"Destiny 2's Biggest Season/Story Issue MUST be Addressed..." | Aztecross Reacts
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Today we have a reaction to a video I came from My Name is Byf, called "Destiny 2's Biggest Season/Story Issue MUST be addressed before Final Shape Releases." As we approach Into the Light and The Final Shape, we need to discuss how Bungie can salvage a questionable narrative that has left the community scratching their heads over the past year.
#destiny2 #season23 #bungie
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When they killed Amanda I wasn't even sad, I was just annoyed, and like
"Why would they do that? There's no reason she should have been there anyway. Everyone else can respawn"
feel like after we complete the raid we’re gonna get a cutscene of more ghost being released and we’ll find her at the tower
@@Imnglbro well to quote DBZ Abridged: "we've won, but at what cost!?"
*she respawns*
"oh, right, no cost!"
It's because at wraps up her relationship thing with crow.
It felt slapped on. I was like, oh ok she's dead now.
Because she's useless at the tower and didn't want to pay the voice actor.
"She died in a lost sector....in the edz" lmfao. Never thought about like this before.
On level for that matter😂😂😂
Skill issue
AT LEVEL TOO! 🤣
Haha
She got locked in a room that exploded it wasn't a normal lost sector. Cut the ship lady some slack
Ya'll remember Deep Sight from Witch Queen? The darkness ability that allows us to peer into the past simply by using an object? Yea apparently even Bungie forgot about it. The entirety of Season of the Deep could literally be skipped if we grab and old as artifact on the Witness's ship to see his origins. Kinda goes to show how rushed this year's story telling was.
Yea but how else could they make us spend weeks with a fucking fish, just for it to tell us to go somewhere else for answers? Truly a Bungie moment.
Holy shit….I forgot about that too.
Maybe because deepsight was actually supposed to be strand…
Shows that Bungie don't know how to future plan a narrative driven game.
@@RebelOfTheNorm242 I read this as deepshit lmao! I need to get some sleep 😂
No, you don't understand, we NEEDED to have Sloane talk at us about her trauma and PTSD because that's all bungie current writers know how to do.
The veil is a floppy disc holding the data that makes up the universe and the traveler is like the computer cursor that lets you click on and access the data. The wittness wants to format the floppy disc and download minecraft. Trying to access the floppy disc without the traveler would be like trying to click a tiny pixel on a tablet with your finger and accidentally opening up orange youtube.
Probably the best explanation I've heard.
I’m actually impressed at how well you summarized this
They told us in D1 "I DONT HAVE TIME TO EXPLAIN WHAT I DONT HAVE TIME TO EXPLAIN"
Literally a decade ago bruh
@@michaela8426 sadly still holds up tho
What was she supposed to say? I'm trapped in a time loop where I've watched an evil version of you murder all of your friends and allies while I was powerless to stop you, and now I'm instigating small changes in the timeline to get a different outcome?
You didn't even quote it correctly 😂😂
@@mshaman86Something is better than…nothing. Right?
I just realized Osiris is using strand with sunbracers
Oh nah bro fell off he’s resorting to new light tactics
Bro doesn’t even know what his exotic does 😂😂😂😂
Hey I used to do the same thing sometimes you just forget to swap everything. Also what would you use on warlock I'd use eye of another to get my grapple faster
Sometimes I use exotics just for the looks
@@nigguin I feel that sometimes it’s just to do a bounty ya know
I use swarmers with strand tho there’s definitely others that can work with it but I think swarmers can really enriched strand especially with the right aspects and fragments
@@DY-ch4ws facts but I always try to make the drip have function too
To me nothing is better than being op and looking op
I get so many best dressed awards when I want the playmaker
Also that pfp is awesome
Rainbow cat
SHOW, DON'T TELL.
There are waaay too many loose ends to storylines.
Too many times I've openly said to myself 'why am I doing this again?'
It's ok to tell if it's done right. The problem is it's NOT being done right.
When the lightfall predownload for destiny was up and the servers where down we had people leaking the "2" cutscenes with the witness and the traveller. I saw both of them and thought "huh the first one must be at the start of the first mission and the second one at the end of the first mission" It couldnt have been even further appart.
Empty pyramids. Empty cities. Lame big bad boss. This narrative already failed. Destiny's story is so bad.
The only scenario where I see Destiny 2 being made whole narrative wise ever again is when Marathon bombs and Bungie has no choice but to make content for Destiny 2 again outside of "stories"
Aside that I don't see them having any incentive to add back sunset campaigns
Kinda what I was thinking.
They'll keep D2 on the back burner/lifesupport just in case things go south while branching out and having bad PR.
Why does everyone think bungie is going to practically abandon Destiny for marathon. Destiny is by far their biggest money maker and to gamble basically their entire company on a new ip and genre seems absolutely insane they are still going to prioritize destiny. If marathon establishes itself as a big gainer we could see that but until then bungie will have destiny lining their pockets it’d be illogical to do anything else
Sony is going to own D2 after this last disappointing DLC is released. So you can stop dreaming
@@oNextqthe fact that marathon, a game launching in 2025, is getting dedicated servers, while destiny, the cash cow as you said, still gets connection errors…shows where the priority is.
