The Cycle of Time (Battlestar Theory)
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- This is a very speculation based discussion video about the apparent links between the Lords of Kobol, Greek Mythology and the characters of Battlestar Galactica. It's of my opinion that the tales of Greek Lore are supposed to be derived from the Kobol religion and stories of the exodus from the 12 colonies all merged together as tales tend to do.
Even if not true, (and likely note) it still makes for some fun analogies I think.
if you want more Battlestar lore:
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I always thought that both versions of Battlestar galactica happened in the same universe and it's just two of many times that the cycle has repeated.
I think that might have been part of the point of "all this has happened before and will happen again".
So the reboot series wasn't a reboot at all, but a continuation of the cycle.
they also hint at it when starbuck interogates the cylon and he starts saying that it's always slightly different (refering to the fact that at least once she was male and played by face from the A-team)
Wow! I like that. Gives my mind a piece of gum to chew on.
This. If the cycle is “humans always develop cylons and get almost wiped out, cylons always try to become more human to the point that they make their own cylons,” then the ending everyone hates makes perfect sense. Humans tried to break the cycle by destroying all their tech, but the red stripe cylons would eventually build human-forms again, especially since they have no other way to procreate. The descendants of those human-forms would be the colonials from the original series, who then created their own centurions like the 13th tribe did.
Trippy and a great take on things
"This has all happened before, and will happen again." is the famous quote from the series, and while if I remember correctly Galactica has been destroyed in pursuit of breaking the cycle I would say a completely different quote fits in here as well "those that do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
There is nothing new under the sun. Book of eclesiastics
@@steveststeve2440 Ok. THAT hit me deep.
Exactly. The stupid "tabula rasa" made by the people of the 12 colonies on Earth is the most fertile soil to repeat the whole damn geocide and suffering.
and we are currently repeating it by building once again the AI and Robotic....Thousand of years and what have we learn....
@@Hyunckel To be fair our AI is far from that level. Our AI models are based on real brains in a way, but the resemblance is distant at best, the way they function is fundamentally different, and I don't mean the difference between flesh and silicon, I mean the difference in function and behaviour and communication. I am unsure whether a neural network the way they currently are could be sentient even if that was our goal when training it. It would try to simulate conscious response and behaviour, but it wouldn't be truly experiencing any emotions, just pretending them in a completely different method to us. I mean, it could (and already does) get accurate enough to fool people, but something like GPT for example has no thoughts of its own or emotions, it just pretends how people speak.
Meanwhile in BSG the original cylon AI was based directly on the human mind, and the first sentient AI was literally a copy of a dead girl, I wish Caprica didn't get cancelled on season 2 because I honestly liked the show, and even if it wasn't perfect it was exploring a very interesting part of the history of the franchise.
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” I always keep this in mind when thinking of the Lords of Kobol.
In my opinion they were most likely humans from a previous cycle of time who led humanity in an exodus to Kobol, but while the rest of humanity regressed technologically and forgot their origins, the “lords” retained their knowledge and were thus seen as gods. There’s also the very real possibility that they had access to resurrection technology, giving the illusion of immortality.
But in bringing with them the old knowledge, so too did they carry over and repeat the sins which had led them to their exodus in the first place. Realizing too late the damage they caused, they sent greater humanity out into the stars, whilst preferring to die with Kobol, hoping that their sins would die with them and that their children would not repeat their mistakes.
But all of this had happened before, and all of this would happen again...
I think you're pretty much spot on their Rick, I know very little of Greek mythology, but when you point certain elements out in regards to what little I do know on the subject, it ties up. I never actually thought much about the characters' names whilst I watched it. But what I do know 100% is that BSG was possibly one of the finest TV series I have ever watched in my entire life, and believe me I've been a TV addict for over 40 years! Nice one, many thanks; will watch the Kobol one next.
BSG: One of the greatest shows ever, and too short
Honestly I think it's the perfect length. It doesn't feel rushed at all, and yet it never feels like padding.
The first series in 1978 was absolutely too short. But the reboot was perfect in its length
I really wish SyFy would make a prequel series set during the First Cylon War.
Midway 1942 They had webisodes about a young Bill Adama as a rookie piolit. BSG Blood & Chrome. Same producers
@@havu2236 They truly should have made more, cause it was rather good.
Not exactly a series but there is a game Battlestar Galactica Deadlock that follows the first cylon war.
