I don't think iron is a bad raider but in those streams he could've made better decisions 😹 and for everyone saying he lost against a premade, everyone loses against a premade with a build specifically made to counter a raider you picked. The point of the premade stuff was to just highlight baby's weakness but tbh he blew it out of proportion saying baby's other lvls aren't that good
People need to wake up and stop being delusional by thinking they’ll win at everything they get themselves into. Because life will eventually humble you of that fact one way or another.
If you want to see Breakers at it's worst, main the Ginyu Force. Recoome doesn't even have the AOE at the end of his Eraser Gun, the only raider that didn't get buffs in the Patch 😭
Ginyu Force really fell. The whole reason they were the best Raider for a long time, their guaranteed path to lvl 4, has now become their greatest weakness: what people now keep doing is launching a reckless attack on a member that against any other Raider would lead to half the team dying, but the Ginyus get forced in an evolution cutscene so everyone uses that to escape, rinse and repeat.
2:54 I think alot of people are only being put against low levels or something or they play EVERYTHING safe and it strokes their ego when other people call out Baby’s flaws 3:36 This is why I think it’s unfair that we can see who the Raider is in the loading screen
I feel like it would definitely be better if you couldn't see the raider. Then, you see the raider after you and your teammates have readied up, and their build is finalized. This could help with builds that survivors switch into with a specific raider to counter with it.
Agree we shouldn't see the raider until its too late or at least let raiders see everyones full build and whether they are grouped up. This way we can decide between the raider we want to play or the one we need to pick if we want a real shot at winning against some sweat lords.
IronFacts. you're right 200% i think people think baby is better because hes so frustrating to play against. its easy to die in a corny way and be like "nah hes broken" but ive died seconds into a game and still won. it just gets people so frustrated sometimes that they just give up. especially since babies love to camp.
Another thing to point out when it comes to Vegeta, they reduced the time it takes to despawn from Saibamen to Nappa. Used to be 3 minutes, now it’s 2 minutes. Pretty much makes the killing a survivor method a bit less risky. Also, now if you max upgrade “call nappa” active skill, it reduces from 18 seconds to 12 seconds
people need to keep in mind that because baby has the most atrocious level 1 to exist in the game and it will be buffed, and when it does baby will become a really dangerous raider because of how fast he can snowball and dominate a match. the biggest weakness baby has is the terrible level 1 which won't be a thing forever, he has a really good kit like being able to prevent people from getting a lot of d change, and punishing those who do go for civs, and his minions are good for a few reason. 1. they can be used like frieza and just scout where people are. 2. since they use the survivor supers they are really good at sniping someone like a shenron. people aren't realizing how strong baby will become once his only real weakness which is his level 1 is fixed, and people who know civ spawns are gonna find it easy to dominate a match.
I had a game as baby against a really coordinated group of survivors and i lost hard, had to auto evolve out of lvl 1 due to not being able to find civilians or people and by that point they found most of the keys and once stm was out, i was jumped by everyone (with quite a few level 3s i think) with nothing i could do. Alls whilst they started summoning shenron... Now did i play perfectly that match, no! Im not the best player in the world (started playing when it became available for ps plus at the start of season 4) but even so i can see the issues with him like you laid out. Also baby > goku black? Goku black has an auto evolve level 1, ki detection at all levels, great ki blasts, an IT option out to zamazu, a dash and most importantly against premades: no dragon balls and no transphere until level 3. What does baby have? One less ability (servants) no detection (besides i guess civs but smart survivors would just avoid them or rescue them when baby is on the other side of the map), the potential to be jumped by a level 4 and the only escape they have is their dash, instant descent or area destruction which all killers have (except broly for the latter)
Baby is a Snowball character Definitely. But blaming it on the Level 1 isn't exactly fair cause it's clear he's meant to be more Stealthy than the other raiders. They showed off Baby Raiders in the Trailer blending in instead of bumrushing out to a survivor. Yeah he can't be injured but he also, can't fly, Can't Shoot Ki Attacks, can't do anything until level 2. Level 1 is meant to be Different because he turns civilians into Enemy's. Stealthy. Grow your army then hop around. Not saying that's how you're Supposed to play baby but it's clear he's meant to play Differently. As for the Servants that's just Resource management. I've seen baby raiders save the servants til the very end and win because he sent out 3-5 Different servants. Yes you have to GET them actively but you gotta be smart with how you use them.
You don’t even need nimbus or Ship to avoid Baby. Bulma’s bike is faster than Baby. Pair it with Launch’s Vehicle passive and/Vehicle Speed Passive for extra use. If you don’t want to use that, Smokescreen prevents Baby from infecting you, giving you time to grapple away. Use mobility skills like Double Jump and Wall Kick to prevent him from catching you. There’s too many options that Level 1 Baby simply cannot deal with.
22:42. I whis I could have premades like that soo easily. Still waiting to revenge Ironcane for what the premades did to him. Please Iron, let me face them, even if I lose, I'll promise to give a good show.
Here's how we buff baby. Find a way to make it so survivors don't see the cutscenes. Give lvl 1 baby videl ki blasts and shorten his auto-evolve timer to match saibaman.
Man I can't wait for Ranked and suddenly somehow Survivors Only works again and we see almost nothing but premades in Ranked cause it would be these same Premade that are gonna kill them before they can even reach LV2!?
You win some you lose some. Fucker is still op, just people complain that now they know how to counter it with nimbus cloud and such , just know he renders the majority of d cubes from civilians useless and also they can grab you for a while snitching you out. He evolves hella fast too and has his servants.
