Why Moffat's Return is Great for Doctor Who
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- So recently we just had the absolutely huge news that former Doctor Who showrunner Steven Moffat is returning to write for Series 14. Some people love this decision and some people hate it, so I thought I'd dive into it and see what all the fuss is about...
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Harbo, wake up to reality, this is bad! Doctor Who's been ruined for 7 years by ALL the showrunners of the modern day, we must purge this show of its non-canon episodes and characters
You deserve so many more .
Doctor who isn't stuck in the past.... apart from having Tennant, Catherine Tate, RTD, Bonnie Lanford and the Moff back....
And, fans aren't hypocrites.... apart from how they hated on the Moff and yet now, are gushing over him coming back?
And I'm sure there's plenty of fans who bitched about Jodie (justified or not) who will gush over her if she returns.
My point is: we're all both right and wrong as fans.
But, let's face it: this is better than another sodding SEVENTEEN YEARS OF NO DOCTOR WHO.
@@davidaston5773 Jodie shouldn't ever return, plus I'd rather no Doctor Who than Jodie, Tennant 2 or Gatwa
Well, then@@mattthesilent777REDstop watching ANY Doctor Who.
Any era. Any Doctor. ANY AT ALL.
You'll get your wish.
All praise the moff
Edit: can’t wait for Moffat to be show runner again in 4 seasons time
god please no
I really hope so
YESSS! 🤞🤞
God yes
Yes!!
I always loved the Moff, never had a problem him. so yay
Same here. In fact, I preferred his era to RTD's... not that I didn't like the latter.
While I acknowledge his shortcomings, Moffat is still my favourite of the showrunners (Davies an imperceptibly close second), so for me, his return is honestly probably the best bit of news I've heard about Series 14! Thoroughly thrilled to bits! 😊❤
I’m so excited for his return. Moffat is my favourite doctor who writer. He’s written all my favourite stories, especially for Capaldi’s doctor.💕
As long as nobody lets chibnall write again, I am fine with anything and anyone returning. Also because I love the idea of most of Moffats stories, just not some of their execution.
I just think it's funny that fans act like RTD hates Moffat, I remember in the late 2010s where every word RTD said about Doctor Who was twisted into a coded insult towards Moffat. In reality they are good friends and The Husbands of River Song was literally a Christmas gift from Moffat to Russell.
I wanna see Charlie Brooker write a story, I think that would be amazing
Who's Charlie Brooker?
@@FahadAyaz He writes Black Mirror
Omg yes. I’d like to see Neil Gaiman back too, despite nightmare in silver.
Harbo: Why RTD's Return is Bad for Doctor Who
Also Harbo: Why Moffat's Return is Great for Doctor Who
Yeah I love Harbo but I feel like he's really splitting hairs here a little on why one is bad and one is good lol
Based
Moffat writing episodes with RTD reigning his worst excesses in? Sign me up,
@@tasha7726
My thoughts exactly, Moffat needs someone to rein him in from time to time.
Moffat's era is my (and my families) favourite era of the show, 11 is my wife's favourite and 12 is mine and my daughter's favourite and, as said in the video, he wrote some absolute bangers before his era too!
RTD + Moffat working together gives us great episodes.
I was a teen when Moffat was show runner and i always loved him. And when i was a kid he scared the shit out of me, vashdanarada and original angels were terrifying
i definitely wish there were more new names writing stories but i'm so excited moffat is back! He really improved with every season during his run (series 9 and 10 were my favorites) and i hope he's honed that all into a great story! right now the list of writers looks like its mostly rtd, so moffat writing one single story isnt a problem lol
For me, I just hope that Russell takes the chance to cultivate a set of new writers that can take over. They won’t live forever!
Im happy to see moff as he's my favourite writer of the show, but I am concerned seeing how much of this series is just russel. Honestly I'm hoping for a way more diverse writing room next series but if the old writers wanna come back for an occasional story idm, id love to swe gaiman given another chance considering budget issues were always an issue in his stories production
He wrote a lot of series 1 episodes before writing less in series 2 in his first era so he may do a similar thing 😊
Can I say both?
