What the World's Top Golf Scientist REVEALS about the SWING PLANE can HELP YOUR GAME
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When your doing an interview let your guest finish his thought your interrupting the teaching from the expert!
Kwon is the best. As a scratch golfer, continuously chasing an improved swing I can 100% get behind his philosophy. He is great to listen to and adopting his approach and drills will assist higher handicapers in improving more than any other technical advice they may recieve. Hope to see more videos of Dr Kwon.
This video clicked immediately in my head when he said hold it back and then let it go. Went to the range the next day and was hitting laser iron shots. Tempo is the key with this. Thanks, Dr. Kwon!
The positive correlation between the hand plane and club plane is very interesting. Basically he is saying that a hand plane that is more in to out through impact produces a steeper golf club (hands more over the ball line) and club path (club will work up and not as around). this makes the club deviate more from down the line/neutral plane to more right. This inherently makes sense bcs, just like in the back swing, hands that work more around your body produce a flatter swing and vise versa with hands that work up create a more upright club path (think Justin Thomas). The more your hands work right in the follow through, the more the club is pushed right bcs its further away from the fulcrum point aka ur left shoulder. inches of hand deviation could mean an entire foot or more of club head deviation. It is interesting however that you can still play golf like this, but it will just take more work squaring the face, almost flipping it bcs u need more face rotation. U would be delivering the club in a toe down position with a more open face. That leads to the point that people r trying to fix the follow through wrong by focusing on the club head. This study shows the club head is just an magnified effect, caused by the hand path. So really, u should be focusing on the handpath and the club path will work itself out. The Dr keeps blowing my freaking mind.
Interesting that he focuses on the speed of the backswing and that the transition to the downswing is ONE fluid motion. I believe this is something greatly overlooked in todays modern instruction. Looking forward to the more of the videos with Dr Kwon. Thanks for posting!
He also said that the hand/wrist motion is going to be different then the club path (aka) flicking the wrist to control ball flight
Still the best source on the golf swing ive come across by a mile, started carrying the golf out the back of the range i go to because of it. The pro there said i owe them a lot of golf balls 😂 all thanks to these techniques, thanks again Dr Kwon
One thing I noted is you ask great questions and show your on top of the subject matter. Good job.
Brendon , been a subscriber for awhile. This ( in my opinion) is your best yet. My take from what I could gleen that Dr Kwon was saying is when the hands get outside the club gets stood up as opposed to continuing in an arc. Great content!!
Great discussion. Can’t wait to hear more!
Superspeed drills (with the superspeed golf training aids) are a great way to understand the importance of the fast backswing. I do not work for Superspeed. When you sling the club back as fast as possible you don’t have time for manipulation, and you are forced into a good position just so you don’t fall down.
Dr Kwon is basically describing the D-plane concept. The D-plane concept or theory about clubhead and club shaft alignment prior to and after the clubhead to ball impact zone. This swing theory concept came about back in the mid-2000's. PGA golf instructors taught this concept along with use of Trackman ball impact and flight characteristics.
Alright dude I've been waiting for this series and I'm eating it up...yes!
Nice lesson and swing analysis. I like what this guy was saying.
Each one of these sessions further clarifies teachings. Thanks. Very helpful.
Thanks B. Looking forward to watching more of this.
I think of throwing the clubhead over my shoulder/back slightly left or right of the target on the backswing. Left will result in a fade and right will result in a draw. In order to maintain the swing plane I must accelerate the clubhead in the opposite direction of my backswing target, right or left of the extended target line. It seems to be working for me, I am hitting the ball farther and more consistently.
I wondered, u have so many different golfing lessons, tips, philosophies to choose from, do you take things from them all to help your game or do you have one that you always go back to? Really enjoy your content.
Hi Brendon, Thank you for all the great videos. Really enjoy them.
Peace bro
The best part of this video for me was during the end when he said we need a faster backswing to create an automatic downswing, the rest is gibberish as we can't think about any of it. I use the KISS method of learning.
great stuff, thanks to Dr. Kwon
It’s been a combination of things born out of BBG vids starting with Monte and Tony and Mike M, et al; that validated the Mike Austin method I’ve dedicated myself to for the past five years.
The MA method emphasizes 1/8, 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 shots as fundamentals, positions which full shots must also trace. Dr. Kwon’s description of the critical zone again validates the MA method. About two months of aggressive practice and I find it amazing that I can actually hit incremental 1/8 shots so precisely.
And about the backswing.
