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Igneous is even better now after the health changes take effect. It can still 2h1b all resilence guardians with precision instrument. It just seperated itself from every other 120 by a mile now. Sturm had advantages over it before with it's monster stats but with precision instrument it is now the only 120 worth running. And if you fight a a PI Ingeious with a diffrent 120 you are at a massive disadvantage. I feel like they may nerf PI on Igneous though because it's makes the health changes irrelevant.
The biggest problem this game has is its foundation. They built it to last 3 years and not to be a live service
I have been saying this. The seasonal content since shadowkeep has been screaming "keep them back for a few months than try to get their attention with something else" the thing people like these content creators are missing is destiny is a whole different game than say world of warfcraft or diablo. You can't put the content in the same standards. Honestly destiny would've been better without all this weekly bs with seasons. I haven't been engaged with a season since the first batch in shadowkeep.
the game had and has potential, but it wants to restart the brand. Ideally, it should be done on UE5, servers for PvP, and a hardcore mod or Esport league can easily be created....I absolutely do not understand how, with such a large study, I will not use the potential of the game....
For me the biggest issue is the formulaic content they reduced everything to. There is never the feeling of something new or truly fresh in the game. Everything they do you have already seen or done 1000 times.
All games are like that now, COD is just the same thing reskinned every year. I don't think any pvp game is going to be truly fresh or groundbreaking anymore because we have seen it all before. What can any game developer do to make any pvp fps shooters ground breaking at this point? It's the same thing repackaged by different companies. Destiny pvp was different than most fps pvp games with the abilites and supers. Cod tried to change things up with Infinite warfare and it was a disaster so they stopped trying to innovate and just stuck to the formula.
Judging by a lot of the top Destiny content creators starting to move away from just covering Destiny I'd say we got our answer right there.
The player count has been dwindling over time, and I’ve always wondered “what are the destiny content creators gonna do?” The views on destiny videos are going down, so they’re covering other stuff, but I wonder if the transition will be successful or not. D2 used to stay in the top 10 on steam, and many players almost exclusively played it and watched content related to it. It seems those days are over. I’ve played maybe 50 hours in the last year, but like 500 the year before. Not because it’s worse, but because I got tired of it. PvP main btw.
@@Bunta1987qwerty Destiny was already struggling but you now throw mega hit Helldivers into the mix and I think that may be the final nail in Destinys coffin.
Even if the game continues, the community will die.
@@Mattblaze1477 It'll all depend on TFS performance. If TFS does well, then people will still leave destiny but will probably keep an eye on further releases, which means Bungie would still have a chance to win people back. If TFS does poorly, then it's over as building back the trust from the community after failing on such a great expansion would be a nigh impossible task.
Personally, I'm more excited for what comes after TFS, as I do believe this "Light and Dark saga" has shackled the writing and storytelling too much due to greed from the higher ups. It has dragged on for more than it needs to. After TFS, bungie will have a new clean slate to expand on things in the story that were never expanded upon, and in much better ways. Of course, this is going to depend on if Bungie actually capatilizes on that potential and honestly, I'm not too hopeful. Nonetheless, I will keep an eye like everyone else after TFS ends
Day1 d1 player and my opinion much like my other friends is we just don’t really care anymore wether we want it or not good or bad we have all lost the feeling the game used to give us which is kinda sad but what can you do
d1 day1 player too, i fully agree, life has just gone on and the game hasn’t impressed me enough to make me come back as there’s so many other games out now that interest me. It hasn’t built properly upon the great base it created as a game. Just got sick of the same structure with every dlc release and somehow they started releasing less and less content.
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@@josph3n if your life had really gone on, you wouldn't be here commenting on a destiny video. Much less about the future of destiny.
That’s what happens when u play a game for 10 yrs😂
@@JizzSock_One does not exclude the other. He moved on from playing, but watches a video or two every few months to see if there is something in this game that is worth returning to. He has the right to watch, comment, or waste time in whatever way he wants.
I just got into destiny 2. It was a rough learning curve, wish I had help,lol, but the more I'm learning the more I'm really enjoying it
You need some help? I might not be able to get on today but I can help you if you need, this is game is insanely overwhelming for newbies so...
Don’t … get out while u can
my suggestion is to look for a clan that has a community of players focused on the same activities that interest you, there's a ton of clans that are open and very helpful to newer incoming players.
@@mrbesser177 it's too late. I've put in 30 hours in the last week, I think I'm hooked
@sussBebo I joined a clan day two. I didn't really know that I joined one. Someone sent me an invite and without realizing what it meant, I had joined.
It looks like they're a big clan with discord, and they're all about friendly help for older people looking to get into the game. I just haven't reached out yet, because I wanted to learn what I could without looking completely useless. Lol
they should make pve enemies slide in and out of cover while shooting, or shooting while jumping. make it feel like pvp a little bit
I’ve been making this argument forever. Higher difficulty should mean smarter AI, not just bots with tank health. Imagine bosses that play like good players. Play halo infinite against the highest level bots. They’re really convincing.
this is honestly one of the best bridges from PvE to PvP bungie can add to the game to help those players wanna try it
@@ImMrMes33ks seriously. If your PvE capabilities were a good indication of how you might do in PvP, the PvP community would blossom. Instead, PvE is about preparation (build and mods) and memorization. PvP is about range management, map knowledge, and aim/movement skills. I've been working on a crucible ripoff (in UE5) with some popular weapons and subclasses. It's not done yet, but I'm sure bungo would slap me with a lawsuit if I released it anyway. I just want PvP to be an activity we do just for fun, self improvement, and as a personal challenge.
@@Bunta1987qwerty yo im interested in that project
Thats one of the things I hate about PvP and why I feel Destiny should've been a singleplayer game with a good story. PvP playstyle looks absolutely dumb af.
Another perspective for why the number of players was high for lightfall was because the previous expansion was a banger, and people got fooled for what was coming next... instead, we got nimbus and a pissy Osiris.
I never thought I’d be sick of Osiris. Definite over saturation. Politically motivated retcons didn’t help either.
Yeah, it’s that simple.
Witch queen wasn't safe tho. Witch queen suffered the same thing lightfall and beyond light did, the dlc didn't have nearly enough content or impact and was same shit different year. We need a whole content shakeup not another good campaign and raid
No it’s because Bungie put 4/5 of the DLC’s entire cutscenes into the trailer and made it appear bigger and held an important value in the narrative of the story, which it clearly does not. It is literally a scam, and considering the fact that Bungie is a well known corporation that exploits mental instability to gain profits proven by their million dollars psychologists that they hired to take advantage on the essence of FOMO, then tried to balance it off by acting like they care about mental health while at the same time banking on that ESG scores, then you can see how people would say that Lightfall is a literal scam 🤷🏻♂️ bad bussiness practices embodied as a corporation.
