The Problem with Modern Metalcore

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  • Discussing the problem with modern metalcore
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  • @NikNocturnal
    @NikNocturnal  Рік тому +310

    *C0RE for lyfe*

    • @kaakelimuki3509
      @kaakelimuki3509 Рік тому +1

      Agreed!

    • @quasimodoshunchback
      @quasimodoshunchback Рік тому

      Yupppp

    • @theRealLeperchaun17
      @theRealLeperchaun17 Рік тому +1

      The devil wears Prada is a perfect example.

    • @midoxbz
      @midoxbz Рік тому

      Hi bro
      I'm going to start answering you, it's that the big problem with metalcore is you too, metalcore evolves year by year, of course the metalcore of 2002 is different from 2009 from 2012 from 2020 from 2022, the music evolves, but to talk about the problem, you just talk about the big bands or precisely the most famous, Architects, A day To remeber, BMTH... but is metalcore just these bands?????
      no and no and no, this year is full of metalcore new albums and new singles and new EPs, here are some examples bro:
      InVisions - deadlock
      Dreamwake - Virtual Reality
      Saviour - Shine & Fade (and I think it's the best)
      Allt- The Seed Of Self-Destruction (a progressive metalcore cake)
      Hollow Front - The Price of Dreaming
      Bleed From Within - SHRINE
      RED HANDED DENIAL - I'd Rather Be Asleep (and the beautiful voice by lauren)
      Motionless In White - Scoring The End Of The World (and the best mixed between metalcore electronic and gothic metal)
      Secrets - The Collapse
      Spiritbox- Rotoscope (3 songs of medern metalcore/djent and proggy stuffs, also pop musics)
      Betraying The Martyrs - Silver Lining (and its a big EP)
      Villain of the Story- Divided (and the evolution of metalcore sound)
      and and and and and........
      my brother, the problem is that you and the reacters want to react not to present 2nd class bands or underrated bands or also a 1st class bands, but you just want to react to a song that has made a trend, or react on the big bands or the famous ones
      so you just want a lot of views per video or likes
      so you're not helping metalcore
      so the problem is you, and also the metalcore public who don't want to evolve or support new bands or the best bands like Villain of the story or Hollow Front or Savior....
      I noticed in 2021, there were no reactors who reacted to Like Moths To The Flame's huge EP, none, even in the top 10 EPs, oh my GOD
      In short, metalcore still alive, still best, evolving
      Thank you Hollow Front, Thank you Villain Of The Story, Thank you Savior, Thank you The wise mans fear, ...............................................................Thank you Thank you Thank you
      "Metalcore for life"

    • @midoxbz
      @midoxbz Рік тому

      brother
      activate your alarm to have fun with a 2022 metalcore
      I Prevail - TRUE POWER- 19 08 2022
      Drag Me Out - DEMONS AWAY - 26 08 2022
      Novelists FR - Déjà Vu - 02 09 2022
      Electric Callboy - Tekkno - 09 09 2022
      Miss May I- Curse of Existence - 09 09 2022
      The Devil Wears Prada- Color Decay- 16 09 2022
      Counterparts- A Eulogy for Those Still Here- 07 10 2022
      The Wise Man’s Fear - Atlas Ruinica
      ...

  • @rumblemustachegames5439
    @rumblemustachegames5439 Рік тому +539

    August Burns Red is an example of a band who has experimented but haven’t lost themselves completely imo. Some albums work better than others, but their talent level is insane.

    • @LENKRAD
      @LENKRAD Рік тому +10

      Yes absolutely. They were one of my favorite bands with such a distinctive style but the last 3 Albums were all just all over the place... Went to their 10 Years of Constellations Tour though, since they were playing so many good songs.

    • @skeletonrowdie1768
      @skeletonrowdie1768 Рік тому +9

      love every single one of them

    • @ultraball69
      @ultraball69 Рік тому +12

      I love August Burns Red

    • @paulberlucchi9878
      @paulberlucchi9878 Рік тому +4

      I love this band so much but I have the feeling that they have past their prime, it looks like they are playing in smaller venues (at least in Europe) , they dont seem so popular right nowadays, what do you guys think ?

    • @markhendley5559
      @markhendley5559 Рік тому +9

      Red is very talented but I feel like the Christian label keeps them from going mainstream. Not that that is a problem. I think they are right where they want to be.

  • @m1nayondaime
    @m1nayondaime Рік тому +479

    My problem with PWD's change isn't in the sound. It's in the lyrics. It just sounds really cheese now, whereas their older albums have some of the most profound lyrics I've ever heard.
    Same with Architects, but harder to fault them for the change in their lyrics, since Tom was the main writer for lyrics, and passed away.
    100% agree with Invent Animate. It's criminal how that band is not talked about enough.

    • @Sl4yer17
      @Sl4yer17 Рік тому +5

      Yeah, for me it seems that they are out of ideas

    • @Minkfang
      @Minkfang Рік тому +22

      Same with amity, every song is about death and dying but rather shallow. It’s unhealthy he’s like 40 not 14 anymore

    • @m1nayondaime
      @m1nayondaime Рік тому +5

      @Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] Holy Hell was a great album for sure, but I doubt they'll ever surpass All our Gods (at least for me, anyway. I know that's subjective)

    • @BigMouthPrick33
      @BigMouthPrick33 Рік тому +12

      Parkway Drive never topped their first album,K.W.A.S was 🔥🔥

    • @widexawake_
      @widexawake_ Рік тому +3

      @Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] It's the "best" lyrically to you. I'd rather listen to The Here and Now than Holy Hell because HH is boring as all fuck

  • @xerxes2568
    @xerxes2568 Рік тому +63

    Just saw erras headline tour with alpha wolf, thornhill and invent animate and I can confidently say that all of these bands deserve so much more recognition. All 4 of them live were just perfect and so tight

    • @oozyanthony
      @oozyanthony Рік тому +1

      I agree. Saw them in Vancouver and they all blew me away

    • @Astrobuns
      @Astrobuns Рік тому

      Seen them in Anaheim! Amazing show!

    • @danlikesmusic
      @danlikesmusic Рік тому +1

      Thornhill is so dope man. I didn’t their new album at first cause the mix so weird. The really remind me of Deftones and I love that. And the dude from Alphawolf instantly gained my respect when last week I saw him, ON STAGE, speaking up about venues taking 20% of the merch sales they make. Seeing them next month and really excited

    • @danunea99
      @danunea99 Рік тому

      Just saw this lineup last Saturday and they were fucking amazing!!!!

    • @Jarlaxle_Baenre
      @Jarlaxle_Baenre Рік тому

      Alpha Wolf is incredible live. Moreso than even their recorded stuff.

  • @ianmcpeck424
    @ianmcpeck424 Рік тому +178

    My biggest problem I have with metalcore is that an unfortunate amount of songs are centered around the breakdown. The song itself will be okay, but you can really tell that they just care about the breakdown.

    • @tingachhakchhuak6083
      @tingachhakchhuak6083 Рік тому +17

      This....i agree so much.

    • @Tsuferman
      @Tsuferman Рік тому +10

      Yup.

    • @ivanivezic1249
      @ivanivezic1249 Рік тому +8

      You are absolutely correct

    • @julianbeck2408
      @julianbeck2408 Рік тому +13

      Yeah, I agree. While She Sleeps imo is a band who does not follow this formula fortunately. Don't listen to them a whole lot but their dynamics and song structure always sticks out from the rest imo.

