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  • @powerdriftofficial
    @powerdriftofficial  3 роки тому +94

    Hey #PDArmy, we hope this clarified your doubts! Hit that Like button if it did! And let us know below what more you'd like us to cover!

    • @abhishekghosh177
      @abhishekghosh177 3 роки тому +7

      Next video on bike gears why do we need to change gears (upshifts and downshifts) what is the ideal speed to keep a particular gear or change a gear

    • @mehulpatel891
      @mehulpatel891 3 роки тому +2

      Can we have a video on break and clutch adjustable livers how does it work and what difference it makes with normal non adjustable once...

    • @rohanjaison106
      @rohanjaison106 3 роки тому +2

      Hub Center steering ( motorcycle) Vyrus , pls do a episode on this topic, pls......

    • @65-adityamhaiskar92
      @65-adityamhaiskar92 3 роки тому +5

      Can u make the next video on engine cooling systems (like air-cooled, liquid cooled, etc.)

    • @kumarsbalu
      @kumarsbalu 3 роки тому +1

      Neatly explained, great video

  • @WarriorOfTheSunset
    @WarriorOfTheSunset 3 роки тому +414

    Every School needs a Teacher like Shumi... ❤️

    • @Heisenberg_747
      @Heisenberg_747 3 роки тому +13

      @@jayakrishna2305 stupidity level of this comment 9999999

    • @saurav-sky55
      @saurav-sky55 3 роки тому +5

      Well I am ok if this comment seems to be stupid

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 роки тому +10

      @@jayakrishna2305 What’s wrong with becoming a mechanic?

    • @pg282
      @pg282 3 роки тому +5

      People who are have a passion for motorcycling and does go for long hauls on their motorcycle or do tracks or do off-roading need to have this knowledge on need-to-know basis. This knowledge sharing and understanding is not for all.
      Its not for the average joes or jayakrishnas (as it seems here)

    • @WarriorOfTheSunset
      @WarriorOfTheSunset 3 роки тому +8

      @@jayakrishna2305 What Shumi explained was something abt Spring Action n Fluid Mechanics... Well that brings me to a question... Are you an Arts/Commerce Student?

  • @7rahe13
    @7rahe13 3 роки тому +141

    Hey PD, could you please make an episode on different types of motorcycle chassis - trellis and perimeter frames, single and double downtube, etc. It would be interesting to understand their pros and cons. Thanks.

  • @Rajukjha007
    @Rajukjha007 3 роки тому +68

    As expected shumar is that friend who teach you 10 mins and pass you the exams. thanks

  • @Aditya-bu3xj
    @Aditya-bu3xj 3 роки тому +35

    When is the next part of Holy shift coming???? Absolutely loved the last one.

  • @XchildofhateX
    @XchildofhateX 3 роки тому +52

    These segments remind me of Ari Hennig's MC Garage videos that he used to do a couple of years ago.

    • @Thegeekishnerd13
      @Thegeekishnerd13 3 роки тому +4

      he still does that with revzilla. called as "the shop manual"

    • @vaibhavhalgekar914
      @vaibhavhalgekar914 3 роки тому +2

      He still does those series... Very informative 🙏

    • @XchildofhateX
      @XchildofhateX 3 роки тому +1

      @@Thegeekishnerd13 Yeah I know but most Shop Manual videos feel a bit more technically inclined than both Simplified and MC Garage. Just a feeling. Cheers.

    • @notorious1921
      @notorious1921 3 роки тому

      Yes this is our indian version of that and I always like to hear from Shumi.

  • @kj_mdn
    @kj_mdn 3 роки тому +72

    Need an explanation about the differences between a box section Swingarm and an aluminium swingarm. And why swingarms are related to handling.

    • @KarteekRakshit
      @KarteekRakshit 3 роки тому +1

      Yes

    • @AbhishekBalagaon
      @AbhishekBalagaon 3 роки тому

      +1

    • @lutenic6111
      @lutenic6111 3 роки тому

      Good Topic!

