We Three Kings of Orient Are... From Where?
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2018
- In this video on where the three kings or Wise men in the Gospels are from (often called the epiphany), Dr. Pitre gives the most popular positions taken throughout the history of the Church and offers what he thinks is the most compelling reasons in light of the Old Testament.
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Amazing! Nice to know new thinks about a our church and Faith. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from Venezuela.
Thanks Dr. Pitre. I can buy Arabia, and in fact wouldn't be surprised to learn from someplace closer. What I have trouble with is the 'kings' part. We saw when Sheba visited Solomon, she brought a large number of animals carrying gifts, and presumably personal guards. Here, we have multiple 'kings,' over which Herod assumes primacy, and seemingly no large retinue. Sounds more like advisers or lower judges to me.
Thanks as always Dr Pitre .May God bless you and your team and your family always.
Excellent work, as always! GOD Bless!
I dont think so that the wise men came from Arabia, which is a few miles from israel. When the wise men meet Jesus he is already in the house. So it means they traveled from far country. Secondly, the gifts they brought to Jesus are found in the Philippines. Philippines is known as a pearl of the orient
Thank you for the amazing content Dr.Pitre.
Amen Dr. Pitre.
Thanks GOD for his GIFT of Wisdom
As He keep on unveiling the deeo stories of the Holy Book that others keep on Destroying
Excellent. Thank you for posting.
Thank you for this, raised in a Latin culture 3 Kings Day is big for us. God bless you.
Reformed Protestant here, but this was very informative. Thank you for sharing
Hi
Be Catholic and you will become wholly formed according to what God has revealed.
One was a king who provided the means to travel and gift of gold. The other two were his advisors, who studied astronomy and they all loved God. The gold helped Joseph and Mary the means to get out of Dodge because of King Herod. Saudi Arabia is SE, but Persia is East. Therefore, they were at least from Persia. Also, the king must have brought a caravan with men to protect them, set up camp and feed the camels, etc. They traveled through desert in the summer, so it's not like they were on cruise control. It took a long time. Watering holes, food provisions, rest stops were all included in their plans for their journey. Not long as two years, but maybe.
Wow as always just amazing
in spanish they are called "Los Tres Reyes Magos" and we celebrate this holiday in January 6 were kids recieve gifts while they sleep. I recieved gifts from them.
Wow... what a beautiful video
So good!
Very good biblical cross-referencing! I never heard this potential explanation before. I also embarrassed to say I did not know about Abraham having anyone else other than his wife Sarah and her servant Hagar, through him he had children.
The 3 wise men traveled from the orient seas for 2 years before they reach Bethlehem. Would it be close enough to say that the Eastern part of the world is in Asia where the Land of Ophir settled? The Land where King Solomon commanded his men to gather the fine gold, Narra (Almud Wood) to be used in building the Temple of Jerusalem.
Amazing!
To all you God Culture adherents a.k.a. modern day protestants, no offence intended but knowing where the 3 kings a.k.a. 3 wise men a.k.a. 3 magi originally came from would not secure your salvation and lead you to heaven. So whether they were from the Philippines as you strongly believed doesn't give weight to your justification.
For a start, It is only by believing and confessing that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour, begotten Son of God, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made,
Consubstantial with the Father, would secure your salvation.
The good Dr. Pitre is just discoursing from Biblical text where the 3 men could possibly come from. So please don't make a big deal out of this, pretending that your souls depend on this revelation. And you all would do well if you do your fishing in the part of the world where Christ is not known and believed and not where Jesus Christ is believed and worshipped as both Lord and Saviour since the time of the Holy Apostles and surviving as the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church till this day.
Whatever logic, arguments and interpretation you might have, just know that as long you're one of the many thousands of protestant churches who broke away from our Lord's mandate to St. Peter, you have no authority whatsoever let alone, teaching, for the source of your teachings would be from the traditions of men however hard you try to mask it by quoting the bible.
And whoever believes that Jesus was 2 years old when the 3 wise men came a calling from the Philippines, don't know your bible well enough and just propaganding your own imaginary faith all the while making a complete fool out of yourselves. Please refer to Luke 2:12
This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
Hello, it says here, "Baby"!!! Not some toddler playing peek-a-boo with you!!
Now which of you here is/ are relying on tradition of men and discarding the Holy Apostolic Tradition/faith? I say to you, be forwarned, repent and turn back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by our Lord Jesus Christ on St. Peter whom the Lord has given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to. Matthew 16:19.
Peace.
They are not making a big deal of of it.. they just want to share the truth regarding this issue where these 3 kings came from. It is just misinterpretation of those so called scholars. When the Bible says its east (Orient) it's talking about the nations from the east of the world map. The Bible is not just the Middle east. Remember the Prophecy in
Matthew 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Luke 11:31The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
This Queen of the South is Sheba . Not the south of arabia because the south of arabia is not the Uttermost parts of the Earth.
