Word. I have a blue hippo tang. I was trying to move him from 75g to 120g aquarium. In between of the transfer I put him into a quarantine tank. I didn't put any medicine in the quarantine, because he's healthy (just like your analogy, why add copper medicine to a healthy fish). I just fed him good, nori, pellets, etc. After 3 weeks I moved him to the 120g tank and he's starting to get ich. But I didn't want to chase and catch him (I was afraid that'd stress him out) so I just let it be and feed him as usual. I raised the temp for 2 weeks. The ich went away and never come back. PS: the ich didn't affect the other fish in the 120g.
Hey, I just turned off the chiller to raise the temperature. And it was around 76-80 degree Fahrenheit. To be honest, I didn't really know 100% whether it was the hippo tang's antibody to repel the ich (via eating good; pellet / nori, etc) or it was actually the temperature. As far as I know, the white spot life cycle is around 6 days at warm temperatures. If within those 6 days the white spot can't infect any of the fish because they're healthy. They will disappear from your aquarium by itself. I just added another week just to be safe. He is still alive in my aquarium, swimming healthy full with energy and I've never seen the ich coming back to the blue hippo tang or any other fish.
That’s awesome to hear. Just starting out and I am freaking out about ich, but I’m glad to hear that I don’t have to stress out so much about it. Thanks for sharing.
This is one of those times I'm extremely grateful for starting out in freshwater. In freshwater, ICH was always compared to the chicken pox. It has the potential to become bad based on the health, etc. However, once they had it, and get past it, they are immune. Thank you for this video!!!!!
Loved this video brother. I will agree with you. I put a yellow tang in my tank a week ago and well it showed ich. All I have been doing is feeding it good foods and a variety and it completely went away. I hate adding harsh chemicals to a tank. Thanks for what you do brother.
Thanks for this video even though it’s older it’s still relevant. Dealing with ich in two separate ways because I have two tanks. I’m experimenting. One tank I’m curing it with Ich-X and the other that has ich is a new tank and new fish without quarantining them . The other tank I’m just raising them temp and making sure I feed more often but smaller doses
I fully agree. Do it the same way, two tangs had ich at the beginning and didn't want to eat. Gave them a lot of frozen food with garlice, 5 days later no more spots and since then no outbreaks anymore. Great video good thoughts.
Interesting video... But bad advice IMO. A couple of thoughts: I've never seen a formal study that shows using Copper as directed shortens the life of a fish. Fish in the ocean aren't in a closed system where the parasites reproduce exponentially. Garlic can be toxic to fish. You mention proactively treating fish is inhumane... in reality risking the lives of all your tank inhabitants by introducing a potentially sick fish is way worse. These parasites, and not just ick, aren't always visible until later. Proper QT can keep your system 100% parasite free, just set up a separate small QT for inverts and coral, and a hospital tank for new fish. 👍
Again we will all have our ways of thinking not saying you are right or wrong just your thoughts an opinion which I respect and you are entitled to. Everything I talked about was based on my personal experience and information I gathered from reefers with 10-20 years experience. At the end of the day you have to decide what route you want to take. My method has yet to have an issue not only in my tanks but the tanks I have helped people set up. Again I respect your opinion and what you say and appreciate you taking the time to comment. As always happy reefing
@@eatsleepreef9565 It's a great channel. Thanks for the outstanding content! It's an interesting topic. One final thing to consider is that there a far more dangerous parasites than ick that can end up in a system without an observation period at a minimum. Setting up a QT is so easy and inexpensive... I'm not sure why there would be any reluctance. Happy reefing to you as well! 🐠
@@eatsleepreef9565 right now I have fish in my qt with a light amount of copper. I saw a spot on one of my clowns this morning.so I'm gonna start ramping it up. Not much of a choice.
So I’m super glad I found this video. I’m just starting out and have built a QT hospital tank. Now I had no intention of medicating the fish, but everyone seems to suggest you should. I was planning to QT them for 3/4 weeks and observe, if I felt anything was off I’d revisit medication. Just like IRL I feel we over medicate, I’m perfectly happy taking medications but would prefer to change diet, lifestyle first etc.
Agree once you get ich unless you wanna let your tank go dry for a year it's always present and IMO ONLY shows when you introduce new fish improperly which can vary in a hundred different ways
I think the most humain treatement would be seting up an observation tank for the new fish. Feed them well for at least 4 weeks and if everything is fine, use an acclimation box for introducing them in the DT. In this way the stress is greatly readuced and the risc of geting a parasite minimized. If the fish developed simtoms in the observation tank, then treat it accordingly. I will never just "pop and drop". And another onservation tank for inverts is also important. Not only for the fish parasites, but for the coral parasites also.
When I first setup my JBJ 45 I found your videos and while researching Ich I found your videos again…I’m still BLOWN away with your tank I can’t believe this channel hasn’t exploded. Hope all is well looking forward to some new videos if you decide to get back on YT👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Ruby reef Rally and Kick ich 14-21 day treatment and couple with UV lightning and evening water changes. The mobile parasite stage is most active during that period and also has best opportunities to latch onto fish while sleeping. Temp to 80F. Ich is always in our tanks. Certainly some fish are also more resistant.
I am no where near the level of the experienced reefers but in my 2 years of reefing, I have had 2 fish that have had ich and multiple that were bought beat up with damaged fins. I have never actually quarantined. All have recovered fully. I want to say it has been my tank maintenance and a quality diet.
I agree with observation but as eatsleepreef mentioned his videos are based with the new reefer in mind and telling them qt and observe a fish without explaining what to look for is like making a video about ich that doesn’t tell you how to cure it
Can it live in freshwater at all? I have it on a Molly that was in a saltwater tank, I’ve put her in a freshwater tank and I’m assuming it will die off, correct?
I totally agree, when I first started I lost more fish quarantining than with Ick , now I just keep them fat and healthy and never had a problem ever since.
My emperor angel has had ich for over 3 months, he eats like a cow, but has yet to shake it. Not sure what to do. He flashes every now and then, nothing crazy
FYI to all the ones watching this do not buy from any pet stores like petco, pet smart ect…. Go to your LFS and always checkout every tank before even looking at the stock
I would just like to ask.. Is this still your opinion to this day? My fish have a few spots of ich, I've left it so far but am tempted to freshwater dip at least. I haven't so far just want to know if your view of the subject is unchanged?
So your saying ich can magically show and appear in your tank? If your fish get stressed? I thought ich ate living things pest from what your saying is ich are in all reef tanks and just show up when fish are weak or stress?
