This just hurts Solo Q so much. I find so few high levels in my survivor games, but I get the justice league to fight for my raider games like 70% of the time. It gets old very quickly.
Bruh that's what I'm saying! I get high level survivors when I play raider, but low levels when I'm in Solo Q. It makes me not want to play survivor at times
30:42 My guess? They have none. They'll try to justify their plays with the survivor nerf or they'll turn it around on you. Making other players miserable is the only joy they have in life, lol.
Yeah, that's the impression I get. They seem like the kinda people who deride gratification from inflicting misery upon others. It's a really sad brand of sadism...
I swear to god solo queueing in this game is miserable. As a survivor, you get a team of cartoon henchmen that constantly mess up but when you go raider all you can do is watch "Time Patrol & Friends" squad up to take you down.
I can only pray Breakers removes the ability for survivors to see what Raider is going to be used *when deciding on their build/preset* Got in a queue with everyone, picked my ETM build, saw it was a Frieza raider, decided to switch to my Dragon Ball Divinity build... EVERYONE found the dragon balls in under 2 minutes because 4 other players had Dragon Ball Divinity too (saw different players using it that match) NOBODY would've picked it if the Raider was Broly or Zamasu, would've been pointless. Seeing the raider really gives Survivors a good advantage
Yeah, that was definitely 1 of the worst changes they ever made. Sadly I don't think they'll ever revert it, since they exactly did it because some skills are 100% useless with certain Raiders.
@@_Vengeance_ that's the point Dead By Daylight is basically GUESS the killer, and with this game, it gives Raiders a fair advantage especially since pre-sets alone are too OP The skill(s) worth isn't, it's just a bad time/bad guess and forces players to figure out how to survive and use real skill I had a Dragon Ball build that was roughly OP (??) Dragon Ball Divinity, Saiyan Pod (see all the location of Dragon Balls) land where some are close enough to each other, Jaco Ship to where the other's were, Radar and that skill that expands the radar if I do pick up a radar Use that whenever I know there's dragon balls in the map, and if I have friends, do the same thing but change enough to stall raiders; OP set up.... Take away the ability to see which raider I'm against, my build is dead that match, fair since I'm so biased hell bent on looking for dragon balls, even more with the lobby thinking the same plan as me
@@_Vengeance_ I've said this since day one. The fact they can See who you will play BEFORE the match even begins AND if you ready up it's they will see who you play. So you would think ready up last...you can't because a second timer will start AFTER you ready up by forced time out so survivors will REGARDLESS know who you will be playing. It's worse when you see that second timer appear and you see Black boxes appearing so they can switch loadouts...
@@HebiSaru21 In DBD there is a chance you will be told who the killer is. By the loading screen but it's random. Plus it's during the loading screen so you can't change your build. You are stuck with it. Through Sometimes someone in the party will get the "name killer here" tag and be on Coms but again it's Random and the best case situation is just 1 person knows while the others don't. So that's still an advantage for the most part. (Which is mostly fine I guess.
The issue isn’t that Raider are OP or Survivors are. It’s the fact that it is so easy for survivors to jump the raider and get away with it. If they added something to help the raiders a bit with being jumped and made it so survivors could survive raiders in 1v1 scenarios easier the game would be better in my opinion. Sorry for the long comment
The main way to kill the raider is to jump him though. And they have alot of help when it comes to that I feel. If jumping doesn't work then a 1 or 2 on 1 would be absolutely useless. Which makes the raider practically immortal
@@arukonsupreme124 Yes but if they’re not Jumpijg the Raider the Raider is immortal because you need multiple people and if you are jumping the raider you can’t do anything as raider. Both sides are unbalanced and needs this issues fixed. That’s all I’m saying
your comment is far off the mark, jumping is not at all a problem for raiders with the buffed rise and descent and fall that they have, it’s the survivors playing defensive the whole game and only attacking you to stall when you go for finishers or when you try to stop the stm. and even then raiders have the tools to do something against it rn. ironcane is a solid raider but there are raiders who are much better than him still.
I did run into a premade like this a few weeks ago when playing Goku Black. Walls up the ass and I wasn’t trying to go sweaty initially. I wanted to evolve and have fun with the raider, but was forced into the level 2 after getting key rushed within 3 minutes. And fighting the premade was a nightmare, they just stalled me out with a bunch of d changes (mind you they didn’t even have supplies). It felt like everyone in the team changed like 5 times that game. It was probably on me for not getting into the super sweaty mindset frame 1 of the game tbh.
I find fighting groups like this fun as long as I'm not playing baby or buu. Baby and buu really struggle against these groups and are by far the weakest raiders due to it.
@@mrfatmancory Playing against a group I can see for the challenge but playing in 1 looks boring as sin. I honestly prefer to play solo or duo queue in DBD because 3 and especially 4man just makes survivor boring for me.
@@holyelixir4580 I'd probably play in groups more if they had the old match making system back lol. But since I can't play raider and premade at the same time no premade for me.
i mean i would love playing with 2-3 friends at most. but im talking ppl i know irl. not a discord where strangers play call like its “EVO Grand Finals” 😅
Premades have always been a nightmare to deal with, that's what the devs should've focused on, instead they just nerfed in general, making solo queue experience miserable and not changing much of premades annoyingness.
And to add to the sweatfest these guys displayed, they'd only get one match with me, they're getting blocked right after and I invite everyone to do the same
I actually feel your pain. premades can a HUGE pain in the ass when fighting teams like this one 😮💨, especially if they all run immortal champion, kaioken rush, stun active skills like flashbang, charming pose, krillins shoe, trap device, etc
ANY GAME with Vs X player will be competitive. It's unrealistic to even think that. If you want casual they have private rooms. In real matches and the unfortunate eventuality Ranked. Will just cause players who want to win...want to win more.
