you looking to end someones life in a fist fight depending on the circumstances i wouldnt do a slam incase i killed them but if i knew my life was in danger for sure id go for the groin throat , throws etc but not in a fight between men
j0rp0t If that's the case, then why fight? Unless there is money involved, I don't fight. If I am attacked, I use kill tactics. I don't always kill them( in fact I've never killed anybody) But I will cripple or maim an attacker.
yeah iim talking about say a fair fght where an argument escalates and ends in a fight if your getting attacked and your alone then of course by all means use necessary force but a fight between two men needn't end in death ive had many fights growing up and still find myself in fights now unfortunately, ive won most my fights but as soon as i end a fight thats it there no more ill feelings towards that person that person has learnt his lesson by taking a beatng i find myself sticking up for people getting bullied alot and trust me after an ass whooping a persons attitude can completely chnage death is far from necessary in this instance anyway ive been taught to fight snce i was 8 competed in multiple boxing and kickboxing competitions tournaments also did wrestling and judo n college and a real man can tell when and when not to apply necessary force if youve been taught to fight by a good person uts all about evaluating the situation your in sorry for the novel lol
j0rp0t there is no such thing as a fair street fight. There are only fights you walk away from before they start, and fights you walk away from after they are finished. If you are fighting by a set of rules, you might as well be in a sanctioned fight with a referee. What you are talking about is some schoolyard nonsense. When you get out in the real world, a schoolyard scrap becomes a genuine fight for survival. I avoid fights as much as possible. when violence finds me, it never finds me unprepared or unwilling to handle it. BTW if the people you hang with either need ha much protection or keep getting into violent situations, then why haven't you started teaching them to defend themselves? If you have so much fighting experience, it should be your job to teach these people to avoid violence.
That's the Kolat Seat Belt toss it's an effective counter a to a Whizzer defense or the opponent attempting to block the single by splitting the opponents base with the trapped leg.
I really like these. I agree they're not hard to do ONCE you get teh position. But to get it you have to wrestle and that's hard lol. That's why I prefer a tricky sweep. But greco style (with a leg) is fun.
As a High level freestyle wrestler and U-style wrestler(Under Coach Kiyoshi Tamura), I have to say that this specific takedown is not catch specific. In freestyle wrestling, from which the moves hails, we call it a single leg seatbelt toss. In addition to the aforementioned, there are a few minor errors in the way these guys are demonstrating the move.. a good wrestling coach would be all over them for such errors.
No intention to bust balls here, but freestyle and folkstyle both grew out of catch wrestling. They slowly took the submissions and "dangerous" moves out of catch to make it safer for competition. Naturally, with no emphasis on submission, the takedown and pinning elements are more developed in freestyle and folkstyle. Basically: you are right, but catch WAS freestyle back in the day. Or at least that is my understanding of the history of wrestling.
pkrygsman The Suplex, chicken wing, and various other moves utilized in catch wrestling can be directly linked to maneuvers utilized in 17th century Turkish wrestling and then all the way back to sculptures and engravings from the Ancient Greek /Hellenistic era of wrestling, Catch wrestling is only dated as far back as the the late 19th century, 1870's or there about.. Wrestling was a huge draw of the Ancient Greek games and or the early Olympics. In countries like India, Turkey, and Mongolia, and various other places, wrestling went on as sport from the hellinistic era all the way through to the present. Catch as catch can was simply an amalgamation of bits and pieces from those various forms of wrestling. The same can be said of Freestyle wrestling.
I could be wrong, but if you have you arm between the legs of a person you have side control on. Doesn't that set yourself up for a triangle chock? Tito Ortiz recently was caught in a similar choke...
I've suplexed someone 60 pounds heavier than me on numerous occasions. Most suplexes are pretty adaptable to size as long as you use momentum and leverage properly.
One golden question..can this throw, Kill a person in a street fight? Can somebody answer? What about you TakingItToTheMMAT? Do you think this throw is too lethal for self defense?
I can say from experience, you will do this move 5,000 times and Billy never thought it was right. Great coach, but damn he was particular!
He is the green old Jedi master
Yoda
Billy Robinson would've been great to learn from, what a throw ! RIP
I think Daniel Cormier did that throw to big country last fight.
wrestling cus damato ;)
well put!
I love slams and nasty throws because they could end a fight in the street.
you looking to end someones life in a fist fight depending on the circumstances i wouldnt do a slam incase i killed them but if i knew my life was in danger for sure id go for the groin throat , throws etc but not in a fight between men
I'm not grabbing a mans balls. That has no honor.
j0rp0t If that's the case, then why fight? Unless there is money involved, I don't fight. If I am attacked, I use kill tactics. I don't always kill them( in fact I've never killed anybody) But I will cripple or maim an attacker.
yeah iim talking about say a fair fght where an argument escalates and ends in a fight if your getting attacked and your alone then of course by all means use necessary force but a fight between two men needn't end in death ive had many fights growing up and still find myself in fights now unfortunately, ive won most my fights but as soon as i end a fight thats it there no more ill feelings towards that person that person has learnt his lesson by taking a beatng i find myself sticking up for people getting bullied alot and trust me after an ass whooping a persons attitude can completely chnage death is far from necessary in this instance anyway ive been taught to fight snce i was 8 competed in multiple boxing and kickboxing competitions tournaments also did wrestling and judo n college and a real man can tell when and when not to apply necessary force if youve been taught to fight by a good person uts all about evaluating the situation your in sorry for the novel lol
j0rp0t there is no such thing as a fair street fight. There are only fights you walk away from before they start, and fights you walk away from after they are finished. If you are fighting by a set of rules, you might as well be in a sanctioned fight with a referee. What you are talking about is some schoolyard nonsense.