@@ChrisRedfield204 Not to mention… when he downs you… HE TAKES 1 of your abilities. In addition, you have to wait at the ENDGAME to get the Divine Holy Water to get your ability back…
I’ve still been having a blast with Baby; I’ve had a couple of games where I was stuck in Lv 1 for a while (3 minutes at most), but setting up all those civs around the STM and playing mind games with people is a blast!
The best fix for Baby would be for him to steal body of his first victim to fly & fight as to act as a Pseudo 1.5 form like with Goku's Black 4.5 corrupt form but based off his & Survivors abilities.
Imo, i understand that babys lvl1 is supposed to be just a powerless civ, but like, give him at least a super crappy ki blast that you can shot every 5 secs, just to knock survivors off of nimbus.
I think people need to understand that just because something is a 'pubstomper' doesn't mean it's actually OP. Annoying and maybe BS, sure. But I could tell I was winning most of my matches because of screw ups and only a few people having actual strats to avoid me at level 1. That or they kept hitting all my infected civvies after I got a few more infected myself. Really the devs banked too hard on players constantly giving evo through those civilians which I think is one of the many reasons he is screwed by premades. Personably I'm morel likely to play him then Vegeta as I just like his moveset more then Nappa's and Vegeta (They are solid melee types which I suck at) but I acknowledge that of the two, Vegeta is far more consistent and safer to use. Least in matches where the survivors don't fumble into you til you win. Also for you folks who don't want to buy Blond Launch's passive, consider using SMOKE SCREEN. Just listen out for Baby's footsteps or taps if he's jumping, activate it and then use whatever run away skills you have to escape. He can't infect you if he can't lock onto you.
With baby I've had the most cases of you either get completely trashed or you're completely trashing the survivors. Regardless of what lvl I end up on I rarely feel like those matches are truly challenging and fun because of that. The worst part of lvl 1 baby is simply trying to advance to lvl2, it's a time waster. In the wrong circumstances it could be Impossoble to level up and that takes away from the later levels as well. Saying it's the weakest lvl 1 I have to disagree, I think cell is the weakest since it's basically the civilian but you have a heart beat and you can't teleport and you actually can get damaged. Saibamen at least have projectiles and you can upgrade their jumping. They definitely need to give the civilian more features like being able to grab items like other raiders can.
This is more of a survivor balance issue than a baby issue tbh. You know just as much as I do that the dodge change only affected solo queue and people without the stronger gacha skills, the things better survivor groups exploit today are no different from before. Baby does have major flaws yes, but he looks way worse because they didn't fix the actual reason survivors were op which is of course stun and super spamming.
I agree baby is kind of civie locked if survs are smart. But a bad habit ive seen time and again with survivors is they stand still and watch the civies they think are you. So just break line of sight and body swap to another infected civie and theyre soooooo tunnel visioned that its hilarious. Hell i stood right beside a surv for a minute as he stared at an infected civie.
11:21 Could at least attempt a super like damn bro Its sad you havent had a good time on the game recently Iron, hopefully something works itself out and maybe everyones happy
the problem is that most survivor mains are angry at not having cheese, I disagree at removing dodge at lvl 0 or in your survivor without morph. I do agree at the cheezebeing patched but not by removing dodge altogether. Baby is the anti premade, you use the survivor's corpse as his own counter to cheese. with Baby you cant snowball the raider cause you cant even trust the civies. plus infecting a survivor locks one skill until they get ultra divine waters
I wonder if level 1 baby would be better by giving him access to vehicles and boxes since if baby could get a dragon ball it would give a chance for baby to not get jumped by a level 4 as soon as he evolves. Oh and let baby vehicles be faster than survivor vehicles with speed buff otherwise it doesn’t help at all
Im with you iron, I've had at least 2 or 3 matches as baby where i couldnt find anyone or catch anyone so the game auto evolved me 😅 his level 1 is so so bad.
So here is a thing I always been on my mind since the start of the season, how would baby had live up if we didn't get the survivor dodge nerf?, I genuinely feel Baby is the worse raider on release but I think Ginyu is far worse since he from the top 1, fell from grace and now legit can't tank a hit for his life. Baby isn't strong, Baby is second worse, I think just make it like Spopovich, 3 civs or 1 survivor and 1 civ, since he takes 2 survivors and 1 civ and I say this from experience to get to level 2. But in compensation, make his great ape take longer because it's insane how fast he can get level 4 and especially with bad teammates or raider camping bodies since it's wild and crazy in the meta where raiders can spam ki blast and just beat up solo survivors, they still need to camp in this day and meta, my guy, if you still need to camp in this meta, please for our sake, get off the game, and go something else or actually get better at being as a raider and don't complain when the devs made your life easier. Anyways Baby is one of the worse release raiders but in my opinion at least he can live longer than the entire Ginyu force, plus Guldo takes like 2 bars of health from dragon fist and that is wild.
Baby is just not fun to play or play against. He is just a half baked noob trap that relies on player incompetence to be remotely viable. When you pick Baby your banking your entire game on the matchmaking giving you a scrub to backboard too victory off of.
People are hyping up servants while im taking them out instantly as level 1 while Baby is getting jumped by everyone else. 😂 Servants have 2 uses, camping etm spots/bodies, and the instant super they shoot after spawning. Otherwise, they're a worse zamasu. At least he respawns.