On the one hand, having the Grand Moff back is the best news I've heard out of DW since "Twice Upon a Time" ended. But it honestly worries me that they're feeding the nostalgia bait and trying to have it be Series 1 to 4 again.
This has been my biggest worry ever since the three specials. Modern who has this great formula built up of allowing itself to be perceptive and change and new ideas. Every actor had a tenure of 3 series (except 9 unfortunately) and showrunner two doctors. And RTD to Moffat set this up greatly. Both were so different and appealed to and angered different fans. It kept doctor feeling fresh and like a show that could do anything. In comparison I've HATED all these insistent reboots and remakes and whatnot coming from the same batch of writers (or what feels like them) because production companies are too afraid to make any risks.
I was (well still am) feeling weird that Doctor Who basically just fell into the same trap because Chibnall took that risk taking and freedom DW had too far. It's the fact that David Tennant LED the 60th anniversary. Not Jodie or Ncuti. And that will never fully sit right with me.
I've just accepted the situation and am hopeful that while, Moffat and RTD are both nostalgia baits, their writing won't be. I hope that while it might feel familiar (and it has felt so familiar and that was one of my biggest problems with the special), they'll take risks with new ideas and be the creative DW deserves. And granted while Chibnall was a new writer, none of what he did actually felt creative or risk taking. In fact he even backtracked his own timeless child mess the same episode it was revealed (saying it doesn't matter and lampshading it). Somehow RTD has made more mention of the trauma that reveal would cause than Chibnall (granted I stopped watching after the series 12 finale so maybe I'm wrong). That's what I'm hopeful for.
All of mainstream criticism of Moffat as a showrunner comes down to Series 6 and 7. People seem to forget that seires 8, 9 and 10 have much lower scope series archs that move away from the convoluted plots of Moffat1 and also from the finale powerscaling of Russell1
I am so hype for another moffat episode. Can't wait to see what he does with 15 and Ruby
Moffat was bad as a showrunner, but his stand alone stories, both while working under RTD, and occasionally when he was show runner, were phenomenal. Especially under RTD, his standalone episodes were always the highlight episodes of each respective season
You thumbnail is glorious
But honestly Moffat is amazing, his return is awesome
Both RTD and Moffat have written some of my least favorite scenes, episodes, and choices in Doctor Who, but also have both written some of my favorite (and Moffat my very favorite). I'll always give my personal vote to Moffat because 12 is MY Doctor and his tenure peak who for me (series 5 is also up there). Part of me is always going to wish Chibnall hadn't made it so we NEED them back and the BBC kept letting new writers lead new eras of who, but both RTD and Moffat are great writers and they are also both really humble with their positions and understand the concept of critical feedback and that not everyone is going to love every writing choice they make. At least in the interviews. They've even talked about their own writing after the fact in the way many fans do; acknowledging their short comings. Plus they just have great podcast energy together (which we need a full podcast series of them if the BBC is reading this). Doctor Who won't be perfect under either or them (it isn't under anyone), but I'm a lot more confident in both.
Just to point out an interesting phenomena. Over here in the Chinese DW fandom, perceptions about RTD and Moff are the exact opposite, with the Moff getting almost universally loved, while RTD was often criticized for unstable quality output and deus ex mechina. So public perception is a funny thing. These opposite views cannot be both right, but they can be both illusionary. Just put them to rest and enjoy the ride.
No accounting for taste, I suppose. Capaldi is my favourite new-era Doctor, Gomez my favourite new-era Master.
Come on son, when are we getting the Children of Earth review?
Yoo the Goat is back
I love RTD as much as the next guy but 11 was always my favourite Doctor so having the Moff back is a huge plus, excited to see what's up next
Heavens Sent and World Enough and Times/The Doctor Falls absolutely deserve the top spots
Very excited about Moffat writing again cuz yeah often his stories in the first RTD were always some of the strongest of those series
I like his individual episodes during Russel T Davis show running.
Moffatt gave us:
River
Missy
Blink
Heaven Sent
The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances
Silence In the Library/ Forest of the Dead
World Enough in Time/ The Doctor Falls
Day of the Doctor
I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's made mistakes but his best is still top tier Who.