When you get out in the real world, a schoolyard scrap becomes a genuine fight for survival.
I avoid fights as much as possible. when violence finds me, it never finds me unprepared or unwilling to handle it.
BTW if the people you hang with either need ha much protection or keep getting into violent situations, then why haven't you started teaching them to defend themselves? If you have so much fighting experience, it should be your job to teach these people to avoid violence.
A true master dedicated to the art. RIP Billy
That's the Kolat Seat Belt toss it's an effective counter a to a Whizzer defense or the opponent attempting to block the single by splitting the opponents base with the trapped leg.
RIP.
That's a Kerry Kolat SeatBelt throw..... Trick is to get your opponent to circle into you and you can get a hi amplitude throw...
Everyone you bring in and just y'all in general are amazing, thanks guys :D
Did anyone else see the gun fall on the first demonstration
Damn this was towards the end. Robinson sounded like he had water in his lungs.
Great move and prevents you from falling into the opponents guard. I like it!
darht vader?
Interesting and unusual throw.
Ah the good old seatbelt throw :D It's my favourite
Billy Robinson the man's knowledge is vast.
This one is awesome
damn I will give this a go looks cool
Thats a really good move.
Beautiful just beautiful sir
THE REAL DARK KNIGHT!
I really like these. I agree they're not hard to do ONCE you get teh position. But to get it you have to wrestle and that's hard lol. That's why I prefer a tricky sweep. But greco style (with a leg) is fun.
beautiful slam..
Amazing!
Wow, very nice!
God rest Coach Robinson!
God bless his soul
that's a new one
GREAT AS always tnx
salute to old man.
Definitely an innovator ..RIP
To have this legend do a seminar at my gym would be like winning an MMA LOTTERY
its a seatbelt toss
Just wondering can this move can be used off a knee pick in reversal of a front headlock?
Please try it (carefully) and let us know. That'd be interesting :)
They would probably land on my head.
awesome
love it
Please come to indonesia...
Kind of like a suplex
this is called a seabelt toss. if you need better instruction look at it on cary kolats page
+DJ Flonta Kolat is fantastic, but we also have to give credit that this is a modified version of the seatbelt off of a roundhouse kick for MMA.
As a High level freestyle wrestler and U-style wrestler(Under Coach Kiyoshi Tamura), I have to say that this specific takedown is not catch specific. In freestyle wrestling, from which the moves hails, we call it a single leg seatbelt toss.
In addition to the aforementioned, there are a few minor errors in the way these guys are demonstrating the move.. a good wrestling coach would be all over them for such errors.
No intention to bust balls here, but freestyle and folkstyle both grew out of catch wrestling. They slowly took the submissions and "dangerous" moves out of catch to make it safer for competition. Naturally, with no emphasis on submission, the takedown and pinning elements are more developed in freestyle and folkstyle. Basically: you are right, but catch WAS freestyle back in the day. Or at least that is my understanding of the history of wrestling.
pkrygsman The Suplex, chicken wing, and various other moves utilized in catch wrestling can be directly linked to maneuvers utilized in 17th century Turkish wrestling and then all the way back to sculptures and engravings from the Ancient Greek /Hellenistic era of wrestling, Catch wrestling is only dated as far back as the the late 19th century, 1870's or there about.. Wrestling was a huge draw of the Ancient Greek games and or the early Olympics. In countries like India, Turkey, and Mongolia, and various other places, wrestling went on as sport from the hellinistic era all the way through to the present. Catch as catch can was simply an amalgamation of bits and pieces from those various forms of wrestling. The same can be said of Freestyle wrestling.
Please enlighten us on these minor errors :)
I could be wrong, but if you have you arm between the legs of a person you have side control on. Doesn't that set yourself up for a triangle chock? Tito Ortiz recently was caught in a similar choke...
The thing I have a problem with is I always hurt my back doing the suplex.
RIP
greatttt
This is a seat belt throw
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That Bruce Wayne ?
looks like a Greco roman wrestling move
Can't touch legs in Greco-Roman though.
i meant just in general the throw
Oh I agree, it does have that look to it.
MP5K V2 You're looking at the way the receiver of this toss is flying in the air, as I understand?
what is toe throw, it was in looney toons.
Has anyone cracked their own head open trying this move? From the looks of it, that seems very likely
@@emperorjimmu9941 mats or no mats you try that move on streets on concrete and it can go south for either party
Если белый зацепится стопой, то у негра бросок не получится.
you cannot sufflex an opponent that outweighs you by 60 lbs, 70 lbs, 100 lbs. try it
you can if you are in shape
I've suplexed someone 60 pounds heavier than me on numerous occasions. Most suplexes are pretty adaptable to size as long as you use momentum and leverage properly.
Not true. I've done it more than once. I'm only 165lbs.
Also, the heavier they are, the harder and faster you throw them. At least in my experiences.
you've never wrestled.
Floor looks too hard to be doing throws from that height?
One golden question..can this throw, Kill a person in a street fight? Can somebody answer? What about you TakingItToTheMMAT? Do you think this throw is too lethal for self defense?
Too many variables to answer. You could kill someone with a single punch, or German suplex someone and they walk away.
AND REMEMBER YOUR OPPONENT HAS TO JUMP OTHERWISE THEY JUST FALL ON YOU! ....So tell them nicely "Sir can you please jump?"
MrSlowPaper You never got thrown, right? Once your feet leave the ground, your ass is mine..... no need for you to jump at all.
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