Yeah i am a new player and i really don't like baby at all , denying civilian , locking your skill in top of him be able to spawn 2 feet away from you or you camp the hight ground to avoid him but you stay weak and don't really interact with the map doing that. Imo i would be glad if they did get ride of his lv1 , make him spawn 2 and rework infested civilian because there is no mutch you can do against them except wasting your transfo or having a dodging skill which as a new player i don't have. Can't even use your pistol to stun them back. Also i just did a match when baby just did spawn 2 feet away from me , i litterally did 2 feet , get attacked and my body was camp , the end ... And he has no detection whatsoever when he can instant kill you ... I just feel when fighting him that i don't have the right to play the game , it's just really unfunny to face baby even if he can be exploit at his lv1.
Well I will say this ironcane memorizing civ location important but if at least 2 survivors memorize them then raiders definitely gonna have a hard time. And 2nd baby is worse than Vegeta. At least saibaman has mobility and key blast and take less to evolve
Nerf Great Ape Either small hitbox from those Ki Blasts, make them slower *OR* What I beg/asked FUKKEN NERF THEM AND TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO FLY I hate Great Ape, it's basically a Guarantee win with Great Ape Vegeta since only his tail takes damage. Either buff Yajarobi's sword to do 2 HP Bar damage since only his TAIL is his only weakness and the sword has BAD aim, or allow damage everywhere, just reduced (?? Hate that idea but more fair) and normal on the tail With Baby it's annoying, fair? Arguably, since he can summon allies, but least he can be hit anywhere. Allies are too OP but take away his flight, raiders will bitch but survivors can't say too *OP* it's just a skill dif issue if survivors die
@Frieza-yg4zp Vegeta took a spirit bomb (depending what source, either a ki blast, half the energy of the spirit bomb or focused spirit bomb) right into the eye and still fought, proof that Vegeta should still be able to stagger "canon wise" and take damage, but also fought quickly as if nothing happened Hence why I would even argue, against my biased judgement, take reduced damage cause it is a fact Vegeta can die fast and it's a bit too OP if he takes regular damage since he can still transform even low HP, trying to be fair But canon wise, when did a great ape fly? Even use GT or whatever. I don't remember seeing Vegeta fly, only jump around, he only 'technically' (?????????????????) flew (levitated) when using that mouth ki blast against Goku when he was charging the spirit bomb (after using solar flare)
I agree with Vegeta needs to be nerf in level 4, have him be able to be hit through all the body but his tail takes extra damage but reduce damage everywhere else. Now with Baby Ape, he can get easily taken down if everyone spams ki blast, this does require a couple of survivors but baby at least feels beatable if you play around the strategy but they need to nerf especially the stomp since you can't dodge it so why instantly knock your d change up close, like he spam his blast and shred.
If level 4 is out, it means tbe survivors Effed up. Level 4 Raider is a punishment for survivors misplay. Great ape should be able to fly, but I agree that maybe slower movement, and changing that stomp attack for a more visible and trackable super explosive wave are good changes. If we are talking about Babay, make is Great Ape form have a cooldown just like Vegeta.
@@ero-senninsama1734 every other raider HAS to fly around, they can snipe but they have to guess where survivors are, as annoying as it is with S.O.S now easily countered it isn't 100% countered But with Great Apes, that movement, hitbox and flight is too much bs coverage especially since 2/5th of the map would be gone, meaning it's pointless to even escape and just wait the 2 minutes since they can fly fast, shoot ki blasts crazy fast, ignore anyone stalling them to focus on EMT to auto win With other Raiders I'd sacrifice myself nd help my friends/lobby escape. That's fair, I take the L and they get the Escape, cannot do that with great apes And using the Level 4 and punishment logic is so stupid because of feeders, there are still feeders even with rank, if feeders can be punished (there's unintentionally and sucky players, I get it, but dying, getting revived, FLYING TOWARDS THE RAIDER AND DYING WITHIN 10 SECONDS OF REVIVING?????) sure punish the lobby because feeders wanna die to get priority to be a raider nd that helps the raider too If reporting (enough reporting from many matches or players) takes away priority, I'd 100% agree with you, but it doesn't, so that's bs.
Definitely not better Vegeta. Saibaman only needs 3 civs, Nappa has a scouter, great ki blasts and the saibaman call is insane, Vegeta also has the scouter and the Nappa call and the best vanish attack in the game, and mostly invincible oozaru.
I guess one could argue that Baby's Oozaru is better since despite not being invulnerable it heals the raider and has a ton of health and is pretty much impossible to kill anyway. However it requires downs to achieve where as Vegeta can just camp and stall.
The thing is for Vegeta is the fact that if Saibaiman gets popped then you don't get him as a assist for Nappa, and if Nappa doesn't live then Vegeta doesn't have a assist plus Vegeta is basically locked out of LvL 4 for a more extended time. As for Baby, yeah if you can't down anyone with Baby you won't get any servants though it's at least not dependent on if your previous lvl was killed. Last thing I want to say is I'm sure if it's all the way true but if you down someone as Great Ape Baby and not execute them you can gain an assist.
Yes, but at least their skills are able to be effective outside of a cave, unlike Baby's skills. And their skills are a lot more varied and add more value, like AoE barrage, following ki blasts AND ai allies you can summon as many times as you need.
@ero-senninsama1734 I'm not saying baby's better, but just having 1 less skill potentially doesn't make baby a bad raider. Also the skill in question can allow you to camp ETM beacons.
yeah I want to play frieza and cell but their kit sucks so bad its like im throwing by choosing them, cell lvl 3 is semi decent now with his kamehamehas but too often you will get stuck and jumped at lvl 2.