    • @dominikac.5506
      @dominikac.5506 Рік тому +8

      Yes yes yes! I don't need a crazy breakdown every single time. But the problem is with the huge part of the community who almost DEMANDS these breakdown, like it's the only interesting thing for them.

  • @AHH96
    @AHH96 Рік тому +89

    You don't have to follow your favorite bands wherever they go. Some of my favorite bands changed in ways I wasn't in love with, and it's nothing against the artist the way I see it. If you want to innovate do that, but you are not entitled to a certain reaction from a fanbase. People will love and hate whatever they will and if someone needs a fanbase to validate everything they do, then I personally have some real doubts about that person's ability to innovate.

    • @diegestrandetekokosnuss5865
      @diegestrandetekokosnuss5865 Рік тому +6

      Hey i fully agree with your frist point, but you should think a second time about the last one. I mean you do understand how bands or Music in general works, right? The money does not fall from trees. It only makes sense for bands to care, if people like thair music. xD

    • @derekrose3328
      @derekrose3328 Рік тому +1

      Thank you. Linkin Park once described albums as going on vacation: you don’t always have to go with them. Your artists would love for you to go with them if the location and time is for you. To that, I’d add it doesn’t mean you have to hate your friend because they’re going to a place this one time you don’t want to go to, you know?
      To boot, you have your photo albums of all the prior places you went with them that you can revisit WHENEVER you want (using an analogy for all their albums you DO adore), and you have all of those memories and experiences to relive whenever you wish, too.
      Thank you for how you put that 🤝

  • @pewdiefriesms
    @pewdiefriesms Рік тому +236

    I think Loathe with their I Let It In album is some of the best innovation for metalcore and while it's a rollercoaster of an album, I think it's a great example of how metalcore can be pushed into interesting areas while still being metalcore. I personally think that album is one of the best to come out in recent years.

    • @vini6391
      @vini6391 Рік тому +25

      We need more bands like Loathe, in my opinion their last album is one of the best productions in this scene

    • @doomslayer8431
      @doomslayer8431 Рік тому +4

      I agree, I love Loathe

    • @widexawake_
      @widexawake_ Рік тому +11

      Is it really innovation? I love "I Let it In", and "A Sad Cartoon" will forever be one of my top ten songs of all time, but it's really just a love letter to the early 2000's Alt and Prog scene. Isn't weird how the stuff from older generations seems refreshing now?

    • @c4gam1ng12
      @c4gam1ng12 Рік тому +2

      Eh, it’s a great album, but not that innovative. It’s heavily reminiscent of Deftones, which isn’t a bad thing, but still, not that unique or groundbreaking.

    • @takoshihitsamaru4675
      @takoshihitsamaru4675 Рік тому +10

      @@widexawake_ It's innovative because they're taking ideas we've heard before and injecting them in a way we HAVEN'T heard before. Go listen to Erik's production on Rouge Carpet Disaster, there's nothing in emo punk that sounds like that shit.

  • @playthefightriffjohn843
    @playthefightriffjohn843 Рік тому +26

    If metalcore is going to be good again, it needs to be hardcore again. Newer metalcore bands like END, SYSC, Chamber, Foreign Pain, Dying Wish, Knocked Loose, etc. are really what the genre needs to go back to.

    • @Haeruna
      @Haeruna Місяць тому

      It would be totally fine going back to At The Gates-times but the mainstream fusions generally don't work

    • @theoneandonly7019
      @theoneandonly7019 Місяць тому

      and melodic metalcore

  • @erickastberg4799
    @erickastberg4799 Рік тому +49

    And then there is dance gavin dance. No one can deny the fact that as soon as you hear a song by them, you can feel that they’re having hella fun in the studio. It’s heavy, it’s funk, it’s math, it’s I dont even know anymore. I feel like my biggest gripe with alot of metalcore bands is that it’s stagnant and not as ”fun”. Feels like alot of bands are just doing this new octane core thing and call it a day.
    Edit: Norma Jean is another band that can experiment but still sound refreshing and nostalgic.

    • @c4gam1ng12
      @c4gam1ng12 Рік тому +1

      DGD isn’t really metalcore, they’re post hardcore and math rock

    • @blakewarford1168
      @blakewarford1168 Рік тому +1

      They aren't metalcore. They literally have their own sub-genre, Swancore. Which is just 15 bands that all sound like DGD, but it's not ripping off cause it's 'swancore'

    • @erickastberg4799
      @erickastberg4799 Рік тому +1

      @@blakewarford1168 never said they were metalcore just wanted to mention them

    • @IrreIephant
      @IrreIephant Рік тому +1

      DGD may be far removed from a lot of the stuff covered on this channel and specifically this video but I agree with you. Can’t deny the fact that they play some shit they love. It’s easily my favorite group of the past 10 years. RIP Tim

    • @iel69burner
      @iel69burner Рік тому +2

      Great musicians but their music is so annoying

  • @kcadventures1454
    @kcadventures1454 Рік тому +11

    I went back to my 2006-2009 metalcore.

  • @nightlife4857
    @nightlife4857 Рік тому +4

    we’re def tryna fuck w the sound like for this reason, glad more ppl are with it 🤝🏾

  • @Tessitura9
    @Tessitura9 Рік тому +2

    This is why I feel like I've drifted a little from metalcore and more into prog metal / rock bands like Animals as Leaders, Polyphia, Chon, Plini, Jason Richardson, Angel Vivaldi, many of your standard instrumental guys. Even Fire from the Gods, Northlane, Skyharbor, Volumes, The Contortionist, basically any band that's not so concerned with fitting into rigid genre boxes. I really dig when bands experiment with other genres and even collab with artists from outside of the genre. I'm still into the core, but sometimes I need a little more emotional variety.

  • @distant6606
    @distant6606 Рік тому +1

    yo nik i ve really been enjoying the 00s metalcore playlist you have on spotify. itd be amazing if you could make 1 for recent metalcore exclusively

  • @guitargod7843
    @guitargod7843 Рік тому +81

    I think Trivium have moved on from metalcore itself, but it wasn't a drastic change. They just moved on to melodic metal, and they're thriving like crazy right now. They're my favorite band of all time and I absolutely love what they're doing

    • @animal1439
      @animal1439 Рік тому +10

      exactly, they grew up in metalcore, but they've incorporated elements from a ton of different genres and they have solidified their own unique sound

    • @OceanofPain
      @OceanofPain Рік тому +19

      Trivium always had that very thrashy vibe upon melodic metalcore, they always felt more different

    • @joshzickus8394
      @joshzickus8394 Рік тому +6

      Trivium has always been pretty versatile I think. They do a good job of throwing in a taste of different sub-genres without ever straying too far from their original sound. Funny enough I feel like their last few albums are more similar to their early stuff but with all the added experience and expertise that comes with being around for so long.

    • @JohnFromAccounting
      @JohnFromAccounting Рік тому +4

      Trivium make great music so I don't care what the subgenre is called.

    • @maddulei1721
      @maddulei1721 Рік тому +3

      Amen! Trivium had a little Letdown after loosing Travis as their Drummer but since 2017 they have Alex Bent and their last Three Albums are over the Top. It's like He gave them the Old Spirit back👌🏻

  • @YFZ52
    @YFZ52 Рік тому +64

    My take on this topic: I'm now in my mid-30s. I was a teenager in highschool during that "golden" metalcore era in the mid 2000's. I've matured, and along with that, so have my music tastes and general style. While I do still love the 2000s sound, it's now something I listen to for nostalgia more than current desire. I've accepted bands change in time. If I'm allowed to grow as a person, it's not fair to think guys the same age as me in metalcore bands don't want to grow as people as well. Is it always for the good in their album sound? Nope. But let them figure that out. I don't always like the direction bands go but that's life I guess. There are always new bands to explore and you can go reminisce on hundreds of albums from the last decade.