One of the hardest, veiniest, girthiest pills to swallow is that pvp is simply harder in most cases than pve. Weapons matter more in most cases. Abilities matter more. Stats matter more. Positioning and game sense matter more in low level pvp than in mid to high tier pve. Only in gms, raids, dungeons do these things matter. Some people may simply not care enough to get better at the game unless there’s something to motivate them to do so
yep. i've played this game a lot and have never been flawless despite maining PVP for multiple seasons. i've done solo dungeons though. i've done master raids (ok FINE it was RoN but it still was a master raid). never been flawless.
I've been flawless once? Maybe twice can't exactly remember. And honestly the rewards I got from it were so underwhelming I just haven't touched any pvp mode aside from iron banner because it's genuinely fun (No not boring control I'm talking Fortress and eruption those are fun as hell)
Like the only thing I moderately cared about getting was the trials memento and the ascendant shard. But I'd rather do a GM for the ascendant shard the trails emblem is but ugly on way too many weapons so I'm never touching it again. I dunno the rewards for pvp are so underwhelming compared to pve when you notice how much fun pve usually is (grandmasters are a snore fest and bore me half to death when I play through them)
That and it's not as frustrating when you get destroyed in pve compared to pvp. When you get destroyed in pvp you just feel like shit, you've prepared and built everything just for seemingly everyone to take turns on you as they run right through whatever planning you had in mind and now your teammates are berrating you and you just... Don't feel joy in winning because you then realize you'll need to do that hellish experience six more times and win just to get some mediocre loot in a shit game mode with a shit ruleset and a soul draining atmosphere.
Meanwhile in pve, you get railed by a raider? Annoying but you can get right back up and mow down dozens of the bastards and enjoy watching your build simply tear through your enemies swiftly. It's fun it's exhilarating it makes me want to get better. How anyone can stomach destiny's pvp is beyond me. It just seems so dull and terrible. Then again some people think that the new modern warfare games and their multiplayer modes are fun when they're at best slop with absurdly low time to kill rates. (Like .4 ish? Can't remember how fast I get bodied in that game it just feels like shit.)
Oh and don't forget holding the input button for ten damn seconds for your card to reset. That just makes me miserable as well when I feel like I got my stride in and then I have to rest my fifth win card because I blanked out for half a second. I dunno pvp seems intentionally parasitic to D2 as a whole. I'd have preferred if they never threw pvp in at all.
PvP is really the only reason why most people like myself go for God rolls and high stats. Anti PvP clowns don’t understand this. Even if PVe was harder, there simply isn’t enough of it.
@@bannedmann4469 exactly. I have suboptimal armor roles and weapon roles for PVE and they do 99% of what i need them to do. I dont need that extra 1% for PVE. In PVP? A missing perk isnt an option. It is mandatory to have the perfect 5/5, or at least very close to it.
I dont think i want to play it anymore after final shape to be honest. Kina ready for it to be over.
Episodes look like trash.
@@bannedmann4469they're just seasons
The problem is the seasonal content was designed to be temporary and it takes way too much manpower that everything else falls because of it. There hasn't been a single story beat that excited me since witch queen and it feels like all the seasonal content is just a fancy strike playlist. Crucible feels abandoned and gambit is abandoned. On top of that, Only one specific subclass per class is getting a super next season? Huh? I don't know what they were thinking leaving behind 6/9 of players and we've needed new enemy AI since the game was released. It feels like one faction with three 1/2 different skins. Melee fodder runs at you, weak gun stand in open shooting, big guy with gun hold position and shoots, suicide fodder rushes you. There's no strategic thinking at all. They started something good with the light and darkness powered enemies, but all good ideas are abandoned in the end
As a PvP player I’m fine PvP being “abandoned”. That makes it more like a sport. My biggest issue is they need to tune weapons so there is no clear “meta”. Basketball doesn’t change, Tennis doesn’t change, golf doesn’t change. I don’t think PvP should keep changing all the time
@@itshadoukenBasketball, Tennis and Golf change all the time. They tweak rules all the time, for many reasons. In golf the weapons have become OP, so they are fighting power creep all the time, Tennis is the same, plus they have crazy rules that people are abusing atm. Look at soccer, wow, how many rule changes nearly every year. Nah, if you look at these games from the 1960s, the 1980s and then now you will see how much they've changed the games up. I get what you're saying though, plus I agree with you on a fundamental level.
@@vjfxtheory Never played Destiny 1 but just got done playing some Halo 2 in the MasterChief Collection, maybe we should whine about Halo 2's lack of content updates LMFAO, spoiled whiny gamers nowadays sheesh
@itshadouken well here's one big issue, destiny 1 still has more maps than D2, and a hell of a lot more when you look up how many are reskins, just like the past 4 or 5 have been
@itshadouken it's not whiney when it's literally the point of the game. Destiny is supposed to change and improve. And they started improving again than just gave up halfway through. Idk what you're on but pvp def needs more game modes and maps if D1 surpasses it in every aspect there
As a casual I hope they change how upgrading gear works, I'm just too low on mats all the time to even try out builds I would like to try out. Never even managed to get to triple 100 stats. It's frustrating and usually causes me to quit once I burned through my season pass mats lol
One reason is because the game is shallow and grindy at the same time. The game doesn't force players to move on to harder content with meaningful loot.
Because there is no progression system. There used to be an actual use for the blue drops and trash ground legendaries letting new players stack up resources before they started using them. Now they throw new players in and think it's a good thing
I'm another casual player (or was), and I agree with you. I was logging on, after they stopped upping the light levels, took away all the pinnacles, and even if they hadn't they had this delta where you would always be capped at an under leveled position. I had no more goals, and no incentive to do anything at a higher difficulty because all it caused was frustration. Now, I know the reaction of a lot of trolls will be "git gud," and I agree, except for the fact that I'm never given a reason why it's worth it to keep going through the frustration. Idk, just a rant from a casual who thinks they made a huge mistake with the difficulty level that caused a HUGE chunk of us to just leave. Like a few other people said, the lack of progression means people aren't going to stick with the game. Yes, there is certainly a niche for the type of gameplay that Destiny 2 is currently offering, but I think business-wise, they just callously disregarded the majority of their playerbase, and now we're all gone. This is all not even mentioning how god-awful their onboarding process is. I've seen so many people start Destiny 2, have loads of fun for a couple of months because the gunplay is fantastic, but I've also seen tons of people start and stop playing after 2 hours because they have no clue what they should be doing. Heck, even when they had a better onbaording tutorial (the red war bit), I still ended up having to look stuff up online constantly because nothing was ever defined and the quests say nothing that makes any sense. Like...that mint for the cats? who the heck would have any idea what to do with that or why it shows up in your quest list unless you look it up or someone tells you. There's tons of really ambiguous stuff in this game.