@@mr.panamaniac sure, having 1 less skill doesnt make a raider bad, but its things like that amounting to Baby being a bad Raider, along with HP, and being stuck at level 1. Camping ETM beacons is completely useless. The winning and losing condition of the game is determined by the Super Time Machine. If the STM is summoned, and its charge time is completed, then the survivors win. If the STM is destroyed, the survivors lose. Killing more survivors only gives you better medals, its all. ETM doesnt mean anything when it comes to winning and losing the match.
17:48. “What if I don’t have nimbus?” That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. You can pop floating device and get to higher ground. And if lvl 1 babyuse it as well you can grapple or change missle away. Its not that hard
ain't no player worth their salt will be playin baby during ranked.... goku black and vegeta i guarantee are gonna be most used especially goku black with lv2 strat. as i've said premades should be maximized to 3 players only for the sake of fairness ESPECIALLY during ranked, it's fucking wild they let 7man premades run the game and ruin raiders enjoyment. either that or maybe it's time for 2 player controlled raiders in games
Part of me wants to like Baby…Cool concept, interesting shake up from the normal gameplay…but DAMN is he a drag to play and go against…So lets hope that you dont get infected yeah? STOP WHAT YOUR DOING ITS CUTSCENE TIME, Oh and if you do get infected? STOP WHAT YOUR DOING ITS TIME TO TELEPORT ACROSS THE MAP, SOMETIMES right Infront of Baby!! And thats not even mentioning the lack of content this season man…the Season 6 Dragon Tier has nothing worth while… not even voice lines man?? And then we have…1 new ability for transfers? Like I know its only a few weeks in but DAMN man I have no reason to play…The raider is a Drag and the season progression gives me nothing to work towards this time around…Makes me sad man unu
its babies lvl1 its gimmick makes him a bastard also as a lvl80 baby i think its just wanting more GT thats how i feel but i Miss Broly not enough Broly
@@Nobara_gaming0i barely do 😭 i only watch my friends breakers vids now and some of irons if they look interesting unlike before when I watch all of the vids exactly when they came out
I don't complain with iron cause I see stupid people not doing there job in the game. For example dragon ball hoggers and than if they have 4 they go and fight the raider and make us lose the game.
Baby may not be as great as we thought, but be honest, you really are not that good of a raider lol. Sorry I have to call a spade a spade.
Bro clearly didn’t watch the live stream
He’s z5 rank ?
I don't think iron is a bad raider but in those streams he could've made better decisions 😹 and for everyone saying he lost against a premade, everyone loses against a premade with a build specifically made to counter a raider you picked. The point of the premade stuff was to just highlight baby's weakness but tbh he blew it out of proportion saying baby's other lvls aren't that good
@@karbyboi8489 level 2 and level 3 baby cant afford to be jumped. Baby has zero crowd control, and small HP bar.
@@ero-senninsama1734 he has 2 evasives and that pairs really well with the built in instant descent.
Baby in the first week:"baby ruined the game" baby two weeks later:"baby sucks"
Hello fellow viewer im a breakers channel and i think baby is a bit OP check some of my matches out it might change your opinion
Bro I was dying at the end, Iron doing the civ impressions and the flying nimbus call out was comedy
Uuuuuuu~
20:02 this got to be a new message that pops up on your streams that would be so funny or even make it apart of your intro along with the clap
It's only been 3 weeks into the season and the IronRage is coming out more and more
Iragecane.
@@neonoah3353 Iratecane
Beast iron cane
It's already over 9000
@daryback7103 ITS REACHING THE MILLIONS!
Rando: “I caught someone out of midair with nimbus as Lv.1 Baby. It’s not impossible.”
Iron: “What we’re you wearing? A pair of Jordans?” 💀
oh we got a good one today boys
edit: 19:59 IM CRYINGGGGGGGG
😂😂😂 Had me wheezing
2:58 that right there. Everyone loses as raider, no matter how good you think you are.
Tell that to the raider mains that say they've never lost a game.
People need to wake up and stop being delusional by thinking they’ll win at everything they get themselves into. Because life will eventually humble you of that fact one way or another.
@@Vantitasfacts
If you want to see Breakers at it's worst, main the Ginyu Force. Recoome doesn't even have the AOE at the end of his Eraser Gun, the only raider that didn't get buffs in the Patch 😭
Ginyu Force really fell. The whole reason they were the best Raider for a long time, their guaranteed path to lvl 4, has now become their greatest weakness: what people now keep doing is launching a reckless attack on a member that against any other Raider would lead to half the team dying, but the Ginyus get forced in an evolution cutscene so everyone uses that to escape, rinse and repeat.
I've been playing ginyu, and it's honestly not changed anything. They just jump the whole squad 😭
2:54 I think alot of people are only being put against low levels or something or they play EVERYTHING safe and it strokes their ego when other people call out Baby’s flaws
3:36 This is why I think it’s unfair that we can see who the Raider is in the loading screen
I feel like it would definitely be better if you couldn't see the raider. Then, you see the raider after you and your teammates have readied up, and their build is finalized. This could help with builds that survivors switch into with a specific raider to counter with it.
Agree we shouldn't see the raider until its too late or at least let raiders see everyones full build and whether they are grouped up. This way we can decide between the raider we want to play or the one we need to pick if we want a real shot at winning against some sweat lords.
