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i dont think they removed it because they were afraid it would offend someone but nintendo had a strict "no religion" rule especially back in the day. lots of directly religious icons were removed or written out like the original zelda 1 shield and oot mirror shield
I always thought this was some kinda Mandela effect at work with me cause i had the version with the chant and a friend of mine did not. When i got the game again for the gamecube i distinctly remember telling my friend that the fire temple music sounded off and they just said it sounded the same. Wasn't till YEARS later when the internet was more prominent that we learned the truth. Shit is wild to remember.
If I'm not mistaken, Street Fighter V's soundtrack came under the exact same fire for using the * exact same samples * for the Thailand stage, Temple Hideout, and then immediately fixed it the day after the stage was released. It's interesting seeing how both Kondo and SFV's composers probably used the same library. edit: yeah, they did LOL, this uploader thankfully preserved it before it got taken down. ua-cam.com/video/mQkH0A8sgV0/v-deo.html
And they are tons of franchises that actually utilized the same Islamic chant from the same CD sample disc. Dead or Alive, Parasite Eve, Cruise n' World, Monster Hunter. Recently King of Fighters omitted one classic song from their most recent game KOFXV's jukebox, because it contained the Islamic chant.
I genuinely feel that the song for the fire Temple is incomplete without that chanting I don't know why but it kind of makes the entirety of the temple come to life with the chanting
As a Muslim myself, most Muslim nowadays listens to musics, and some even made songs about Islam itself. And stopping in between chapters isn't forbidden, actually. The one thing that is PROBABLY going to be offensive is the fire temple itself, since in Islam, Satans and Demons are made of fire, and the Fire Temple itself DOES look like hell, with the heat and burn everywhere. Yeah but this is just a mistake and they did fix it so there's no need for conflict and stuffs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wouldn’t many Muslims just find that flattering tho?? I suppose they just wanted to be careful to not be insensitive. But is not Djinni considered a spirit of fire, and referenced by flame on an oil lamp? Are Djinn considered demonic or satanic? I thought that Djinn could be considered holy the same way the holy flame is referenced, so the prayer in a temple of fire seems appropriate to summon a Holy Spirit from the flames as a protector yes?
@@nickonerd Hello! I'll try my best to answer you. Djinns aren't considered as either bad or good, they're simply creature that cannot be seen by humans yet live among us. But Sheitan (satan)'s "subordinates" are djinns, so demons in islam are basically considered to be evil people among djinns. They are indeed made of fire, just like Sheitan , but that doesn't make them inherently evil. I don't think most muslims would find that flattering tho because in our religion, music is prohibited/looked down upon, so mixing sacred recitation of God's words with music, which is considered as a "bad" distraction in our religion, is disrespectful. I think that it is better to leave prayers and sacred recitation alone and to use instead maybe arabic music ? And finally, in islam there is no such thing as a "holy spirit" or a "protector", muslims believe in the true unicity of Allah and his attributes and thinking that anything else than God can protect you from your destiny is considered a sin. I hope I was helpful!! But just in general, I think touching religion is always a no-no. As a North African person I would've been really happy if nintendo used chants or songs from my culture (Arab/Berber) like they did in other soundtracks, especially anything related to gerudos, but using religious prayers... I just feel like this is something sacred that shouldn't be touched :/ even muslims shouldn't play around with it
I always referred to that strange sound in the shadow temple as "the door opening" sound. Every time I heard it, I imagined a large door opening and a heavy gust of wind blowing through. Never would have thought that sound was chanting slowed down. I also had a copy of the original chanting. I remember being a bit confused as a kid getting the game cube Oot and wondering if I imagined the chanting from the original N64. especially because my friends, who also had an N64 copy, didn't have the chanting in their copys.
Favorite game, I was 9 when it came out and hearing the Fire Temple Chant as a Palestinian Syrian blew my mind since I understood it (very out of place but somehow works so well and gives the Fire Temple soul, I can visualize the chanters praying), then the Spirit Temple took me to another dimension, also oddly there was a crescent moon on the mirror shield and stone movable blocks in earlier versions of OoT and originally the Triforce was the Trinity and there was a cross on Link's shield of course. That experience will live with me forever.
Some people claim it isn't islamic chanting, but, as someone who goes to a mosque practically every day.. it really is. It doesn't offend me, though. Altho i can definitely see some extremists being offended by it, unfortunately. Vocal minority, though. It definitely feels sort of oddly creepy and demonic that something so sacred would be played somewhere so evil and wicked, it definitely did it's job well.
It might be interesting if some male choir would record something with the same melody but with different words, maybe even in a Hylian or some other Zelda fictional language.
I imagine time was a big factor then, and the changes Kondo did was probably quicker than trying to bring in a choir to sing something in a fictional language. And in future releases it probably just wasn't considered worth it.
There is a very noticable thing in the list: The music was first changed with the 1.0 PAL version. My theory is that someone at Nintendo responsible for translating the game for European regions must've noticed the chant and reported it back to Nintendo of Japan who quickly switched it out for the 1.0 PAL version and all following ones.
@@kylesimone6140 Oh *I* stereotyped Americans ? He's the one who "quoted" french people with a cliche and innacurate way of speaking and I'm the one who stereotypes people ? Right. It's not because he was joking that it makes it funny.
I was 8 years old when OoT came out. When my brother and I heard this we were so happy. It was muffled and obscured enough to begin with that we didn’t catch what it was at first. Once we heard the very clear call of “La illaha il Allah” I lost it. Imagine the excitement of experiencing this amazing adventure and hearing something you grew up with in the game. For me the Gorons will always be connected to Islam. We were not offended and it honestly is sorely missing from the rereleases. I actually play the original music when I replay on 3DS
That’s the complicated thing about culture. People often pick and choose what things are appropriate to put out culturally even though sometimes that excludes people that would actually benefit from their history being shown.
I have a similar experience. I always thought the Gorons were praying for salvation from Volvagia. I always associate Gorons with Muslims and thought it was so cool for our religion to be represented. When we first heard it, we were so excited and surprised. I still play the original Fire Temple theme even when I play the remakes. Thanks for sharing and reminding me of this fond memory. :)
I disagree. It is offensive as a Muslim myself to hear the Holy Qu'ran used as a background chant and cut up in the way it was. Of course I don't blame Koji Kondo for this (he just wanted some chanting), and I understand your enthusiasm, but remember brother, the words of the Most High are not background noise, they are the guidance in our lives, and the awakening of submission within us. As a Zelda fan myself, I am glad that Nintendo out of respect removed it, but I do appreciate the Islamicate influence on the Gorons, and like you I also think it's cool our culture is represented in some way. Though there is a sanctity to such things, and that should be recognized and respected.