@@havu2236 David Eick produced Blood and Chrome but unfortunately Ron Moore wasn't involved because he was locked in a contract with Sony TV at the time. He gave his blessing but wasn't involved in the writing or production and it shows. Not to say Blood and Chrome is bad, but with only some of the original crew and writers involved it just didn't feel like Battlestar to me personally...more like a fan film. It lacked depth and had ham-handed callbacks (call-forwards?)
They did it's the 1980s version
I wished my memory of this series can be erased so I can watch it again without not knowing what was going to happen in each episode. The last episode is the most dramatic ending to any show I have ever seen. Realising they existed before the dawn of man on our earth was a brilliant revelation. Whenever I watch a new show, especially a sci fi one, I am usually heard muttering "it's not BSG though" after a couple of episodes and switch off.
For all of this has happened before, and it will happen again.
The ending made no sense. Trash ending.
Then again... wouldn't it make more sense that Colonel Thigh was Ares? A warrior, not a leader, that had a romantic involvement with Aphrodite, which was Caprica 6.
And, in that logic... wouldn't Baltar be Hephaestus? The smith of the gods, inventor that craved for the hand of Aphrodite as well?
but was Aphrodite not given to Hephaestus as a wife by Zeus? if memory serves when Zeus first laid eye on Aphroditie he demanded she marry him. to this the goddess of Beauty laughed in his face and insulted Zeus. in response Zeus commanded she be married to Hephaestus in cruel Irony. the peerless beauty force to marry a god cast off of olympus by his wife (Hera) for being too ugly.
Hephaestus never craved for the hand of Aphrodite, why would he crave for something that was already his? if anything keeping track of his wayward spouce was a colossal chore. (a bit like Saul trying to keep track of Ellen)
I always thought Chief tyrol was Hephaestus
Tyrol or Baltar. Both were creators of some sort.
6 is Hecate
Baltar is Hades
Gaita is Poseidon
Ellen Tigh is Aphrodite
Tyrol is Hephaestus
Sol Tigh is Ares
Cain is Dionysus
That is interesting, especially since I would argue that Tigh's actual wife had all the traits of Aphrodite as well. Not a connection I had made previously, but it seems plausible.
I'm going to nerd out on this. Here's what we know
1. Kobol wasn't the original home of humans. "life here began out there"
2. The cycle of exodus, creation, destruction is a cycle God is trying to break.
3. God has given everyone free will.
4. When intelligent things are created but are stripped of free will the cycle is restarted.
5. Here's mind bending part, which you get from interviews and other expanded canon material.
You don't really know who created who first. The 13th tribe of cyclons became basically human after fleeing Kobol, then their machine creations turned on them. Kobol is where humans fled after they were driven there by a cycle. Humans were the only tribe there.
Here it comes get ready for it. The humans on kobol, the 13 tribes, were..... Cylons who had become human. Remember where they walked among the Gods? This is Canon, the first inhabitants of Kobol who arrived there were Humanoid cylons who gradually became human just like on Earth and created cylons who turned on them...
So all the 12 colonies, that you thought were human ancestors were actually cylon descendants of humanoid cylons. So going even farther, we have no idea where the actual humans are from, most likely given our Earths inhabitants, with the super nova, the timeline etc, the original first true humans who God created are still out in the stars or simply have evolved on to "angels".
We know the cycle has been going on for atleast half a million years with the timeline of the supernova, evolution on our planet etc. We know the angels aren't changing form and a new Gaius and Six will pop up on earth and we know angle gaius and six are in contact with god, and we know angel six and gaius are atleast, at very least half a million years old.
Mind fuck, I know.
Leto Atreides Ooh! What if the Lords of Kobol that the colonials worship were originally the 12/13 unaging human-form cylon models who fled to Kobol with their more human, organically-reproducing “children” at the end of the last cycle?
So are we Cylons?
@@joeblaster8770 Gathering from the Series Finale we are 1/3 Neanderthal (or whatever those creatures were that our beloved characters were observing) 1/3 Cylon and 1/3 Galactica Humans.
@@maciekgutkowski8075 but I don't get cave man strength or robot powers? Damn.