I'm a big fan of Humblefish's Tank Transfer Method. Safest way to prevent ich for all fish and requires no medication. But you have to do it before you add the fish to your tank. And get your snails from reefcleaners their inverts and systems are fishless. Peace and Love ^_^
For such a brilliant reefer you have some serious misinformation--and I do not think this is a matter of opinion. Noga, a professor of veterinary medicine, has written a book on fish diseases. I'm some ways he's too "balanced," but his work plus the experience of Bob Fenner is tremendously powerful. 1/ Sometimes fish do develop at least a partial immunity to Cryptocaryon, but this cannot be depended on. 2/ If copper leads to early fish death, you'll probably not know it because commercial fish sellers almost always dose copper and keep a hyposaline tank. Copper is not like chemo--except to a small number of species, including clownfish, that are sensitive to it. 3/ Infected fish might have a low level infection. THEY might be fine, eventually, but the fish they will infect in the display tank might not be so lucky. 4/ Much is now known about marine parasitic diseases. A fairly gentle but very effective medicine is Chloroquine Phosphate. It's now available as Spectrum Ick Guard powder. If used prophylactically it is extremely effective and well handled. Hypo + increased heat helps speed up the cure but will not cure by themselves. 5/ Corals and inverts may carry the ich parasite, but this parasite cannot feed on them. That means a quarantine in a fishless system will kill off the parasite. Given that a quarantine tank will be lacking refuge for the parasite, typically 16 days should be enough. Risk averse people would go up to 45 days. Anyway, one should be dipping coral, which requires a separate tank. 6/ In nature, as Voltaire said, spiders eat flies. Given the ways we deviate from nature's water quality and create artificially high concentrations of disease, the least we can do is to clean up fish problems before they kill our tanks. Fish death leads to exit from the hobby. 7/ Finally, to repeat, you are astonishingly gifted. I certainly trust your advice on nearly everything reef related. But not on this.
I think of ich to fish like a common cold to humans , it never goes away but if you are healthy and eating well you most likely wont get sick to often if at all
My emperor angelfish has had fin rot for 10 days, and ich at nights, today he didnot want to eat....and jumped half of his body out of the water frequently.....no medication yet, other 5 fish are ok
@@anwarnoerdy Melafix is a known and 100% natural oil from the melaleuca tree that is safe to use on your fish for fin rot. Please go get some and heal your future fish that get rot or damaged fins.
Comparing your 90 gallon tank to the ocean is a stretch. The reason ich isn't a problem in the ocean is because the vastness of the ocean negates ich. Sure they get it but when it falls off the fish is long gone by the time it comes back with it's life cycle.
Noticed ick on my fish. Didnt do anything but add garlic to their food. Few days went by and Theyre all dead now. Any products i couldve used like paraguard or something to build up the fishes ammune system or is it all in buying quality fish food?
Have a question for you need some help been experiencing some white spots on my fish in my tank I have a lot of coral so I’m on able to catch them, i’m using Dr. G’s caviar and extreme garlic.. What’s your thoughts on polyp lab medic I’m getting so many mixed reviews??
I’ve learned this the hard way, saw one spot of ich and right away put the fish in medication, died the next day, lost a good amount of money that way, now I just make sure they have plenty of food and make sure they eat it.
👍 up to you !!! That is why I follow you because your the way your Reef tank looks, speaks millions than a goofball with dead stone,sad looking corals . I been doing everything you said in your videos about ,flow ,lights,feeding etc and my nano tank looks as beautiful and colorful as yours!!! Thank you !!!!
Great video some great points never really seen it that way, but I think I’m gonna try I have a coral beauty angel right now seeing some few white spots on it and was thinking about qt it in copper. I’ll definitely give it a shot your way and monitor it I’ll keep you updated.
Thanks for your video I am just seeing it now 5 years later . I have a powder blue who had ICH I just left him alone it corrected itself.my blue face koi had it too , I left them both alone they recovered without any medication.
I believed this before it worked twenty years for me, never treat nothing. But recently I lost near all fish. Believe me now all will be QT with treatment, it is not work the risk when they are solutions
I went for almost 3 years before I got my first ICH outbreak which was bought on by a sharp rise in temperature while I was away on my holidays and subsequent tank crash stressing the fish. I went to work breaking my tank down to remove fish, setting up a hospital tank and despite all my hard work and money I lost over half my fish 😔 after 4 months I put the remaining fish back in the main tank and everything was great for the next 6 weeks. But then my brother decided to close his tank down and I inherited some of his fish, within 2 weeks I had ICH again and lost all (5) but one of the fish I got from him but strangely none of my own. I went through the same process as before with the hospital tank and very nearly gave the hobby up and the only reason I didn’t was because I’m very attached to Gary the Yellow Watchman Goby! There is such a lot of work and cost both in money and time doing this the “proper way” I just don’t think I can anymore, if and when I do get ICH again I’m following EAT SLEEP Reefs advice.
I like your video, you are right. My fish had ich and now it is gone, just leave the fish alone and it will fight ich out. Thank you for what you do!!!
30 years of doing this. Never had a fish with ick. Never quarantined or treated anything. Maybe I’m just lucky or not. But I always gave my fish plenty of room. So no fighting or stress. And I always double filtrate.
Definitely a controversial topic so let me add my thoughts as there will be strong opinions on both sides. There are multiple ways of getting rid of ich and copper is only one of the proven ways. There is the tank transfer method, chloroquine phosphate, and hyposalininty. If you think that treating your fish with copper is like giving chemo to someone without cancer that is a really tough one to agree with you or Rico. I ask you this though. Do you get a flu shot? You said it should help prevent you from getting that strand again. However, there are thousands if not millions of different strands of the flu. That flu shot only covers one. So why bother taking a shot if your not guaranteed to not get the flu? Also ich is not the biggest reason to QT. There are much worse parasites out there that are tank killers and act fast. Putting your entire tank at risk is way worse then properly qt'ing. Lastly your title is clickbait, there was no advice given on how to get rid of ich forever. Personally I think it is not impossible to get rid of ich, it just takes more time, energy, and due diligence then most people will ever want to do. Yes you would need to qt all of your corals and inverts for 76+ days before introducing them to the main display to ensure they are not bringing ich along with them. 99% of people out there wont do this. I don't believe ich is a tank killer but I still QT for the other really bad stuff out there. You probably have been lucky so far but deal with Marine velvet and you will probably change the way you do things. Just my humble opinion for what it is worth.
You are surely not in the wrong but as I mentioned above these videos are more intended for the newer reefer getting into it. Let’s face it in a room of 10 reefers we will be lucky to find 2 that do qt especially if you are newer. So I’d rather teach you my way which I cannot set up a qt than make a video drilling you saying you cannot have a tank without qt. I respect your opinion and you surely made great points 😊
Not gonna get too deep into this one, but I’ll give my opinion in a nice way. First off... it’s not only Ich that most reefers try to avoid. It’s Velvet, Brook, Uronema, Internal Parasites, Flukes, Bacterial Infections, etc. I respectfully disagree with your baby analogy and some of the other logic. Prophylactically treating for various maladies is not a bad practice considering that many fish do not always show visual symptoms immediately- if at all. Sometimes when visual symptoms are finally observed- it’s simply too late. We’re not dealing with millions of gallons of ocean water here. When parasites multiply in our tiny reef tanks the numbers are ridiculously overwhelming for the fish. Our small water volumes stack the odds against the fish. Of course some fish do build immunity and overcome, but many will not. Long ago...when I didn’t QT or prophylactically treat for internal and external parasites... I lost so many more fish. Not to mention all the money 💵 I’ve thrown away over the years. One may have good luck for a while, but eventually he’ll likely run into major issues. Of course there’s the argument of letting the fish build up natural immunity, but like I previously stated...we’re not keeping them in the ocean. Our 4 glass panels are much smaller. I’ll challenge anybody with a 20 fish survival rate from PETCO. You buy 20 fish and I’ll buy 20 fish. This must be documented via a VLOG. You dump them into your tank W/O any QT or Treatment and I’ll prophylactically Treat and QT my fish. At the end of 8 weeks- We’ll compare numbers. Whoever has the most fish wins. 😉 Any takers?!! Just let me know.
