Spiderman JUST Became S+ Tier!! Advanced Guide Part 2

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  • @z00ko
    @z00ko  28 днів тому +19

    Guys the title of the video is ADVANCED guide. Some people struggle with combos but I come from fighting games where execution is part of being good at a character. Spider is difficult to make him good. People dragged psylocke, but top 500 are doing exactly what I talked about in the video. People drag spiderman but top grandmaster spiders are doing the combos from my first video. And the best player rn is iron man playing iron man exactly how I mentioned is his most optimal way and I never knew there were top 500 irons yet. I made my video days before they even got to the top. In short, optimization is never easy and it takes skill, time, and attention to detail with execution. It’s not for the casual players. I’m here to give you the way to be like the best, whether people do it or not. That’s on them. This is for the advanced players. Gather the information, practice and play. But there’s always more to learn and more to do. I love playing characters that force me to be better or work on them to get the potential out of them. That’s what spider is…. Ive only ran into one good spiderman EVER… and I msged him because I know he’s someone who learned these cancels and put time in the lab to master not only combos but movement. When you can’t react or get away from a spiderman and can’t track him while he’s swinging. And he bursts you in 1s before you can even click your buttons. He’s scary af. That’s the reward. Some people just want to have fun, some people want to be the best. I am going to show you how to be the best. How to optimize so you can have fun… AND win.
    People are still struggling with movement with Spider-Man. When in the first video I mentioned to jump to stop your momentum. Whether before or after any ability. People don’t have the attention spans to be great anymore. Guess it’s just the way of the new gen. But I gave people the code to be the best spiderman out here. If they apply this and master it. The result will be them being untouchable. I’m reading some of these comments and I get so disappointed that people couldn’t even see how what they were saying are their issues with spider… I have the new combos that eliminate those issues and makes his dmg extremely consistent and an option select. Also how now you can use your e that brings you to him to make all of your dmg now not having to deal with the momentum of a character or yourself. In short, people need to truly listen and watch and understand the character they’re trying to play and practice. Because spiderman is more consistent than black panther now. With all of his dmg now being quicker and more optimal for burst with less hitches and pauses or movement corrections to get the dmg.
    I’m more scared of a good spiderman rather than a great psylocke. Because if you don’t CC him. He can’t get touched. And now his burst are extremely scary. Comparing him to black panther is night and day. BP is horrible compared to spiderman.
    In short, play the character, master the character, and truly intake and think & listen.
    This is the way - Mandalorian

    • @EepyGirlLava
      @EepyGirlLava 28 днів тому +2

      Fully agree, but don't blame the new generation lol, we arent all like this this I swear, although I may be the only person I know my age who still has the patience to read a book and not spend time on tik tok or yt shorts, there are still a few of us left

    • @solaymantadmori1447
      @solaymantadmori1447 27 днів тому +1

      I knew you had an fg background the moment you started talking about option selects. Ngl I picked up spiderman for the same reasons the freedom and satisfaction you get from mastery with him is great. He kinda reminds me of Steve from Tekken the way he relies so much on animation cancels and great movement and timing. Good guides man keep up the good work.

    • @superfunforce8052
      @superfunforce8052 27 днів тому

      💯

    • @tenr4
      @tenr4 27 днів тому +1

      Can you like shorten to Compact points. I get you're making sure that people get what you're saying but i think that making a more shorter, more easier to read essay will be better

    • @kaidejesus-johnson3849
      @kaidejesus-johnson3849 27 днів тому +1

      Much love for takin the time to put this comment out appreciate the effort and info u put out keep it up plz don’t stop if u enjoy this. The comment says it all so I can’t wait to see upcoming content from a. Fellow Spider-Man lover appreciate and happy holidays!