Watch the marathon reveal trailer again and really listen to what’s said.
@@RebelOfTheNorm242 I’m not saying that they don’t want to phase out destiny and move to marathon theyd just be stupid to put themselves all in on something entirely unproven when they have a proven cash cow. Destiny will be their priority until marathon proves itself otherwise
If bloat & install size are a problem: have a seperate standalone campaign install option 'Destiny 2 Recap' or Destiny 2 Legacy' that runs from Red War till Season of the Wish, they could even be split up into 2 or 3 parts - but condense the story, missions & cutscenes down, catching you up, maybe grab some exotics through quests along the way and allowing you then uninstall the sunset content, ready to go into Final Shape.
What makes it so upsetting is that they have various mechanisms they could have used to manage install size. For one, when you install the game, select your language. There are ways and means of doing these things. But it seems the true reason, bungie doesn't want to balance old content, and doesn't want to allocate resources to it. Simple as.
I agree with everything you said, but honestly it's not what I want.
The biggest problem with Destiny is you have to no-life it or it's miserable. Everything else here is just a by product of that.
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Look at how they make us miserable-
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Repetitive excess grind- right now you're honestly doing the same seasonal activity, raids, and dungeons over and over. In my own experience it takes 50-100 runs of things to get the key item that is meta.
Petty events- Then they add 1 pretty thing for event and ask you to play for hundreds of hours. That's all destiny is.
Lack of compact engaging story- There's no story, no campaign after the drop. People just don't like that stuff. If you did a raid 3 times and were guaranteed and exotic, it's worth it.
Greed- If you repeat things 80 times and nothing drops you hate it and are glad to see the Bungie layoffs, execs showing all they care about is greed, and that the youtubers are nervous because they are leeching off the success to make their comfortable living. To them it's about making you on and trying to sell you things, not about your experience.
If they just treated it like a game, instead of a money machine by taking money from no-lifers and feed the youtube leeches maybe it would be worth getting into again.
You have no clues. Game companies doesnt catter to hardcore player.
They want casuals that dont complain,that will drop 35bucks for a skin then log off and come back next week.
Thats why difficulty is not there (real difficulty, not mindless beefy ennemies that 1shot)
Thats why every thing is the recycled, cause casual dont even realize, they just shoot stuff and are happy.
I agree for the mindless grind and the 1 pretty cosmetic locked behind hours of the same activities on a loop bait tho.
I dont think getting a guarantee raid exotic would help the story. As Byf said, with season getting removed each year you loose 80% of Destiny story with it, like wtf? And even if it was staying, with the way its done it would take months for players to catch up.
Months of: Go to the helm - talk to an hologram - do the season activity - go back to the helm - talk to an hologram - talk to an other hologram - redo all in a loop till season end
You dont have to nolife it, theres no content in it? What would someone do? The same 10 strikes over and over? The same 5 raids? All this to get a weapon that does 100 damage more? To get the new gun that has voltshot when you have a bazillion gun with all the rainbow color of explosions that can clear an entire room in a shot ? This is so stupid... All that because they removed our beloved weapons that everyone used because everyone loved them.
They need to either bring everything back since day one Destiny2 or move on to Destiny3 with a new story. @@tokdo4960
I don't even think it's the bloat or install size because what the game would double at most? And if it doubled it would still be smaller than war zone probably lol they could do it and they could have done it but they didn't.
20:31 Even ***MYNAMEISBYF HIMSELF AKA THE LORE GUY*** didnt knew what the veil was when LF dropped, he even said: "im the Lore Daddy and i dont know what the veil is" 😂😂😂
i find "what is the veil" to be overused. In my opinion a little mystery hasn't hurt anyone right? look at Yoda and it's race it's all a mystery for a reason. I don't understand the NEED to know everything at an instance. That is my personal opinion. What if the Witness is going to tell us about the veil and it's use in final shape? All i am saying sometimes we need to just take a step back and think does it need to be said or known now?
@@impeterbitorlunaelmao! i hit a soft spot didn't I. you do you i have an opinion that if we just sat back and let bungie stir there pot something good could of happened. but hey it's my opinion and you have your own so... i guess i hope final shape is going to be good DLC for you and you enjoy it :D
Nobody cares anyways, they're wrong. The biggest problem with Destiny is you have to no-life it or it's miserable. Everything else they say is just a by product of that.
@@tokdo4960 i do agree with that!
@@petepoiu The level of scrutiny the veil came under is also bizarre considering the number of similar macguffins we've had in Destiny so far. The black heart, the veiled statues which gave Eris Stasis, the Ziggurat, Deepsight, Egregore, even the traveller to some extent, have not been explained in much more detail than the veil was in Lightfall. Yet here we are, a year later and still complaining about not being spoon fed the lore. The story explains that it's a source of immense paracausal power, the Witness wants to connect it to the traveller with the radial mast so they can go inside and do final-shapey-things. That was kind of enough for me, I quite liked that I was on the same page as the characters in game and could unveil the mystery alongside Asher and Osiris.
My #1 beef with bungie has been the removed content,the base game, entire planets and expansion storylines completely deleted, i have a hard time finding another game that removed the same amount of content that players have paid for.