DRAGON BALL THE BREAKERS, REWORK BABY AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
DRAGON BALL THE BREAKERS, ADD DEMON KING PICCOLO AS THE RAIDER AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
DRAGON BALL THE BREAKERS, MAKE DODGING HAVE A SHORTER COOLDOWN AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
@@InsightReasoning DIMPS, JUST DO ANYTHING. PLEASE, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS.
IronFacts. you're right 200%
i think people think baby is better because hes so frustrating to play against. its easy to die in a corny way and be like "nah hes broken"
but ive died seconds into a game and still won. it just gets people so frustrated sometimes that they just give up. especially since babies love to camp.
exactly babies break their survivors down by being pricks hes who i pull out to cheese premades XD
23:00 if this premade happened, i need to see this in a future video.
Honestly yeah like if these Baby Defenders really gonna be hot shit then maybe the Premades should go to war with them like deadass bro!?
Premades all running a Nimbus UAV build when they see Baby pop up, is some BS otc.
Another thing to point out when it comes to Vegeta, they reduced the time it takes to despawn from Saibamen to Nappa. Used to be 3 minutes, now it’s 2 minutes. Pretty much makes the killing a survivor method a bit less risky. Also, now if you max upgrade “call nappa” active skill, it reduces from 18 seconds to 12 seconds
19:40 peak 20:50 content 21:22
To think that this rant went into expectating viewers matches and the chat surprised by the premades and the raider players lol
you are gaslighting me harder than my x
people need to keep in mind that because baby has the most atrocious level 1 to exist in the game and it will be buffed, and when it does baby will become a really dangerous raider because of how fast he can snowball and dominate a match.
the biggest weakness baby has is the terrible level 1 which won't be a thing forever, he has a really good kit like being able to prevent people from getting a lot of d change, and punishing those who do go for civs, and his minions are good for a few reason. 1. they can be used like frieza and just scout where people are. 2. since they use the survivor supers they are really good at sniping someone like a shenron.
people aren't realizing how strong baby will become once his only real weakness which is his level 1 is fixed, and people who know civ spawns are gonna find it easy to dominate a match.
I had a game as baby against a really coordinated group of survivors and i lost hard, had to auto evolve out of lvl 1 due to not being able to find civilians or people and by that point they found most of the keys and once stm was out, i was jumped by everyone (with quite a few level 3s i think) with nothing i could do. Alls whilst they started summoning shenron... Now did i play perfectly that match, no! Im not the best player in the world (started playing when it became available for ps plus at the start of season 4) but even so i can see the issues with him like you laid out.
Also baby > goku black? Goku black has an auto evolve level 1, ki detection at all levels, great ki blasts, an IT option out to zamazu, a dash and most importantly against premades: no dragon balls and no transphere until level 3.
What does baby have? One less ability (servants) no detection (besides i guess civs but smart survivors would just avoid them or rescue them when baby is on the other side of the map), the potential to be jumped by a level 4 and the only escape they have is their dash, instant descent or area destruction which all killers have (except broly for the latter)
Baby is a Snowball character Definitely. But blaming it on the Level 1 isn't exactly fair cause it's clear he's meant to be more Stealthy than the other raiders. They showed off Baby Raiders in the Trailer blending in instead of bumrushing out to a survivor. Yeah he can't be injured but he also, can't fly, Can't Shoot Ki Attacks, can't do anything until level 2. Level 1 is meant to be Different because he turns civilians into Enemy's. Stealthy. Grow your army then hop around.
Not saying that's how you're Supposed to play baby but it's clear he's meant to play Differently.
As for the Servants that's just Resource management. I've seen baby raiders save the servants til the very end and win because he sent out 3-5 Different servants. Yes you have to GET them actively but you gotta be smart with how you use them.
i’ll be honest i was smb who originally said baby was the best raider. but after 1 week that completely changed
When ssj4, I forgot when
For awhile I thought baby was a power creeped vegeta, but then I played vegeta again. I soon realized that I was wrong.
You don’t even need nimbus or Ship to avoid Baby. Bulma’s bike is faster than Baby. Pair it with Launch’s Vehicle passive and/Vehicle Speed Passive for extra use. If you don’t want to use that, Smokescreen prevents Baby from infecting you, giving you time to grapple away. Use mobility skills like Double Jump and Wall Kick to prevent him from catching you. There’s too many options that Level 1 Baby simply cannot deal with.
22:42. I whis I could have premades like that soo easily. Still waiting to revenge Ironcane for what the premades did to him.
Please Iron, let me face them, even if I lose, I'll promise to give a good show.
Here's how we buff baby.
Find a way to make it so survivors don't see the cutscenes. Give lvl 1 baby videl ki blasts and shorten his auto-evolve timer to match saibaman.
20:54 good rage save. 21:34 spoke too soon.
Man I can't wait for Ranked and suddenly somehow Survivors Only works again and we see almost nothing but premades in Ranked cause it would be these same Premade that are gonna kill them before they can even reach LV2!?
You win some you lose some. Fucker is still op, just people complain that now they know how to counter it with nimbus cloud and such , just know he renders the majority of d cubes from civilians useless and also they can grab you for a while snitching you out. He evolves hella fast too and has his servants.
@@ChrisRedfield204 Not to mention… when he downs you… HE TAKES 1 of your abilities. In addition, you have to wait at the ENDGAME to get the Divine Holy Water to get your ability back…
I’ve still been having a blast with Baby; I’ve had a couple of games where I was stuck in Lv 1 for a while (3 minutes at most), but setting up all those civs around the STM and playing mind games with people is a blast!
This is actually crazy considering how much they nerfed Survivors to the ground this patch.
