What Successful Treatment of Narcissism Looks Like | DIANA DIAMOND
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- Опубліковано 27 жов 2020
- Treating NPD can be more difficult and a longer process than treating BPD. Diana Diamond takes us through the progressive phases of treatment and their accompanying transferences, from narcissistic to dependent to depressive, with the patient finally reaching a more integrated state.
We interviewed Diana Diamond about narcissism and its prevalence in our society today, all the way from healthy traits to Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
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Diana Diamond is an expert clinician who makes use of Transference-Focused Psychotherapy in her practice treating NPD and BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder).
Check out our interviews of Otto Kernberg and Frank Yeomans for lots more related material: Kernberg: • Otto Kernberg
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I suffered for years. I ruined so many relationships from family to friends. The first step is to truly recognize that this really is you and it's the cause of so many problems. Once you have that epiphany, you can start to recover. I think thats the hardest part
Same here.. How do you feel now, is it possible to recover? I really want to think that it is.
I’m hoping I can also recover.
@@ananddugar7091Hope is a great start! ❤
You are the only therapist that talks about NPD treatments - noboby else believes that. And it's conforting to know that there is hope
My impression is Nancy McWilliams is not 100% hopeless in that regard, either: ua-cam.com/video/AIPL6MZBgQ0/v-deo.html . She's a prolific author, also, and her books are truly amazingly insightful.
don't believe any of this if you are in a relationship with a narcissist run they only get worse in time they never get better they just become more and more abusive I don't even think of my ex-wife as a human being because there is a complete void of compassion empathy humanity anything they are just pure evil
@@frankbujans5901 it's my son
No hope. The N has absolutely no insight nor desire to change ... your distress is their strength.
@@wolffvera1 do you think he will be there for you when you get old take care of you show you the same humanity that you showed him are you deling with a human being that has the ability to understand compassion or are you trying to save a person like my mother a maglingnant narsasist bordering on one step of being a sociopath it was hard but I had to lett go a long time ago pure evil they only get worst they are not broken they are shattered you can't fix this sorry
This gave me a lot of hope! Thank You! I just discovered I have NPD, but also just discovered, I might have been getting successful and effective treatment for it! I am in "noir". I am mourning my life, my loses, the pain and torture I put my own self through. I am coming to realize how dysfunctional of a life I've lived, and how badly I was neglected and abused by psychopaths, and sadists. I lost hope yesterday, because while I became aware, the narcissus that tortures me in my mind is not gone. It controls my behavior. It knows I know. It doesn't manipulate me anymore, it just outright attacks me and wants to kill me. This is clearly the "transient suicidal feelings". NPD is no joke. I would take dissociation over this any day. The internal war is very real.
I'm in this phase too. Let both the anger and the painful emotions have a voice each. And listen to them one at a time with a neutral judgement. Validate your feelings, not the story you give them.
I'm diagnosed as well. How are you two doing if you don't mind me asking?
I have NPD as well, I'll go to an Ayahuasca session this weekend.
Jesus Christ is the only one who can help and heal. You just have to admit that you're not perfect and accept his forgiveness. Start focusing on what he thinks instead of what others think. I'm aware this message probably won't be well received. I wasn't raised in any religion. I'm here as a free agent for Jesus Christ. You don't need religion you just need to trust in 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4.
Man, I empathise with u guys tht suffer from this condition. We only see or experience the destruction tht ppl with NPD cause, but don't realise tht it comes from a place of pain...I'm I correct?. Either way, I wish u guys tht are self aware all the best on ur recovery journey ❤.
Having a narcissistic client is the perfect test to countertransference. Acknowledging you’re not perfect and reflecting on past sessions really helps build trust and allows them to embrace parts of themselves and be vulnerable with you.
I feel like empirical thinking is the way out for both the therapist and the patient. Often, I think of narcissism as 'a life without evidence'. In other words, reality is too painful for them, and narcissism is all that follows after.
I always knew this is treatable. It's a great injustice when therapists claim this disorder cannot be treated, they should face consequences. Great video.