    • @jotunn30
      @jotunn30 Рік тому +4

      Yeah same...it kinda sucks when bands you loved the sound of go in a direction you dislike, but to be real it's happened so many times to me i just move on and listen to something new. There's so much music out there that getting sad/mad about disliking a band you liked isn't worth it lol

    • @BlockbusterKnight
      @BlockbusterKnight Рік тому

      Pretty much exactly what I said. We have all that good stuff from these bands already. They grind it out playing in shitty venues for a decade. They deserve the fruits of their labor damn it lol. You could be the best damn cashier in the supermarket but if someone wants to make you a manager you’re gonna do it for the pay. Evolve or die.

    • @MightBeCale
      @MightBeCale Рік тому +3

      Totally agreed. I'm at a point in my life where I'll listen to just about anything if it sounds good to me. I'm not typically too happy about bands changing their sound drastically, but there's plenty that I do enjoy quite a bit.

  • @thomasgarbett1711
    @thomasgarbett1711 Рік тому

    Really cool vid man, nice to just talk it through. Just a suggestion for a vid I would love to see, your Top 5 "innovative" bands for each respective sub-genre. Invent Animate as an example for Metalcore, Lorna and Darko for deathcore etc. You kinda touched on it and I'd love to see it as a vid 💕
    Love your work

  • @MrMetalMan
    @MrMetalMan Рік тому +27

    Motionless in White have been growing musically as a band, but still consistently deliver that metal core sound and style better and better with each album. Their newest one was amazing!

    • @theoraclehostvessel
      @theoraclehostvessel Рік тому +1

      yeah I really think they just try to better and hone their technique as they grow and learn as people. I wasn't much of a motionless in white fan growing up but I've been getting more into their music lately to a point where I can go back and appreciate older songs. music doesn't have to be linear

    • @forevermarked5826
      @forevermarked5826 Рік тому +1

      Don't like them...

  • @Kotsoros37
    @Kotsoros37 Рік тому +4

    Deftones and Thall track confirmed for next Termina! Haha I agree man deathcore has been much more experimental lately and really pushing the boundaries, lot of good hardcore and metalcore but alot is going back to the old school which I love. Wave war, erra and Invent animate are some good modern ones like you said . I see core more as one genre nowadays which is crazy but alot of bands are blending it like you and Termina under the umbrella of modern metal. Much love dude! ❤️

  • @TheChaoticReflection
    @TheChaoticReflection Рік тому +24

    That's a thing... while deathcore bands experiments, huge metalcore bands like parkway drive turn into radio rock and follow tropes of other stale genres, not much of an experiment if you ask me. Latest Silent Planet album is full of experiments and all i see is almost universal support. Northlane experiment a lot, no negative reception there either, so maybe not a genre ceiling is a problem but a bands themeselves.

  • @clintonbruning
    @clintonbruning Рік тому +119

    One band that has never gone away and always owned their sound and in my opinion wrote some of their best stuff recently is the devil wears Prada. Even with several line up changes, their past few EPs slap, and I’ve been listening to them since 2008.

    • @mfachryofficial
      @mfachryofficial Рік тому +1

      They are the best indeed

    • @danielbrawner3677
      @danielbrawner3677 Рік тому +2

      Id have to disagree, though I too have been listening since HTML Rulez d00d.
      In my view, they stopped being good at 8:18, with 8:18 being their last good LP. Z2 was incredible.
      I'm not saying they need to be heavy, but the way they do their screams/singing. Is is such an angsty and cry-baby-boo-hoo style, it bugs me. The music itself isn't bad, the lyrics are pretty damn great, but the vocals kill it for me starting with Transit Blues and After. I understand what they are trying to get at with their vocal change, but it just isn't for me, and I dislike it one heck of a lot. It's hard for me to listen to them.

    • @Shredxcam22
      @Shredxcam22 Рік тому +2

      The act was the odd one out

    • @js18
      @js18 Рік тому +5

      Their latest singles are some of the best tracks I’ve ever heard, tell me Watchtower and Sacrifice aren’t a perfect blend of the old and new

    • @clintonbruning
      @clintonbruning Рік тому +1

      @@danielbrawner3677 with roots above and branches below used to be my favorite album. I thought their first few albums without James and chris were meh. Then Daniel left so I wrote them off for a few years. I guess the vocal change doesn’t seem to bother me as much as it does you, but I see what you mean. It definitely has shifted, Jeremy plays a much bigger role now. I think it has to do with helping mike recover between live shows, because with the volume of screaming he was doing, he sounded terrible by the 8:18 days.

  • @rebeloftheundead1658
    @rebeloftheundead1658 Рік тому +1

    That’s why I love when every band I listen to comes out with a new style and sometimes they can come up with heavier stuff from their olds or even something that becomes the new heavy but even than if a bands goes a less heavy stuff I enjoy gives me a new thing to look forward to when I keep listening to a band

  • @thea9192
    @thea9192 Рік тому +193

    i’ve always loved bands that experiment and blend genres. i think spiritbox, ice nine, and motionless are innovating while still keeping one foot in the core. i don’t think most fans realize that they’d be unhappy getting the same thing over and over again

    • @blaizegottman4139
      @blaizegottman4139 Рік тому +12

      Yeah motionless in White Will always be Great

    • @ManG1aze
      @ManG1aze Рік тому +5

      Dude for real. Like if parkway just kept that horizons and atlas type sound, it'd be way overdone by this point.

    • @StevelandCleamer
      @StevelandCleamer Рік тому +4

      I used to love I9K, but man I just can’t get down with their obsession with shitty 80’s horror movies. It seems like such a gimmick because those guys are so talented.

    • @attakerz871
      @attakerz871 Рік тому +4

      You should listen to Avatar, each album is different from the other. They are amazing

    • @blaizegottman4139
      @blaizegottman4139 Рік тому +3

      @@ManG1aze Yeah I don't think parkway drive sounds like metcalcore anymore

  • @frontrowvideos3663
    @frontrowvideos3663 Рік тому +8

    that’s why i love post hardcore cause you can have the heaviness of metalcore but also do so much more with it

  • @nyxhamilton6778
    @nyxhamilton6778 Рік тому +6

    Ice Nine Kills are doing a good job on expanding their Metalcore sound and incorporating new elements to it

  • @ryanbollinger1759
    @ryanbollinger1759 Рік тому +38

    This is why I feel bands like Ice Nine Kills and Bring me the Horizon are really in a great position. Their sound has been diverse from the start, allowing them to do whatever they want sonically. Those two bands and bands following in their footsteps absolutely get it. I mean, look at Bad Omens.
    The key is you cannot just do one thing, because the minute you try something different people will get upset. If you’re going to try new styles you NEED to blend that into your current sound or it will sound drastic.

    • @cordellheadrick5890
      @cordellheadrick5890 Рік тому

      Exactly

    • @thelittleowl1
      @thelittleowl1 Рік тому

      Spot on. I love when a band changes.

    • @ryanshinermusic
      @ryanshinermusic Рік тому +2

      That's not exactly true. People were PISSED at BMTH when they released Sempiternal and Ice Nine Kills just didn't have as big of a fanbase to care.
      Even ADTR, who has never been a flat out metalcore band and has always had a diverse sound, got tons of hate last year for not releasing a straight up metalcore album.

