Longest Range Mustang Mach-E Charging Test | 10-80%
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- Before we did our range test from 80 to 10%, we also did a charging test from 10 to 80%. We feel that this range lies right in the sweet spot of where we feel comfortable letting the battery get to and provides a realistic portrayal of what the charging is like.
Gotta admit, it was easy to get used to an EV with this much range!
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10 to 80 is good but also what Kyle is doing a 10% start and 15 minutes charging to see what range you get. Great video I need to do a test on my car.
20-80% is typical for me on road trips. Usually takes about 40 to 45 minutes in my Select mach e at an EA station.
Thanks so much for this good information 😊
😊you just answered my question. Only 2 of 4 chargers were working😳. This is one reason I’ve stopped taking my Mach E on longer road trips
I like the 10% to 80% better than the full charge, but I take issue with minimizing the importance of the charging curve. Traveling the highways of California you can reduce time with more frequent stops charging to less than 80%, but you have to either use a tool or have a good understanding of your charging curve.
I also had an interesting online exchange today in which I learned that many people are wary of driving down to 10%. Planning to arrive at your next charging stop as close to 10% as possible is really key to short charging stops.
Short charging stops aren't just a benefit for you, they benefit everyone because they reduce congestion at the chargers. So, moral of the story, understand the charging curve and choose to stop earlier to reduce time at chargers.
Hi Pat and Liv - FYI even if you have no data plan on the car you can connect the car to a hot spot on your phone to use UA-cam etc. Just go into Connectivity and select the device you have your hot spot on (or a public wifi if you dare).
Great info! Very realistic road tripping percentages I do very similar when I’m on long trips. Sometimes I stop at 67-75% when it’s enough to get to next stop. 45 min 10-80% is still faster than my 2019 Bolt was😮. Glad we got some coffee! See you around 🎉
yes! Was such fun! - Liv
I did 4 charging sessions with Electrify Canada on my way from Toronto to Montreal return. Temperature outside was about 40F. Our charging speed was slightly better then your experience. We were 125 kW speed at start and stayed at between 110 down to 85 for duration from 10% to 80% in 37 minutes and other sessions around 20% to 80% which were also fast. I have noticed the difference since the software update that preconditions battery. Mustang Mach-e 2021 First Edition Grabber Blue.
We charged from 80% to 90% and speed was 43 kW which is what my Bolt used to get.
So quite pleased.
It's not as quick as some other newer models, but it is still pretty quick. We've found the car is done by the time we get our break for the bathroom and snack in.
I rarely do dc fast charging with my Mustang Mach-E. The several times I did I didn't notice how long it took. Just like you I did things to pass the time. That being said, I am trading my Mach-E for a Fisker Ocean One for more mileage and watching movies while charging.
FYI, for the Lane Change game, you can use the dial or touch to control the car.
It is like watching a pot boil when you sit and watch. Like you guys said, you would always combine a charging stop with bathroom, food, or watching videos.
10 to 80 us perfect!
As a MME/Leaf driver, I was getting concerned about use of the ONE CHAdeMO-capable unit until you said that half the dispensers were down. With FordPass or Plug and Charge, we never get the EA subscription rate so prefer tap and pay. Definitely you want a working 350kW dispenser if you are going to compare to Ford claims - that way you get max Amps.
Good point about cost of energy in CA. We pay $.38/kWh in Norcal, so both EA and usually EVgo are cheaper with subscription than home charging. Plus there is a surplus of clean energy mid-day now.
10% to 80% is what I normally do on trips. Session time was 43 minutes, 5 minutes longer than Ford's claim of 38 minutes. Estimated completion time was also off by about 5 minutes.
Patrick are seeing an improvement with charger reliability at Electrify America?
On the Premium AWD Extended how far usually is it for 80->10%?
Kind of hilarious on the pricing of the Route 1. My 2021 premium extended range RWD gets EPA 305 miles (7 less than on the route 1) and it cost less with more features. I don't know why anyone would get the Route 1 instead of a premium RWD.