"Always knew" turned out a bit of an over-statement but the sentiment remains.
Everything is treatable, some just harder than others.
ı guess she didnt say there is %100 treatment,remarkable said at the end they can suicide get depressed,and have a little bit of awareness of their grandiosity (!)
so it doesnt make much sense..
The problem is getting the narc to actually go in the first place and then they need to have the insight that their life is unmanageable, and it is due to their own actions. Most narcissists will never be able to do that. It's very rare that they will realize that they are the problem. Sometimes they just lean to fake it in therapy.
These are the conversations I'm looking for. This is not discussed enough
The shift in the narcissist goes from an external locus of control to an internal mortification ("i did this"). It's still through a narcissistic lens though. It's a dramatic state where the narcissist feels all bad about themself, but still can't emotionally feel for the person they hurt.
What's strange about me (my ex-girlfriend thinks that I am sub-clinically narcissistic) is that since I was little, I only ever thought of other people as extensions of myself. I would even selfishly desire the fair treatment of others, because I didn't see them as others, but Me #2, 3, etc. But it was very hard (and still is) to get through to me when I'm confronted and being judged for being selfish or as not doing what others want me to do... from my lens, it's like a right hand telling a left hand to stop being a left hand... and I see it as them being selfish and trying to control me. I take on a stance/narrative of just wanting 'us' to behave and treat ourselves fairly, but I was really interpreting it all through my own emotions and memory without fully getting the other person's experience, needs, or pain.
I have some complicated self-work to do, I am starting to suspect!
Well the narcissist has to make peace with themselves first. Don't they?
@@Yamikaiba123 You're already on that road. Well done ❤ it’s huge. All the best to you, remember to not lose compassion also for yourself along the way. It’s full of bumps.
Im very passionate about becoming a therapist and learning and developing skills to possibly treat patients who suffer from narcissism.
So much information out there saying its not possible but knowing that most narcisstic defense mechanisms are mostly developed from trauma I'm determined to learn more about this. 🤔 thankyou for your videos they make so much sense 🙏
Same here ❤
Thanks! -P
This is how I feel towards my partner. From an attitude of superiority on my part and devaluation, to one of admiration and fear of dependency as my symptoms turned from mild-moderate N traits to unstable borderline type interaction. I started to notice how I was attracted to my partner early on, thinking ‘this person won’t hurt me’
Hi can I ask you how this works and how you talk with your partner about your illness? How do you manage conflict and how do you make sure not to hurt them?
Finally a positive perspective ~ It’s wonderful what difference a long lasting therapists/patient relationship can make... I believe it’s possible if you have the perseverance to outlast the devaluing and hellish criticism... only if you’re a therapist I don’t think a long term partnership can do that, unless you’re some kind of a bodhisattva who’s willing to play that role for them all your life.
Thank you some much for giving a hope based on experience. It’s a very rare attitude to people with ND when a therapist is able to really understand and accept what those people are tackling with. Very valuable!
As a survivor I can't imagine what betrayal they would feel towards themselves and the world in realizing their whole life was a facade. Just 4 yrs with my ex who has NPD made me feel crazy, and extremely difficult to wrap my head around the situation I found myself in. I can understand why so many cannot reflect it would be heart wrenching.
You are on the wrong channel. There about 500 channels for victims and survivors.
@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye no, she just climbed a bit further to see the view from up top. 🤟⚘
Thank you for the content. May ALL living beings find peace.
I want to believe every problem has a solution. Empathy is something that makes us most human. I can't imagine how the world is for a person without empathy.
Hmmm
I wish I could get someone I love treated by you. I am on the verge of loosing them for life simply because of the fact that they are going through this disorder.
you will loose them and you have to loose them. they have to figure it by themselves. once they understand that they may be causing problems is when they can do anything about it.
