Victoria's Secret Snatched Fenty's CEO??! l Too Much Mouth
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Problematic Opinion, but... it's not like the CEO of Fenty is carrying. The products are average. Really and truly, Rihanna is carrying that brand. Her fans are the reason it's successful. The CEO doesn't really matter as long as Rihanna is the face and the models are diverse.
It's because Savage doesn't seem to design or innovate the they do with Fenty. The clothing looks and feels cheap. As if she just adds her logos to mass produced garments. It's kinda sad because her being the fashion queen that she is, you would think she would have followed a more traditional format for production. But that would cost more money and time. Fast fashion is easier.
@thingsilove18 I didn't want to say it... but as a child of the lingerie world (my mother owned a lingerie boutique in my younger years), I've never felt inclined to buy her products. It gave cheap mass-produced Chinese warehouse lingerie for the street vendors. Very much fast fashion. But that's why all they need is her face to sell. Her fans do the work tbh.
Eh, I’m not sure just how much her face alone can carry it cause they wouldn’t have had to rebrand so quickly after the initial launch and now she’s still visibly present in the marketing but she stepped down and the designs/ppls interests in them has gone down again but their visibility hasn’t. All of her brands have great marketing/pr teams that help them a lot. It’s the quality of the products ppl be questioning 🥴🥴
@@Shanygne it struggles WITH her face for sure because the brand itself has nothing worth purchasing over Victoria's Secret or Aerie. But it would quickly fade into non-existence without her face. Most people purchase because they like her... not the products.
@@thingsilove18really, I did not know this. And felt bad that I’d not ever made a purchase from Savage. Being that it is black owned.
I truly believe you would flourish with your own talk segment whether it’s a podcast or whatever because you have a way of knowing what you’re talking about without jumping through subjects. You are the only influencer who’s video I actually watch even when you aren’t doing make up or vlogging. You can keep people attention and entertained while giving suggestions it’s all just *chefs kiss!
Aww 🥹🥹 thank you. I just be chatting and hope it makes sense to y’all lol
I agree!
I wasn't checking for either brand, but im always here for any tea you wanna spill ☕🐸
@@jandnoc lol 🫶🏾🫶🏾🫶🏾
You look gooodttttt, girl!!
Thank yewwwww!
You mentioned a point about the loss of glitz and glam for the inclusive pieces and that is very similar to Barbie.
In 2015 Barbie went through a rebrand and introduced different hair textures, skin tones, and body types. However to compensate for the diversity the clothing quality has considerably dipped. If you look at a Barbie from 2003 and the Barbies from 2017 they're miles apart.
The fabrics are thin, designs printed on one side, and boxy/ baggy silhouettes.
Instead of blaming corporate greed the racists will blame DEI for the dip in quality which is unfortunate.
The problem with the VS 'inclusive' show or whatever; those outfits where so ill-fitting or at least the promo shots made them look that way. Whereas on Savage, the ladies may be big but the outfits fit them well and are flattering. Which is why when i want to feel sexy, i do go to Savage. I have always felt like VS was never for me. Especially as i have big boobs and their bras just never sat right and their knickers just looked like they would look better on a skinny person, even though they had my size. So even before Fenty, i would just always end up at La Senza on Intimissimi instead of VS...
Not gonna lie though, when savage first came out, i definitely thought they were going to be on a similar wavelength to Ann Summers but at a somewhat affordable price range and a wider size range. But alas. Maybe as Savage have lost their person, they could hire the team from Ann Summers. Now that would be something!!
I love the change with dove and Victoria secret . We should stay showing a range of bodies
Damn her glow is amazing
I like Fenty Beauty. I like Fenty Skin more! I think it’s a solid brand!
Victoria Secret's biggest sizes are XL (16/18 US) and XXL (20 US). The avg American woman wears a size between 18 and 20. Idgaf about models that look like me if I cant fit into their clothes.
Ma’am, plz tell us about the lip combo you’re gracing us with!
With big companies, don’t they have a non-compete clause? It’s certainly an interesting move by Victoria secrets. Can’t wait to see the outcome of it.
I tried Fenty, but it’s no way you’re gonna make me pay $60 a month subscription for shein quality stuff that I still have to buy on top of the subscription ….I still would rather pay the money for Vicky’s the quality in the bras aren’t even comparable …..I know ……but the quality just isn’t there for me
The only thing stopping me from buying SavageXFenty lingerie is the fact that in order to get a better deal you need to opt into a monthly subscription. Like girl I am not going through bras that fast.
