Can you move Windows 11 from one PC to another... Let's find out!
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You have to enable pci-e bifurcation to use those multiple drive cards In a x16 slot.
This, 100%.
@@Jared01 scam
Was pretty much gonna say the same thing : pcie bifurcation
Yeah I had the same issue but that only workings if you can bifurcation slots other than slot 1
@@tsuki2000 yeah I reported them already. The 100% was to Bifurcation.
Jays face of thinking is the mark of everyone when they can’t remember what they do regularly
Poor Jay got messed w Microsoft and deleted one of his partitions..
Bookmarked for 4 years from now when I'm forced off win 10 🤣🤣
I will be upgrading to pop os at that point
@@tj71520 I have an older drive with Linux cinnamon and mint on it but I literally only have a jetpack for internet and the wifi dongles I got aren't compatible with Linux so I pretty much hit an instant roadblock lol
I'm not able to "get" anything...
Gonna be back here if I need to when I change from (same make) X470/3600 to B550/5800X - hopefully won't be 4 years, mind...
Right! Lol
Months*
The ending is one of the reason I watch this channel. The mistakes that anyone could make help us learn as much as, if not more than, a video where all goes according to plan. Thanks, Jay.
True that man!
By allowing someone to make his, or her own mistakes, it causes them to snap out of 'Drone-Mode', where they're continuously looking to their trainer/boss for all the answers, even after having heard the solution several times. They almost immediately start to think much more critically, and they start learning four times faster than before. I agree, it's nice to see the human side of Jay.
Yes you can
LOL!
Thank you for saving me 16mins
Only windows 11? Or do you know if windows 10 is possible
Only 115 likes? Let me change that
@@SunBearDabsworks with both, could he tricky if going from like an I3 to an I9
Jay! Thanks for doing what you are doing! Your videos are keeping me going especially right now since I can’t have a pc to do things with myself! So thanks and keep up the great work!
For anyone reading, if you've got bitlocker enabled on a drive which is enabled by default now on a clean build of Win11, be super careful about moving a drive between systems as it'll flag something and knock the drive off. You might/should be able to get the recovery keys from your MS account, but maybe not, but you'll get the same issue as Jay had there with the drive not showing up in the foreign system. It won't even go back into the original build without the recovery key being entered.
Knowing that I'm not the only person who goofs like that gives me an immense amount of psychological reassurance. Thanks Jay!
Thank you, Jay, for taking us along for the ride. Yes, This exact situation has happened to me at least twice on other people's systems. Glad to see it's a thing.
Actually pretty impressive how both Windows 10 and by extension 11 have become quite resilient to complete system transplants to the point of going through the UPnP part of OOBE again to re-orient themselves. Windows 7 and earlier would just *freak* and go right to BSOD if you attempted that.
Not really i have taken hard drive from a windows 7 laptop and put it in to my desktop and it booted but there was some resolution issues
@@11creeper45 Originally depended on the driver for the boot device. Windows recorded it in the registry and would only attempt to boot off of that.
If it was similar enough then you could get away with it, otherwise you would just get the inaccessible boot device error.
These days, it is possible to have big changes in the hardware as long as any required drivers are present in the Windows driver store.
@@executor32 Mhm. But your comment is getting into territory not implied by this video. That is, not just a simple drive transplant.
Also remember, this is what the Windows RE stuff is there for. I have had a couple of cases where I have transplanted a drive, the install failed to boot, Windows RE kicked in and then startup repair fixed it.
Fucking love that. Makes hardware upgrade so easy instead of dreading it and then taking months to get everything where and how I like it.
what's impressive is how they managed to make it not be able to do that for so long
Jay if you have a 3d printer, which i assume you do. Just do a quick cylinder design to go around that m.2 adapter, and then have a slot in the cylinder that matches the port so the drive can slide through the cylinder into the port. Just have the drive sticking out like 1/4. This will give you the protection you need until such docking exists.
good idea
And it's an excellent excuse to go back to the Tustin Microcenter to go get a 3d printer. :)
M.2 docks? They exist already, no need to improvise.
Another option, or in addition to that (they're not mutually exclusive), put some blu-tack on the bottom of the base to prevent it from tipping over.