My mothers life it’s devastating. She was sadistic with me and at 11 after the horrible abuse and abandonment I asked for adoption..
she I guess was a malignant sadistic narcissist. She became alcoholic as a teen as a result of growing up in a poor family in the URSS.. she became engaged in prostitution, Maphias, weapons selling, human trafficking.. from what I was told was I’m her police record. She comited horrible things to my young sister as towards me.. she herself was brutally abused and almost killed..
after 20 years we had contcat with her and I think she developed into a psychopath. Her eyes full empty, and is just this lascivious, aggressive, openly manipulative.. it’s so heartbreaking. I think about her everyday of my life and I’m still grieving my life, and her life.. I wish she have had help in her youth.. the worst is thinking there’s no turning back , there’s no hope after all the Barbarism.. it’s heartbreaking. This Interview warms my heart in a way.. I hope others get help
Thank you 🥀🙏 we are really healing.. We've been at it for 30 years and lots of groups and therapy. I needed trauma therapy and the time it takes to heal from childhood wounds, and then begin the process of adult trauma, alcoholism, drug addiction and all the isms that present throughout life. I really want to lean in harder and learn to love each other fully. Its an incredibly long process. Sending love 🙂🥲
Thank you. Wishing you well. -P
@@BorderlinerNotes thank you 🙏🪶🥀
wow. That was fantastic. I have BPD and have been benefiting from DBT for two and a half years. I still love my ex-girlfriend very much, who has narcissistic traits and would never admit to going to therapy. It is encouraging to know that there is a therapeutic process where narcissists also have a chance.
I would like to know what therapeutic line this is that the interviewee refers to.
Thank you for this channel. Again. Awesome inputs.
Its called Transference-Focused Psychotherapy, Diana Diamond has developed a version of it especially to treat NPD. The original form is to treat borderlines, and its probably much deeper way to deal with it than DBT. So even you could most likely benefit from it, after you have gained control through DBT.
You can google the paper "Transference-Focused Psychotherapy for Narcissistic Personality Disorder: An Object Relations Approach"
Run run run narcissist only get worse in time they do not get better they just become more and more abusive they are master manipulators and pathological liars I was married to one for five years and to tell you the truth it's not all the pain and suffering and torture that woman put me through that bothers me it's how much she enjoyed every moment of it literally pure joy they are evil run away
@@frankbujans5901 exactly. Ofcourse the therapist will say it's treatable because they get money off patients. They only come to therapy so that they can learn new tricks on how to fool people better. Or sometimes they come because they do suffer the consequences of their actions but they can't understand how it is even possible that rules apply to them and that people do leave them and won't put up with their sh...t.
You cannot heal them.
Unless they want to.
It's treatable, but only when they are aware of it and committed to healing it
@@lifeisbeautiful7047 same with most if not all ailements, especially phychological. npd is a form of ptsd and has special characteristics and treatment varies but it is ptsd nontheless. Untreated ptsd can be harmful and dangerous, and so can personality disorders.
When you believe you’re having success later in treatment are you worried that they’re just saying what you need to hear rather than having made any real changes? That’s what their personality is known for doing really really well outside of therapy. It seems more than likely they’d also do this _during_ treatment.
great and accurate observations. I belive that there is still progression chance after the point Mrs. Diamond considered as it is the end. It is very hard as rock, but possible by psychoanalytic process.
I'm so greatfull for this channel. It helped me a lot. A lot of the topics resonated with me and it helped me to bring it to my psychotherapy. I recommended the channel to my psychotherapist because here in my city i didn't found specialist in NPD. And there are hope, but it is EXTREMELY hurtful and hard to work on the core issues of narcissistic neurosis. I'm graduating in psychology and i will specialize in psychoanalysis and transference-focused psychodinamic so i can help others with NPD. I know the damage that NPD can do to others and the victims need support and help but so do the NPDs.
Thank you for this. How's it going now? -P
@@BorderlinerNotes i really dont know. I believe that my more narsisistic symptoms have diminished. I dont have the diagnosis closed. I'm doing psychodiagnosis now to se what i have. But it is hard to deal with the more underlying instability. It makes me confused. Sometimes i believe that i have autistic traits, that my narcisistic traits is an response of masking plus traumas that i can see more clearly now. Sometimes i function socially quite well and enjoy people and friendship, sometimes i feel strange and blind to social clues. This core instability his hard to deal with and manage. But i'm quite ok. Thanks for asking! :)
Brilliant woman
I really like the short videos. It incents me to go back for more and not have to memorize every letter of the NPD experience. It's easier to understand a person I know without being inundated by all of his symptoms at once
thank you for a shred of hope and positivity!