Iron those remove region lock people are on the leaderboards check it trust it’s crazy how much they actually play it’s ridiculous and without ranked too
Region lock being removed would stop excluding people who don’t have a vpn, streamers could do viewer lobbies again without constantly asking « are you in my region? » I stopped counting how many friends started playing the game only to be disappointed to hear they can’t play with X because they’re not in the same region
hit detection would not improve, hits like this 24:07 would happen more often. they only happen now if someone uses a vpn. less latency is objectively better.
Baby needs an active ability to do something with the civilians. Like if he has no Survivor Servants, he can order an infected civilian to occupy a different target area or work like Bubbles the Monkey skill.
It'd be very cool if all civs wander around like zombies, literally turn into The Walking Dead the moment Baby reaches level 3 or when the STM phase a certain %
I think your anger is totally justified. If the devs don't figure something out this game isnt going to make it. I've had similar games as other raiders too. Buu stuck at level 2 saiba man until auto evolve then getting dommed as Nappa because they still have their dragon changes seconds after being knocked out of it somehow. Baby has to be played super unconventionally if he wants to stand a chance. Cell has similar issues as saiba man and baby lvl 1 even with auto evolve. Dragon balls used in, no joke, 2 and a half minutes in. Spopovich can be totally blocked from using Buu if there's a million stuns and walls. Goku black getting jumped at level 2 because instant transmission and Jaco ship giving survs plenty of leeway to recover and get stronger. With the skills even broly has trouble catching up sometimes. Ginyu force gets blasted when they get jumped even with a break strike. Frieza evolves from combat but still underperforms. Survivors are waaaay to powerful. Raider is literally just a second win condition now. Survivors aren't playing to have fun, and it's totally nonsensical given they clearly enjoy the game. But how could they possibly have fun when it's a total wash? It's the same stuff every game, with every raider.I used to have what felt like balanced games but when survivors keep getting broken passives and actives that make it impossible to fight them head on as what's supposed to be an imposing and difficult opponent is ruined by damage reduction builds and escape abilities every game. A message to everyone else who may be reading this if you want this game to last chill tf out. The game will die if you stomp all the time. If you don't like it you need to revaluate why you play games. It shouldn't be about winning it defeats the point. Winning and losing isn't why we made video games in the first place. Try different builds and let the game be fun for both sides. Dbd has a better community and seems to be doing well because they want things to be challenging. If you stomp like these people I'm sorry but you probably aren't very good at the game without the same abilities every time. Thats a total lack of actual skill and mastery. You're bad if you cant diversify your skill set, and i think most people think that way when looking at things from an objective standpoint.
I legit feel bad for you bro .... however I also feel sorry for newer players entering this game..... sure ranked is not live atm but once it does.... jesus.
I think the main problem for raider is that you can’t split focus. The way out of chasing a level 4 that you can’t hit is to make them chase you and take advantage of their pursuit path. Basically go about your business in a moonwalk. It’s unintuitive, so most people won’t do it and end up chasing one survivor around forever because that works against non meta builds.
Something people should note, they are geared to protect each other and escape as needed. So chances are, if Iron focused someone without d-change, somebody else is nearby to lend them a hand should their cooldowns be in play. I feel the only way to get any real downs is to exhaust all of their cooldowns and then spot and snipe the ones coming to help without getting melted by the level 4. Taking some down during a jumping would help, but then he'd be faced with keeping them down for a whole minute while others keep him busy, which means he's not going to be moving much, and an easy target. It looks like there is somewhat a fightback before the stm is out, if you take cover and make them come to you. But then there is the chance they may not do that until they have you surrounded. Unless the raider player has a way to directly counter a premade, it's always going to be in their hands over the raider. You'll just have to take them out before they get started, which in baby case, a raider whose lv1 is easily spotted and can't pick up dragon balls. Goodluck with that as you'll be relying on screw-ups, or spawning within 3 seconds of someone who chooses to call flying nimbus and catching them in that animation before they fly off.
Yeah, that first match was miserable. We've all been there in competitive games, suddenly finding people who seem to be robots following flowcharts to maximize success with no regard for fun or being sporting. I wouldn't believe anyone on the team that said they played that way because they all just really enjoy using walls and running away. Like bro what do they want? For every raider to begin playing the exact same character in the same way? Is that why they hop on a game, just to see that win screen? People will really hit you "its just a game bro chill" while they ain't even playing, just scrolling down their spreadsheet for what they're *supposed* to do. I'm here for the raging baby gaming arc.
I find so weird that most of your raider matches are against sweaty and premades , while here on SA server i can only fight newbies and i have to let them live so i can level up my raiders
And we’re gonna see premades being in the top for rank and the leaderboards when it should exclusively only be for Solo Que survivors. Premades should barely get any rewards if more than 3 or in a premade
The thing that annoyed me the most is watching how bad the Raider’s blast tracking is just from Midrange meanwhile the Shenron player is able to snipe you from across the map and do damage, and play keep away with infinite KI and just stay out of your lock on range. Even not looking at all the firewall spam that’s a major balance issue. They need to nerf the range on that jank hitting you.
you know, i haven't seen much people talk about this, but really, the problem with playing raider right now (something that will only become worse as time goes and becomes worse against premades) is the fact you basically can't kill anyone, because the game has 50 shades of bullshit when it comes to escape skills, stuns and even speed boosters. raiders just don't have the ability to pursue or even damage properly, and sure, aoe on supers is nice, but not like it really matters when the survivors are flying around the air with extra speed and 2, sometimes 3 different evasion skills. The jumping is bad, key rushing too, but it wouldn't be so bad if you could realistically kill survivors, but unless you're level 3 cell (and good lucking getting there) you'll have a REALLY hard time.
legitimately they need to nerf ki blast damage from survivors the further away they are. Playing against that shit is so unfun I don't even play raider anymore because the same shit happens every match, they run away and try to snipe then jaco ship away unpunished because raiders aren't allowed to have fun unless they like getting their teeth kicked in from survivors who avoid you like you have covid.