This
And another thing that should upset you is that there’s a huge number of players who are okay with this, which then enables Bungie to continue to do it.
@@PraiseTheGreatVoidBecause it happened one time within the 10 years of destiny’s life, and it was 4 years ago, and they said they would never do it again. If they do it again. Be mad. If they don’t. Shut up bro. That line is so overused and overplayed. You know there’s genuinely nothing for you to legitimately complain about when you’re using a 4 year old talking point of something acting like it’s current over something that will never happen again.
@@nodefiance9178 I’d agree with you except that it continues to happen, literally every single season gets taken out of the game as soon as a new DLC drops, the only thing left of them is a short cutscene that gets added to that story line Bungie added for context for the and returning players. So keep dick riding Bungie if you want but them making content expendable is crazy.
@@nodefiance9178no, it happens every expansion with the loss of the four previous seasons. the big sunsetting of Red War/Forsaken was just the tip of the iceberg. don't try to be a bungie apologist ass kisser.
That might be the least “aztecross” shirt I’ve ever seen. Where’s the floral, where’s the blinding colors, wheres the PIZZAZ??
his ass is mine, BACK OFF.
Laundry day..
Bro is mega glazing rn. “Aztecross plz notice meeeee”
His button up game is lacking today 😔
the boogaloo was canceled that day lol
I had to look up Byf to understand what the story was about when I started playing Destiny again. And I hated it that I had to watch a UA-cam video about instead of playing it for myself. But in the end it's good for Byf and his channel😂
Seconded
I could say the same about ff14. But I don't wanna go learn about the lore of that mmo. 😂
@@Blackronin357 stop the subject we were talking about is Destiny 2 not Final Fantasy XIV
seems like you just dont have good comprehension skills you will still be struggling
It is good for Byf and his channel, it's just sad that he's basically the archivist of the game, vs the game itself being fully and completely replayable from beginning to end so that players, new AND old, can relive parts of it to follow. Byf loves it, so okay fine, he's doing what he loves, but it shouldn't be his responsibility to do Bungie's job better than Bungie is.
The only time people were sad about Amanda’s passing was when Zavala was giving his monologue since that happened after the news of Lance’s death.
Straight up I felt nothing about Amanda dying but then knowing it was some of Lance's last work I actually felt bad and that wasn't because of the game.
They never got rid of warmind cells, they reskinned them green and made you buy them again as "tangles". Part of that lightfall DLC that launched conveniently after the retcon, I mean season of seraph lol.
Bro never fails to look scrumptious
Delectable, some could say.
Appetizing even
Favorably immaculate 😋
Some may say he looks flavorsome
Submissive and breedable honestly
27:49 what's crazy is at the start of the lightfall showcase they had an inkblot cutscene that did exactly this. Why isn't that cutscene in the damn game??
that cutscene is in the game, new lights see it when they start
@Esga7 wait really? is it for fresh accounts only? When I made a new character recently I didn't see that, but still got all the other new light crap
Bring back the Sundial and let us go back in time to view snippets of past seasonal events. idc how they do it but for me this this would be the best way to engage the players who dont know whats going
I think the sundial only works on mercury specifically, but I would love to replay that season. Just imagine if we could pull out as many Saints as we can from the vex simulations through the sundial and have an entire first line of them when the big fight in the final shape comes 😂
How are you all on a post about how bad the narrative has been to bring up an idea that would further damage the narrative. Is this someone from the Bungie Narrative team?!?!???!?! Blink 10 times rapidly if you aren't
been playing Destiny for 10 years, havent missed a single season since Worthy, been in tune with the story this whole time and I still have no clue what the Veil is
I feel like Byf spent the first 10 minutes talking about how the seasons sucked, but then tried to spend the next 20 saying they’re of critical importance for the context.
I’m just saying, nobody will willingly go back and play this year’s seasonal content. Most of it adds absolutely nothing.
It’s the Darkness equivalent of the Traveler. This is said several times in Veil Containment, shown in the Witness’ origin cutscene(that can still be seen in-game on the timeline and will still be available when Final Shape comes out) and is implied in Lightfall when Ghost says it’s like the Traveler.
Ahsa also said that the Traveler and Veil are two halves of a whole that were separated by a schism but reunited in Lightfall due to the link made by the Witness. Ahsa refers to the Unveiling lore book, where the Gardener, who represents the Light and Traveler, and Winnower, who represents the Darkness and Veil(The Witness’ origin cutscene even says that the Witness’ people wanted a Winnower just before they found the Veil) came into conflict over the state of existence and how it should be handled.
The Radial Mast is also just a fancy word for a canister of Light. It just carried Light that the Witness and Calus were going to use to create the link between the Traveler and Veil. The link requires the Veil to be exposed to the Traveler’s Light, which the Witness used our Ghost to do instead once the Radial Mast was destroyed.
Well said. 😂😂😂
Halo 4, 5, and infinity suffered with this as well. story got fragmented due to story beats happening outside in other media being included in the games so you were left wondering what was going on in cases...
That's a great example. From The Didact, to Jul Mdama, to Cortana and now the Banished and the Endless? Halo has keeps on fumbling it's story and Antagonist. Destiny just keeps on failing to be consistent. You get high highs like Forsaken and Witchqueen and mid/lows like Beyond Light, Shadowkeep and Light fall.