I know it's far early to even worry about it, but I'm concerned that Moffat will end being a showrunner after RTD again. Especially if RTD's second era is panned and disliked (which is already cause for concern depending on who you ask).
The only problems I had with Moffat as showrunner were the obsession with River Song and to a lesser extent the Weeping Angels, the love triangle with Rory and Amy (though I do like how that resolved with the Last Centurion), the sex jokes, and the idea that the show should be a "fairytale". He did eventually get us the best TARDIS design of New Who, dark colors aside. Put Moffat's 2nd TARDIS design with Davies' new TARDIS colors and working lighting and you've got a great TARDIS interior.
5:11 That's true for all showrunners though and that will always be so. Nobody is perfect.
Perhaps RTD was being courteous and inclusive to offer the previous show runners and writers the chance to contribute to the new series.
A few episodes from past writers probably won't hurt but it is high time to bring in newer writers on board and have some different inputs. There's been good episodes from non-regular writers (family of blood, girl who waited). Some new input might also counterbalance some of the impact the show runner's style has on the stories, which was perhaps an issue in the SM and CC periods.
Have to say 2 of the 3 specials also left a few doubts about the structuring of story telling from RTD himself; that didn't go as smooth as expected hopefully sharpens up in the coming season.
I think Moffat worked better under Russel and his episodes were quite good and when he took over as showrunner he was still good just more hit and miss. People who are moaning about him coming back its not exactly unheard of especially looking at Classic Who where a lot of old writers came back and nobody moans about that in retrospect
The RTD era is more hit and miss.
He knew how to tie a story and make an hour feel like 3 hour film .. His episodes were the best.
So long as he's not writing Dalek stories. We really need major new writers. Just anyone who hasn't been showrunner since 2005, really.
Even if Moffat was the best of the three as a writer.
Why have I got the feeling that after Davies goes Steven will become show runner again
Huh it feels like there’s a echo in here
>Heaven Sent
>Underrated Hidden Gem
I simply cannot process the irony there.
Moffat is the greatest writer in NuWho. While I think his showrunning was overhated, but it definitely wasn't as good as RTD. I'm excited to see what he does.
Imagine being mad that the best New Who writer and one of the best Doctor Who writers overall is coming back for an episode.
I've had enough subpar Doctor Who since he left, best news regarding this new era of Doctor Who by far.
For the haters, I'd be more worried about RTD writing 6/8 episodes having already written 4 prior episodes, than Moffat writing one episode.
I wish he will come back in subsequent seasons too, I want more diversity in top 10 episode lists, Heaven Sent, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, Blink and World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls are still dominating them (guess who wrote those).
I always said Moffat’s era of Doctor Who is like the Star Wars prequels.
Being the period with the most expansive storytelling derided at release but when something WORSE comes along (e.g. the Star Wars sequels) we appreciate the deeper story implications of the stories he wrote…
As a writer for single episodes he is good, as a show runner taking care of season long arcs, not so much
A writer I would love to see do at least one episode of _Doctor Who_ is Connie Willis, author of the Oxford Time Travel series. Not likely, but wouldn't that be interesting?
Moffat excels when there's limits to what he can and can't do, leave him on his own and he'll put mystery boxes that will either pay off in a big way or be forgotten and explained away with some throwaway line.
Being a writer for one episode would be the best for this soft reboot because it's almost guaranteed to be a banger
"The two episode premiere and then Boom! a Moffat episode" this is so funny because episode 3 is heavily rumoured to be titled "Boom"
i don't mind is moffat has 1 or even 2 episodes a season, i am a fan oh his stories, as a showrunner hes a bit iffy with bad world building and bad finales and overarching series narratives, but single stories are great
I'll gladly take a few more 10/10 Moff scripts. Then a new team can do whatever they will
As long as he keeps both hands writing instead of one up and one down.
Dedpite my initial annoyance of the "writer-rehash", this video has given some insight and assurance on the new writers joining the show.
I'm really looking forward to the new era, (despite it airing really late in the UK.)