@@joeblaster8770 I was talking about the show bro and not reality. Although if this was all true it would explain why humanity is so complex, confusing and contradictory as it comes to our nature and instincts ... we would have 3 separate parts in our own psyches, thoughts and bodies fighting for dominance. We would have a more animalistic cave-man part (Neanderthal), a more robotic/scientific part (Cylon) and a more spiritual/religious part (Galactica Humans) ... mind you, don't we actually have those 3 parts in us as a species??? Food for thought ;-)
So that Greek dude from Ancient Aliens would get such a chub from this vid...
"Not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens..."
I always got the feel the "primordial Eve" in the magazine the man reading is Hera given the comments from Gaius and 6.
This was confirmed at a Comicon panel a few years ago.
Safebox Gaming which is kind of sad if you think about it because the primordial Eve they were talking about will still young meaning she didn't exactly survive and live a long life.
'Mitochondrial Eve' - and yes, that is EXACTLY who that is. It's not even a little unclear.
Because she's the earliest bridge between Colonist and Cylon DNA.
...damn...I didn'r read this comment...also spontaneously reached the conclusion... :)
While watching the series, I had the same thought. I also thought that Cottle has similarities with Asclepius (As sebas frankes also mentioned in a comment). Gaius bears resemblance to Hermes (messenger of the gods and also a trickster who puts himself first).
MORE OF THIS PLEASE!
I just stumbled upon your channel and these BSG lore-mythology videos are amazing
I wonder if the human - Cylon war in BSG was an inspiration for the Quarian and Geth War 'morning war' in Mass Effect.
Their creations rose up against them, they didn't hear from the machines as they grew hidden in space and then came back invading.
"... over-analysis of a fictional universe because the real one kind of sucks."
Agreed. 🙁
You both are idiots. Hey asshat if you don't like this universe leave it. Walk in front of a bus.
"Over analysis of fictional universes" - the hallmark of geeks everywhere. 😁
@@UkrainianPaulie show us how it's done. We'd hate to screw it up on the first try.
I think that the similarities between the characters in Battlestar Galactica and the Greco-Roman myths were intentional by the writing team.
I think that all of the main characters in the show could be linked to either an Olympian or one of the lower tier gods in the Greek and Roman Pantheons.
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There was a complex "chain of command" with these gods, as there was the Council of Olympus, then descending groups of gods sort of stacked below each other.
There was also extreme variances with their continuity as each city state of Ancient Greece had their own "take" on the myths of their gods, so much so that it gets confusing if you try to make sense out of them as a group.
In some cases Aphrodite and Hecate were Titans who joined Zeus against Cronos and some where they were gods like the rest of the Olympians.
In some stories Hades was part of the Council of Olympus, in some he was an outcast and not one of them.
Some where Hephaestus was also an outcast as well, some where he was a God of Olympus.
There were also differences in "who did what" in their stories as well.
At least the Roman depictions of them, where most of the established stories we know of them were "set in stone", were far more consistent.
I would like to think it was intentional. You just don't see that kind of depth these days. Can you imagine discussing the lore of modern shows in 10 years?
I agree with the repearing cycle of humans making robots. Robots rebellion, humans traveling to a new planet and losing there technology and repeating.
Can throw in the Dune tale into that Circle of Ouroboros as well.
The connection between Artemis, Zeus and Apollo is pretty solid. I want to point out that Zeus is the one who gives fate to people as a lord of kobol, which connects very well to William Adama.
Is it possible to connect Anders to Ares? When Kara Thrace prays to Artemis, she also holds a statue of Ares in her hands. Anders is also a buccaneer.
Hecate is definitely one of the final five. The final five invented resurrection technology(which connects them to both necromancy and the underworld) and the episode where 4 of the final 5 are revealed is called "Crossroads". Hecate is also depicted as a goddess of crossroads. And given Hecate is a woman, there are two options of the final five, Ellen Tigh or Tory Foster. The final five also know the location of earth along with Starbuck.
Hecate accepting human sacrifice could be due to Tory Foster killing Tyrol's wife and child for trying to find out the truth.
Could Number 1 be Kronos? Kronos didn't like his children(in this case the other cylon models) and imprisoned them because they feared their downfall. This would mean Kronos to be the missing god.
Perhaps Tyrol can be connected to Poseidon? The blessing of space-going vessels has a parallel to Tyrol maintaining them.
Are we sure there are just 12 lords of Kobol? I am seeing some parallels between Saul Tigh and Dionysius(he has been set to have been "one of the few characters who can bring back a person from the underworld"). 13 is also an important number. Saul Tigh has been known to have affairs and to drink frequently.