  • @tts283
    @tts283 25 днів тому +12

    This advanced guide is extremely useful and I will be using it. However, the thing most people don't understand (specially non spidey mains) is that you don't really need to kill whoever your target is as spidey. You are meant to annoy the backline and distract them.
    In the 1-3 secs (or more) you distract their backline, your team can:
    - Kill the enemy tank because their healers are more preoccupied on surviving or shooting at you.
    - Your tanks and dps can play more agressively because the enemy dps are trying to kill you.
    - Your healers can keep everyone at full hp because as spidey, you got the mobility to stay healthy.
    You getting a kill as spidey is the cherry on the top. Most people notice the elims and dmg they do only because it is stated on the scoreboard. Just going to leave it at that.

  • @Tech_D3mon
    @Tech_D3mon 28 днів тому +38

    The problem with this is, hitting stuff like this mid fight is very hard not only that the uppercut doesn't stop any momentum for you or whoever you're using it on, so either you'll go too far or they'll go too far and it will mess with your aim giving them enough time to retaliate. So a lot of the times hitting that follow up after the uppercut is a lot harder than it looks.

    • @NonJohns
      @NonJohns 28 днів тому +8

      there's workarounds like not bhopping in the first place, using airstrafing to brake before the uppercut, using the enemies to body block you (you don't phase through them if you're not using movement abilities)
      there's actually lots of options but Spider-Man players have to sweat their butts off for anything
      which is kinda the best part
      but yeah you're right
      lots of factors to consider
      Edit:
      I totally misread your comment
      I agree
      not much can be done after the uppercut
      but cancelling the uppercut helps a lot
      I'm experimenting with a diving with a web swing, uppercutting and then using the grapple to followup

    • @9000twister
      @9000twister 28 днів тому

      You cant go too far when you just uppercut straight up then its just and aim thing, Web clusters still impossible to dodge with the webswing cancel

    • @Naxbot
      @Naxbot 28 днів тому +5

      Web zip to their feet and then cancel the ending lag with the same right click that you will use to start any of these combos. If done correctly you can completely stop the momentum.

    • @SarpSerter
      @SarpSerter 28 днів тому +4

      Man my problem is that the person im pulling during pull.abim headshot k.o s me.
      Honestly I dont think any of these combos work if the target is aware you are coming. If they are aiming you when you start the co.bo you are dead or you have to do the first %15 of this combo than instantly leave.

    • @NonJohns
      @NonJohns 27 днів тому +2

      @SarpSerter I've seen ppl turn 180 to avoid showing face
      but also!
      since spiderman is so squishy and has high mobility, unironically, you should only attack when ppl don't see you
      to prevent being counter bursted like this

  • @SnappySanad
    @SnappySanad 28 днів тому +12

    I knew I could cancel Lshift into web shoot but I didn't think it was possible to do it so fast that you don't even swing if you're aiming at terrain.
    I was practicing aiming at the air to cancel that lmao

  • @NonJohns
    @NonJohns 27 днів тому +3

    As an overwatch+ smash bros player, its pretty interesting to see all the newer players who don't have problem solving mindset yet or execution problems
    This is really good imo, it means that more players are getting into marvel rivals and its popular
    we have to be kind to the noobies and bear with their uhh
    shortcomings so we can help the life time of Marvel rivals 😎

  • @kevinrosa8045
    @kevinrosa8045 27 днів тому +6

    one tip, if you go to spider man keyboard settings you can actually switch binds of your 2 abilities on E, so if you'll see a setting called get over here marker, if you go down and switch your E bind and keep this first setting on E, it lets you use both versions of E even with the marker on, pretty useful btw

    • @Pazzystar
      @Pazzystar 25 днів тому

      the what the who??? 😂😂😂

  • @Spadoops
    @Spadoops 27 днів тому +1

    Nice vid and mention of the webswing cancels. The route ffame mentioned about canceling the hammerfist into uppercut is super important though. Not only because its a lot of damage, but also because the uppercut can cancel the animation really early and hit at the same time as the lingering hammerfist hitbox. With a web tracer on your target, you can burst both tanks and squishies fast as hell & build hella ult charge on large groups. Timing feels weird but adding this to your combos will help the one shot.