Holy crap hearing that chant took me back to when I was a little kid playing OOT for the first time. I think it's been over 20 years since I've heard it!
To me the chanting is what sets it apart from the Shadow temple in the sense that it’s just beats and drums, I’m glad I got to experience the first version of the game as a kid
Peace be upon you Thomas. :] I'm always happy whenever I hear about the Fire Temple's original theme. While I AM glad Koji Kondo decided to remove the Athan and Quran out of respect, I'm also happy he thought it was cool and beautiful. As a Muslim, I can confirm its really, REALLY beautiful hehe. Also ever since learning about the Fire Temple I've had a headcanon that the Gorons are Muslims and are praying for salvation, with their prayers being answered in the form of Link :)) Here's hoping Nintendo gets more Islamic Inspiration, but without the controversies. Amen.
I never got as far as the fire temple as a kid, but I had heard this story somewhere before. Recently I played the whole game on the original cart and was surprised to find out that mine had the chanting on it!
Yep! Likely went against Nintendo's own rules for not developing or publishing games with religious references at the time, may have been a "better safe than sorry" concession after the Fire Temple's music was changed, or both.
@@Link_1129 I still don't understand that rule at all, at least in the sense that Nintendo really did not follow it. I mean, Koume and Kotake literally had halos over their heads when they died and faded away.
@@ozvoid1245 i think that’s so universal that it’s not really a christian thing, even if halos come from it. angels exist in other religions as well. there was official art of link from a link to the past kneeling in front of a crucifix. that was interesting…
I remember when Game Trailers did research on this song. It was amazing when they found the sample CD. Not only did they use it for OoT, they found samples used for Majora’s Mask and Twilight Princess. The Islamic chant was also used in other games around the time but sadly I’m blanking on them. Great video as always!
I also recall this being a fairly common issue within games, lots of audio sample collections have all kinds of things like this on them, and are put in the game without knowledge, either that it's a religious text, or that music could be seen as haram, especially while reading the Quran. If just used as a sound effect in the game most likely the developers didn't mute the music for the area, and as such got backlash because of it. I can't remember for sure any of the top of my head but I think one of the Street Fighter games had this issue. qualifications: I have none, I am not a muslim and am just going off this vague memory of a documentary, if any thing is found offensive I deeply apologize let, please let me know if it is along with the reason and I will edit it. edit: I found the Street Fighter game in question, it was SF5, originally the Thailand stage with Buddhism iconography all throughout had this very same audio clip in the music. source: www.polygon.com/2017/4/26/15439980/street-fighter-5-thailand-stage-music-islamic-chant
@@MovedBoxMan The theme song you are referring to for the Egypt cruise track is incomprehensible in Arabic. In fact, there is no Arabic at all. No lines in Arabic are said. Looks like they edited the chanting in a way to remove the contents of the spoken Arabic sentences. You can put this islamic chanting used in this video next to the one used in Cruis'n World N64. You don't notice any Arabic sentence at all.
What Koji Kondo did was no different than what people who make their own subtitles over Japanese dub for a meme do 😂 glad he was able to get it figured it out 🙏🏽
When I was a kid, I always thought it was the Gorons chanting for mercy and to be saved from Volvagia. It just doesn't feel the same without the chant.
Not to sound insensitive but I thought the chanting was incessant and was a little annoying after playing over and over and over again. I liked the newer music better because I feel it was less of a distraction
I miss the first version of the Fire Temple a lot. The chanting really added to the ominous setting. As a kid I used to believe it was the chanting of Gorons praying for help to be rescued. I find the new version to be kind of bland, and it sounds too close to that of the Shadow Temple's theme but without a memorable melody. It actually makes me wish such a change had to be done.
@@slyar I dont know if i would call latin foreign since no country speaks pure latin there tongues based in latin like my own, spanish (Also yes not understanding what the letter says makes it creepier if the tone of the song is creepy)
It's not offensive, it's more like a recitation than a "chant", either way using Quran recitation is pretty normal, just that it was used in a fire temple is pretty unsavoury lol, anyways you should go listen to Quran recitiations if you like the atmosphericness of it
@@sledgen. I kinda can understand how people can have different understandings of it, the thing is that "chant" is one a popular use of word in Islam, not just random Arabic words, it feels like hearing the Merry Christmas song in a torture dungeon song, sure the song on its own is a bop everyone enjoy it but for people who know what kind of "song" is used in a super unexpected place will have a hard time understand what it supposed to mean at all
As a Muslim, I also just wanna point out that the spliced verse in question comes from Al-Ikhlas; which is not only one of the last three chapters (Surahs) of the Qur'an; but it is also a very important chapter because it exclusively focuses on the concept of Monotheism (Tawheed), the main tenet of Islam. Not to mention it's been said that the chapter's worth is equal to one third of the entire Qur'an, it's a pretty big deal
I'm a Muslim and I don't find it very offensive (at least from my POV) but it was still nice that Nintendo (kinda) removed the Islamic chant from the game And I do understand Koji Kondo pretty well what he meant by that he liked the sound of the music, I can relate to that, I love music a lot and always pay attention to sounds that are in the background or sounds never realized that they are there, etc. Long story short, I don't find the Islamic chanting offensive but it's still good from Nintendo for removing it, I understand Koji Kondo well and I love music, also videogame music is still underrated as hell, etc.
@@Hhhh22222-w it is tbh, like if I see it from my Grandpa's POV (because he is a very religious man) or from the Islam's perspective in general then I would totally understand that a holy chant from a very holy religion being inside of a dark fire dungeon, it would be sinful or disprespectful Now imma try to explain how to desribe the islam, the religion for everyone, so bare with me The Islam is a very very VERY faithful religion and Allah is something great, greater than beyond and everything, you wouldnt go and say things like "oh I think Allah is a chill guy" or "yeah the islam is cool religion" nothing like that, its full of pride, faith, belive and so on, I hope I could explain it well of what im trying to say and that everyone understood Besides that and like I said I can understand Koji Kondo very well because he liked the sounds of the islamic chanting but it would be disrespectful to this music in a dark dungeon instead of a holy place etc.
This is super interesting. My stepbrother apparently has the 1.0 version with the Islamic chanting (I can remember it pretty well). But the GCN port have the other version of the Fire Temple theme it seems like.
@@Sir_Fart_The_First you should totally check zelda out! Theres a new one coming out in may for the switch, if youve got the time and the money you should play it!