PRAISE BE PRAISE BE
moffat is a lifestyle
I'm really excited that the loki writers are writing dr who episodes, I've always thought they would make great dr who writers, that said I'm still confused on why they haven't gotten any of the writers from the comics, or audio dramas to write some dr who episodes. johnathan morris, scott gray, and cavan scott are some of the best dr who writers full stop
I'm so excited for Season 1!!!!!!! or Series 14 or Series 1 or Season 40 or whatever you wanna say. and people are mad about his return? I'm not. I mean his era had my favourite doctor in it so I may be a bit bias.
We really don't know how close to being canned Dr Who had gotten, So I think a season or two of Dr Who where the reigns are held a little tight isn't that bad an idea.
moffat is really good at 2 things
characterisation of the doctor
and single stories
everything else is kind of meh, but those are the 2 things he needs when hes a writer, not a showrunner, he doesn't need worlbuilding, he doesn't need to come up with the overarching story of the season, he doesn't need to come up with new characters, just use characters who already exist (which is excells at enhancing already existing characters) and write a good one off story for the season
Comparatively, Moffat wrote the best episodes of Davies’s era. Though series 5 was the peak of Moffat’s era, I still enjoyed series 6. With his return, I’m hoping we get at least a few good episodes. So far Davies’s new episodes have been lack luster with the wild blue yonder being the highlight of the new specials. At this point, I’m just here for the ride
Series 10 was on par if not better than series 5
@@georgebuzinski4306 haven’t seen series 10 yet, except for like the finale. I just hate Clara especially because of the series 9 finale. I watched the new specials, and that whole thing was startin to do my head in by the time I watch the Christmas special
On the one hand, I get that this feels like its very nostalgia pandering.......but on the other hand, what was the Chibnall era if not that for older generations (seriously, the old cyberman costumes......just look at them). Personally, I feel nostalgia pandering back to the early 2000s is a really smart thing to do, considering that nets you your 20-40 year old demographic who, at least in American circles, have been fairly starved for content harkening back to the late 1990s early 2000s era sci-fi. Also are you seriously complaining about MURRY GOLD????? That man is a musical genius.
I feel like people will hate on whoever is the current showrunner. Moffat and Chibnall were both the devil incarnate in their times and now everyone's criticising RTD's writing
Yep that seems to be the trend. This is true outside of Doctor Who as well. Look at the Star Wars prequels, George Lucas received endless hate for them for two decades straight. Then the Sequel Trilogy happened and suddenly Kathleen Kennedy is the new target and the angry mob won’t stop talking about how wonderful the prequel era was and how much they miss George.
As fan of the Chibnall era, I look forward to the day when perceptions of his ear have softened and the fandom looks back on it with nostalgia. Side note, it will also be interesting to see the cycle continue when the Star Wars Sequel generation grow up.
Yess I was gonna write this I rememeber the days when Moffat was called the worst man to ever write Doctor who and that’s it’s dead, then comes Chibnall he is the evil one and now Moffat is amazing now rtd is back he is terrible according to people aha
@@LilithsLove89 Chibnall is not going to recover, He unlike Moffat broke one of the fundamentals of Doctor Who's background lore. He tried to shove his timeless child fanfiction into Dr Who breaking the Doctor's own canon and regenerations. People won't forgive him for that, turning the 1st Doctor not into the first anymore.
Kennedy did ruin the Sequels.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD The Timeless child is fantastic concept! Which is why RTD has already referenced and built upon it multiple times across the 60th anniversary specials and the Church of Ruby Road. Jodie was an incredible Doctor and her run on the show was so fresh and fun! Flux was a blast from start to finish and her regeneration story was one of the best in the entire series!
Kennedy didn’t destroy the sequels. She did exactly what a producer does. What she has done her entire career! Look at her credits she’s behind dozens upon dozens of some of the biggest films ever made!
@@LilithsLove89 Timeless child was a toilet seat full of Chibnall's horrific fanfiction. Most of the Doctor Who fanbase thought it was in poor taste and ruined the Doctor.
just hoping big gatiss isnt coming back icl his stories draaag (expect sleep no more that one goes hard)
Saying "Boom" in a moffat video about series 14
The show is beyond saving. I'm sorry.