    • @z00ko
      @z00ko  25 днів тому

      I outgrew that old tech. Go watch my new vid. Showing the two most optimal combos spider had

  • @Joker_noAke
    @Joker_noAke 26 днів тому

    I thought everyone knew already, but you can bind get over here to 2 different buttons for it to pull you to them, or them to you (you have to bind get over here targetting to 1 button, and get over here to a different button entirely)

  • @GavinKujava
    @GavinKujava 23 дні тому

    Melee into F for that double tap

  • @ez1oxd
    @ez1oxd 28 днів тому +2

    u can still use your hook on a webbed enemy if u change your binds for the "targeting" skill, i have my hook set for R and helps make spider-man a great team player

    • @NonJohns
      @NonJohns 27 днів тому

      @@ez1oxd I do think people way underestimate the pull because it doesn't do damage... DISPLACEMENT IS CRAZY esp if you have a teammate with you to do any sort of chip!
      You can pull enemy out of los of healers, OR your teammate can do an inch of damage and then you can unleash your burst combo that USUALLY sucks because muh enemy heals
      it's a team based game guys lol

  • @Altay1
    @Altay1 27 днів тому +4

    In what real game scenario will you ever melee attack before using your E ability. You will never use these combos vs players as you nearly every time use your E ability as gap closer. In platinum+ elo people just kill you before you have the opportunity to punch them with melee attacks...

    • @NonJohns
      @NonJohns 27 днів тому +6

      @@Altay1 spiderman web swing has crazy mobility
      you can raw swing + dive bomb from the sky
      you can get the drop by hiding in the shadows with wall climb
      you can do the web swing and pull
      and you can even bunny hop into people with insane speed
      all of these options are pretty hard, but they work!
      you just have to be aware of the situation and predict your enemies' movement
      this stuff is possible!

    • @Altay1
      @Altay1 27 днів тому +1

      @@NonJohns I know, I often start with Web Swing + Web Shot Cancel into Uppercut then follow with the rest of my abilities for a kill. I´ve played a lot of Spidey vs good players and you simply have no time to be there swinging punches. You need to go in, do quick damage, and go out in another second. You die to 1 Hawkeye Arrow, 2 shots from Punisher shotgun, 2 Hela attacks, etc. If you go and try melee attacking vs players platinum above, you are dead meat. If the target lives after your combo, it´s always better to secure the kill with Web Shots rather than fishing for lucky melee hit - skilled people try to move out of your melee range asap. I was referring to his combos that involve melee attacks. Those you will never pull off before dying :D

    • @NonJohns
      @NonJohns 27 днів тому

      @@Altay1 I see
      I haven't gotten to play at high level so I can't say much other than "um well um... u just need better situational awareness" lol
      I can't fathom not having enough time to get more than 2 hits yet
      but I assume you're right

    • @tts283
      @tts283 25 днів тому +1

      I often drop down on enemies that aren't aware I'm above them to save my e to finish them. The thing this video really opens up with is that basically cancel your e, uppercut and web shooting animation with web swinging.

  • @umebius6997
    @umebius6997 28 днів тому +5

    I would say do keep in mind that a lot of these combos maximizing DPS/time efficiency at the cost of increased complexity. For example the combo (A) shown in 4:18, instead of doing that, you can kill a Panther with just (B): Web>E (full animation)>Melee>Web>Uppercut. In comparison, B can be triggered in any range, require only 1 Melee>Web timing precision instead of 2 Melee>E and Shift>Web precisions, and the time to kill is pretty much the same. Take another combo for example, 4:26, (C) that's 7 key inputs. Then of course in a practical situation enemy might be getting heals but you would also want to keep your bread and butter short simple and flexible.

    • @NonJohns
      @NonJohns 28 днів тому

      Yeah we're at the phase where people are optimizing purely for burst, but in the future, spiderman players will be able to situationally judge which combos to use and also be doing this at a million mile hit and runs
      no heals? yeah web over web upper
      highly mobile? upper grapple
      no swings left? do the slow version because Mantis only has one charge left anyway
      it's exciting to imagine what the future holds

    • @umebius6997
      @umebius6997 28 днів тому

      @@k4rma13 Well its just untrue that you need to stand for that combo to work, and you don't need to play out the full E, you can uppercut cancel and then follow up with melee and webs, the timing precision is still way less than his combo. And you're overexaggerating a lot.