Our copy of the game still had the chanting in the Fire Temple (and also the star-and-crescent-moon symbol for the Gerudo and Ganondorf's blood being red). I'd played with that music all through my childhood and didn't hear the "fixed" version until the 3DS remake came out, and I got SO confused on why they'd changed the music so drastically from "the original". The "fixed" version sounds so weird to me 😭
As soon as i read the title i knew what this would be about. I actually owned a copy of Ocarina of Time with that song in it instead of the new one. I remembered the song quite distinctively because of the chanting, so it's only years later I believe in a DYKG video that I learned about this, and even later truly heard the new song when i bought Ocarina of Time on Wii U to replay it.
Same here- read the title & guessed fire temple. Remember when I first got Zelda on the Wii VC something was different about the fire temple music. Found out after why.
As a muslim, it is not offensive. Infact im happy to have such a buetiful representation of my religion in the game. On the otherhand it is not okay to put it with a drum beat, thats very frowned upon in islam and thats not great. Also no the thing is not cut up. This is how our prayers sound. (and yes it is silly to put it in a game lol very out of place)
My first time hearing this ost was when i was watching a UA-camr play the game, i wasn’t offended as much as i was creeped the fuck out by the fact that i understood what was being said in the background while the UA-camr and his friend were non the wiser, i can’t describe how it felt but it was a very unique way to be scared for life i’d say
I hadn't even known anything about there being 2 different musics until my brother told me while I was playing in the Fire Temple. He said it's the original music. My dad was the one who bought it so apparently he got it early enough that it has the original music which is really cool. I think the chanting is a little creepy but it's also cool. It fits the temple. It doesn't bother me. I'm not sure if it's the very first or second version with the music still in it though. But still really cool.
Honestly, as a Muslim I find it kind of nice that he decided to use that sound. Obviously, it wasn't appropriate to add it to creepy music, but the fact that he enjoyed the sound of it enough to add it to the game is pretty touching. Now I just wanna know whose idea it was to originally chop Surah Al-Ikhlas in half like that.
Probably Koji Kondo himself. He is Japanese after all, i wouldn't expect him to know what they were saying in the chant and understand the concept of quran and that he is taking something out of context.
It’s interesting because duel of fate (Star Wars) actually did the same thing or something quite similar to except obviously people weren’t mad but same very similar on how it was made.
I remember reading about the game's revisions when it was fairly new. This info wasn't widely available and a lot of the sources were only familiar with two versions, which turned out to be 1.0 and 1.2. So imagine my surprise when my copy had the major swordless glitches patched, but the chanting was still in it! I thought I had some special regional variant or something. But nope, just 1.1.
it's hard to believe tho for any people who seen religious stuff in media. i don't mind really people when they have their religious beliefs, extremism is not the right religion when they're want to forcing other people. that's not religion, that's stealing. it's more like left and right all around and it can be very frustrating to represent for religious people like that. i'm not also a very religious guy but my father is muslim, my mom isn't much religious at all. even i got some workers that are religious and don't hurt anything much aslong is not way to political from somebody. it's somewhat hard to believe and unsafe action thinking about this topic in social media.
I picked up a copy of OoT from a vintage game store a while ago, and was excited to find that I had grabbed a version with the original Fire Temple music, Gerudo symbol, and Ganon's red blood. It was a golden cartridge as well, along with the copy of Majora's Mask I got with it. I feel very lucky!
Okay people keep claiming the PAL region never had a version with the chanting and I wish I didn't lose my original cartridge because it had the chanting on it. I'm still looking for it, or a similar cartridge. I got the day one version. There must be other cartridges like mine out there.
Why are so many people willing to protect the quaran from being appropriated or even making jokes about Islam but its acceptable to mock Christianity? We need more content creators such as you who treat religious texts with respect
As someone who grew up playing OoT with the original chanting in it, it sounds very strange hearing the version with it removed and in my opinion the original sounded much better despite the controversy. I associate the old music with my childhood.
Lemme clear up some stuff to explain WHY it might be offensive, cuz some people don’t understand that and that is completely fine! Lemme try. As a Muslim, having the Quran used as concrete to a song, which is about something totally different to what the Quran is saying, is like using a Spanish nursery rhyme about chickens in a game about shooting people with guns. It doesn’t make sense. And is a bit odd. Especially when it is religious. I get that some people take religion lightly, but even those who do take religion seriously, they are still gamers. My brother, for example, loves to play games but also takes his religious work really seriously. For someone to use broken up religious recitation out of context in a game about slaying a demon incarnate thingy, is offensive to most. I hope people can understand that. And imo, I am pretty glad that they took it out at least as so to make it less obvious
So the audio file is called "Islamic chanting"? That suggests that Kondo and the team were aware of the origin of the sample but didn't see it as an issue. It would have been localization staff (as another commenter suggested) or other staff in the company off the dev't team who objected.
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As a person who lives in muslim community, the best way to explain it, is that it feels like playing an edm music in a romantic first date. Its definitely feel out of place and your dates will feels insulted.
I think it would be super cool if they brought back the fire temple theme but with a new original chant sung in the Hylian language for worship of the goddess Din
As a kid, I used to own the original version of the game with the fire temple chanting. When I got to the fire temple years later and heard the creepy and unsettling chanting, a part of me wanted to mute the sound.
the fact that the chant that shouldn't be called or paired with music is on a disc called world songs is just so disrespectful to begin koji kondo couldn't have known
In all the PAL version cartridges the music was swapped with the choir-like synth version. I always hated Fire Temple music and when I later heard the original version of the song it was much better.
As much as it may have sounded worse, it was better to not do something too disrespectful. As the Quran is a very important book in Islam, and it would be pretty offensive if parts of the Quran had been put into a game in a temple setting. You know?
TLDR version: Koji: “Hey this sounds very exotic! I’m adding this into Zelda.” Later into production. Eiji: “Hey I’ve just been informed we got offensive religious chanting in our soundtrack. Koji: “THAT CHANTING WAS RELIGIOUS!?”
it's not because music is forbidden or anything, it's more because it feels weird to have people saying "your religion's prayers sound creepy & scary" & this in addition with the gerudo's crescent & star just feels sort of... not a great choice in my personal opinion, they could simply achieve a similar energy without using real life religious prayer & symbolism, especially since i think islam is the only one that gets this "spooky ooky" treatment
To be fair, plenty of Cultures, Mythologies, Superstitions, and Religions are always going to be used as decorations for horror. It's not just Islam, but it just happens that they wanted some geographic, real life inspirations for the world of Zelda they wanted. Many games would have just riffed an desert region based on Egyption culture & mythology, and called it a day. That's not going to change anytime soon. Would replacing it to a Chruch choir in place be as objectifying as taking a sample like the chant? I guess to the vast majority of players, they wouldn't know, especially to a Japanese audience.