On god premades are genuinely annoying deal with, The stuns, the escape skills, And op transpheres really go to show how broken survivor STILL is even with the recent nerfs. But the fact we can never have teammates like this is crazy.
@Ironcane my bad I came at you pretty hard last time. I'm actually happy that you know, how you be acting when you really get into it. But at the end of the day, we are all human so keep being human.
I'm pretty I made it very clear that night that I was salty and talked a lot of shit during the game out of pure frustration. After the game it is what it is, maybe I'll be a little annoyed but it's not that deep.
The problem is the difference in "meta" play with premades or ranked. But the game has to be balanced for randoms too. if the game was balanced around premades, the buffs id give to baby are: -3 infections to hit level 2 -lvl1 baby footsteps become SILENT for the currently controlled civ -lvl2 baby on, ALL infected civs become active and wander the map. seeking out survivors and maybe other civs to infect. on contact, the same interaction as now except maybe baby isn't alerted to the location of the survivor i think the problem is baby doesn't have much pressure throughout the map as well as his lvl1 slowing everything down. the lvl2 active survivors would hopefully help him get some more pressure on the map to keep survivors from having the absolute run of the place and help baby level up (this limits how long you can potentially stay in level 2 though). of course, this would be broken against randoms, but it would slow down the efficiency in premades and keep them in check. fun to dream though...
@@slash5235 i do it to cope🤣. my brother says it works but not right away. to be fair when i block people i dont usually see them a day or 2 later but ive never gotten confirmation
@@SunlightAldoNo it works it works like the Amount of Times I'm Blocking has been kinda Outrageous and honestly I feel like for Rank you are Justified in doing so hell I think these Premades know to so if you don't like them make them wait longer just like you have to in queue.
I would have dipped the second I saw a team of level 300s that's surely a premade as I know it will be a match where the possibility of winning is essentially nonexistent and knowing you will just be playing as the ultimate survivor/punching bag against 7 raiders. I wouldn't care if I could just go right back into another raider match but when it takes 1-2 hours of queuing for and playing 5-6 survivor matches there is no way I can accept getting the shaft like that.
it’s crazy you can know where a key and it be pointless unless you have some kind of summon to cover you like the saibamen or zamasu. even mid ones like burter are so much better than having no disruptions as baby
How is this any fun at all for them? I’d be bored after the first game. It takes zero skill and effort. I guess they get off on ruining the game for other people? This isn’t even ranked lmfao
How would you even fix this though? Like it wasn't stun spam or anything. Obviously fixing the change-tech would help, but otherwise, what would you do? Like, would you stop survivors from being able to use movement actives during D-change? Or maybe making it so ki blasts had a lot more of a fixed range? Cause tbh, I can't see a feasible way to fix this issue without majorly changing the game from the ground-up.
I'm new but I feel some stuff that could improve this game: 1. Ability to save presets of costumes. With dress up being a big part of the game I'd like to save a few outfits you know. Ninjala (trust me that game has its own problems but saving outfits isn't one of them) has the ability to save set ups and costumes. 2. Ability to use fighter souls on unlocking abilities and not just super attacks. Sorry but that 1% bull on a 10 draw is awful and with so many games being forced (thankfully) into removing gambling from their games I'm shocked that breakers is getting away with this bullshit still.
I havent touched the game since I blew through the Pan event tier and literally a minute or two just to summon ssj4. I'm just so bored of Breakers cuz this season is so underwhelming and lame. Premades are still an issue cuz the devs did terrible nerfs, butchering normal survivor gameplay and also premades still being OP af. They didnt nerf the apporiate skills and passives (mostly stuns, walls, instant rise, jaco ship, unconscious control etc.) because they want people to spend money to get the "meta" skills, it's fcking ridiculous. Low effort slop this season smh.
Honestly I was disappointed to see Baby doesn't have is actual 1st form. The Civillian aspect to him is excellent in concept but not that great in execution. Maybe they should give him his original 1st form and make him weaker outside ofna civilian and the civilian takeover/teleporting to other civilians could be an ability instead. Then you have a more mobile and weak form of Baby and a stronger less mobile civilian form.
This is why I camp premades constantly. If they want to win, maintain your numbers then. If you get downed that's on you. By eliminating players, that's 4 less Active skills and passive skills on the board, 4 Active and 4 passives that 90% of the time are Meta and essential to premades. Plus these are Steam players for sure. Usually in the US it's Playstation, no way they ain't PC players
I haven’t played for real in a few weeks and watching this brings back all those feelings i had playing this. I’ve been taking a break and don’t know if I’m going back.
If you can call this gameplay, they use vpn so if they get caught by any miracle they can bs get out of the attack, they use walls not Just for utility, they already know how fking annoying it is, and the puar skin Just tills raiders more, this is no gameplay, they Just annoy raiders at this point, they make a game that is already a pain to get into much worse Just because they can, or they really believe this is some freaking ESport and winning like this Will get them something more than a shitty stickers, and the devs Just keep giving skills that make it more easy to do every banner and season, premades can now get shenron at 2 to 3 minutes while the raider is playing catch, Just seeing the lvl 4 running away like that with zero real counter is bs, and the sad part is that It doesnt even need to do damage all the time, Just being annoying with supers and cannon ki blast is enough, because Im 100% sure it had all the speed increase passives, why even bother with base dmg when some of the supers deal 80 cost supers dmg with all while the normal d-change stall the raider with resistance and memories of battle, this teams are Just killing the game, no one wants to play because of this, and if they do end Up playing, 70% of them body camp now or play like a-holes out of fear or spite to survivors
If any androids comes android 19 and 20 should come so they can absorb the key blast and power wall. That would be so op and than their level 4 is 18 and 17 or 16.
10:42 Did the lvl 4 on the first video did a mid-air jump animation to tranverse faster? is this a cheat/bug or there some kinda trick to it or something?
I won’t play against premades this season, all the f***ery we’ve been forced to experience, don’t need the added stress of 7 people sitting on comms acting like they’re good.