Does South East Asia Rings a bell? I don't know with you if still insist that you were right in your interpretation. the verse is plain and simple,
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Your conviction on this matter doesn't make an impact as far as salvation history is concerned. These verses written by Matthew only serve to point out that Jesus is the promised Messiah, the Lord and King as foretold by the prophets of old. So whether Sheba came from Arabia, Ethopia or the Philippines as you guys insist adamantly and claimed her to be from doesn't lend the slightest weight to the fact that Jesus Christ, in His hypostasis nature, of full God and full Man, is greater than Solomon. In the midst of all these brauhaha coming from you guys, the fact remains that geographically, Jesus' time on earth in His saving mission, as recorded by the Gospel writers was carried out and completed in the Middle Eastern regions and not in the Philippines. So really, what's so significant about Philippines anyway, except for the souls that live there, then again, so is every precious souls in the world.
Peace and God bless.
@@dennismorales7212
By the way, there are no known biblical text that explicitly mentioned South East Asia as the utmost part of the world so how on earth do you guys interpret it as such? Arabia is south of the Middle East regions and has biblical texts refering to it in different names. That is the world the biblical writers know it and refer to it as such. This unfortunately didn't include the rest of the world, like Japan, China and I'm convinced New Zealand is certainly not on their list and heck so was Australia. We know that the scriptures were written by human authors with their limitations and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, so if these human authors has never travelled or heard of such places in the first place, how do you expect them to include these places in their writings, as 'the most utmost part of the Earth'? The understanding of the earth in biblical times was flat and on stilts and not round as we know today.
By your own admission, you believed in the interpretation of Philippines as the most utmost part of the world even though it's not explicitly found in the bible, my question here is, why not Japan? Isn't Japan the land of the rising sun and is situated further off east compared to Philippines? And why not New Zealand, another country situated further east and further down south?
Apparently the so called scholars that you guys relied on for this irrational truth has not provide any answers for this and you all swallowed it hook, line and sinker.....
I'm sure you know that Philippines has 7641 islands, which of these many isles is Ophir, Sheba and Havilah? Don't tell me it's Luzon, Cebu and Mindanao......and nope don't think Palawan is one of these..
Seriously, it's a shame....absolutely shameless.
@@eddixxon You completely ignore the fundamentals of Bible Prophecy.... there's no agreement here between the Divinity of Yahusha (Jesus ) and totally agree on the fact that in that verse the main point is that a greater than Solomon came. But you completely ignoring also the fact that the Prophecy about the rise of Sheba on Judgement. And you completely ignore the fact the The Philippines is compost of many islands, (more than 7,000) islands) the Bible mentions it many times in the isles of the Sea, in the Orient, in the East. in the Far East. Try using the logical deduction on your claims and you will find it easy to understand why Philippines makes much more sense to be in that Prophecy.
@@eddixxon Remember brother that the Book of Revelation is mostly of Prophecy (which is to come. and The third verse of the first chapter points it out clearly.
Revelation 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
If you wanna be blessed.. you have to read and listen to the words of the Prophecy and keep them.
But if you ignore those prophecies which are written you will not be able to understand the Bible.
As Jesus said , be on your guard for he will come as a thief in the night. This is a warning for the things to come.
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Interesting interpretation indeed! First time hearing this!
..watch GOD CULTURE about the ophir,
this is a HOAX documentary...
What do you think of the theory that they were Zoroastrians--monotheists who were heavily found to the East to Israel? The literal title of Zoroastrian priests is "Magi" and they spend enormous amounts of time studying and watching the stars. Since I was a child I have heard this theory, and I know people (pretty smart ones) who still think it. It would imply those Zoroastrians who converted to Christianity (many did) were also part of the plan--they were the largest monotheist faith in the region that wasn't Jewish.
Yes very possible. I have read this theory as well
gold star for Joan : )
Also, the Church of the Nativity in Bethelehem has ancient paintings of the three wise men dressed in Persian garments. This was done at a closer time to Jesus' birth and I would assume that they came from Persia.
Thabkbfor sll your presentations Dr Pitre, very informative.
On the Maggie though, does that concept/interpretation that the Wisemen could have come from Babylon, because they mighty have studied Daniel's prophecies while in exile, which led them to follow the star, not be the most likely original of the Maggie? Other school of thoughts do not give us much of their knowledge about the Messiah (King of the Jews) without solid source of their "Windom".
Was this not also true for king Solomon? Just asking , not trying to dispute. I may be totally wrong.
Isaiah 60:6 is a prophecy on the second coming mysteries not the first coming. There are two sheba one is the visayan region of the Philippines amd one is in middle east. I know all these things you can visit me in the Philippines
Excellent explaining
Matthew 12:42 is a prophesy about the end times. “The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.”
Again, when the Bible refers to the uttermost parts of the earth, it literally means the ends of the earth - far away from the Middle East.
Queen of the South of Philippines, which is Cebu.
The uttermost part of the Earth. ...modern day Philippines. ..ancient land of Ophir sheba and tarshis.....
Kings are different from queens
The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which floats in the white triangle(symbolizes the Holy Trinity) which represents pureness which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
Middle East is not a Christmas . East not middle East
Matthew's account of the wise men from the East, has had a chequered explanation. 3 kings from Sheba is one explanation. But it begs the question just how many kings did Sheba hold?
Presumably they were not Jewish so why would they or any other foreign king or wise men choose to worship a newly born king of the Jews?
Because of the miracle star and likely associated events their court seers might have advised them. BTW, God knows whom to place where, when and how and everything else.