I don't mean to say it is okay to make islam spooky, however something like the movie The Exorcist is just a legit practice done by the catholic church. In the case of Christianity/Catholocism/even Judaism (In Elden Ring one of the characters/Eldritch Gods is named and themed after a Jewish demon who steals your eyesight, named Shabriri) it actually is possible to use these religions in a spooky ooky way because there are just legitimately spooky ooky aspects to it, that are even meant to be feared and treated as spooky. Other religions typically have a side to them that is openly disturbing or dark, I'm not sure if Islam has that many demons, or ones so intricately linked to the religion beyond being evil Gods. God vs. Satan, Angels vs. Demons, Possession, Hauntings, even something such as flagellation can easily be understood as disturbing or creepy to others who aren't in the know, or even by other folks within the same religion/sect/whatever where the practice has precedence.
@@swiftysylveon its not appropriate like the way you re supposed to eat with utensil in restaurant instead of directly eating it with mouth Yeah sure you can do that and tell everyone to not look at you but everyone who know what appropriate will think of you as a weird asshole
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i dont think they removed it because they were afraid it would offend someone but nintendo had a strict "no religion" rule especially back in the day. lots of directly religious icons were removed or written out like the original zelda 1 shield and oot mirror shield
This is correct. It was just house rules.
You’re funny, considering that the medallions represents the chakras. There’s a ton of religious concepts in Zelda ocarina of time
@@nickonerd _concepts_ *not* symbols. Symbols is what Nintendo removes.
@@SamAronow house rules created because they were afraid they might offend somebody.
@@nickonerd yeah but there is a difference between implying it and outright using religious imagery.
I always thought this was some kinda Mandela effect at work with me cause i had the version with the chant and a friend of mine did not. When i got the game again for the gamecube i distinctly remember telling my friend that the fire temple music sounded off and they just said it sounded the same. Wasn't till YEARS later when the internet was more prominent that we learned the truth.
Shit is wild to remember.
If I'm not mistaken, Street Fighter V's soundtrack came under the exact same fire for using the * exact same samples * for the Thailand stage, Temple Hideout, and then immediately fixed it the day after the stage was released. It's interesting seeing how both Kondo and SFV's composers probably used the same library.
edit: yeah, they did LOL, this uploader thankfully preserved it before it got taken down.
ua-cam.com/video/mQkH0A8sgV0/v-deo.html
And they are tons of franchises that actually utilized the same Islamic chant from the same CD sample disc. Dead or Alive, Parasite Eve, Cruise n' World, Monster Hunter. Recently King of Fighters omitted one classic song from their most recent game KOFXV's jukebox, because it contained the Islamic chant.
I genuinely feel that the song for the fire Temple is incomplete without that chanting I don't know why but it kind of makes the entirety of the temple come to life with the chanting
They could’ve put any chant and that would’ve been fine but Islamic prayers aren’t acceptable
Agreed I wish they used a chant in the same language and sound(if I make any sense right now) just not saying offensive words :(
As a Muslim myself, most Muslim nowadays listens to musics, and some even made songs about Islam itself. And stopping in between chapters isn't forbidden, actually. The one thing that is PROBABLY going to be offensive is the fire temple itself, since in Islam, Satans and Demons are made of fire, and the Fire Temple itself DOES look like hell, with the heat and burn everywhere.
Yeah but this is just a mistake and they did fix it so there's no need for conflict and stuffs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wouldn’t many Muslims just find that flattering tho?? I suppose they just wanted to be careful to not be insensitive. But is not Djinni considered a spirit of fire, and referenced by flame on an oil lamp? Are Djinn considered demonic or satanic? I thought that Djinn could be considered holy the same way the holy flame is referenced, so the prayer in a temple of fire seems appropriate to summon a Holy Spirit from the flames as a protector yes?
@@nickonerd Hello! I'll try my best to answer you.
Djinns aren't considered as either bad or good, they're simply creature that cannot be seen by humans yet live among us. But Sheitan (satan)'s "subordinates" are djinns, so demons in islam are basically considered to be evil people among djinns. They are indeed made of fire, just like Sheitan , but that doesn't make them inherently evil.
I don't think most muslims would find that flattering tho because in our religion, music is prohibited/looked down upon, so mixing sacred recitation of God's words with music, which is considered as a "bad" distraction in our religion, is disrespectful. I think that it is better to leave prayers and sacred recitation alone and to use instead maybe arabic music ?
And finally, in islam there is no such thing as a "holy spirit" or a "protector", muslims believe in the true unicity of Allah and his attributes and thinking that anything else than God can protect you from your destiny is considered a sin.
I hope I was helpful!! But just in general, I think touching religion is always a no-no. As a North African person I would've been really happy if nintendo used chants or songs from my culture (Arab/Berber) like they did in other soundtracks, especially anything related to gerudos, but using religious prayers... I just feel like this is something sacred that shouldn't be touched :/ even muslims shouldn't play around with it
That’s why they would take it out because they wouldn’t want to remove a whole temple because of a Muslim chant
Exactly this
I always referred to that strange sound in the shadow temple as "the door opening" sound. Every time I heard it, I imagined a large door opening and a heavy gust of wind blowing through. Never would have thought that sound was chanting slowed down.
I also had a copy of the original chanting. I remember being a bit confused as a kid getting the game cube Oot and wondering if I imagined the chanting from the original N64. especially because my friends, who also had an N64 copy, didn't have the chanting in their copys.
I actually prefer the synth voices. I think its creepier that theyre not actually saying anytthing tbh.
Favorite game, I was 9 when it came out and hearing the Fire Temple Chant as a Palestinian Syrian blew my mind since I understood it (very out of place but somehow works so well and gives the Fire Temple soul, I can visualize the chanters praying), then the Spirit Temple took me to another dimension, also oddly there was a crescent moon on the mirror shield and stone movable blocks in earlier versions of OoT and originally the Triforce was the Trinity and there was a cross on Link's shield of course. That experience will live with me forever.
Awesome video! Thanks for the great documentary on this
another legendary vid from my man
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Some people claim it isn't islamic chanting, but, as someone who goes to a mosque practically every day.. it really is. It doesn't offend me, though. Altho i can definitely see some extremists being offended by it, unfortunately. Vocal minority, though. It definitely feels sort of oddly creepy and demonic that something so sacred would be played somewhere so evil and wicked, it definitely did it's job well.
its one of my favorite Zelda musical scores.