Really appreciate you showing the struggle and how you think outside of the case to try things that I learn from
As others have mentioned, stuff like drive risers tend to need the slot configuring to 4+4 (for an electrically x8 slot) or 4+4+4+4 (for a "proper" x16). Splits the slot up and *should* allow you to mix and match drives as much as you like.
Jay - Steve has revealed that you were behind EVGA's stolen truckload of GPUs. You're on the run now
Yeah. They even have evidence, Video and they did tell us how you did make a Deal with Micro Center as well. It all makes Sense. You cant run.
Kappa (Sarcasm)
*FBI OPEN UP!!!*
I have to agree the evidence provided by GN is pretty ironclad
So you guys are the ones bother jay huh. Poor man just trying to make content leave the man alone
@@bryanhoyos5543 Steve commands us
Love going back to these old videos. Hadn't seen this, and really good information to know.
Hey Jay, are you selling any of those gpus from that truck load you and Phil stole? Lol 😆
If you want to use that PCIE NVMe card, for the second NVMe drive, you need to split the PCIe slot "bifurcated" into a 4x4x4x4 (or 4x4) , rather then full 8x or 16x slot.. Else it will only see the first drive.
Usually those 2nd or 3rd PCIEx16 slots are just x4 connected. Normally x8 or x16 (electric wired) cards run on x4 Slots (with reduced speed). But cards for multiple NVMEs are probably different, hence the bifurcation.
Looking closely at the video @9:04 mark it could be seen that in BIOS PCIEX16_4 slot is set to x4 bandwidth. By the looks of it ROG HYPER M.2 CARD is a fancy but dumb thing that requires bifurcation for second drive to work. At the very least I don't see any PCIE commutator chip on it like ASM1812 or PLX8748 that are typically used for this kind of duties. It means that (a) it hadn't had a chance to work for second M.2 drive as slot was in x4 mode - so simply no lines available for second M.2 to work with and (b) in case this slot supports x8 or x16 mode it would also require bifurcation support enabled for this slot (assuming that it is supported at all - as typically bifurcation is only available on CPU-connected PCIEX slots) and set to 4x4 or x4x4x8 - just like you wrote in your comment above.
I got a question I'm hoping you can answer. Here's the story.
7 Years ago bought a PC. Last Year upgraded to an SSD (keeping HDD for backup). HDD was cloned to SSD. I use SSD as main boot. Want to buy new PC to modernize CPU/GPU and all that. New PC will have it's own SSD with Win11. I plan on using this new SSD with W11 as boot drive. Can I install the old drive to keep my games and files? Then also maybe transfer some of those files onto the new drive. (Both are M2. but new MB has 3 slots)
@@Innnsanity yes, I moved my Steam game library from a laptop hdd to ssd, then simply moved the ssd to my desktop build.
Look up data migration tools and pages on using Windows robocopy if you copy folders onto fresh disk partitions.
@@ISO-ex2lg the bifurcation of PCIEx16 slot is assigning limited PCIE lanes away from the GPU slot to a 2nd NVME x4 drive slot.
It happened with 2nd drive in Comet Lake due to limited PCIE3 connectivity. Less problematic was AMD PCIE4 bifurcation as the GPU had enough bandwidth. Of course with iGPU all lanes may be going to NVME PCIE4 4 slot card.
I've done this a lot. It's amazing how often it works without any issues. Even when you get the bug that places the boot files on a different drive than where you installed Windows you can still transfer the install to a different PC so long as you have both drives connected. Also, whenever you want to install Windows remove all of the other drives except the one you want to install it to so you don't have to worry about the boot files bug. Learned that the hard way.
I don't think boot files going on another drive that's connected is a bug, I believe it's just how Windows works but it's very annoying and like you said always unplug all except the boot drive when installing Windows (unless you'll be keep any secondary drives for a long time and don't care if boot files go on another drive)
@@adamd1347 did you ever get any driver incompatibilities doing this? Leftover crud from old system? I just did this with new CPU motherboard and RAM upgrade but was surprised didn't even know this would work. I've got Macrium also but forgot to try the cloning😜
@@adamd1347 ok thanks. I went from Intel to AMD build so I did uninstall all the old mb and chipset or other drivers just to be sure. I also ended up not running from the same SSD and basically cloned it to a bigger drive and set BIOS to use new one. Running clean and was lot less painful cutover than I thought it would be
Jay I started watching your channel just before the pandemic started because I was looking for reviews on PC parts I was looking at. It was the first PC I had built in almost 15 years. Since then I have watched every video, subscribed to RTFM, and entered every contest. For some reason I jumped on Twitter today (which I almost never use) and found a thread and went down a rabbit hole of someone trashing you because they can't read. So I came here to say just keep doing you. Your content is great. I appreciate all your opinions and thoughts, and these giveaways are fantastic when it's such a pain to get parts out there right now. You can't please everyone, but the ones you don't please apparently can't read. Keep up the good work!