The best fix for Baby would be for him to steal body of his first victim to fly & fight as to act as a Pseudo 1.5 form like with Goku's Black 4.5 corrupt form but based off his & Survivors abilities.
100% this
I love how all the Baby counters I DON'T HAVE!
Goku black supremacy 💪💪
Imo, i understand that babys lvl1 is supposed to be just a powerless civ, but like, give him at least a super crappy ki blast that you can shot every 5 secs, just to knock survivors off of nimbus.
I think people need to understand that just because something is a 'pubstomper' doesn't mean it's actually OP. Annoying and maybe BS, sure. But I could tell I was winning most of my matches because of screw ups and only a few people having actual strats to avoid me at level 1. That or they kept hitting all my infected civvies after I got a few more infected myself. Really the devs banked too hard on players constantly giving evo through those civilians which I think is one of the many reasons he is screwed by premades.
Personably I'm morel likely to play him then Vegeta as I just like his moveset more then Nappa's and Vegeta (They are solid melee types which I suck at) but I acknowledge that of the two, Vegeta is far more consistent and safer to use. Least in matches where the survivors don't fumble into you til you win.
Also for you folks who don't want to buy Blond Launch's passive, consider using SMOKE SCREEN. Just listen out for Baby's footsteps or taps if he's jumping, activate it and then use whatever run away skills you have to escape. He can't infect you if he can't lock onto you.
With baby I've had the most cases of you either get completely trashed or you're completely trashing the survivors. Regardless of what lvl I end up on I rarely feel like those matches are truly challenging and fun because of that.
The worst part of lvl 1 baby is simply trying to advance to lvl2, it's a time waster. In the wrong circumstances it could be Impossoble to level up and that takes away from the later levels as well. Saying it's the weakest lvl 1 I have to disagree, I think cell is the weakest since it's basically the civilian but you have a heart beat and you can't teleport and you actually can get damaged. Saibamen at least have projectiles and you can upgrade their jumping.
They definitely need to give the civilian more features like being able to grab items like other raiders can.
I mean larva only needs two civs though and you auto evolve so you can get out of it faster than baby
I have no idea why they don't give this man some way to catch flyers 😅
This is more of a survivor balance issue than a baby issue tbh. You know just as much as I do that the dodge change only affected solo queue and people without the stronger gacha skills, the things better survivor groups exploit today are no different from before. Baby does have major flaws yes, but he looks way worse because they didn't fix the actual reason survivors were op which is of course stun and super spamming.
4:37 The inner Joker is coming out
I agree baby is kind of civie locked if survs are smart. But a bad habit ive seen time and again with survivors is they stand still and watch the civies they think are you. So just break line of sight and body swap to another infected civie and theyre soooooo tunnel visioned that its hilarious. Hell i stood right beside a surv for a minute as he stared at an infected civie.
4:08 you can link the video in the description or on the (i) icon thing so I can more easily access it. Would be helpful and thanks!
11:21 Could at least attempt a super like damn bro
Its sad you havent had a good time on the game recently Iron, hopefully something works itself out and maybe everyones happy
Fr bro. Man act's like baby don't got anything. Bro plays this game as if its cock and ball torture
the problem is that most survivor mains are angry at not having cheese, I disagree at removing dodge at lvl 0 or in your survivor without morph. I do agree at the cheezebeing patched but not by removing dodge altogether.
Baby is the anti premade, you use the survivor's corpse as his own counter to cheese. with Baby you cant snowball the raider cause you cant even trust the civies. plus infecting a survivor locks one skill until they get ultra divine waters
I wonder if level 1 baby would be better by giving him access to vehicles and boxes since if baby could get a dragon ball it would give a chance for baby to not get jumped by a level 4 as soon as he evolves.
Oh and let baby vehicles be faster than survivor vehicles with speed buff otherwise it doesn’t help at all
Okay not going to lie i saw the stream where they battle. But god damm a i am hype to see part two of this tomorrow. I really hope this happens again
1:51 Evo grand finals ahh Raider
Im with you iron, I've had at least 2 or 3 matches as baby where i couldnt find anyone or catch anyone so the game auto evolved me 😅 his level 1 is so so bad.
So here is a thing I always been on my mind since the start of the season, how would baby had live up if we didn't get the survivor dodge nerf?, I genuinely feel Baby is the worse raider on release but I think Ginyu is far worse since he from the top 1, fell from grace and now legit can't tank a hit for his life. Baby isn't strong, Baby is second worse, I think just make it like Spopovich, 3 civs or 1 survivor and 1 civ, since he takes 2 survivors and 1 civ and I say this from experience to get to level 2. But in compensation, make his great ape take longer because it's insane how fast he can get level 4 and especially with bad teammates or raider camping bodies since it's wild and crazy in the meta where raiders can spam ki blast and just beat up solo survivors, they still need to camp in this day and meta, my guy, if you still need to camp in this meta, please for our sake, get off the game, and go something else or actually get better at being as a raider and don't complain when the devs made your life easier. Anyways Baby is one of the worse release raiders but in my opinion at least he can live longer than the entire Ginyu force, plus Guldo takes like 2 bars of health from dragon fist and that is wild.
At 21:35 it looks like he’s going full power iron against mui civs
Shoutout to SSG jayden, guy can evade a raider and break ankles, if i fought 3 of him i'd probably lose all my raiders game
OHHH brother not again 😹😹🙏
man fr baby gets somewhat boring and my teammate always walk into him this is why ill always main my glourious king cell
I love watching a video about Baby being bad knowing damn well I’m too broke to buy him regardless
Baby is just not fun to play or play against.