As a Muslim, I was really confused when I heard the song for the first time. LIterally had to blink twice.
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 bruh
@@CanalDaZoeiraBrasil what did he say?
Muslims need to stop complaining about everything...
From what I see, nobody is really complaining though. This change was made ages ago and it seems like most agree with the change
We dont lol, we complain if something is disrespectful, end of discussion
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What do you mean complaining?
You try to silence us. Remove our rights and kill us. What else do you want?
Off topic but I love when someone says "Ocariner" without realizing. MVG does it too!
It might be interesting if some male choir would record something with the same melody but with different words, maybe even in a Hylian or some other Zelda fictional language.
I imagine time was a big factor then, and the changes Kondo did was probably quicker than trying to bring in a choir to sing something in a fictional language. And in future releases it probably just wasn't considered worth it.
@@darrenmacqueen9884 Oh, I know. I was talking about some fans doing it now, and then modding it into the game. I just think it would be fun.
@@ZipplyZane Oh I see, yeah that would be cool.
Has there ever been spoken Hylian?
@@VinnytotheK skyward sword with ballad of the goddess has a bit.
There is a very noticable thing in the list: The music was first changed with the 1.0 PAL version. My theory is that someone at Nintendo responsible for translating the game for European regions must've noticed the chant and reported it back to Nintendo of Japan who quickly switched it out for the 1.0 PAL version and all following ones.
I can just imagine some French guy going "Zis sounds a lot like zat sound I heaerd my Muzlim neighboor making!"
I've bought the german version that is a PAL version, and I had the muslim chanting in it. So, I cannot confirm what is said in this video.
@Abdurrahman Syed I'm french, and that's cliche and a bit rude the way you "quoted" that.
@@Oceane1803 he was joking. and i can bet you've stereotyped Americans
@@kylesimone6140 Oh *I* stereotyped Americans ? He's the one who "quoted" french people with a cliche and innacurate way of speaking and I'm the one who stereotypes people ? Right. It's not because he was joking that it makes it funny.
I was 8 years old when OoT came out. When my brother and I heard this we were so happy. It was muffled and obscured enough to begin with that we didn’t catch what it was at first. Once we heard the very clear call of “La illaha il Allah” I lost it.
Imagine the excitement of experiencing this amazing adventure and hearing something you grew up with in the game. For me the Gorons will always be connected to Islam.
We were not offended and it honestly is sorely missing from the rereleases. I actually play the original music when I replay on 3DS
That’s the complicated thing about culture. People often pick and choose what things are appropriate to put out culturally even though sometimes that excludes people that would actually benefit from their history being shown.
I have a similar experience. I always thought the Gorons were praying for salvation from Volvagia. I always associate Gorons with Muslims and thought it was so cool for our religion to be represented. When we first heard it, we were so excited and surprised. I still play the original Fire Temple theme even when I play the remakes.
Thanks for sharing and reminding me of this fond memory. :)
based. Im not muslim but الله أكبر
I disagree. It is offensive as a Muslim myself to hear the Holy Qu'ran used as a background chant and cut up in the way it was. Of course I don't blame Koji Kondo for this (he just wanted some chanting), and I understand your enthusiasm, but remember brother, the words of the Most High are not background noise, they are the guidance in our lives, and the awakening of submission within us. As a Zelda fan myself, I am glad that Nintendo out of respect removed it, but I do appreciate the Islamicate influence on the Gorons, and like you I also think it's cool our culture is represented in some way. Though there is a sanctity to such things, and that should be recognized and respected.
@@reisudesu fax , i didnt feel offended but i 100% agree its disrespectful
Holy crap hearing that chant took me back to when I was a little kid playing OOT for the first time. I think it's been over 20 years since I've heard it!
I owned the soundtrack on CD and have listened to it a million times. Even now, I occasionally listen to it on YT.
I never owned any version of OoT, but I've heard it's good!
To me the chanting is what sets it apart from the Shadow temple in the sense that it’s just beats and drums, I’m glad I got to experience the first version of the game as a kid
Im glad i played the first version as well
If it wasn't for emulation my first time would have been censored as well
It’s actually not chanting, they’re reciting quran out loud
It's still entirely disrespectful. They could have replaced it with a different, nonreligious chant.
it's not chanting... :( it's recitation of the quran
Peace be upon you Thomas. :] I'm always happy whenever I hear about the Fire Temple's original theme. While I AM glad Koji Kondo decided to remove the Athan and Quran out of respect, I'm also happy he thought it was cool and beautiful. As a Muslim, I can confirm its really, REALLY beautiful hehe. Also ever since learning about the Fire Temple I've had a headcanon that the Gorons are Muslims and are praying for salvation, with their prayers being answered in the form of Link :)) Here's hoping Nintendo gets more Islamic Inspiration, but without the controversies. Amen.
This is an incredibly wholesome interpretation ❤️
Aameeen. Well put.
Peace be upon you
Can you please do a video on Stanley, the bug man from donkey Kong three arcade?
Assalamu walaykum akhi! Your words made me happy, may Allah (SWT) bless you and guide us both. Amin.
I never got as far as the fire temple as a kid, but I had heard this story somewhere before. Recently I played the whole game on the original cart and was surprised to find out that mine had the chanting on it!
Nice
It’s not chanting it’s the holy Quran
@@AverageGamer574Shouting verses out loud is a form of chanting.
@@daedalus6433 the person wasn’t shouting
@@AverageGamer574 What do you call uttering words in a loud voice?
Also worth noting that the original Crest of the Gerudo was nearly identical to the star and crescent moon symbol often associated with Islam.
Yep! Likely went against Nintendo's own rules for not developing or publishing games with religious references at the time, may have been a "better safe than sorry" concession after the Fire Temple's music was changed, or both.
@@Link_1129 I still don't understand that rule at all, at least in the sense that Nintendo really did not follow it. I mean, Koume and Kotake literally had halos over their heads when they died and faded away.
Technically speaking Islam has no symbol, rather the cresecent moon symbol is more of a ottoman empire thing
@@ozvoid1245 The halo is kind of an outlier as it can be applied to fictional religions, like Hyrule's.
@@ozvoid1245 i think that’s so universal that it’s not really a christian thing, even if halos come from it. angels exist in other religions as well.
there was official art of link from a link to the past kneeling in front of a crucifix. that was interesting…
So, it wasn't backlash, it was preventalash.