    • @blaizegottman4139
      @blaizegottman4139 Рік тому

      I really love die 4 u it's a Good song and I still remember when they sounded like alternative rock but I was Glad when they sounded like metal core again

    • @thelittleowl1
      @thelittleowl1 Рік тому

      @@ryanshinermusic tbf i think it just wasn’t a great album. It wasn’t bad tho for sure.

  • @chatsfornia238
    @chatsfornia238 Рік тому +10

    I was obsessed with The Dark Pool album from Thornhill that alternative metalcore style was incredibly well done my favorite metalcore album I've had in years. That sound is the future of metalcore. I was so underwhelmed with their new album/sound the mixing is so muddled and you can barley hear Jacobs vocals a damn shame because he has such a unique voice.

    • @bruce4751
      @bruce4751 Рік тому +3

      I totally agree. I couldn’t stop listening to Dark Pool and was so excited for the new album. Then they began to release the singles and I was super disappointed. I just can’t get into the whole Deftones/shoegaze (I think that’s the proper term) sound. Maybe if it was a different band it would be fine, but for Thornhill to release that? Major bummer.

    • @Pekasalmeron
      @Pekasalmeron Рік тому

      It's funny to see how different people react to new albums. I really enjoyed The Dark Pool as well but I thought that Heroine was the perfect next time. Great song with catchy vibes and most importantly, not a The Dark Pool 2

  • @adamsimpson1146
    @adamsimpson1146 Рік тому +20

    An entire video about metalcore and I don’t think I heard you mention August Burns Red once. They are a great example of, in my opinion, a top tier 00’s metalcore band that hasn’t “sold out” and is still putting out amazing and innovative music. All of there new albums are distinctly different yet you know it’s ABR.

    • @android521
      @android521 Рік тому +2

      Every ABR album sounds like ABR. They don’t need to change it up much because they do it so well.

    • @ethanbrinkman3401
      @ethanbrinkman3401 Рік тому +1

      I watched just to see if he would mention ABR.

    • @TheTXStateBobcat
      @TheTXStateBobcat Рік тому +2

      Also immediately thought of ABR and how they continue to be pure metalcore.

  • @wrench1674
    @wrench1674 Рік тому +1

    hit it on the head with the bands coming out of Japan right now they have so much variety in their metal its crazy. i just think they dont tour in america all that often so they get overlooked. i mean crossfaith is finally doing a headline american tour in what seems like forever and then theres crystal lake and coldrain that dont get talked about nearly enough in the music scenes or any major tour.

  • @pasha1877
    @pasha1877 Рік тому +3

    nice that you mentioned ERRA, Crystal Lake and Alpha Wolf together because that could be my top 3 of modern metal

  • @nikoraasu6929
    @nikoraasu6929 Рік тому +6

    I used to be a mostly metalcore listener, but recently discovered some great deathcore bands like WITHIN DESTRUCTION, Lorna Shore (ofc), BoS, FFAA and I love the variety all these bands have

    • @danieldavidson5447
      @danieldavidson5447 Рік тому +1

      Born of Osiris is my fav band and Within Destruction is insanely underrated!!

    • @cmillspa1
      @cmillspa1 Рік тому +1

      FFAA was my introduction to deathcore and what an introduction it was. Those guys are tight.

  •  Рік тому +11

    Invent Animate is so heavily underrated it's a case for science. The most exciting band out there right now

    • @hepahnacountry2969
      @hepahnacountry2969 Рік тому +2

      The metal core is still out there. You got a reach for the hidden gems!

    •  Рік тому +1

      @@hepahnacountry2969 definetly dude.

    • @hepahnacountry2969
      @hepahnacountry2969 Рік тому

      @Jolin Alexandernobody just stating facts. It's always been the underground metal core for me and of course it's not dead but I know I don't speak for everyone

    • @Butterfly-lr6ed
      @Butterfly-lr6ed Рік тому

      Same for Arcaeon, but to a MUCH larger degree for them.

  • @ParallaxSound315
    @ParallaxSound315 Рік тому +1

    7:00 that point is exactly what my last band was doing and my current band is doing. Trying not to stick too much to one style, because we love a lot of different stuff, so from the beginning we're doing a bunch of stuff. Some Deathcore type stuff, some NY Hardcore ish stuff, Metalcore, etc

    • @Tasmanaut
      @Tasmanaut Рік тому

      so all trash, basically. Got it 👍

    • @ParallaxSound315
      @ParallaxSound315 Рік тому

      @@Tasmanaut ironic coming from someone watching a Nik Nocturnal video.
      If you don't like any of that, why are your here?

    • @Tasmanaut
      @Tasmanaut Рік тому

      @@ParallaxSound315 the algorithm. And I can say what I want, snowflake. UA-cam isn't your safe space.

  • @andymorris4653
    @andymorris4653 Рік тому

    bruh I just saw ERRA, Invent Animate, and Alphawolf the other night I'm so excited that you mentioned them lol

  • @josebejarano9498
    @josebejarano9498 Рік тому +50

    My problem with most bands that change genres is that the change stylistically speaking is so sudden that it really splits the audience and fan base. There are only a few bands who were able to switch genres successfully but the two that immediately come to mind are bmth and Paramore. Bmth obviously started as a deathcore band and over time became a more alternative metal band and has been super successful doing so. And although Paramore are not metal their transition from pop punk to pop rock is almost seamless. If bands took time to slowly evolve like these two bands did then I think they would have a really good mix of new and old fans. Just my thoughts tho.

    • @porcu12345
      @porcu12345 Рік тому +7

      Don't really agree with your take on Paramore. They changed their sound pretty drastically between Brand New Eyes in 2009 and their Self-titled in 2013. They lost a lot of fans but tapped into the "normies" crowd which gained them a ton of followers and made it look like they hadn't split their fan base.

    • @timmayo7014
      @timmayo7014 Рік тому

      So you want bands to not follow the direction that they want to? To give you an extra album between what they had released and what they want to release? Like is that the same T.V series between seasons? you want a mid break season to fill the gap if it isn't a direct follow on? Like yes that would make things easier for people to adjust. but it also may not be what the band want to play and may not be what they enjoy playing. I'm all for bands changing their sound if they want. It's their careers and they are they ones having to play the music all the time. let them do as they please. if it doesn't float ya boat then only listen to the songs you like. its our jobs as consumers to use the products we like not criticize the people who release things we don't like.

    • @josebejarano9498
      @josebejarano9498 Рік тому

      @@timmayo7014 yeah I understand what you're saying. They should make what they want. A huge jump in genre is bound to lose fans and that's ok because like you said they can always listen to songs they like. I don't really care about bands changing and evolving their sound as long as it's done right. I'll use architects for example. They've played metalcore for so long and became masters at the genre and they set an expectation for their fans of good metalcore music. But with their most recent song tear gas it was a massive jump in genre and the fan base was incredibly split. It's not their fault alone, it's definitely mine and a lot of other listeners for having that expectation but the expectation was there nonetheless and the end result was disappointing when you were expecting metalcore. After going back to it I enjoy it for what it is but a good amount of people aren't even willing to go back and listen to it a second or third time.

    • @bryanholzer2782
      @bryanholzer2782 Рік тому +1

      Whitechapel did a really good job of navigating through new genres as well. Coming from being an OG deathcore pioneer, the fact that they were able to change their sound as much as they have and not lose footing with their fanbase is impressive.

    • @noname-ng6sj
      @noname-ng6sj Рік тому

      @Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] you think a thousand suns is the most influential linkin park record and you think The Plot In You is goated.

