Athlytic App Feature Review for Apple Watch Ultra - Making Something Out of Nothing
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Athlytic App Feature Review for Apple Watch Ultra - Making Something Out of Nothing
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00:00 Start
00:29 Overview
02:16 Primary Change
03:03 Major Feature 1: HRV
04:29 Major Feature 2: Sleep Overview
05:38 Major Feature 3: Health Stat Summary
07:26 Feature Tidbits
07:36 1 Recovery Score
08:28 2 Exertion Score
09:37 3 Restorative Sleep Time
10:49 4 Sleep Debt
12:24 5 Health Stat Trends
14:05 6 App Development
14:36 Summary - What It Means
15:56 What They Can Improve: Training Features
Can you do a refresh of the app with the new updates of stress, and trim scores
Solid review and assessment. Thanks.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate you saying so.
Awesome video.
Can you review Chipr? One of my favorites
How does the training readiness on athletic compares to Garmin Training readiness? Like the one on the new venu 3?
I want to ask a question that I can't seem to find an answer to anywhere on the internet. I currently have a Garmin epix and I really like it. However I'm considering the Apple watch ultra and I was playing with it in the store and I can't seem to figure out one basic thing.... During a strength training session after I finish reps on any given exercise normally on the Garmin watch I can hit the lap key and it will activate a rest timer. And then I can hit it again and resume the workout. And at the end of the workout when I stop it it will split the work time and rest time. How is this done on an Apple watch? I don't think there is a possibility to use a rest timer on the native built-in strength app on the Apple watch is there? So my question is what about using a different app for workouts is that a possibility and be able to program the side button on the Apple watch ultra to do rest timing?
You can set at least their recovery and exertion data as complications on many of the watch faces. I think you have a spot on point of that missing training load information. And I would also wish you could see these recovery, exertion and sleep numbers more than just last 60 days. Or at least I have not managed to get trend lines eg. from the beginning of the year...
Yes I didn't have the stupid app installed on my updated AW! Ugh - going to pin comment now.
But completely agree all around - thanks so much for the thoughts and comment
Great video! So I know you said garmin #1 what are you wearing as your primary these days?
Right now the Garmin Epix bc testing against the Apple Watch Ultra - first take video coming out soon!
Awesome walk through. Agree, I would want the stats on my AW. Also 60 days of preceding HRV is too much. I started sleeping with the AW, and then had to wait 60 days for the analysis to make sense again (instead I bought a Garmin). If the many more HRV measurements setting you mentioned is activated, Athlytics should cut it down to Garmins period. And Garmin provide these stats without subscription.
Yes I agree - it's a TON of build time. I think they should do 20 days and then just let users know it will get most accurate by the 60th day
@@fitgearhunter I have been trying out Athlytic and the Training Today App (suggested by you) for weeks with AWS6 and FR955 on each wrist for weeks including sleep. While Athlytic is cool (love sleep score, the stress view etc.), Training Today removes HRV outliers, and with the Afib setting and sleeping with both watches, Training Today readiness score is now comparable to Garmin for me 👍👍👍 I LOVE that Training Today is also a native AW app not needing an iPhone👍👍👍 I am coming home to AW when I find the money for an Ultra.
Athletic - The HRV reading favours the mindfulness reading after waking which is only 1 reading - not sure 1 reading can determine training readiness! I also tried doing 5 separate mindfulness readings in the hope it would average out the 5 readings but still the readiness still only used 1 reading. I have the AW5 maybe HRV in this app is designed for AWU ?
my issue is the effort score is based purely on heart rate max and how long you're in it for. The bike ride I did yesterday my average HR in a powerzone ride was 129....not very high...over 45 minutes. But my legs are done today...because I was doing intervals at zone 5 and 6. So although they only have HR to review and assess effort level it's not always going to be accurate in terms of how you feel. My average heart rate may well be "low" on effort over an hour but that doesn't mean my body isn't tired afterwards. I suppose that's the limitations of using HR only. I get it. It's just that I'm rarely going to be up at HR 160 or above for 45 -60 minutes each workout...other than triathlon and marathon runners etc. So for general workouts or hard bike intervals, not sure it's something you can 100% rely on.
Looks solid. I'm interested to see how if the temp ends up being useful.
Yes me too. With Whoop it just shows you if you are out of your traditional range which can indicate something else physiologically going on. I think that's pretty much all that any device can do.