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According to you God knows everything. However we find that God is a much flawed character. On occasion he has shown himself as being quite egotistical and even ignorant of mankind's affairs.
@@edwardlongfellow5819 i vehemently disagree with your comment
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Unfortunately your disagreement or opposition to my summation of God's character does not hold up to that which is written in the Ol Testament.
@@edwardlongfellow5819 He is a loving Father in the Old Testament and a just Judge as well
I just wonder Dr. Pitre, what does the number three (3 kings) signifies? I hope I was not missing the context of your explanations. Thanks!
Adelaida hello and greetings, a good guess would be the Holy Trinity concept, the figure 3 figures so prominently in Our Lord's life it's uncanny. Peace.
Allan Lindsay Hi! It makes sense, thanks👏🏻
The 3 magi are linked to the 3 gifts given. However, an interesting detail is that it's never said how many magi arrive. Syriac tradition tells us it was actually 12!
Persia, Afghanistan, Turkey ... as revealed to Maria Valtorta. (The Poem of The Man-God. Vol 1)
The West Manassah Magi were a priestly caste of Samaritan philosophers founded in 44BC by Menahem and later led by Simon Zelotes. The Magians were Joseph's political associates. The Magi came to hail Jesus as a new member of the David dynasty to work with them in mission. The Samaritan Magi were members of the Order (the Great White Brotherhood of Tutmosis III), being attached to the Egyptian Therapeuts in Qumran in Judea. There were 500 members in the Samaritan Magian order of West Manassah. The whole order of Manassah contained 1000 men in the homeland, but they were divided into western and eastern branches as the original tribe had been, the Samaritans of the West being hellenized. Magians learned their calendar science, medicine and political skills in Babylon, where they had profited from the enforced exile of Samaritans in the 8th century BC; but they were Samaritan Jews who had a high reputation for learning, and had combined Jewish religion with Hellenistic knowledge in a way that had already become gnosticism, that is, the belief that there was a superior kind of salvation for men of learning. In their communities they lived very much as the Pythagoreans did, devoted to the pursuit of knowledge as a religious way of life.
The quotations from Isaiah 60 and Psalm 72 determine location for me. Check out where most websites place Sheba and Midian Thanks. B
Geographical proximity is a very strong indication of most things Biblical. Of course specifically here when coupled by the Sheba influence in Israel, outlined in the Old Testament through the Solomon story. I note with particular interest that in Geographical Proximity, that there is never a great distance in any off these prophetic indications and outcomes, especially in the travel of Christ Jesus, exemplified again with the Magi or 3 Kings from the Orient, who would also have to be aware of the teachings of the Jews. Go to Israel, you will be shocked at the proximity of all of these Biblical sites and locations.
What Reveals to me that the story of The Three Wise Man or Three Kings was like Kings that with Melchizedek in old Testament with Abraham
Amen Dr. Pitre.
Thanks GOD for his GIFT of Wisdom
As He keep on unveiling the deep stories of the Holy Book that others keep on Destroying.
Whoever the KINGS or wise man are.. These are for sure from different places where travels like astrologers and met in a place or Kingdom where they confirm to each other that there is a prophecy that even Chinese History that I have read that had revealed by their Emperor that through their belief in astronomy
even the day He will be died was revealed too
Whatever it is Thank GOD it was not given importance and written like in Genesis that Each KING were mentioned from Where before Abraham met them..
GOD has a purpose why It was not writtten so
NO ONE (NATION) or leaders COULD Boast about the name of their KINGDOM
How GOD actually never wanted a KING
Only He allowed it when people ask it for Prophet Samuel..
All KINGs fail to Rule Jerusalem (City of Peace)
Even Herod Failed as KING
Because Wickedness of MAN to called as Ruler of A Nation
Because there is no Greater
Ruler and No Greater than King Solomon is the KING been Born!!
The Immanuel
And Herod was like KING of SODOM who wanted to Decieve.
God bless
Genesis 14:17-24
17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley).
18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying,
“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator of heaven and earth.
20 And praise be to God Most High,
who delivered your enemies into your hand.”
Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
21 The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the people and keep the goods for yourself.”
22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “With raised hand I have sworn an oath to the Lord, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, 23 that I will accept nothing belonging to you, not even a thread or the strap of a sandal, so that you will never be able to say, ‘I made Abram rich.’ 24 I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me-to Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Let them have their share.”
Sheba in Saudi Arabia is not Sheba in the East (Son of Joktan - meaning small man - Asians). Joktan who went eastward (Gen. 10:30) have three sons - Sheba, Ophir, and Havilah (Gen. 10:28-29).They established the kingdoms in the East (Jeremiah 25:22) where the Queen of Sheba came from. Yes, the Queen of Sheba came from the kingdom of Sheba which is part of the Isles which are in the uttermost part of the earth. The same place these wise men or kings came from. That is why Solomon knew there are gold in Ophir because they have contact with those kingdoms in that part of the earth. Remember also that to get to Ophir, it takes three years journey back and forth by ship. While journey to Sheba in Saudi Arabia doesnt take three years and can be travelled by land only. Another point is Saudi Arabia is Middle East not East or Far East. Note also that the wise men or kings knew about the prophesy of the coming Messiah, meaning they have the Holy scriptures (therefore they are not Arabs), they are Hebrews (descendants of Eber father of Joktan) and they spoke to Herod in plain Hebrew language.