She explains this really well! Can’t agree more.
Wow! Excellent video!
Great info!
Having watched this video (with much appreciation), I'm wondering what happens to a narcissistic therapist and their countertransferences, when such a therapist encounters a narcissistic patient (or even any type of patient for that matter)? Which takes me even further - to guessing if pathologically narcissistic therapists would be effective at all in this type of interaction? Would a therapist with a personality-related pathology be effective? What degree of pathology would be detrimental and what degree would be acceptable? Do candidates for TFP training get evaluated before being accepted for a program? I don't see much online discourse about the influences of narcissistic professionals in the field of mental health and would very much welcome a video on the topic.
Now that's a good question.
@@holdmyhand9573 ... especially since I've heard that there's disproportionate amount of narcissists in the profession of Psychotherapy!
Very good question indeed.
You guys are heroes
Fascinating.
Thank u ❤
4 years and going strong here :D I don't even have NPD but the phases seem quite similar.
It's not that I wouldn't want them to heal. The ones I encountered would never want to seek therapy. So I think just seeking this voluntarily is a sign of a need to change something.
Hi, very interesting interview, iwold to know how long takes the last part , the depresion phase?thanks
These statements are indeed surprising. Present-day research is unaware of any talking cure that consistently shows significant results. Whatever method and observations are at hand here should be published. Nevertheless, I think for many narcissists there needs to be some external motivation to overcome the discomfort of having to deal with therapy. I am thinking about new legislation that allows for effictive punishment of exploitative behaviour with an option to strip people with such personality traits of civil and personality rights. I would expect the prospect of being legally considered 'less than' to be a highly effictive motivator to seek and stay in treatment.
I'd like to know how you contend with the information theft that happens with the narcissist. My experience is that the narcissist uses therapy to hone their black arts to bolster denial and further protect their fragile self whilst continuing to hurt others with more efficient techniques that enhance their grandiose constancy.
When the person with NPD or pathological narcissism is in the devaluation stage, what keeps the patient from not coming back? I'm just curious - what motivates the patient to continue treatment?
Such a good question and one we will file away for future interviews.
Of course I don't know how dr. Diamond would anwser this question, but this is my personal answer, based on experience as a therapist. Assuming that the client came to get better, the narcissistic patient keeps coming because he wants to get help and (on some level) knows that the therapist will be able to help him. The devaluation is a defense, and deep down the patient doesn't really believe the devaluating comments. It's his way of "protecting" himself and his self-esteem (attacking others to feel less vulnerable). One of my clients devalued me for two years before she was able to say anything positive about me. One day she said she thought I was a "pretty good therapist." That shocked me. She added: "I've always felt that way. I was just never able to admit it." So many clients who devalue and attack the therapist know (consciously or unconsciously) that these feelings aren't true (that they're a defense), and still want help from the therapist.
@@lordtains I’m not too sure about your own definition of “devalue”
I have been dealing with clients with NPD, BPD. When they say anything negative, attacking the therapist, they send you a message that they do not trust you enough or you are unable to establish a trust relationship with them.
And most of the time, they disconnected with your service.
If you client keep coming back to you for 2 years, then perhaps your client was considering you as an emotional punching bag. And she has a need to come and abuse you and it gives her some fuel, help with her low self esteem.
It sounds very unhealthy anyway.
I wondered that constantly with my ex. Constantly devalued me, but would never break up with me. I broke up with him 3 times because I didn’t want a partner who treated me that way and seemed to despise every single thing about me (and if that’s true, then why the fuck did he never break up with me and tried to get me to stay each time I wanted to break up??). It made me think… what if the devaluation isn’t even true. What if he doesn’t even believe those things at all and it’s just a defense mechanism because he’s scared that I’ll have devaluing thoughts about HIM and so he’s preparing to soften that blow by devaluing me first?