Iron, you play terribly from the beggining and immediately fall behind. The only thing that could go differently since you refuse to adjust is for the survivors to literally offer themselves up to you so you can get your level 2. Even after you finally transform you refuse to tunnel survivors (besides the level 4 who you refuse to ignore even for 1 sexcond) and constantly just chase whatever is on your screen, hopping from survivor to survivor each with their skills ready to go
I mean they are using builds, VPNs and, firewalls to effectively make some of them nigh invulnerable. So how do you win as raider if you can't damage the survivors? The simple answer is that you can't. No amount of skill can overcome effectively invincible survivors. The survivors only lose if they screw up enough to lose said effective invincibility.
I love the game but the meta has gotten out of hand if you don’t have instant rise Jaco ship or instant transmission you’re at a disadvantage and they make it almost impossible to get those skills i’m still having a lot of fun with the game with my launchpad and grappler 😂 and Vegeta
well Jaco ship was free if you did the pass last season, but you can always missile and grappling hook to escape. smokescreen can also help while you are running away with missile to prevent getting shot or locked on with aoe supers. And those 3 skills are f2p friendly, its not as good as instant rise and Jaco ship but its an alternative.
I honestly don't think there is a point to playing Baby I this game. He's an actual full on handicap when playing raider you are already pretty behind on things.
I like watching cane play but I complained about survivors last season and in his words he responded “wait till season 6”. Season 6 is here and nothing changed but them steering me away from playing the game. I played two raider matches and haven’t touched it since. This season like last season is unfun to play as raider. Solo Q is nightmare and playing raider is worse somehow. The game is fucked and the only way for it to get better is to stop funding them. Breakers won’t nerf survivor skills because it gives them money from their very and I mean VERY shitty gacha system. Honestly I spent more money on breakers than most games I play consistently and I’m disappointed that I don’t see myself playing it in the future.
Playing with premade should make the game harder for you. Reduce dc or loot for example. I'm not dealing with this bc i'm only playing survivor. I play with friends and we're just having fun. This game is not made to be competitive anyway.. if i want to compete i'll just go on competitive games like cs2.
the thing at 24:38 isn’t VPN that’s what happens when you melee to cancel the raider’s dash skill, you both do a weird stunned animation. but if you do it to baby’s dash he can get a free melee off on you if he just spams melee after that happens. you can always try it in practice if doubting
This just hurts Solo Q so much. I find so few high levels in my survivor games, but I get the justice league to fight for my raider games like 70% of the time. It gets old very quickly.
The crossover we deserved, but not the one we needed.
Bruh that's what I'm saying! I get high level survivors when I play raider, but low levels when I'm in Solo Q. It makes me not want to play survivor at times
As the old saying goes... "Meta this, Meta that, have you ever META fucking woman before?" ~Kaiba
True true
Pretty much in every game, everyone seems to think the meta is the only way to play the game
how about you go-get-a girlfriend! - Super Gogeta
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Lol
We all love Breakers, but premades can test everyone's patience...
we all love breakers, but we HATE premades
thats why premades need a hard limit of max 3 players cause this shit ain't it chief
We need a premade only mode
Me and you need a mode, and it should be called the bedroom@@slash5235
As annoying as premades are to deal with, they're the only people that can make you a better raider
30:42 My guess? They have none. They'll try to justify their plays with the survivor nerf or they'll turn it around on you. Making other players miserable is the only joy they have in life, lol.
Yeah, that's the impression I get. They seem like the kinda people who deride gratification from inflicting misery upon others. It's a really sad brand of sadism...
I swear to god solo queueing in this game is miserable. As a survivor, you get a team of cartoon henchmen that constantly mess up but when you go raider all you can do is watch "Time Patrol & Friends" squad up to take you down.
Paw patrol ending I love 2 see it 😂
I can only pray Breakers removes the ability for survivors to see what Raider is going to be used *when deciding on their build/preset*
Got in a queue with everyone, picked my ETM build, saw it was a Frieza raider, decided to switch to my Dragon Ball Divinity build... EVERYONE found the dragon balls in under 2 minutes because 4 other players had Dragon Ball Divinity too (saw different players using it that match)
NOBODY would've picked it if the Raider was Broly or Zamasu, would've been pointless. Seeing the raider really gives Survivors a good advantage
Yeah, that was definitely 1 of the worst changes they ever made. Sadly I don't think they'll ever revert it, since they exactly did it because some skills are 100% useless with certain Raiders.
@@_Vengeance_ that's the point
Dead By Daylight is basically GUESS the killer, and with this game, it gives Raiders a fair advantage especially since pre-sets alone are too OP
The skill(s) worth isn't, it's just a bad time/bad guess and forces players to figure out how to survive and use real skill
I had a Dragon Ball build that was roughly OP (??) Dragon Ball Divinity, Saiyan Pod (see all the location of Dragon Balls) land where some are close enough to each other, Jaco Ship to where the other's were, Radar and that skill that expands the radar if I do pick up a radar
Use that whenever I know there's dragon balls in the map, and if I have friends, do the same thing but change enough to stall raiders; OP set up.... Take away the ability to see which raider I'm against, my build is dead that match, fair since I'm so biased hell bent on looking for dragon balls, even more with the lobby thinking the same plan as me
@@_Vengeance_ I've said this since day one. The fact they can See who you will play BEFORE the match even begins AND if you ready up it's they will see who you play.
So you would think ready up last...you can't because a second timer will start AFTER you ready up by forced time out so survivors will REGARDLESS know who you will be playing.
It's worse when you see that second timer appear and you see Black boxes appearing so they can switch loadouts...
@@HebiSaru21
In DBD there is a chance you will be told who the killer is. By the loading screen but it's random. Plus it's during the loading screen so you can't change your build. You are stuck with it.
Through Sometimes someone in the party will get the "name killer here" tag and be on Coms but again it's Random and the best case situation is just 1 person knows while the others don't. So that's still an advantage for the most part.