Clark Wayne
The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which floats in the white triangle(symbolizes the Holy Trinity) which represents pureness which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
Hi Dr. Is Sheba in Arabia or in Africa?
Regarding King Solomon, is it not Queen of Sheba in Africa being referenced?
The Queen of Sheba was from Africa. I believe she was from modern day Ethiopia. I believe one of the Magi came from Sheba, the second Magi came from Arabia and the third Magi came from Asia. It would take 2 years for an Asian king to travel to Bethlehem.
Yea, also Sheba s territory was spread out from Ethiopia to areas in modern day Yemen, also frankincense comes from Ethiopia or is it Myrrh? I do believe one was from Ethiopia.It was part of prophecy so it had to happen! I read the plains of Bethlehem was lit up during Jesus birth from angels presence all around even Satan saw it and then off course stirred up trouble and hence Herods decree to kill the newborns.
At a walking pace that is way to keep... it is less than 300 days from the shores of the eastern China sea to Jerusalem. The trip would not take a year to organize... so why would the magai have taken 2 years to make a trip from Persia?
Basic math would indicate that the nearest they should be from is India and more likely from China coastline.
from the orient/fareast.. ophir now the philippines
lol Ph as far east only based on modern geography.
🙏🙏🙏
Good interpretation. God is Universal.
It took them one and a half to get there. Herod ordered all infants two years below to be killed. They travelled that long. Sheba is located in south eastern. Those wise men came from Sheba, Ophir and Tarsius--The isles of modern Philippines
The one question I've always had with the story of the 3 Kings (or Wisemen) was the Star of the East they followed to Jesus' place of birth Bethlehem. If they were from the East and the Star was from the East, logically it would have led them in the opposite direction away from Israel and Bethlehem. I never have seen or read anything that explains this apparent contradiction in the Bible? Can you explain?
Read the god culture..it was.explained there..you will.know there every thing
How about: it rise in the east so that kings/magus of east can be guided and it moved ahead of them towards west. Remember we are taking about a supernatural miracle, not about natural which is anyway inferior simply because they are for fallen men.
They’re not Persians or Arabians. Nor were they Iranians/Parthians. Zoroastrianism doesn’t believe in Jesus. However, it does preach belief in a messiah figure called the Saoshyant who will renovate the world & perfect it but this figure is prophesied to come from the blood/seed of Zoroaster and Jesus was Jewish, not Indo-Iranian.
The Bible does say they are kings. They came from the Orient/Far East (which the Bible refers to as “the ends of the earth), specifically the Philippines (which the Bible refers to as “the isles” or “Ophir, Sheba and Tarshish,” the 3 main islands. They were Hebrews, sons of Joktan (from the line of Eber, Salah, Arpachshad, Shem) who, fled to the east because they refused to bake bricks for the construction of the Tower of Babel, still followed the laws of Moses, and came back to their homeland to pay homage to their Messiah.
Read Psalm 72 KJV and you’ll find the answer.
...8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. 9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust. 10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba shall offer gifts...”
Why the Massacre of the Innocents (2 year olds)? Because Yahusha Jesus was already 2 when they finally arrived.
They came by way of the ships of Tarshish. They traveled by sea for the first leg of the journey, which takes a year and a half from the isles to the port in Ezion-Geber. From there they rode camels and traveled by land.
This is the same route that the Queen of Sheba took when she journeyed from Sheba to visit Solomon and gave him gold to build the temple.
Please do not confuse Sheba, son of Joktan from the line of Shem with Seba, son of Cush (Ethiopia) from the line of Ham.
name less
It so happens to be the land of creation: Elda, Havilah (derived from Havah, meaning Eve/Eva), and Ophir. It’s everywhere in the Bible, referred to as The Wilderness, The Ends of the Earth, The Uttermost Parts of the Earth, Mounts of the East, Coastlands, Qedem, Sephar, Zion. It will be the New Jerusalem, God’s Alpha and Omega, where he started life and where He will come back to redeem His chosen people: The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel. Read Isaiah 60:1-22 and pay close attention to verse 9. Maranatha, our Lord has come .
Wow ! That really fits !!! They needed to know the prophecy ... But were they learned in astronomy I wonder ? 🤔
@@jojackson1573Sounds like parents sent you to school then you always biting the pen then you've got " F " You want the exact documentation about Filipinos trade to Greece in A.D.I will write it.
• The early Filipinos had trade relations with the neighboring countries of Borneo, China, Japan, and Siam, Business was carried on chiefly by barter.
Long before the time of Columbus, Filipinos were already known in Mecca, and Egypt, the Balkans, Macedonia, and England as traders from the East.
As early as A.D. 31 the Ptolemy of Egypt, according to the records of ancient geographers, had knowledge of the traders from the East who were reputed to be honest,
intelligent, healthy in their earnest dealings. These traders were known as " Manila-men " because they
came from " Manila " or Maniola names encountered in the records
of the most ancient geographers. The word
" Manila" or " Maynila", according to the Chinese geographer Chau-Ju-Kua, came from word " Mai" the
name of all islands north of Borneo...