  • @MrLemondog
    @MrLemondog Рік тому +12

    One band that comes to mind is Ice Nine Kills, who definitely have their own thing going for them, while also keeping that metalcore sound while also changing things up and growing their fan base. Been a huge fan of them since 2015 and they’ve never grown stale for me

  • @antman8845
    @antman8845 Рік тому +2

    What's interesting to me is that I wasn't really understanding or agreeing with what you meant for the first 4 minutes or so about there being not many interesting metalcore bands any more, but then you went and listed off basically every band I listen to the most at the moment (bury tomorrow, crystal lake, trivium, bleed from within, bullet) and I kind of realise that I do agree with you 100%, I just didn't really think of it this way, I just stick to the bands I know and love.

  • @drewmcgill5290
    @drewmcgill5290 Рік тому

    The revivalcore bands is where my heart is at the moment. Just found Foreign Hands from the STYG tour playlist and they’re great.

  • @disabledanddepressed7497
    @disabledanddepressed7497 Рік тому +20

    I agree for the most part I like when bands experiment but still keep the vibe I guess like Make Them Suffer with how they got more melodic and whatnot I think The Attendant is one of their best songs, But at the same time I hate when bands say they're going to experiment and they just get soft and sound lifeless, add different styles of heavy into the band there is plenty of extreme genre's out there for bands to explore get softer and heavier, I really don't like the last 2 architects songs for example and some of the songs off FTTWTE but some songs off that album sound cool and experimental like Dead Butterflies and An Ordinary Extinction. I'm all for experimentation but hate when bands hide behind it to justify things

  • @AlexOTV
    @AlexOTV Рік тому +14

    I really like this kind of video. I think I felt the same way with a lot of post-hardcore bands becoming metalcore-like. I also get why people would keep to what they like and get pretty defensive when it comes to changes in their favourite artist's style. At the end of the day we're all gonna be listening to Never Gonna Give You Up By Rick Astley once in a while anyways.

  • @wofmanpt18
    @wofmanpt18 Рік тому

    Hollow Front, Currents, good stuff.
    Ps: what does 50/50 octave split means at 5:00?

  • @RebeIMate
    @RebeIMate Рік тому +1

    I would also suggest to look at bands like Void of Vision and Allt. Not many are talking about them, but personally I see a lot of potential in them to give some push for metalcore to evolve as a genre.

  • @StevelandCleamer
    @StevelandCleamer Рік тому +64

    Definitely agree with this. I do feel like Polaris deserves way more love and credit than they get.

    • @atomictoaster8013
      @atomictoaster8013 Рік тому +5

      I think they’re really overrated, honestly. a solid band, but overrated

    • @mattcook3801
      @mattcook3801 Рік тому +2

      Polaris are likely going to lean heavier towards the progcore. They’re pretty niche on the metal spectrum, attract haters by the dozen for whatever reason (clean vocals, most likely), but I expect their next album to go pretty hard.

    • @StevelandCleamer
      @StevelandCleamer Рік тому +5

      @@mattcook3801 I love when people don’t like clean vocals. It’s literally the dumbest thing so their opinions are easier to discount.😂

    • @Jacksoncomplex
      @Jacksoncomplex Рік тому +2

      Polaris are a very good band but also suuuuper generic. I think their songwriting is top notch but as of now they aren't one of the bands pushing the genre forward. Bands like loathe, northlane, alpha wolf, diamond construct and bad omens are the ones expanding the boundaries of metalcore.

    • @StevelandCleamer
      @StevelandCleamer Рік тому +3

      @@Jacksoncomplex you just called Polaris generic and then said that Bad Omens isn’t.. was that a typo bro?

  • @danielsteinkele5120
    @danielsteinkele5120 Рік тому +27

    One Band that always pops into my head when talking about new experiences ans different styles, even within one album, is Heaven Shall Burn. The Band members always say in interviews that always have a curtain concept in mind and just play and try different stuff until they believe it sounds good
    And holy shit it does sound good
    Would love to see you talk about them aswell

    • @fredriksvard2603
      @fredriksvard2603 Рік тому +1

      You have good taste

    • @Jopeymessmusic
      @Jopeymessmusic Рік тому +2

      They're well known but there's a good chance Nik doesn't know them. DTOP and iconoclast are top tier albums. More in common with the Gothenburg sound than what NA'ricans consider metalcore though.

    • @PleasureToGrill
      @PleasureToGrill Рік тому +1

      Also put some Neaera next to HSB, their self-titled comeback was ON FIRE! Too bad they don't get the same level of recognition for their work.

    • @danielsteinkele5120
      @danielsteinkele5120 Рік тому +1

      @@Jopeymessmusic i really want Nik to react to Endzeit, Counterweight, Hunters Will Be Hunted and Children of a lesser god

    • @danielsteinkele5120
      @danielsteinkele5120 Рік тому

      @@fredriksvard2603 thanks, you too

  • @x-nihilo
    @x-nihilo Рік тому

    Video aside, I'd like to see you doing voiceovers or narrating or anything that showcases how your deep voice can be so soothing.

  • @jarensauer1898
    @jarensauer1898 Рік тому

    Check out the and ‘Rouge’ if you haven’t already. I’ve binged them on repeat for the past few months. Their songs Homo Sapien and Archetype are probably my favorites. So heavy.

  • @Kalebsweeten
    @Kalebsweeten Рік тому +13

    I agree. I think whitechapel killed their “transitional” style and really bright a mix of old and new with their last two records. The metal community is too close minded on bands doing new shit. You don’t have to love it but that doesn’t mean it’s objectively bad.

  • @joelflex
    @joelflex Рік тому +30

    Deathcore scene is absolutely exploding right now. I couldn’t have found a better time to get into extreme metal than I have now. Been enjoying so many different bands from all over the world and they can take so many genres and blend them together while still remaining “deathcore”.

  • @MoskauProductions
    @MoskauProductions Рік тому +1

    Really glad you made this video. It's something that's been frustrating to me with some bands is they change their sound to appease the radio rock scene instead of trying new experiments to their sound. I don't hate all the new songs that have been coming out, but I can't help myself when a band makes the same song as the next band. It's really hard to take the genre seriously when bands follow trends instead of their musical creativity. It's a risk and I know they do it to make a living, but it's hardly an excuse when it's literally the same song over and over again. Breakdowns don't help a song either. They're cool but not essential. It's just a shame and it leaves a lot of fans disappointed.

  • @RSS7163
    @RSS7163 Рік тому +2

    My only comment / opinion is the concept of side projects that most artists do when they want to experiment. I personally think that is the best way to go when it comes to any band whether it be metalcore or any genre. You come across issues where you want a band to grow and evolve and the band itself may want to have a different sound or evolve their sound eventually. The issue comes across when you have too many members of the band having too many different opinions on which direction the sound should go to. When that happens you end up with a band that releases an album that normally comes out to mediocre reviews and is usually the album you put mid to last on your list when your asked what are your favorite albums from that band. Also that's why most people always say eventually why can't this band sound like they used to. The most common thing I keep hearing when I talk to people about music and new albums coming out they're usually hoping it sounds like their old stuff. I'm just going to use a very mainstream band as an example. Take Disturbed, in my opinion they haven't come out with a decent album in years. Their last album evolution in my opinion was a very egocentric album based off of them wanting to evolve and for some reason make an acoustic album. It didn't come out good and if you look at the sales the chart numbers and just the overall reviews from UA-cam creators to the magazines. Now they're coming out with a new album which they even said it sounded more like 10,000 Fists or around that era. It's a very common theme so in my opinion why can't the metal core bands stay the same evolve in that type of sound because it is possible to change in the range of your original sound. Then if anyone wanted to try a different sound in the band they could either break off and do their own thing or if they all agree to go and sound different they could easily make two bands with the same members and have two different sounds. That way you keep your core base fans and make them happy and you also don't alienate them by releasing something Progressive that they may not like but you will also cater to the people who want to hear new stuff all the time. I think a good example for this is Slipknot, Corey Taylor, Stone Sour, Puscifer, tool, A Perfect Circle. In my opinion those bands did it correct. They kept their core band the same but created other bands to follow other Musical avenues that they wanted to follow either individually or together.