And cancelling the subscription is beyond a pain in the ass
I always wanted to try savage x fenty bc of the size inclusivity and designs. Victoria secret never peaked my interest and they stopped at a certain size anyways
I’m definitely not surprised! The child labor thing was serious with fenti, then the whole thing with the membership stealing money and wiping points off of accounts that have been with a Fenty for years, Lastly lot of the designs with Fenty can be replicated easily through Shein and Temu.
They have an outlet store by me and because of the outrageous prices for 2 inchs of fabric, and uncomfortable bras
And a Out of touch hairline it’s almost like she needs to go back to making music
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Fenty beauty should’ve been the end!
Fashion was A good step before people started understanding cruelty free applies to people and labor costs 😢
The thing about escapism and beauty and economic downturns is women historically, will spend a pretty penny on simple things to feel nice.
But damn 15-30 edge control
$50 foundation $40 bras $50 panties
Looking at those prices, don’t make me feel nice. It makes me feel very poor. , not demure…not mindful at all It’s not giving classy. It’s giving financially stressed.
"We not gon clock that right now." LOL Thanks for more discussion
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I stopped my savage subscription when the products wouldn’t last a season…and I treat them much more gently than other lingerie brands. I went back to VS and the sizing/quality is better. Great video and insight!
this just reminded me to get my VS nightgowns for the winter lol
Lol nah deadass it’s time to prepare for winter
Savage Fenty needs stores. Also, the quality is not that good.
I was waiting for you to talk about this 😅
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Honestly, haven't seen an ad from either this year. Just Blogilates!
I’m all here for VS. quality, sex appeals, HUBBY APPROVES😂Still keeping my membership for SAVAGE ( RiRi Stan)🤟🏾
The membership is nice if you like to keep your panty game stocked up, but it’s not a requirement to get pieces from Fenty to be a member. But I have not shopped Victoria secrets in years just because I never felt like they were bigger cup size friendly
off topic: cannot remember who recommended that Kosas lip oil you or Andrea… but it is👌🏾👍🏾🔥
This makeup look is fire
Those outfits they put on the pulse size models was a literal atrocity ! They need to make the pulse size look better and fit better. i have popped in VS and the peices are nice .
I don’t spend that much on undies anymore. Target got good bras and draws for a reasonable price. 😂
I love the savage Fenty sets I had the old membership before they started the monthly bs. Just wait till the end of the month and of the items are on sale. But the old VS items still good quality.
Agree vs is better quality 🥴
I agree with that part about wanting to see the perfect body b/c it's the opposite of you..that's exactly why i loved watching the big shows, it's fantasy, it's a show..it didn't make me want to buy..it was just entertaining to me..
It’s true lol ppl just don’t like admitting it
@@Shanygne exactly
The difference between VS and Fenty is that Rih Rih is the brand and her fan based is solid.
Eh it’s not that simple. If that was all it took savage wouldn’t have had to rebrand shortly after launching, Fenty the luxury clothing brand wouldn’t have had to shut down and Fenty hair wouldn’t have gotten so much backlash before it even launched. A celebrity being the face and having a mega fanbase like Rihanna Beyoncé etc. isnt enough to maintain a brand. Especially brands that aren’t related to where most of those fans come from.
Please bless us with the lip combo!!!! That said I'm not surprised but it's not really going to do anything.
*i realized this could come off wrong*
Honestly there is nothing that VS can really do. Their base is honestly set. I still shop there and prefer them over Fenty. They are honestly in a damned if they do damned if they dont situation.
VS should have kept the brand as is. They sell a fantasy. It’s aspirational. VS has nice lingerie, loungewear and pajamas. They’re a classic in my opinion. There loungewear is slept on. I’ve been wearing it for years. I also love their bras and body lol mist. Yeah I’m a VS girlie. You would think Fenty or any brand would have some type of exclusivity contract for competing brand, or a non compete clause. I have never tried Savage X Fenty. I’m not into subscriptions. However, they definitely have the cool factor. But I’ve never checked it out there adds are enticing!
This finna be interesting
I’m a hardcore Rihanna fan as a fellow Caribbean native. However, I’ve never and probably never will purchase from Savage Fenty. I purchase select fenty beauty products in makeup and skin care but I’m a Victoria Secret gworl for my undies. 5 for 25 and I can walk into the store yeah! VS has a quintessential experience of underwear shopping. Also I remember in the 90s, 2000s & early 2020s my bestie use to host watch parties for the VS show at her house and my friends would all dress up and bring goodies and have a TIMEEEEEE looking forward to the wings every year and cheering our favorite models! When Savage came in it didn’t give the same glamour and excitement for us to continue hosting those watch parties for savage instead. So we just gather for Miss Universe now.