These traders exported to sinamay cloth, wax, mirrors, silk, sulphur, gold,
silver, and pearls. They established their trading on the Koramandel and Malabar coast...
Professor Austin Craig, eminent student of Philippine history, said that
the ancient traders of the Philippines exported sinamay cloth to Greece in
A.D. 21 and Strabo, a Roman geographer of the First Century, referred to the commodity as " Ta see
sika ", or flex combed from
the trees. Manila hemp was well known to the Caesars of Rome, and sinamay cloth was once sold to the museum of Dresden, Germany for its antiquity. 🇵🇭
in the Bible KSA region is not the East! East region in the Bible like Japan, Philippine and Malaysia. "Orient"
The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which floats in the white triangle(symbolizes the Holy Trinity) which represents pureness which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
You haven't mentioned about Balthazar and the others. There is a tradition in Kerala that one of the wise men was from India and is mentioned in the Gospel of Thomas, Gondapher
Caucasian Western Christianity (especially Protestant and Catholic, especially AMERICAN Protestant and AMERICAN Catholic) is so ridiculously insular and inward looking, it’s almost a cult.
One of the Magi is from Africa (Ethiopia).
Herod the Great have severe paranoia due to the fact that he is appointed due to large business affairs with the Roman empire, and that was he did NOT came from the house (lineage) of David.
He was outwitted by the wise men who was warned through dream not to return to Herod
(Matthew 2:12) and killed every male child in Bethehem and its vicinity who were 2 years and younger (Matthew 2:16).
Sheba is located in Ethiopia
Could you say something about their names? At my parish, we have a stained glass window of them, and for some reason, it names them, and I don't know where they are getting that. Also, would you say they attest to the veracity of astrology? How could a star mean anything to them?
I think the astrology question is a good one. The ancient Greeks were mostly against it, preferring auguaries from birds, if my history is right. But Astrology caught on in the Hellenized world by the time of the early Church, having learned it from Babylonians and Egyptians. This made me think, before Dr. Pitre's explanation, that the magoi were from Babylon.
To see and hear in the spirit, one must live and walk in the spirit as living in the spirit is about symbolism and parables so give this a listen:
The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which floats in the white triangle(symbolizes the Holy Trinity) which represents pureness which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
so how about "May the kings of Tarshish and of the isles"psalm 72:10 is that beyond the arabian teritory or maybe beyond china...
They were Buddhists from India seeking the reincarnation of a Tulku. Jesus later travelled to India to study Dharma which he brought back and taught which threatened the Jewish teaching.
OT canon Books of Tobit and Daniel tell us that the Magi were: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. So yes, there are only 3. There are only 3 archangels mentioned by name in the canon of Scripture. Azariah (Abednego) is the son of the great Hananiah (Shadrach). Azariah, having gone incognito for all or most of the trip, finally confessed to Tobias, "I am Raphael, 1 or 7 who stand in the presence of Almighty God.". Raphael is God's healing angel and so God used Raphael to exorcise a demon from Sarah and heal Tobit's blindness. Hananiah means "God favors" and so God used Hananiah (Gabriel) to make the ANNUNCIATION to the Virgin Mary. Mishael/Michael (Meshach) is the commander of the armies of heaven and so God used him to make the ANNUNCIATION to the Virgin Joan (of Arc) that she would bear a son called the sacred kingdom of France, "... the Tribe of Judah of the New Covenant." -- Pope Saint Pius X. See Revelation 12. Michael is of course the commander of the armies of heaven, so who better to train the virgin teenage girl Joan of Arc about the art/science of waging war and cannon warfare (an emerging technology). The Magi traveled EAST to WEST because salvation proceeds from EAST to WEST in the heavenly tabernacle: [WEST] Holy of Holies
The church of the Nativity has ancient paintings on the walls. These paintings were done at a much closer time to Jesus' birth. Those three wise men were dressed in Persian garments - shouldn't we draw the conclusion that they came from Persia?
You did not read the first sentence that says " May the King of Tarshish and of the isles render him tribute". Where is this isles? This is multitude of isles, many isles. Read the scriptures carefully and sentence by sentence. Don't skip anything. Who is this Sheba, Seba, Watch the series Solomon's gold and if you don't agree then you can call the author of that video and tell them that they are wrong. You have to prove it.
I don't know with these so called scholar in the scriptures. They were trying too hard to interpret the most obvious text the plainly states the location. South of Saudi Arabia is not the only South in the World Map. And it is not located in the East either. Can you try South and East together you can come up with South East ... Remember that Saudi and the nearby nations are called THE MIDDLE EAST so it means there are nations outside of the Middle east pointing to the east of it. And Mind you Saudi Arabia doesn't have Isles in the Sea.
Paloko ka naman sa author na yun. Tanga lng maniwala, muslim ang pinas b4 1521.
Mathew never mention kings but wise man.
@@dennismorales7212 arabia po not saudi arabia bogok. Arabia meaning the arabian state those that speak arabic.
