A big mistake podcasts make when discussing the Pro is believing people are really thinking "a ps5 pro or a pc ?" when those are 2 different ways of playing. All the dunking on the pro has been from pc players mostly in fact. On another note, the pro isnt gonna shine on Sony games because they were already running great and lookin great. The problems have always been on 3rd party games. Dragons Dogma 2 looks crazy on Pro vs base PS5 for example
Nano is wrong. The disc drive is available on PS Direct (I purchased mine with my Pro), and I just went to Walmart and they had 2 available. It is not out of stock.
Got the ps5 pro at GameStop for 454 U.S. after tax. I went through my latge collection and trades in games they actually gave 50% trade credit on compared to value. Also 25 off if you spend 250, 25 dollars redeemed in points and 5 dollar monthly reward. Now i have ps5 in loving room and ps5 pro in sons room. Ill be getting him an oled tv for christmas❤️
Being a fan of the Three Idiots & friends crew and of the Spawncast/Spawn Wave crew, it's awesome seeing Nano crossover again. I'd love to see someone like Doto and his horrendous takes on the podcast would be great lmao
Nano is wrong. Most people care about resolution and how good a game looks. Only nerds like us care about framerates. 99% of gamers are casuals and only care about graphics, GTA6 will be 30 fps but it will look gorgeous as all hell because thats what the majority of "gamers" want.
The PS Start wallet funds situation is really vexing specially considering that in here redeeming the games is basically a scam, costed SEVERAL times more than redeeming wallet funds, not to mention its nearly impossible to do it unless you buy a total of 50+ full priced games in a year.
I wouldn’t be waiting on getting the Pro until GTA 6. At best then you get 2-3 years with it at most and I already feel 4 years is already too short for hardware that costs this much.
sony sorta tried doing FPS boost for PS4 games. A few games were updated to 60fps like ratchet and clank 2016 and TLOU2. But my guess is it’s on a developer basis, and sony can’t just improve any ps4 game.
As a huge final fantasy fan, it’s reason enough for me to upgrade. I finished remake, and then I decided to take a break with Metaphore. FF7 rebirth is waiting in my backlog. It does look really good.
The pro is amazing. I care about getting the best I can out of a console but if you find with the old dusty and blurry PS5 stick with that or if you just can't afford it get the old PS5.
This is probably so nitpicky and inconsequential for most peoples but for the ps5 pro; still no Dolby Vision. Come on now. Even smaller no 4:4:4 chroma sub sampling. Let alone the disc drive. Come on Sony. 😆
@@kylebookout1789 and u still need hdmi 2.1 to use rgb colors for hdr due to hdmi 2.0 limitation speeds like wtf series x can do it with 2.0, makes no sense
30:00 genuinely can't think of anything worse Sony could do than greenlighting Bloodborne 2 by BLUEPOINT (barf 🤢🤮). I'm not even a huge souls or fromsoft guy anymore, but Gavin Moore's interviews on Demon's Souls are without question some of the most insipid and baffling comments ever made by a game designer. I love Bloodborne and that guy and his team are the perfect embodiment of the kinds of people I'd NEVER want touching any property that mattered to me. absolute shame that Sony's fandom is now so broad and dull on average that all that the loudest contingents of it really care about (or even comprehend) anymore is unreal tech demo tier graphical fidelity for their box of plastic.
56:45 ‼️Pro 80% price increase for 15% noticeable real world performance increase is 🤪‼️ Sony cash grab while “Beta” testing pssr & ai upscaling to be fully integrated in PS6 releasing in 3-4yrs
"Why is COD and Madden noy on GOTY every year for their success"... vs Black Myth Wukong... a game that came from a Indie studio whose first game they made had THIS MUCH SUCCESS... and chinese games don't always get much exposure and success in the West... it kinda feels like there is always something to excuse why Chinese games don't get recognized. And you may be forgetting Black Myth because so few people want to talk about it, not because the game is undeserving for at least a recognition. It is a huge deal what Black Myth has done and people want to go with the flow that the game was a flash in the pan nothing burger because of weird controversies and it's a chinese single player game, who despite selling amazing in China, doesn't mean much in the west is hugely dismissive in so many ways.