Number One might have been Phthonus the personification of jealousy and envy.
As Phthonus was a master manipulator, like One was and he got all the other models into small conflicts with each other like Phthonus did to the Olympian Gods.
The Olympian Gods were only the "ruling body" of the rest of the Ancient Greco-Roman gods, there were multiple other groups of gods below them.
Eg. Hypnos, Nemesis, Nike, Janus, Iris etc.
The Missing God would be a creative good related to something "Positive" like Music Poetry or Diplomacy - They were murdered due to disagreeing with the war on Humanity - or with the power structure it's implied isn't it ?
It's funny as the actually show isn't really about this stuff - it's more like a rather dull melodrama for the most part and it's a show I feel has ages very poorly indeed. The biggest problem with it for me at least is pretty much EVERYONE is unlikable at one point or another. The only difference is the direction of if they get start off worse and get nicer or the reverse.
Kira is an especially unlikable brat to me - I used to prey 6 would snap her neck.
But to be fair everyone on the show is so objectionable it may as well have been Written by Rian Johnson or one of the Kasdans.
Funny really as I liked the show initially - but by the final two seasons I grew to kinda hate it.
Tory didn't kill the child.
1 was killed by the other cylons 1 is not missing
Greystone creator of the Cylon robots on Caprica Is it possible to connect Greystone to Hephaestus? God of craftsmen, blacksmiths, carpenters, craftsmen, fire, metalworking, metalworking, sculpture
This show was such a masterpiece, really miss it
It's the only DVD box set I own.
Lovely, great! Shows me the show in a new way. I've listened to all of Ronald D. Moore's commentaries I don't recall him mentioning this but it works so well maybe they wanted to keep it close to the vest.
Greek mythology has always been my favorite, and I definitely saw the the links too,
You forget Hera was discovered to be the foundation of modern Earth human life. Hence, the mother of all...
BSG is the best and the most conclusive series of all times.
It's really not a positive experience when you hope the cylons will win.
You need to watch Babylon 5
So say we all.
I loved this. Now I have to rewatch it all
"Zeus created a great flood, washing away the unworthy" quote from lords of kobal video. Events of the last mission on the valkyrie with the stealthstar crossing the line triggering the 2nd cylon war, flooding the colonies with radiation
Interesting hypothesis, god I loved that series! I drag the box set out every couple of years and binge watch it :-)
Yeah the projector theory is one I hold. They found the last cycle when they found Earth. They may find 50k year old ruins on another even older cycle. Kinda like mass effect cept different.
Something I think Starbuck is some kind of disgraced Valkyrie.
More like a Bohdisatva...the vedic hymn as the theme song might be a clue
@@mitchellsmith4690 Never heard a prayer sounds so godsdamned metal as "Apocalypse".
Such a deep, well thought out show. It really makes you think.
Outstanding and thought provoking article I reallocate liked how you accurately combined your solid knowledge of the deeper themes of bag with Greek mythology. Looking forward to more of your writings. So say we all!
I just found your video and I feel like I have a new understanding of the whole series.
I’m a Druid with many Pagan and Wiccan friends who follow the Olympian gods, or their Roman counterparts, and I have to say I really enjoyed this video :) I believe also that it’s so easy to compare main characters in Galactica to people we know, in our own ordinary human lives, that it could be said this narrative really helps to humanise what might really be considered “divine figures” like the Lords of Kobol, and their mythical basis.
Thankyou for doing this video. And don’t be afraid to cover more themes like this in sci-fi in future. You might be surprised at how many of your viewers and fans are into it!
We have knowledge of the Lords of Kobol not from oral histories spanning 150,000 years but because we possess Cylon genes which allow for the organic transfer of memory. This also explains why our civilization so closely resembles that of the Colonials in terms of dress and custom. These things come to us from our collective race memory gifted to us by Hera.
Also, the great pain (and that fact that such pain is centered in the head) leading to the birth of Athena could be seen as a broader metaphor for the Human/Cylon relationship.
You had me at "I'm not crazy, honest "
This was not only the best sci/fi tv show in history, it was the best drama we will ever see on television.
BSG had such a unique and satisfying ending. So RARE in tv today.
HA
Yeah it's a shame that the writer's strike forced the shows creators to cut the last two seasons in half and making them leave several side plots unresolved.