I still cannot get passed what the hell they did with Cortana. Like from someone playing Halo since Xbox, that is, the _original_ Xbox, I felt like this off-screen death was so... I can't even say disrespectful. I literally felt like I was living a dream or in a world in which everyone else around me has no idea or clue who this Cortana character even was. Like as if anyone who grew up playing og Bungie Halo had just vanished and I was the last one left. I felt lapped by the next generation, by kids, who never even played Halo 1-4, Hell, even Halo 5.
World of Warcraft suffered from this for the last 3+ expansions because they do key story beats in Novels. It's super fucking annoying when companies do this.
it's not 343's direct doing. Microsoft bullies them around and always have. Microsoft forces 343 to hire significant contract work since it's cheaper meaning they have to spend countless time training them to learn their blam engine for halo making less time for actually making the game@@ElementL09
anyone notice that they brought back the old tower but just covered in vines
The final shape is reused assets: the dlc
Even though the old tower is just next door to the current tower. It would've made more sense if Bungie just gave us access to the actual tower. Instead of making it some illusion in the traveler to remind us of the bygone days when things use to be simple.
Yes... It's explained to us in the trailer. The Pale Heart is a mailable place that reflects the people within it.
Many of the locations within will represent our story through the franchise and then get darker as we get close to The Witness where the landscape will become more twisted and dangerous
yeah tfs really just looks like itll be 90% reskinned dogshit if not straight up 1:1 copies
@@Grayves_Xsounds like a lazy excuse to reuse assets to me
Bungle needs to introduce "Tower Archives" where you sit down and watch cutscenes (old ones and new purpose made to fill in) to catch up on the story, unless they actually remake the story into short replayable content, but I doubt that.
That would have been dope
Season of Defiance did explain itself. It was supposed to tie in heavily to the story of Lightfall. Basically, the Shadow Legion were trying to split our forces so that their job on Neptune would be easier. Of course, that doesnt really make sense when one Guardian can be taking on Calus on Neptune and be back in 20 min to rescue those civilians. It also makes Amanda's death even more pointless because the Lightless were never even needed on these rescue missions, again because *we can be everywhere at once.*
And it isn't like guardians are small in number I liked it when the guardians number was ambiguous in destiny 1, because then it could give them reason for some stupid things what in destiny 2,
you have the tidbits of millions of mad hopping guardians and even if it's like most of them are useless in the story, I would still rather have the incredibly hard to kill people who can resurrect themselves on any dangerous mission because humanity is a limited resource. And guardians can come back.
how does bro get 100,000 views watching someone else talk about destiny 2 for 50 minutes this is insane folks, i just watched all49 minutes
Because the op didn’t CW Strike him 😅
Well I mean, it does bring more traction to the person that made the video. And I dare say that destiny is becoming a niche game, so the creators have to work off eachother
I don't understand why they never implemented rotation in the HELM, if only due to the fact that you get 12 months to complete the first season of an expansion, and 3 months to complete the last one (or whatever the average actually is). Just take out the oldest season, and stick in the newest one. We don't even use all the available HELM locations in a year. Hell, then you can keep selling seasons like Lost and Seraph to people for an extra nine months!
i want a scene, of crow fighting alone against the forces of the witness in the same style as when cayde fought off the scorn in forsaken only for him to be saved by cayde
32:16 don’t forget about the lore where Saint beat the ever living shit out of Savathicc for hours and made Immaru revive her hundreds of times in a Helm of Saint 14 bubble. There’s lots of melee buffs inside one of those bubbles 😳
I still don't know what the Veil is
Edit: I knew what the Veil was, I was just going along with the joke that they never explicitly told us what it was outside of the base campaign missions
It's a darkness based locus of the universes' collective memory.
Why? How? No idea.
It’s the Darkness equivalent of the Traveler. This is said several times in Veil Containment, shown in the Witness’ origin cutscene(that can still be seen in-game on the timeline and will still be available when Final Shape comes out) and is implied in Lightfall when Ghost says it’s like the Traveler.
Ahsa also said that the Traveler and Veil are two halves of a whole that were separated by a schism but reunited in Lightfall due to the link made by the Witness. Ahsa refers to the Unveiling lore book, where the Gardener, who represents the Light and Traveler, and Winnower, who represents the Darkness and Veil(The Witness’ origin cutscene even says that the Witness’ people wanted a Winnower just before they found the Veil) came into conflict over the state of existence and how it should be handled.
The Radial Mast is also just a fancy word for a canister of Light. It just carried Light that the Witness and Calus were going to use to create the link between the Traveler and Veil. The link requires the Veil to be exposed to the Traveler’s Light, which the Witness used our Ghost to do instead once the Radial Mast was destroyed.
I'd say that the radial mast was just the mcguffin to get us down there after all the neomunas had things under control....had we not stepped in good chance the witness would have been stuck he needed us and baited us there with calus.
Just like how really in the end we didn't need to know what the veil was just that we needed to keep them from it in osrises desperate attempt to show everyone he was still the same Osiris even without the light and using us as a proxy, man's was desperate for a win....it's just none of that was conveyed as well.