Good to see the proper story out there
I remember when Game Trailers did research on this song. It was amazing when they found the sample CD. Not only did they use it for OoT, they found samples used for Majora’s Mask and Twilight Princess. The Islamic chant was also used in other games around the time but sadly I’m blanking on them.
Great video as always!
Yeah I recall another Nintendo game that had the same chant song but it never got removed.
I also recall this being a fairly common issue within games, lots of audio sample collections have all kinds of things like this on them, and are put in the game without knowledge, either that it's a religious text, or that music could be seen as haram, especially while reading the Quran. If just used as a sound effect in the game most likely the developers didn't mute the music for the area, and as such got backlash because of it. I can't remember for sure any of the top of my head but I think one of the Street Fighter games had this issue.
qualifications:
I have none, I am not a muslim and am just going off this vague memory of a documentary, if any thing is found offensive I deeply apologize let, please let me know if it is along with the reason and I will edit it.
edit: I found the Street Fighter game in question, it was SF5, originally the Thailand stage with Buddhism iconography all throughout had this very same audio clip in the music.
source: www.polygon.com/2017/4/26/15439980/street-fighter-5-thailand-stage-music-islamic-chant
cruis'n world 64 had the chant in its cairo level
Man I miss Pop Fiction. I know they brought back a similar series for a different channel but I don't think they ever made more than a few episodes.
@@MovedBoxMan The theme song you are referring to for the Egypt cruise track is incomprehensible in Arabic. In fact, there is no Arabic at all. No lines in Arabic are said. Looks like they edited the chanting in a way to remove the contents of the spoken Arabic sentences. You can put this islamic chanting used in this video next to the one used in Cruis'n World N64. You don't notice any Arabic sentence at all.
What Koji Kondo did was no different than what people who make their own subtitles over Japanese dub for a meme do 😂 glad he was able to get it figured it out 🙏🏽
i would politely disagree in that this is sacred text - unless you consider anime sacred, in which case i say you do you
@@stadbab jude's point is the intention behind it, not the actual content itself lmao
When I was a kid, I always thought it was the Gorons chanting for mercy and to be saved from Volvagia. It just doesn't feel the same without the chant.
Not to sound insensitive but I thought the chanting was incessant and was a little annoying after playing over and over and over again. I liked the newer music better because I feel it was less of a distraction
The chants are cool but adding Islamic prayers aren’t good
@@mattkennedy6115who cares
@@Thewolfguys.cartoons2000The followers of Muhammad care, who will kill you for even just drawing him.
@@Devin7ElevenSounds a bit barbaric if you ask me.
As a child, I thought the chanting was the Gorons
crying out to be rescued by Link.
He wanted you to smell the dungeon? Was this before or after they added Jabu Jabu's Belly...
Bro def wanted us to smell Jabu Jabu
@@nicolehafner8616 I'm straight up snorting jabu jabu's stomach lining
I miss the first version of the Fire Temple a lot. The chanting really added to the ominous setting. As a kid I used to believe it was the chanting of Gorons praying for help to be rescued. I find the new version to be kind of bland, and it sounds too close to that of the Shadow Temple's theme but without a memorable melody. It actually makes me wish such a change had to be done.
Would it sound the same to you if you replaced the Islamic chants in Arabic with Christian verses in English?
@@slyar yes
@@slyar Yes. Though rather than english i would prefer catholic chants in Latin
@@BenDover-zp7bu So it's creepier if it's in a foreign language?
@@slyar I dont know if i would call latin foreign since no country speaks pure latin there tongues based in latin like my own, spanish (Also yes not understanding what the letter says makes it creepier if the tone of the song is creepy)
I actually like the chanting for that dungeon. It's really atmospheric!
@Sunky the Hedgy YT 🇳🇴 I'm sorry If I offended you, I can delete the comment if you want
It's not offensive, it's more like a recitation than a "chant", either way using Quran recitation is pretty normal, just that it was used in a fire temple is pretty unsavoury lol, anyways you should go listen to Quran recitiations if you like the atmosphericness of it
@@sledgen. I kinda can understand how people can have different understandings of it, the thing is that "chant" is one a popular use of word in Islam, not just random Arabic words, it feels like hearing the Merry Christmas song in a torture dungeon song, sure the song on its own is a bop everyone enjoy it but for people who know what kind of "song" is used in a super unexpected place will have a hard time understand what it supposed to mean at all
@@sledgen. He's not offended, it was just weird hearing it in the game xD
@Sunky the Hedgy YT 🇳🇴 Muhammad was a genocidal warlord and does not deserve to be venerated.
thank you for being so respectful abt this vid! i enjoyed watching this
Should've had no respect for such a retarded complaint
So happy I got mine right after it came out! Red blood, chanting, original mirror shield and all! 1998 was a good time.
As a Muslim, I also just wanna point out that the spliced verse in question comes from Al-Ikhlas; which is not only one of the last three chapters (Surahs) of the Qur'an; but it is also a very important chapter because it exclusively focuses on the concept of Monotheism (Tawheed), the main tenet of Islam.
Not to mention it's been said that the chapter's worth is equal to one third of the entire Qur'an, it's a pretty big deal
I think it's a sufi chant
I'm a Muslim and I don't find it very offensive (at least from my POV) but it was still nice that Nintendo (kinda) removed the Islamic chant from the game
And I do understand Koji Kondo pretty well what he meant by that he liked the sound of the music, I can relate to that, I love music a lot and always pay attention to sounds that are in the background or sounds never realized that they are there, etc.
Long story short, I don't find the Islamic chanting offensive but it's still good from Nintendo for removing it, I understand Koji Kondo well and I love music, also videogame music is still underrated as hell, etc.
@@shadow4040 they could habe kept a arabic hymn or something similar but quran verses in a fire temple is probably the worse match up
@@Hhhh22222-w it is tbh, like if I see it from my Grandpa's POV (because he is a very religious man) or from the Islam's perspective in general then I would totally understand that a holy chant from a very holy religion being inside of a dark fire dungeon, it would be sinful or disprespectful
Now imma try to explain how to desribe the islam, the religion for everyone, so bare with me
The Islam is a very very VERY faithful religion and Allah is something great, greater than beyond and everything, you wouldnt go and say things like "oh I think Allah is a chill guy" or "yeah the islam is cool religion" nothing like that, its full of pride, faith, belive and so on, I hope I could explain it well of what im trying to say and that everyone understood
Besides that and like I said I can understand Koji Kondo very well because he liked the sounds of the islamic chanting but it would be disrespectful to this music in a dark dungeon instead of a holy place etc.