Still a pretty solid show considering.
the ending is one of my favourate show endings, yet it still has unanswered questions (some of which i don't mind, not everything needs answers but what's with starbuck?).
It was ridiculous..Starbuck just disappeared?Come on
This is half true. The strike did cause the split, but a full 20 episode 4th season was always going to be the last one and it is mostly represented as one if you look at IMDB and other relevant pages.
Season 5 only ever existed to sell DVDs
I understood the cycle idea from the first time I saw the ending ( I liked the ending). "This has happened before, and it will happen again." The line is repeated over and over. Our Earth is part of another cycle. It's up to us. Do we continue it, or do we break it?
I was really hoping to see some discussion of the cycle of time in the series.
For instance, you find that the 5 were from the race that created their cylons and then headed in one direction while the 12 cylon races went another direction. Yes, the humans were the cylons of the previous cycle.
In each cycles, the creations added something to the beginning of the next. As such the living race is constantly improving.
In this video you mentioned that they found a race similar when they found the new home and that their data said they could have interbred. There is no indications this happened, BUT it would explain the "missing link" between us and the earlier race that lived here.
I often wonder if anyone noticed that the reason the cylons could not have children is they thought of themselves as machines. ONLY when they forgot this, could they conceive and only by not thinking of themselves as machines could they bear that child. None of the men could stop thinking of themselves as male and when they forced human women to bear their children the women saw it as rape and them as machines so they could not bear the children.
When they were undercover but knew who they were, they could still not have children. ONLY when Sharon forgot temporarily that she was a machine was she able to conceive. Then because she was so much in love, she thought of herself as human and thus bore the only living hybrid.
It was THIS child that is consider the eve of the human race.
In alternate ending they wanted the humans of today Earth find the wreak of Battle-star Galactica 125000 years later that would be so cool.
That's the premise of the story in the game Homeworld. Humankind, having exhausted their planet, begin construction on a mothership, requiring mining deeper into the earth than ever before, and end up finding the remnants of the mothership that took them there.
Hera= Mother also Mitochondrial Mother of "all of us". I guess... ;) .
Very good video! I really appreciated!!!!
Starbuck’s last name is Thrace. Artemis is one of the three gods worshipped by the Thracians (the others, equally pertinent to Kara’s personality, are Ares and Dionysus).
I like these theories, including the Athena one. Very interesting.
Michael Moore's dvd's explained that greatest SIN and the reason they got kick out Kobal they made life meaning creating of the Cylons. or maybe sacrifice of people (altars) or experiments.
I always thought the Ai collective figured out that in order for the collective to be born they reluctantly had to chase the humans into a time dilation and reject technology.
Interesting theory.
The problem I have with the way BSG ended is the writers made the colonials find and settle on Earth in the distance paste, so Hera could become the "Mitochondrial Eve" whose remains are found in our present. But somehow the lords of Kobol are supposed to influence the Greko-Roman pantheon which only become part of a practiced religion relatively recently. It took many thousands of years of cultural and social development before someone decided to copy the Kobol lords.
I like the idea of the mitochondrial Eve thing, but it would have made more sense if they landed closer to Greek times.
Shermos According to the show, All Along the Watchtower was written by at least three different people-Anders, Starbuck’s dad, and Bob Dylan-thousands of years apart. Where you headcanon it as “genetic memory” or “divine inspiration,” it amounts to the same thing: complex ideas can reappear totally independent of each other. Why not the Kobol/Greek pantheon?
I just stumbled onto these videos this morning. Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
5:00 don't forget the saying "happy hunting" whenever the vipers would go out. Starbuck even reminded Apollo he wasn't being the CAG by telling people to be careful.
They need to make another series worthy of being a successor to BSG, Caprica was just such a teenage angst driven disappointment.
They have..it is called The Expanse
JJ Thomas LOL, you know... if they only found an abandoned raptor parked in a carter park n the moon... seriously probably all they would have to do
Expanse is good, but nowhere near BSG good.
They need to make another series worthy of the original BSG.
It could have a premise of Earth receiving a transmission at it's SETI receivers. The premise: look I'm telling you it keeps repeating!!! A message 150 thousand years to deliver. "something about a distress from a planet called....capi no wait Caprica!! " It says something about a catastrophe. On the eve of the first warp driven Earth ship leaving to Jupiter, a journey that has happened before, is now about to happen again. The show could be called "Children of the Twelve". Where Earth had invented AI as well, but it has become a companion of man, not his replacement.