  • @ThePunkRockMBA
    @ThePunkRockMBA Рік тому +49

    Totally agree. Deathcore is a lot more innovative and interesting right now than metalcore. Really wanting to see someone lead the charge for metalcore!

    • @airlzzy
      @airlzzy Рік тому +3

      Yes 100%

    • @saschamsc
      @saschamsc Рік тому

      👍👍👍👍

    • @CrabCoreKing
      @CrabCoreKing Рік тому +1

      TDWP, WCAR, FFAK, and Miss May I have stayed true to metalcore and are still underappreciated. To me Architects gets all the love and personally compared to the 4 others mentioned they are super boring

    • @litaf4889
      @litaf4889 Рік тому

      Did August Burns Red die? Is Devil Wears Prada not a band anymore 😂? Did As I Lay Dying fall apart again? Don’t think so. Deathcore is the furthest thing from “creative” 😂 talk about 90% of songs of a genre sounding the same and that’s deathcore

    • @KevinQ25
      @KevinQ25 Рік тому +3

      @@litaf4889 It’s getting more creative. While metalcore is exactly what you just said deathcore is.

  • @circlonianmapper
    @circlonianmapper Рік тому +21

    Not sure what genre Spiritbox classifies as anymore, but what they're doing recently especially with the Rotoscope EP is a prime example of what bands should be doing. Completely new industrial sound, yet it still sounded like Spiritbox and was of course a banger. They've been my favorite band for like a year and a half now, and I really hope the rest of the scene takes inspiration from them

    • @TheDerpp
      @TheDerpp Рік тому

      Dude same, I've been playing the shit out of Spiritbox for the past couple years. I was shocked to learn that she was the vocalist in iwrestledabearonce too!
      Their first full length is still the best but I respect what they're doing

    • @KevinQ25
      @KevinQ25 Рік тому

      @@TheDerpp Courtney and Mike were both in IWABO together at the end. I preferred the stuff with the original vocalist better, just musically it was nuts

  • @sVieira151
    @sVieira151 Рік тому

    One metalcore act I haven't seen mentioned yet is: Ithaca. They actually just released a new album They Fear us. I think they are a band well worth following.

  • @Vixfor_
    @Vixfor_ Рік тому

    So, we currently have: Oceans ate Alaska, Invent Animate, Loathe, Northlane, Thornhill, Spiritbox, Silent Planet, Erra, Currents, Novelists(i like their old stuff more), Veil of Maya, Ice Nine Kills, Alpha Wolf, Volumes, Sleep Token, Make Them Suffer, Fit for a King, Like Moths to Flames, August Burns Red, Hollow Front, Allt, Imminence(hope they could bring us some old stuff). Most of these bands have much unique stuff

  • @losingapathy
    @losingapathy Рік тому +48

    I think Loathe, Sleep Token, Invent Animate, and Erra are all the future of Metalcore. They're constantly pushing boundaries and changing the game. In my opinion, they are saving the genre and bringing in way more listeners because they're genre pushing and experimenting constantly.

    • @Vixfor_
      @Vixfor_ Рік тому +12

      Also Northlane, Thornhill, Spiritbox, Veil of Maya, Silent Planet, Oceans ate Alaska, Ice Nine Kills. Most of these bands have incredibly unique stuff

    • @losingapathy
      @losingapathy Рік тому +7

      @@Vixfor_ Northlane is definitely one of the biggest tone setters for the scene right now. Almost every band has hints of Northlane, especially Loathe and Invent Animate

    • @ryanbollinger1759
      @ryanbollinger1759 Рік тому +3

      I would add Ice Nine Kills in there as well

    • @thelittleowl1
      @thelittleowl1 Рік тому +5

      Imma insert bmth into here. They’ve been pushing boundaries since the start (Ik they aren’t metalcore anymore but still).

    • @Boozer13
      @Boozer13 Рік тому +2

      Bad Omens as well…

  • @Jt7166
    @Jt7166 Рік тому +14

    Being a lifelong Thrice fan has prepared me well to accept sound evolutions from my favorite bands. 😅

    • @KevinQ25
      @KevinQ25 Рік тому +1

      The difference is, they have evolved pretty much every album since The Artist in the Ambulance and did it well. So you know the next record will sound different. Lots of these bands established themselves with a certain sound and then changed and the change was done poorly.

  • @CaptFwiffo
    @CaptFwiffo Рік тому +1

    Anyone hear of the band "Across the White Water Tower"?? They were recently on the Attack! Attack! tour. They kick some serious arse!! 🤘🤘

  • @Hideousspawn13
    @Hideousspawn13 Рік тому +1

    Dude, solid points. My band Countervail is set to release our album in September and we’ve been calling ourselves metalcore but I hope that doesn’t lump us in with certain expectations. We definitely have a few tracks that might fit better into a different subgenre but I hope people keep an open mind as long as the music is good

    • @maxalaintwo3578
      @maxalaintwo3578 Рік тому

      I will watch your career with great interest

    • @Hideousspawn13
      @Hideousspawn13 Рік тому

      Hahaha damn the sarcasm is thick my friend

    • @maxalaintwo3578
      @maxalaintwo3578 Рік тому

      @@Hideousspawn13 who's being sarcastic? I'm referencing Palpatine

    • @Hideousspawn13
      @Hideousspawn13 Рік тому

      Hahaha ok ok I’m too dumb to get the reference but if you’re not being sarcastic then thank you and sorry for letting my insecurities show 😅

  • @sonnyford2407
    @sonnyford2407 Рік тому +4

    The problem with metalcore is we should have got something else a long time ago. I feel like every decade gets its own sub genre of metal (thrash in the 80's, nu metal in the 90's etc) but we've kinda had metalcore for almost 20 years at this point with no new sub genre to take its place. I feel like djent is kind of that new sound but it's sort of more like a sub sub genre of metalcore and deathcore. So when the scene is constantly asking itself "why is the scene getting so stale?" I think the harsh truth is that its just overstayed its welcome until we get some new wave of metal that re-invents the wheel.

    • @Magnetshroom
      @Magnetshroom Рік тому +1

      90s is more of Groove metal. Nu metal is in 2000s especially Korn made it famous in 1998.

    • @sonnyford2407
      @sonnyford2407 Рік тому +1

      @@Magnetshroom i knew someone was gonna "um accchhhtttually" that part of my comment haha but yeah youre right. Plus 80's also had hair metal kinda thriving parallel to thrash

  • @roguekiller112
    @roguekiller112 Рік тому +3

    LMTF is always a band I think of that has tried a few different things but as a whole have stayed true to their sound. I can throw on any song by them from any album and its a jam.

    • @ryanls2330
      @ryanls2330 Рік тому

      Agreed! They keep pushing themselves and still have that signature heaviness that they’re known for.

  • @danielsletten9764
    @danielsletten9764 Рік тому

    I love Bleed from within and just checked your suggestion for Bury Tomorrow, sounds fantastic!
    Thank you for helping me find new music. Any other suggestions for bands that sounds like Bleed from within?