If I have a Sleep Debt and I’m able to catch some nap time in the afternoon, how would the Watch Ultra and this app be compensating for this debt?
I have been wearing both the apple watch6 and my garmin 955 to sleep for a fortnight. The garmin always gives me a poor sleep score which has knock on effects on my training readiness and recovery. But my apple sleep score has been good, with good deep and rem sleep. With Athytic set to take my sleep data from Apple, my readinss and recovery are showing much better scores there. Since the apple health app takes my workout data from my garmin, I use my garmin for training, and use either both my apple watch and or gamin at night for sleep tracking and hrv.
Are you going to continue having both watches for different purposes like Garmin for training? Reason for asking is because I own a Apple Watch series 8 but I’m debating whether or not to buy a Garmin for training only.
@@noel881 yes, I always use my Garmin for training. I still wear both the apple or garmin for sleep tracking, but I have dropped my subscription for the athletic app. I really don’t need it. I also wouldn’t want another subscription like Train Outdoors as the Garmin covers all of that.
@@noel881 I’m on the same boat as you , but which Garmin are you thinking of buying ? Venu 3?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. My trainer is not Apple Savy!
Awesome app my Whoop is up in 2 month so just cancelled and got myself a lovely Apple Watch SE with a red strap (matches my bike shoes 😂)Will be such a relief not to have to wear the stupid band on my right Wrist anymore And watch on the other. This is definitely a WHOOP killer as you said all the advantages of an iwatch plus all the advantages whoop all in one and only one thing to wear. Also got the work outdoors app as well that’s amazing with the mapping perfect for cross country ultramarathons I’ve Avoided apple for so long but it’s time And from other UA-camrs reports, it seems for sleep, tracking and heart rate tracking is far more accurate on the Apple Watch than whoop
Great tip with the continuous HRV monitoring So I can see the data All throughout the night
Hrv tip is a game changer until they allow more frequent data points from the get go. Was my favorite tracking feature on my fenix 7 before switching to Ultra
Thanks! But make sure you scrub the HRV data every morning to delete the erroneously high readings!
@@fitgearhunterwhat do you mean by that? Should we delete all HRV data when we wake up? i have HRV data back to 2017 and activated the afib for more HRV measurements last week after i saw your video
I was debating between woop and ultra . After this I don’t feel it’s even close, ultra it is
Nice! And yes between the two I agree.
The whoop journal were you can add different things you did differently that day eg taking supplements or drinking alcohol can effect the scores whereas athlytic does have that and also athlytic doesn’t produce weekly and monthly detailed report
@@asianboss6355 yes very true. The whoop produces much more along those lines. Good point.
Of course I have both as a CF. 😂
My observations. In the health app you can choose what you want to be displayed in the summary which is quite useful to glance at. I am concerned that having AF history on all the time drains battery. So I just activate it before I turn on sleep focus and then in the morning I turn it off as don’t need hrv being measured throughout the day. I have noticed my hrv varies a lot throughout the night so I question the usefulness of it? Yes I can go into the data and delete any outliers but from what I’ve read it’s much better just to take a manual hrv reading with the breathe app immediately upon waking. Curious to know your thoughts on that vs average sleep hrv which seems to be all over the place for me?
The AF history does not seem to drain the battery on the Apple Watch 9. Each morning I still have at least half the battery charge and it only takes about 15 minutes to charge it to 100%. From what I've read, you want to be measuring HRV frequently and especially during the night. I wear my watch during the night for that purpose (as well as to monitor sleep), and I always leave the AF history on. Hope this helps.
@@susanr23 hi yes I have just been leaving af history on. My reading throughout the night seem to be quite random so I always take a manual reading as soon as I wake up with the breathe app and use that for my recovery score
I have heard that that is a good way to do a recovery reading. As far as wearing the watch, I take it off in the morning while I’m charging it and I give my wrist a rest. Then I wear it the rest of the day and all night and it seems to be pretty accurate, but I am debating getting a polar heart monitor. I was recently diagnosed with a fib and that’s why I bought the watch.
@@susanr23 I leave my watch on all the time except when taking a shower which is when I charge it. Not sure what readings you need for afib but I find the Apple heart rate readings pretty accurate. I sometimes wear a polar strap for high intensity exercise because the Apple Watch can be slow to pick up quick spikes in heart rate but generally it’s spot on for steady cardio
thank you. i agree. @@jonpageable
Do you use Athlytic's app to record workouts on the watch or native workout app?