This is why I love your channel so much, you've helped me more than you could possibly know on a myriad of tech issues. So many other youtubers and websites I've gone to have said to never do this, especially when switching from Intel or AMD or vice verse. I've done it myself between two intel systems, but after building my first custom PC myself, and switching from Intel to AMD, I've been iffy on whether or not I should hotswap my C drive. Seeing you do it here with absolutely no issue, and hearing you say that you can do it with the same result across CPU and Motherboard brands fills me with confidence that it will work precisely because I trust your opinion after your repeatedly showing the entire process yourself and showing definitively that things work exactly how you say they will.
Used to do this a lot in a PC service job. One test drive with Windows installed could be reused numerous times. Eventually though, it will collect too many drivers, eventually getting something that renders it unstable on other systems, and we'll have to start it fresh again.
Is it possible to make one master drive and use only copies from it in fixed PCs?
Force an OOBE so Windows unloads all previous drivers and re-sets the drivers for the current hardware.
Paragon Adaptive Restore used to do this pre-Win10.
Very useful for when you go from SATA to IDE mode to RAID mode to external USB drive and so on.
When you swap a drive from one pc to another, do you have to uninstall all the old MB/drivers? How can you easily do that?
@@JustALittleRTX exact same thing I was wondering is there a bunch of junk files and incompatible drivers left when doing this kind of swap
This was fantastic to see. My biggest concern with upgrading to Windows 11 was the question of what would happen if some of my hardware died and I had to put my m.2 in another system? From the little I understood about Windows cryptography and TPM I assumed the drive would not be able to be decrypted and read without the original TPM module, but according to your findings that's absolutely not the case. Good to know.
It still is the case. The drive decryption keys are stored in the TPM, BUT drive encryption isn't enabled by default when installing from media. If you enabled BitLocker then you would be screwed if you didn't have the recovery key (unless you used a hardware device instead of TPM for the decryption key)
The TPM requirement is for secure boot so that Microsoft's keys can be stored and checked on startup to ensure that no critical system files have been tampered with.
very informative video jay really helped me, thanks for sharing
nice Jay! Thanks for doing what you are doing!
Did you remember set 4x4x4x4x splitting for that PCIe-port?
Anyway, changing platforms with current date Windows installation works just fine, even Greg Salazar were claiming that it's very bad thing to do. Also there shouldn't be even any problems with activation if old installation had valid Windows 10 license.
@@Davidx_117 These days you can just tell Windows to swap the activation if you have the key linked to a Microsoft account.
But in general, if you have a key linked to a set of hardware, Windows will try to activate automatically.
@@darranrowe174 Swapping activation only works so many times, at least in my experience (might be because it was an OEM key, retail might be unlimited swaps or at least more swaps than OEM)
@@Davidx_117 The whole point of paying more for retail is that it isn't tied to a particular machine. One of the main stipulations for a retail key is that you are always able to move it.
For OEM, it always depends on what type of OEM key you have. Vendor OEM keys have limits like being tied to a single motherboard or limited activations.
You can move keys as many times as you want some times you just have to type it in again if you move from one system to another oem or retail doesn't matter
@@darranrowe174 Wasn't aware (or just didn't remember) that retail keys allowed that, definitely going to keep that in mind for my next build. Thanks
Hey Jay! Steve Burke says you have a few extra GPU's!🤣 I've been a good boy this year!🎄
I can’t be the only person whose excited for December and your everyday videos! My morning drive to works are so boring!!!
Thanks Jay! Gonna need this for my own threadripper & to clone my current drives!
The timing of this was perfect. I have my PC in pieces right now doing a motherboard and CPU upgrade. And yes, I had windows 11 installed on an M.2. Thanks Jay!
Hi please me how you moved you windows 11 into new pc. I am building new pc with new ram, new cpu, new motherboard. And i have installed windows 11 on m.2 gen 4 ssd in old pc. I only have one ssd. So how I will move my windows 11 to new pc.