I'm surprised even casuals are not happy with the build system/materials. They've dumbed the system down so much it almost feels wrong to call our gear "builds" you just slap on an exotic and run whatever stats correlate to it. Boom "build" done. I am not necessarily a casual player but I think the system needs more diversity.
You three should start a weekly podcast. Figure out the logistics during the lull, and have it up and going for FS. There's potential there.
I'm mainly a PVP player but I don't think Gambit is bad. I had alot of fun playing last season, I actually prestiged 4 times. It's alot more fun IMO than Vanguard ops. I wanted a god roll Plug One and Wendigo so I was grinding vanguard this season and I hated it. Each match is unique with Gambit, with Vanguard it's just the same damn thing over and over.
In reality “I am over 30 and I just don’t have the time/patience/reflexes to get an adept weapon that I believe will make me a better player in PvP because I lose to adept weapons because they are minutely better.”
That's a skill issue though. 34 here and I work 8 hours a day, go to the gym, tend to my relationships and I still get solo flawless every weekend. Nothing wrong with not being skilled at a video game though.
@@angelgustavoulloagalvez3366 skill issue or not, it is an issue that game developers often need to keep in mind because a significant portion of the customer base will have similar issues.
@@dirtyDROID74 and it's also okay for not all people to be good at PvP. Some people just suck and that is FINE.
@@angelgustavoulloagalvez3366 sounds like you have something to prove about being good at destiny pvp, literally nobody cares
@@dirtyDROID74They already have kept them in mind. They can get regular weapons which are only marginally worse. Cut the crap.
I play Destiny for the story and the lore. I’ve fallen off in terms of getting new guns and loot for my character, but the story is what keeps me playing.
Yeah no other live service have the lore like destiny
you must like reading because almost everything else is poorly made.
This is surprising.
Destinys story is incoherent and just plain not good. Makes me wonder what other games people have played.
I've quit d2 twice for couple years at a time. Year ago I returned and was thinking that maybe finally I'll make a second character, only to find the core game missing. I'm not sure, but have a feeling they've made the "start of the game" same as it was on d1? I don't really care how this ends. I'll play as long as I've got nothing better to do and there are awesome people to teach how things work. As much as I like to play alone, the groups I've done raids in have been the best thing in the game.
Yea they removed over half the content of original d2 from the game and most expansion content too. The new/returning player experience is a fucking mess these days.
There are better games man, dont waste your time on sludge. Try Baldur's Gate 3 its fantastic.
It has to. And I mean this from a business standpoint. There's no way Sony spends this much money to acquire Bungie just for them to put this game on life support with nothing else on the market to generate revenue.
Right! Why don’t they have an award winning top notch writer and director come in to assist or just take over?So much could change with those two major changes to save this sinking ship. Then we would just need innovation with a fuck ton of instant content. Not this drip fed bullshit that cost 100.00 for less than what I pay for a new game with EVERYTHING.
On that note, whomever wrote WQ did a great job. So what’s happening here? I just wish there was more of the game feeling alive in the open world.
The issue isn't the campaign or the raid, it's how long players are engaged with the game that will make or break the long term community.
It seems like there's just enough content to get a lot of activity for a few weeks, then all the dedicated players have all the loot, milestones, and quests completed so there's nothing else to play the game for.
Bungee needs to make at least one activity that is worth playing for something besides loot. The only reason most players play Trials, GMs, Raids, Iron Banner etc. Is for the loot. Let's see some real time trial stuff like that one lightfall mission with the spinning death wall, or some modifiers that change daily rather than weekly or SOMETHING other than RNG loot at the end of a miserable tunnel that's worth booting the game for cause it won't be the story that keeps players around. It's the content.
What about an endless horde mode that increases in difficulty as time goes on? I know I am comparing different games but in warframe survival is one of the most popular game modes.
You’re thinking of PvP
I've honestly just never enjoyed PVP, even when I've won matches. It's always just felt like a chore I needed to endure to get X-weapon (Riptide) in order to bring it to PVE. Like eating a bowl full of raw kale. You feel like you need to do it, but hate every minute.
I really enjoyed this discussion and hope to see some more from the 3 of you caus you bring up some really interesting points
It will be another year of void overshield titans with 500 health barricades :( - wild how none of these were addressed in the ability update
I think there are diminishing returns in innovating destiny 2 at this point. The game is coming up on 7 years old at this point. We need innovation of the core experience. They need to make patrol areas feel more alive with and random. Get rid of the travel areas that are essentially just loading zones. We should be actually protecting civilians in base defense against random waves of enemies with actual challenging bosses. With the ability to get upgrades for the base and character. Get rid of the loading zone travel areas make each world one big area. Give us an endless procedurally generated mode where we can trigger bosses. Give us an extraction mode with optional pvp. Give us patrol zone with 12 people and have actual live events with raid bosses. I think these would all make the game better but I don’t think they could do it with current hardware.
After 4K hours I just logged in one day and just didn’t care anymore. I think what really started the apathy for the game for me was the mod system changes. I love crafting builds long Diablo player, long The Division player. I’ve always felt like the build crafting was extremely bland even when we had charged with light, elemental wells, and warming cells; however, the system was deep enough to keep me playing trying to find the perfect solar arms for a stasis build all about shattering because it would proc explosive Wellmaker for an example. Now the builds are just soooo boring, to achieve the power level of what builds can do today took a little more thought and grinding for pieces to make it happen and if felt way more satisfying to pull it off.
The only future is Destiny 3 , and letting you carry some things or reward players from destiny 2 , like Path of exile is doing PO2 and all the cosmetics are transitioning to the new game.
The game needs to be built to last and for content not to be DCV , imagine as a new players doing all the content they made from 10 years ago , destiny would have a massive backlog of content to do the story alone would be on par with FF14 .
And they need to be honest with us , people backed D1 and D2 and believed in the franchise and bungie let us down in various ways , I hope they can pull out a good release , but probably they wont the fact they didn't gave us a timeline of what D2 will be is telling.