TY, great video, I think 15 to 80 would be good. Also, you paid about $ .155 per mile, which is about what I would pay for in gas. currently gas is about $3.5 gal where I live and I get about 23mpg.
Depends on how much it costs to charge. For example, using the average charging cost for electricity at home and it is only about 5 cents per mile.
Ev only saving money if you are charging at home. for those who don't have their own places for charging, it is not a best option.
@@xianshi8896 It depends. Around here, gas is closer to $5 per gallon and you can get discounted DCFC rates... or better yet you can get free charging depending on the car you buy or location you charge.
10% to 80% seems like a good way to go. The only request I have is that you maybe keep a second camera trained on the charger screen so that we can have a split screen of the charge in time lapse or something.
it's funny to think that 43 minutes 10% to 80% is really slow these days. It didn't take long at all for technology to move past the Mach-E's capabilities.
I think it's worth noting to anyone considering the Mustang Mach-E that its fastest charging is for 20 minutes and as Patrick & Liv showed, that gets you 40% back on the charge. On my own road trips in the MME, I'm not stopped usually for more than 25 minutes before I move on.
Great input! Thanks for the suggestion! We will definitely do that next time - Liv
I like 10-80% so many 0-100.
I agree it’s realistic.
Maybe also give times for 10-50, 10-60, 10-70, and 10-80.
ohh great idea, thanks Ron! - Liv
I am so close to pulling the trigger on a Mach E, I just REALLY want the NACS connector and updated charging curve... But I will give it a year or so... Trading an old Expedition and Fusion Hybrid...
Yes, I am planning to trading in Fusion Hybrid for a Mach E! Can not wait!
I’m also close to pulling the trigger, but I want an EV more than I want NACS. Besides, in about 4 or 5 months an adapter will be available, I hope.
I think 10-80% is a realistic percentage, or if driving long distance perhaps 90%-100%, but below 10% and looking for chargers someplace would be kinda iffy for me. Thanks for doing this!
Our more common charge is around 30-80% on road trips, leaving enough in the battery to reach a backup DCFC just in case. When there's better station coverage, we won't need to leave that much safety buffer.
You don't need connectivity with the car to see UA-cam, you can use your phone's hotspot.
10 to 80 seems about right.
Thanks for the video but holy crap .65 cents per kilowatt hour? Yikes, I'm in Maryland in the DC suburbs and mine is 16 cents per kilowatt hour all the time. I run my Polestar2 from 80% to 55% everyday and charge my car for about $3.00 a day.
Only 9 cents per kilowatt hour here in southeast PA. Takes real talent by Sacramento to screw up energy production so badly that it's 7-times more expensive.
Patrick, my Lightning charges at 126kw on a 150kw and 170kw on a 350kw. Maybe you should try this test on a 350kw?
Great point & that's my plan. There is a lot of debate in the Mach-E Forums about whether there is any benefit to using a 350 kW charger since the stated charging max is 150 kW. I've often seen 160s kW when using a 350. Personally, I sometimes go with a 150 kW charger if there is only a single 350 kW at the station. I try to leave that for the 800v cars out there. But on the upgraded stations that have multiple 350s, I will definitely opt to use one.
I’ve gotten 170kw on a 150kw charger - Mach-E should stick with the 150kw charger - the 350kw will not help.
What kind of mics are you using?
DJI Wireless Mics - Liv
This is the biggest reasons why I can't get on board with EV's especially for a trip. With a full size diesel Super Duty with a 60 gallon tank I can make the 1000 mile trip from Pittsburgh to Coco Beach Florida on 1 tank of fuel with fuel to spare. Stopping every couple hundred miles and waiting 45 min to charge would drive me insane!
They aren't for every use case just as your truck doesn't fit every use case. For many like us, it is fine. Our typical road trip might be from San Diego to Las Vegas. We'll stop once for lunch and the car charges while we eat. No big deal. But if I had to do a few 1,000 mile road trips, this wouldn't work.