I feel like a lot is different now 🥴
@@Shanygne very true! The fantasy and glamour is removed especially with the rise of social media. The mystery is gone.
It feels a little too late though. It took them too long to change, they didn’t implement the changes quick enough, they just kind of here, there you go now are y’all happy??!!
Ive never worn any Savage fenty things but I'm told the quality is crap. VS has better quality but not inclusive for bigger chests, oddly.
You are so gorgeous 😍 WOW!!! 🤩🤩
I have never seen a savage ad, I'm in my mid 30s maybe I'm not in their demographic.
I'm 33 and get their ads a lot.
I definitely think that Victoria's Secret should have kept their brand as selling the fantasy. I never got why they paid attention to that criticism. Just expand to different hues (ethnicities) but tall, skinny, beautiful, serving face and can walk... that's all. That's your brand. And I'm 5 feet. I'll live. You just need to keep your brand as is. That body positivity ish was not going to be a forever thing. Beauty standards will always have a grip.
Beauty standards might have a grip, but as younger consumers have more buying power and drive trends the stores that have a more body positive outlook are doing well. That’s aerie’s whole outlook and they’re in a more healthy and financially relevant spot than VS
Besides body positivity isn’t just catered towards the extremes. It’s for anyone that is outside the fashion industry’s ideal of skinny, white, and conventionally attractive. In this economy people are not jumping to give money to overpriced brands whose whole market strategy “this is what we see as pretty deal with it” as evidenced by Victoria secret’s frequent sales
@LP-ct9nk aerie is my store. I think they did diversity well and first, no shade to fenty. I do believe the person that started it was also a CEO of Victoria's Secret or in a similar role. They just knew the way to differentiate is to fully diversify.
That being said, Victoria's Secret brand does not need to diversify beyond ethnic groups. They're a "runway" brand that is commercial. They need to keep their models as the fantasy. The most beautiful of the beauty standards from every ethnic group. Younger women defying beauty standards does not erase or remove beauty standards. They can be diverse on the website (show the style on every size) or in a commercial. But their brand should be the fantasy because they have otherwise lost what made them different. Falling into the mold doesn't make them stand out. And people understand fantasies. They can see themselves in a beautiful girl of their ethnic group. Most people just want to see their people represented. Unfortunately, they're diversifying is like a Miss Universe but featuring the average (short/plussized/unattractive) girl. People say they want to see that. They don't. Not really.
Interesting you mentioned beauty standards don't change but suggest to have VS show models of different skin tones but not sizes. Skin tones, Eurocentric features were also part of the beauty standard. But that slowly changed thanks to the Black is Beautiful movement for example. Beauty standards are set by people and people change so beauty standards change as well. I'm with Shangyne, VS should've kept the models but also the sexy Angel aesthetic. Savage worked because of that. Now I never bought their items so can't speak on quality but from what I remember their marketing was on point.
@nancykerrigan the standard of beauty did not change. Yall are confusing your isms with beauty standards. Racism ≠ beauty standards. There have always been a universal beauty standard based on ideals. Good teeth, healthy hair, symmetric face, proportioned body, smooth or clear skin etc etc.
Being thick and being obese are too vastly different standards that some women like to blend up. But majority don't if we're being honest. Having someone from your ethnic group who meets the universal beauty standard represent you is very different from aspiring to make obesity, being short, being unattractive, having severe acne - a beauty standard.
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Is VS relevant anymore? I swear they went out of business..well in my area a couple of the stores closed dwn..so out of mind out of site
I like their period panties and they’ve got some loungewear that’s nice
@@Shanygne oh well thk u for that..i didnt know they sold period panties
Do you think that the brands are a bit skittish because of the backlash Lane Bryant got from the lingerie ad featuring Ashley Graham.
100 agree
Ngl I miss the VS show 😢 it was iconic (as the kids keep saying nowadays 😂)
I’m hoping VS goes back to being “extra”. Their PINK brand use to be super girly and cute. But now it’s looks kinda boring
The VS regular stuff wasn’t sexy like the Og VS lingerie. We wanted sexy lingerie on regular looking people
Edit: I haven’t seen any savage x fenty stuff this year
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This is interesting. But you did make good points about both companies!