I think Hbomberguy put it best when he said the Moff is best when he's not the showrunner
Love his videos, but Hbomberguy is shit at media criticism. His videos about the Morrat era hilariously misinterpret everything through the worst possible lens ("Rusty = RTD and Moffat hates his era" for instance).
No really. Moffat make the show Doctor Who again after 4 years of soap opera.
@@mayotango1317 By having never-ending love triangle's that never go anywhere with overly forced comedic moments and when you retcon the lore that gave the original reboot by Davies's depth? Yeah no I'm good, he's great as a self-contained episodic writer, but he completely folds into himself when showrunning trying to come up with story arcs. This isn't unique to simply Doctor Who - this applies equally to his own shows especially Jekkyl starring James Nesbitt, Sherlock and the dreaded Netflix Dracula series...
@@zocialix What the hell are you talking about? The Doctor and the Ponds were a family. And even the comedy was more cringey in the RTD era, at least Moffat used cynicism.
And please, every writer has rewritten the lore of the series cough Lawrence Miles, Robert Holmes cough.
Frankly with Moffat he gave us back the basics of the series: An eccentric alien who travels with friends through all time and space, it ran for 26 years. He is no longer a jealous boyfriend who overvalues his Rose or crying for her.
@@mayotango1317 Oh yeah, such a family that Amy had the daughter of The Tardis cause reason that somehow becomes emotionally infactuated with The Doctor becoming his wife sorta only not really assassin - no really what on Earth even happened with River Song's character for Moffat to mess it up in the most ridiculous fashion imaginable? Also comedy was more cringey in RTD era - why it's never the focus, you can have someone as flamboyant as The Toymaker or The Master have a dance to some pop number whilst still being treated by a threat by Doctor and co. Russell get's that. WIth Moffat on other hand we've moments where Missy is cartoon sound popping out of television monitors like it's Art Attack for crying out loud!
As for the time-war just cause you can re-write something doesn't mean you necessarily should and bringing back Galifrey did nothing to enhance the story and did more to reduce The Doctor to another overly self-important figure. The whole point of Time-Lord Victorious was to show how corruptible Time-Lord's could become within their own boundaries.
You'd that with Russell as well - yeah there were moments of which you can consider to be: 'soap opera', but all of his characters were developed and not just simply tropes. Each of them had their own arc and journey - you cannot say the same for Moffat's characters with exception to Rory and Bill.
Moffat gave us a increasingly frustratinging hodge-podge mess of conflicting arcs, poorly developed characters and increasingly nonsenical resolutions with no consistent rules whatsoever. We'd a second big bang that'd less impact on the universe than Chris Chibnall's flux...
That's why for me Toby Whithouse, Sarah Dollard and Jamie Mathieson are all stand out writers during the Moffat era for me personally. If anyone is to become showrunner after Russell T. Davies second tenure then it should be one of them. I'd go with Mathieson.
I've got no problems with Moffat coming back to write self-contrained stories - history has shown that's his strength even during his own tenure, I just don't want him becoming show runner again.
Why Moffat's Return is Great for Doctor Who: He is not Chris Chibnall.
Don't get me wrong, Moffat has a few issues as a creator, but... Respect, it can hardly be worse.
Bringing back Moffat won't fix the fundamental issues with Doctor Who though, the show will still be dragged down by the sake problems it still has. Disney and the BBC have long dragged this show down, I don't there is any return to grace now for this show. I'm sorry but we had this before when RTD was coming, all over hyped.
Love you Harbo
If Twitter having a melt down at Moffat returning isn't fun enough, wait until RTD pulls a fast one and brings in Chibnall. Be an outright explosion.
Anyway one of the things I recall RTD doing during his first run was having lighter stories at the start of the series then having more character heavy, higher stakes stories in later episodes. For example, compare The Shakespere code to The Family of Blood. Both are very different but Family of Blood feels so much heavier for it's character drama and stakes. So Moffat is likely writing a lighter story that isn't meant to be a big end of the universe or world type story, but more character focused and smaller.
Of course this being only eight episodes series I'm most likely going to be wrong because RTD may have the stories to hit harder from the get go.