I hope he played Immortals of Aveum at the max settings. They added a 120hz mode and you can turn Vsync off and they added FSR3 for frame generation. The game looks great and plays smooth at those settings if you have a 120hz VRR tv on the Pro5.
Don’t really think the PS5 Pro is worth it unless you don’t have a PS5 or you’re just an enthusiast for PlayStation. Also nice to see Nano back. Definitely wouldn’t mind Nano appearing more in the podcast.
1-Sell your ps5 for ps5 for 300-350 and save big for the pro. 2- $70 dollar games and $700 dollars are not huge amounts of money. It's not $1,500 for a PC just be patient and save if your economic situation is so awful that $700 feels like $50k! Anyone complaining about prices of a hobby needs to manage their economic situation much better, get a job and stop being so entitled 🇺🇸
John, you need to stop smacking your lips every time you go to speak, turn your microphone audio down and move it about 6 to 8 inches away from your mouth
Interesting to hear so many people say black ops 6 is good. At least as far as multiplayer goes I’ve seen a lot of people say it is trash. I wouldn’t know cause the only fps I play at the moment is The Finals.
Thats totally subjective. But if you consider you literally cant build a new PC equivalent to a new ps5 pro price, then by that metric, of course its worth it. Anyine thinking otherwise isnt thinking 🤷 sorry, not sorry
But then you add the fee to play online, if a person buys a pro and keeps it until ps6 pro (which would be the "smart" way, if he buys a ps6 than we'd have to factor in the price and still add ps plus), let's say it's 8 years, that's U$640 (if it doesn't get more expensive, and it'll) just to play online, you definitely can build a better pc with that money, and you'll be in a platform that's just objectively better
@Yuri-xx2gi and in 8 years you would have made an upgrade or 3 to your PC costing you thousands by now. Or maybe you had a horrible accident or someone in your family did and that cost you thousands... Who cares it's irrelevant to what I said.
1-Sell your ps5 for ps5 for 300-350 and save big for the pro. 2- $70 dollar games and $700 dollars are not huge amounts of money. It's not $1,500 for a PC just be patient and save if your economic situation is so awful that $700 feels like $50k! Anyone complaining about prices of a hobby needs to manage their economic situation much better, get a job and stop being so entitled 🇺🇸
Is the Pro worth it? Sure, if you only play 1st party titles and FF Rebirth. Most of the third party games I've played have fairly serious issues running with their Pro updates. Be it Silent Hill 2 with its completely broken image quality, Assassins Creed Mirage has screen tearing and framerate stutters. Alan Wake 2 has a performance downgrade. Jedi Survivor has noticeable foliage flickering and texture strobing. The world in SW Outlaws seems to be constantly updating, with geometry details popping in and out of existence. Early days for sure, but I'm glad I still have the base console to use until these teething problems are addressed.
1:46:30 Sony is not the apple of gaming. Business practice wise, and how they approach tech, Nintendo is closer to Apple. Apple only resembles Sony in that Apple has captured the high end - but for the longest time, Apple products weren’t the highest end.
Remake, Rebirth, and Death Stranding are not good games. R&R bastardized the story and game play of the original. DS just shows how batshit crazy Kojima is without Konami keeping his ass in check.
Should Nano stop by more often for the show 🤔
yeah 👍🏼
A regular third??
Bring in dreamcastguy
Could be a third member.
Sure
Nano gels really well with Ryan and Jon. Im a fan. 😁👍
Can’t wait til Jon starts gaslighting Nano
@@JackMourning “So are you saying you do like wasting money on expensive hardware?”
Glad to see mr nano again, good episode as always guys
Days gone is the most underrated sony game and it needs more love.
Thank you nano for being a fan.
A big mistake podcasts make when discussing the Pro is believing people are really thinking "a ps5 pro or a pc ?" when those are 2 different ways of playing. All the dunking on the pro has been from pc players mostly in fact.