And no I wont be buying TFS 100€ pack like I did in every expansion and I dont intend to play their new games because in my view the way they treated D2 community burnned the bridge for me .
It would be nice if they made a forge for the pvp players as a little send off
came here just to state the obvious; NO, game is done after final shape, it is already declining and crashing. it's done after this guys, it was always the plan.
Destiny just needs to switch to a full on progression model. You need to start at lv1, and level up to level 40, and then you can get to light level 2100 when Final Shape comes out. Organize all of the story/seasonal, dungeon, and expansion content in a neat chronological line, and give that gear a permanent place in the progression cycle. This is how they did it in D1 as well.
Game mode where you drop unstops overloads barrier and champions in pvp maps for the pvers
I just have no reason to play, I still have my weapons that I did day one raids with so I'm not struggling, I am rank 60-ish in the season and haven't updated the game in a month. I don't know why I should be bothered to not just uninstall the game for the extra storage space at this point.
And I love the game, so by all means I invite people to try and convince me, but I just get so bored or frustrated with everything I do now that I rather spend my time grinding in other games.
Pretty sure you are wrong about raids. They updated the loot pool and craftable weapons for last wish which turned from a dead raid to something everyone was doing during season of the deep. When they do that for garden of salvation, the same will happen
I think it killed the long term replayability. Once you have your red borders there's nothing to gain.
@@thisisntme5742 Same thing happens when you get your god roll
"Oh well that's it God roll acquired don't need to play anymore"
At worst it just lengthens the frustrating chase to get a gun which you'd like to have. At best? It speeds up the process and allows for people to get what they want sooner, faster, and much more reliably. For me crafting has improved this game immensely and I'm very happy with its addition.
@@thisisntme5742The solution is already here in the form of new adepts. But they’re lazy and don’t wanna implement it into more than 2 raids. I don’t know why the clowns in the video have forgotten about those.
Getting burned by Lightfall was a 3 point problem for my friends and I.
1) They burned us many times before and this was another one.
2) They burned us more than usual with Lightfall. It was a terrible new planet and the replayability simply wasnt there. The story was trash too.
3) None of us recommend anyone to come back. Zero trust or faith in Bungie.
These videos ALWAYS come on rotation with content creators when the seasons show down 😂
They always say the same unimaginative things too. Always bending over and taking a defeatists attitude about content creation and power creep. Especially that last one. It’s pathetic, and more pathetic that Bungo almost exclusively listens to these people. I actually think it’s the root of a lot of problems in the franchise.
@@bannedmann4469the more I watch these kiddos the more I'm encouraged to make a full detail video on how destiny is bad.
speaking of a new game mode system do you think bringing back vehicles and/or a more halo type pvp in destiny would be beneficial? Or just a completely new system of pvp entirely?
Better Incentives and a system at the tower too help new lights.
I feel sorry for all the guys who WASTE years playing (and thinking about it) destiny.
28:31 make the meta guns quest that can be played with friends so 3 people are playing/guiding new people and the forge bonds in the game making them stick around even if the first friends stop playing.
There is no future, none of these ideas are going to happen.
They need to at some point bring back the original campaign and raids
that thunder crash at 13:07 hurts
I hated the Comp Revamp. There is no point to have a ladder based system and yet match me based on my skill level. If you have me in Platinum but I'm facing Adept/Ascendant and that's my "skill" level, why not just have me in those ranks? It makes zero sense whatsoever and honestly keeps me out of the comp playlist
I'm 36 now. Been playing since D1 Beta. I've had most kills in a match (30 plus), I'm decent at comp (gold 1), i'm reset rank 9 with shaxx,... never been flawless. I just can't get it. I hit a skill ceiling where the super sweats live and I get abso wrecked. I try every weekend and it just seems to get sweaty-er and sweaty-er. Feels like i'm playing against Wallah or IFrostbolt. I've just resorted to ranking up with Saint in order to open engrams for weapons. Idk what to do to get better...
Why is Trials ADEPT loot always better than GM ADEPT loot?!!!
Imagine if we got these in The Final Shape expansion!
1.) A new super class (red super)
2.) Flying mounts in the form of Baby Ahamkara Dragons🐉
3.) A new Alien enemy race, once mr witness is killed he'll go back to being the race that formed him!
I could play competitive or trials for a ~1% "chance" of good weapon rolls, or spend my time chasing Red Borders for a gurantee of one. Crafting proved just how disrespectful of player time the base weapon grind is, and Bungie has said they want to cut back on it?
I'll go play something else instead.
I just don’t believe Bungie is going to support the game after the episodes happen. It makes no sense to with marathon on the horizon. I assume a pitch for D3 has been made at this point so we will just wait and see
I'm a bit baffled by the fact that you guys didn't know the story was important. Its not just something for "casuals" or "new players". I'm a D1 Beta Vet and i play about 20 to 30 hours a week, the story is the main thing that keeps me coming back. This feels like a bit of a thing you guys might not understand because you are in the pvp echo chamber. Story has always been important to Bungie games. It may not be why you personally play but if it didnt matter channels like My Name is Byf wouldn't have over 1 million subscribers.
It’s not a pvp player thing I think, I play mostly pve and when I got into d1 back in the day most people told me the best stuff comes after the campaign, which has been a recurring thing when I moved to d2 and a way to deflect criticism of the campaign for years, it shocked me when people loved witch queen for it’s campaign because I didn’t see the change in the player base beforehand. Do you think it’s also because people don’t engage with end-game activities as much as they used to? Just curious :)
@YorkieVision not really. Like I mentioned story has always been important to bungie games. When people talk about Halo they talk about pvp and the story the human covenant war and the flood. Same goes for Destiny D1 was always criticized for the lack of story. You'd have to be blind not to see the "I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain" memes. This isn't a change this has always been important to the game. Like I mentioned if it wasn't My name is Byf wouldn't have a million subs, people wouldn't be hyped for cayde in final shape. I think you might just be playing with people who aren't interested in it. That doesn't mean the community changed.
@@geasslordzero I guess I agree but I think that it’s more about the campaign story and I’d argue that it’s not been a huge factor for Destiny because if you look at D1 there’s no way people were mainly interested in the story otherwise the game would have died immediately or at least over time.
@YorkieVision people were interested in the story that's why people complained so much. They wanted to know about this new world. What the Traveler is, where these aliens came from, where the exo and Awoken came from, and what the light and the darkness are. If people didn't care about the story no one would have complained about the story being bad in D1. There are plenty of good games with bad stories where no one mentions it at all.