    • @manthenvashishth3769
      @manthenvashishth3769 3 роки тому +1

      Swingarms directly are related to handling. They are vertical pivot one end of which has the rear wheel of bike connected with it and the other end is connected to Frame of bike. Swingarms can be one sided and 2 sided. Weight of swingarm, it's construction etc affects the handling in either way be it good or bad. An aluminum swingarm is better than box section swingarm cuz it's a cast or forged part which is lighter than the box section swingarm and will imply lighter and easy controls and thus better maneuverability and improving handling, moreover a forged aluminum swingarm will have more structural integrity than the cast swingarm cuz of the arrangement of the aluminum particles in it and will be lighter too. A carbon fiber swingarm will be even better than aluminum cuz it's lighter than aluminum and more stronger than aluminium . That's the reason why forged alloy wheels of cars are better than die cast wheels (only on the asphalt). The arrangement of particles while forging gives them more structural integrity than the cast where the metal is just melted poured in a die and then made. Hope you got your answer pal.

    • @kj_mdn
      @kj_mdn 3 роки тому +1

      @@manthenvashishth3769 thanks I got it 🙌

  • @hemswaroopraorane3424
    @hemswaroopraorane3424 3 роки тому +27

    suggestions for topics 😂:
    1.2 ,3,4 valve engine
    2.rider triangle
    3.sprockets

  • @maharshipratap9609
    @maharshipratap9609 3 роки тому +20

    Shumi please provide us the regular bike reviews more often. We just adore the way you explain everything to noobs like me❤️

  • @igorpietak937
    @igorpietak937 Рік тому +2

    You missed very important part: upside down forks installations have much less unsprung weight. This is crucial for better handling, turning and response for road imperfections. Both steering and comfort will benefit from USD.

  • @prasadkalekar1163
    @prasadkalekar1163 3 роки тому +11

    This series is really informative. Just a suggestion discussion on drum brakes and disc brakes. It also can feature advantages of ABS

  • @baravinds
    @baravinds 3 роки тому +2

    Explained very clearly, precisely and kept it simple with basic explanation👌🏼

  • @kitchugeths
    @kitchugeths 3 роки тому +7

    I have a little dilemma up here... "MC garage" on the other hand, does have a completely different opinion, stating that aesthetics is the major difference. I'm confused.

  • @varun_wadekar
    @varun_wadekar 3 роки тому +11

    Great video Shumi sir!!! Please talk about different types of *swingarms* in next video

  • @drsreerag
    @drsreerag 3 роки тому +2

    Explained really well …. All these years of doubts based on this topic just got erased after seeing this video..
    thanks a lot..

  • @samkanish1987
    @samkanish1987 3 роки тому +2

    4:32 OH shit 🤣🤣🤣

  • @prameethprabhu
    @prameethprabhu 3 роки тому +2

    There is another reason for USD forks on performance motorcycles. The part that moves about is the stanchion which weighs less than the female part (containing oil, springs and the weight of the fork itself). There fore, the weight of the moving component is lesser giving a better performance improvement.

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 роки тому +1

      More importantly the lighter part is farther from the CoG as well as mounting points. So performance is better

  • @arvindkrishnan5816
    @arvindkrishnan5816 3 роки тому +1

    I have listened to all your podcasts till now Schumi. Thanks for clearing my doubts. Keep rocking bro.

  • @karthikk3867
    @karthikk3867 3 роки тому +1

    Best best best way of explaining bang on points 🙏

  • @afletra
    @afletra 3 роки тому +3

    a little misunderstanding that seems like all the people in the world did is, and upside down front fork is actually a telescopic fork too, but inverted. so saying "telescopic vs upside down" or "telescopic and upside down fork" differences is actually wrong.

  • @obviouslynotagentleman5831
    @obviouslynotagentleman5831 3 роки тому +1

    Beautifully explained 👍👍 .

  • @AchintyaPandit
    @AchintyaPandit 3 роки тому +1

    Very clearly explained! I hope this clears up the heads of those R15 and MT15 owners who keep complaining that their bikes are inferior to ones sold overseas.