I think you missed Moffat's biggest W as a Doctor Who writer: his work in the 50th anniversary. For all my problems (which are many) with his writing he absolutely delivered when it mattered most, when DW was truly global for the last time and when he had to give justice to 50 years of lore. Hats off to him, for me I'll always remember the awesome feelings he captured in that anniversary. So in my mind he's got the skills and the iron within to deliver good Doctor Who when it's important, what RTD failed spectacularly to do in the 60th, the Moff passed with flying colors.
The Day of the Doctor is terrible and overated - you've random comedic hijinks with a Zygone - then at the last minute reverse the Time-War as if it were a separate episode. 15 minutes of that is dedicated to 10 being out of character as Time-Lord Victorious and marrying Queen Elizabeth the 1st (Which is only supposed to be a throwaway joke during start of The End of Time Part 1) Bringing Galifrey back was the biggest mistake of Moffat's tenure as it enhanced nothing for what was gotten rid of. All that depth and mystery of time-war only for it to be turned into a disappointing light show. What you consider to be his biggest W - I consider lead to the downfall of the superior lore the reboot originally began with which provided it depth compared to the original series from the 60's onwards. Thanks to Moffat bringing back Galifrey we ended up with Chris Chibnall giving us The Timeless Child with Russell T. Davies coming back to roll with what he's been given. Creating a scenario where what was once supernatual and reality bleading into each-other where The Doctor is back to square one - doesn't know where he's from (thanks again Chibnall...) and is investigating a whole new universe under the changed conditions of its rules.
@@zocialix you are assigning responsability of Chibnall's and RTD's fuck ups to Moffat when it was equally possible for them to have come up with good stories. It's not the man's fault his succesors couldn't build on what he did before in meaninful ways. Also he delivered the best modern Master with Missy which absolutely smokes any other version since Delgado.
@@NTNG13 My point is with regards to Galifrey, The Doctor's homeworld - don't fix what's not broken and that's precisely what both Moffat and Chibnall did. Even Moffat's Galifrey episodes were lame and lead to nothing that furthered understanding of timelords (One of them was dedicated to having a second go at Clara's passing) - hell worse Day of the Doctor presents The Timelords as if they were victims when even though in End of Time Part 2 it's explained that they'd become just as power hungry as The Daleks wanting to destroy physical reality itself to: 'ascend' from their bodies. Also, Missy was okay, but the problem with Moffat is he can't seen to get out of comedy mode - seriously having Missy cartoon sound pop big head out of monitors is just silly immediately removing all tension. WIth that said she was great during Season 10 - I liked the idea of her gradually becoming good. Moffat was starting to get better at writing developed characters near end of his tensure - just a pitty we couldn't have that from the get go. Also less said about the nonsense that's River Song the better... Completely ruined that character.
@@NTNG13 What are you talking about dribbling fool - Russell T. Davies gave us arguably the best character development for The Doctor with the time-war making him a closed off hardened person until those around him got him to open up. Moffat took that - retconned it and then for whatever reason decided to make The Doctor the all upmost important figure in the entire universe who has occasional phonecalls with Winston Churchill...
I never actually understood why show runners couldn’t write other one of episodes after they leave. Like I would’ve loved a Steven moffet story during chibnall era
No this isn't good
I liked him as showrunner on Sherlock
I liked him under rtd but this is not the rtd he was
But let's face it, the series is dead in the water and everything after capaldi even during his last season was and is pretty much terrible, I find it forgettable personally
At this point they are just chumming the water for sharks to tear them apart and lets face it they are circling closer after those 4 specials
Personally id prefer a complete new team
I'm hopeful because he's not running the show and is just contributing and his one off stories are acclaimed pieces of art.
Having seen Moffat lead multiple different shows I think it’s hard to deny that Moffat is not show runner material. I’m more than happy for him to return, but it’s taken me four attempts so far to get through the Moffat era of Who and I still haven’t managed to get through it.
I just want to make it through the first Capaldi season, but the Smith era drops off so hard and Capaldi just doesn’t seem to be given much chance early to be… likeable
Keep going with the Capaldi seasons. His early stuff I struggled with too, but long before the end he was one of my favourite Doctors. Can't deny it's rough in the early stages with him, it felt like they were trying to make him seem unlikeable. It changes as it goes on though. There's a lot of good reasons Heaven Sent is one of the more highly rated episodes, and Capaldi is most of them.