Imagine bungie made a campaign mission that leads into final shape called “Tread Close” and it starts off with you going into the traveler but instead of just being an easy journey, the mission makes you replay key points in time (flashback style) from the red war all the way up to actually stepping into the traveler. That would be a great way to give a recap, could tie into the story cause you’re stepping through time into an alternate reality essentially, and it would overall just make sense.
Key points in time would include entire raids, dungeons, strikes, etc. Its not just the campaign missions
@@nodefiance9178Most of the raids are irrelevant filler.
“An at level lost sector” had me rollllllingggggg😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honest to God, I didn't know Veil Containment was even there;
I've been confused ever since it was a thing on where to find it.
Another day, another upload from Reactecross
Gotta make that easy money
Cross should just keep this to the streams, hard to find a reason to watch this on cross channel when I'm not getting any kind of input until the end, just genuinely unedited
I think the way they could have fixed this was after beyond light to have all the old season vendor tables, at the start of the next year, move to the planets that the season mainly took place on, and let people reacquire the artifacts from them whenever to replay the seasonal missions
They need to use the fucking timeliness to bring everything back. You choose a timeliness to start in, gain access to what was available at the time, and play the game then, minus the balances and 3.0's, keep that. That way everyone can witness how it was before. As well as that, the season passes are the reward systems for all the timelines.
Love these vids cross, great for when I’m working and just need something to listen to
We need access to the DCV, give it to us as an optional downloadable content that will allow us to play Red war, forsaken, and seasonal missions up to final shape with set loadouts from that era. This would open more room for crucible maps, modes, and exotics for the live service.
I Would love for bungie to add the seasonal content as a rotator playlist on the main map that cycles out different seasonal arenas each week, that would let us experience the old content still and allow a better way to be able to grind old seasonal weapons and could even open up oppertunity to bring back old seasonal weapons and make them craftable and rework there perk pools a bit.
I left after Season of Arrivals and returned during Season of Defiance (2.5 years) and I can tell you that this has been such a massive pain point in my return experience.
So many cool seasonal stories just completely unavailable to play, spoiled in passing if mentioned at all. Like I wish I could play Seasons of the Chosen*, Splicer, Lost, Haunted, Plunder and Seraph because it’s seems like the most important stuff for the overarching narrative happened there and now I can’t experience it unless I want to watch someone else play.
*Chosen is in a weird place where it’s kind of playable but you have to rely on the chance of getting those Battlegrounds in Vanguard Ops and the Proving Grounds strike, however all the surrounding cutscenes that would provide greater context and flow are still gone.
I don't remember what the name of it was but the season where there was vex on the moon during shadowkeep that's when I left and I came back for lightfall with season of defiance and I had bought the DLCs because they were on sale so I had which Queen and beyond light played through those and hearing the icicle at the end of beyond light suddenly back around threw me,
Rasputin was dead that also was surprising because you've been gone that long and if you didn't keep up with everything by watching the lore content creators you're fucked there is no way to keep up because the game doesn't help you.
@@lostnemesis That was Undying but yeah I heard about all that stuff happening from the community but of course despite playing everything available in the game (except raids and dungeons) there is minimal indication any of that happened (like a few lines of dialogue and the timeline).
Wow when Byf mentioned Redwar and the removal of the original planets (io, mars..) that hit deep
Lightfall kind of felt like it was made by Temu. How cool would it be to see the ahamkara eggs we gathered, hatched and running around inside the traveler in the distance? Or somehow those help us or we help them?
I hate to make that thought process worse, because your idea sounds stellar...but honestly, you could do it about tons of things in this franchise. Osiris was confirmed to have been abducted and replaced by Savathuun, right? Why not give players a special one-off mission playing AS Saint, going into the throne world to rescue his partner? That would've been insanely cool. Why did ARCHIE not herald in a new wave of animal pets, mechanical or otherwise? Why not set pieces involving the entire Vanguard and Tower forces, where you get to deploy legendary NPCs from the series to accomplish tasks along a massive war effort, in ADDITION to fighting real time as yourself?
Destiny just feels like an ocean of missed opportunities at this point, it's depressing to think about what COULD HAVE been. And yet, that's the thing that has brought down other live services that are similar, the potential not being met.
@RedShadowOfSaturn another thought, what if these "Episodes" are going to be all these things everyone has been wondering about for years? Might be miniature campaign missions to plug lore holes that couldn't be crunched in or things that were cut for size 🤔
@@PeanutButa0407 I mean, anything is possible, I'm not going to say it can't be that, maybe it can. I have high doubts, though. Bungie has said some things about the Episodes being a kind of epilogue for the light/dark saga, like, the aftermath of the saga coming to an end, so...if I had to GUESS, wild shot here...I think once the light/dark saga comes to an end, the Episodes will have to both put a lid on that saga, but also plant enough seeds to keep players interested in future content. What NEW intergalactic/interstellar/etc. disaster/enemy is going to show up/take place that Guardians now need to rise to handle?
