WHOOP Just Got Better! Secret Update (2024)
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:49 Heart Rate : Changes
01:52 Heart Rate Test 1 : Indoor Cycling
06:29 Heart Rate Test 2 : Outdoor Cycling
09:23 Heart Rate Test 3 : Weight Lifting
11:55 Heart Rate Test 4 : Indoor Cycling (Raphael)
14:06 Heart Rate Test 2 : Outdoor Cycling (Raphael)
15:31 Recommendations & Conclusions
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Apple got all the attention last week, launching their new Vitals app, which is a direct competitor to Whoop. However, Whoop also very silently launched a major upgrade about a month ago, which might just keep it ahead of Apple. The Whoop Strap and Whoop app have been my go-to system for overall health and sports tracking, because as an overall package it is great. However, when it comes to the individual elements of health and sports, the Whoop Strap has always been good, but not amazing. One thing that has needed some improvement in my opinion is the Heart Rate tracking during sports. So, imagine my surprise when I noticed that the heart rate patterns of my Whoop Strap looked different from normal. At first I thought that Strava, the app I use to save my heart rate, had made changes to the raw data, but this wasn’t the case. So, I went through the update logs of Whoop and saw that about a month ago they launched an “Improved heart rate estimation algorithm”. This explains why my heart rate patterns look different
So, though the differences are not as big as they are for me, I would say that also on Raphael the heart rate tracking seems to have improved. Additionally, the weird artifacts of having this weird smoothed constant heart rate are gone for him as well. So, overall, there does seem to be an improvement in heart rate tracking, which is something I am quite excited about. It also shows the power of algorithms. With the exact same hardware, Whoop has been able to get significantly better performance. This also gives me hope that other aspects, like for instance the Sleep stage tracking might improve further. Where Whoop is a lot better than the Oura Ring at heart rate tracking, it is slightly worse at sleep stage tracking. I personally use a combination of the Oura Ring and Whoop Strap for most of my wearable health tracking, where Whoop is probably the best all-rounder for sports and health, but the Oura is better for just the sleep part. I am curious if the new Vitals app that Apple announced will be able to challenge them, though my first tests make me think it is just a first step, and a lot is still lacking compared to what Whoop and Oura offer, but more about that in a future video. - Наука та технологія
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Are you playing in reviewing the Withings ScanWatch 2? Also love your videos btw.
Waiting for the afflering
hmmm, i'm getting $16.30 off a 24 month membership.🧐
It's very, very, very rare to see such a huge jump in accuracy so long after the release of a given type of heart rate monitor, I'm very impressed and commend Whoop for sticking with it and making the product better. Whoop 4 is getting long in the tooth and I'm not sure how well it compares to products like the Apple Watch which are offering more and more of the analytics Whoop specialized in but despite my concerns for Whoop long term, accuracy needs to be the foundation of a product like theirs and at least they made a big step forward.
You pay 30$ every month, they better keep the updates schedule
Happy to hear you are happy with it!
Would love to see VO2MAX accuracy as well. Just need to do yours once at a lab, and then can compare it to each device's estimation value
I am really enjoying your channel over the last couple of year. As a PhD student in cardiovascular health I also love to track my health metrics and can really appreciate your effort and work that goes into testing all these fitness devices. Furthermore, a couple of months ago I also decided to get a Whoop since I like the discreetness on the biceps, and the sleep tracking. Fantastic to see that the heart rate tracking improved via a software update. Makes me enjoy this little device even more. I also really like that you start to track other people! fantastic job!
Wow, happy to hear that!
Ultrahuman Air review, please, please, please!
Thanks for the update as always. Always enjoy your reviews. Look forward to see if this update improves sleep and HRV.
Thanks for the continued, amazing info!! 🙏 Would love to see updated sleep metrics with the new algorithm! 👊
Great video, and thanks for making it. Confirmed my suspicions that my HR activity has been more accurate over the past few days since the firmware update. When I wear the Whoop on my bicep, and an Apple Watch Ultra on my wrist, the two are giving me identical results during workouts. Great result.
I really wonder how a whoop worn on the wrist would compare to the Apple Watches and garmin etc. would be more fair of a test imo.
I appreciate your videos SO much. They’re one of my top factors in my purchasing decisions.
Love it, great video
Thanks!
Awesome thank you.
You're welcome!
Thanks mate.😁
Love your work
Are you able to compare the whoop heart rate accuracy wearing on the bicep vs the wrist?
can you make a video comparing the accuracy of the whoop on your wrist and bicep
I recall some time ago you were going to compare the accuracy of the Whoop 4.0 HR tracking when wearing it on the wrist v wearing it on your bicep. Have you done this comparison yet? If so, do you believe for activity tracking the Whoop 4.0 is more accurate via the bicep strap compared to the wrist?
yes, pls pls pls do that, i also wear it on the wrist (like most people i know how have a whoop) so it would be really interesting for me as well, pls do a review with comparing them, ps: love your work, u are doing exactly the thing i wanted to know, so keep up the good work!