@@proFFGaming2 You can just plug your m.2 into the new motherboard and it should work. *However*, I would recommend doing a fresh Windows install. You can download the installer from the Microsoft website to a USB flash drive.
@@G4MERtheGREY ok i will try this if it doesn't work well then I will do the fresh install
@@proFFGaming2 hey, how did it go? I am just about to this with SSD, simply plug it in new computer?(Win11 ) first I will detach windows key from my old rig and activate it on a new computer whe. Windows will boot but the main question is if it boot 😂Appreciate confirmation it works like on the video.
@@IIPAGOII i worked normally no problem happened. If your windows doesn't activate reply here.
Don't you have to enable PCIe bifurcation to put multiple drives on those M.2 carrier cards?
yes, yes you do.
Thanks Jay, this is helpful and answered my question.
I enjoyed the video Jay. Thanks a bunch.
Needed: Someone to drive the getaway car.
Job: Going to Jay's office, and stealing a few video cards or full on systems.
🤣🤣
Love these type of videos Jay.
It really shows that even after all your years of experience with PCs these issues still happen, and your thought process on how you fix the issues.
Thank you for this video! I am planning on making a whole new computer and bringing my old drives with me on windows 11. I am glad to know that it will work!
Great Video Jay.
3:15, you can hold Del instead of spamming it :)
Spamming feels nice
Depends on motherboard, holding it down can give keyboard error
Pci-e bifurcation is a setting you have to set for the pci-e slot where the hyper-x is plugged in, or you will only see one drive.
100% this. I have the PCIEx3 version of this that supports 4 drives and saw the same thing before bifurcating the slot.
Was so frustrating to watch,. because you are right of course. Also, you can't hot plug nvme USB drives like that... As he learned when he unplugged the USB device and plugged it back in.
@@edwardallenthree sorry, what cant you just USB plug an M.2?
@@RedStyla yes! But you can't plug the nvme in while the drive is connected. USB is hotplugable. Nvme (in this case) is not. It's subtle, but this along with the very real risk of the drive breaking is why this particular nvme USB adapter is a bad deal.
Jay, big fan of your videos, watched your videos to build my 1st PC when the pandemic started, I think I have a good idea for you to make a video about Ryzen that I haven't seen anyone come across.
Super thanx for testing this out :)
pretty sure he just needed to enable PCIe bifurcation in his BIOS to get them both working in that enclosure
I upgraded to windows 11 on my 9700k system, then upgraded that system to a 12700k, the only thing i moved over was i kept my ram and 3080ti and m.2 drives that already had windows 11 and all my games, it booted right up wand worked without issue, all i had to do after was go to microsoft website and reactivate windows due to hardware change
Last week I finally found a motherboard and cpu compatible to work with my PC (the motherboard died while on normal operation last month.) and I was worried about what I was going to do to get my hard drives and data to behave with the new hardware. I was super concerned when windows booted and it was giving a "preparing devices" message like in this video. To think it was all normal, lol. First experience with this sort of thing for me, but glad guides like this exist!
Just found your channel recently, I love the way you present information! Messing around with PCs and various other forms of electronics for over 50 years but no longer full-time nor anywhere near as deep into it is you are, so it's a great resource to be able to learn new tricks from your videos! Thank you and keep on posting!
Jay we know you stole that truck of graphics cards from EVGA!
Moved my drive with Win 11 to a new 12900K build and apart from Epson scanner not liking it everything else was A1 in seconds!
Thank you for existing Jay. You're the best
Subscribed. Cool presentation.
I found out that this works by accident :)
When Windows 11 launched I installed it on my 7700K machine as an upgrade. But a few weeks later I upgraded to a 5800X.
I wanted to install Windows 11 on my new NVMe SSD but I forgot to go to the UEFI to change the boot order. The new mainboard defaulted to my older SATA SSD with the Windows 11 install.
Windows launched just fine for me as well. But I decided to do a fresh install on the new SSD anyway.
Good thing you did as in the past going from one platform to another like that could lower performance by up to 13%. I haven't seen tests to see if windows 11 behaves the same way but better to be safe.
gigaBRAIN
@@retrosimon9843 Oh yes absolutely. I always want a fresh Windows installation when I make major changes to the hardware.