You mentioned after fish get ich they might be immune next time they get stressed I don’t think so let’s related to A leech, A leech can use you as a host just like ich and when you see it and you remove it ,next time you go to the lake for swimming and and you see a leech you can’t think oh it’s OK I’m immune
This is one of the best vids on this topic. Only remark i got to say. Comparing ich in reef tanks and the wild imo is not how it works. In the wild the density of fish compared to water is way different making it harder to attach to a fish in the wild. All the other stuff sounds spot on to me.
Every fish you have ever kept was proactively treated with Copper and prolly Formalin among other antibiotics. Their literally wouldnt be a Marine Ornamental hobby without proactive treatments. Taking wild animals out of the ocean and putting them into a closed system without treating them will almost always result in mass deaths. Ich isnt a problem in the ocean it is an aquarium issue.
Ich isnt a problem in the ocean because its the ocean and the ich is dealing with millions upon millions of hosts.. ich most definately exists in the ocean and acts exactly the same in the ocean, it is a himself in a closed system because the system is well.. CLOSED. 🤷♀️ your comment was a silly one.
@@JewessChrstnMystic Huh? Who said Ich doesn't exist on the ocean? I said its not a problem in the ocean because of the exact reasons YOU mentioned. 😂🤣 You good?
My process.... 1 water changes.... Lots of them with sand siphoning everytime.... Bump temp to 80 to speed life cycle.... Treat with ich attack stuff that's discontinued..... Bc it was a prescription type med it's no longer available over the counter.... Got a full bottle on back up though
I have two tangs right now that have beat severe ich infestations a couple times and survived..... Usually i will only treat if I see severe issues but mostly they can eventually become more resistant to it.... The tank is decades old so it's had its fair share of inhabitants....
There is no such thing as ich free reef tank assuming there are fish in the tank... In the oceans the fish get ich a lot of it, but they are in constant swimming and this is how most of them survive it, cuz when the parasites comes of the fish, the fish is already somewhere where there is no ich or the immune system of the fish is strong enough to battle the ich. And opposite if the fish dies it is not because of ich, it is because of that the immune system of that fish is so weak that fish get other nasty stuff like all kinds of fungus and than that fish dies or more possibly be eaten by predatory animal. This is how mother nature get deals with weaks organisms. So when I see ich on any of the new fish that I have in my QT tank I never use cooper cuz even if the fish survive the ich which is very likely to, that fish's life is shortened for sure. P. S. sorry for my english
So in other words don’t panic and let nature take its course. I introduced some fish that was in a 22 year old set up and they brought ick with them. Half my fish have it and the other half are fine. I guess I’ll see what happens. Before watching this I purchased copper power and was about to catch everything and put them in QT. I like how you described it as Chemo.
Up till now I've liked these videos but telling people not to qt is just ridiculous. 1. Tank transfer method is an amazing alternative to aggressive copper treatment (copper however can save u from velvet) 2. Galic harms the fish's liver. 3. Qt your coral and inverts for 72 days and ur safe (inch cant feed on inverts 72 days and they starve). 4. Mother nature and dont play God??? Your simulating an ocean in a glass box. 5. Lastly, ich is like a mosquito. Walk the forest u get bit a few times. Bring all the mosquitos into a small bedroom and you will constantly be feed on. Not running a qt system and at least doing the tank transfer method is not a solution is a lazy disservice to your new fish and existing fish. (1 point on ricos reef about ich dying from inbreeding....ich is a parasite that multiplies it does not sexually reproduce.)
I’m All for people setting up Qt to monitor fish. You Have to also see that most newer reefers in the hobby will never Qt not because they don’t want to but just don’t have the space. This was intended for those people which I fall into. Giving you this alternative if you cannot qt I feel is the best as I mentioned IN MY EXPERIENCE. but I feel you you have the space for a qt to view the fish that’s a no brainer 🤙🏼
Let’s face it. If we get a room of 10 reefers maybe 2/3 will qt. So I’d rather teach you the ways to work around it than just trying to drill into you qt.
I can appreciate that not everyone has the space for a qt tank. However as with all progressions in the hobby we will always stride to perfect our ways. There are many ways to do things. Coral for.example. I can still keep sps alive using tap water but surviving is not thriving. Similarly, I can plop and drop fish and they will live but living a healthy and happy life is debatable. As you suggested putting fish through cimo isn't always the best option. And this isnt the only way and hypo and tank transfer are alternatives. But like you wouldn't want to put your child through cimo for no reason you also wouldn't want to put them into a room full of germs and virus either nor would you introduce someone with a infections parisite to a classroom full of children. I enjoy your channel and ricos alike. All I'm saying is that both of you speak strongly about a method that "can" work but isnt what people should stride to achieve. As a UA-camr you have an influence to the hobby and what you say can go along way. Many years ago we cycling tanks with damsels but now we know better. Well just maybe we should also put plop and drop in the past and try to find better ways to give the best possible chance in our little glass oceans. Thank you for your videos and please continue to do what you do my friend.
Absolutely! Very good explanation. This is the same "story" as immunity within our own microbiome - good gut health is the same as good tank health. The choices are the same too - would we rather have chemo (or shots in our arms) to build immunity synthetically or naturally? Sure, things can get out of hand but in most cases it is because several factors were weakening us in the first place. The "cure" with the most power will always be bio-LOGICAL. Thanks again for your time and video!
I agree with the general idea of what you are saying..but not everything..i feel its a little primitive to let mother nature entirely decide the fate of our fish..fish building up immunity is true in the majority of cases but what if the fish is severely immunocompromised..putting them in a QT and treating them would be better..i like Rx with malachite green and formalin better than copper..it should have fewer long term effects and is invertebrate safe (not coral safe)..Rx with this for 3 days to 1 week and a water change..after which the fish stays in QT until its eating well and no longer immunocompromised..ideally 6 weeks..is the best way to go..I completely agree with you against preemptively treating new fish..they should however still be put in a QT and observed for a month..this also gives you a chance to get them used to the food you are feeding..as the flow rates are not crazy in QTs..
I never quarantine any of my fish I feel picking them up bagging them then adding them to a new environment would stress any one out , why would i add more stress to the poor fish , Al my fish have got ich at one point in time and sometimes it last weeks sometimes it falls right off but they never die or stop eating. Most I’ve ever done is fresh water dip. And I add organic powder ginger , garlic and vitamins to their food 😁
I agree with you. The most I’ve done to healthy looking new fish was a fresh water dip. However, I just tore down my 8yr old tank that I’ve neglected the last 2 yrs. Replaced 75% of the rock and put in a new healthy looking yellow tang. This was 2 weeks ago and now all the fish I’ve had for over 6 yrs are dead. Some, in just a day after getting infected. I think everyone was stressed due to the tear down. BUT the new tang is still alive and eating. It gets heavily covered with ich and clears every couple of days unlike the others. I medicated with kick-ich by ruby reef with no visible effects. At this point, I’m just going to stop feeding it and keep the tank without fish for a couple of months. It’s cruel and breaks my heart.
These are UA-cam personalities not marine biologist. Always QT fish. Don’t depend on the fish store it’s your responsibility period. Cross contamination can happen at fish stores I see it on a daily basis. These are living beings and deserve our best efforts. Fish stores treat copper and prazypro , general cure , etc. Rotter rube and fish of hex videos on this topic is far more accurate. I subscribe to you awhile back but this video is irresponsible. Yes ich can and will kill fish it’s just a matter of time.