Thank you! What about sleep?
Do you have more information about the polar 360 ?
Hey Rob,
i really love your viedeos.
I was wondering if you plan to make a viedeo for the withings scanwatch 2? I would love to see how good it performs. Please keep going with this awesome work!
Cars with unlockable features only if you pay for the subscription... Smartbands, smartrings and smartwatches that only work fully or partially by paying a subscription... Ahh... 😮💨 F*** subscriptions.
No
When you track workout via apple watch, and whoop app process it, the hr on whoop log is used by the whoop HR that was recorded while use the apple watch workout?
Die Beste Quelle wenn es um das Thema Fitness Tracker geht! Danke Rob!
Danke!
Hi Rob - your reviews are great. It would be great to see different devices tested with different sports though. Appreciate you need to keep consistency in test conditions but personally I've experienced Whoop perform really poorly for boxing vs a Polar H10
Hi, would love to see reviews on the Kospet Tank T3 and the Tic watch 5 please! Your reviews are unique and awesome!
The most intresting thing about Woop is that a youtuber (Shervin Shares) tested a woop, Apple watch and Garmin calorie burn calculation VS three different Sports Lab calorie count equipment, and the results show that the Whoop strap is the best in calorie count, and in worst caees it will (under-estimate) by only around 40 calories which is good to under estimate few calories that you burned than to over estimate.
I might by woop and test along sidey Huawei Watch Fit 2.
Interesting! I would need to read up more about this before commenting
In your experience, does this algorithm change impact the accuracy of the HRV measurements?
Would you be able to review the Myzone switch
Thank you for all of your videos. Do you have a video explaining why you decided to use Whoop rather than Apple Watch even though Apple scores better than Whoop on all of the tests I've seen you do?
Hej Rob,
Did you recognize any change due to Sleep Tracking? Did it also improve with the update?
Cristiano invested a lot of money so i think the team will improve a lot very soon :)
As ever, an excellent review. Thank you! However, I'm not sold on Whoop. As I understand it, correct me if incorrect, the Whoop recovery score is calculated using sleep, HRV and strain. As sleep tracking, and associated sleep stages, is a bit of a dark art and Whoop scores well but not as well as other wearables there must be some doubt about the accuracy of the recovery score. As Whoop measures HRV during deep sleep, and sleep tracking is not an exact science, how can one be sure the recovery score is accurate? I've been using a Whoop for a couple of months and it is very often at odds with my preferred option. I use an Apple Watch 9 paired with a Polar H10. Exercise data is then input to Polar Flow to evaluate strain and recovery. Add this to regular orthostatic tests and fitness (VO2 Max) tests on the Polar system and I get a good overview of my strain and recovery. Fully accept that any data, if ignoring specific data points, can provide good information about trends but I also like to think that assumptions are based on accurate data.
Is there also a discount code for whoop membership that I can enter in the app? I currently have the test version
What about sprinting, jogging etc..?
Aura 2 strap review please!
Would love to see your take on the new Suunto Race S coming up. Appreciate your content!
Awesome stuff. Looking forward to seeing what Apple does with the vitals app. Hopefully it can eventually replace my Whoop.
vitals is interesting in beta 1 but it reports hearth not about HRV . that is disappointing but at least i see that naps are finally recorded too!
They need to come out with whoop 5.0
its good to know that huwei its cheaper, no subscription and better results haha...thanks rob...still waiting for the huawei watch 4 pro review...
Honor Band 9 Review? Thank You
Are you going to do another huawei band 9 review?
Yes, where sleep test?
I would be much more interested in more accurate sleep stage tracking. HR tracking matters more in a sports watch
I noticed that for running the heart rate detection now is fine enough. In the past the heart rate was too high.
You should use a logarithmic x-axis for your watch ranking, the right side is very cramped while the left side is almost empty. A log plot would spread the data out and improve readability.
I researched this channel and some other sources, finally decided to buy Polar H10 and Sleep as Android.
"...i need your data" :D
Can we expect a Withings Scanwatch 2 Review?
Where does the Garmin Instict 2x fit into the graph?
would love to see videos on Morpheus HRM
Honor watch 4 and GS Pro review please! 🙏
Still happy with my Huawei GT Runner. Especially the battery endurance. It lasts for 2 weeks.
Happy to hear it! It did quite well in my testing :-)
Is this update with the app or the whoop itself
please review the xiaomi watch 2
Rob, you are promoting them better than numerous paid athletes wearing the device under contract :)
Haha, not promoting per se, just showing my results. Since I use it myself I have quite a lot of data for it :-)
Does the new heart rate algorithm involve a higher sampling rate by the Whoop?