I feel like these two are disconnected from the pve or casual player base. A lot of what they say shows they primarily play pvp and are elitists. PvP like trials is incredibly punishing and tiring. It can take hours or a whole day to finally get the luck to go flawless. A raid takes only a few hours at the longest and the master day one raids are an optional achievement, not something you need to do. Also trials is the same over and over for a weekend. No different encounters, just the same map, getting punished by whatever cheesy or annoying meta you didn’t know was a thing. Pve content requires patience, builds, communication, and understanding to beat hard encounters. PvP has none of that besides communication if you have other people willing to do that with you. And the players you go against can be easy or so hard match to match, so it is more good luck than anything for a casual player to get a flawless run.
this cannot be real
Are you upset "pvp stresmers" are downplaying pve?
Bungie keeps saying they "want all the focus to be on TFS right now," which is why they won't speak about what happens after. But if that's what they're going to do, then they're going to need to market the future HEAVILY after TFS launches. And this is the strategy they've been using for seasons, and people have said how much they don't like the "day of" marketing and want more news about the future.
When you talked about the core playlists, as a player who has been around for the entire lifetime of Destiny, I feel no reason to engage with those playlists anymore, so some kind of refresh would definitely be helpful in that regard
It’s wild that 0.3kds are getting ascendant due to sbmm - really defeats the purpose of a ranked mode when everyone can achieve the highest ranks
Comp has been ranked based since the rework in seraph
it sill has terrible lobby balancing@@n33ma
@@n33ma It should have stayed elo based like in Season 3. You win, you gain glory, you get matched based on glory. Done. Simple.
I think the conversation around Lightfall is a bit skewed when it comes to player numbers cause Lightfall did not sell or bring in players because of marketing. It got tons of people because of Witch Queen, that general content year and the very strong last season, Season of the Seraph. Marketing was a part of it, due to the false advertising we got with verticality and grapple, but large part of WHY it sold so well is def the year of Witch Queen.
For raids and replayability I think origin traits is a good start. We got tons of weapons with the same perks and element, but only certain dungeons and raids drop a specific Origin Trait which means you HAVE to go do the raid to get that specific trait.
PvP wise, you need to have a true ranked playlist with end of season cosmetic rewards like ship, sparrow, ghost and emblem. WoW does this with titles for the top % of PvP and Mythic+ right now so there is an incentive for good players to play comp and for new aspiring players to push for. League does this with only top X amount of players being Challenger. You could do title through seals as well with titles matching the current season and/or episode. You could even decouple seasons from expansion tiers like Blizzard does in WoW.
The latest TWID brings hope in temrs of PvP for me and I will play way more Trials and Comp with the changes than I am now. I hope more people look at it and thinks the same
16:17 I love raids and hope to see more, even though I can't play them anymore. Time and no longer having close friends.
The issue isn’t “I’m in my 30’s so I’ll never go flawless” it’s “I play games to have fun, and I now value my time more than I used to, so I would rather play something I find fun than suffer and get frustrated in my extremely limited free time.”
This is the issue pvp has now. If I am looking to spend my free time, I’m not touching pvp. It used to be somewhat okay for me, but now it seems my opponents are able to move way faster than I ever could as a player with nerve damage in my hands.
6:00 this is the main reason for me why I haven't pre-ordered TFS yet. I want to know what's gonna happen. Are they gonna sunset new stuff or nno. Are they gonna rotate old seasons inn and out. What are these new chapters gonna be like? How well will D2 stay supported. I need more info about the future before I commit to another year of Destiny.
This was lovely.. And I too hate the hunter jump..I used to hat warlocks more but i figured it it, but the hunter triple is just nightmarish.
I don't mind seasonal stuff but it would be nice if they did it in 2 parts, and double the size of each seasonal content. 7 or 10 weeks however long it is now at the beginning of the season, and then again for those last 7 or 10 weeks. Then have down time in between for grinding other things. Also the length of each weekly seasonal thing is so short, some take 15min then you're done, like how is that satisfying to hop on every week to do?
Gambit should have multiple rotating modes, 1 being normal, add champions and more stages to make it feel like a mini dungeon you're competing for. Each week having better rotating loot that is meaningful maybe even its own challenges to get maybe an exotic weapon or armor that's worth grinding for, then upgrading. Add new maps, even from the seasonal maps, like deep or defiance.
Add a horde mode to gambit. Maybe even with some new unique enemies, on a large scale map, with 4 or 6 players, limited revives kinda like the coil. Have defenses, ect.
Add a tier list to trials of Osiris, you must have your competing ranked and so many trials cards filled, maybe not flawless but still, where it's back to back games and you see your team progress. Thus taking you to a new section of the lighthouse with different rewards for winning the games.
Add new weapon types, new grenades, make class items worth while by having abilities like D1, things that feel unique and make old content obsolete or even repayable to aquire.
Add a daily mission to get materials on different planets like lost sectors but to get maybe super flashy shaders or ornaments.
Revisit old unused guns and see if they need some tlc.
Sadly casual pvp in any game is dead if it exist it slowly killed off by streamers and not intentionally but when you’re are bombarded with meta this meta that how to do better it prevents the casual mindset and competition is grinded into the human nature so its such hard to keep it causual my perfect example is The Finals that game just became a sweat fest hyper focused on skill,
One of the main challenges of onboarding new players is the sheer amount of people that simply don’t read or engage with an interface outside of being explicitly guided through it.
Judging by the recent success of baldur's gate 3 and helldivers 2, the best way for destiny ro take a step forward is to actually allow for the direction of the story to be lead by the community. That isn't to say that they should let us make the overarching decisions in the story, but (like in helldivers) allow for succeeding or failing community events that actually affect and create ripples in the narrative that turn into waves later on. Especially with tfs now being in direct release competition with shadow of the erdtree, they need to come out swinging with actual delivery on what we the community have been asking for for years and a genuine change in how they keep us involved and invested. I myself have much more interest in helldivers 2 now simply because of how that community failed the automaton event. I feel like playing that game and giving effort there because I know I can actually make a difference in how the game unfolds. In short, destiny has been a masterclass of how much can a game stay effectively the same while charging full game prices for simple sandbox changes and it just doesn't fool anyone anymore.
I think that the game will need to make another Beyond Light style overhaul. I have no idea why Bungie started working on another game while leaving Destiny 2 in this state.