@@sucreygalgo8071 pano mo nasabi muslim ang pinas noon. Lumad ang tawag sa mga tao sa mainland ng mindanao compose of diff. tribes tulad, bilaan,tivoli, matigsalog, bagobo,manobo,mandaya at marami pang iba. Lahat yan na tribo na nabangit ko ay di mga muslim o moro. Falls claim nila yan na sila may ari ng mindanao. Dahil ang totoo bago inimbrace ng mga moro ang islam ang talagang totoong teritoryo nila ay julo-sulo, tawi-tawi at basilan. Lahat yan ay mga isla.
We're they astrologers....?
The book The Life of Mary as Seen by the Mystics states that is were THREE KINGS. And tradition has it the St Thomas converted them to Christianity. Apparently they are saints in the Catholic Church and their remains are in the world's largest reliquary in Germany
Not Arabians. I am pretty sure an arab is simply one who lives in the desert. Rather these were the Nabateans who were camel traders and whose home city was in the east at Petra. See the work of Dan Gibson. He writea about Koranic geography.
DJ Cudworth, try this for symbolism:
The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which floats in the white triangle(symbolizes the Holy Trinity) which represents pureness which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
Well done. Scripture interprets scripture. It's the only way.
No. It's not the only way.
How do you know that the Bible is the word of God without an authority outside the bible to tell you so?
Does the bible tell you how many books are supposed to be in it?
The Bible itself says that not everything our Lord did is written; Jn 20:30, 21:25.
And it also criticises personal interpretation, upon which sola scriptura is based; 1st Pet 1:20,21.
In the New Testament we have Old Testament scripture quotes that do not appear anywhere in the Old Testament that we have. What does that say about the nature of scripture?!
@@el-sig2249 Since, in this instance, the question is finding out who the "Sons of God" are who are mentioned in the Bible (Gen. Chp 6), the only authority available on this issue is the Bible. If you don't believe in the Bible, the question is moot from the beginning because you don't actually believe what was said in the first place (in Gen chp. 6).
In such cases, it matters little if the account is fact or fiction. If you were reading fiction, a Sci-fi novel e.g., and it mentioned Superman, the only way to know who this Superman in the novel was - would be by finding out from the novel.
In this case of history long lost to mankind, except in the Bible, your only choice is either to query said Bible, or reject all of it. If you don't believe the Bible, why you even wonder about these "Sons of God" is beyond me.
So, I don't quite understand your objection to my statement. Sorry!
Scripture can interpret scripture to a point, but only when viewed in full overall context of what the entirety of scripture says about things.
@@BB-kt5eb There are things in scripture that remain difficult and not clearly defined, and there are many black and white things that a harmonious collection of scripture reveal clearly. Unfortunately, I know of no church that lets its dogma be guided by scripture as a rule. All of the denominations are full of error with points of truth peppering their dogma. To find instances where truth is permitted to shine through is refreshing but uncommon.
The sad thing here is that when shown the clear scriptural evidence that contradicts church dogma, the churches (and their 'scholars') refuse to admit their error and correct their teaching. As scripture says about sin, it ensnares the sinners so that they get bound by it.
@@Grandliseur So who has the knowledge and authority to correct them? Certainly our Lord did not live suffer and die so that we continue to argue about His teaching. There has to be an infallible authority or else the arguments never end.
Look up the Book of the 3 Kings.
Something strange..
There can be no such things that Arabia can be called east because they known how to read map since before. And arabia is belong in middle east. The east refer about the gentile wisemen. The believer of Jesus Christ. No other place it refers in the Bible mention about the east, no other than Philippines.
Sheba is said to be in Ethiopia not Arabia.
I know the Ethiopians say that, but not sure how accepted it is. There are some extra-scriptural writings that provide more detail about the Queen of Sheba's visit to Solomon, and of course the theory that the Ark of the Old Covenant now is in that one Ethiopian town (forget the name), but as far as I know, there is no scholarly consensus any of that is true.
Eutopia is not islands and Sheba is not land it's a,queen and brother of ophir the sons of yoktan
The Queen's travel 3 years back and fort by the sea. Is Ethiopia even an island ? Or does she even need to travel that long ? Indeed you got the country wrong...
This guy is very good. Very good at guiding his listeners to where he wants them to be, in line with the Catholic narrative.
He said of the "Magos". It literally means "wise men", a very good translation".
Not according to The Catholic Education Resource Center which gives four meanings for "Magi" and "wise men" or "king" is not among them.
"A member of the priestly class of ancient Persia, where astrology and astronomy were prominent in Biblical times; (2) one who had occult knowledge and power, and was adept at dream interpretation, astrology, fortune-telling, divination, and spiritual mediation; (3) a magician; or (4) a charlatan,"
When Dr. Petre attempts to support his theory he goes to the Old Testament for evidence.
However, he makes no mention that the Magi were "astrologers, fortune tellers, interpreters of dreams, divination or having occult knowledge, all these things condemned by God in the OT and those practicing were subject to death.
Next, he attempts to redraw the map of Asia by saying that Sheba is to the East of Israel where it is actually to the south.
I've noticed in a few of his videos he is an expert at misleading his listeners by using similar deceptive reasoning.