I would think it has to do with intrinsic as opposed to extrinsic motivation(s). Whereas one may be extrinsically motivated to, say, defend oneself from an attack and escape the situation, thereby leaving the impetus to retaliate at the scene, a narcissist's motivation to devalue would be intrinsic once triggered, by way of the portability of one's ego and memories, rendering the narcissist's triggering experience an omnipresent threat or insult until otherwise psychologically resolved via devaluation.
Psychologists as a profession have a high level of narcissistic occurrence ironically
Breathe DEEP Breathe SLOW (through the nose)
Experience the emotions and let them go.
The Truth shall set you free.
"Only liars think the Truth hurts because it destroys their illusions and delusions...To those that 'Seek it' it is music to their ears." -ancient clown
Help them learn how to breathe to reconnect their empathy and emotional intelligence.
yes please :')
Can someone please say what someone like this would cost to go to?
It would be great if people were scanned that narcissists were not allowed to have children.
And then said narcissists are neutered once they are identified.
My narcs therapists never got mad at him because he had the manipulated all the time. How can these therapists even get a narc to dismiss them to see that dismissive?? Mine always acted so charming, so victim, always painting me as the abuser.
CAn you please help me my husband and his family (mother, father and my husband)have npd but he is not listening to me ....i am only 2 months aways from my divorce
As a therapist you will try to have a professional relationship to a patient who is/behaves like a narcissist. I wonder how Dr Diamond would handle a narsissist in her personal life, a person who she initially loves? Would she stay or would she leave?
Well this should not be an excuse to be a punching for a narcissist.....they can perhaps change but it does not excuse their harms on others and it is not a partners job to remain back just for their partner's sake
@@123n704123 Totally agree.
Different roles. A partner is a partner, not therapist. Never take a role of a therapist for your own sake
4:14 Not the least self absorbed in the petty little trivialities of her life. 🤣👍👍
Pretty sure everything she mentioned is me but I can't afford therapy in Canada. It's brutal
They definitely get aggressive very quickly. They do not give and take. They demand obedience. I have had various types. Recently I spoke back very quickly, and really offended an overt demanding man. Do this. Do that. He. Said to me. So when he was interrupting a conversation I asked him to leave the room while on the phone. Wow. He did not like this! After years under the thumb of a narcissist I might be quiet. Or I might not. They do however cause ruminating. They are very unpleasant to deal with. Their words go back and forth in the mind. Better to discern who they are, then just avoid as much as possible
Yup. She's my new God. Sorry Dr. Ramini.
Dr Ramani is unfortunately extremely vilifying of people with NPD. I'm thankful for her videos, which showed me there was a name for the abuse and neglect I went through. But I think there's something missing when NPDs are described as being malicious in their motivations, and largely beyond any form of meaningful treatment.
@@littlemissprickles Thank you! That is EXACTLY why I started to disconnect from her content. It became evident that she had a personal bias or buried resentment in regards to an experience with someone with narcissistic traits. l I'm pretty sure I have NPD so after awhile I couldn't keep listening to her downtrodden view that she herself seemed to lack complete awareness of. Luckily she's been a lot better lately tho. IMO.
@@VibingTribes Its more about milking her audience, she caters to the "victim" community. Even using works like "empaths" etc. I think she is mostly about money. Her audience wants to see NPD:s as some evil demons, not to understand them.
Its the same issue as how BPD is covered in youtube. Victimhood is a hell of a drug.
@@Nobody-Nowhere Exactly! And so much hate comments down there as if they're all bunch of saints who never crossed or hurt anyone.
@@littlemissprickles YES! I think she enjoys taking down people with NPD and exploiting them for her own benefit, almost unethical.
It is difficult for a narcissist to trust
How do you go through ego suicide without killing your whole being?.
Take longer 🤔 Yes there Entire Life Best actors/Actresses In the world 😞
Why did she look at her watch?