  • @acescok
    @acescok Рік тому

    Being an engineer myself, it was just a breeze watching through and understanding every bit of what you just explained, much like reading through a well written book. Good Job

  • @mks2822
    @mks2822 3 роки тому

    As a motorcycle enthusiast what I like is how you explain at engineering level in very simple form. Thank you brother.

  • @nikhileshwarjakka1316
    @nikhileshwarjakka1316 3 роки тому +5

    Why should we prefer front brake more than the rear

  • @nabeelpa2564
    @nabeelpa2564 3 роки тому +2

    Also what I have read is that component of unsprung mass is lesser for upside down forks , making the overall job of suspension unit easier .

    • @nabeel5757
      @nabeel5757 3 роки тому

      👍👍👍

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 роки тому +1

      Yes but explaining unsprung mass in itself is a whole Simplified episode

  • @aravind1264
    @aravind1264 3 роки тому +7

    Suggestion -
    normal clutch systems & hydraulic clutch systems
    Single & multiple cylinder engines

  • @AMVideoViewer
    @AMVideoViewer 3 роки тому +14

    I had a question. Why did bike manufacturers switch to monoshock suspensions for the rear passenger when a telescopic suspension seems like it would be more comfortable? Also, am I wrong in thinking it would be more comfortable? Seems 2 is better than one.

    • @Finnv893
      @Finnv893 2 роки тому

      That's a very faulty assumption, telescopic forks have two legs therefore requiring two sets of wiper which will give twice the stiction, many times more if they are gummed up by dirt. The reason why the motorcycle industry hasn't switched to linkage forks (either one or two-legged) is because of economy of scale and consumer perception, most bikers care so much about looks they want the manufactures to sacrifice improvement in function to keep the aesthetics; you don't see telescoping shocks for the front wheels of cars, unfortunately MTBs followed in motorcycles footsteps because telescopic forks came first on motorcycles. A well designed linkage is always better than two giant sliding tubes, it can offer less brake dive, less unsprung weight, more small bump sensitivity, be virtually maintenance free and make use of the plethora of different rear shocks already on the market.

  • @1123phoenix
    @1123phoenix 3 роки тому +1

    Great explaination! Plz make something Engine working. Block, crankshaft, compression ratios etc

  • @ShreyasKa92
    @ShreyasKa92 3 роки тому +1

    Very good series.
    Dumb people wont believe normal experienced folks, But if it comes from a good influencer, Its great !

  • @46rise
    @46rise 5 місяців тому +1

    I wish my biology class was this easy.

  • @mandalorian1992
    @mandalorian1992 3 роки тому +4

    What a teacher... Absolutely awesome! Can you please do a video on how exactly does a cornering ABS work and how different it is from a conventional ABS?

  • @chakri1vr1
    @chakri1vr1 3 роки тому

    I can't stress this enough, best and most concise explanation ever !!

  • @rahulsakunde9431
    @rahulsakunde9431 3 роки тому +2

    You have a good teacher in you Shumi.

  • @Shaival24
    @Shaival24 3 роки тому +2

    Awesome coverage on front suspensions........ Would be great if sensei shoomi would have covered rear suspensions as well

  • @atsonaga5520
    @atsonaga5520 3 роки тому +124

    Damn I never knew forks had male and female parts♀️♂️😂

    • @revzzrider
      @revzzrider 3 роки тому +13

      Even sockets 3pin plugs are also nomenclatured as male female for easy understanding 😅😅

    • @Amuzic_Earth
      @Amuzic_Earth 3 роки тому +12

      anytime any long thing goes into a hollow thing, they are named male and female... Now you know!!!

    • @rishith9795
      @rishith9795 3 роки тому

      ._.

    • @uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses
      @uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses 3 роки тому +3

      Welcome to technical terms lol
      We use it everyday in electronics

    • @sudattsdeadchannel3495
      @sudattsdeadchannel3495 3 роки тому

      Anything which goes inside is a male part. 🙂

  • @vilaskulkarni3147
    @vilaskulkarni3147 2 роки тому

    Simply terrific explanation! Every school needs a teacher like him. Bravo! Thanx

  • @UnShEeP924
    @UnShEeP924 3 роки тому +1

    I completely agree with the cooling method comments and the suspension comments. The particular means of cooling or suspension is given on a bike for optimum performance. Everything should not be about just asthetics, looks or spec bragging rights.