You really don't have to watch every single episode you know, you could just watch the top 7 rated episodes, that way you skip all the muck. When I watch past doctors I don't watch every single episode just for the sake of it, I only watch the gems.
He can be a good writer. He did write some quite good episodes, I'll give him that.
But he wasn't very good as the head writer.
Moffat is the GOAT. I hope they bring Mr fibuli back
More clinging to false hopes
me and my boyfriend have one term for moffat episodes "the writers barely disguised fetish" i will bet any man here 10 great British pounds there is a sexy "kissagram" when the story doesnt call for it or the use of the word sexy more than 5 times in the episode needlessly or for double your money or nothing, copious references to legs and overtly dominatrix characters (not as in they have agency and are people but are literal fantasy objects). in any story written by moffat. i genuinely will take this bet, moffat cant resist putting his own sexual kinks into every show he touches to the audiences discomfort.
if anyone wishes to take me on this bet. get in touch. though id reccommend watching doctor who vs. women first, to know whether you want to take that bet or not.
Really?
honestly as a self professed moffat hater i would genuinely love for him to write for doctor who again as long as he reins in his weird sexism issues. i find it really weird that people seemingly criticize him more for capaldi's run when it was easily far stronger than smith's. i hated moffat initially because of how he wrote for smith and while he didn't really seem to care much about the people criticizing him for his sexist writing, he did at the very least realize that the convoluted plots for every season weren't working and stopped making them a focal point of the whole season going forward with capaldi, which genuinely makes the seasons as a whole FAR more watchable
Please, the RTD era is more sexy.
Hoping this is sarcasm before watching the video
Steven moffat is the best writer in my opinion, as show runner though... Very hit or miss, Russell Davies didn't have many epic high points, but every episode is watchable. Steven moffat as show runner either made some of the most profound amazing episodes of tv ive ever seen or the worst drivel i had the displeasure of watching.
This is kinda why I think the more you watch Dr who the more you prefer moffat. Skipping past all the meh episodes to just the best ones makes moffat's time as show runner look amazing compared to Davies' but that's not entirely the case when you watch the whole series start to finish.
Moffat was great at one off episodes i hope he does a few one offs but doesn't go back to show runner
Well that is what is doing, RTD is showrunner, and Moffat is coming back as a guest writer.
*MOFFIT*
Steven is doctor who god. Period.
I think "Doctor Who God" would go to someone like Waris Hussain (show's first director) or to the late Bob Baker (only Who writer to hypothetically win 3 Academy Awards by association)
Moffat most recently made the show Inside Man, id watched a lot of Doctor Who and enjoyed Sherlock's early seasons. Inside Man has one of the worst scripts i have ever seen in recent television. Moffat is such a pretentious writer and he will not help the shows output in the future
This show you are talking about is not Doctor Who!
Some "fans" are never happy and always like a moan
*Dr Who is a dead franchise*
No, it is not asleep or resting or pining for the fjords. It is dead.
Let's just hope that Moffat keeps his weird acephobia out of the show
He is not RTD.
He's the best single episode writer ever. Not a great series writer
That is true, he was at his best as a single episode writer under RTD, but he has still got it, as he managed to write Heaven Sent and World Enough and Time in Peter Capaldi's era.
@chriszone50 agree he can't do serial that we'll but single episode are some of the best episodes of TV full.stop
Just as long as you keep him as far away as humanly possible from showrunning...
So you not want the show become worldwide popular.
@@mayotango1317I don't want worthless twists that don't go anywhere and for the series to disappear up its own arse. Moffat once dedicated an entire arc to the freaking title in the most obnoxious fashion making The Doctor somehow the focal point of everything - I'm glad with Russell we've a Doctor that's just as perplexed about the universe as before that keeps the show interesting providing depth to the character.
@@zocialix Really? Is RTD who make the Doctor a God.