B/c she has narcissistic pathology. She had to signal to the interviewer her need to be seen as busy and a person who has to be aware of time. It communicates to the interviewer/producers that the interview is not her priority. It's a way to subtly devalue the production.
For the time.🤓
It really takes a big heart for the therapist to do this. Empathising with such a client would be as painful as giving birth on a weekly basis.
I do not believe there is any treatment for a malignant narcissist for the very simple reason there is a complete inability to exercise insight.
Without insight there can be no meaningful treatment or meaningful improvement. I say meaningful, because I’m not talking about superficial.
I don't believe there is any form of true treatment or cure for high spectrum narcissism or better yet malignant narcissism they are pure evil I was married to one for five years and they literally savor and enjoy every moment of pain they cause everyone else they only get worse they never get better they are pure evil if you are in a relationship with one run away don't look back they will literally start to become physically violent towards you
@Ro yes absolutely just false hope my experience with being raised by a malignant narcissist has shown me literally an entire life of causing pain towards other people let alone the sheer hatred of seeing anyone content or happy has shown me that a person like that cannot be turned around could not be shown or taught what basic human kindness is and it is rather terrifying to believe that someone is saying you can't fix them you can make them better there is hope stay in that relationship no absolutely not
@Ro I know it's a strange thing to say but it's not what the narcissist did to me it's how much they enjoyed it that's what I'm focusing on in the end I'm removing all the psychology and all the terminology and just looking at the pure evil the rage the anger that is deep deep within them there's no fixing that
@Ro the one thing that most therapists sociologists psychologists everything that I have heard is that if you are in a relationship with a high spectrum narcissist or malignant narcissist you need to get away from them and looking back at my life and all the abuse I agree with them they are right telling someone to stay and try to work it out is absolutely ridiculous considering the fact that they only get worse in time
No one just has insight. It's developed. Narcissists are underdevloped mentally and emotionally, they have to learn to develop it. Therapy CAN help.
It doesnt change who they are. They would still rather poop on you and laugh, they can just hold it longer. 😅
I love this I need someone in the uk to help my partner
Check out mentalization based therapy. It's founders reside in the UK.
I understand that therapists deal with a lot, but how could a therapist be angry with a client? Don’t they have a deep understanding of human psychology? That should make it much more difficult to hate or resent a client.
A therapist is no god like creature. They are humans and therefore flawed. If a patient tries hard enough, and gets lucky, they might stumble upon a weakness of the therapist that makes them angry.
If being a therapist gave people such plot armor against ever getting angry, then we should have all become therapists. Can you imagine a world where simply spending 4 or 8 years learning about the theories of psychology produces world peace, since it seemingly cancels negative reactions in humans?
There is a huge difference between knowing something, understanding something (with how much depth), being able to apply something, and being able to live by the principles of that understanding.
In any case, while sometimes getting angry (or experiencing any other feeling during a cession or making mistakes) happens even to the best therapists, the sad reality is that most therapists are incompetent, or bad, or ego-driven, or...
I mean they are still human after all, they are prone to the same emotions as their clients...even if they have full understanding of their clients behavior
They don’t get pay to be abused.
And a good healthy therapist needs to have connections with their own feeling. Angry is a form feeling.
Some ppl have very wrong view about unconditional love, empathy, compassion, especially when it comes to clients with mental illness. The love, empathy need to come hand in hand with boundaries. Otherwise, it’s very easy to feed on/ enable a client’ toxicity. Which is not only impact negatively on the client but their loved ones
I don’t think so….
Maybe one out of ten narcs will stay with treatment and learn to “self reflect” ?
OMG that's optimistic!
More clearly: Out of 1000 narcs, maybe 50 will start - and only 5 will stay.
I researched about this before, it’s less then 1% of them stay with treatment.
And it’s a 10 stage treatment. Most of them would not complete the first stage of the treatment. And on top of that the treatment might require 5 to 10 years.
So the narcissist really require to have money, time, awareness, hope, hard effort within themselves to be able to commit with a long term therapy. Let’s get real, they can’t commit in a long term sexual relationship, which is pretty normal for most of human being.