This is super interesting. My stepbrother apparently has the 1.0 version with the Islamic chanting (I can remember it pretty well). But the GCN port have the other version of the Fire Temple theme it seems like.
Thomas Game Docs teaches me genuinely interesting stories about Nintendo that I can tell to my friends and family
My favourite Thomas Game Docs videos are the Zelda ones. Especially the Ocarina of time ones.
Cool, i never played any zelda games so i’m mor hyped for mario in my opinion
@@Sir_Fart_The_First why reply then?
@@SoniXperias they were just telling their opinion like you did?
@@Sir_Fart_The_First you should totally check zelda out! Theres a new one coming out in may for the switch, if youve got the time and the money you should play it!
@@SoniXperias to share my opinion
Our copy of the game still had the chanting in the Fire Temple (and also the star-and-crescent-moon symbol for the Gerudo and Ganondorf's blood being red). I'd played with that music all through my childhood and didn't hear the "fixed" version until the 3DS remake came out, and I got SO confused on why they'd changed the music so drastically from "the original". The "fixed" version sounds so weird to me 😭
As soon as i read the title i knew what this would be about. I actually owned a copy of Ocarina of Time with that song in it instead of the new one. I remembered the song quite distinctively because of the chanting, so it's only years later I believe in a DYKG video that I learned about this, and even later truly heard the new song when i bought Ocarina of Time on Wii U to replay it.
its not chanting
Same here- read the title & guessed fire temple. Remember when I first got Zelda on the Wii VC something was different about the fire temple music. Found out after why.
As a muslim, it is not offensive. Infact im happy to have such a buetiful representation of my religion in the game. On the otherhand it is not okay to put it with a drum beat, thats very frowned upon in islam and thats not great.
Also no the thing is not cut up. This is how our prayers sound. (and yes it is silly to put it in a game lol very out of place)
Wow this is incredibly interesting! I only ever heard the 1.2 version growing up. Didn't even know the blood was changed either.
I think chanting fits the temple setting as a temple is place to pray
Maybe they could've made up a prayer in the fictional Hylian language to use?
My first time hearing this ost was when i was watching a UA-camr play the game, i wasn’t offended as much as i was creeped the fuck out by the fact that i understood what was being said in the background while the UA-camr and his friend were non the wiser, i can’t describe how it felt but it was a very unique way to be scared for life i’d say
let's be honest, the chanting one is the good version
Even so it’s still disrespectful
tbh i prefer the later version, it feels much more ominous to me
@AAyan Why is it disrespectful though? Nintendo never including it out of malice.
@@Turtle20305 You don't need to be respectfull towards mythology.
@@Turtle20305 who cares about women beaters
I hadn't even known anything about there being 2 different musics until my brother told me while I was playing in the Fire Temple. He said it's the original music. My dad was the one who bought it so apparently he got it early enough that it has the original music which is really cool. I think the chanting is a little creepy but it's also cool. It fits the temple. It doesn't bother me. I'm not sure if it's the very first or second version with the music still in it though. But still really cool.
Honestly, as a Muslim I find it kind of nice that he decided to use that sound. Obviously, it wasn't appropriate to add it to creepy music, but the fact that he enjoyed the sound of it enough to add it to the game is pretty touching.
Now I just wanna know whose idea it was to originally chop Surah Al-Ikhlas in half like that.
assalamu alaikum
Yeah, the shortest Surah was made even more short 💀
Probably Koji Kondo himself. He is Japanese after all, i wouldn't expect him to know what they were saying in the chant and understand the concept of quran and that he is taking something out of context.
I am a Muslim, and I can say that this completely impressed me when I first heard it.
It’s interesting because duel of fate (Star Wars) actually did the same thing or something quite similar to except obviously people weren’t mad but same very similar on how it was made.
Because it was a made up language and made up chanting.
I never heard of that. Can you explain?
@@TobbyTukaywan It's an Irish poem, translated to Sanskrit. That's what the whole vocal part of it is.
@@surfacedfox that isn’t very offensive as it isn’t religious
One of the reasons i love owning the v1.0 gold cart of OoT.
So much history in one little bit of music.
I remember reading about the game's revisions when it was fairly new. This info wasn't widely available and a lot of the sources were only familiar with two versions, which turned out to be 1.0 and 1.2. So imagine my surprise when my copy had the major swordless glitches patched, but the chanting was still in it! I thought I had some special regional variant or something. But nope, just 1.1.
I am no religious Christian or anything. But I can respect those who are. Also your videos are good
it's hard to believe tho for any people who seen religious stuff in media. i don't mind really people when they have their religious beliefs, extremism is not the right religion when they're want to forcing other people. that's not religion, that's stealing.
it's more like left and right all around and it can be very frustrating to represent for religious people like that. i'm not also a very religious guy but my father is muslim, my mom isn't much religious at all. even i got some workers that are religious and don't hurt anything much aslong is not way to political from somebody. it's somewhat hard to believe and unsafe action thinking about this topic in social media.
Why not ? Link is Nintendo Jesus
@@Hettowmache64 no
@@foottingthaiusa Pretty sure lol
@@Hettowmache64 yes
0:12 ohhh ........ I'm muslim
I picked up a copy of OoT from a vintage game store a while ago, and was excited to find that I had grabbed a version with the original Fire Temple music, Gerudo symbol, and Ganon's red blood. It was a golden cartridge as well, along with the copy of Majora's Mask I got with it. I feel very lucky!
Okay people keep claiming the PAL region never had a version with the chanting and I wish I didn't lose my original cartridge because it had the chanting on it. I'm still looking for it, or a similar cartridge. I got the day one version. There must be other cartridges like mine out there.
Why are so many people willing to protect the quaran from being appropriated or even making jokes about Islam but its acceptable to mock Christianity? We need more content creators such as you who treat religious texts with respect
As someone who grew up playing OoT with the original chanting in it, it sounds very strange hearing the version with it removed and in my opinion the original sounded much better despite the controversy. I associate the old music with my childhood.
The temple song is fire!
Bravo
It's explosive
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 What a load of baloney
Lemme clear up some stuff to explain WHY it might be offensive, cuz some people don’t understand that and that is completely fine! Lemme try.
As a Muslim, having the Quran used as concrete to a song, which is about something totally different to what the Quran is saying, is like using a Spanish nursery rhyme about chickens in a game about shooting people with guns. It doesn’t make sense. And is a bit odd. Especially when it is religious.
