HOMESCHOOL WRITING CURRICULUM FOR COLLEGE BOUND STUDENTS | + an interview with a college professor
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2021
- Today I am sharing all the writing and language arts curriculum that we used from 4th grade through 11th grade, I am discussing how English 101 (dual enrollment 12th grade) is going in light of our preparation for college English. I am sharing an interview that I did with my brother who is a college English professor. I will share his thoughts on how we can prepare our homeschoolers for college level writing.Thank you for watching!
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My eldest daughter just finished her college education and she was an English Minor. She duel enrolled her senior year at the college she then went to as a college student. In all of her English classss she received A's & A+'s. She did IEW the second half of her 4th grade year, 5th grade & 6th grade years and LTW in 7th, 8th & 9th grades. When I asked her if she felt she was actually learning anything in her Composition & public speaking classes, she said no, as she had learned everything she was doing in class in LTW. She is a HUGE proponent of LTW and encourages her younger siblings to really pay attention and get everything out of it that they can!
Just wanted to encourage people that IEW & LTW(and Classical Conversations as I believe Logic, Mock Trial & Debate helped as well)are fantastic programs and are really an investment in our children's futures.
That’s helpful to have family members who are college professors!!
It really has been in this season!
This is exactly the video I needed!!
Such a helpful video! I can't even thank you enough for this video as we are choosing a writing curriculum right now for middle school and you have addressed so many of the questions that I have. Thank you!
Great! Thank you!
I just came across this video at the perfect time for planning my daughter’s high school English course! I can not tell you how helpful it is after doing IEW and LTW. This was the recommendation I needed. Thank you for taking the time to share these helpful tips for other homeschool parents!
This was so helpful! Thank you for the level of detail you provided and the info from your professor family as well. This definitely gives me some ideas to incorporate.
I’m so glad it was helpful!
Yah!!! I’m so excited!! I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on this!!!
❤️❤️❤️Watching yours now!
Rachel was the first homeschool mom I found on UA-cam, and you were the second. It's a lot of fun to see the 2 of you team up like this!
Thanks! It was fun!
This video was golden per usual 😉🥰 thank you so much. You have helped me so much in my planning and preparation for my children.
Thank you so much! 💕
Another very helpful video, thanks! I took lots of notes!
Thanks, I’m so glad you found it useful! ❤️
Great information as always! Thank you.
Thanks! 💕
Love how you prepare for college courses so early!
I like to start with the end in mind.
This video was super helpful-thank you!!
Thank you! ❤️
Excellent video. Very helpful I really appreciate all the information. The Q & A is valuable ❤
Thanks so much! I’m glad you found it helpful!
You are so well spoken. Your kiddos are so blessed to have a mom who cares so deeply about preparing them well. This is great advise. I am using the new iew sss 1a dvds with my fourth grader this year. It it half research writing, half creative writing. It’s interesting how different it seems to from what you used.
Thank you so much! 💕 Yes I think IEW has been revised at least once since we used it. It’s such a great program for that age!
This was super helpful!! Thanks for sharing! My dad grew up just north of Wilkes Barre on a lake called Harvey's Lake. I love that area! Tell your brother thank you as well. This was super helpful to me! I feel Katie English is not my strongest subject so I feel a bit like the blind leading the blind!
Such a small world!
We used Writing with Skill in 8th grade. It covered the notecards and also really creative ways to write.
That’s one we’ve not used but I’ve always heard great things about it!
This was so helpful! I’m so glad you discussed the importance of grammar. I know ELA can be scary for parents, especially as their students approach high school. Writing is more subjective, and that scares parents. Thank you for sharing these resources to ease our young students into the writing process.
And I remember those notecards days. I don’t know how I would have merged all my sources and information without them. Thanks again.
Thank you! I’m so glad you found it helpful!
It’s awesome that TGTB teaches writing well!!! We do a lot of review work anyway for language arts so that shouldn’t bother my kids. I’ve noticed that homeschoolers are more able to think for themselves.
Their grammar and writing guide is really good!
I’m so excited for this! We’re no where near highschool, but I do like to have an idea of the route we’re headed.
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Thank you! 💕
Such good info from your brother!! Grammar and thesis statements….the things were struggling with this year. 😉
What he said about literature challenging their morals… this is an important point that Apologetics makes also. If you don’t understand the other side, see where they are coming from, how will they prepare to defend the truth?? Reading Mama Bear Apologetics, the refer to this as insulating, not isolating. It’s way better for our children to be exposed to other ideas under our watch, then to isolate them to where they’re unprepared when they encounter these “bad” ideas. .