(Which is mostly fine I guess.
It used to work that way until an update during Broly season iirc so we started to have specific builds for Broly and whatnot
The issue isn’t that Raider are OP or Survivors are. It’s the fact that it is so easy for survivors to jump the raider and get away with it. If they added something to help the raiders a bit with being jumped and made it so survivors could survive raiders in 1v1 scenarios easier the game would be better in my opinion. Sorry for the long comment
Don’t apologize for being 101% correct my friend
The main way to kill the raider is to jump him though. And they have alot of help when it comes to that I feel.
If jumping doesn't work then a 1 or 2 on 1 would be absolutely useless. Which makes the raider practically immortal
@@arukonsupreme124 Yes but if they’re not Jumpijg the Raider the Raider is immortal because you need multiple people and if you are jumping the raider you can’t do anything as raider. Both sides are unbalanced and needs this issues fixed. That’s all I’m saying
your comment is far off the mark, jumping is not at all a problem for raiders with the buffed rise and descent and fall that they have, it’s the survivors playing defensive the whole game and only attacking you to stall when you go for finishers or when you try to stop the stm. and even then raiders have the tools to do something against it rn. ironcane is a solid raider but there are raiders who are much better than him still.
@@zdjhjsbfhushx No I means when I have 3 Players using Melee and 2 Other players using Beams and they get supplies and I die
I did run into a premade like this a few weeks ago when playing Goku Black. Walls up the ass and I wasn’t trying to go sweaty initially. I wanted to evolve and have fun with the raider, but was forced into the level 2 after getting key rushed within 3 minutes. And fighting the premade was a nightmare, they just stalled me out with a bunch of d changes (mind you they didn’t even have supplies). It felt like everyone in the team changed like 5 times that game. It was probably on me for not getting into the super sweaty mindset frame 1 of the game tbh.
Legitimately don't know how anyone can find playing in a premade like this fun lol
I find fighting groups like this fun as long as I'm not playing baby or buu. Baby and buu really struggle against these groups and are by far the weakest raiders due to it.
@@mrfatmancory Playing against a group I can see for the challenge but playing in 1 looks boring as sin. I honestly prefer to play solo or duo queue in DBD because 3 and especially 4man just makes survivor boring for me.
@@holyelixir4580 I'd probably play in groups more if they had the old match making system back lol. But since I can't play raider and premade at the same time no premade for me.
it's the main character syndrome in them, they feel good when they win against "the bad guy"
i mean i would love playing with 2-3 friends at most. but im talking ppl i know irl. not a discord where strangers play call like its “EVO Grand Finals” 😅
At this point raiders aren't even a threat anymore. If anything, the SURVIVORS are the ones who are a threat to the raider
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It's what every Asymmetrical eventually becomes
A lot of my friends have uninstalled the game recently I’m like the only one in my group who plays it now lol
Premades have always been a nightmare to deal with, that's what the devs should've focused on, instead they just nerfed in general, making solo queue experience miserable and not changing much of premades annoyingness.
And to add to the sweatfest these guys displayed, they'd only get one match with me, they're getting blocked right after and I invite everyone to do the same
@@jadenknottLimit the groups ? Only let people group up to 4 players max would at least change some stuff
@@redpandaworkshopHmmmmmm maybe idk
@@jadenknott Not maybe, that would be a good change, you don't need to be more than 4 on a game like that on a call
@@redpandaworkshop 5% dmg reduction +5 dmg increase for each person in a premade, what do you think of it?
Not gonna lie iron I have a lot of respect for you to continue to play this game and still have hair
The fact that this game hasn’t turned you into Sasuke Uchiha yet blows my mind
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Iron's audience: I F****** LOVE DRAMA!!!
Ok, but the retrospective pieces in the video were immaculate.
I feel ur pain tho. The premades are BRUTAL to deal with
Blankey reveal when?
I actually feel your pain. premades can a HUGE pain in the ass when fighting teams like this one 😮💨, especially if they all run immortal champion, kaioken rush, stun active skills like flashbang, charming pose, krillins shoe, trap device, etc
So sick of hearing I’ll do my best every time a puar transforms
thats why i play on japanese. i dont understand it so its just background noise to me 😂
@@default_liver1641 might have to try tbh
I feel bad for you iron, I wish premades and people in general were just here to have fun and not sweat but I guess there is no way to stop it :(
ANY GAME
with Vs X player will be competitive. It's unrealistic to even think that. If you want casual they have private rooms.
In real matches and the unfortunate eventuality Ranked. Will just cause players who want to win...want to win more.
@@The_WIll_OF_D99you cant play private matches though lol
@@The_WIll_OF_D99stop it bruh there ain’t nothing competitive about this game😂
@@xvkn Not yet
@@The_WIll_OF_D99That isn’t a very good reason to allow this nonsense. Most people don’t want to sweat every single game because of people like this.
Iron those remove region lock people are on the leaderboards check it trust it’s crazy how much they actually play it’s ridiculous and without ranked too
They were feeding and reviving in Buu's stomach. He showed a clip in one of his twitch streams.
Honestly iron, foul language & swearing is mostly understandable. Especially when putting up with a goddamn pre-made team.
premade players want to remove region lock just to play with the same people anyways
Can people stop misusing the word region lock actually the educated you people Google is right here ...
@@The_WIll_OF_D99whata the proper word then?
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 No no, go on. tell us.
Region lock being removed would stop excluding people who don’t have a vpn, streamers could do viewer lobbies again without constantly asking « are you in my region? »
I stopped counting how many friends started playing the game only to be disappointed to hear they can’t play with X because they’re not in the same region
hit detection would not improve, hits like this 24:07 would happen more often. they only happen now if someone uses a vpn. less latency is objectively better.
Baby needs an active ability to do something with the civilians. Like if he has no Survivor Servants, he can order an infected civilian to occupy a different target area or work like Bubbles the Monkey skill.