That's one of the reasons I have so little faith in Final Shape. It has a LOT of heavy lifting to do to both cap off 10 years AND introduce new narrative threads to take into the future. I just don't think it can do both. MAYBE it could've had Lightfall been 100x as lore heavy as it was, then Final Shape wouldn't have to do all that work. But it wasn't, Lightfall being filler really put more emphasis on what Final Shape needs to accomplish.
@RedShadowOfSaturn that same thing happened when House of Wolves was a flop and Kingsfall flipped the whole game on its head. So it's not entirely impossible. I'm highly passionate with bungie both halo and now but like you, if this falls flat, I'm boycotting bungie products.
Into The Light is 100% a 10 year recap. Idk what kind of content we're gonna get but it's going to be tied to that concept for sure
I'm huffin that same copium brother.
@BolasSpark Copium perhaps but also like... what else could it be? Next step narrative wise is going into the traveller... unless it's that (which I'm also hype for) it has to be a recap.
As a player who started in lightfall and then bought and played the previous expansions afterward, I was very confused. I thought there was some sort of a base campaign that would’ve existed from when the game first came out but that doesn’t exist and it took a bit to figure out what was going on.
not only was veil containment in such a dumb place on the map, but a lot of people didnt even finish all the quests needed to get veil containment available. some people ( like myself ) just got strand and never bothered to do the extra quests or anything. i dont have all the fragments and aspects, and i likely wont until i get my butt in gear before ( or during ) final shape and complete them.
tying critical lore behind tedious, unimportant tasks is just bad game design. forcing players to play an optional quest if they want the lore is like making someone do a shit tonne of homework between turning book pages. its not fun, not exciting. laborious.
one further point, supporting byf's opinion of seasonal sunsetting making players miss out, is that i was hospitalized during season of the splicer, and i missed all of it, not only did i miss the chance to farm some of the coolest weapons, gears, ship and themes we've had, but i dont even know the story, i never saw the cutscenes, i never played the missions, heard the in-mission dialogue.
of course i can go watch playthroughs on youtube, but i struggle to digest or absorb content when other people play it, i need to play it myself to fully understand. with this model, and my circumstances, its extremely unfair that as a no-lifer of this game i didnt get to see the content specifically because of their seasonal model. it sucks hardcore, man.
TLDR greed killed Destiny.
I wish they would of done something similar like Shadowkeep: have an event marker at the planet vendor and a portal that transports you into the veil containement to then listen to the radio messages. The fact that it's pretty much hidden is so sad.
Vow is my absolute favourite raid because of what you explained. LORE. More of it we need
20:30 “What is the radial mast” was funny
i'd love for something like a short "movie" as a intro for the final shape. idc if it'd be 30mins long before you even start playing the game , a whole lore recap is almost mandatory
My Headcanon for Season of Defiance is that since The Witness is collection of an alien species then they wanted Humans and Eliskni to do the same but it doesn't make too much sense y the Witness would want that if it did
Could have been a great potential to make a new species of enemies, but bungo dont like bcs its sponge bullet, thats what they said when asked about new race of enemies
@9:51 Cross you never fail to make me laugh 😂😂😂
I'm a fairly new player who doesn't even have access to all of the seasonal content for this year (i only have witch and wish) and even though I've played all the dlc available to me I still don't know half of what's going on. I may have been playing for 7 months at this point but the narrative is so split up and confusing that I genuinely had no idea Amanda was dead until I saw a video where it was mentioned 2 weeks ago. I also don't have the time I wish I had to look up the full story to find all of it out, but I do know that Bungie really needs to step up their game in order for new and returning players to get the much needed context for the story
25:12 My family and I actually started on Halo 3, but none of us knew the context, however we felt good and not too confused. Any questions we had intrigued us to look back at the Halo games.
I'm not saying your analogy is bad, but I'm adding to the fact that even in Bungie's days of Halo, they left questions that didn't make me feel left out of Halo's story. My brother's didn't ask questions until after we were satisfied with the story, we also kind of expected to not know everything. But when I played Destiny with my brothers during Witch Queen, they both had constant questions and were wary because they were afraid those questions would lead to an hour lore dump in the middle of experiencing the story.
It’s funny because this also was my exact experience with Halo. I played Halo 3 with my cousin at like 7 years old, and even though I didn’t fully understand the context of events, I understood the stakes of the war, the limits of the humans technology versus other species, and the (basic) motivations of each faction for fighting the war. Yet in current Halo, I literally could not explain to you the motivations of the Praetorians in H4-H5, or the motivations of the Banished in Infinite. The stories felt like they had zero stakes because they spent all of their time chasing convoluted and underdeveloped plot lines about AI or whatever, and I lost interest. STORIES HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO SUCCEED. You cannot just madlib your way through a narrative by throwing in cool plot ideas and then abandoning them to get to the next cool idea. Destiny has the most incredible science fiction lore of any game I’ve ever played, and it’s utterly wasted on the current team.
they could add the audio log shit to some sort of archive in-game and that could help with the parts of the story that will no longer be accessible
The extended timeline of wish, is also to setup the starting point of the episodes, because there will be 3 instead of 4 per year.
That analogy was where I was at when I returned for Seraph. I didn't know who most of the players were...