Very good info!!! Now you’ve got me wondering if I should interview MY brother!!! He’s kind of an expert on taking tests like ACT and SAT and getting college scholarships!! I might have to now!!
Thanks Colleen!! Your point of view is always so helpful!!
Thank you! ❤️ I definitely think people would love to hear tips on test taking!
Yes! Would love to hear an interview with your brother regarding admissions testing! We did great with our first three but snow I have littles and can always learn more!
Colleen, this was so helpful.
Thank you! ❤️
Very informative! Thank you.
Thanks! ❤️
This video was fun of very useful info. Thank you thank you. I have love this. 😁💕🙏🏻
Thank you! 💕
Thank you for this video. It was really interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it! 💕
Awesome vid! I was a previous high school & college teacher too.
Thank you! ❤️
Great video - so helpful for those starting to homeschool high school! Another great writing curriculum that is very helpful in preparing for college writing is Susan Wise Bauer's Writing with Skill curriculum. She is also an English professor at the College of William and Mary and she wrote the curriculum after several years of teaching English 101, hoping to give students the writing skills they were sorely lacking in her classes.
I’ve heard great things about that one as well, but I’ve never used it.
Thank you so much for this video. I have a 7th grader and am trying to set our course for college!
You’re welcome!
With my special needs sweet boy i won’t need this but still great to see you and hear your voice :)
Thank you, friend. 💕
Thank you for mentioning the importance of classic and challenging Literature. This is the reason I am hesitant about the Good and the Beautiful. I don't advocate for sheltering young adults and it is good to know you made it work for you!
This was great!
Thank you! 💕
Was the art of argument a CC course??
I agree on the TGTB poetry! it’s a stretch for my boy!! But good for him to learn to do. I told him it could help him impress a girl someday!!! 😜😜😜
No we did The Art of Argument on our own in 9th grade.
😂😂😂 Katie was not a fan of writing the poem at first either. But it stretched her.
Thank you so much for this info! I really appreciate it. I'm trying to plan my son's next year, which is 6th grade. Trying to figure out what curriculum to use is not always easy. Especially when he's not a big writing fan. I loved it, but we are not the same! lol
So glad it was helpful!
I am so thankful for your videos! I just watched this and another of your videos on why you left CC. My daughter is currently in Challenge A, and we have been struggling a lot. So in that video, you explained ALL that was 100% in my head already about CC and it just confirmed that we will not be going to Ch.B. For the past 2 years, I've been doing Good and Beautiful with my 2nd grader, and my Ch.A has been so drawn to it too. I am just learning more this year about the Charlotte Mason method, so your video on HS level is giving me the confidence to go ahead and switch from CC to G&B. I would love to know what you have done for other subjects in 8th grade. And as you said about other people's false opinions on G&B being Mormon, all my Christian moms think that! You are such a blessing to many for your videos. Thank you so much for sharing your homeschool life with us!
We left CC in the middle of 9th grade. I have videos on my channel that show all of the curriculum we used from that point on.
oh man, thank you for this video! My daughter will be in 9th next year. I pulled her from PS after 5th and I feel like, even with homeschooling almost 4 years, she lacks in so many areas. Thank you for sharing some insight, and hopefully I can get her on the track she needs when she graduates! I am thinking of doing TGTB high school course, but I am on the fence since she has never done the curriculum before. We have been using BJU since 7th grade.
We never did anything from TG&TB before 9th either and we didn’t have any issues with gaps.
@@simplejoyfilledliving awesome to know!! our daughter has adhd and I am finding out so much with homeschooling of the areas she lacks. I am trying to get her to where she needs to be in the short time we have :) Thank you for sharing your views on here.
Definitely good to hear your thoughts on TGATB writing. I’ve seen others say it’s not as good as IEW (or Lost Tools) so it’s good to hear this side as well…! We are just gathering info at this point to decide how to handle writing next few years
I think it depends on the student but it’s much more well rounded than IEW or LTW alone.
Thanks!
Super helpful information
Thank you!
This was incredibly helpful, thank you! I am excited to hear that TGATB was such a help, as we are using it to. As a homeschool mom, teaching my high school son to write well is my biggest challenge. He, like Katie, doesn’t really care for it. Which honors book studies did Katie do and which was her favorite?