It'd be very cool if all civs wander around like zombies, literally turn into The Walking Dead the moment Baby reaches level 3 or when the STM phase a certain %
I don’t see what’s wrong with a sonic blankie
I think your anger is totally justified. If the devs don't figure something out this game isnt going to make it. I've had similar games as other raiders too. Buu stuck at level 2 saiba man until auto evolve then getting dommed as Nappa because they still have their dragon changes seconds after being knocked out of it somehow. Baby has to be played super unconventionally if he wants to stand a chance. Cell has similar issues as saiba man and baby lvl 1 even with auto evolve. Dragon balls used in, no joke, 2 and a half minutes in. Spopovich can be totally blocked from using Buu if there's a million stuns and walls. Goku black getting jumped at level 2 because instant transmission and Jaco ship giving survs plenty of leeway to recover and get stronger. With the skills even broly has trouble catching up sometimes. Ginyu force gets blasted when they get jumped even with a break strike. Frieza evolves from combat but still underperforms. Survivors are waaaay to powerful. Raider is literally just a second win condition now. Survivors aren't playing to have fun, and it's totally nonsensical given they clearly enjoy the game. But how could they possibly have fun when it's a total wash? It's the same stuff every game, with every raider.I used to have what felt like balanced games but when survivors keep getting broken passives and actives that make it impossible to fight them head on as what's supposed to be an imposing and difficult opponent is ruined by damage reduction builds and escape abilities every game.
A message to everyone else who may be reading this if you want this game to last chill tf out. The game will die if you stomp all the time. If you don't like it you need to revaluate why you play games. It shouldn't be about winning it defeats the point. Winning and losing isn't why we made video games in the first place. Try different builds and let the game be fun for both sides. Dbd has a better community and seems to be doing well because they want things to be challenging. If you stomp like these people I'm sorry but you probably aren't very good at the game without the same abilities every time. Thats a total lack of actual skill and mastery. You're bad if you cant diversify your skill set, and i think most people think that way when looking at things from an objective standpoint.
Season 4 pc players know this was every game pretty much as raider lol
I legit feel bad for you bro .... however I also feel sorry for newer players entering this game..... sure ranked is not live atm but once it does.... jesus.
They should make it so normal beam ki blasts cant reach unless you get the lock on so you cant play back that far
I think the main problem for raider is that you can’t split focus. The way out of chasing a level 4 that you can’t hit is to make them chase you and take advantage of their pursuit path. Basically go about your business in a moonwalk. It’s unintuitive, so most people won’t do it and end up chasing one survivor around forever because that works against non meta builds.
I think I've come to the conclusion that the devs want survivors to rely more on passive/active skills rather than actual mechanics
Of course, gotta spend money to get them
Something people should note, they are geared to protect each other and escape as needed. So chances are, if Iron focused someone without d-change, somebody else is nearby to lend them a hand should their cooldowns be in play. I feel the only way to get any real downs is to exhaust all of their cooldowns and then spot and snipe the ones coming to help without getting melted by the level 4. Taking some down during a jumping would help, but then he'd be faced with keeping them down for a whole minute while others keep him busy, which means he's not going to be moving much, and an easy target.
It looks like there is somewhat a fightback before the stm is out, if you take cover and make them come to you. But then there is the chance they may not do that until they have you surrounded. Unless the raider player has a way to directly counter a premade, it's always going to be in their hands over the raider. You'll just have to take them out before they get started, which in baby case, a raider whose lv1 is easily spotted and can't pick up dragon balls. Goodluck with that as you'll be relying on screw-ups, or spawning within 3 seconds of someone who chooses to call flying nimbus and catching them in that animation before they fly off.
Yeah, that first match was miserable. We've all been there in competitive games, suddenly finding people who seem to be robots following flowcharts to maximize success with no regard for fun or being sporting. I wouldn't believe anyone on the team that said they played that way because they all just really enjoy using walls and running away.
Like bro what do they want? For every raider to begin playing the exact same character in the same way? Is that why they hop on a game, just to see that win screen? People will really hit you "its just a game bro chill" while they ain't even playing, just scrolling down their spreadsheet for what they're *supposed* to do.
I'm here for the raging baby gaming arc.
I find so weird that most of your raider matches are against sweaty and premades , while here on SA server i can only fight newbies and i have to let them live so i can level up my raiders
Gotta block those premades all ways once you see them block em and have ppl avoid them
Breakers is so realistic cuz everyone playing this game can't lay their eggs in anyone irl
Devs definitely had no idea when they decided to *Nerf* survivors.
I love this video and the concept of voice over Iron,👌🏾plsss do more now n in the upcoming future 🙏🏾
And we’re gonna see premades being in the top for rank and the leaderboards when it should exclusively only be for Solo Que survivors. Premades should barely get any rewards if more than 3 or in a premade
The thing that annoyed me the most is watching how bad the Raider’s blast tracking is just from Midrange meanwhile the Shenron player is able to snipe you from across the map and do damage, and play keep away with infinite KI and just stay out of your lock on range.
Even not looking at all the firewall spam that’s a major balance issue. They need to nerf the range on that jank hitting you.
This is what happens to a man who gets spammed fire wall... Relatable (Baby is "OP")
you know, i haven't seen much people talk about this, but really, the problem with playing raider right now (something that will only become worse as time goes and becomes worse against premades) is the fact you basically can't kill anyone, because the game has 50 shades of bullshit when it comes to escape skills, stuns and even speed boosters. raiders just don't have the ability to pursue or even damage properly, and sure, aoe on supers is nice, but not like it really matters when the survivors are flying around the air with extra speed and 2, sometimes 3 different evasion skills. The jumping is bad, key rushing too, but it wouldn't be so bad if you could realistically kill survivors, but unless you're level 3 cell (and good lucking getting there) you'll have a REALLY hard time.