They definitely weren’t from D.C., for various reasons…
Wise men from the east, orient are from Ophir Philippines. Fyi, the old name of Philippines is Ophir, Sheba and Havilah.
The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
Basal Node AuMastokamak. The 3 stars I thought means Luzon, Visaya, Mindanao.
The three stars are luzon, visayas and mindanao bagsak.
As a Filipino, I would prefer to wait for further discoveries and evidence about the past alongside an unbiased look on our pre-colonial past. I don't want to see a "we wuz" situation here.
Kapal ng mga mukha sabihing galing pinas ang 3 wise man.
But Arabia is south. Seba is south
Yes as in "queen of the south" as Jesus stated.
They were Indian rishis.
From the isles of the orient means many islands.now called philippines.
lol biblical authors have no knowldge on modern geography. you should study ancient and biblical geography for this.
They were also Zoroastrians
located in the Far East: China, Hong Kong, Macau, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Mongolia, Siberia, Taiwan, Brunei, Cambodia, East Timor, Malaysia, Laos, Indonesia, Myanmar, Singapore, Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam.
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The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which floats in the white triangle(symbolizes the Holy Trinity) which represents pureness which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
Speaking of the Orient.... This topic is for the Wiseman only .why would somebody study Bible when he can't even tell simple ancient geography? Did the world orientation change already I was not inform Hahaha those so called scholars...the author of the song is indeed correct...the origin of the location of the Wiseman is indeed not important to once salvation but for the fact that they got it all so wrong from the very start will make you doubt whose teacher you would listen to...be careful where they will lead you...they don't even know where the Wiseman come from...
Do you at least know the definition of a God, that too a LIVE God?. Evolution of of mind is also a live work of God.
If so, they are from Arabia, how is that they are not a Christian country? If they believe of the Messiah Jesus Christ, how come they did not adopt Christianity?
Good point.
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respectfully this gentleman is not correct! The land of Sheba was located and still is to the south WEST of the Jerusalem and not to the east of Jerusalem. Also just because these men came from Sheba or other parts of the EAST does not mean they were not Persian because at that time Persian empire was Dominant in all 3 continents and therefore the three Kings could have been of Persian importance.
Three kings from philippines bcause it took them 2 years to get there...and philippines has 3 kingdoms but united.and all the gift mentioned...philippines has that.now a days philippines is discovering items that tells of her past,long long time before the spanish.history lied to us filipino..
The three Magis actually came each from the most eastern part of the continent, ie. China, Japan, and South Korea.. They went to Betlehem as Kim Jong emperor told them, but they didn't realize that they were only agents sent to locate the exact position by star, meanwhile the insane emperor prepared nukes so he could destroy the whole town...
Where is the oriental of the east? Also we know the pearl of the orient or better watch the God's Culture Series!
3 wise men from the East , frm Philippines!!!!😊😊😊 They travel 2 years to seek Jesus, to worship and bring gifts .
It is in our DNA to give gifts , especially if you travel frm afar especially to met relatives.In Philippines Culture we call it PASALUBONG.(Gift) and our generousity.
Philippines is first CHRISTIAN nation in ASIA. bcz our ancestor 3 wise men , already to knowJESUS .They were guided by God through Angels, STAR , and DREAM. It is in FILIPINO DNA , who love JESUS CHRIST!!!😊😄😊
Aside Philippines is LAND OF THE ORIENT.
And of course. Ophir the LAND OF GOLD as written in book of Kings.(Magellan record tells) , direction proof that Ophir is Phil.
At present , Philippines hav largest deposite of Gold.(Marcos gold)
If time will come this Poor Country now know as developing country will come to RISE,...its GOD WHO LIFTED UP. !!!! Glory to God .amen💖💖💖
ps. Its satan work to make us poor, by sending 2 powerful nation to oppress Philippine, enslave and siphon the wealth of the land.😩😩😩.
Jesus said," My strenght is sufficient for your weakness". amen
Your nation is enslaved by catholicism. It was spanish catholics that looted your country, and every other country they invsded. And now you still believe in catholicism. Catholicism is not Christianity.
The bible no where says three Magi, it says Wise Men and no where does it mention three. They theorize from the three gifts. Sad we do not stick to what the Bible says period. Daniel was a wise man and in Daniel 2:27 he makes a distinction between the Wise Men, Astrologers, magicians and soothsayers. Daniel and his companions weren't magi, short for magicians, they were Wise Men. Let the bible interpret the bible.
You have to use a compass ...where is the Orient.. east.. Lost mind...
Very plausible
Watch God Culture. the Mideast is not the whole world. the bible is talking about the whole world. the east part of the world. they made a very long journey that is why when they got to Jerusalem Yehusha is almost 2 years old or maybe 2+. Why are you guys can't accept the truth especially europeans. That the real truth is Philippines is Ophir the part of the land of creation.
They look down on dark skin.
you're right but they are pretending that they are not looking down on us. like the way they erase our history. I know how they started it bit by bit to erase our history. but tell you what God knows what's going to happened that is why he had the bible written though it was twisted by the jesuits.
@@edwinmasangkay3853 Hello and greetings, have to say I detect more anti-catholic propaganda and nonsense, so how exactly was the Bible twisted by the Jesuits? Peace.