On another note, the pro isnt gonna shine on Sony games because they were already running great and lookin great. The problems have always been on 3rd party games. Dragons Dogma 2 looks crazy on Pro vs base PS5 for example
58:37. Raw dog go in here… Ryan, you savage!!
Nano is wrong. The disc drive is available on PS Direct (I purchased mine with my Pro), and I just went to Walmart and they had 2 available. It is not out of stock.
Must have just gotten them in stock because I looked like yesterday or the day before and it said out of stock.
Just now looked and it says "Currently Unavailable."
Fidelity mode is perfectly fine for Rebirth the missing 30 frames amounts to nothing never struggled playing in Fidelity mode
43:20 the way console gaming is supposed to be, problem is each game does “Pro” different as you said many having multiple settings
Got the ps5 pro at GameStop for 454 U.S. after tax. I went through my latge collection and trades in games they actually gave 50% trade credit on compared to value. Also 25 off if you spend 250, 25 dollars redeemed in points and 5 dollar monthly reward. Now i have ps5 in loving room and ps5 pro in sons room. Ill be getting him an oled tv for christmas❤️
Your "loving" room? 😂
@tomsimmons7673 I type too fast and sometimes don't proof read. This thing is riddled with spelling errors haha
based dad. your son is a lucky guy. 😄
Being a fan of the Three Idiots & friends crew and of the Spawncast/Spawn Wave crew, it's awesome seeing Nano crossover again. I'd love to see someone like Doto and his horrendous takes on the podcast would be great lmao
Can you guys talk about the ps portal finally getting an update and having access to cloud gaming
If the PS5 Professional gave you a performance increase along with the visuals then yea it would definitely be worth 699
Loving the Pro. Everything just looks and feels better to play. Across the board. Some titles better than others obviously.
I 100% agree. I dont have any regrets
Yeahhhhhh… make Nano permanent now
You can’t make anyone do anything.
Don't know about the PS5 pro... But I'm def picking up a PS5 for GTA VI
Same
Maybe a Series S
I tried a few PS4 games, but ended up just diving into all the PS5 games on Pro instead. They're just so far beyond.
Nano looks like Dave Franco, James Franco's brother
Woah didnt expect Nano on here
Both of the last of us look insane on an oled TV.
Stellar blade is such a great game
How’d you get James Charles on the podcast? 😂😂
Disc drives are everywhere in my area. I see them everytime I go to GameStop and Walmart.
Lies😅😂
if you haven’t played games like, ff7 remake, stellar blade, metaphor, then the pro is definitely worth it
Paydays 3 actually pretty good now.
Nano is wrong. Most people care about resolution and how good a game looks. Only nerds like us care about framerates. 99% of gamers are casuals and only care about graphics, GTA6 will be 30 fps but it will look gorgeous as all hell because thats what the majority of "gamers" want.
I believe it was Mark Cerny who said about 75% prefer framerate over resolution when they first talked about the pro
The PS Start wallet funds situation is really vexing specially considering that in here redeeming the games is basically a scam, costed SEVERAL times more than redeeming wallet funds, not to mention its nearly impossible to do it unless you buy a total of 50+ full priced games in a year.
Mystic the best
The Death Standing poop/blood bomb is actually a hemorrhoide bomb
Semes to be going on sale?
Virtua fighter 5 ps4 looks pretty good on pro
I think threee is a good number, you are all engaged and dont appear to be doing other things... Which is why i stopped watching the main podcast.
Base PS5 gets over 90 fps with GOW: Ragnarok
Ps5 pro has different fans. You must of got the louder one.
I wouldn’t be waiting on getting the Pro until GTA 6. At best then you get 2-3 years with it at most and I already feel 4 years is already too short for hardware that costs this much.
sony sorta tried doing FPS boost for PS4 games. A few games were updated to 60fps like ratchet and clank 2016 and TLOU2. But my guess is it’s on a developer basis, and sony can’t just improve any ps4 game.