16:19 Iron if it makes you feel better everyone else in the community hates them too
I don't hate them. I hate the changes that the developers did over the lifespan of this game.
legitimately they need to nerf ki blast damage from survivors the further away they are. Playing against that shit is so unfun I don't even play raider anymore because the same shit happens every match, they run away and try to snipe then jaco ship away unpunished because raiders aren't allowed to have fun unless they like getting their teeth kicked in from survivors who avoid you like you have covid.
We love dragon ball the breakers ❤❤
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Honestly I'm questioning if I even like this game anymore
Baby should get a damage reduction buff based on the total number of infected civilians still on the map.
On god premades are genuinely annoying deal with,
The stuns, the escape skills,
And op transpheres really go to show how broken survivor STILL is even with the recent nerfs.
But the fact we can never have teammates like this is crazy.
I feel like the wizard of Pizza wasn’t a part of the premade judging from the levels.
25:50 had me rollin
@Ironcane my bad I came at you pretty hard last time. I'm actually happy that you know, how you be acting when you really get into it. But at the end of the day, we are all human so keep being human.
I'm pretty I made it very clear that night that I was salty and talked a lot of shit during the game out of pure frustration.
After the game it is what it is, maybe I'll be a little annoyed but it's not that deep.
@@ironcane sometimes we just can’t help it, to do what our soul wants to do.
Yeah, I would've blocked every single one of them. That just hurt to watch.
“When no one comes to Ironcane’s defense, Ironcane arrives. Ironcane defends Ironcane!” Next time on Dragonball Z!
The team running all walls seem a bit memey but surprisingly effective
Honestly surprised I didn't see a single stun
19:30 Your active was just on cooldown...
imagine if that first team with infinite d changes also got supplies and could spam dodge, so glad for the nerfs but obviously wasn't enough.
I had a first taste of this today. My first time too. Holy crap
The problem is the difference in "meta" play with premades or ranked. But the game has to be balanced for randoms too.
if the game was balanced around premades, the buffs id give to baby are:
-3 infections to hit level 2
-lvl1 baby footsteps become SILENT for the currently controlled civ
-lvl2 baby on, ALL infected civs become active and wander the map. seeking out survivors and maybe other civs to infect. on contact, the same interaction as now except maybe baby isn't alerted to the location of the survivor
i think the problem is baby doesn't have much pressure throughout the map as well as his lvl1 slowing everything down. the lvl2 active survivors would hopefully help him get some more pressure on the map to keep survivors from having the absolute run of the place and help baby level up (this limits how long you can potentially stay in level 2 though).
of course, this would be broken against randoms, but it would slow down the efficiency in premades and keep them in check. fun to dream though...
id block them 😅
Does that work? I've played a few different types of games before, and even if I block them, I still get matched with them.
@@slash5235 i do it to cope🤣. my brother says it works but not right away. to be fair when i block people i dont usually see them a day or 2 later but ive never gotten confirmation
@@SunlightAldoNo it works it works like the Amount of Times I'm Blocking has been kinda Outrageous and honestly I feel like for Rank you are Justified in doing so hell I think these Premades know to so if you don't like them make them wait longer just like you have to in queue.
I would have dipped the second I saw a team of level 300s that's surely a premade as I know it will be a match where the possibility of winning is essentially nonexistent and knowing you will just be playing as the ultimate survivor/punching bag against 7 raiders. I wouldn't care if I could just go right back into another raider match but when it takes 1-2 hours of queuing for and playing 5-6 survivor matches there is no way I can accept getting the shaft like that.
it’s crazy you can know where a key and it be pointless unless you have some kind of summon to cover you like the saibamen or zamasu. even mid ones like burter are so much better than having no disruptions as baby
Why is every premade a bunch of men playing as female characters?
Ucks don’t have no girls irl so the cac is their climax 🥵
They know they’ll never see a real woman
How is this any fun at all for them? I’d be bored after the first game. It takes zero skill and effort. I guess they get off on ruining the game for other people? This isn’t even ranked lmfao
How would you even fix this though? Like it wasn't stun spam or anything. Obviously fixing the change-tech would help, but otherwise, what would you do? Like, would you stop survivors from being able to use movement actives during D-change? Or maybe making it so ki blasts had a lot more of a fixed range? Cause tbh, I can't see a feasible way to fix this issue without majorly changing the game from the ground-up.
You can change a lot but you generally would have to think about every little detail. The main thing you want to tackle is the exploitative garbage
The thing is, how do you balance things and nerf premades without hurting solo queue anymore?
Bro I just got baby as raider and I didn’t even get to level 3 no where near I just got lvl 2 and survivors were already had dragon balls and stm
I'm new but I feel some stuff that could improve this game:
1. Ability to save presets of costumes. With dress up being a big part of the game I'd like to save a few outfits you know. Ninjala (trust me that game has its own problems but saving outfits isn't one of them) has the ability to save set ups and costumes.
2. Ability to use fighter souls on unlocking abilities and not just super attacks. Sorry but that 1% bull on a 10 draw is awful and with so many games being forced (thankfully) into removing gambling from their games I'm shocked that breakers is getting away with this bullshit still.
I havent touched the game since I blew through the Pan event tier and literally a minute or two just to summon ssj4. I'm just so bored of Breakers cuz this season is so underwhelming and lame. Premades are still an issue cuz the devs did terrible nerfs, butchering normal survivor gameplay and also premades still being OP af. They didnt nerf the apporiate skills and passives (mostly stuns, walls, instant rise, jaco ship, unconscious control etc.) because they want people to spend money to get the "meta" skills, it's fcking ridiculous. Low effort slop this season smh.
Like iron told himself, should of focused the other survivors, cause you will struggle to catch up a shenron/ST running
Honestly I was disappointed to see Baby doesn't have is actual 1st form. The Civillian aspect to him is excellent in concept but not that great in execution. Maybe they should give him his original 1st form and make him weaker outside ofna civilian and the civilian takeover/teleporting to other civilians could be an ability instead. Then you have a more mobile and weak form of Baby and a stronger less mobile civilian form.
just block em i would not care
I learned not to take it like you’re actually insulting them personally and just enjoy the video
Welcome to breakers season 6 just drop the game bro have fun on something better
As bad as your lost were at least that was a good catch on the oolong in the first game.
