This is why Ben hogan lines the ball up off his front foot for longer clubs with a closed stance and towards the middle of his body for shorter clubs with an open stance. Google his ball position drawing.
I have worked hard on Moe Normans concepts. There is no divot with any club and the club face is perpendicular to the path well beyond impact. This happens as a function of the set up, grip and firing sequence! I am 62, hit the ball solid, straight and standard club distance. To move the ball the setup is altered slightly relative to swing path, slightly closed to draw the ball, open for a fade. The grip remains the same! I learned the most while taking chemo for cancer. I had not strength this forced me to understand Moe's setup and firing sequence. The conventional swing just had too many moving parts. With luck I will have many years for great striking ahead of me! Knowledge is King!
Garth Downton moves swing worked for now because that’s what he practices doing, hitting millions of balls it’s not going to work very well for others even he said that.
Have always wondered as well why the pros divots go a good amount left! Makes total sense and I will start aiming my wedges and higher lofted irons more left!
i just learned this today at 6am...the lean of the shaft has a skewed plane to it...i noticed i wasnt aiming enough left for that lean...and then also for the fade. To hit a straight path fade that fades left and then to the pin...you got to aim pretty darn far left with your body. shawn how do you aim now with this concept?
xNIKEGOLFx you don’t aim left the club exits left, just set up square to target take your address now leave leave the club head on the ground, now rotate your shoulders, what does the club do ? It goes left. Your hands do what your shoulders do so as long as youre swinging free and not trying to control with the hands it should happen naturally, the club is only square for a fraction of a second problem is people swing with there hands trying to control the clubface. Practice with you pitching wedge, half swings just using your shoulders you’ll notice the club goes left immediately after impact but the ball goes straight no need to try and hold the face square done the line. Once you know what’s going on through impact then you can start playing around with your set up, and ball positions to control ball flight. Just watch Tiger he will even swing left on his practice swings quite often to get the feel and remind himself of where the club should be going
Sean, you need to seriously study the effect of the the two directions of the bowing shaft of an iron at impact (targetward and downward), the club face relative to that set of shaft conditions pre-impact and the resulting forward "kick" of the shaft when the head strikes the ground...when you do study that you might understand why the D Plane "theory" is so flawed...it will also explain why those 21 golfers hit the shots you observed
@norrispg- There is no "kicking forward" of the shaft in a dynamic swing. It's a flawed idea that came from videos shot by cheap high speed cameras that showed a comical forward bend prior to impact. You NEVER see it in The Konica Minolta Swing Vision Camera. There would be no way any human could consistently time the kick. But...even if it was real , that wouldn't negate the D-Plane "theory" because it has the science of doppler radar backing it (Trackman) for almost 2 decades now. Trackman and the D-Plane clearly understand why 21 divots went left. The ball only responds to the forces imparted to it. It doesn't care how they arrived. Through a kicking forward shaft or a steel toed boot. Either way, the D-Plane explains the balls reaction. Pros compress the ball and we all know what sounds like. They are able to do this because they know how to stress a shaft. If a shaft kicks forward prior to impact it would become unstressed and turn into a wet noodle , absorbing energy instead of transferring it.
Guys shut the front door and quit googling this shit you will never get better... Have knowledge of the fundamentals of a good swing and then just go hit balls. Its all just muscle memory and conisistent practice.. You want a good swing? Then your going to have to hit buckets and buckets and buckets..
"The path is moving perpendicular to the target line at impact..." If you want to attempt a scientific based explanation of things maybe it would be easier for your students to understand if you used the correct terminology. In order to hit the ball dead straight the path need to be PARALLEL to the target line at impact. It is the club face that need to be perpendicular to the target line!
This is absolute genius and will greatly improve your ball striking if you get and apply it.
Never heard this explained this way before. Good Job Sean.
This is the best explanation of something I noticed with better players but did not understand why!
so good - HUGE THANK YOU
This is really good, best visual I've seen on the topic.
Excellent 👍!!
This is why Ben hogan lines the ball up off his front foot for longer clubs with a closed stance and towards the middle of his body for shorter clubs with an open stance. Google his ball position drawing.
Yep, he figured this all out 60 years ago.
Well he keeps the ball the same distance from his lead foot, which makes it more of a middle position when using narrower stance.
The hoop behind him, on an incline plane, would explain this too. The hoop being the swing path.