Rob, did you manually start the activities through the Whoop app? Or were these auto detected activities?
Almost all manual
Good to see that Whoop improved the algorithm.
I've been using the Whoop strap for 3 years and love it. I also wear an Apple Watch when awake, but since it needs to be charged at night, I can't use it as a sleep tracker. Additionally, extracting health data from the Apple ecosystem is very difficult, and for this reason Apple will never by my primary tracker.
I tried the Oura ring, but it was uncomfortable. After a month, I took it off and never put it back on.
The Whoop, however, stays on 24/7, except when I shower and need to wash the area. I also switch wrists at night to signal to my subconscious that it's time to sleep.
Happy to hear you like it👍
ultrahuman air review pls
please do scientific review of redmi watch 4
sir , please review xiaomi watch 2 pro
No OH1+ in tests ?
I noticed that the current algorithm is better at activity and sleep detection, but it still struggles with naps.
how important is that for whoop? doing a bike session i would never get the idea not to use a heartstrap monitor.
Please, review the One Plus Watch 2
Please review sleep tracking of apple watch, running watch OS 11
i’m using watchOS 11 beta 1 and i confess that new vitals screen is very good and useful . but i’m really surprised to see that now finally it records naps too!!
@@alessandrov.7569 Thanks. Do u know i don't have apple watch. I m not buying apple watch because they don't track automatically sleep and nap
Now this is the best news for me
Please make confirm for me. And let me know
Please review amazfit Active
Ultra human ring review please
I understand that you need comparable data, but Whoop is not in the same category as an Apple Watch. Designation for specific sub-types of activity trackers need to be made more evident to show like-kind comparison.
Am I being paranoid? I have it but haven’t been wearing it because someone showed online it emitted more EMF radiation than any other fitness tracker. Do you think it’s safe from a scientific perspective?
Kudos to Whoop for investing the time, effort, and resources to substantially improve the accuracy of a product for which they will reap no immediate reward. That's outstanding.
We are paying a premium price every year/month so I don't see any thing special about them improving their product. That's how it should be.
@@karlo5331 Most companies don't do that, though. They often reserve major improvements for new product buyers only. This significant improvement in heart rate accuracy being provided to all of us is commendable corporate behavior.
Quick question - how do you export Whoop exercise HR into a csv?
I don't get a CSV. I connect it to strava and download .FIT or .TCX files
@@TheQuantifiedScientist super helpful! Running my own R^2 analysis :) thank you
Let’s not forget Apple did something similar when they activated their machine learning functionalities with an iOS/watchOS update years ago
Can you test smart watches calories burnt count in exercise vs Sports lab calorie count equipment? Like what shervin shares did, That would be great
They are all inaccurate.
@@Snowmans.Cradle ofcourse they are not as accurate as laboratory equipment, but if we run some tests on apple and huawei watches we might find the margin error small, for ecample if it's under estimating calorie expenditure by 40- calories, it would be quite acceptable for many people looking to lose weight.
Watch the video of Shervin shares comparing smart watchs to sport lab machines when measuring how many calories burned during specific exercise.
He will get kickbacks from your monthly subscription each month.
Their revenue model is why UA-camrs push it so hard.
Be wary of any review that has an affiliate link.
When is the Whoop Strap 5.0 getting released?
No idea... I suspect it might be a while, but no basis for that feeling
@@TheQuantifiedScientist thank you!
Hallo Rob
Ich folge dir nun schon sehr lange und kaufe mir die Gadgets immer nach deinen Vorschlägen… top Job und vielen Dank für deine Arbeit!!!
Nun habe ich schon seit einem halben Jahr die Apple Watch Ultra 2 und verwende diese 24/7 zum tracken meiner Werte. Nun möchte ich ein weiteres Gadget um das maximale herauszuholen. (Da z.b die Apple Watch nur sporadisch die Herzfrequenz aufnimmt). In deinem Video von letztem Jahr hast du eine Kombination von Apple Watch Ultra und dem Aura Ring vorgeschlagen. Ist dies für dich immernoch die Beste Kombination oder ist der Whoop (Oder etwas anderes) besser?
Und weisst du wie gut die Synchronisierung der Daten auf dem Apple Health geht, da z.B Heartrate von beiden Devices getrackt wird?
Vielen Dank für deine Zeit und einen schönen Tag, falls du das hier lensen solltest.
Where is sleeep?((
Rob, you know what many are thinking after watching this video..." yeah that's great the Whoop really needed an update...but hey MY watch has received many updates since you reviewed it, can you check my watch too?". Unfortunately, there are not enough hours in the day and there's only one Rob...so we can only imagine, how much better via updates our watches "might be" since they were first reviewed.