He is just a half baked noob trap that relies on player incompetence to be remotely viable. When you pick Baby your banking your entire game on the matchmaking giving you a scrub to backboard too victory off of.
Don't even need nimbus. Just Puar or Baba.
People are hyping up servants while im taking them out instantly as level 1 while Baby is getting jumped by everyone else. 😂
Servants have 2 uses, camping etm spots/bodies, and the instant super they shoot after spawning. Otherwise, they're a worse zamasu. At least he respawns.
At this point I think we should just retire Great Ape because every other phase is just underpowered to compensate.
Editor cooked with this one
I agree that servants are't dangerus in small numbers. I literaly once fought a baby, i snipet his only servant with vegeta gloves.
Baby can be good, if he gets the snowball going its going, but if it isn't, you on the stove burner.
Goku black is just good, full stop.
Probably the only real busted raider is Ginyu that's only if you have all the members
Yeah i am a new player and i really don't like baby at all , denying civilian , locking your skill in top of him be able to spawn 2 feet away from you or you camp the hight ground to avoid him but you stay weak and don't really interact with the map doing that.
Imo i would be glad if they did get ride of his lv1 , make him spawn 2 and rework infested civilian because there is no mutch you can do against them except wasting your transfo or having a dodging skill which as a new player i don't have. Can't even use your pistol to stun them back.
Also i just did a match when baby just did spawn 2 feet away from me , i litterally did 2 feet , get attacked and my body was camp , the end ...
And he has no detection whatsoever when he can instant kill you ...
I just feel when fighting him that i don't have the right to play the game , it's just really unfunny to face baby even if he can be exploit at his lv1.
While I do agree that Baby is not very good, He's become my solo queue nightmare so i need him to stay ass
Well I will say this ironcane memorizing civ location important but if at least 2 survivors memorize them then raiders definitely gonna have a hard time. And 2nd baby is worse than Vegeta. At least saibaman has mobility and key blast and take less to evolve
Memorizing Civ spawns is SWEATY as hell, though. It gatekeeps the game even more.
@@ero-senninsama1734 at this point every thing we do is sweaty as hell lol 🤷♂️
Beast ironcane is peak db breakers
I haven't played too many games recently but I always lost to Baby, but everytime I have a bad team, usually including a feeder.
Nerf Great Ape
Either small hitbox from those Ki Blasts, make them slower
*OR*
What I beg/asked FUKKEN NERF THEM AND TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO FLY
I hate Great Ape, it's basically a Guarantee win with Great Ape Vegeta since only his tail takes damage.
Either buff Yajarobi's sword to do 2 HP Bar damage since only his TAIL is his only weakness and the sword has BAD aim, or allow damage everywhere, just reduced (?? Hate that idea but more fair) and normal on the tail
With Baby it's annoying, fair? Arguably, since he can summon allies, but least he can be hit anywhere. Allies are too OP but take away his flight, raiders will bitch but survivors can't say too *OP* it's just a skill dif issue if survivors die
@Frieza-yg4zp
Vegeta took a spirit bomb (depending what source, either a ki blast, half the energy of the spirit bomb or focused spirit bomb) right into the eye and still fought, proof that Vegeta should still be able to stagger "canon wise" and take damage, but also fought quickly as if nothing happened
Hence why I would even argue, against my biased judgement, take reduced damage cause it is a fact Vegeta can die fast and it's a bit too OP if he takes regular damage since he can still transform even low HP, trying to be fair
But canon wise, when did a great ape fly? Even use GT or whatever. I don't remember seeing Vegeta fly, only jump around, he only 'technically' (?????????????????) flew (levitated) when using that mouth ki blast against Goku when he was charging the spirit bomb (after using solar flare)
I agree with Vegeta needs to be nerf in level 4, have him be able to be hit through all the body but his tail takes extra damage but reduce damage everywhere else. Now with Baby Ape, he can get easily taken down if everyone spams ki blast, this does require a couple of survivors but baby at least feels beatable if you play around the strategy but they need to nerf especially the stomp since you can't dodge it so why instantly knock your d change up close, like he spam his blast and shred.
If level 4 is out, it means tbe survivors Effed up. Level 4 Raider is a punishment for survivors misplay.
Great ape should be able to fly, but I agree that maybe slower movement, and changing that stomp attack for a more visible and trackable super explosive wave are good changes.
If we are talking about Babay, make is Great Ape form have a cooldown just like Vegeta.
@@ero-senninsama1734 every other raider HAS to fly around, they can snipe but they have to guess where survivors are, as annoying as it is with S.O.S now easily countered it isn't 100% countered
But with Great Apes, that movement, hitbox and flight is too much bs coverage especially since 2/5th of the map would be gone, meaning it's pointless to even escape and just wait the 2 minutes since they can fly fast, shoot ki blasts crazy fast, ignore anyone stalling them to focus on EMT to auto win
With other Raiders I'd sacrifice myself nd help my friends/lobby escape. That's fair, I take the L and they get the Escape, cannot do that with great apes
And using the Level 4 and punishment logic is so stupid because of feeders, there are still feeders even with rank, if feeders can be punished (there's unintentionally and sucky players, I get it, but dying, getting revived, FLYING TOWARDS THE RAIDER AND DYING WITHIN 10 SECONDS OF REVIVING?????) sure punish the lobby because feeders wanna die to get priority to be a raider nd that helps the raider too
If reporting (enough reporting from many matches or players) takes away priority, I'd 100% agree with you, but it doesn't, so that's bs.