And it was worth it, all benchmarks are in line with other results I found online :)
@@olo398 More like galaxy brain sized brain fart...
But hey at least nothing could have broken from that and it was a confirmation that the hardware works.
I've used the same key for windows since I bought a prebuilt 4 years ago. I've swapped cpu and mobos 3 times and never got the activation problems
I think if you sign in with an e-mail address the key is assigned to that, as long as you sign in with the same email the key will work
@@paulraw that would work make sense
@@paulraw Up to a point, yes.
If you move the install too many times within a certain time-period (I think its 12 months) MS "deactivates" the key, and you have to contact them to get it reactivated.
@@The_Keeper - I didn't know that
@@The_Keeper Yes. I had to call a number and do the whole manual installation id dance with a talking computer lol
Thanks for putting my beginner worries to rest. Bought a prebuilt, building my own from scratch. Thanks!
Good toknow that SSD Card, can be switched. My motherboard had ram failure
This is good to know since I will be planning to upgrade my drive solution to full nvme m.2 solution instead of mixed for when I get my next PC next year. :)
@JayzTwoCents can you try this same thing from a machine that is able to install Windows 11 to a machine too old to install Windows 11?
it works. ive personally put it on as old as a 2500 and i know someone with it working on a c2d.
Swapping drives between systems like this, particularly AMD to Intel and vice versa, can negatively impact performance.
Multiple channels have done benchmarks in the past on this. If this remains the case with windows 11 needs to be tested.
Going to replace my A520M in the next day or so and stumbled into this vid. Didn't even search for it, just popped up. Answered my q without asking. Thx 4 your vid!
Thanks for this Jay. With your investigation I fixed my issue with another nvme that I did the same thing you did. Customer data is priceless. So I bought some merch. Cheers and thanks again.
Even Vista did the drive moving relatively painless already and windumb has only gotten more resilient in that regard.
Just one tip for everybody:
When you do a clean install of Windows, DISCONNECT ALL OTHER DRIVES.
Windumb likes to put different partitions and parts of itself on different drives for some stupid reason.
Yeah that took me too long to figure out XD I had 2 M.2 drives, and when installing windows on the new one i kept getting intallation errors. Found out I had to remove the first m.2 and install
depending on the m.2 expansion cards, some have be run using bifurcation mode, where teh slot is split up in 8x and 8x.
Had the same "fatal error" error as Jay when using an external USB to NVMe adapter. Put the drive directly on the motherboard and it worked no problems. In my case, it was because the adapter did not fully support the NVMe drive and it was being reported as having a critical error when in reality it worked just fine.
STEVE IS ON TO YOU! Gamers nexus has accused you of stealing a truckload of cards from EVGA
Just thought I’d let you know
What I take from this is always know where your files are going lmao
Great Video! We need more videos like this. Real hardware problems with real fixes.
Thanks for this video guys.
I just moved my Windows 11 SSD from the old main board to the new one (both Ryzen) and it worked really fine.
"Who would be computer savvy enough to move their boot drive to a new system but computer illiterate enough to not reinstall Windows in the new system?" --me like 2 days ago when another channel mentioned people trying this.
14:44 shows why we love Jay's videos.
Whew, I was affraid you were not going to post a video today! Was starting to jones.
Easier than stealing a truckload of video cards, eh guys?
We caught you jay! We know you stole the truckload of graphics cards >.<
-GN Steve
I agree with checking bifurcation option on mobo. The external M.2 reader may also be the issue on reading the drive. Just noting items that change from white build.
A year later, thank you for posting this. having issues with my system and I was dreading having to re-set up everything.. I don't know if it's my Mobo or PSU yet.. or if its honestly something else but it leans toward those.. random BlackSOD. first thought it was display drivers cuz it happened while playing a game & watching youtube, twice, so rolled that back with DDU. Happened again same situation, then again when just using browser, and twice when just gaming. then it deterated to like crashing after logging into windows.. and a discharge of the system seems to be what helps for a solid bit.. ya know flick the PSU off, hold the power button let all the stored power drain out. at my wits end a little cuz I'm disabled and don't quite have the $ to just go get new parts and my pc is prety much my access to everything. anyway thanks again for this vid, I /do/ recall how many times it would come up and its been mentioned in other vids but having a dedcated one is always best I feel.
Microsoft: upgrade to Windows 11!