Thanks! We only did Pride snd Prejudice and The Screwtape Letters as far as the honors book studies. The writing assignments in the Pride snd Prejudice one were great but Katie preferred reading The Screwtape Letters.
What an amazing collaboration, Colleen. Thank you so much to both of you.
I would like your input on this situation. This is our first year homeschooling. My daughter (currently 8th grader) went to a Christian school and had Principal Honors as well as Presidential Awards etc. In 6th grade things were a bit chaotic, lots of changes and it wasn’t the same, still got A/Bs and sometimes C’s. In 7th grade I decided to transfer her to the high school part in the “sister” school behind. It was not a good year. She didn’t pay attention, stressed, peer pressure, etc… So I decided to homeschool. So this 8th grade year has been great but it’s been a year of going back 2 levels to fill in any gaps, as well as learn everything she missed. She is glad we did that and so am I. I’ve had to do the same with Math. Thankfully she is good in Math and has worked out great. If you go to Level 7 TGTB FAQs it reads: Can I count Level 7 as high school credit? A: The instruction in Level 7 is comparable to 9th grade work.
I already purchased Level 7 & The Book Studies (level 8) for her to do this coming year (9th). Of course she will read all the recommended books and do the course as it is intended. I believe she will have everything she needs to cover all credits in L/A. What do you think?
I am sorry for the long story but I wanted to give you as much information as possible. Thank you so much!!!
Generally with homeschooling in high school, as long as the curriculum company says the work is high school level, you should be ok. The only exception I can think of would be if there’s some requirement with your state like an umbrella school or accountability group that would not approve it.
I live in Florida and as far as I was able to understand there is no requirements.
Thank you so much for your quick response. You are truly a blessing.
This is a super helpful video. I was thinking that we would be done with IEW (S&S) after our second year of using it. It's a good foundation for our current 4th grader but I can see it getting repetitive after 2 years. I'm thinking of getting Writing & Rhetoric for middle school and will look into TGTB as well. Thanks so much!
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video! I’m so overwhelmed. My 9th grader ( son) is using TGATB this year. I strongly dislike writing because it’s not black and white. I don’t feel equipped to grade his papers because I’m not sure I completely understand all the different writing styles. I’m dyslexic myself so ELA was never my strong suit 😅
He did one year of Essentials and one year of challenge so he was exposed to IEW and LTOW but I wouldn’t say he “mastered” either.
Would you ever be willing to do a video on what all classes Katie has done up unto this point? I’m trying to figure out or make sure we’re doing “enough” it doesn’t feel like we are.
Thank you for always being so helpful!!
Thank you! I would continuing using the IEW and LTW skills in his writing. You could even use their checklists to help. I recently did an "everything we did "video! Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/DHIGJW5e2OM/v-deo.html
Loving this entire Homeschooling in High School series! I'm learning so much and you're taking away so much of my anxiety over planning for high school.
For Art of Argument, did you get the teacher's guide and give Katie the tests in order to get credit as a Logic course?
Thank you! Yes we had the student and teacher guide and did the whole program.
@@simplejoyfilledliving perfect! Thanks so much Colleen!
I’m looking at the art of argument and wondering how different it is from Fallacy detective? Is it a compliment to that? I was thinking of doing Fallacy detective next year with my 7th grader. Could the art of argument be done instead so my two oldest could do it together?
They are similar informal logic studies. You could do both. FD first semester and Art of Argument second semester.
We tried TGTB LA with my boys earlier this year. It was a flop. I hated sharing the book, I like having a teacher manual so I don’t have to look over shoulders constantly. And they got nothing out of the picture studies. So we’re using CLE LA. Maybe we’ll look at TGTB again one day.
I’m much more of a fan of their high school format than the elementary and middle school books.
Very helpful video like always thank you! I’ve always followed so many of your suggestions & they’ve always been so helpful! We do tgtb and love it but I feel like it does need more writing instruction added to it. My oldest is going into 6th grade tgtb level 5 and I was thinking of adding in a writing curriculum at least for the middle school years. In your opinion, If you went back & did tgtb for Katie for middle school. Would you do IEW for 2 years than 1 year of lost tools added in? And do you feel like just doing tgtb in high school is enough for writing? Thank you so much! I really appreciate all you share!
I’m glad she had some IEW and LTW. However, TG&TB high school writing instruction is similar to both so I probably would just do TG&TB if we did it again.