Also which one you recommend for CrossFit; Cross Training, or HIIT?
Hey! I typically just record using the workout app, because I haven't really found any app that adds extra value. You could look at the WorkOutDoors app if you really want to customize the data you are viewing during a workout, many really like that one
Excellent video! Has anyone figured out a way to add exertion level in the app? I do some trainings like jiu jitsu where I don’t wear my AW so I don’t break it and I want Athlytic to be a bit more consistent to measure this tougher workout and my recovery.
No! Great point - no way to add that I know of. Sorry!
@@fitgearhunter So i been trying to use the athyltic app and it doesn't save my workout on the history section, I did one Friday and it saved those 3 workout it saved those results but not the Workout results I did on sunday any help will be appreicatied.
I had the same issue so I bought a polar verity sense to wear during training. It works with the Apple health app which then uploads to Athlytic
@@tayls3182 Yep - good call - thanks for commenting!
Thanks! How do you think Athlytic compare with polar nightly recharge? Thanks!
It only provides about 1/5 of the detail that the nightly recharge does. It simply hangs its hat on HRV values, but there are a lot of physiological studies that say that is the most important.
@@fitgearhunter Thanks! This week I found out the nightly recharge does better than my Fenix 7 morning report in term of tracking how my body is.
Really good summary, I’ve been using the Epix2 and previous Fenix’s for a while. I don’t need the 5 days battery really (ie Epix) so actually the outstanding HR & Sleep tracking on the Ultra is crucial for every metric and is much more accurate than Garmins. Apps like WorkOutDoors and especially Athlytic (as you say here) really make the Ultra compelling, especially if you don’t really need the 5 day battery of a Garmin. Also, FYI the Ultra battery has been 58-60hrs for me with workouts and all day use (and not in lower power mode) which is really impressive (for an Apple Watch) 😀
Or, the other, cheaper, Apple watch options as well. Apple's strength in the sports watch field is it's sensors, which are uniform across the different models. The ultra has the greater battery, durability and multi band GPS; if you don't need those you can save a lot of money.
SE model 2022 will be just fine, same sensor and accuracy as the AW8
The SE is probably the best choice for health metric accuracy. The general rule is the lighter the watch the better the reading. Additionally, it will be the most comfortable to wear while sleeping.
Good points all around! And answering one of the other comments I would not worry about SE over regular eight for weight because it's super negligible and the Apple Watch sensor can definitely keep up with anything. The ultra may be very minimally but I yank my Apple Watch all over the place during a work out and it just somehow keeps up.
I'm gonna do a comparison review for the Apple Watch Ultra and the epics as well, but for me the Epix is superior because of the all in one physiological summaries it provides, and I really do appreciate the battery life. If you go out of town for a couple days you don't have to be paranoid about anything .
BUT - doing extensive testing again for the heart rate sensor and it is a far cry from the accuracy of the Apple Watch. If you were doing CrossFit or high intensity interval training like I do you you basically absolutely have to use an external heart rate monitor.
Even though WHR and maybe Sleep tracking is better on the AW especially Calories is so off for me on the AW that I gained weight using it while maintaining a daily 300-500 kcal deficit. Calories on the AW works for standards like running or cycling and swimming. But do some sports that has natural low volume parts and it would overshoot by up to 4x for me. Make it Climbing, Bouldering or Skateboarding. Same for VO2max. It would constantly jump between 34 and 46 for me on the AW with a consistent pattern (up-hill intervals == low, VO2max while downhill runs or flat ground only run == high). Also Vo2max would go down significantly on the AW when I record an easy walk and go up when I record a brisk walk. Which is total BS and unusable data. VO2max does not jump by multiple points with one training for starters.
Garmin has proven to be the way better watch for me when it comes to predicting recovery, efforts, calories, vo2max, aso. Hell it even tells me when I had alcohol the night before (yes it said: Looks like you drank alcohol the night before ...) and I was having one G&T only. Three weeks ago it started telling me that I am exhausted and should rest because I might get sick. Two days later I got a bad sinusitis and just now where I am a bit better it starts telling me that I am in Recovery. Also with the Garmin I just can trust the calories and keep my deficit while loosing weight and not suffering any munchies or anything because of depletion
TL;DR: For the Garmin I don't mind sleep or HR not being 100% when the insights pulled from that data is so extremely spot on (at least for me). And if you are a serious sportsperson then even with the AW you use a HR-Strap nonetheless to have spot on data. And then there is no difference in HR.