TourTempo is one thing I found before a BBG vid and as most will initially react, it’s fast- or seems fast. After over 5 years of shelving TourTempo, I brought it out again after the “flow” videos. I found I had slowed down quite a bit and even the 24/8 tempo (because it’s closest to 60bpm) felt fast. So again as Dr. Kwon noted, backswings are too slow.
Putting it all together for the first time in my 45 years of golf I’m hitting honest 300+ drives and more consistent than I ever thought I could be.
I’ve never been better than a 5; dreams of scratch are alive again.
Thanks for the ride Brendon, been with you since ‘07 but I think I may get off now before you find something that breaks the sculpture of my perception of my ideal swing. I’ve reached my swing goal of being as comfortable and confident as throwing a baseball.
Hogan and Bruce Lee realized eventually that a swing is just a swing and a punch is just a punch; that perfection may be neither necessary, desirable nor advisable.
Maybe it’s time to start playing more golf, reap the rewards of the swing you’ve built... or maybe after all these years, you’ve found that you’re more Leadbetter than Faldo?
PenguinGolf.
It only needs to be functional to be able to win, the question is how do you quell or manage the instinct to explore.
Arnie, Jack nor Tiger ever stopped searching for perfection.
My method to stop striving is to realize that I’ll never make the tour nor ever have a +handicap and to simply enjoy the game and company. Shooting mid to high 70s consistently is good enough for me. Maintaining my swing is my focus but as John Marshall says, the MA swing requires very little maintenance once you get it.
It also helps that I’m 68 and just recently realized that I wasn’t having fun striving for perfection and par or under scores. Lower the better, of course but I’m happy with a 75, mildly upset with 79 and overjoyed with a72. A scratch player will never feel the elation of shooting par.
Having said all that, it’s no easy thing for a golf addict like me to abandon the quest.
Fairways and greens!
PenguinGolf.
Hi Brendon Thank you for all the great videos.
Peace bro
Fantastic content
Muchas gracias
Dr. Kwon. Por compartir tus conocimientos me cambio mi forma de pensar en la enseñanza.
Brillantes ejercicios y progresivos.
Si se puede por favor subtítulos en español.
Gracias Dr.
Wow, super interesting. Everytime I watch a video like this that creates a spark, I can't wait to go home to my simulator to play around. The one outlier to Dr. Kwon's backswing theory would be Morikawa....but then again you have Kyle Berkshire on the other side! It's also good news that my ugly backswing is okay (and learn to accept it) if my functional swing plane is decent (at least that's what Doo said of my swing at GP Labs when we were goofing off last year)
U need stronger BRAKES in the second part of your backswing. Initial FORCE but then equally forceful BRAKES to turn it around to downswing
@@BEBETTERGOLF Yeah, I agree. My only fear would be injury if I was too forceful with the brakes. 50 yrs old is no joke! :)
Hi, thanks again for sharing your journey, bro. May I ask what is the name of wearable device you have on your left wrist?
So good!!!
Brendon. How about the variable of the forearms which affects the face opening/closure rate ?? Much of this seems path dominant versus face control. Have really enjoyed the series.
Its funny how other things you do have similar relationships between slow action and fast action. When I fly FPV drones I get smoother motion when moving in a fast driven way. Things get locked in and smooth out. Its really fascinating how movement with regards to smoothness and speed happen throughout our daily lives. The Gold from this video is the backswing needs to speed up, smooth out, and get locked in.
Buzzing for this
Little confused on the hand plane statement. Is this referring to radial ulnar deviation being in line the left arm on the downswing and then after then closer to P8 the hands are in line with the right arm. I assume this debunks extension and flexion in the right wrist. Any thoughts?
In the maintenance of the downswing plane, you must have the proper backswing speed to tend to guide it. In other words, set the pendulum weight of the head of the club on the proper plane going back, it will tend to remain on that plane going forward.
Momentum
it would be cool to explore how path and plane can affect face control
Brandon. It would be extremely interesting to here Dr. Kwon's thoughts on how the hands, arms and body are used to properly load the shaft and how the loading of the shaft relates to the functional swing plane and target line. Shafts are designed to store energy but how do we need to handle the club in order to store maximum energy for a given shaft or any shaft for that matter.
Ok. He got into that a bit when we asked him about getting a lag impact. To him it is connected to landing on your lead side before you rotate. Also he is huge on not letting the elbow getting stuck behind you.