I had problems with ich a few weeks ago. I ended up losing one jewell damsel, one serranus and one gramma. At first, as I have a ton of rock work and find it impossible to get any fish out of the tank, I let nature run its course. When I lost the first three fish, I got pissed and decided to do something about it. First I began to feed the fish like crazy in order to improve their immune system. A huge variety of food! Then I raised the temperature a little bit and added stress guard (double dose). I also decreased the salinity (1025 to 1020). It worked like a charm! The rest of the fish survived with no problems whatsoever!
If copper worries you consider/ don't buy live stock from lfs that have massive singular systems.... These shops often keep copper in these systems..... Always ask!
Good video! Ive only dealt with freshwater ich and my local fish store gave me a medicine for the fish that cured it all in 1-2 weeks. Also i dont believe that the world is "billions and billions" of years old but to each is own.
Not my style to dump on a youtuber, especially because I think that he’s well intentioned. However, there are many many inaccuracies in this video and flat out wrong information, assumptions, analogies, and conclusions given in this video. I’ve read through the responses to this video and agree with most of the experiences hobbyist that have spoken against the practice and viewpoints of the video maker. No disrespect meant, but he is not aligned with what we scientifically understand about Ich, the mechanisms for proliferation, treatment processes, and potential for fish fatality. Anyone interested should do their research on the topic and not rely on anecdotal testimonies. Anecdotal testimonies prove nothing because they are for events that occurred in non-controlled environments with uncontrolled variables. There is a reason that the scientific method is universally accepted amongst the scientific and medical communities. Relying solely on anecdotal “evidence” is unreliable and lazy. There is some good info in this video, but unfortunately it is coupled with some really bad advice and based on several assumptions in vital areas of understanding.
until you have an outbrake of ich/velvet that could kill all the fish in your tank it may change your mind. quarantine and treat every fish/invertrabate and coral that way you don't introduce anything bad in ur DP.
I feel your opinion is based on you saying you've never lost a fish to ick. Ick has killed many fish and wiped out tanks. If you have not experienced that first hand then you do not understand the urgency of why people seek treatment options asap when they see it. You've just been very very lucky. But I've lost fish to ick and it's a terrible feeling. A lax approach when seeing ick in your tank is not good advice and based on you not having the typical ick nightmare. Ick in gills can slowly suffocate the fish. It can cause bacterial infection that kill the fish. To just let it 'ride out' is cruel. There are ttm and other more natural first steps other than copper.
Great video I had ich a week later I added 2 clown fish and one showed signs I fed the hell out of the tank turned temp up and was gone ASAP so true these fish need to be allowed to develop an immune system
I respect someone’s opinion and I know you have a large UA-cam fan base I’m one. But your assumptions on ich i find humorous. Let me elaborate. First how could a fish build an immunity to a parasite? Using your analogy that would be like saying I went camping and everyone got ate up by mosquitoes except me because I have an immunity to them cus I was bitten before. I agree fish have a way of combating ich “wild fish” not tank raised aquacultured animals these animals can be devastated in a closed tank system by ich. There’s has been many studies done showing the life cycle of ich and its a safe assumption to follow the 72 day rule when dealing with an ich infestation. Everything wet needs a qt period of 72 days with exception to soft tissued animals such as star fish. Studies have shown ich cannot encrust on soft tissue like wise inverts such as crabs or shrimp that molt there qt period is done once they molt if they have been in qt 1 day and molt they can go into the display. It has also been shown cooper is poisonous and I’m sure there could be long term effects of copper exposure but it’s also been shown fish can handle a therapeutic amount which is lethal to ich. There’s also ways to treat fish with cu that lessons there exposure time but this takes a lot of explanation that’s another subject
I believe you are on the right tract.I had a store many years ago and I found that once your water matures eg.over one year.Now if you have perfect water levels and you find out if your local fish store does copper and for how long.You can use this as a tool from where you will purchase your fish from.I know some stores keep copper in there tanks all the time to keep diseases away.Now if you purchase such a fish you will have a weak fish that has been in copper for who knows for how long.So you place fish in your tank and all of a sudden you have ich.Even if you quarantine for a time,ich takes time.This is only my own personal experience that if you feed correctly and purchase your fish from stores that you trust your fish will never get ich.I never used meds in my store and my supplier only did a short dipp.Now thats not to say there wasn't ich in my system but the fish could fight it off.Keep them well fed and you should be fine.I hope this helps those people who are frustrated.Remember keep it natural happy reefing
It seems Ich is the aquarium version of COVID19, 98% of the fish will get through it just fine. As reef keepers its important to gauge our response and to not make the situation worse than it has to be. Looking after the basics and providing an adequate amount of care focusing on food, clean water, and cleaner shrimp? seems to be a reasonable plan of attack. Great video I am battling my first time ICH right now and this was encouraging.
im also a huge fan of RICO. I agree 100 percent. I have 7 fish in my 90 for over 2 years now. the one tang had a couple spots at first. it went away after a few days of the cleaner shrimp eating off the tang. been 2 years now and no ick. and I never did a QT on my fish. I observed them at my LSF. POP AND DROP.
Word. I have a blue hippo tang. I was trying to move him from 75g to 120g aquarium. In between of the transfer I put him into a quarantine tank. I didn't put any medicine in the quarantine, because he's healthy (just like your analogy, why add copper medicine to a healthy fish). I just fed him good, nori, pellets, etc. After 3 weeks I moved him to the 120g tank and he's starting to get ich. But I didn't want to chase and catch him (I was afraid that'd stress him out) so I just let it be and feed him as usual. I raised the temp for 2 weeks. The ich went away and never come back. PS: the ich didn't affect the other fish in the 120g.
Very happy to hear. Good think you used qt as observation 🤙🏼
hi, how high temp, you raise to treat saltwater fish ice, thanks
Hey, I just turned off the chiller to raise the temperature. And it was around 76-80 degree Fahrenheit. To be honest, I didn't really know 100% whether it was the hippo tang's antibody to repel the ich (via eating good; pellet / nori, etc) or it was actually the temperature. As far as I know, the white spot life cycle is around 6 days at warm temperatures. If within those 6 days the white spot can't infect any of the fish because they're healthy. They will disappear from your aquarium by itself. I just added another week just to be safe. He is still alive in my aquarium, swimming healthy full with energy and I've never seen the ich coming back to the blue hippo tang or any other fish.
Is the hippo tang doing well after all this time?
@@elpiritas1615 yep, it's been 1.5 year since the last time he got the ich white spot. I haven't seen him got it anymore.
That’s awesome to hear. Just starting out and I am freaking out about ich, but I’m glad to hear that I don’t have to stress out so much about it. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it 🤙🏼
Perfect timing. I just noticed a few spots on a yellow tang this morning
This is one of those times I'm extremely grateful for starting out in freshwater. In freshwater, ICH was always compared to the chicken pox. It has the potential to become bad based on the health, etc. However, once they had it, and get past it, they are immune. Thank you for this video!!!!!
Loved this video brother. I will agree with you. I put a yellow tang in my tank a week ago and well it showed ich. All I have been doing is feeding it good foods and a variety and it completely went away. I hate adding harsh chemicals to a tank. Thanks for what you do brother.