No, I think you are right on point and none of it is a stretch. Very good job! This is exactly what I was searching for. Wish you did more lol.
And when Starbuck went back to get the arrow, there was a quick scene where one of the "watchers" was shown, but that is all that we see of them.
THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO, SUPRISED IT DOESNT HAVE MORE VIEWS TBH, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK MATE. damn caps :(
I think that chief tyrol is pretty similar to hephaestus. Both of them mechanics. Also hephaestus is the brother of athena and chief used to be with valerie in the start of the series
What you say about Roslin about how quickly she could turn on the menace is spot on. The Ur example for me is right after the Colonials had recaptured Baltar, and she came to see him in his cell.
At first she was all professionalism, even a bit casual, until she realizes he wasn't going to talk, and goes from calm to scary in .0005 seconds. She's suddenly throwing pictures of dead colonials at him asking him if he remembered them. He starts protesting, but she doesn't care, she just steams head now shouting at him, then screaming for Saul to get in there and Baltar to be spaced immediately. Her hair was disheveled, and she was out of breath by the end of the scene, looking like something out of a half remembered dream you had one hot summer nigh...
Wait, was I saying?
And why do I keep thinking the words "legislate me, mommy"?
The Lords of Kobol are a particular group of Ancients (Alterans) that as yet have not been identified by Dr. Daniel Jackson. But you don't see the link, because you haven't watched SG1 series yet. One of these days you will need to break down and watch it, Rick. Then watch SG Atlantis, and Universe. Hopefully, we'll be getting a new SG series soon.
I like your interpretation; thanks for posting it.
4:25 Also, remember, in the original BSG "Starbuck"" was male... And named after another literary character.
I thought they would have had the three sisters of fate(Antrops, Lanchesis and Clotho) and can you please do a video on the Zentradi from SDF Macross (not Robotech).
I think that the Fates were possibly the three "signposts" that led them to "First Earth".
The tomb on Kobol, The Supernova mural in the temple that Chief Tyrell figured out and the discarded ancient probe that got the Cylon's sick.
Neil Price they would have to had been people (of cylons) as Antrops is the instagator of fate, Lanchesis is the enactor of fate and Clotho is the closer of fate(death) so certain people would have to fit the bill but I don't know who.
Lee - I would totally agree is an Apollo type character (especially when you consider his marriage and how Apollo was always a tragic lover)
Kara - I would think is more Thanatos of Eris since she has a more bringer of Death or Discord arch to her main character. Eris works particularly well since there is a lot of arguments over if she had a father or not and her mother is Nyx in the versions where she has no known father that makes her the daughter of the goddess of darkness
Captain Adama - I would agree is the head of the Pantheon, but I would suggest he represents the Pantheon that was headed by Poseidon since they made such a big deal about him being from Tauron and the colony being a bread basket and legal hub of the Colonies that it would make sense to tie him to an Earthly power rather than a Heavenly power god, plus Poseidon watched over all sailors and space fairing militaries are treated more like a Navy then a Air Force.
The 8's - I don't really know who I would attribute them to specifically since their characters change a lot depending on which 8 it is but I would agree Athena is one of the more common character themes they do with
Rosilin - I would think is more Themis or possibly even just a Pythia incarnation since she serves more as an Oracle type in the main points plus even when she wasn't President of the Colonies anymore Captain Adama still always consulted her about battle plans before carrying them out and an ancient Greek and Roman thing was "you don't go to war before talking to Oracle first."
The 6's - I would suggest are more Peitho than Aphrodite since Peitho is more "I'm so hot and sexy won't you please follow me to your death" and Aphrodite is more "I'm madly and deeply in love with you and want to spend the rest of my life with you" in terms of the kind of seduction they represent... plus her lover was Hermes who was the messenger, healer, and trickster god of the Greco Roman Pantheon... and who does that sound like it could be?
I always thought this view was interesting as there was actually a religion based on the 12 signs of the zodiac
Thanks for this. I've often wondered that as well given all of the names of greek gods and goddesses splashed about.
Holy cow level. You might have just changed my opinion of Rosilin. During one of my earlier re-watches I began to despise the character. It was pissing me off that every single time she had the chance to do the right thing and not be the scorpion she would sink the stinger in the backs of the Cylons. Your theory/analogy makes the character much more understandable. Maybe even relatable... some day.