@Frieza-yg4zp that was a leap wasn't it? I swear but I'll admit nd check, no lie been years, when it was first aired that's when I originally saw it
Definitely not better Vegeta. Saibaman only needs 3 civs, Nappa has a scouter, great ki blasts and the saibaman call is insane, Vegeta also has the scouter and the Nappa call and the best vanish attack in the game, and mostly invincible oozaru.
I guess one could argue that Baby's Oozaru is better since despite not being invulnerable it heals the raider and has a ton of health and is pretty much impossible to kill anyway. However it requires downs to achieve where as Vegeta can just camp and stall.
The thing is for Vegeta is the fact that if Saibaiman gets popped then you don't get him as a assist for Nappa, and if Nappa doesn't live then Vegeta doesn't have a assist plus Vegeta is basically locked out of LvL 4 for a more extended time.
As for Baby, yeah if you can't down anyone with Baby you won't get any servants though it's at least not dependent on if your previous lvl was killed.
Last thing I want to say is I'm sure if it's all the way true but if you down someone as Great Ape Baby and not execute them you can gain an assist.
I watched the live and the baby raider loses three times but he does get better each match
FLYING NIMBUS
6:06 well some raiders like freiza lvl 4 and lvl 3 cell only have 3 skills. they're pretty strong imo
Yes, but at least their skills are able to be effective outside of a cave, unlike Baby's skills.
And their skills are a lot more varied and add more value, like AoE barrage, following ki blasts AND ai allies you can summon as many times as you need.
@ero-senninsama1734 I'm not saying baby's better, but just having 1 less skill potentially doesn't make baby a bad raider. Also the skill in question can allow you to camp ETM beacons.
yeah I want to play frieza and cell but their kit sucks so bad its like im throwing by choosing them, cell lvl 3 is semi decent now with his kamehamehas but too often you will get stuck and jumped at lvl 2.
@johndoe-dj3iy freiza has his super attacks so that's good, but cell has no real useful tools at lvl 2 besides jumping a solo survivor
@@mr.panamaniac sure, having 1 less skill doesnt make a raider bad, but its things like that amounting to Baby being a bad Raider, along with HP, and being stuck at level 1.
Camping ETM beacons is completely useless.
The winning and losing condition of the game is determined by the Super Time Machine.
If the STM is summoned, and its charge time is completed, then the survivors win. If the STM is destroyed, the survivors lose.
Killing more survivors only gives you better medals, its all.
ETM doesnt mean anything when it comes to winning and losing the match.
Taking Baby to Z5 ✌️
you're arms looking sick iron keep it up
Ironcane, you scared me this vid 🥺
This was hilarious to watch live
17:48. “What if I don’t have nimbus?”
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. You can pop floating device and get to higher ground. And if lvl 1 babyuse it as well you can grapple or change missle away. Its not that hard
who did the editing they did a great job
Guys, i have the opposite problem, i only face noobs even tho im lvl 100 raider, is there anyway to fix this 😭 its just genuinely boring now😢
Ur rants r hilarious iron! 😂
ain't no player worth their salt will be playin baby during ranked.... goku black and vegeta i guarantee are gonna be most used especially goku black with lv2 strat. as i've said premades should be maximized to 3 players only for the sake of fairness ESPECIALLY during ranked, it's fucking wild they let 7man premades run the game and ruin raiders enjoyment. either that or maybe it's time for 2 player controlled raiders in games
Dam he really hates baby
Goku black is a tier 6 sigma
but what if i memorize civ spawns iron
Then start playing with mouse and keyboard and set sensibility to 200
20:00
Part of me wants to like Baby…Cool concept, interesting shake up from the normal gameplay…but DAMN is he a drag to play and go against…So lets hope that you dont get infected yeah? STOP WHAT YOUR DOING ITS CUTSCENE TIME, Oh and if you do get infected? STOP WHAT YOUR DOING ITS TIME TO TELEPORT ACROSS THE MAP, SOMETIMES right Infront of Baby!! And thats not even mentioning the lack of content this season man…the Season 6 Dragon Tier has nothing worth while… not even voice lines man?? And then we have…1 new ability for transfers? Like I know its only a few weeks in but DAMN man I have no reason to play…The raider is a Drag and the season progression gives me nothing to work towards this time around…Makes me sad man unu
its babies lvl1 its gimmick makes him a bastard also as a lvl80 baby i think its just wanting more GT thats how i feel but i Miss Broly not enough Broly
Idk guys I think that he likes tha baby
Baby better than Goku Black? Pah please
11:27 😭😭😭
Alright bet lol 2:58.
people still playing breakers in this season is Hilarious to me
It’ll be dead by October dw lol
Why are you watching breakers videos then 😭
idc I’m gonna buy it this evening
@@lebinskiwould recommend you not this season. Maybe it will be on more of a sale or something during anni. This season is very bad
@@Nobara_gaming0i barely do 😭 i only watch my friends breakers vids now and some of irons if they look interesting unlike before when I watch all of the vids exactly when they came out
Hi (its like my 5th time telling you hi) :D
Some people have the dumbest takes on this game
Pls tell me he dmed u on discord
Lol I had been laughing the entire video, I can't! 🤣
I don't complain with iron cause I see stupid people not doing there job in the game. For example dragon ball hoggers and than if they have 4 they go and fight the raider and make us lose the game.
But yet baby can still win even if he has trouble at lvl 1 especially since you still won while you were stuck at lvl 1 till stm so baby is op