I have worked hard on Moe Normans concepts. There is no divot with any club and the club face is perpendicular to the path well beyond impact. This happens as a function of the set up, grip and firing sequence! I am 62, hit the ball solid, straight and standard club distance. To move the ball the setup is altered slightly relative to swing path, slightly closed to draw the ball, open for a fade. The grip remains the same! I learned the most while taking chemo for cancer. I had not strength this forced me to understand Moe's setup and firing sequence. The conventional swing just had too many moving parts. With luck I will have many years for great striking ahead of me! Knowledge is King!
Garth Downton moves swing worked for now because that’s what he practices doing, hitting millions of balls it’s not going to work very well for others even he said that.
well done!
Have always wondered as well why the pros divots go a good amount left! Makes total sense and I will start aiming my wedges and higher lofted irons more left!
...and soon you'll be a pro just like them!
So clearly the D-plane is the plane on which Tiger was divested of all his money and hopes of future wins by Foleys' instruction.
i just learned this today at 6am...the lean of the shaft has a skewed plane to it...i noticed i wasnt aiming enough left for that lean...and then also for the fade. To hit a straight path fade that fades left and then to the pin...you got to aim pretty darn far left with your body. shawn how do you aim now with this concept?
You don’t aim left the path of the club goes left when aimed straight
so anything off the ground we need to aim a bit left correct?
xNIKEGOLFx you don’t aim left the club exits left, just set up square to target take your address now leave leave the club head on the ground, now rotate your shoulders, what does the club do ? It goes left. Your hands do what your shoulders do so as long as youre swinging free and not trying to control with the hands it should happen naturally, the club is only square for a fraction of a second problem is people swing with there hands trying to control the clubface. Practice with you pitching wedge, half swings just using your shoulders you’ll notice the club goes left immediately after impact but the ball goes straight no need to try and hold the face square done the line. Once you know what’s going on through impact then you can start playing around with your set up, and ball positions to control ball flight. Just watch Tiger he will even swing left on his practice swings quite often to get the feel and remind himself of where the club should be going
Sean, maybe those PGA pros do not think about all these well-explained science. They just hit it with their talents and adjust accordingly?
great explanation . but add also the ball has GONE BEFORE THE DIVOT IS TAKEN
Am i the only person in the entire golf World who can see the MassivE contradiction?
If you were a ninja in a ninja brawl u would be the first ninja killed!
Got it. Now let's see some hulahoop action.
People don't really know what Sean is talking about. Check out Efil golf Ep. 110
Sean, you need to seriously study the effect of the the two directions of the bowing shaft of an iron at impact (targetward and downward), the club face relative to that set of shaft conditions pre-impact and the resulting forward "kick" of the shaft when the head strikes the ground...when you do study that you might understand why the D Plane "theory" is so flawed...it will also explain why those 21 golfers hit the shots you observed
norrispg can you plz explain?
@norrispg- There is no "kicking forward" of the shaft in a dynamic swing. It's a flawed idea that came from videos shot by cheap high speed cameras that showed a comical forward bend prior to impact. You NEVER see it in The Konica Minolta Swing Vision Camera.
There would be no way any human could consistently time the kick. But...even if it was real , that wouldn't negate the D-Plane "theory" because it has the science of doppler radar backing it (Trackman) for almost 2 decades now.
Trackman and the D-Plane clearly understand why 21 divots went left.
The ball only responds to the forces imparted to it. It doesn't care how they arrived. Through a kicking forward shaft or a steel toed boot. Either way, the D-Plane explains the balls reaction.
Pros compress the ball and we all know what sounds like. They are able to do this because they know how to stress a shaft. If a shaft kicks forward prior to impact it would become unstressed and turn into a wet noodle , absorbing energy instead of transferring it.
Guys shut the front door and quit googling this shit you will never get better... Have knowledge of the fundamentals of a good swing and then just go hit balls. Its all just muscle memory and conisistent practice.. You want a good swing? Then your going to have to hit buckets and buckets and buckets..
He learned 95% of it from James Leitz
Are you for real?
yes this is 100% correct
A try hard coach who tries to look like a professor!
If he knows so much golf why doesn’t he play for the senior tour.
1. Maybe he prefers teaching?
2.He was born in 1974. That makes him 46 years old in 2020.
Just a tad too young for the 50+ tour.
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This guy plagiarism in all of his teaching.
"The path is moving perpendicular to the target line at impact..."
If you want to attempt a scientific based explanation of things maybe it would be easier for your students to understand if you used the correct terminology.
In order to hit the ball dead straight the path need to be PARALLEL to the target line at impact.
It is the club face that need to be perpendicular to the target line!
we don't play baseball.