Thanks for this video! Do you think it's necessary to choose a curriculum that includes tests? I like TGATB but there are no tests, so how do you assign grades?
This is purely my opinion but to me, tests are extremely helpful in high school for several reasons. They get students ready for test taking that will come in college, they help you teach study habits, and they provide an objective method of grading (which lends credibility to homeschooling for college bound students). TG&TB high school language arts does have tests. Their history does not, which is why we used Master Books as our history spine and TG&TB for projects. We also used TG&TB history to bring our family together for morning time.
What did Katie use for Language Arts in elementary/middle school? My daughter is in 2nd grade. We have tried TGTB twice but it just hasn’t been a good fit for her. We are currently using CLE for Language Arts/Reading. My daughter is learning pretty well with it, but it can get boring at times.
She did Essentials and IEW with Classical Conversations from 4th-6th and LTW until we started TG&TB in 9th.
Did you test Katie in elementary school in math and LA? CLE has tests, but sometimes I just want to keep going instead of stopping to test.
Yes, but only because she was motivated by grades having come from public school. I’m not testing Sophie.
I told a viewer I’d ask you….
If the Mama isn’t confident in her own grammar skills, do you have any suggestions for helping her grade her high schoolers papers?
I suggested Fix it grammar and the IEW writing program, because that helped me personally hone in my own skills. But if they can’t add in the whole program…do you know of any other helps?
TG&TB is very strong in grammar. However you could always add Grammarly to help in checking papers for grammar and word usage. Katie finds it useful this year.
@@simplejoyfilledliving she said she uses that! 👍🏻
Love your video💕. My name is Yira. I'm homeschooling for the first time to a 7th grader. I'm planning to do IEW Structure and Style on January 2022, but I also want to do Lost Tools of Writing, in High School. Can you recommend me which of both programs is better to do first? IEW give a foundation to do Lost tools of writing later? Or viceversa? Thank you. From 🇵🇷 Puerto Rico.
To me, IEW is more general or broad, and LTW is more specific since it is just persuasive style. IEW would be easier to do first.
@@simplejoyfilledliving thank you so much! 😊
Is the Teacher's edition needed for the Art of Argument and The Argument Builder?
It’s been several years so I don’t remember. I know I have a video somewhere addressing it though. I also have them linked in my Amazon storefront snd I wouldn’t include a teacher’s edition if not needed. I believe one does have one and one doesn’t.
This was super helpful. We are just starting to homeschool my high schooler. We are using IEW for 9th grade because that is where she needs the most skill development. I was planning on using LTW to learn persuasive writing; but if she hasn’t had that would she learn it well enough with TGTB high school? I use TGTB with my much younger child and really like their lower levels.
I think it would be fine unless you want tons of practice exclusively on persuasive essays. If that’s the case I would add LTW.
@@simplejoyfilledliving thank you!
We use the new IEW video based program for middle school. We love it.
It’s a great program!
Thank you for this Colleen! I’ve always felt that writing is sooooo important for college. My question is this: If I wanted to switch my daughter to TGATB LA, should I do it now? She’s currently using a popular program that’s ok, but we don’t love it. Also, she used TGATB last year, 9th grade High School Year 1. I loved it, but she didn’t. But she’s like Katie…she doesn’t like writing and LA! 🤷🏻♀️😂
She’s a sophomore, right? If so you could just do year 2-3 in her junior snd senior year. That works if you aren’t planning DE for English. If you are, I would switch sooner.
Ok sounds great. Thank you!
I have a 7th grade boy that is very week in writing. We are very new to Homeschooling. Would you suggest us beginning with IEW?
Yes, that would be a great place to start.
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Aside from IEW and TGTB, the resources you mentioned are all new to me. Thank you for sharing!
Do you have plans on doing a video on your entire college application process? I'd be bookmarking that because having grown up and finished university overseas, passing the entrance exam was pretty much all I had to do. I'm still not clear on the whole idea of ranking of applicants, acceptance rates, essays and community service/volunteer records, etc. I can Google it but firsthand accounts are always better, especially coming from someone wise like you. 🙂 TIA!
That’s a video I am planning to do soon.
I'm sending my son down so that you can teach his Language Arts and grade him. Okay?
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Ok, I have Structure & Style written down to start in 6th grade and use through out junior high for my reluctant mildly dyslexic son. I hope that isn’t behind.
No you do what works best for him.