s cool.
as a kid who just got "into HC", what other good hc is there?
If 311 was good? 311 is one of the greatest bands of all time.
This record reminds me of the direction that Hundredth went in. I really like both bands and all of their records, and they definitely both seem to be going in the same direction.
Interesting video, I like this format, this deep dive into the influences of an artist. Good rating, too!
thanks for your point of view!!!!! Turnstile really is a game changer in music right now!!!! I would love to hear your opinion on the npr tiny desk and playing in the late night with seth meyers... It is really an awesome time for them and very well deserved!!!!! hope they continue growing!!!
Love Turnstile. Mainly cuz they sound to me like a 2021 version of Shelter. In fact, I forget sometimes while I’m listening to them that it’s not Ray Cappo singing.
*Just got to the part where you mention Shelter and HANDSOME. Right on! That Handsome record is one of my favorites of all time. Criminally underrated.
Head to hole
This album reminds me a lot of S.C.I.E.N.C.E. by Incubus. Nothing about this record sounds like hardcore, to me. It would have gotten a lot of radio play in 1997.
Thanks Finn! An insider on the NY Hardcore Scene really helps show their influences and Inspiration!!!! Cheers 🍻 from New Zealand 🇳🇿
"New Heart Design" sounds very Chuck Treece/McRad inspired to me. As an old man, I love that they take a classic hardcore sound and adds little bits of stuff like Chuck Treece, Bad Brains, Jane's Addiction, Snapcase, Token Entry, etc with catchy mosh parts.
Bands have been trying to expand the bounds of hardcore since the 80s. Husker Du went from a pretty straight forward hardcore band to basically inventing alt rock. This is absolutely not anything new and hardcore dudes that are upset at the sound change don’t know hardcore history
I’m just glad a hardcore band like them came from Maryland where I live. Definitely want more music rep besides ATL, Good Charlotte, Animal Collective, and Beach House from a state where all we have is one of the most dangerous cities in the country and crabs lmao
Same here,both in sharing your sentiments and being a Marylander.
Finn, thanks for this deep dive. Really appreciate what you're doing!
Thanks for watching!
Hey, great video. It alone made me subscribe. If you want an outsiders opinion, turnstile is the first hardcore band I got into. I usually listen to 90s rock, rhcp, black keys, the strokes. Heaviest is probably rage against the machine or nirvanas early stuff. Anyway, I like time and space the best. I feel like you hit the nail on the head with saying that they are between the weird stuff and the super hardcore stuff. At least that’s the vibe I get. So far I haven’t been able to get into any other hardcore bands. I’m gonna check out all the bands you mentioned and see if any stick. Time and space is where they really shined to me, I love the groovy riffs. I’m a drummer, so the drums is another reason that I kept listening. Another thing that sticks out to me is that I like Brendan’s vocals a lot more than any other hardcore band I’ve heard. Especially on time and space. For glow in he screams less and that was kind of a bummer to me, and they seem to be, like you said, crossing over into some weirder stiff and it doesn’t all work for me. Only thing I don’t like about glow in is some of the poppier stuff.
“what are you gonna do? make hardcore albums for 10 years with no experimentation? nobody wants to hear that” counterparts fans will like to speak to you.
I feel like counterparts, while maintaining their signature sound, were able to progress throughout each album whether ever so slightly. Their past two albums included more catchy and singalong worth choruses which I found pretty sick.
Imo they have a perfect blend of heavy/intricacy/catchy elements within their sound and I absolutely love it
Do not like counterparts but I think they stay relevant and have a strong following because they are all talented musically.
This album cover looks like a craft beer can . This new album is definitely for the hardcore kids that had 2 kids and got softer (softdadcore)
Nah.
*stares in 'how dare you*
I have an 18 month old son, only drink craft beer and this is the first Turnstile album I've gotten super into.
You nailed it. So many hardcore bands...and punk bands got wrapped up in the alternative music craze in the 90s and adapted.
Great review, thanking you for telling us about turnstiles background and where they come from stylistically, although the influence of bands like leeway and orange 9mm is clear on turnstile, i think what really makes the band different is the little things they add which sound really big in the context of the band like the rick Astley fill before the breakdown of TLC or the bollywood indian sitar in don't stay or the jazzy bassline with hip hop like beats which opens up holiday and ends with it,small things like these go a long way in making turnstile the band that they are