Excellent
What I got from the clustering comments is that the further the hands move from inside out, the steeper the club shaft is; vice versa, the further the hands move from outside in, the shallower the club shaft is. Not sure, that might be the gap he is talking about, but haven't looked up the to-be-published paper to confirm yet.
I love the simplicity of what Dr. Kwon is teaching. (Instead of the squat and shallow then turn), Do a body turn (not arm swing), led by the hips, and leave the left arm connected with the chest, somewhere around impact THEN let the lead arm fly off the chest! Very simple and doable! Thank you!
@P SMITH Good point. I took liberties there. In my head I try to keep the feel of it staying on my chest through impact, but it cannot. I really need it only to stay there a little longer than it does.
Sounds to me like he’s answering the question; what hand path creates the least deviation between hands and club head around the impact zone: neutral. Over the top creates more deviation on down swing and it tightens up in follow thru. Too much inside is tighter downswing and more deviation in follow thru. Neutral allows that tightness to happen at and around impact.
I clink some links in description for stuff you use. I’m looking for a camera to film my swing. Currently using my iPhone but it’s hit and miss, think a higher frame rate would be better. The links for your cannon is no longer available. Any suggestions?
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@@BEBETTERGOLF wow, that's inexpensive, and it can capture impact and all the positions. I just started following you, very interesting stuff. I'm going to do the drills you showed in another video everyday.
Do I have this right? The swing plane is the line between the hands and the club head. If your hands drop quickly from the top it flattens the plane. If the hands stay high and away from the body it steepens the plane. Do you know if there have been any studies done to determine best swing planes and starting positions based on height and body type?
The more I watch Dr. Kwon, the more I see a tremendous emphasis on his left shoulder being almost the captain of the ship. I appreciate the hip separation/rotation, etc. but the biggest transition in my effort to replicate his drill is my left shoulder providing the angles/tilt that are fundamental to the ensuing sequence. Just my take....
This is next level information, B. Can’t beat an academic finding the truth.
Again, Brendon, you are like a dog with a bone, never going to give it up and always pushing the envelope, love your tenacity, always asking, how, why, where and when, brilliant.
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I would say he’s much closer to being on a journey of being the highest handicapped player with the most golf swing knowledge ever! He keeps on this journey and not only does it hurt him hearing something different every week but it hurts all you weekend warriors also! If you watch this for entertainment and for finding little things that could help good for you! In 2 years I’ll be able to beat Brendon left handed
@@benmartinez8995 I don't think you will achieve this goal, I think Brendan is on another level....
@@benmartinez8995 he’s fascinated by and shares golf technical knowledge. If you want to lower your score but keep an ugly swing go on and follow people showing you how to break certain scores. But your swing will always limit your ability to break lower and lower scores.
Mike Austin or Bust Has all been said. but Dr. Kwon understands and stating what Austin has said . Hopefully those watching will catch on .
I think people's egos don't want to recognize this? 🤷♂️ everyone want to make love to a pug instead of around, down, up.
@@paulkiat Paul, you are correct , egos, and Idols are and have been the biggest issues with everything in this World . There is nothing new , all has been said long ago. Golfers just continue to fall to hoping the golf swing just comes to them over night . That is why Austin always said you have to train what he said, million times over . Nerves are like wild animals. Keep at it until you can let go and become automatic. Some take longer than others. Like I said if Dr. Kwon resonates with watchers great . You can't keep fishing .
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Never taught how to drink.
Always lead to the lake.
Down + Around for the Novices.
(Brain)
Neuromuscular Junction for the Intermediates.
(Brain + Body)
MyoFascia stretch repatterning for the Pros. (Body)
1) Read It -> (2 Roll It -> (3) Hole It.
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Dr. Kwon makes sense...
It's a pity Homer Kelley's Golfing Machine is such a challenging read to most golfers. Extensor action, the flying wedges and "magic of the right forearm" are nuggets that are now being supported by high tec research into what keeps the whole club on plane. Concentrate on swinging the hands as they determine where the club head goes.
Where can i read the new research
What is the stick that the instructor is holding?
I think he just scientifically proved Mike Malaska's videos. :)
Agree ! I think he is saying hands inwards but clubhead outwards through impact area ?
God watching Malaska’s videos screwed my swing up.
So it sounds like a faster backswing is emphasized in this video? How do you explain Jack Nicklaus’ and Tiger Woods’ slow deliberate backswings?
Count the frames. They were Both 24 frames back. Which is a little over 3/4 of a second for a backswing. It looks super smooth so it looks low but it’s not
What is his thoughts on a single plane swing?