Thanks for this video even though it’s older it’s still relevant. Dealing with ich in two separate ways because I have two tanks. I’m experimenting. One tank I’m curing it with Ich-X and the other that has ich is a new tank and new fish without quarantining them . The other tank I’m just raising them temp and making sure I feed more often but smaller doses
I fully agree. Do it the same way, two tangs had ich at the beginning and didn't want to eat. Gave them a lot of frozen food with garlice, 5 days later no more spots and since then no outbreaks anymore. Great video good thoughts.
Very happy it worked for you and they are now doing fine 🤙🏼
Interesting video... But bad advice IMO. A couple of thoughts: I've never seen a formal study that shows using Copper as directed shortens the life of a fish. Fish in the ocean aren't in a closed system where the parasites reproduce exponentially. Garlic can be toxic to fish. You mention proactively treating fish is inhumane... in reality risking the lives of all your tank inhabitants by introducing a potentially sick fish is way worse. These parasites, and not just ick, aren't always visible until later. Proper QT can keep your system 100% parasite free, just set up a separate small QT for inverts and coral, and a hospital tank for new fish. 👍
Again we will all have our ways of thinking not saying you are right or wrong just your thoughts an opinion which I respect and you are entitled to. Everything I talked about was based on my personal experience and information I gathered from reefers with 10-20 years experience. At the end of the day you have to decide what route you want to take. My method has yet to have an issue not only in my tanks but the tanks I have helped people set up. Again I respect your opinion and what you say and appreciate you taking the time to comment. As always happy reefing
@@eatsleepreef9565 It's a great channel. Thanks for the outstanding content! It's an interesting topic. One final thing to consider is that there a far more dangerous parasites than ick that can end up in a system without an observation period at a minimum. Setting up a QT is so easy and inexpensive... I'm not sure why there would be any reluctance. Happy reefing to you as well! 🐠
Ya for sure. I agreed that we should set up OBSERVATION TANKS. Not nuke the poor fish of copper or other meds if they show no symptoms of anything 🤙🏼
Im glad this is the top comment. EatSleepReef has some great content but this one is off the mark.
@@eatsleepreef9565 right now I have fish in my qt with a light amount of copper. I saw a spot on one of my clowns this morning.so I'm gonna start ramping it up. Not much of a choice.
Best tank I have ever seen man. U deserve more subscribers
So I’m super glad I found this video. I’m just starting out and have built a QT hospital tank. Now I had no intention of medicating the fish, but everyone seems to suggest you should. I was planning to QT them for 3/4 weeks and observe, if I felt anything was off I’d revisit medication.
Just like IRL I feel we over medicate, I’m perfectly happy taking medications but would prefer to change diet, lifestyle first etc.
New to the hobby and I lean toward your philosophy. Beautiful tank you have!
New Sub what I see Damn good info straight to the point
Agree once you get ich unless you wanna let your tank go dry for a year it's always present and IMO ONLY shows when you introduce new fish improperly which can vary in a hundred different ways
I think the most humain treatement would be seting up an observation tank for the new fish. Feed them well for at least 4 weeks and if everything is fine, use an acclimation box for introducing them in the DT. In this way the stress is greatly readuced and the risc of geting a parasite minimized. If the fish developed simtoms in the observation tank, then treat it accordingly. I will never just "pop and drop". And another onservation tank for inverts is also important. Not only for the fish parasites, but for the coral parasites also.
Ya I agree observation tanks is the way to go if
You do want to qt
When I first setup my JBJ 45 I found your videos and while researching Ich I found your videos again…I’m still BLOWN away with your tank I can’t believe this channel hasn’t exploded. Hope all is well looking forward to some new videos if you decide to get back on YT👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Ruby reef Rally and Kick ich 14-21 day treatment and couple with UV lightning and evening water changes. The mobile parasite stage is most active during that period and also has best opportunities to latch onto fish while sleeping. Temp to 80F. Ich is always in our tanks.
Certainly some fish are also more resistant.
I am no where near the level of the experienced reefers but in my 2 years of reefing, I have had 2 fish that have had ich and multiple that were bought beat up with damaged fins. I have never actually quarantined. All have recovered fully. I want to say it has been my tank maintenance and a quality diet.
Good diet goes a long way for sure
I have non medicated observation tanks and a hospital tank just in case I need to medicate. I agree with observing first.
Totally!!
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I agree with observation but as eatsleepreef mentioned his videos are based with the new reefer in mind and telling them qt and observe a fish without explaining what to look for is like making a video about ich that doesn’t tell you how to cure it
Do you still stand by this method? I’m kind of in between myself. I ask because I saw you put a later video doing quarantine. Thanks
Can it live in freshwater at all? I have it on a Molly that was in a saltwater tank, I’ve put her in a freshwater tank and I’m assuming it will die off, correct?
I totally agree, when I first started I lost more fish quarantining than with Ick , now I just keep them fat and healthy and never had a problem ever since.
My emperor angel has had ich for over 3 months, he eats like a cow, but has yet to shake it. Not sure what to do. He flashes every now and then, nothing crazy
It will leave give it time
FYI to all the ones watching this do not buy from any pet stores like petco, pet smart ect…. Go to your LFS and always checkout every tank before even looking at the stock
I would just like to ask.. Is this still your opinion to this day?
My fish have a few spots of ich, I've left it so far but am tempted to freshwater dip at least. I haven't so far just want to know if your view of the subject is unchanged?
So your saying ich can magically show and appear in your tank? If your fish get stressed? I thought ich ate living things pest from what your saying is ich are in all reef tanks and just show up when fish are weak or stress?
I'm a big fan of Humblefish's Tank Transfer Method. Safest way to prevent ich for all fish and requires no medication. But you have to do it before you add the fish to your tank. And get your snails from reefcleaners their inverts and systems are fishless. Peace and Love ^_^
I have a bad case of ich I don’t know if I should put them in a quarantine tank with copper to try to cure them faster being that it’s so bad
THANK YOU! Im battling Ich right now for the last 2 weeks and i stress 4 of my fishes putting them in QT with copper and died. SMH
I’ve been fighting ich for 1.5 months I miss having fish in my tank :(
For such a brilliant reefer you have some serious misinformation--and I do not think this is a matter of opinion.
Noga, a professor of veterinary medicine, has written a book on fish diseases. I'm some ways he's too "balanced," but his work plus the experience of Bob Fenner is tremendously powerful.
1/ Sometimes fish do develop at least a partial immunity to Cryptocaryon, but this cannot be depended on.
2/ If copper leads to early fish death, you'll probably not know it because commercial fish sellers almost always dose copper and keep a hyposaline tank. Copper is not like chemo--except to a small number of species, including clownfish, that are sensitive to it.
3/ Infected fish might have a low level infection. THEY might be fine, eventually, but the fish they will infect in the display tank might not be so lucky.
4/ Much is now known about marine parasitic diseases. A fairly gentle but very effective medicine is Chloroquine Phosphate. It's now available as Spectrum Ick Guard powder. If used prophylactically it is extremely effective and well handled. Hypo + increased heat helps speed up the cure but will not cure by themselves.
5/ Corals and inverts may carry the ich parasite, but this parasite cannot feed on them. That means a quarantine in a fishless system will kill off the parasite. Given that a quarantine tank will be lacking refuge for the parasite, typically 16 days should be enough. Risk averse people would go up to 45 days. Anyway, one should be dipping coral, which requires a separate tank.
6/ In nature, as Voltaire said, spiders eat flies. Given the ways we deviate from nature's water quality and create artificially high concentrations of disease, the least we can do is to clean up fish problems before they kill our tanks. Fish death leads to exit from the hobby.