I get that some people take religion lightly, but even those who do take religion seriously, they are still gamers. My brother, for example, loves to play games but also takes his religious work really seriously.
For someone to use broken up religious recitation out of context in a game about slaying a demon incarnate thingy, is offensive to most. I hope people can understand that.
And imo, I am pretty glad that they took it out at least as so to make it less obvious
So the audio file is called "Islamic chanting"? That suggests that Kondo and the team were aware of the origin of the sample but didn't see it as an issue. It would have been localization staff (as another commenter suggested) or other staff in the company off the dev't team who objected.
Maybe the noise is supposed to be Bongo Bongo moaning/roaring in the distance of the temple.
Man and I really like the OG version way more than the new one
Just gotta say, I love your content. Honestly, and forgive me if I sound weird, but your voice is just so relaxing to listen to, as you narrate the interesting topics you talk about. Your vids are great to listen to while I’m cleaning, making art, etc!
I still remember muttering "tibet-nee-ah ferangi ferangi aa-aa-aaah" along with the chanting
Ok.... I just research and Nintendo really use the surah : Al - 'ikhlas chapter 112
As a person who lives in muslim community, the best way to explain it, is that it feels like playing an edm music in a romantic first date.
Its definitely feel out of place and your dates will feels insulted.
Or Cbat...
I think it would be super cool if they brought back the fire temple theme but with a new original chant sung in the Hylian language for worship of the goddess Din
I’m Muslim music is NOT harm but an extant
As a kid, I used to own the original version of the game with the fire temple chanting. When I got to the fire temple years later and heard the creepy and unsettling chanting, a part of me wanted to mute the sound.
the same Chanting sample is also in Cruis'n World (in the Cairo level, i believe)
the fact that the chant that shouldn't be called or paired with music is on a disc called world songs is just so disrespectful to begin koji kondo couldn't have known
I’m glad I have an original, with red blood and original temple theme
In all the PAL version cartridges the music was swapped with the choir-like synth version. I always hated Fire Temple music and when I later heard the original version of the song it was much better.
As much as it may have sounded worse, it was better to not do something too disrespectful. As the Quran is a very important book in Islam, and it would be pretty offensive if parts of the Quran had been put into a game in a temple setting. You know?
@@Tt-The-Creative No, the song is more important
No, it most definitely is not.
3:25 suuuuper bad to do in our religion lmao. U can't just cut off the surah (what you refer to as the Islamic chanting) before its finished.
the chanting was beautiful still
You think you could do a video about the voices of Punch Out?
TLDR version:
Koji: “Hey this sounds very exotic! I’m adding this into Zelda.”
Later into production.
Eiji: “Hey I’ve just been informed we got offensive religious chanting in our soundtrack.
Koji: “THAT CHANTING WAS RELIGIOUS!?”
If I played this game alone as a kid I'd ship my pants, those sound tracks are so creepy. Koji Kondo doesn't mess around.
i love Thomas's videos. they are always so informational
Agreed 100%!
I've always heard that weird sound that happened to be a remains of the chanting, just never knew that lol, it sounds much creepier when by itself
I love learning trivia about Ocariner of Time!
Wait, that scream during the Forest Temple isn't a remixed version of Link's audio effects? That's crazy how much it sounds like the VA for Link.
REAAL it sounds like adult link landing into hard ground or climbing idkkk 😭
Allah is now confirmed to be Canon in the Zelda universe.
2:55 it shouldn’t have been in the game but I think if it had been in a different temple something more peaceful it wouldn’t have been as upsetting
12:22 I've never even noticed how creepy that sound is😱
It’s not creepy that’s Islamophobic
On its own it’s beautiful
I knew about this story before but never knew the Shadow Temple also sampled it
I enjoy the original ❤️
My god thats so offensive i am gonna unalive myself rn, anyone with me?
Ngl that soundtrack is kinda creepy
The Islamic chanting is praising Allah (God), even though the audio sound a little bit creepy. (Sorrry if I'm offending anyone)
i love how every time i recognise a topic here, thinking i know the real story, i leave with a completely different one
just great videos to find here
it's not because music is forbidden or anything, it's more because it feels weird to have people saying "your religion's prayers sound creepy & scary" & this in addition with the gerudo's crescent & star just feels sort of... not a great choice in my personal opinion, they could simply achieve a similar energy without using real life religious prayer & symbolism, especially since i think islam is the only one that gets this "spooky ooky" treatment
To be fair, plenty of Cultures, Mythologies, Superstitions, and Religions are always going to be used as decorations for horror.
It's not just Islam, but it just happens that they wanted some geographic, real life inspirations for the world of Zelda they wanted.
Many games would have just riffed an desert region based on Egyption culture & mythology, and called it a day.
That's not going to change anytime soon.
Would replacing it to a Chruch choir in place be as objectifying as taking a sample like the chant? I guess to the vast majority of players, they wouldn't know, especially to a Japanese audience.
I don't mean to say it is okay to make islam spooky, however something like the movie The Exorcist is just a legit practice done by the catholic church. In the case of Christianity/Catholocism/even Judaism (In Elden Ring one of the characters/Eldritch Gods is named and themed after a Jewish demon who steals your eyesight, named Shabriri) it actually is possible to use these religions in a spooky ooky way because there are just legitimately spooky ooky aspects to it, that are even meant to be feared and treated as spooky. Other religions typically have a side to them that is openly disturbing or dark, I'm not sure if Islam has that many demons, or ones so intricately linked to the religion beyond being evil Gods. God vs. Satan, Angels vs. Demons, Possession, Hauntings, even something such as flagellation can easily be understood as disturbing or creepy to others who aren't in the know, or even by other folks within the same religion/sect/whatever where the practice has precedence.
I liked the islamic chanting, it's sad that it was removed
Not really its extremly disrespectful in my religion especially when using the holy book in a song
@@MarouaneTFthank allah you can choose to not to play any disrespectful videogames just like you can choose to not to eat haram pork.
@@swiftysylveon its not appropriate like the way you re supposed to eat with utensil in restaurant instead of directly eating it with mouth
Yeah sure you can do that and tell everyone to not look at you but everyone who know what appropriate will think of you as a weird asshole
Bro that ain’t no chanting it’s a recitation of one of our Surahs or chapters of our holy book
how is he supposed to know if he isnt islamic
11:55 You can still hear a distorted longer version of the chant in this long section.
they should've used zoroastrian chanting, would've been more fitting
Thanks TGD!
Bro monster hunter freedom has this chanting in the jungle battle theme, and they even reuse it.