*2021 are we really going down this rabbit hole...D-Plane is what he is describing I agree with you Steve Glica, DOCF commandments how you get into your swing is how you get out...Brandon, dial in this specific forearm condition your results equal plane under control I'm still here in Whitter whenever you decide on the red pill.*
Is Brandon the only one invited to take the red pill 😅?
Which forearm condition?
Cam 'on Dr. KWAN.
I think that only a proper speed of backswing can maintain a good downswing plane. I don't agree with Dr. saying
that the faster the better. See what Colin Morikawa does.
Morikawa is an exception to the rule. Check out Tour Tempo. The ratio for most golfers, including pros is 3 backswing, and one downswing.
I don't seem to be able to add the video to the cart on your website
Email me contactbebettergolf@gmail.com and we’ll do it direct. Thx
@@BEBETTERGOLF Wasn't working on Mobile, but I got it to work on Desktop mode.
Brendon, at last someone who talks sense. So much rubbish talked about planes by pros who draw lines on videos with the camera and target clearly not in the plane! I commented in earlier videos that the only plane is from about P6 to P8. I agree with Dr Kwon that, for most, a neutral swing plane is best, I dislike this idea of the hands following through round the hips. Allow the club to swing freely into the follow through, the feeling is through and up though, as the shoulders turn this will follow a neutral plane, close to the P6-P8 plane.
Just ordered the raw footage. Payment received but then how do you access?
Emailed u
@@BEBETTERGOLF Got it watching it now really good
Brandon! You are killing me! Rather than say “Hmmm-hmmm” and “okay” and “yeah” as he is explaining the hand motion plane and club plane deviation and the like, ASK him what the heck he is talking about! Have him dumb it down, not just for you, but for all of us, too! You are just kind of nodding along like you get it, so Dr. Kwon does not feel the need to break it down and further explain. It’s okay to say, “Look, I don’t understand what the heck you are talking about here. Could you break it down more for me?” That would help us, too! Anyway, thanks for taking the time to do this. Love your passion for the game and trying to deconstruct the holy grail golf swing.
It didn’t make sense till he went over Kennedy’s 3D plane analysis. Basically swinging to first base makes the hand plane drop steep then hand and plane start together but at exit (after impact) the hands and club are going on really different trajectories.
For swinging towards 3rd base the hand plane is LESS steep and in the initial downswing the club and hand plane trajectories are really far apart but after impact they come together.
Neutral swing plane gets the hands and club trajectory working together for the longest time AND from a motor control standpoint making sure the hands are on plane makes everything else fall together
From his point of view a forceful and strong backswing and a body led swing is the best way to do that. Step drills is how to learn it.
@@BEBETTERGOLF If I am getting this right in my head it sounds very much like the player uses hand plane to manage the relationship of the torque used to square the club vs the linear force to the ball of the club, i.e. if you send your hands in to out you are delaying the application of the squaring torque however this leads to more deviation at impact as the application of torque has a more significance/variance on the momentum of the club head versus if your send your hands out to in you use up your torque early leaving you with only linear forces. If I have this right Brendan would it be fair to hypothesise that an in to out motion generates more speed than a out to in motion and that a an out to in path produces more consistent face dynamics, which might explain why the PGA tour big hitters want a fade bias and the short players want to use a draw bias.
@@BEBETTERGOLF so swing to 2nd base?
this guy is great. I wonder what he would think of Moe Norman who0came back under the plane but then let the hands rise perfectly on plane and so he came down perfectly on plane
The Little Pro, Eddie Merrins has always said: "Swing the Handle"!
Headhake for me..!
Brandon, the speed of the backswing is (SOLELY?) to simplify and align it for the forward swing? So if we can do that other ways, such as training, we're good? In the '70s the Nautilus weight training guys used to talk about the "pre-stretch" of the muscles and say that dropping the weight a little at the bottom of the bench press stroke turned on the reaction to contract, making the push more forceful. I wonder if Dr. Kwon is thinking about this pre-stretch at the top of backswing, or if he is purely concerned with arriving at the position?
Strong initial force demands a strong braking force is he said
It’s very easy to understand what he’s saying, if you look at tiger woods, his hand plane is the same on the back swing and down swing. Therefor giving the club head the perfect path.
Point well taken, physics well explained, it got to be by the "Golf Swing Scientist Dr. Kwon", yet may I suggest that like any other golf training/coaching vedio it need to be supported by some propose drills for one fluid motion and speed of the back swing and the transition.
Stay tuned. He has those
Please tell Hideki Matsuyama how he needs to change his back swing.