7/ Finally, to repeat, you are astonishingly gifted. I certainly trust your advice on nearly everything reef related. But not on this.
skzion2 Thank you so much for making the comment I learned a lot from reading it
I think of ich to fish like a common cold to humans , it never goes away but if you are healthy and eating well you most likely wont get sick to often if at all
1000% dead on 😊
My emperor angelfish has had fin rot for 10 days, and ich at nights, today he didnot want to eat....and jumped half of his body out of the water frequently.....no medication yet, other 5 fish are ok
Try using garlic to entice him to eat. As long as he keeps eatting he will fight it off
@@eatsleepreef9565 too bad he died this morning
@@anwarnoerdy Melafix is a known and 100% natural oil from the melaleuca tree that is safe to use on your fish for fin rot. Please go get some and heal your future fish that get rot or damaged fins.
Excellent video. I agree with you. Keep the Fish Inmune System up and feed them up.
I have had the same experience. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Comparing your 90 gallon tank to the ocean is a stretch. The reason ich isn't a problem in the ocean is because the vastness of the ocean negates ich. Sure they get it but when it falls off the fish is long gone by the time it comes back with it's life cycle.
Noticed ick on my fish. Didnt do anything but add garlic to their food. Few days went by and Theyre all dead now. Any products i couldve used like paraguard or something to build up the fishes ammune system or is it all in buying quality fish food?
Have a question for you need some help been experiencing some white spots on my fish in my tank I have a lot of coral so I’m on able to catch them, i’m using Dr. G’s caviar and extreme garlic..
What’s your thoughts on polyp lab medic I’m getting so many mixed reviews??
Can I ask what method your using for your tank as it looks absolutely stunning.
I use tank transfer method. Defiantly should do some type of QT there is a lot more out there then just ich.
I’ve learned this the hard way, saw one spot of ich and right away put the fish in medication, died the next day, lost a good amount of money that way, now I just make sure they have plenty of food and make sure they eat it.
Sad you lost it but glad you learned from it. I don’t medicate at all
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👍 up to you !!!
That is why I follow you because your the way your Reef tank looks, speaks millions than a goofball with dead stone,sad looking corals . I been doing everything you said in your videos about ,flow ,lights,feeding etc and my nano tank looks as beautiful and colorful as yours!!! Thank you !!!!
Have you try’d the polyp lab medic to cure ick ?
No. I hear it works great though
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Doesn't work I fell for it too and lost twice
Definitly does not work its just peroxide i use it use it for algae contol lol works great for that
TTM has worked tremendously great for me. No copper needed. No snake oil ich cures needed.
Hey, if I added copper in my display. May I add the corals after some time has passed?
Great video some great points never really seen it that way, but I think I’m gonna try I have a coral beauty angel right now seeing some few white spots on it and was thinking about qt it in copper.
I’ll definitely give it a shot your way and monitor it I’ll keep you updated.
Would love to hear the outcome. As long as it is eatting it WILL fight it off and you will see it will never come back again
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Didn’t see your hippo tang in the video where is he?
Thanks for your video I am just seeing it now 5 years later . I have a powder blue who had ICH I just left him alone it corrected itself.my blue face koi had it too , I left them both alone they recovered without any medication.
I think is video made more sense than any other did
I believed this before it worked twenty years for me, never treat nothing. But recently I lost near all fish. Believe me now all will be QT with treatment, it is not work the risk when they are solutions
I went for almost 3 years before I got my first ICH outbreak which was bought on by a sharp rise in temperature while I was away on my holidays and subsequent tank crash stressing the fish. I went to work breaking my tank down to remove fish, setting up a hospital tank and despite all my hard work and money I lost over half my fish 😔 after 4 months I put the remaining fish back in the main tank and everything was great for the next 6 weeks. But then my brother decided to close his tank down and I inherited some of his fish, within 2 weeks I had ICH again and lost all (5) but one of the fish I got from him but strangely none of my own. I went through the same process as before with the hospital tank and very nearly gave the hobby up and the only reason I didn’t was because I’m very attached to Gary the Yellow Watchman Goby!
There is such a lot of work and cost both in money and time doing this the “proper way” I just don’t think I can anymore, if and when I do get ICH again I’m following EAT SLEEP Reefs advice.
I like your video, you are right. My fish had ich and now it is gone, just leave the fish alone and it will fight ich out. Thank you for what you do!!!
Ya I agree leave it alone and it will go away. Glad you enjoy the vids 😁
30 years of doing this. Never had a fish with ick. Never quarantined or treated anything. Maybe I’m just lucky or not. But I always gave my fish plenty of room. So no fighting or stress. And I always double filtrate.
Just lucky it worked 20 years for me a one week ago I near lost all
Definitely a controversial topic so let me add my thoughts as there will be strong opinions on both sides. There are multiple ways of getting rid of ich and copper is only one of the proven ways. There is the tank transfer method, chloroquine phosphate, and hyposalininty. If you think that treating your fish with copper is like giving chemo to someone without cancer that is a really tough one to agree with you or Rico. I ask you this though. Do you get a flu shot? You said it should help prevent you from getting that strand again. However, there are thousands if not millions of different strands of the flu. That flu shot only covers one. So why bother taking a shot if your not guaranteed to not get the flu? Also ich is not the biggest reason to QT. There are much worse parasites out there that are tank killers and act fast. Putting your entire tank at risk is way worse then properly qt'ing. Lastly your title is clickbait, there was no advice given on how to get rid of ich forever. Personally I think it is not impossible to get rid of ich, it just takes more time, energy, and due diligence then most people will ever want to do. Yes you would need to qt all of your corals and inverts for 76+ days before introducing them to the main display to ensure they are not bringing ich along with them. 99% of people out there wont do this. I don't believe ich is a tank killer but I still QT for the other really bad stuff out there. You probably have been lucky so far but deal with Marine velvet and you will probably change the way you do things. Just my humble opinion for what it is worth.
You are surely not in the wrong but as I mentioned above these videos are more intended for the newer reefer getting into it. Let’s face it in a room of 10 reefers we will be lucky to find 2 that do qt especially if you are newer. So I’d rather teach you my way which I cannot set up a qt than make a video drilling you saying you cannot have a tank without qt. I respect your opinion and you surely made great points 😊
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Spot on totally agree.
I just like to buy from a good lfs and that the fish is eating..
Oh man this video is hard to watch it goes on and on and I am just trying to find the best way to treat
Where did your tang go?;)
Rehomed as I had promised 🤗
Not gonna get too deep into this one, but I’ll give my opinion in a nice way. First off... it’s not only Ich that most reefers try to avoid. It’s Velvet, Brook, Uronema, Internal Parasites, Flukes, Bacterial Infections, etc. I respectfully disagree with your baby analogy and some of the other logic. Prophylactically treating for various maladies is not a bad practice considering that many fish do not always show visual symptoms immediately- if at all. Sometimes when visual symptoms are finally observed- it’s simply too late. We’re not dealing with millions of gallons of ocean water here. When parasites multiply in our tiny reef tanks the numbers are ridiculously overwhelming for the fish. Our small water volumes stack the odds against the fish. Of course some fish do build immunity and overcome, but many will not. Long ago...when I didn’t QT or prophylactically treat for internal and external parasites... I lost so many more fish. Not to mention all the money 💵 I’ve thrown away over the years. One may have good luck for a while, but eventually he’ll likely run into major issues. Of course there’s the argument of letting the fish build up natural immunity, but like I previously stated...we’re not keeping them in the ocean. Our 4 glass panels are much smaller. I’ll challenge anybody with a 20 fish survival rate from PETCO. You buy 20 fish and I’ll buy 20 fish. This must be documented via a VLOG. You dump them into your tank W/O any QT or Treatment and I’ll prophylactically Treat and QT my fish. At the end of 8 weeks- We’ll compare numbers. Whoever has the most fish wins. 😉 Any takers?!! Just let me know.