For sure some watches might be better/worse. Unfortunately I can only do a limited number of tests. WHOOP is something I use myself, so I happen to have the data available to make this video :-)
@@TheQuantifiedScientist For sure Rob...keep up the great work!
One plus watch 2 quantiend
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One plus watch 2
OnePlus watch 2 man??? It's a big delay on it, you promised also, plz don't disappoint
i also wait for that. now the one plus watch 3 is even already mentioned, not that it is coming soon, but if we need to wait much longer, at some point he can already start preordering the one plus watch 3 instead :P
AW + Bevel
Cool! I will check it out
So basically if Polar algo is erroneous, all reviews / ratings to be considered as incorrect?
I have some reasons to infer the Polar algo is good, but in principle yes. But the same is true for any other standard out there
Rob may have forgotten his promise about the full review of Huawei Band 9
Of course. Not forgotten, but I took a little break from videos (and don't just want to make Huawei content)
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Thanks Rob... Kindly keep your promise regarding a complete review of Band 9. I think your first video about band 9 was a little unfair because there was no data from the left band 9, but then you drawn the conclusion that band 9 is not good. TruSeen 5.5 of Huawei Band 9 already uses a multi-channel module (band 8 uses a single module), then why the results was not good as or even better than band 8? it's a very big question in my head right now
on the biceps is more accurate than the wrist, but isn't the whoop body better? (short, underwear) perhaps where there is the least movement
I had some plans for testing this at some point, but it didn't work out yet for a video
@@TheQuantifiedScientist I did a test where I had a whoop on my wrist during jumping jack HIIT, and a whoop body (underwear) during other times. In both cases the control was polar h10. When using whoop body it measured almost the same as polar h10.
Hey Rob do you live in Vienna? We are currently on vacation at Vienna and I swear I saw you at Schonttentor station yesterday - too star struck to say hi but I was certain it was you!
Hi! Haha, I did come past there yesterday (but on/with my bike)
@@TheQuantifiedScientist so that was you! I will make sure to say hi next time!
Too bad about the $25+ per month fee which kills it for most people
Yeah, it's not cheap. Not sure what it is when you buy the 2-year plan, but still 15+ dollars per month I suspect
Very cool; overly flat HRs were one of my question marks about the device. Makes me feel like the subscription model is worth it when the company continues to make meaningful improvements without an additional transaction.
To feel like that there should not be other companies that patch their products without pay-or-get-a-brick models. But Polar, Apple and iirc Garmin are still here.
what's that mask thing
ultra human air and Ring CONG is the only 2 devices i want you review yeh avoid the best 2 rings wtf
Best Austrian UA-cam channel
Wirklich spannend zu sehen wie sich das Band weiterentwickelt. Gleiches konnte man man Schlaftracking und dem Oura Ring sehen.
Genau, Martin, der Oura-Ring hat sich ebenfalls verbessert.
One plus watch 2 quanfiend
Ronaldo joined whoop. Maybe some of his Money went into This Upgrade 😅😂
Haha, I guess it's unrelated ;-)
I don't trust what is said in this video because he is paid for referrals to Whoop.
Well, that's your right to do.
But at your place,I wouldn't loose my time watching videos of something you consider as commercial or not honest video.
I am 100% sure there's something better you've could do then watch and write a comment on a video you don't believe at.
If apple watch is best in all departments than why u still using whoop for sleep tracking
Some people don't want to support Apple.
Apple has the best accuracy. But presenting the data is awful. I use both.
Why would u buy an apple watch? To charge it every 2 days
@@vitinha023 I don't care about charging. And i need best accuracy and features
If u care about charging only, buy such watch which has more than one month battery timing and will be available in market in less price but i don't need only timing and less accurate sensors
@@vladimirbardyuzha2071 i need accuracy
To sum up: AppleWatch is still more accurate in practically every aspect. Whoop just presents the data gathered in a more efficient/ user friendly way?
I will add that it is harder to get your data out of the Apple ecosystem, and it is Whoop data. I wear both the Apple watch (during the day) and a Whoop strap (24/7), but cannot make Apple my primary since the data from the watch is so difficult to export. (Apple owns your data, and you cannot leave).
Yes, Apple Watch is more accurate. Whoop has better battery and data visualisation
@@TheQuantifiedScientist thank you! I don't know how difficult it is to include this in your channel, but I would love to see a comparison of smartwatches for the accurate calculation of calories burned.
Apple destroys every single one out there sadly. Everyone else haven't cracked the algorithm so far.
So whoop is still worse than appleWatch regarding sleep tracking? Sad...
For me AW sleep tracking doesn't work well - I always have between 0 and 10 minutes of deep sleep no matter what.
Still not worth it. Inferior to Apple Watch in every way.