No mans sky is 8k
No Mans Sky has 8k support gentleman!
at 30FPS. I'll pass.
Ryan and Jon you have to watch Arcane. It’s one of the greatest animated shows. Great writing, characters, animation is amazing. Everything is great.
And the touryst is in 8k 😅
FF7 Rebirth looks so good on the pro
As a huge final fantasy fan, it’s reason enough for me to upgrade. I finished remake, and then I decided to take a break with Metaphore. FF7 rebirth is waiting in my backlog. It does look really good.
welcome back, nano!
70mm x 257mm (4nm)
I just finished Rebirth last week and I don’t get the “Vaseline” thing? I played on performance it looked great.
Nano kinda sounds like Troy baker
You guys didn’t mention 2 games that are CPU heavy on PC. Balders Gate 3 & Dragons Dogma 2. Both run 4& 60 on the Pro. Dragons Dogma get up to 70fps…
DG2 FPS drops in towns and that's with the patch they put out to remove NPCs.
Listen @ work thinking Nano was a Bro.😅
Hot wheels is fun af
The pro is amazing. I care about getting the best I can out of a console but if you find with the old dusty and blurry PS5 stick with that or if you just can't afford it get the old PS5.
Ps5 doesn't have Dolby vision
This is probably so nitpicky and inconsequential for most peoples but for the ps5 pro; still no Dolby Vision. Come on now. Even smaller no 4:4:4 chroma sub sampling. Let alone the disc drive. Come on Sony. 😆
@@kylebookout1789 and u still need hdmi 2.1 to use rgb colors for hdr due to hdmi 2.0 limitation speeds like wtf series x can do it with 2.0, makes no sense
30:00 genuinely can't think of anything worse Sony could do than greenlighting Bloodborne 2 by BLUEPOINT (barf 🤢🤮). I'm not even a huge souls or fromsoft guy anymore, but Gavin Moore's interviews on Demon's Souls are without question some of the most insipid and baffling comments ever made by a game designer. I love Bloodborne and that guy and his team are the perfect embodiment of the kinds of people I'd NEVER want touching any property that mattered to me. absolute shame that Sony's fandom is now so broad and dull on average that all that the loudest contingents of it really care about (or even comprehend) anymore is unreal tech demo tier graphical fidelity for their box of plastic.
Very condescending.
And care to share what was said? Never mentioned once.
56:45 ‼️Pro 80% price increase for 15% noticeable real world performance increase is 🤪‼️ Sony cash grab while “Beta” testing pssr & ai upscaling to be fully integrated in PS6 releasing in 3-4yrs
yea
Ryan I hate to say it but you're wrong their going to have a show and I'm willing to bet on it
They're
You never asked my question to mystic Ryan
"Why is COD and Madden noy on GOTY every year for their success"... vs Black Myth Wukong... a game that came from a Indie studio whose first game they made had THIS MUCH SUCCESS... and chinese games don't always get much exposure and success in the West... it kinda feels like there is always something to excuse why Chinese games don't get recognized. And you may be forgetting Black Myth because so few people want to talk about it, not because the game is undeserving for at least a recognition. It is a huge deal what Black Myth has done and people want to go with the flow that the game was a flash in the pan nothing burger because of weird controversies and it's a chinese single player game, who despite selling amazing in China, doesn't mean much in the west is hugely dismissive in so many ways.
Because casuals buy trash.
I hope he played Immortals of Aveum at the max settings. They added a 120hz mode and you can turn Vsync off and they added FSR3 for frame generation. The game looks great and plays smooth at those settings if you have a 120hz VRR tv on the Pro5.
It's called PS5 Pro.
It depends. It’s not worth it if you already have a ps5, and if mine dies or something I’ll just get a new base model or a refurbished one.
Don’t really think the PS5 Pro is worth it unless you don’t have a PS5 or you’re just an enthusiast for PlayStation.
Also nice to see Nano back. Definitely wouldn’t mind Nano appearing more in the podcast.