This is why I camp premades constantly. If they want to win, maintain your numbers then. If you get downed that's on you.
By eliminating players, that's 4 less Active skills and passive skills on the board, 4 Active and 4 passives that 90% of the time are Meta and essential to premades.
Plus these are Steam players for sure. Usually in the US it's Playstation, no way they ain't PC players
Instant rise killed this game for me
Bro that's some crazy gameplay.
Makes me not wanna play, lol.
I haven’t played for real in a few weeks and watching this brings back all those feelings i had playing this.
I’ve been taking a break and don’t know if I’m going back.
If you can call this gameplay, they use vpn so if they get caught by any miracle they can bs get out of the attack, they use walls not Just for utility, they already know how fking annoying it is, and the puar skin Just tills raiders more, this is no gameplay, they Just annoy raiders at this point, they make a game that is already a pain to get into much worse Just because they can, or they really believe this is some freaking ESport and winning like this Will get them something more than a shitty stickers, and the devs Just keep giving skills that make it more easy to do every banner and season, premades can now get shenron at 2 to 3 minutes while the raider is playing catch, Just seeing the lvl 4 running away like that with zero real counter is bs, and the sad part is that It doesnt even need to do damage all the time, Just being annoying with supers and cannon ki blast is enough, because Im 100% sure it had all the speed increase passives, why even bother with base dmg when some of the supers deal 80 cost supers dmg with all while the normal d-change stall the raider with resistance and memories of battle, this teams are Just killing the game, no one wants to play because of this, and if they do end Up playing, 70% of them body camp now or play like a-holes out of fear or spite to survivors
I hate pre-made so much.
Ironcane suffering complation 😭
Yo,could you test that build with full damage reduction passives?
If any androids comes android 19 and 20 should come so they can absorb the key blast and power wall. That would be so op and than their level 4 is 18 and 17 or 16.
Just goes to show that survivor skills still need to be nerfed. Not dodges or any other "lip service" updates.
3 minute dragon balls go crazy
10:42 Did the lvl 4 on the first video did a mid-air jump animation to tranverse faster? is this a cheat/bug or there some kinda trick to it or something?
if u use Change (Camo) skill u get that animation
9:34 2 walls 🙉
I’m now watching breakers stuff from the sidelines instead of a participant.
Cause this is ridiculous.
I won’t play against premades this season, all the f***ery we’ve been forced to experience, don’t need the added stress of 7 people sitting on comms acting like they’re good.
I remember going against two of those people on that list.
$400 in and still no ssj4 Goku just God speed God Goku every god damn time. RIGGED
We have both skill with less then 1mill zeni like I said meh atm
@@ryujigoda3445 I'm just trying to get the transphere not the skill
@@BuggzyBX 👀
Iron, you play terribly from the beggining and immediately fall behind. The only thing that could go differently since you refuse to adjust is for the survivors to literally offer themselves up to you so you can get your level 2. Even after you finally transform you refuse to tunnel survivors (besides the level 4 who you refuse to ignore even for 1 sexcond) and constantly just chase whatever is on your screen, hopping from survivor to survivor each with their skills ready to go
LOL okay man, you wanna give this group a go? I'd be happy to set it up for you!
If the players aren’t good then doesn’t that make you bad?
Not necessarily. The game favours survivors very much.
I mean they are using builds, VPNs and, firewalls to effectively make some of them nigh invulnerable. So how do you win as raider if you can't damage the survivors?
The simple answer is that you can't. No amount of skill can overcome effectively invincible survivors. The survivors only lose if they screw up enough to lose said effective invincibility.
I finally pulled instant rise which is pretty cool
Nuggets and broccoli? Wtf I feel bad for you bro
1:41 2:02 Someone clip this out of context.
I love the game but the meta has gotten out of hand if you don’t have instant rise Jaco ship or instant transmission you’re at a disadvantage and they make it almost impossible to get those skills i’m still having a lot of fun with the game with my launchpad and grappler 😂 and Vegeta
well Jaco ship was free if you did the pass last season, but you can always missile and grappling hook to escape. smokescreen can also help while you are running away with missile to prevent getting shot or locked on with aoe supers. And those 3 skills are f2p friendly, its not as good as instant rise and Jaco ship but its an alternative.
Sweating so hard in unranked
I honestly don't think there is a point to playing Baby I this game. He's an actual full on handicap when playing raider you are already pretty behind on things.
I like watching cane play but I complained about survivors last season and in his words he responded “wait till season 6”. Season 6 is here and nothing changed but them steering me away from playing the game. I played two raider matches and haven’t touched it since. This season like last season is unfun to play as raider. Solo Q is nightmare and playing raider is worse somehow. The game is fucked and the only way for it to get better is to stop funding them. Breakers won’t nerf survivor skills because it gives them money from their very and I mean VERY shitty gacha system. Honestly I spent more money on breakers than most games I play consistently and I’m disappointed that I don’t see myself playing it in the future.
I would to see anyone else stall this long with lvl 4 ngl… 3 keys found and placed :p
Pussy 😂
Playing with premade should make the game harder for you. Reduce dc or loot for example.
I'm not dealing with this bc i'm only playing survivor. I play with friends and we're just having fun. This game is not made to be competitive anyway.. if i want to compete i'll just go on competitive games like cs2.
Baby is just bad against good players
Honestly, I don’t mind the salt
the thing at 24:38 isn’t VPN that’s what happens when you melee to cancel the raider’s dash skill, you both do a weird stunned animation. but if you do it to baby’s dash he can get a free melee off on you if he just spams melee after that happens. you can always try it in practice if doubting
Regardless not sure if that should be a thing and VPNs DO effect hit detection even if it wasn't in that exact situation.
Still BS
@@ironcane Baby has priority, you can't cancel this on lvl1 lol