What is maximum current draw of Mach-E during DCFC? What is nominal and max pack voltage?
I've seen it draw up to 165 kW on an EA 350kW charger. Pack voltage is about 385v at the top end down to about 340v.
@@MachE_VLOG ok. Low pack voltage. Sounds like max current draw is around 500 amps and since correctly labeled 150 kW stations put out 350 amps, you need a properly labeled 200 kW or 350 kW station to get 500 amps.
I was at a “200 kW” EVgo station and got max 40 kW on e-Golf (rarely need to worry about maxing out station amps, since my car tops out around 115 amps) but Rivian next to was only getting 80 kW. Turns out cable was rated for 200 amps - so Rivian was pulling 200 amps. EVgo needs to properly rate station power. EA is more reliable with labeling.
@@barryw9473 Yeah, there was an EVgo station that we used to use that was upgraded from 125 kw stations to 200 kW stations. But they were limited to 200 amps so in effect it was a downgrade for us.
So I saw people in the comments shocked by the $0.65/kWh rate. I thought it was high so I went at looked at my rate plan. Starting in June, if we charge between 4 and 9 PM on weekdays our rate will be $0.81/kWh. Ouch! Our super off-peak rate is $0.145 winter and $0.154 summer.
Wow, that's a pretty good off-peak rate at least! Which feels crazy to say now since that was our peak in Colorado before we left. Where are you located? - Liv
@@MachE_VLOG I'm in Oceanside, this is the SDG&E EV-TOU-5 rate plan. This plan provides the lowest super off peak rates with a flat $16/month fee. We put 100 miles per day weekdays on our EV. Adds up quickly but cheaper than gas.
Oh right we're neighbors!! Ya your miles driven definitely makes that monthly fee worth it! - Liv
I hate to say it, but EA better start mirroring those local rates to stay at least 2x higher. Locals using EA when they can charge at home will kill the golden goose. This will only work when millions of EVs exist if locals charge at home 90% of the time.
@@timco5387 This on top of the massive amounts of free EA charging already plugging up chargers with people who leave cars to charge to 100%.
I charged mine from 50% to 81% and I checked my bank account it charged me 50$ bucks for 350kwh is that a realistic normal charge amount?
Nope. The Mach-E battery is at most 91 kWh going from 0 to 100%.
You can use UA-cam via wifi or your phone hotspot, so you don’t have to pay for Ford’s connectivity.
My 22 select never stays charging that fast for long it drops down to 95 every quickly.
Unfortunately the Select only peaks at 115 since it's a smaller battery pack - Liv
Home L2 should NEVER be more expensive than DCFC. That's awful. EA needs to fix that in locales with expensive residential rates.
Which colour is this?
Vapor Blue Metallic.
@@MachE_VLOG I love your Vlogs, thank you 😊
thank you! - Liv
45 min is a quick test?
Yes.
wow 65 cents per KWH at home.?
Yup! Hence getting Solar immediately was super important to us! - Liv
Mmmm. I'd be happier if Ford would improve the Mach-E to handle 350 kW, and with a more robust charging curve.
That will come but probably in the next generation Mach-E.
I do think a 350W cuts a couple minutes off of this time. It seems like that early top end is 5-10KW higher, at least in my experience.
Thanks for the video!
Yeah, if we had time I would have sought out a station that had some 350s. But that was a bit of a drive and we wanted to also get in a range test.
Has anyone received the Free Tesla adaptor from Ford?
A few. Tesla is making the adapters and there are delays getting them from Tesla.
$34 for 216 miles of driving? That is more than using a gas car at $3.60 per gallon at 23 MPG. I am keeping my gas car, thank you!