1-Sell your ps5 for ps5 for 300-350 and save big for the pro.
2- $70 dollar games and $700 dollars are not huge amounts of money. It's not $1,500 for a PC just be patient and save if your economic situation is so awful that $700 feels like $50k!
Anyone complaining about prices of a hobby needs to manage their economic situation much better, get a job and stop being so entitled 🇺🇸
@@MojaveKnight17 and maybe you should stop being a shill 😂
@HIHi-os1lr How am I a shill if I'm being realistic?
@@MojaveKnight17 Lil bro is really just copy pasting this everywhere hoping at least 1 person in the universe agrees with him, huh?
John, you need to stop smacking your lips every time you go to speak, turn your microphone audio down and move it about 6 to 8 inches away from your mouth
Holy crap it’s Nano!
Interesting to hear so many people say black ops 6 is good. At least as far as multiplayer goes I’ve seen a lot of people say it is trash. I wouldn’t know cause the only fps I play at the moment is The Finals.
No one is saying BO6 multi-player is trash.
Obviously they are if I’ve heard it. Maybe it’s not a lot of people, but all
I’m saving is what I’ve heard. I don’t care either way.
Thats totally subjective.
But if you consider you literally cant build a new PC equivalent to a new ps5 pro price, then by that metric, of course its worth it.
Anyine thinking otherwise isnt thinking 🤷 sorry, not sorry
I’d rather spend $1500 on a new gaming pc instead of a $700 ps5 pro
@Virang807 yeah and buy the games for that pc so 3000
@@Virang807 that's fine. That's not really the question though. Granted it's a very subjective question
But then you add the fee to play online, if a person buys a pro and keeps it until ps6 pro (which would be the "smart" way, if he buys a ps6 than we'd have to factor in the price and still add ps plus), let's say it's 8 years, that's U$640 (if it doesn't get more expensive, and it'll) just to play online, you definitely can build a better pc with that money, and you'll be in a platform that's just objectively better
@Yuri-xx2gi and in 8 years you would have made an upgrade or 3 to your PC costing you thousands by now. Or maybe you had a horrible accident or someone in your family did and that cost you thousands...
Who cares it's irrelevant to what I said.
1-Sell your ps5 for ps5 for 300-350 and save big for the pro.
2- $70 dollar games and $700 dollars are not huge amounts of money. It's not $1,500 for a PC just be patient and save if your economic situation is so awful that $700 feels like $50k!
Anyone complaining about prices of a hobby needs to manage their economic situation much better, get a job and stop being so entitled 🇺🇸
What kind of car do you drive?
@danbooke2001 none of your business.
40:10
Is the Pro worth it? Sure, if you only play 1st party titles and FF Rebirth. Most of the third party games I've played have fairly serious issues running with their Pro updates. Be it Silent Hill 2 with its completely broken image quality, Assassins Creed Mirage has screen tearing and framerate stutters. Alan Wake 2 has a performance downgrade. Jedi Survivor has noticeable foliage flickering and texture strobing. The world in SW Outlaws seems to be constantly updating, with geometry details popping in and out of existence. Early days for sure, but I'm glad I still have the base console to use until these teething problems are addressed.
Timestampsguy wow
Who cares about trophies
1:46:30 Sony is not the apple of gaming. Business practice wise, and how they approach tech, Nintendo is closer to Apple.
Apple only resembles Sony in that Apple has captured the high end - but for the longest time, Apple products weren’t the highest end.
They're not the highest end now. My pixel 8 Pro runs circles around any Apple product.
Hair plugs hair plugs and you take it easy.
Hell no, it’s not worth it lmao
Because you're broke
Death standing is a Garbage 🗑️ game
Like if you want dreamcastguy as a guest
Fuck no
God noooooo
Hell no
Helllllnawwww 😂
You sick af💀
no it’s not worth it and it ain’t about the money.
No.
Remake, Rebirth, and Death Stranding are not good games. R&R bastardized the story and game play of the original. DS just shows how batshit crazy Kojima is without Konami keeping his ass in check.