Reefahholic Nicely argued.
skzion2 - Thx
You mentioned after fish get ich they might be immune next time they get stressed I don’t think so let’s related to A leech, A leech can use you as a host just like ich and when you see it and you remove it ,next time you go to the lake for swimming and and you see a leech you can’t think oh it’s OK I’m immune
This is one of the best vids on this topic. Only remark i got to say. Comparing ich in reef tanks and the wild imo is not how it works. In the wild the density of fish compared to water is way different making it harder to attach to a fish in the wild. All the other stuff sounds spot on to me.
Every fish you have ever kept was proactively treated with Copper and prolly Formalin among other antibiotics. Their literally wouldnt be a Marine Ornamental hobby without proactive treatments. Taking wild animals out of the ocean and putting them into a closed system without treating them will almost always result in mass deaths. Ich isnt a problem in the ocean it is an aquarium issue.
Ich isnt a problem in the ocean because its the ocean and the ich is dealing with millions upon millions of hosts.. ich most definately exists in the ocean and acts exactly the same in the ocean, it is a himself in a closed system because the system is well.. CLOSED. 🤷♀️ your comment was a silly one.
@@JewessChrstnMystic Huh? Who said Ich doesn't exist on the ocean? I said its not a problem in the ocean because of the exact reasons YOU mentioned. 😂🤣
You good?
My process.... 1 water changes.... Lots of them with sand siphoning everytime.... Bump temp to 80 to speed life cycle.... Treat with ich attack stuff that's discontinued..... Bc it was a prescription type med it's no longer available over the counter.... Got a full bottle on back up though
I have two tangs right now that have beat severe ich infestations a couple times and survived..... Usually i will only treat if I see severe issues but mostly they can eventually become more resistant to it.... The tank is decades old so it's had its fair share of inhabitants....
There is no such thing as ich free reef tank assuming there are fish in the tank... In the oceans the fish get ich a lot of it, but they are in constant swimming and this is how most of them survive it, cuz when the parasites comes of the fish, the fish is already somewhere where there is no ich or the immune system of the fish is strong enough to battle the ich. And opposite if the fish dies it is not because of ich, it is because of that the immune system of that fish is so weak that fish get other nasty stuff like all kinds of fungus and than that fish dies or more possibly be eaten by predatory animal. This is how mother nature get deals with weaks organisms. So when I see ich on any of the new fish that I have in my QT tank I never use cooper cuz even if the fish survive the ich which is very likely to, that fish's life is shortened for sure.
P. S. sorry for my english
So in other words don’t panic and let nature take its course. I introduced some fish that was in a 22 year old set up and they brought ick with them. Half my fish have it and the other half are fine. I guess I’ll see what happens. Before watching this I purchased copper power and was about to catch everything and put them in QT. I like how you described it as Chemo.
Up till now I've liked these videos but telling people not to qt is just ridiculous. 1. Tank transfer method is an amazing alternative to aggressive copper treatment (copper however can save u from velvet) 2. Galic harms the fish's liver. 3. Qt your coral and inverts for 72 days and ur safe (inch cant feed on inverts 72 days and they starve). 4. Mother nature and dont play God??? Your simulating an ocean in a glass box. 5. Lastly, ich is like a mosquito. Walk the forest u get bit a few times. Bring all the mosquitos into a small bedroom and you will constantly be feed on. Not running a qt system and at least doing the tank transfer method is not a solution is a lazy disservice to your new fish and existing fish. (1 point on ricos reef about ich dying from inbreeding....ich is a parasite that multiplies it does not sexually reproduce.)
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All for people setting up
Qt to monitor fish. You
Have to also see that most newer reefers in the hobby will never Qt not because they don’t want to but just don’t have the space. This was intended for those people which I fall into. Giving you this alternative if you cannot qt I feel is the best as I mentioned IN MY EXPERIENCE. but I feel you you have the space for a qt to view the fish that’s a no brainer 🤙🏼
Let’s face it. If we get a room of 10 reefers maybe 2/3 will qt. So I’d rather teach you the ways to work around it than just trying to drill into you qt.
I can appreciate that not everyone has the space for a qt tank. However as with all progressions in the hobby we will always stride to perfect our ways. There are many ways to do things. Coral for.example. I can still keep sps alive using tap water but surviving is not thriving. Similarly, I can plop and drop fish and they will live but living a healthy and happy life is debatable. As you suggested putting fish through cimo isn't always the best option. And this isnt the only way and hypo and tank transfer are alternatives. But like you wouldn't want to put your child through cimo for no reason you also wouldn't want to put them into a room full of germs and virus either nor would you introduce someone with a infections parisite to a classroom full of children. I enjoy your channel and ricos alike. All I'm saying is that both of you speak strongly about a method that "can" work but isnt what people should stride to achieve. As a UA-camr you have an influence to the hobby and what you say can go along way. Many years ago we cycling tanks with damsels but now we know better. Well just maybe we should also put plop and drop in the past and try to find better ways to give the best possible chance in our little glass oceans. Thank you for your videos and please continue to do what you do my friend.
Absolutely! Very good explanation. This is the same "story" as immunity within our own microbiome - good gut health is the same as good tank health. The choices are the same too - would we rather have chemo (or shots in our arms) to build immunity synthetically or naturally? Sure, things can get out of hand but in most cases it is because several factors were weakening us in the first place. The "cure" with the most power will always be bio-LOGICAL. Thanks again for your time and video!
I agree with the general idea of what you are saying..but not everything..i feel its a little primitive to let mother nature entirely decide the fate of our fish..fish building up immunity is true in the majority of cases but what if the fish is severely immunocompromised..putting them in a QT and treating them would be better..i like Rx with malachite green and formalin better than copper..it should have fewer long term effects and is invertebrate safe (not coral safe)..Rx with this for 3 days to 1 week and a water change..after which the fish stays in QT until its eating well and no longer immunocompromised..ideally 6 weeks..is the best way to go..I completely agree with you against preemptively treating new fish..they should however still be put in a QT and observed for a month..this also gives you a chance to get them used to the food you are feeding..as the flow rates are not crazy in QTs..
I never quarantine any of my fish I feel picking them up bagging them then adding them to a new environment would stress any one out , why would i add more stress to the poor fish , Al my fish have got ich at one point in time and sometimes it last weeks sometimes it falls right off but they never die or stop eating. Most I’ve ever done is fresh water dip. And I add organic powder ginger , garlic and vitamins to their food 😁
I agree with you. The most I’ve done to healthy looking new fish was a fresh water dip.
However, I just tore down my 8yr old tank that I’ve neglected the last 2 yrs. Replaced 75% of the rock and put in a new healthy looking yellow tang. This was 2 weeks ago and now all the fish I’ve had for over 6 yrs are dead. Some, in just a day after getting infected.
I think everyone was stressed due to the tear down. BUT the new tang is still alive and eating. It gets heavily covered with ich and clears every couple of days unlike the others. I medicated with kick-ich by ruby reef with no visible effects.