Y1D1 player, and I remember when Bungie broke away from Activision, and thinking "YES! Now the real Destiny is coming!" But then nothing. It never really became what I thought it would. I think I was more enjoying the theories of what was coming, rather than the actual content - like what the darkness was, what the pyramids were, what would happen when they reached the traveller. And the actual story never hit as hard as the theories. Then I realized the player base hyped up Destiny more than the writers/devs.
37:20 If this was the case, I personally wouldn’t touch PvP. I have several friends who it would be well worth to never have to touch PvP of if I could get it at a lower drop chance. That being said, if the core mode was more fun (looking forward to the changes!) and felt surmountable then I like the idea more.
Honestly the sunset/new weapon rolls bs seems dumb. Crafting weapons felt like the thing that really kept me in during witch queen, and even more when light 3.0 came in. You want raids and dungeons to stay interesting? Make more things related to crafting, put more emphasis on what you can do with spoils of conquest as a resource. Idk this entire loot system feels clunky and the way they just keep removing and adding systems and things makes the game feel like a ship of theseus. Instead of making smart uses for all of these things it ia just jamming a bunch of crap into the game, then removing it. Sunsetting locations and old story means I cant go back or have newer people come in, and buying shit like the seasonal content feels pointless as it is just ephemeral. That doesnt feel good tbh
What other pvp games do to is just have a number for comp that keeps going up. A cap on 10k is silly for d2 pvp, thanks you guys should do a weekly podcast
Also to the guy who was like "those people who stop trying that effect muh pvp numbers need to be pushed into trying"
No, that is not always how it works bro. As someone who was pushed into pvp shooters since halo 1, I never did well no matter how much I pushed and literally resigned myself to the party modes just to play with friends. Dragging down your team because you do not have the competitive reflexes so you always result in a trade at best isnt fun, especially when that is how it feels for years. I would rather feel somewhat effective as a space wizard then be demoralized because I drag down my team no matter how hard I try. Fuck forcing us PvE players to integrate into PvP. I started this game at D1 as a pve player, if I wanted to play PvP shooters I would play Paladins, Halo MCC, and Overwatch like most of my friends pester me into doing.
A 3v3v3 elimination trails...or like play off 2v2 bracket or something like that
ill hop on for the superblack then wait for the updates to stop to come back restarting grinds everytime and have to chase armor stats for every activity turned me off after ketchcrash
I've had this idea for the last year for a new game mode. We saw something kind of like it in Season of the Deep but also not quite.
The idea is basically taking Zombies from CoD but making it more Destiny like. Here's the full idea.
Team of 3 loads into the activity. They're stripped of their gear but keeps their subclass abilities and given white tier guns. Start off against low rank and file enemies, get engrams that after a round you are able to decode them in a screen that comes up. Keep what you want, toss into a pile for your teammates to choose what they want (armor changes to the armor type for each class once you choose it. Throughout the time you unlock new rooms you can go into and expand outwards what/where you can go and find some helpful items and power-ups and such.
Gear also ranks up over time. So you'll get white gear at the star, then green, blue, purple and if you're going for the harder difficulties, you can get exotics. Enemies will also go up in light level during this and can have points where you get transported into a boss room then transported back to the main location when the boss is beaten.
Now this here is an idea from Borderlands 3. You can throw loot you want to keep (even if you lose) into a chest that then transmats out after you put stuff in it. That stuff you get to keep. So get an exotic armor piece with a roll you want? Can keep it to see if it helps you get to the end and put it in a chest to keep afterwards, or you can throw it in one of the transmat chests immediately when you see one if you don't trust your chances of actually completing the run.
The NPCs I would want for this would be Eido, Drifter and Spider. Eido wants to watch some research happen on Guardians and other races/species in the galaxy, Drifter is supplying the baddies, and Spider is supplying the gear drops of his overstock (though Drifter may have just stolen some crates of gear) and also broadcasting these to make money off those in the galaxy willing to watch, making him compete with Shaxx in Guardian Based Combat Television.
Factions need to come for end game content not just grandmasters nightfalls or trials cause some people aren’t for that. This’ll allow for people to come back to something they loved in the starting days of destiny. Plus it’ll allow them to connect with a group instead of just the player base.
Seasons were made to hold the game over until next expansion. But now, personally, I feel expansions are holding me over from abandoning the game. And there's only one left...
Witch Queen set up the high numbers for Lightfall, people got hyped based on having such a good WQ experience and expected a similar level of story quality.
I think they need to streamline or rationalise the cost of the game, all the old content that is separated, when a new player keeps getting paywalled (i remember i could play the playlist for a specific strike but not the weekly nightfall because it was part of a content package i didn’t own at the time yet it was the thing i was being told to do as part of a quest ie do a nightfall and couldn’t that week) it’s very bitty and not new player friendly in that way.
Maybe they could just group more previous content together, just a few packages and content over for eg 2 years old could be just free. i get they need to sell the content, it just needs to be more comprehensible and less fractured.
they really did well with the new in game matchmaking system, that sort of innovation to quality of life can make a huge difference to accessing or overcoming what can be quite a big step into more complex or high end content. so props to the dev team for the work on that i think that sort of qol addition, given the age of the game, you notice where it has fallen behind other games just because of how long it has been around, i think they can get a lot of mileage out of work on better menus and UI etc overall to help new players make sense of the game.
You know what would be amazing? If at the end of dungeon/raids, we could see a report that showed the damage dealt to each individual boss (not just final boss).
We will wait and see , i cant say for sure but i dont think that a game as big as D2 will just "die" most content creators moved to Helldivers 2 but im sure that this game will soon die cuz its not "big" enough on content. So we shall see Thans for the good video tho appreciated
A death of a thousand cuts.
Public events shoulda worked like hell divers map lmao that game really opened up my eyes to how a community rpg coulda been like
They didn't dump abuncha money into it just to drop it. Don't even have to watch the video to tell you this shit.
At this point let it end in final shape. Wish destiny 3 was a thing. No one wants more D2 recycled garbage
I see 2 major issues, keeping the veterans happy and on boarding new players. Unfortunately the discourse in the community since LF has created a very toxic veteran player base which has created a very crappy environment for new lights to get into the game because we have gatekeeped the endgame. Also the story absolutely matters and they need to figure out a better way to hook everyone that missed the Red War and Forsaken.