I’m Filipino too, and I used to believe that the Philippines is Ophir, but now I know that the claim that the Philippines is Ophir is bullcrap. I’m not saying that it’s impossible, but there’s little evidence. The only reason why you believe that the Philippines is Ophir is because you’re Filipino, and you’re looking for excuses for your pinoy pride.
Pinagloloko lang kayo ng god culture na yan isa din yan sa mga gumagamit sa ngalan ng diyos para makabingwit ng pera. Wala kayong makikitang frankensence at myrr sa pinas at tsaka pinas lang ba ang may gold? Punta kayo middle east nakahelera ang mga gold duon.
Last time I looked, there are no isles in Arabia. Explain why Tarshish and isles (plural) equate to Arabia. You got the wrong Sheba.
Wow, How can you make sense of this? A 2 year journey of the three Kings and they came from Babylon, or the sorounding area, which is just ONE MONTH journey. I would call that a fake news. Plsam 72: 10-15 tells us more about these Kings so we would not be fooled. there's a reason why They have to come from the east queen of Sheeba not from false Sheba located west of Israel ,which is Etheopia. The real Queen of Sheba from the east brought the finist gold to build the house of God the king Solomon's temple. Now these Kings from the east brought the finist gold to offer to our savior Jesus Christ. The Kings also came there to worship , WHO? To worship our savior Jesus Christ. Not Mary and Not Joseph for they are not God. Now look deeper in history who have been mining gold since 300 bc . That is Ophir. The only nation the Spanish erase its history and replace it with false narratives. Ancient nation call these island in the east the land of Gold.
Orient is East, where Jesus mentioned is in the far off land, at the end of the earth. Middle east is definitely not Orient.
Just as the kings of Tarshish, of the isles and of Sheba played a pivotal role during the birth of Yahusha Jesus, the people from the isles will play an important role in the end times. This is what Isaiah 60 means. It’s not about the birth of Yahusha. The book of Isaiah is a prophetic book about the millennial kingdom of Yahusha Jesus when Israel is lifted up from among all nations. You can’t just lift snippets of verses from it and allude it to the birth of the Messiah. You have to read the whole chapter (60:1-22) to understand that Isaiah did not write it for his time, or to prophesy the birth of Jesus. He was talking about the regathering of Israel. All the verses are intertwined with each other that chopping it up or going back and forth will totally confuse whoever is watching the video. Focus on verse 9 - “Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.”
Pamela Flavell Jesus loves symbolism as living in the spirit is all about speaking in parables, so give this a listen:
The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which floats in the white triangle(symbolizes the Holy Trinity) which represents pureness which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
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The wise men came form the Philippines. Sheba is in the Philippines too.
watch Gods cultute and you learn more. they travel almost two years.
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The 3 kings are represented as the 3 stars in the Philippine-flag surrounding the life giving sun which is essentially God Himself. And God Almighty likes the colors blue and scarlet and when you combine both, you’d get the purple which is also his favorite color and of course the stars and the sun are in yellow/gold which floats in the white triangle(symbolizes the Holy Trinity) which represents pureness which is also one of his favorite color combinations that he ordered His tabernacle to be in.
Yup, if is fr the phils
...from the east,from ophir...ophir is philippines,,not from saudi arabia...WATCH GOD CULTURE TO LET KNOW ABOUT IT...
Ayosin mo tinga mo he never mention saudi Arabia rather arabian nation those that speak arabic.
They came from isles of ophir and sheba tarshis landed in port of eziongeber then ride camel to Jerusalem haha
The world doesn't just revolve around middle east come on where is your so called bible scholarly studies?
The wise men came from the present day Philippines. ..the oriental island of not just thr the East but far east. ...anyway goodluck for your ancient geography and ancients names of nations. ...
Chris Joebert Prieto Rise up Ophirians! Mabuhay ang Maharlikans!
Early church history never talked about your Philippines, its your new made story
Sojan Joseph its because Philippines is a modern name. But the ancient name of our country is Ophir, Sheba and Havilah.
Sojan Joseph Are you a moron?
The title is orient
Watch the GODS CULTURE..much better so you will know the Truth
East obviously orient, far East simple question with a simple answer... Arabia is middle east not fits. Pls use your simple logic... Pls do watch the Solomon gold series.. By THE GOD CULTURE.. and be bless!
Gifts of electricity, antibiotics and rock and roll from the West would have been better.
Yup it’s true the 3 wisemen were from the Philippines!🇵🇭
Watch The God Culture ...
Meron bang isles ang Saudi arabia... ?! Hahahaha
Wrong interpretation sir
You are avoiding to mention the isle's why? And Matthew also mentioned the tarshis and ophir your absolutely far from being a professor
This guy is trying too hard to sell old idea ; Catholic ... scholar...Ph D ,,, Catholic ...most likely Jesuit 💀
Please challenge findings of "The God Culture" ✌️
John Manuel i agree
He's a reliable theologian and a good one if you listen to his other lectures, unlike whatever you're shilling.
He doesnt wear a habit, he is obviously not a Jesuit. I think that, and your lack of a statement makes very clear the quality of your opinion.
orient...
is arabia. orient..
fool..
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. You don't have to agree with him but why the insult? You need a change of heart.