Hera is the goddess of women, marriage, and childbirth. In a way, she is the mother goddess. It’s implied that BSG Hera is the mother of mankind, so it makes sense Greek God Hera is based on her.
Admiral Adama is Zeus.... In the End when Boltar says God, 7 says, 'you know he does not like being called that.....
@@SuperG3X What I'm mean is that Adama REALLY is Zeus and Greek myth is REAL. : ) Is that a theory you've heard before?
Admiral Cain is Dionysus not Ares. The goodness and hope Cain brings is like a drug great in a small dose but let her take over and she brings ruin. Also of note the Colony of Scorpia is linked with Dionysus as its patron Lord of Kobol. I always thought that Sharon Valerie was never really an Athena more of a Demeter type with Hera being Persephone and Sol Tigh was Ares. Like you said it's just speculation and not to be taken literally good vid btw.
Yeah you see that in all names meaning like how Smiths were known as what their task-purpose-ability-archetype was hence NEO-SMITH or the 3 times great URANUS-CRONUS-ZEUS which are an order of cycles chaos order multi-verse same for the female 3 times great= RHEA who is EARTH-RHEA-HERA. Notice the letters which are quite relevant in meaning like how the current queen uses ER as a symbol.
The reason why the Lords of Kobol recur as the Twelve Gods of Olympus is not because of tales passed down through time, but because of the Cylon mechanism of Organic Memory transfer. This was imparted to Earth based Humanity through Hera who was half Cylon. This also goes a long way in explaining why many other aspects of the modern world resemble Colonial society.
This is quite far from a stretch. Believe me when I say that creators of any sort of art piece based on mythology, really dwell on what they try to convey by using the mythical references. BSG uses lots of mythical themes and stories not only the gods. Kara's death in the eye for example, the way it is depicted, mirrors the story of Icarus (Kara) and Deadalus (Bill). Classical mythology presents a cyclic understanding of time instead of a linear one. This all have happened before and it will happen again. This line itself is very mythological.
I pretty much agree with you on the whole vid. I really think Kobal was like you said just a respite for humans till they built their machines.
The Greek gods can all be directly traced to the ruling Annunaki beings that ruled Sumeria. Aphrodite for example is Inanna/Ishtar/Venus. The Annunaki created a worker race called the Adamu (humans) who served their masters for a long time, but eventually there was a major political confrontation over their destiny and increasing equality with the Annunaki and war broke out. Sound familiar??
BGG needs a sequel, and it's possible. And easy.
Caprica still exists. There could still be survivors, and they could be looking for earth, with Cylons in tow.
Did I say too much already?
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Athena came inside Zeus head. It was a creation and not a birth.
Lt. Sharon "Athena" Agathon also was a creation as it was a humanoid.
13th Planet/Goddess could be Hestia (Home). A Titan, sister of Zeus. Lesser known goddess but stronger.
Thank you, Rick. You are so pleasant to listen to.
President Rosalyn was the strongest of all the women in the show. She went through more than any other character in the series, except maybe for Starbuck. But I do believe Rosalyn hadmore strength than many of the men, making some of the hardest decisions anyone could have to make, in SciFi or real life.
Really enjoyed this, thanks!
Your comparisons seem right, but I wonder if it's just the irl entertainment structure in general that plays a bigger part. If you throw the names of every movie, tv series, play, and book into a hat (really big hat, at least 10 gallons) and draw randomly any one you choose will have characters representing the greek mythos. We've built our society around around it to such a degree that it's unavoidable.
I like your video and in no way mean to change your conclusions, I'm just expanding with a theory I had when the show was on but I've never voiced it.
That was really good Rick. You may want to do a sequel showing parallels to monotheism.
Ric! I didn't know you covered BSG!?! Or I forgot... Anyway... Loved it.🖖✌
Thanks for your work.
It would be appreciated if you produce more analogy regarding the Battlestar Galactica.
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I am glad to hear someone was thinking the same thing as they watched the show!❤
The God you are missing in your chart at time stamp 9:18, is Gaia, the "Earth Goddess" (Mother Earth). As searching for Earth was the core central theme of the show.