Still watching so forgive me if this is answered in the video. Random thought about new systems here from someone who's never played much pvp in Destiny (despite how much pvp D2 content I enjoy), but learned a lot about a different game playing on an open world pvp server. Do you guys think it would be fun and interesting to have an optional open world pvp mode, or is a game like Destiny just not really set up for success with that? Like, one of the reasons I left that pvp server was because of guilds that would roll up with forty people in a group and just obliterate everyone, and the community answer was "go get forty people yourself and stop complaining or get off the server." But before that, when it was a self-balancing community and there was more cooperation among guilds, it was really fun. If there's a way to account for and minimize the kind of imbalance that can lead to toxicity, would it be fun? Or is that just a terrible idea that would kill the community?
I think Bungie need to do expansions every two years and make them ultra cinematic and massive and brand new planets etc. and do episodes and dungeons inbetween. Also for new players, I think after they beat the missions to get you started you should get some (if not all) ritual weapons for free. You’d get a great hc like malediction and a scout like night watch etc then you’d have null composure and felwintsrs and then ascendancy rocket launcher etc etc. then it should push you into strikes/crucible and then dungeoons and raids etc
For me, I would say ways to get your players to stick around and new players to enjoy the game more is this. Lower the cost of entry for new players as ~$300-~$500 is far too high a price, revert a lot of the nerfs they have done to PvE especially the ones that were because of PvP (looking at you Weavewalk, Threaded Specter, Young Ahakmara's Spine), lower cooldowns in PvE by a lot as well as buff weapons to actually do good damage.
I know this is mainly towards PvE, but PvE is a big part of the game (literally considering the amount of content) and I could care less if Crucible ends up becoming like Conclave in Warframe. I feel there should not be a meta, there should not be extreme restrictions to builds, and overall the game should just let people have fun with what they enjoy.
One last thing, I actually like Lightfall as a whole. The seasons have been getting worse overtime in my opinion, but the main dlc was a lot of fun to me and the Legend Campaign was far more balanced than Witchqueen was.
A lot of loot from what I have seen needs to be rewarded from quest/bounties. Ive been playing with 3 new lights and 1 level 5 guardian. Loot is a big reason why they play besides amazing cinematics and powers.
Its a fight between pvp balance, and solo story. Most people arnt plying the story as a fireteam and mkst people are in the crucible or doing gambit. The other side is people gearing for raids and want experienced folk, unwilling to teach. Those left on the side just get burnt out an only a small percent return and see FOMO in effect.
Three things:
1. The Night Watch roll you now get from the New Light campaign is no longer Overflow/EP.
2. It's very gratifying to hear someone finally say "Bungie really shot themselves in the foot by constantly advertising TFS as the end of a saga without really giving us anything to look forward to post-TFS," when I've been saying that since pre-layoffs.
3. I imagine new players are more likely to play the most recent campaign and THEN go back and play the pre-existing campaigns (main reason is the most recent is usually the one that's the freshest in their mind/the most pushed outside of the community to get them to play).
Its weird. The player pool is sweaty af but i am having a blast trying to get gud and switching classes around.
Also i love these podcast style vids.
As someone who recently redownloaded Destiny to see how things were going, my biggest issues are that I don’t know what I’m supposed to do, and which guns are good.
That can be really confusing for new players!
@@PattycakesGamingI really can’t think of any other games with this issue. Like, is the gun I’m using weak or do I just suck.
I wish I was in on this conversation. I’m a 20k plus hour player. I have some hard feelings on what y’all meant by “campaign” being synonymous with Lightfall. Most of us are looking at story telling with the activities revolving around that. Lightfall IS the content. It’s not just the campaign. When the other shit is stale, the game will fall off hard when the new norm sucks.
I have a suggestion for the whole new light experience situation and the "refreshing" of content. Its gonna be a massive undertaking but unvault everything in the DVC, import everything from D1 into D2 that hasnt already been moved and combine the two games into one giant experience and lastly, bring back every previous seasons activities in their entirety and keep them out in perpetuity.
Another QoL thing they could do is change the way collections works and allow for players to pull any weapon, regardless of if it was random or not. They already have curated rolls as random drops, rolls that are designed by them to be the default so make that be the one that gets pulled. Same goes for armor, you can already buy static armor rolls, make those the default and allow anyone to pull a piece of armor they have collected in the past, regardless of it being "originally" a random roll.
Or
Overhaul the entire weapon system to be like Warframes. Every weapon has set stats and those can be changed with various mods which allows for infinite customization. Bungie can even use the weapon crafting menu to allow us to modify our own weapons and make it to where you only need ONE copy of the weapon. This goes back to my point about the static pulls from collections. They could even have it to where you can pull a perkless, unleveled weapon from collections and take it to the crafting bench to modify it with whatever perks you want on it and never have a need for random rolled items ever again and to change the perks on it resets its level back to zero(exactly like putting a polarity on a Warframe item) because as you admitted and as people have been pointing out for years, they arent having fun doing the activities. Theyre doing it for the random rolls on items.
All of these things are the LEAST they could do if they're abandoning the game after this year and leaving nothing for the future. This will leave the game in a fully complete state just like D1 is.
To add to my very first point, change the new player experience to give them an option after creating their character if they want to begin from the very beginning in the D1 intro we got on D1Y1 or the option to start from the D2 intro and give these players "rememberance" type quests to go back and experience the D1 option after they finish the full D2 campaign which would start at the Red War and stop at Beyond Light or until they're fully current whichever flows better. Either way this is going to add a ton of content and playtime for newer players so they will effectively never run out of stuff to do or will always be doing something.
And for the whole, "nothing is explained to new players/there are no tutorials for every system in the game." There are. They go though with on screen pop ups that don't go away until you comply with them or you turn them off in the settings(something new players won't know about) so the game literally forces you to do something one time at the minimum. That whole, "what should I invest in/what is good" is entirely subjective to every individual and if a new player asks that they're going to be overwhelmed with thousands of different replies by older players who have already found something g that works for them and are going to do one of two things, 1) quit due to the amount of options and conflicting opinions or 2) listen to someone and follow them until they become more experienced and find their own thing that does it for them. This is exactly why I said what I said in my section about starting from the very beginning(intro to D1) because back then we didn't have older players to guide us along the way or telling us what was the "meta." We as older players or even D1Y1 and open beta(myself included) players, forged our own way through the game and too many influencers tend to forget that. It is extremely important from the very beginning to understand that the "meta" and "godrolls" mean something different to everyone and the only way to learn that is to NOT have someone outright tell you since just because they understand why does not mean a new player will.
As for the whole, "the game literally doesn't tell you to get the artifact" it doesn't have to because the game forces you to do the first mission of the new season(whether you want to or not) and gives it to you as a reward. So that person who claimed to have been playing for 8mths and hasn't gotten it was lying. Anyone who has been playing since Beyond Light will know this because that's when they started forcing you do get it that early in the season because it's that important.