Does he do online analysis?
colin morikawa has left the chat 10:25
A lot of UA-cam’s are really making the swing impossible for us regular golfers. Why does the golf swing have to be so complicated as non of us mortals have the time to practice and hit countless balls a week! I don’t know who this guy teaches but all it is is have a neutral grip swing the club on plane back and through using the body to swing the arms. Two turns and a swish that’s all it is. Just get the shaft on plane by pointing the butt end at the target line throughout the swing and swing the club , whatever you do keep moving your feet back and forth before you swing the club back to create flow and do not freeze over the ball whatever you do
Like Lee Travino says, it's all in the hands.
Mike Austin from decades ago ?
Let him talk dude
Most people find golf a difficult game but calling it a science is stretching things a bit.
He is saying when you swing at the target instead of making the ball the target your swing plane will be correct.
I think you might have ADD lol. Just listen to the guy, stop moving around asking him for the stick…my gosh bro.
Paralysis by analysis
Still struggle with the term plane in a golf swing, always thought path was better way of describing a motion, especially when talking about a single point in space like the sweet spot or hands. To me a plane has to have 3 connected points to be defined, so for example the sweet spot, wrist and elbow and in that case the plane would be rotating into impact.
You are correct, the "plane" is not completely flat so it is not a plane. However, it is near enough for teaching purposes from club horizontal to club horizontal as Dr Kwon explains. Importantly, for a straight shot, the plane also includes a fourth point, the target and, to view it correctly, the camera. Many teaching pros do not understand this.
@@oldprogolf7292 Well, the target would have to do with setup/alignment, so it's not really necessary to talk about in regards to swing planes. You're right about the camera (except in the rare cases they have 3d computer rendering tech to compensate).
Just sit down and let the dude talk! Holy crap!
If the hand plane was the same (example swings 1 & 2) but the shoulder plane came down on the outside on swing 2 then the hand plane would not 'fix' the result of the ball strike. Also, I wish Brendon would let the people finish their answers. You interrupt too many times and they never finish what they're saying. Sorry, but it gets a bit annoying.
The weight and movement of the moving club head control the so called hand plane. The intricacies of the hand plane as the good doctor is describing we need not ever think about in our golf swing. Period! Cheers
"It stands to reason the balanced grip most approximates the way in which your hands fall naturally. The back of the left hand or wrist faces the target."
"Let your weight go from your left foot to your right foot. Your hands move along with the weight shift. They move in a pure path. You don't have to put them anywhere. They went along for the ride. I believe in playing golf through the feet. Footwork is the voluntary action that initiates the motion." George Knudson - The Nature Swing 1988
You should really hit up Colin McCarthy golf
He is saying the hand plane changes have a ratio effect that has a greater effect on the club head by a significant percentage
Both positive and negative outsized effects, depends on if you got the skills to sync it up
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Iv solved the golf swing. The entire golf world will have to convert to my new model. The entire golf world WILL have to convert to my model. My theory supersedes all. I will be the most sought after golf instruction.
So you keep saying
okay i got to have that golf baseball bat..where is it sold?
Hard to find in USA, it is called AZAS golf bat
The statement that impact is all that matters p””s me off, it’s like saying finishing first past the 100m Line is all that matters , of course it is but it’s a dishonest statement. There’s the part that you need to work on that gets you to end result that’s the important bit
Talk about paralysis through analysis
Shut up and let the man talk. We'll get it.
Dr. Kwon looks board talking to dude 🤷♂️
Golf is a game of EXTERNAL not INTERNAL focus.
I bet "the World's Top Golf Scientist" can't break 90.
Bet you he could beat you out a bunker lol
Paid for premium, how do you see it.
Lost me. Zen golf mechanics is the place for you! He maybe the best swing analyzer in the entire universe but if we can’t get the message booyah! Sorry but Im getting off of his bus!
Your information will only be complete when you finally learn tangent plane geometry. Single plane geometry is scientifically incomplete.
What does that mean in a golf context?
Makes perfect sense. Hogan called it "skipping a rock." To skip a rock you wouldn't throw your hands out to the right. If your hands are on the correct plane, the rock will skip, if not it doesn't.
Yes. I think Hogan talked about swinging ' level left ' ?
I hope you didn't pay this guy money.
Too confusing
Simplest != Most Efficient, if you don't want to practice your hand eye coordination well best of luck trying to BE BETTER with mediocrity!
He talk to he needs to listen and stop acting like he knows: he needs to humble himself