Maybe many will be forced by ‘hitting bottom’ and do so naturally as so many addicts do. All depends on so many things.
@@heartspacerelaxations6924 From what I’ve seen, rock bottom is a good foundation for treating NPD. But, NPD is tragically under-diagnosed. Individuals experiencing a narcissistic collapse do not present to mental health professionals with their defenses up. The psychologist immediately sees the turmoil behind the mask: the irrational fear of other people, the constant shame, perfectionism, inadequacy, etc. etc. These patients are typically diagnosed with depression, anxiety, AvPD, or another problem, and receive treatment for that. But the root illness goes untreated. As they recover from collapse, the patient rebuilds their narcissistic defenses. If they’re lucky, the therapist spots it; if not, they leave treatment, and maybe are forced to show up to therapy again in their 40s or 50s. Someone riding high on grandiosity typically isn’t going to seek help.
It makes me sad. I’ve seen young people with NPD stick through treatment, work through trauma, and recover. It’s not everyone, for sure, but it’s enough to justify more thought given to treatment. A lot of pain could be saved, both for narcissists and victims, if we could treat NPD early.
Most narcissistic people do not entertain the idea of therapy. They are right and everyone around them is at fault. Individuals like this lack capacity for internal reflection. By providing therapy you are feeding their false narrative, just playing a part in their show. These Individuals fake 'self' therefore therapy is ineffective.
I work in domestic abuse as a therapist, dealing with the repercussions and suppression these people cause.
However, I am interested in how you go about dealing with narcissism itself, how very tolerant.
4:14... yikes
I find it literally impossible to believe that the demonic entity that evil disgusting excuse of a human being that I used to call my wife could actually have any form of breakthrough or any form of healing process that would make her a human being in any way shape or form this woman was pure evil and it's not what she did to me over 5 years it's how much she enjoyed doing all those things to me there is no fixing that
Maybe she is just evil, not someone suffering with NPD. Bad people can be narcissistic but not all narcissists are bad people. You're being way too emotional on a video that is presenting intellectually stimulating and beneficial information on helping heal people with NPD. No one is invalidating your experiences but you can't project your experience to everyone else's.
@@peaceunion5316 this is one of the few therapists that actually believes that you can cure or manage high spectrum narcissistic disorder this is false hope there is no cure they are pure evil this is not emotional this is not irrational this is pure logic you're dealing with someone who is not a human being they are missing the parts it does not exist in them for you to try to make them better is just a game for them so they can set you up to hurt you again it's all a game a pure evil and disgusting game
@@user-pc2xn1iz8w but most of the people here did not go out of their way to hurt another person that's what the narcissist does that's the big difference it's not what my mother did it's not what my ex-wife did it's how much they enjoyed doing it that's what bothers me that's what truly hurts people that Joy in making another person suffer
@@user-pc2xn1iz8w The narcissist can be treated no the narcissists cannot be treated there is no cure for high spectrum or malignant narcissism the mind is not broken the mind is shattered they are literally missing that part that shows human comprehension as far as empathy is concerned remember all sociopaths at one time were high spectrum or malignant narcissist not to mention they only get worse in time it's hard for them to play the victim we get that attention that they used to get when they get older
@@user-pc2xn1iz8w but all the other video of other experts say no there is no cure .... The first step to salving a problem is to admit there is a problem think when do narcissists do that mmmmm they are perfect in there mind's..... Never wrong....
If that's the end, then unfortunately nothing has changed with them fundamentally. I was hoping there were further stages beyond this which would elucidate if any realization further occurs. Even their new found abilities by the end of this are still treated like a game.
2-3 times per week? Didn't know you had to be Bill Gates to get therapy.
@@user-pc2xn1iz8w Adam Philips offered therapy free or low cost. He's said if you want to become rich, you shouldn't be a therapist because chasing wealth gets in the way of being a good therapist.
No one will have time to sit with a therapist 2-3 times per week plus traveling time and traveling cost.
Would not it be easier to abuse your spouse , then move on with a new partner and go on rather than seeing therapist 2 - 3 times per week?
Haha