    • @umebius6997
      @umebius6997 27 днів тому

      @k4rma13 @k4rma13 If you actually put two or one brain cell to work, you would figure out whatever combo you are using IT CAN BE COUNTERED OR CANCELLED. Even if you're using any combos shown in this vid, you cancel the E with Right Click, you think a Support wouldn't be able to CC you? As for not being able to copy my mentioned combo (I didn't create this its all over other videos), ppsss, SKILL ISSUE.

    • @umebius6997
      @umebius6997 27 днів тому

      @@k4rma13 I meant the cancel E with Shift and Right Click he showed in vid but there's no point arguing with you go do whatever you wanna do not my problem

  • @sniperpaintcorrection
    @sniperpaintcorrection 27 днів тому

    In fights soon as you do these combos they are able to jump back after the web to avoid the uppercut or when you do the upper cut they jump to avoid the next hits .

  • @Nekropl
    @Nekropl 27 днів тому

    That's really amazing, but i don't like to use my E from close range because it's allows me to initially ingage with high damage, but this animation cancel is a big changer

  • @robertbarber1198
    @robertbarber1198 27 днів тому +1

    Playing this character on pad is borderline impossible for me.

    • @Ed_AlphA
      @Ed_AlphA 26 днів тому

      My tip would be to have a scuff controler and/or map as many buttons to your triggers and shoulder buttons

  • @Pazzystar
    @Pazzystar 25 днів тому

    is there a website where i could just read? the combos???😅

  • @Pazzystar
    @Pazzystar 25 днів тому

    i would dream of web shooters that disables enemy space bar jump for few seconds!!! you jump in the middle of enemies as spiderman

  • @Respec2.1
    @Respec2.1 28 днів тому +1

    Well , I am console player and it's torture to do this things , but it possible , just HARD AsF

    • @mattiguess8094
      @mattiguess8094 27 днів тому

      pretty easy for me with the right binds

  • @E46330ci
    @E46330ci 27 днів тому +2

    Dont do that, don’t give me hope 🥺

  • @Shambreezy
    @Shambreezy 15 днів тому

    this combos are good but hard to execute on higher ranks D3-GM3 since most healers are alert basically you'll stick on the basic combo because before you even land the final hit they'll either run away or get heals and there's our friend namor fk that hero haha

  • @jonfall7941
    @jonfall7941 26 днів тому

    Why do you need to use your left shift in these combos? Like web-melee-web-uppercut.
    What does the swing/zip button get you there?

    • @tts283
      @tts283 25 днів тому

      This opens up the fact that you can cancel the e, uppercut and web shooting animation with short pressed web swinging.

  • @superfunforce8052
    @superfunforce8052 27 днів тому +1

    Try to explain moves with type of attack, not clicks, I dont use a mouse lol

    • @9000twister
      @9000twister 27 днів тому +1

      Right click is your left trigger and left click is your right trigger. We refer to shooting or meleeing as left clicking in pretty much any game itll be your right trigger

    • @superfunforce8052
      @superfunforce8052 27 днів тому

      @@9000twister that helps ty, although I have custom controls for many characters so I will have to reverse engineer lol

  • @alfredhigglestein2828
    @alfredhigglestein2828 27 днів тому

    I'm struggling with the melee into e part, either doing it too early and skipping/cancelling the melee or doing it too late and the web is detonated/disappeared already.
    Is it purely a timing thing and something I just have to keep trying until I get it?

    • @z00ko
      @z00ko  27 днів тому +2

      timing purely, you can try looking at the hit markers and try to time it at that exact same time the hit markers show up but a little more preemptively

    • @alfredhigglestein2828
      @alfredhigglestein2828 27 днів тому

      @@z00ko alr sick thanks ill keep trying

  • @maxisqt
    @maxisqt 28 днів тому

    Just change your "get over here" binding to be different from your E?