That said I really dig Athlytic and would love to test it but the data important to me still comes from the AW only that grants me a 2500kcal 3h skate session where I just stood or rolled around 50% of the time and realistically did not pass 1000kcal.
Will the newer Apple Watch capture naps that might help with the sleep debt? I am still running a Series 3 Apple Watch, so I am at a crossroad of Apple Watch Series 9\Ultra 2 or get a Garmin Venu 3 of Coros Pace 3.
There is no real sleep dept, just a sleep deficit. Ask your Whoop, they will tell you its proven by their own science team, if you ask the bot if there is any independent prrof it says there isnt.
I wonder Fit Gear Hunter speaks about studies that show there is the possibility to keep up sleep dept as it is indicated by the app, over the cause of one week. I couldnt find any study about it besides the made up one from whoop. Maybe someone can link that study please?
Hi, what green strap are you wearing on your rh watch? Looks great
Hey! Let me find you the link - they are great
Here you go - these are the 22mm ones
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Thanks for video! I haven't (yet) subscribed to athlytic, but have one question about the "ready to train" stat. I worked out HARD yesterday, did a run, a walk, and a HiiT workout. This is absolutely NOT my norm. Today I am completely sore, and yet the app shows my ready to train as 80% ... is there an explanation that makes sense? Thanks so much!!
Sure - how long have you been using it? Have you activated the full nightly HRV? The recovery score is based on HRV values and needs 30 min days to know your averages - 60 for full history
@@fitgearhunter I JUST activated the full HRV (thanks to your suggestion). Just starting using athlytic last week.
@@Ericuf Yes - you'll have to give it time then - it will get there! But also remember that the HRV stat isn't all-inclusive of recovery honestly - that's why I lean to Garmin for a more comprehensive view of all aspects - namely the body battery and recovery time - your recovery time would be like 2 days after all of that haha.
Apologize if I missed it, but how does Athlytic pull HRV for the full night? Is this enabled by Apple now or does it occur through the Athlytic app?
Sure thing - it's automatic for Athlytic to pull, but you need to configure Apple Health settings as described here:
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Hi there! Great video. Do you notice anything strange in athlytic metrics ?? it gave me a 47,8 vo2 max when i did 3 activities within athlytic app , and apple watch gives me 34 vo2 max 2 months now… also these were indoor activities, and apple watch health app states that vo2 max is calculated in outdoor activities.
Hey! And thanks. Yes - I think Athlytic is only offering a very rough guesstimate of Vo2 for indoor activities. The AW is going to be much more accurate w that using outdoor activities. I would only take Athlytic as a guide for indoor progress.
Do you have it read your resting heart rate in the morning or use the apple watch RHR while awake?
Hey! I think it pulls the RHR from the AW automatically!
@@fitgearhunter that’s correct it does. Was wondering if you turned on their special feature that takes an average of sleep resting heart rate every morning versus the apple spot checks to keep your score steady through the day.
The recovery portion is extremely frustrating. For some reason my resting heart rate data has never felt accurate from my Apple Watch ultra compared to my previous garmin. I also feel like it never updates my resting heart rate data properly. For instance my recovery this morning is incredibly low, I have been training hard all week but it’s giving me this recovery score based off a resting heart rate that was recorded the previous day at 2:15pm while I’m working my ass off!? What sense does that make?? Also I can’t seem to trigger this whole HRV reading using the mindfulness app and getting a new score in the am. Either way it’s been really annoying.
Yes that sounds annoying for sure. I used the HRV from the watch automatically tracked after activating afib tracking. Have you tried that?
When I started using Athlytic I noticed it would only tell me my readiness to train based off the first HRV reading it took when I woke up and using the mindfulness app wouldn’t trigger a new reading to be taken, I posted on Reddit and got this response which helped me update my settings in Athlytic so the HRV readings taken throughout the day would be taken into account for my readiness to train and it’s felt pretty accurate based on how my body was feeling. If I’m understanding your issue right, this might help you. Turn off all three options in the Recovery Customisation settings group.
do Athlytic track sleep same accuracy as whoop 4,0?
i need to decide between whoop and apple watch
The Apple Watch does the tracking and feeds info to Athlytic for summarizing, and yes more accurate than whoop!