Me: I’m going to go from Windows 10 by upgrading to Windows 7!
Gamers Nexus claims that the truckload of EGVA GPUs was stolen by Jayz Twocents and sold to Micro Center for their Grand Opening. Apparently Phil Twocents was his accomplice.
Love it it work Congratz. Now i want your shop I pay shipping.
This is great content. Im actually moving all my secondary drives from an Intel+Win10 to a new pc on a Amd+Win11, hopefully everything works.
Stop stealing GPUs, Jay and Phil
Jay we know you did it.
We know you stole the truck of EVGA GPUs and sold them to microcenter for your video. Tech Jesus has figured you out and alerted EVGA
I love that you went through all of that just to not have but one game on there lol. - I wonder if the m.2 dongle was faulty. Because your link is not working and I do not see that one when I search for them.
OH fun! Been many years since I've tried to do a move to new hardware... just fresh install when I upgrade these days.. important programs (games) are on another drive and files are all on a NAS :)
Great Video, I'm about to build a new system and I was wondering if I could just put my drive in along with my other drives in the new rig without any problems. I literally just asked you this in the comments section of another one of your videos that you did a few months ago. I feel better now👍
I have the same issue with the Hyper M.2 card, have to set the motherboard PCIE slot to RAID x8 mode even if you aren't using RAID. This enables the card to bifurcate the lanes and allocate them to each drive.
Jay love your work! 2 things 1st Can you install windows 11 on a TPM device then move the SSD over to a PC with out TPM. 2nd do you think your adapter is dogy or is it the m.2?
Thanks for this Jay as I was thinking will TPM cause me problems as I'm switching between a desktop and a ITX PC when I need to travel light/work away from home. Is it safe to assume it was fine when you moved it back to the original PC?
I needed that info! Thanks Jayz! Was the Win 11 license still ok too?
thanks for this video, been wondering if you could move os from one pc to another.
Weird question for you Jay, and not exactly pertaining to this video but it might make for an interesting tip video. But can one use a loop leak tester, like the EK leak tester for example, to drain a loop? Before I've seen you blow into the system to push the air out, and thinking of a more elegant way to drain a loop would be to use the leak tester to pump air into the system, with a drain valve open, to displace the water in the system with air.
Jay, what's your thoughts on Win11 for gaming and stuff like Adobe Suite? I'm hesitant on upgrading yet, because I don't want to deal with any issues, since I use my rig for absolutely everything from gaming, to movies, to photo and video editing.
You needed to set the PCIe slot to RAID mode to see more than one device in the Threadripper system because that’s what enables PCIe lane bifurcation.
Not having any luck cloning a boot drive and moving that drive to a new build lately. It was sweet.
This is why a lot of people are hesitant to come over to PC from a Console. They just want to play there Games but wind up with all the added hassles that come with the PC experience. I would definitely suggest a Pre Built computer as anyones first PC. That way it’s already configured properly in the Bios and all the other components and most software will come pre installed. I did that and it made the transition so much easier.
Could you possibly turn the camera around so we can see what's in your shop? I have heard a rumor that there may be a big pallet of graphics cards there.
It does work, but for best performance you should always do a clean install. Hardware Unboxed just made a video about it 😊
Question about which is the best m.2 slot to put the system on, the apps on, the data files on, the virtual ram, and the file swapping space on. Not sure about your mobo but it seems like most give you have a choice of one pcie slot going directly to the cpu and several to the chipset. If you have a choice, which goes where? Does this change whether you are just playing games, or running database intensive graphics apps like Revit?
Thank you. 😊
The best videos are the ones that don't go to plan. Makes good viewing. 🙏
Not sure if this is a similar problem, but I had a Crucial P5 2TB that would not work with an external enclosure. That could be a similar issue that you're experiencing with the external dock not working with that particular drive, the firmware of the drive may only like motherboard slots. Just a thought, great video as always!
lovely to watch an expert to get the same walls... i feel so much better captain
To get both m.2 on the pcie card, enable pci bifurification in bios ?? Pretty sure this would work , researched it when had Gigabyte Xtreme . Then switched to asus extreme with 5 m.2s.
Nice tube bends!
the twitch follow requirement for the week 3 competition is not working I am allready following & it is not giving me the 2 entries so I have just entered as much as it will let me - thank you for running the competitions Jay you rock