If you charge at home is way cheaper. That same charge would be an average of about $8 or $9 using a charger in your garage. Taking it on road trips it ends up being about the same or slightly cheaper for most people to take an EV. And if you eliminate a lot of the maintenance costs associated with gas cars (oil changes, transmission, belts, etc.), an EV ends up costing less over time.
@@MachE_VLOG No way when you consider resale value. You are driving a battery that is deteriorating every day.
I have been researching used Mach E and am shocked that by 2-3 years and 20,000 or miles the values are TANKING.
I see the Ford dealers in my State have plenty of inventory. Ford had to respond when Musk dropped his prices more than twice.
An EV is a horrible depreciating expense. Good luck with your fallacy.
@@MrMustangrick I have a guaranteed buy back value already at the 4 year mark. Plus the batteries are proving to have very little degradation so far. Overall, the used market has tanked in three past year. We sold our first Mach-E for a $12,000 profit last summer.
Y'all usually get way more than 125 kw. This isn't "worst case scenario" by any means but the Mach-e can do much better than in this test.
Enter charge anxiety.
Enter charger wait rage.
Enter charger network availability, cost, time lost, Charger vandalism.
Impatience, anxiety....
Good luck. ⚡
No luck needed. We've been road tripping in our EV for two years with no problems.
I'm so glad I got Kia EV6GT 10% to 80% in 18 min no joke! 237kw high (Electrify America 350Kw max)155kw low and down to 98kw at end. 74 F and vehicle just driven on highway. 40 minutes way too long. However, most people will charge at home level 2. 9.6 Kw or 11.2Kw go to bed and wake up 100% no worries. Thanks for the videos!
Just a reminder to others that night read your comment - A Kia EV6 would not charge that fast on the charger in the video since it is capped at 150 kW.
@@MachE_VLOG Good point for the uneducated! I live in ATL and have only used a few Electrify America chargers in GA, SC, AL and they all had at least one 350 kw station open and working. My point is that as far as charging times go Hyundai/Kia and Porsche are leaders in realistic charging times as well as quality, performance, and drivability. That is why they outsold all other Ev's except Tesla in 2023 and set sales records and Ford and other have Ev's sitting on their lots over 300 days old. GM can't even sell new ones they are on hold. This is fact and not some EV fiction that other spew on the internet. Keep up the great work!
@@paulkitchen5802 There are many areas (like SoCal where EA doesn't have 350 kW chargers at stations and other providers like EVgo, ChargePoint, etc. don't have anything about 150 kW. It is important for us to set realistic expectations.
BTW, in 2023, the Mustang Mach-E was the second best selling electric SUV behind the Model Y.
@@MachE_VLOG Yes, but important that if you have 350kw available like many places you can never ever charge faster than 800v architecture which Ford and many do not have so expect to sit there for 45 minutes not 18 and on a trip when you don't want to do errands like you propose you are just screwed! Also great for Mach e sales but Hyundai group Hyundai, kia, Genesis) was number 2 overall total ev sales in US behind tesla. Fact!
@@paulkitchen5802 We've done lots and lots of road trips and we've met lots of others doing road trips. And we have tested many cars over the past 2 years, including charging them. We try to portray a realistic picture of charging for people. I've personally seen many HMG and Rivian owners frustrated over the lack of 350 kW chargers while on a road trip. As I mentioned, here in SoCal, there are very few. Take a look for yourself on PlugShare. We have one EA station with several 350s, but the rest of the EA stations have 0 available. And looking beyond EA, there are none in our whole area. The closest non-EA 350 is about 40 miles away -- and every time I've been there it has been occupied.
One of the reasons we did this test on a 150 kW charger was because I wanted to show what a lot of people will experience in the real world not just under ideal conditions. If we had picked a 350 kW charger, we would have shaved time off of this session. But we are all limited to what is available.
Things will also get interesting next month when Mach-E and Lightning owners start to get access to the Tesla Supercharger network. This will more than double our available charging options and we should be able to charge at full speed on Superchargers. Other manufacturers, including HMG will get access in 2025. Hopefully by then, the compatibility issues will be sorted since HMG cars are limited to less than 50 kW on Superchargers.