A reboot idea - the tillium ship explodes while heading to the sun. This throws off the trajectory of BSG sending it into a comet like orbit. It returns 125,000 years later and seen as a destructive meteor. The world leaders of Earth plan to destroy it thinking it will wipe out earth but discover that it is a battle ship of old. They find a skeleton in a dried up pool in the Galactica. They eventually figure out how to operate Galactica and make duplicate battle star ships. They also figure out the computer system and star charts. They also find other space craft that return from their comet like orbits and use them to travel and populate other planets. They discover written account of the 12 tribes. The cyclons are bumped into and they want to meet humans, but humans see them as an enemy and are eventually attached and history repeats itself.
I think you're right but Head Baltar did say take your pick: kobol, earth the real earth, caprica. So he never mentioned a planet before kobol. It would have been cool to hear a planet before kobol.
Very nice video, and the comparisons are pretty damn cool, actually. However, the title seems to be a bit misleading? I was expecting some sort of speculation video as to how the actual 'cycle of time' works, but this one seems more like its just trying to find parallels between said cycles.
Great stuff. I think you nailed it.
Good ramble. Quite believe it to align with the fact basis, Intended
Lots of typos in the CC. I'd help edit it, but it's locked. :l
I wish Head Baltar would have said some other planet's name before he said Kobol when Head Six said "Remind you of anything?". That way we could get a clearer picture that Kobol wasn't the first time the cycle started.
Interesting analysis, but... what does it have to do with the mythos and worldview of the Colonies? "All of this has happened before, and will happen again" is a fascinating idea that underlay the entire series. We see it repeated in the myths of the Lords of Kobol, and the Colonials own sense of shame(?) at creating the Cylons, and finally strongly hinted at in the final scene in our modern world. An analysis of THAT cycle is what I was expecting to see (and would still like to, please!). Needless to say, I'm disappointed that you let yourself drift into an explanation of the Greek pantheon and how they mirrored characters. Can you try a part 2, perhaps?
Makes sense to me. After all, they keep saying in the series “all this has happened before and will happen again”
I wish that SyFy would do a series about a generation ship a bit like the one in Alien Covenant run by Robots fleeing Earth and a Terminator style machine genocide. The robots land on a lush Earth like world. Unpack the human and animal embryos and name the world after the ancient programming language Cobol.
Hera’s (the girl in BSG) remains were found by archeologists 150000 years after the colonial fleet landed on earth. Her remains are described as being from a ‘young woman’. Sounds like she didn’t live very long. cause of death is unknown.
If you look hard enough into the rabbit hole the interconnectedness of everything becomes quite noticeable
Kara was quite capable at giving Adama headaches
Had to stop the video in at a 1 minute 30 seconds just to say, finally someone else said it. I've always thought that Cobal wasn't their original home world. and that perhaps they originated from somewhere else because like they said, it'shappened before and it will happen again. And this is the saying from Cobal. In my defense I'm not sure that's how you spell that.
I have always believed it also. It was a continuing cycle that kept going on and on. If they didn't destroy the ships and/or landed/crashed them on the moon eventually we would have went to the moon (which we did) discovered them figured out their computers and realized that these "aliens" are descendants of us and we would have had knowledge of why they came here. But without that knowledge we are on to repeat because we don't know what the preceding cycle knew.
I would actually argue that Baltar is Ares. He is the instrument of chaos, and he constantly switches sides. He is also in love with 6, Aphrodite.
I really enjoyed this - great job
If the cycle has repeated like hundreds or millions of times the galaxy would be full of cylone races.
well thought out. good video
If you have kids I’d imagine they enjoy bedtime stories haha.
There was also a definite presence of snakes as a positive influence in Greek mythology, such as being used in healing rituals. Might have something to do with the Vipers? Also, when fighting the Cylons in ground combat the centurions are huge in comparison, could have something to with fighting the very inhuman Titans. I also guess Cottle could have been an influence for Asclepius, as the myths associated with him emphasize his knowledge and teaching. I could see Cottle grumpily teaching some cavemen about medicine.
I was thinking that, it would mean Number 1 to be Ouranos/Cronus and Cronus to be the missing god. I don't know.
I think the mechanical Cylons were supposed to be Cyclops's and the Raiders were supposed to be something like Harpies.
The missing God might have been Phthonus the personification of jealousy and envy, his power influenced not only himself and mortals, but also the gods as well, he was the one to give rise to Hera's fits of rage over Zeus' affairs. He also got Hera worked up enough to attack Zeus' mortal lovers and his Demigod/Half-blooded offspring. Phthonus was "shunned" by the rest of the gods due to him manipulating them all the time.
Oh yeah didn't even think of that!