Riding The Energica Ego Corsa MotoE Electric Racebike
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2020
- The day following the 2019 MotoGP season finale, Trizzle got the chance to test ride the Energica Ego Corsa MotoE racebike at the Valencia circuit. Now, four months later, and with the world basically at a halt to deal with the Coronavirus, we've finally had a chance to piece the video of the experience together. To read my written thoughts about the Ego Corsa, be sure to read my written review here: www.motorcycle.com/manufactur...
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What's in your bike?
Engine
What's in yours?
"A Fridge"
lol
A fridge is probably lighter lmao.
If I were able to afford it, I would like to have one of these as a second bike in my garage.
👍🏼 An Enérgica Ribelle is my primary bike and my FZ-07 is my secondary bike.
Hi Troy thanks for covering electric motorcycles and bringing a racing view point to the table. I've been seeing the newest company to get into the early stages of the game, Damon. I would love to see a test ride review (with track time) of their Hypersport model. The bike looks fantastic but I'm wary of some of their claimed specs. I'd trust you to give it a fair look.
Thanks.
12:45 - Re. they could use a smaller battery: One thing about higher capacity batteries is that they tend to also have higher ampacity. In other words, they could reduce the capacity (and therefore weight) but they might also reduce the amount of current the pack could put out, which means less torque and power. I'm sure they're studying the heck out of the numbers right now.
That was fun thanks for the video....
when battery state of charge goes down so does peak power. if they went until battery is empty they wouldn't be at full power the entire race and it would look weird for the fans to watch the bikes get progressively slower and finish at a snail pace.
My home has solar and a 14 kWh powerwall battery that runs my house at night. So I am double the solar energy. I save $600/month on home electricity and gas as I have an EV. I am very interested in a low maintenance EV motorcycle.
what kind of "house" can run on 14 kWh? a cottage, maybe. during the summer running the house along with swimingpool nets around 70-110 kWh depending how much i run the AC and how much i need to warm up said pool.
test-ride a ZERO, maybe a FX .?
I test-rode one and liked it very much.
I live on UK. Last time I saw the Sun was last summar. For 1 day.
@@_TrueDesire_ Not only that, but what did the Unit cost and to install, total divided by savings per month = how many months to break even. Then and only then are you saving. and with in a ten year max., if not sooner, period that battery unit will need full replacement. It ain't all roses and sunlight and unicorns.
Batteries usually last longer when u avoid full discharges in between races
Yeah but 40% is a little excessive. 10% ie fine . I’m guessing they have to design for the longest circuit in the season .
Perhaps that rear pumping sensation was because you weren't giving it enough throttle to load up the spring enough to get the rear to squat and stay loaded up at corner exit, if you think about it that way, it kind of makes sense. The tune is probably done in relation to that as well so the riders can use as much throttle as possible at corner exit without breaking traction.
You know, I hadn't thought of that. Very good point.
Funny you noticed the rear shock pogo-ing. I race an Alta Redshift MXR in Motocross/Arenacross and had a heck of a time finding a good rebound, compression and revalve setting on the shock to avoid the exact same issue and get comfortable at race speed. I think all the rotating mass of an ICE motor calms the rear and leaves suspension tuners scratching their heads when comparing the Dyno charts with a similar piston bike without actually riding the electric bike.
Your comments on the weight and stability remind me of why the ZX7R(R) was such a long running and successful bike, its stability in corners.
If they reduced the pack size and maintained voltage, then the demand from the motor might overtax the cells, create too much heat and destroy them much faster. I'm not sure what voltage they run, but they also might not be able to reduce the pack size without reducing the voltage, in which case you'll have less power.
^^this^^ The pack is sized for consistent power delivery, not necessarily range. If the pack was smaller, the sustained power would also be lower.
Your review was very good: Your introduction was great, I liked your slide transitions, your knowledge and technical spec description was very well spoken and good with the segues. I do suggest visiting the native annunciation of Öhlins to avoid viewers distractions when you say the company name how you do, but please know I'm not trying to make fun or be an asshole, I simply think it would take less away from the great content you created with a slight tweak once you visit the Swedish tones and see how their company name is pronounced. Keep up the great work.
ICE motors have 100 years of evolution. Batteries and tech will improve
Scott Campbell The battery was invented over 200 yrs ago.
@@rzu7120 sure but its weight only problem since mobile phones...
@@rzu7120 lithium ion battery?