@@vjfxtheory honestly who cares if they make money off it, they won't be the ones managing the game anymore. And to add to that, they can suck nuts. Hopefully their horrendous mismanagement of Destiny will follow them forever. People fell in love with them because they released individual games over the course of two decades and the first time they release a game they have to keep up with it goes badly and I genuinely hope that it leaves a bad taste in all of their fanboys' mouths. So bad that those fanboys don't follow them afterwards and they go out of business.
Adept PvP loot should be better in PvP than in PVE. And Adept PVE loot should be better in PVE than PvP. Making adept do better in opposite areas is toxic and forcing people to play a way they do not want to play is the entire reason Bungie is seeing so much burn out.
39:45 35 y/o here. I'm primarily a pve player, I play a decent amount of pvp mostly to try and get some valuable weapons for both pvp/e.
While I can do well and even great in normal pvp, or in competitive. I get obliterated 7/10 times in Trials. I can be a valuable member of the team by not dying and team shooting but if it comes to the point where there isn't a good player on the team that can combat some oppressive pvp players, it's a wash.
People our age do not have the time to bang our head against the wall to try and improve to the point to be competitive in this game mode. You may have time to devote to playing trials 6-7 hours a day during the weekend, that's great btw no shade. But that doesn't mean others simply do.
Additionally you have skill in the game that was gradually built over time, you evolved with the game. You had even and paced stepping stones to get to the pinnacle. People jumping in now have to climb Everest to get to that point. Possible? Yes. Probable. Not really.
I have to add. If you are not a great player in trials you catch shit from both teams. In fact you can get some really awful things said to you by your team mates if you get picked first. They're just words, sure but it's still a barrier to try again. Then you get bagged by the other team after going 0-5, this normally doesn't effect me but when I'm catching shit from everyone else in the match I choose to put pvp down.
Honestly I think bungie should take a page out of warframe book.
Since Bungie is creatively bankrupt, they will come up with a VERY stupid cliffhanger and hope it carries people over. Destiny will eventually fade away, instead of end with a bang. (Let’s be fair, the time to end it with a bang is well behind us)
They had more hype and goodwill than ever and they completely squandered it over the course of one year with the slap in the face that was Lightfall, continued lack of PvP content, insane cash grabbing and treatment of their own staff. I just do not give a fuck. It would take the largest turn around miracle in the industry to make me spend money on Destiny ever again.
Congrats, Clyde!
My straightforward answer is that Destiny 2 should be allowed to end or become complete. But the game is a SERVICE so I know that's not allowed to happen, it can't die, it has to be on life support for forever.
So given that, if the game is not allowed to end, I think that EVERY few years or so Destiny needs to change and refreshed so significantly that it's basically a new game/Destiny 3.
It can stay as Destiny 2, but it has to have hard resets. I think people had no idea what they were cheering for when Sunsetting was "sun-set." It was a mistake. The game needs these hard resets. IMO we need actual SEASONS, in the same way Diablo handles it - You have 2 PVE 'Servers' Non-Season where you have all your loot and Season servers where you start with nothing, regrind weapons, Raid Races and Dungeon races and whatnot can start fresh again with a brand new meta with fresh gear. And when the season ends, all your gear rolls over into the Non-Season, you never lose anything, there's just a separate server that doesn't have all the baggage of legacy gear. Seasons also onboard NEW PLAYERS easier, they don't have to deal with so much legacy baggage.
And then there's PVP, it HAS to become aspirational like Counterstrike or something, where growing in skill will make you play PVP for years to come. Great base gameplay and incredible support for competition will make people stay.
The suggestion that at every season everyone loses their weapons and gear would genuinely kill most of Destiny's playerbase. I genuinely don't know why you think resetting everything that a player works for would be a good idea. Especially since it isn't a good idea in Diablo 4 or three and those games are piss easy and could be beaten by lobotomies.
most of my friends who I convinced to play destiny didn't even get past the intro mission
The game has already lost most of its original players. At guardian con last year nearly everyone you met would admit they were disappointed in quality and hadn't played in months. Only those dependent upon income and Bungie simps play on a regular basis. Those still left will likely still move on because they will continue to under deliver to keep the train rolling, which is the live service model plan they admitted to and have been very much sticking to under delivery. That only lasts so long before you realize that everything is mediocre. Just like any other industry, people stay for quality. They have not been producing that. Add to that the awful maintenance and server issues. That is the main issue among others.
Before I watch the video, I wanted to answer your prompt of what would keep me playing. I mainly play PvP so, I'm sorry to the PvE folks.
1. Update from Tiger engine. I don't care if it takes 6 months or longer. Update us to an engine that at minimum actually splits the sandboxes. I think this change would help retain players for another five or so years. No more complaints of pvp getting someone's favorite build nerfed.
2. Update servers. The servers are horrendous (in PvP especially).
3. More frequent balance passes. We don't like waiting 3 months to multiple years for changes we all know would be beneficial.
4. 6th class that allows us to use harmonic mods with kinetic weapons.
5. I know episodes are supposed to be a thing but my expectations for them are incredibly low. I don't know how they keep the story moving forward.
I love that you think an engine migration would take 6 months lol
My brother in Christ shifting the entirety of destiny two over to another engine would take fucking years
Hell probably a damn decade if Bungie were to go full throttle and throw their entire studio at doing that. Goddamn that's arrogant.
Before this continues to turn into people reading my first point and commenting about how I don't know anything about game dev, understand that I don't know anything about game dev. The 6 month time frame, is not arrogance, it's not me wanting unreasonable or unrealistic expectations. I just don't know how long it would take. Get over yourself. I'll edit it to 6 months or longer for those of you who sees that part of the post and sees red.
OK so FLOP = did NOT sell...Cyberpunk sold, a lot, it never flopped. Reviewed badly on consoles it did
The most controversial thing said in this video was that "D1 was left in a good state". It was sticky grenade hell!
As a new player I started a week ago it’s extremely confusing and damn frustrating at times simplifying this would be great. Also I wish all of the story was playable
The game has always had a lot of problems, and Bungie is always improving parts of it and adding new functionality, but at the same time adding a lot of problems.
But most players do their best to live with and ignore the problems cause they like the game. So if the story disappoints, a huge part of the community has no reason to ignore the problems anymore.
So any good will the game had flew out of the window and the people who liked the story before join the complainers who complain for other reasons, like PvP balance, bugs, performance, etc.