  • @Owenator26
    @Owenator26 Рік тому +2

    I agree with you about the modern deathcore sound being more exciting and fresh to listen too compared to the metalcore. I was never really into deathcore until I heard Orphan by Whitechapel I still to this day have that song on repeat and this is an example of them experimenting and trying out new things aside from the heavy growls and roars and cause of bands doing this it has got me more into the deathcore genre

  • @ArizonaWx5110
    @ArizonaWx5110 Рік тому +4

    There is a difference between experimenting within other heavy metal genres and changing to an alternative butt rock band. It seems like most metalcore bands always experiment going soft. I can listen to the heavy (metalcore, deathcore, etc.) all day, but I also don't mind some pop, EDM, rap. However, butt rock is something I just can't get into and unfortunately this is where every metalcore band seems to want to expand to.

  • @mephistoan8059
    @mephistoan8059 Рік тому +2

    Just get love to band, it’s a really hard scene, if you like a long tell them, if you don’t just don’t talk and pass, let metal core scene grow, diversify, let people discover by more main stream song and little by little like more heavy song. Love on all band, love on nick, love on metalcore, take care y’all

  • @beezelbs_trix
    @beezelbs_trix Рік тому

    Erra and alpha wolf hit a cheeky spot,
    I wanna mention static dress for doing the myspace erra stuff and sounding fresh at the same time

  • @NelsonBlakeII
    @NelsonBlakeII Рік тому +12

    Here's my perspective as someone who started in the pre-metalcore era, and carried over to it. My band (Locked in a Vacancy)wasn't big, but we played with major acts regularly. In its inception, metalcore wasn't the 0-5-7-8 breakdown formula that it's become. It was taking the aggression of deeply underground hardcore and exchanging the punk roots for some of the melody and refinement of metal. We were greatly influenced by the Swedish bands(old In Flames, Arch Enemy, Meshuggah) but fusing that with the breakdowns, sing-a-longs, and structurelessness of the underground US scene. Overall, the spirit of metalcore still lives on in modern metal, from deathcore to djent, but "mainstream" metalcore was never supposed to calcify the way it did. When we came up, it could be us, Dillinger, God Forbid, ZAO, Candiria and Unearth all on the same show.

  • @gtay6726
    @gtay6726 Рік тому +14

    ABR has stayed heavy and true to their sound, and that's why they're the Goats of the genre, imo. Also why they probably had a T-shirt a few years ago that said "Still Heavy".

  • @jasonharvey8896
    @jasonharvey8896 Рік тому +1

    My band is basically a blend of alot of metals. We have straight up metalcore songs, we have some death metal inspired, some melodic, some groove metal. We start with a riff and let the song grow from there. I love metal core, 2000- preset day. But I started with Pantera there will always be influences

    • @noname-ng6sj
      @noname-ng6sj Рік тому

      That's why your band won't ever be signed or actually do anything. It's difficult to be in a band because you have to accept that you are whatever your most popular thing is and do just that.

  • @vichaon
    @vichaon Рік тому +1

    I found your breakdown (no pun intended) of the actual scene very interesting and well described. I agree with the fact that metalcore has the space to transform without loosing it's essence and also deplore the relative separation from the core values (again no pun intended) from certain former (?) leaders of the genre...
    And then there the reality that perhaps it's best not to give a fuck about titles and genres and defining genres and boxing bands in them... Even the "modern metal" is an odd one because you can only be modern for so long; the principle of modernity is ephemeral anyway.
    Like you, Nik, I try to enjoy without judging and ponder on how interesting it is to see bands elevate themselves and their art to territories not yet explore.
    Thanks for you time y'all and have a great day.

  • @gamefan6142
    @gamefan6142 Рік тому +66

    I don't care what subgenre of metal the bands play, as long as it's good and throws in a BLEGH somewhere.
    But seriously: We need bands to inovate and experiment with their music. I mean, that's basically how all new genres are made: Experimentation. I'd love to see some deathcore band throw in an accordion or bagpipes or some such shit.

    • @me-ou3hs
      @me-ou3hs Рік тому +4

      Scottish deathcore would be cool

    • @aethereal9032
      @aethereal9032 Рік тому

      deathcore band with an tagelharpa when

    • @ludens1472
      @ludens1472 Рік тому +3

      Give the song BSDK.exe by Bloodywood a try. The band basically an Indian Linkin Park with traditional culture and we have Corey Taylor doing the screams

    • @unknowndeoxys00
      @unknowndeoxys00 Рік тому

      Eluveitie, though not new, metalcore or deathcore by any means. First time I ever heard a pipe instrument in 2000s metal

    • @alexyoung8185
      @alexyoung8185 Рік тому

      Igorrr has some stuff kinda like this. Very good and would recommend if you've never listened

  • @eljacoboese.in4k
    @eljacoboese.in4k Рік тому +4

    Thornhill is the perfect example of a good experiment of DJENT pop and metal core

  • @hubertkryger7243
    @hubertkryger7243 Рік тому +1

    Try some fear and loathing in Las Vegas from Japan.

  • @johnstrange6799
    @johnstrange6799 Рік тому

    I just worked on what I'm calling an Original Reimaged Version of Sailing Before The Wind's "One Step Over" , I'm curious if anyone thinks it brings the fire.

  • @fox_ch
    @fox_ch Рік тому +17

    Really cool that you mentioned Invent Animate.. They are literally changing the game and it's by far the best and most exciting Modern Metal band in my books! They deserve to be alooooot bigger and do Headliner Tours

    • @Butterfly-lr6ed
      @Butterfly-lr6ed Рік тому +1

      Invent Animate and old ERRA are peak prog metalcore. Not enough people in the modern scene have heard Augment and Impulse.

  • @archetekt2481
    @archetekt2481 Рік тому +5

    Then It Ends

  • @malliakoschristos
    @malliakoschristos Рік тому

    great vid man!

  • @SilviaAfurisita
    @SilviaAfurisita Рік тому

    Nice video Nik, but can you please sort out the little cable tie holding your mic stand? It's poking out and was very distracting! *Professional streamer*

  • @machomaniac4512
    @machomaniac4512 Рік тому +6

    Currents, erra, and polaris are picking up where architects left off. Their stuff is next level.

  • @johanericsson7309
    @johanericsson7309 Рік тому +14

    2:12 is my favorite part of the video lol. I've had a hard time getting into modern metalcore because I miss the melodeath riffs from the 2000s (which is why I liked the genre in the fist place, moreso than breakdowns). Happy that at least August Burns Red keep putting out quality stuff while changing slight details in their sound. With that said, Invent Animate is by far my favorite newer band because of the ambience in their songs, more metalcore bands should aim for that imo. That Wage War style metalcore doesn't appeal to me at all, a lot of it just sounds like heavier butt rock with a breakdown shoehorned in.

    • @thelittleowl1
      @thelittleowl1 Рік тому +1

      Try miss may I. They kinda do that style

  • @JacobAndrues
    @JacobAndrues Рік тому

    I would like to see your opinion on the new DGD album though.

  • @penguindrum264
    @penguindrum264 Рік тому +1

    Japan has a really banging modern metalcore scene, you should check out some of the bands (coldrain, Dimlim, Crystal Lake, Survive Said the Prophet).

  • @leku200
    @leku200 Рік тому +3

    Check out the band Inferi. Beautiful, insane melodic lines that are woven into absolute chaos. All instruments are otherworldly. Vocals are brutal.