ICE engines are still evolving. Compression ignition, opposed piston engines, Atkinson cycles, multi-displacement, multi-compression, cam-less, fuel stratified injection, dual injection, etc. Even liquid fuels have evolved. While ICE engines still have about 50% head worth left of efficiency to pursue, electric motors have already nearly peaked out and still can't deal with all the downsides of battery limitations (weight, space, life-cycle, hideously filthy manufacturing, shortage of lithium, time to recharge, infrastructure limitations, COST, not to mention requires most of the same energy sources that ICE engines access to use). Unless battery tech TRIPLES in capacity, charge speed, and reduces weight by 50%, reduces cost by 50%, it's not practical to compare to liquid fuels. Now gas is dropping below $2/gal where I live at the writing of this post, and I can drive over 420 miles, fill in 5 minutes, and drive another 420 miles in an $18,000 very practical car that will last 200,000 miles with basic maintenance, can easily be repaired in most any place, can easily get parts from most anywhere.
@@exothermal.sprocket they're not evolving for sheer performance anymore. they're evolving to survive in governments that are trying to take them away. very different things.
Battery size will decrease while capacity increases. Seems like almost daily that new battery patents are filed and new battery achievements are announced. Even oil companies are renaming to energy companies and investing in battery tech startups and R&D.
The motor is NOT water cooled. The inverter is. Your own video shows the water pump and water hoses from the radiator to the inverter. The battery is air cooled. The motor is not requiring cooling, but it is in oil which helps with any possible heating/friction.
the bike has so much energy in the battery after a race probably because they needed more battery cells to increase the voltage to meet the power demand of the motor. 400 amps is quite a bit, and at over 200HP, you're becoming limited by voltage. The only way to get more voltage is more cells. The motor doesn't look liquid cooled either to me. It looks more like the controller is cooled. Motors don't generally produce a lot of heat. Controllers and batteries do.
The Motor is oil cooled, the inverter is watercooled by that radiator in the front. ;)
On the street, I’m happy to use as much of my 21.5kWh battery as needed 🔋
You have an electric bike
.. Beta
I'm an e-bike rider - off-road - and minimal weight is pretty critical. I don't race but I need to handle the bikes when I tip over on technical terrain. If money was no object, I'd love the idea of trading off a lower capacity battery for less weight.
I only ride for about 1 hour and also tend to come home with a lot of spare capacity. For example, I have 3 short rides on my new Ultra Bee and I've still got 37% battery capacity! I can probably get one more ride out of it before needing to recharge.
My bikes are a Surron Storm Bee (130kg) and a Surron Ultra Bee (85kg). I think each could shave 10kg - 20kg with a lower capacity battery. I could keep my full capacity batteries as backups for when I need them.
What's the weight difference between the race version and the road legal one ?
people keep bashing this series not realizing they are pretty much the equivalent of stock 600cc bikes, and if they would be allowed to do qualifying laps with just the needed battery capacity they would show their true potential. Besides, a motogp engineered level electric bike could give the conventional ones a run for their money on a ten lap race even today.
The weight is probably a good thing if you can control it. More weight equals more traction equals faster and tighter turns. Instant accelerations means quick out of the turns.
Way cool. Bikes are really catching up to EV cars
That's exciting that they are open to others entering MotoE after the contract is done. I can think of Damon with the Hypersport that is much less weight, 200hp, 200miles and 200mph advertised. I believe the ready to ride weight was 400ish pounds
Damon, Lightning, and Energica in the future
Energica is doing pretty good. While there is no news about Damon and lightning from so many months. Damon and lightning are alive or dead?🧐🤔
As battery tech improves ...only sky will be the limit
Cool
Heavier than my old x j nine hundred f , bet its a flying machine though
Im jealous on your video 😄 But you did well.. no bla bla BS. It really seems the speaker got a clue about motorcycles 👍🏼. And he adress the main topics with no stupid excuses. Based on my expereince with the Energica EGO sport... The battery voltage is lower on a lower state of charge, hehe make sense Sherlock right 😉. So below 40 or 30 % the bike is not that brutal agressive anymore. The MOTO E race would end in a energy saveing eco tour which would look wery boring. So the decicion was right in my view. the race is wery entertaining with no boring laps who everyone try to hold their position.
Wish you wouldn't have talked the entire time.. I wanted to hear a lap on the bike with no commentary
It's mainly wind noise. That's pretty distracting too.
@@TroySiahaan The bike's transmission with its straight-cut gears is actually quite loud. My 2020 Ego resonates at about 38 mph & 55 mph, at those speeds it can be freaking loud.
Single gear? Bike looks great
Yep, no shifting!
Is it fully automatic?
Late comment but, the soft start, you kind of want that, otherwise that beast will take off and leave you floating in mid air like Wiley Coyote on one of his Acme Rockets. It helps prevent too harsh of wheelies or gizzard stretching takeoffs. Also, the 'feeling' you want sort of a regulated initial excelleration and not like you got hit with a wrecking ball or shot out of a gun with this lurching startup.