    • @9000twister
      @9000twister 27 днів тому

      Why?

    • @kevinrosa8045
      @kevinrosa8045 27 днів тому

      ​@@9000twister read mine above

    • @9000twister
      @9000twister 27 днів тому

      @kevinrosa8045 Its def not like anything special but its a nice option, Not like auto swing

  • @sannyvillalon3330
    @sannyvillalon3330 26 днів тому

    what is a combo to one shot 250/275 hp heroes?

    • @z00ko
      @z00ko  25 днів тому

      Go watch my newest spider videos

    • @Shambreezy
      @Shambreezy 15 днів тому

      cluster, E, uppercut, web swing, cluster, left click

  • @A4RENSIX
    @A4RENSIX 28 днів тому +2

    its such a shame we have to do all of this to make him viable when everyone else is just op off rip

    • @jadenfoster7702
      @jadenfoster7702 28 днів тому +1

      U don't I main spider man and I only be doing the the basic stuff and still be going 30-3 I feel like the most important thing is just having good movement these advanced combos that are insanely hard to pull off aren't needed

    • @A4RENSIX
      @A4RENSIX 28 днів тому +2

      @@jadenfoster7702 u must be getting bot lobbies ive been playing him since beta and every game i get healers who just never die even with basic and advanced combos. even with venom combo they still don't die i do the whole combo and web them even AFTER the venom thing and they survive

    • @hikami6207
      @hikami6207 27 днів тому

      @@A4RENSIX tbh in good lobbies you will probably not be able to land this combos still unless in a 1v1, cause healers will stick with their team and heal each other, which means not enough time to execute most of this combos before everyone looks at you and melts you

    • @jadenfoster7702
      @jadenfoster7702 27 днів тому

      @A4RENSIX Im gold 3 so they definitely aren't bots u just just have to keep going in over and over and you'll find someone that isn't getting healed once you kill one healer the other one is usually pretty easy to kill then after that u go for a dps if u can

    • @zoang211
      @zoang211 27 днів тому

      @@A4RENSIX look at ffame's combo its as good as the venom one, maybe even better, bc you dont need the team up but its kinda hard

  • @AMCBhave
    @AMCBhave 27 днів тому

    why do you want to animation cancel by doing lshift into web? What is it achieving?

    • @9000twister
      @9000twister 27 днів тому +2

      Like he said for the upper cut at the beginning, Using webcluster is wrong normally because its slower than meleeing, when you instantly cancel the animation of anything with a web swing and do the move much faster, Kills happening much faster with much more combo in the middle thats adding lots of overall DPS to your overall gameplay.

  • @ilunne1221
    @ilunne1221 27 днів тому +1

    im trying to do this, is hard as fuck D: how long it took for you to make it consistent?

    • @NonJohns
      @NonJohns 27 днів тому +2

      @@ilunne1221 It really depends on your experience with combo execution
      I have 24 hours in marvel rivals and I'm at the point where it takes me a couple hours to learn knew combos
      BUT I have like hundreds of hours in super smash bros ultimate and even more untracked hours in other fighting games
      so it may take you longer than gamers if you don't have that "press buttons in a special order with special timings" skill yet
      I think it's really satisfying to learn combos and pull them off in game and I hope you do too

    • @z00ko
      @z00ko  27 днів тому +2

      15m but I have a lot of fighting game experience with cancels and such.... look at my channel history.... I love fighting games so this came easy

  • @Pazzystar
    @Pazzystar 25 днів тому

    so just spam all buttons? either way learning all this bullshit still doesnt make SpiderM as deadly as other melee duelists, he hits so weak, supposed to have spider strength???

  • @5kitz
    @5kitz 28 днів тому

    whats massering mean?

  • @5kitz
    @5kitz 28 днів тому

    "like dis"

  • @5kitz
    @5kitz 28 днів тому

    wait guys whos the bad boy? spiderman or wakinda? (im 1/10 black so im not from wakanda im like from wakinda?) *waves hand while saying this