    • @GuyLovesAnOnion
      @GuyLovesAnOnion Рік тому +1

      They’re tech death but and very awesome

    • @leku200
      @leku200 Рік тому

      @@GuyLovesAnOnion True. They were def outside my comfort zone when I first started listening coming mainly from metalcore. Going down the rabbit hole and discovering bands like Spawn of Possession and Archspire is wild.

    • @GuyLovesAnOnion
      @GuyLovesAnOnion Рік тому +1

      @@leku200 ARCHSPIRE are one of my favourites, been heavy into Shadow of Intent and Rings of Saturn if you haven’t checked them out

  • @blockmann6831
    @blockmann6831 Рік тому +15

    Thats why I love Bring me the horizon.
    Oli make music that he and his band like.
    And not what Label wants.
    He is not going with the mainstream anymore, he does what he want.
    That is for me the best musician off the world.

  • @user-jd2kv1mr7m
    @user-jd2kv1mr7m Рік тому +1

    Music is music bro, timeless and endless, with only more to come.

  • @fkuchta145
    @fkuchta145 Рік тому

    Please check out Glass Hands by Crooked Royals!! Backed by Periphery!

  • @johanericsson7309
    @johanericsson7309 Рік тому +45

    You're definitely right abt metalcore exiling PWD and Architects. I have nothing against that arena metal style, but a band like Rammstein does it so much better imo. I'm even considering not going to see Parkway Drive this fall because I'm afraid their new songs will replace the classics like Karma and Idols and Anchors in the setlist. Winston is a monstrous metalcore vocalist (my all time favorite), but when he tries to sound tough with his cleans it usually falls flat imo. If they insist on heading that route I'd prefer more "calm" songs like A Deathless Song.

    • @oRP137
      @oRP137 Рік тому +5

      PWD is an interesting case to me. I loved their 2018 album but the new stuff falls flat, and it's amazing they took that long to release something like this. I remember with their last album they were rejecting the metalcore label, claiming they had "outgrown metalcore". Now that they're coming back to the subgenre, it just feels half-assed

    • @thelittleowl1
      @thelittleowl1 Рік тому +4

      @Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] architects made that style of metalcore imo. it sounds generic because they invented it.

    • @TundraCH
      @TundraCH Рік тому

      Every metalcore band just goes the buttrock route, metalcore fans have a reason to be upset about that.

    • @TobikunOuO
      @TobikunOuO Рік тому

      @Madden 07 Soundtrack Fan Account [Kendrick AOTY] crystal lake are their own genre just like dir en grey.

    • @johanericsson7309
      @johanericsson7309 Рік тому +1

      @@oRP137 To me it feels half assed because they've still got too much of the arena metal stuff, instead of the great fast riffing of KWAS and Horizons. They should commit to either one of the two imo

  • @DLTyrus
    @DLTyrus Рік тому +19

    Genre blending is probably what creates my favourite music of all time, but I think it's just very hard to do and a lot of bands that try it fail because you really have to be a deep fan of multiple genres to really understand them and blend them well.

    • @hotzemusic
      @hotzemusic Рік тому

      Shout out to northlane our here doing the lords work.

  • @clefever75
    @clefever75 Рік тому

    Dude, ERRA and Invent Animate in Denver tonight at The Marquis!!!

  • @rebeloftheundead1658
    @rebeloftheundead1658 Рік тому

    There’s a band called Limbs idk if they fully classify into metalcore but they’ve got some nice style that just hits different and they recently released an Ep hope you might check them out at some point

  • @adiv2181
    @adiv2181 Рік тому +10

    ABR and Invent Animate are both my favorite Metalcore bands!!! And the best part about them is they are trying new things but they still have the same signature sound that I love!! Also about Bring me the Horizon, I like how they are evolving and just doing whatever they want and I think that’s awesome.

  • @isolatedmic
    @isolatedmic Рік тому +24

    I was hoping to hear you list Landmvrks as one of the newer bands innovating and leading the charge, although I'm not sure you can really call them just metalcore. They're such a fantastic blend of metal core, death core, hard-core and even pop punk. I've only recently discovered them a few months ago, but they have easily become my favorite new band of the passed 10 years.

    • @JustWezz
      @JustWezz Рік тому +3

      This. One of the most dynamic bands currently out.

    • @js18
      @js18 Рік тому +2

      Lost In A Wave came on shuffle and eventually was my number one song for 2021, backed as a band that’s exciting as all hell

    • @isolatedmic
      @isolatedmic Рік тому

      Lost in a Wave was my introduction to them as well, but literally every song on all three albums is good. I'm in California, and got tickets to a Miss May I show, just because Landmvrks is opening for them, and I'm so fucking hyped for it.

    • @Tybren
      @Tybren Рік тому

      I tried to give this Lost in a Wave song a go, and the shearing vocals came in and ruined everything..

    • @jhos9494
      @jhos9494 Рік тому

      Landmarks are lame honestly. Nothing much there

  • @gwarriorfromhell
    @gwarriorfromhell Рік тому

    Nik, you should check out the new video from As The Structure Fails. Their new video for "All the Weight" is mind blowingly awesome.

  • @Kidcrowley
    @Kidcrowley Рік тому

    just my late opinion but counterparts is the band that found their sound early on, stuck to it but has always added something to their repertoire with each release

  • @wvibribrir
    @wvibribrir Рік тому +8

    enterprise earth mixes metalcore and deathcore really good

    • @jargonscott
      @jargonscott Рік тому

      They really do. The check every fucking box of what I love about both genres.

    • @Butterfly-lr6ed
      @Butterfly-lr6ed Рік тому

      Same for fit for an autopsy.

  • @brucethao752
    @brucethao752 Рік тому +3

    I really miss some of the few easycore/pop punky stuff where everyone wasn't so serious all the time and was able to take the piss once in a while to make something light hearted (the album common courtesy, electric callboy, even attack attack! being some of my examples)
    Either I'm not looking hard enough, or that's just how the scene is for now

  • @radi4346
    @radi4346 Рік тому

    I just searched after Invent Animate and they are AMAZING!

  • @Magdalena8008s
    @Magdalena8008s Рік тому +1

    Banks Arcade. We need more of them. They have a bright future ahead of them.

  • @BoNomadic
    @BoNomadic Рік тому +18

    Phinehas is a sick band for doing what they do. “Storm in me”, “The Fire Itself”, and “Fleshkiller” is a perfect example of the topic this video covers. Love them.

    • @djentrification1631
      @djentrification1631 Рік тому +2

      I’ve been on a huuuuge Phinehas kick as of the last month or so. They are such a phenomenal band.

  • @EthanParker_
    @EthanParker_ Рік тому +23

    it made me so happy that you mentioned Invent, Animate because they're probably one of the most underrated bands out there right now. they're truly something special

    • @HollowSentence22
      @HollowSentence22 Рік тому +2

      They seriously are sooo talented. They deserve so much more attention

    • @sgefrascz8123
      @sgefrascz8123 Рік тому +6

      Don't know them, thank's to Nik I'm gonna check them out now.

    • @gregoryhouse1214
      @gregoryhouse1214 Рік тому +1

      I just saw them live and I agree they are a great band and can't wait to hear more music from them.

  • @dxrock87
    @dxrock87 Рік тому

    May I suggest "Signals from Saturn - Revenant"

  • @nicholasblessing1907
    @nicholasblessing1907 Рік тому +2

    Bro I’ll proudly be put in the metalcore box. I freaking love that genre it has so much potential to be creative with the metal side and pop side of it.