Bungo needs to give us a few of the seasonal missions in the timeline so people can understand what's going on
I'm sure they already have most of the old stuff covered since Final Shape is supposed to have area that encompasses everything we've done. And even before the announcement, I figured this final expansion is one last way to resell all the old content in a headlong rush to take out the witness.
Not only was veil containment off to the side. But it never had an active marker indicating it. It had a quest, once... And no direction to it. Without byf. Id never have known about it.
Hopefully part of the delay for TFS was not only to improve the story but also to improve the onboarding process and to add back that critical missing context and important story moments. They always have a cutscene for each new expansion to start off the year explaining the previous years events, it should be the same for lightfall. Hopefully, like the starcraft analog, they've already made the decision to include introductory missions from critical plot points in previous expansions to help facilitate a better understanding of whats happening in TFS. Maybe theyll even include critical cutscenes in the timeline through the director.
one thing that would remedy most of the problems about past content would be to allow players to redownload a (expansion/dlc) and play that content solo or with friends that also have downloaded the content. they would only get sunset weapons, glimmer and cores to keep the economy solid but it would allow players to replay those events, re-learn the content and the story from all the way back. they are selling all the old dlc in big bundle packages already so why not allow us to choose to download what we want to play and what we want to keep to play.
The servers would not be able to handle the matchmaking of every single activity destiny has launched but a local play where players will be able to host theyre own activity would be better than not having the option at all.
Yes, but that would need effort, and bungie does not have that.
Problem that may come up with The Final Shape is that inside the portal we are meant to be getting things and places that remind us of things we have done in the game and it’s going to be different for everyone depending on how much you have done, so imagine being new? What will it look like? Will it have the same impact? Or what if you watch someone else play and have questions “what’s that?” Or “why is that important?” Like “sorry you had to be there because that’s gone now”
I didn't even know the veil containment thing was there
playing destiny is less like jumping into Halo 3 and more like jumping into Halo 5 as your first halo game. not only are you missing so much narrative knowledge, but your wondering why everyone seems to hate the game despite it being fun
Legit just described my halo 5 experience
I think that the event we get starting in April, Into the Light, is going to be what springboards the story for all the new players going into Final Shape. It's no doubt why they keep advertising it as a "Free for Everyone" event.
oh boi i cant wait to see what content Cross is reacting to tomorrow... :D
Damn, that Heart of the Praxic fire looks sooooo good at the 3:40 mark. I hope it comes back. Also, if you took a shot of alcohol everything time Biff said "whilst", you'd be too drunk to finish any of his videos
I'm wondering if that's why the mini expansion of "Into The Light" content is their way to solve the problem. Not a lot is known about the content but it's a month away.
29:40 I think it’s gonna be part of the expansion already with old scenes happening in the traveler in final shape as seen in the live stream
5:00 we had more action during the introduction of the red war than light fall whole story
I really hope and even think that to some degree into the light will touch upon stuff that had come before in a way that timeline reflections cant, my guess is it will be our guardian coming to an understanding about what the traveler exactly is and what it really means to wield the light, coming to this understanding through the experiences of our guardians and guardians past like the warlords, iron lords, the early parts of the last cities creation and what our view of the light was with that era, effectively prepping them for the pale heart.
If they made us able to play every vital story missions that tell the narrative in a row to tell us what happened and what is about to happen what are the Vail and who’s the Witness and everything it would fix all of this partially and never remove content for past seasons and combine them into one kiosk or vendor that rotates the inventory weekly.
In the Pyramid ship on the Throne World their are captured Scorn experiments, on the Pyramid ship on Neptune their are Cabal/Ghalran looking experiments. I think the Edz Pyramid ship was going to be humans and the Lost Sector where Amanda was killed happened because we stopped the Witness halting his experiments before anything began. Something i guess was meant to be known without Bungie saying well unless we get a future cut scene. Season of the Witch was definitely originally a part of Witch Queen, Sav's death, resurrection, death, resurrection then killed was shown in cut scenes & odd.
Can you do the raid walkthrough with Myelin again for other raids? (and the new one in Lightfall?). That is one of my favorite videos ever.
Cross remember outbreak and in the beginning of getting that I remember a mission on Titan where if you helped the fallen captain kill the hive captain . This would be perfect example of how lore is important to the game
They should have a Lore kiosk with lore going back from the beggining including red war and other expansions with cut scenes etc.
Looks like a great opportunity for you! the content creators to put together a "everything you need to know video " . That is kinda the thing that makes d2 special is the creators and community
Thank you for all your videos!! Best reviews on Destiny weapons online.
i took a break for season of the witch and of the wish and hearing this makes me intentionally not wanna go in and catch up on the story to see how bad it's gonna be experiencing the final shape without that context
yes this hits HUGE mark totally agree there is so much i have missed and cant go through all the story and this is a huge problem you cant do the past seasons campaign huge loss in my mind there is also a huge lose in profits from charging a reasonable price for past seasons!
8:28 I was more surprised by the fact that Hawthorne. A character in D2 that talked a lot about protecting HER PEOPLE YET NEVER SHOWED UP AT ALL peeved me. She talked so much about having to protect her people in Red War but when they were actually getting captured in Defiance she was in the tower, heck DEVRIM showed up and helped (sure he's the EDZ vendor but still)!!!