Can this app pull data from Polar Grit x and interpreted to recovery…..
Hey - no - it can't unf - that I'm aware of
Great video and review. I use Zwift a lot, mostly with workouts that are made by my coach and pushed into Zwift / or Garmin.
How to I get workouts into the Apple Watch ultra. I try use WorkOutDoors, but still to new to evaluate it.
How do I get Zwift data into the Athlytic app !?
Would the Apple Watch SE give all the data needed for Athlytic? Is oxygen and temperature actually helpful for tracking stress, fatigue and readiness?
Good question. The temperature aspect is really useful for sickness tracking, but otherwise all the main data can be taken from the SE. Thanks!
@@fitgearhunter Bought the SE. i don’t seem to be missing anything useful. I really like it.
@@CitadelPhotography great, so glad to hear.
Is there app that can do pace prediction for training? Like in Garmin and Coros?
Good question. Since I primarily train CrossFit I don't know unfortunately. There's got to be one out there, right?! That's a great question - thank you for posting it.
I think the Nike Run Club app has coaching and predictions
@@brettbrunsell5769 awesome. Thanks for sharing Brett
I am happy that i used this app for 7 days on trial mode. The reason i dont like to use this app is that it cannot read the heartrate data from a workout created in Strava (cycling with a Garmin Edge 1040 cycling computer with heartrate strap) and therefor the exertion info is not usable at all! This issue is not an issue from the app but from Apple that does not allow to transfer heartrate workout data from e.g. Strava to the Apple Health. So this app Athlytic does not see exertion as it relies on the heartrate data. You can however overcome this issue to track ALL your workouts with the apple watch. I dont use my apple watch when cycling so this does not work for me and i do not want to use the watch when cycling i have a Garmin cycling computer with maps and navigation for that.
Totally get that! That is a great point. I don't cycle so couldn't have caught that - thank you for mentioning!
One idea, use the Apple Watch to start the workout and then import that into strava?
@@Ericuf Good call! That would likely work, although I'm not an expert on Strava imports/etc. Thank you for commenting!
Do you need an ultra for the hrv data in athlytic?
No not at all! Any Apple Watch will flow data into the app
You said u were coming off c19 did the watch detect ur high temp?
Yes - all the devices were screaming at me haha. Thanks for asking
Does Athlytic app work with other workout app or only with apple fitness?
Hey! I believe any app that feeds into Apple Health will upload to the watch, but the best results come from tracking workouts from the Athlytic app or the native apple Workouts app. Hope that helps!
@@fitgearhunter ok thanks I wanted to get a app that tracks how many reps & how much weight I lift.
which apple watch to buy works great with the app ?
Any of them series 4 or newer!
@@fitgearhunter which one better for health apple watch se2 or 8?do i need temperature from watch 8
@@yamin2000 not necessarily, but it's definitely helpful for wellness tracking if you can afford it
Hmmmmm
Apple needs to buy these guys and iSmoothrun. All of the lacking features are found there.
I know - imagine if they took hold and perfected it all - it would be great - HealthFit too for Training Load
I don't need to clog my brain with more data crap. Life is already plenty complex. I sold my Apple Watch, my bike computer and just run, cycle and breathe.
Wow that's great! I am a little too dependent - it's true!
Apple health literally has all of this, just customize your widgets.
You guys are focusing on an app. The app just reads data from the watch. Everybody knows the Apple watch sucks at measuring HRV and RHR. All the statistics would be biased by the wrong input. As of today, two devices are measuring pretty well, the HRV and RHR: Whoop and the Garmin Fenix. So don't waste your time. Apps are just software. If you don't have the right hardware to measure, you are just talking of pie in the sky.
Was thinking of abandoning my ultra 2 watch for a newer garmin fenix because I am not happy with the lack of data in the workout app. I really want something like the amount of data that the garmin app provides. I am excited about this video and have downloaded Athlytic coupled with workoutdoors and I think it’ll help me to give my ultra2 another chance and save me some money. Thanks
Takes 10 minutes to tell us 2 minutes of useful information, typical woman