I've also did a side-by-side charging session with a friend in his Ioniq 5 where our times charging were nearly identical even though he was on a 350 kW and I was on a 150 kW. The reason? It was 18 degrees outside. Later that day, he did get some of those quick speeds but it is just a reminder that everything has to be perfect - you have to have be at a station that has a fast charger, it has to be available, and the temps have to be right.
We also try to educate people on range as well. The California Route 1 tested in this video has far more range that the EV6 GT. We did a range test just going from 80% down to 10% with it and achieved more miles than the stated EPA estimate for the EV8 GT with the entire battery. So charging 10 to 80% like most people do on road trips results in about 164 miles of range for the EV6 GT and 207 miles of range for this Mach-E.
65 cents per kWh? That's crazy! I will never understand California.
I'll move over to EV's when they start using solid state batteries .
Everyone is researching them! Toyota says they will have some in production by 2027. Ford and BMW have been investing in a company that has started doing test production but scaled production is still a few years away.
Put ur seat belt on and you covid mask 😂😂
What are you talking about? - Liv
I don't even get EVs. They take so long to charge when you can fill gas tank in 2 minutes
Most of the time, you don't worry about charging time. You pull into your garage and plug in. When you are ready to drive in the morning the car is charged. When you are on a road trip, it does take longer to charge but there is a key difference in how you look at it. In a gas car, you pump gas and then go to the bathroom, get snacks, etc. With an EV, you plug in and go to the bathroom and get a bite to eat while you are still charging. Most of the time, the car is ready when you get back. So charging might take longer but your stop can be the same.
They’re not ready and mark my words when we go full electric they will raise the cost of electricity and ad a tax and these charging stations aren’t reliable then what?
I'm ready. We have home solar and we've been charging from the sun. Competition is expanding and reliability is sure to increase.
As a Tesla owner there’s nothing more annoying than seeing one of these pull in to a 250+kw high-use supercharger and take up two spaces to charge twice as long as a typical Tesla. Common courtesy dictates that you only use 72-150kw superchargers, and demand that Ford put your charge ports on the right side of your cars.
Talk to Elon. He agreed to the deal. Also, we don't charge twice as long.
@@MachE_VLOG if your average charge speed was in the 70 kW range you’re taking significantly longer.
@@PtBm2975 That was on a slow 150 kW charger (350 amps). The car will charge faster on V3 Superchargers (425 amps) and 350 kW EA stations (500 amps).
@@MachE_VLOG your car maxes out at 150 kW. Even in your video at the Santa Monica 250 kW supercharger your average speed appeared to be in the 70 kW range. I’m just saying, crowing about three Mach Es taking up six 250 kW spaces in Santa Monica is not going to win you many friends at superchargers. As an advocate of Mach Es, how about a video about charging etiquette? Superchargers should be your last resort and common courtesy says don’t use them at peak charging times until you find a way not to use two spaces to charge one car.
@@PtBm2975 The max is not 150 kW and peak is less important than overall charging curve. The Santa Monica charging was a coordinated publicity campaign coordinated with Ford and Tesla and there were many empty spaces. So far, we've done dozens of charging stations and we never made anyone wait to charge. I would suggest you contact Tesla to complain. We've been invited to charge by Tesla and they even instruct us to take up two spots as necessary. Common courtesy would be to support your fellow EV owners especially when they aren't preventing anyone from charging and pay a higher rate to charge.
We need a better battery ford!! 10 to 90 in 20 25 min!
Agree charging needs to be faster but some cars are near what you ask for. Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 and Kia ev6 (same drive train) can do 10-80% in 18 min. I drive an ev6 and I have tested this successfully. Beyond 80% it really slows down.
30-60 cents per kwh, wow, one of the few reasons I'm even considering one is all the discounts on them now and 11 cent per KWH.