When you talked about going back in history and seeing stuff, it reminded me of the main quest in Skyrim where you go back in time using The Elder Scroll.
A little off topic, but I love Byf’s voice. He has that charisma that’s able to bring the Destiny universe to life, and I’m looking very forward to his updated: “The complete story of Destiny” video. Meant to catch people up. Starting from the beginning of D1, all the way to the build up of The Final Shape.
Bungie relies on content creators to keep us up to date on the ongoing story. Would not be surprised if they had internal discussions about the problems that Byf points out and a contingent of management said, “meh, don’t worry about it. Byf, myelin and Evaze will keep them all adequately informed. Seriously, at this point they are subsidizing their story product with people on UA-cam who will happily do it for free!!!
I definitely think Bungie should and will definitely make a Light & Darkness Saga pack that will include Shadowkeep, Beyond Light, Witch Queen, Lightfall, & Final Shape, but they should consider adding some padding via seasonal content that’s available to add context, like a little bits of Season of Arrival, Hunt, Chosen, Splicer, Lost, heck pretty much every season, past arrivals. Like a whole connected Campaign that tells the full story.
before the seasonal content sunsetting was "okay" as space in the help was needed (altough couldve been resolved easily) but now with no more seasonal content and plenty of empty areas to use still there is no point anymore...
there is literally a dialog point in the lightfall storyline where they say radial mast like 10 times then someone says, "wait what is it" and then they all give kind of an auditory shrug....
Rise of Iron soundtrack in the background. A man of culture, as always.
Day 1 d1 and d2 story is what captivated me I know everyone is different but stuff like when we lost guardian friends is what has always brought me back hate that I love it but I do and it's too bad so many felt the same as me 1 day
Wait so the season of the wish I bought will be gone when final shape comes out? I’ve always wondered why I see all kinds of locked content saying I need a certain season pass. If I can’t even play or purchase it why is it even there? Just a tease to new players to show what we missed? This will be the last season I pay for if they indeed just delete it afterwards.
Yes, unless Bungie says otherwise between now and Final Shape, the last four seasons worth of content post-Lightfall will leave the game, same as they have the last 20 or so seasons. Even though they vaulted the Red War, Curse of Osiris, Warmind and Forsaken full campaigns (and assorted destinations and activities associated with them), Bungie has said that full expansions will not be vaulted any longer. However, seasonal content, unless they change stance, will be removed.
And I've been asking people the same thing...what on earth is the point of paying for that content if it just gets deleted from the game between 3 months (6 or so since Wish is extra) and 1 year? Doesn't seem worth it.
The timeline missions are a step in the right direction. I would be down with them putting more cutscenes in there so new players can get the spark notes of the events leading up to the final shape
I just hope they create a environment like they did for oryx and the dreadnought for the traveler, for me that's when I really started loving the story and went to go learn about the lore.
honestly just saving me a TD master of arms but would like an enlightened action master of arms on the small chance that they buff the percentage on master of arms lol, otherwise I think surrounded is the best for onslaught and maybe desp measures for everything else.
I had no idle Veil Containment even existed…
Random thought...Cross used to love Gambit, was Cross the character concept for the Drifter?
the last time i played destiny was when witch queen a big reason i haven't come back is i have no clue what is happening anymore. Also i cant build i have 0 mods and i struggle with content and i don't feel like grinding to catch up. Destiny was also my most played game the year witch queen dropped on steam.
Does a Bungie-style Active Time Lore (ie FFXVI) fix a lot of these missing narrative issues for casuals/new players?
It's because the Veil Containment audio logs were a complete afterthought as to cheaply fix this trainwreck of a story.
Ai can only write so much...
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I understood the veil explanation perfectly
The only way to remind y the missing content is to have activities that are so damn exciting that the lack of content is overlooked
Let me start by saying I 100% agree and can actually relate to the feelings he described for new players. I started in Beyond Light but only played for about a month, and then really got into it in Lightfall and have played almost daily since, so I know the feeling of having to go and do individual lore and story research to feel like I have a semblance of an idea of what's going on. I do want to make an observation though, and I'm going to use World of Warcraft as an example. The theme of not having context going into new expansions for games is a lot more common than is being talked about, and is often just masked by having the current story to focus on (which I agree is something that will be missing at this rate in the Final Shape). Lets take current retail, Dragonflight, for example. There are many returning characters and themes that we haven't seen in a long time, and this is the meat of the analogy. Having to ask questions like Who is the Witness, What is the Veil, etc, is the same as the questions of Who/What are the dragon aspects, what is the Emerald Dream/Nightmare and so forth. New players coming into Dragonflight are going to lack all context for the interpersonal relations of the NPC story characters that were developed in the past, just as we will in destiny, and it's often like this with every WoW expansion. Yes there are of course references and explainers inserted into the story, but my point is if you want real context you have to go searching for the lore outside the game. I'm not saying this to refute anything or shill for bungie, I actually am very dissatisfied with them for many reasons, I just think its important to note that this isn't something that is unique to Destiny and it's expansions and out of all the numerous problems we have with destiny and it's devs, that this isn't one of the things that will make them out to be the bad guys imo