Love watching these bikes race and hearing them would be much better if Matt Dunn would deliver his race commentary in more hush tones like Neil.
the reason they use such a big battery is cost. when you totally drain a battery and when you fully charge it you "drain" the life span of it. Usually a battery like that will last for 1200 charge cycles 0-100%. So they will last more than the motor itself probably in race conditions.
Yeah, there should definitely not be 40% left at the end. Maybe needed for worst case track in series?
Probably has to do with battery longevity. They're stressing it less by not pushing it all the way / leaving headroom. Current batteries need a lot of management, pretty much all electric road cars have a hidden overhead capacity too, just not as much since they aren't being stressed as much. Another point is likely to prevent any noticable voltage sag and power drop by the end of the race. Many custom electric skateboards have bigger batteries than necessary to prevent voltage sag.
Well the bikes recharge themselves on deceleration hence the left over charge.
Hai Troy..Are U Indonesian?because your last name is Siahaan.
In my country Indonesia,Siahaan comes from North Sumatera.
40% left means battery is at 60% in race so has full power drop below 40% and power will drop off, yep in future batteries will drop in weight. I ride 226Kg Zero SRF.......incredible fun
A little cleaner and quieter than 2strokes for sure. Loud and Dirty
The races should have more laps if 40% of the battery is left. The races are too short at this point.
Troy siahaan ? Are you from Indonesia
Gue kira juga gitu temen e pangeran siahaan paling yak
While they're on the Energica bikes, they should advance lap numbers. If the minimum battery fraction left after a race is x, increase the next season's lap numbers by x/(1-x). If its 35%, next years races are 0.35/0.65= 53% longer.
Ideally, in the future there will be multiple manufacturer's involved. Batteries may never have the energy density of petrol, but halve the MotoGP lap numbers, and give the teams license to evolve. New battery chemistries, new motor designs, lighter setups. This is how you advance the engineering for street bikes. Maybe the best riders will become those that can learn their bike's quirks intimately, and squeeze a few more kWh out of their batteries. That's a good thing.
Completely draining a battery that large is a big no no. Also, it would be extremely dangerous to risk one of those things dying at full speed, much more so than a gas powered bike as the deceleration would be drastic and basically instant.
The camera should be mounted on the cockpit. The view from the helmet does not give a positive experience.
The reason being 40% battery can still PRODUCE the top speed, while trying to have a race at 2% won't. the bikes will be crawling along at 50mph if you did that, and the race would no longer be a race anyway since the rider skill is stripped from the equation and everyones just inching forward for 20 minutes and juice runs out at different times all along the track... it would be a huge and boring mess. That's not a race, that's a Top Gear experiment.
You aren't supposed to completely drain electric batteries for longevity... Ppl say not to charge your batteries/phone to 100% also.
Why a 40 % State of Charge (SoC) at the end of the race ?
Because of "Voltage Sag" : when the SoC decreases, you can no longer ask the battery to deliver its nominal voltage.
And less volts means less kWs, because Power = Volt x Amp.
Well-known phenomena among Tesla's users :
Adigitalnomad . net did a test entitled "Things stop working when Tesla battery gets low" : 20-70 mph with a Tesla Model S at Soc 5%.
Result : 8 s, roughly 4 times more than the performance of a fully charged Model S.
High performance one make race. Jest as formula e started.
Exactly. Look at Formula E now. MotoE would be thrilled if they could copy that success.
I like big bats and I can not lie.
kitna deti hai?
my man.. jai hind 🇮🇳
Electric hai bhai. Puch ki kitni dur jaati hai ek full charge pe? Ya kitna chalti hai?
Lightning makes the faster electric bike
That bike's a scam, no one actually has one. Energica's and Zero's are everywhere
@@Juuul89 Ls-218 has 200 hp (150 kW)
168 lb⋅ft (228 N⋅m)
and (225 kg) (wet). You can order it...
@@Nekminute Just try to.
@@Nekminute Just google it man there's a ton of stories of poeple who tried to buy one and got scammed. Meanwhile try to find an owners video or post on any social media about one, there are none
Yes, but could they provide the production, the safety, the durability, the experience, the support, the quality, or the longevity that circuit racing demands?
7 e-moto manufacturers competed to supply moto-e bikes- while there are other great electric moto manufacturers, Energica was chosen because it could deliver on the demands of world class moto racing better than others could at the time of selection. Based on what I’ve learned about the company, I think moto-e made the right choice.
2:33
If they really want this series to succeed they should add and MP3 player, a few speakers and a 2 stroke sound track!
Just wait for solid state batteries going main stream and ice engines will be phased out. That tech is coming sooner than most think. 2030 is right around the corner
Can’t compare with gasoline engines.