At this point, I’m just going to stop feeding it and keep the tank without fish for a couple of months. It’s cruel and breaks my heart.
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What about use UV ,they will get rid of it
These are UA-cam personalities not marine biologist. Always QT fish. Don’t depend on the fish store it’s your responsibility period. Cross contamination can happen at fish stores I see it on a daily basis. These are living beings and deserve our best efforts. Fish stores treat copper and prazypro , general cure , etc. Rotter rube and fish of hex videos on this topic is far more accurate. I subscribe to you awhile back but this video is irresponsible. Yes ich can and will kill fish it’s just a matter of time.
I had problems with ich a few weeks ago. I ended up losing one jewell damsel, one serranus and one gramma. At first, as I have a ton of rock work and find it impossible to get any fish out of the tank, I let nature run its course. When I lost the first three fish, I got pissed and decided to do something about it. First I began to feed the fish like crazy in order to improve their immune system. A huge variety of food! Then I raised the temperature a little bit and added stress guard (double dose). I also decreased the salinity (1025 to 1020). It worked like a charm! The rest of the fish survived with no problems whatsoever!
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What did you raise the temperature to?
Best way to stop ich is don't add new fish
If copper worries you consider/ don't buy live stock from lfs that have massive singular systems.... These shops often keep copper in these systems..... Always ask!
That"s one awesome little tank.
Good video! Ive only dealt with freshwater ich and my local fish store gave me a medicine for the fish that cured it all in 1-2 weeks. Also i dont believe that the world is "billions and billions" of years old but to each is own.
Great video
Not my style to dump on a youtuber, especially because I think that he’s well intentioned. However, there are many many inaccuracies in this video and flat out wrong information, assumptions, analogies, and conclusions given in this video. I’ve read through the responses to this video and agree with most of the experiences hobbyist that have spoken against the practice and viewpoints of the video maker. No disrespect meant, but he is not aligned with what we scientifically understand about Ich, the mechanisms for proliferation, treatment processes, and potential for fish fatality. Anyone interested should do their research on the topic and not rely on anecdotal testimonies. Anecdotal testimonies prove nothing because they are for events that occurred in non-controlled environments with uncontrolled variables. There is a reason that the scientific method is universally accepted amongst the scientific and medical communities. Relying solely on anecdotal “evidence” is unreliable and lazy. There is some good info in this video, but unfortunately it is coupled with some really bad advice and based on several assumptions in vital areas of understanding.
I agree. I have also cured a Blue Tang with Kent Garlic extreme. He is now happy, healthy, and eats like a beast.
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Biggest ick lesson I have learned is that if something is causing ick, you have to fix that issue fists.
Trying telling fishofhex this
I agree with what you and Rico and other. but you can’t compare a fish to a kid or copper to chemo.
The viral load builds up because we don't have ocean currents washing the free swimmers away
the title and thumbnail are clickbait
Haha maybe 🤙🏼 I mean using this method I have rid of ich in my setup and never seen it return 🤷🏻♂️
lot of well known and respected guys in marine hobby use copper when needed though!
Nice tank. Amazing color.
Nice topic and I'm agree with you all the way👍👍👍
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until you have an outbrake of ich/velvet that could kill all the fish in your tank it may change your mind. quarantine and treat every fish/invertrabate and coral that way you don't introduce anything bad in ur DP.
52 people probably didn’t touch a fish yet
I feel your opinion is based on you saying you've never lost a fish to ick. Ick has killed many fish and wiped out tanks. If you have not experienced that first hand then you do not understand the urgency of why people seek treatment options asap when they see it. You've just been very very lucky. But I've lost fish to ick and it's a terrible feeling. A lax approach when seeing ick in your tank is not good advice and based on you not having the typical ick nightmare. Ick in gills can slowly suffocate the fish. It can cause bacterial infection that kill the fish. To just let it 'ride out' is cruel. There are ttm and other more natural first steps other than copper.
Rico’s live stream the other day was the best
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Great video I had ich a week later I added 2 clown fish and one showed signs I fed the hell out of the tank turned temp up and was gone ASAP so true these fish need to be allowed to develop an immune system
What temperature did you raise the tank to?
@@theurbanartist775 78 ish feed feed feed good stuff like fresh clams that has bacterial
I respect someone’s opinion and I know you have a large UA-cam fan base I’m one. But your assumptions on ich i find humorous. Let me elaborate. First how could a fish build an immunity to a parasite? Using your analogy that would be like saying I went camping and everyone got ate up by mosquitoes except me because I have an immunity to them cus I was bitten before. I agree fish have a way of combating ich “wild fish” not tank raised aquacultured animals these animals can be devastated in a closed tank system by ich. There’s has been many studies done showing the life cycle of ich and its a safe assumption to follow the 72 day rule when dealing with an ich infestation. Everything wet needs a qt period of 72 days with exception to soft tissued animals such as star fish. Studies have shown ich cannot encrust on soft tissue like wise inverts such as crabs or shrimp that molt there qt period is done once they molt if they have been in qt 1 day and molt they can go into the display. It has also been shown cooper is poisonous and I’m sure there could be long term effects of copper exposure but it’s also been shown fish can handle a therapeutic amount which is lethal to ich. There’s also ways to treat fish with cu that lessons there exposure time but this takes a lot of explanation that’s another subject
I believe you are on the right tract.I had a store many years ago and I found that once your water matures eg.over one year.Now if you have perfect water levels and you find out if your local fish store does copper and for how long.You can use this as a tool from where you will purchase your fish from.I know some stores keep copper in there tanks all the time to keep diseases away.Now if you purchase such a fish you will have a weak fish that has been in copper for who knows for how long.So you place fish in your tank and all of a sudden you have ich.Even if you quarantine for a time,ich takes time.This is only my own personal experience that if you feed correctly and purchase your fish from stores that you trust your fish will never get ich.I never used meds in my store and my supplier only did a short dipp.Now thats not to say there wasn't ich in my system but the fish could fight it off.Keep them well fed and you should be fine.I hope this helps those people who are frustrated.Remember keep it natural happy reefing
Thanks to this vid, even though its a year ago. I was coming to a close of quarantine my clownfish with copper.
Ich is a parasite - the parasite doesnt have a cause... a stress cant magic itself into existence
Thank you so much for this video I needed to hear that I was about to take them out this weekend coming up I’m gonna let nature take it’s course
It seems Ich is the aquarium version of COVID19, 98% of the fish will get through it just fine. As reef keepers its important to gauge our response and to not make the situation worse than it has to be. Looking after the basics and providing an adequate amount of care focusing on food, clean water, and cleaner shrimp? seems to be a reasonable plan of attack. Great video I am battling my first time ICH right now and this was encouraging.
im also a huge fan of RICO. I agree 100 percent. I have 7 fish in my 90 for over 2 years now. the one tang had a couple spots at first. it went away after a few days of the cleaner shrimp eating off the tang. been 2 years now and no ick. and I never did a QT on my fish. I observed them at my LSF. POP AND DROP.
Hahahaha pop and drop!
Asking for problems good luck though bro ..
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It's just like the law in QT, innocent until proven guilty. Why put them thru hard time when they didnt do nothing?
I currently have ich and will report results in a week
Wheres my report
Thanks good info
Chloroquine. Treats velvet brook & ich. My choice. Sweet aquarium you have.