@@mayotango1317 No, he didn't make him a: 'God' whilst I too don't like the resolution of Series 3, The Doctor in that instance wasn't a god, but an idea lingering in the network controlling Lazarus tech - it was the archangel network that resulted in him being exhausted of his regenerations through that, so it makes sense for there to be a reverse mechanism even if I disagree with the execution. Other than that I agree - I think Season 3 had the worst resolution Russell T. Davies has put to paper. None of this has any bearing on how under Russell The Doctor came up against things even he couldn't grasp and that's great cause even Timelord's can have limits or gaps in their knowledge of the universe which gives them depth as characters.
LOL DISNEY has killed Doctor Who. Watching Eddie Murphy dance accross the dance floor dressed in a tshirt and doing High School Musical numbers...................LOL This show is already dead
For the last time, Disney doesn't have creative control over the show. If you think the show is dead, then don't watch it anymore! It's not an airport, you don't have to announce you departing, you pudding brain!
Oh I get it - you're saying he's like Eddie Murphy cause in your mind all black people look and act the same...
Which was like 1 minute and a half in a 55 minute episode and disney didn't even put that scene in.
@@zocialixAnd even then, if the Fifteenth Doctor acted like Eddie Murphy - *how* exactly is a problem?
Nah. Moffat sucked lmao.
Like say what you will about Chinbail, he sucks, but sometimes in another way I can't stand Moffat's writing even more. Mostly during Series 5 and 6 with 11.
You really watch it or you just are a Tennant fangirl.
@@mayotango1317 Actually I'm more of a classic and EU fan, overall general fan YOU UNCULTURED SWINE
Doctor Who fandom: Moffat was at its best under RTD.
Also Doctor Who fandom: *votes a couple of his Capaldi stories as the best ever*
well thats because moffat is shit at world building, creating companions, and overarching series narratives
he had good moments as a showrunner but it doesn't mean the whole showrunning was good for DW. He makes good single episodes. Also Capaldi is the best so he made those episodes great 😅
@@KYCDK worldbuilding I think he is okay at. I understand on companions, even if the actors of those companions are still good, the script isn’t great there.
Capaldi's back was in pain, he had to carry the show.
I mean yeah he absolutely WENT OFF for the series 9 and 10 finales but his overall series narratives weren’t always the best, so rtds brilliant arcs paired with the moffs brilliant one off stories is just the perfect combination
Harbo: Why RTD's Return is Bad for Doctor Who
Also Harbo: Why Moffat's Return is Great for Doctor Who
Proves how little time I spend on the internet listening to other people’s opinions because I’ve absolutely been obsessed with Moffat since day 1. Never had any issues with any of his writing. I’ve got plenty of issues with RTD writing though. To me Moffat was way more interesting
He transcends and is immeasurably far beyond good or bad, in the end he is just moffat. And he's what we need.
Beautifully put
Based.
He has 5 whole episodes in the DWM episode rankings. Somebody’s lying about disliking Moffat 😂
Nobody else noticing that history us repeating itself and nuwho is pretty much at that point where old who was dropping off and getting binned, wouldnt be a surprise if doctor who gets cancelled altogether in the next few years only for it to have a revival 20 years later
God christ pray for the female characters
Pray he gets to all of them
I don't recall that being a problem in his episodes from before he was showrunner, except maybe Reinette, hopefully that means RTD did and will keep him in check.
i think he improved in this aspect towards the end of his run. Bill was much better than amy, for example.
Are you talking about Clara who was more successful than Rose at being "the Doctor's apprentice"? Or Amy who feels more real than the self-righteous and soft Yaz?
@@mayotango1317 they're talking about how moffat seems to be incapable of writing female characters who don't worship the doctor, as well as him seeming to very deeply misunderstand misogyny, once being quoted as saying something along the lines of "i don't write female characters misogynistically. If anything, I have a fetish for strong women" as if that isn't the problem. He writes the show with one hand.
I love Steven Moffatt I grew up watching his stories especially the Matt Smith era stories ,But my personal opinion on where he peaked was during Peter Capaldi's era
moffat era is my fav and my introduction to doctor who so i feel very happy about his return and also his episodes in seasons 1:4 were always one of the best
Boom was the best Doctor Who episode since Moffat left all the way back in 2017
I rather have moffat then RTD
Even after Netflix Dracula?