  • @ajasmohd3473
    @ajasmohd3473 3 роки тому +4

    Good topic covered 👌🏻.
    Can you please cover the topic about the different grades of fork oils and their applications.

  • @suhashg8664
    @suhashg8664 3 роки тому +1

    Guys let's request them to do on ... when air cooling makes sense and when oil cooling actually makes sense..

  • @vaibhavjadon8008
    @vaibhavjadon8008 Рік тому

    Thank you so much sir, people are so much focused on having USD forks, disregarding their requirements and jump to costlier motorcycles on basis of that. It cleared up that we don't necessarily need USD forks on a minor 200cc motorcycles.

  • @AK-gg6bg
    @AK-gg6bg 3 роки тому +1

    It's funny he says "500cc commuter lol".
    Only RE 500s are considered commuters. At least for me.

  • @daneshmaximus3707
    @daneshmaximus3707 3 роки тому +1

    Prof. Shumi always rocks....

  • @Sonu19424
    @Sonu19424 3 роки тому +1

    Good practical and useful tips 👍✌️

  • @rishijaiswal1
    @rishijaiswal1 3 роки тому

    Shumi I have recently started watching your videos and I am hooked !! You are probably the most sensible and knowledgeable motorcycle reviewer I have seen ! Like your philosophy and way of thinking and also your ever so sensible advice. If more bikers took your advice roads would be much safer. Respect !

  • @johnjeferson5818
    @johnjeferson5818 3 роки тому +7

    Can you make a video about best oil to run your motorcycle on , the best tyres to run a motorcycle on and DIY service pack to help riders maintain their motor cycles (pretty please)

    • @Jatin878
      @Jatin878 3 роки тому +1

      about oil there's already a video made by them open the channel its 6-7th video

  • @TheDashmesh
    @TheDashmesh 3 роки тому +6

    Great video as always PD! Can we expect more of Shumi and Varun’s podcasts ?

  • @suneelkumar-ri5uh
    @suneelkumar-ri5uh 3 роки тому +1

    Shumi teaching like IIT professor

  • @pmichaeles
    @pmichaeles 3 роки тому +3

    What's the idea behind having open chain rather than a covered one like the commuters.. any advantage apart from asthetics

  • @emmanuvel.j5237
    @emmanuvel.j5237 3 роки тому +1

    Please make a video on why the pillion seat on bikes are raised and even if they are flat why they are not long and wide like scooters

  • @Ghost-pr9bm
    @Ghost-pr9bm 3 роки тому +1

    tank god the series is free lol

  • @GauravDeshmukh7
    @GauravDeshmukh7 3 роки тому +5

    As always...great work...can you make a video explaining the torque and horsepower aspects? How do producers measure them?

  • @Shreyas.Gune28
    @Shreyas.Gune28 3 роки тому +1

    how does suspension plays major role in racing? Not only bikes but cars also. Would you explain it?

  • @mickeysblitz7283
    @mickeysblitz7283 3 роки тому +1

    way you elaborating is really very effective for the viewer , which don't have much technical knowledge .and my question is difference between spokes wheel and alloys ? like even bigger bikes use spokes like africa twin many more!

  • @seekter-kafa
    @seekter-kafa Рік тому

    in the old days all forks truncheons were covered with rubber protection, but ppl thought it marred the looks so now the

  • @ganeshpatil9945
    @ganeshpatil9945 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you ✌

  • @br1pres8
    @br1pres8 3 роки тому +1

    Also, with upside down forks the bigger and heavier part is “steady” while the smaller and lighter part is traveling up and down with the wheel... therefore, it’s less mass to get it’s movement absorbed by the springs and dampeners (and ultimately by the chassi)

  • @DBomber_24
    @DBomber_24 3 роки тому

    That's a grade school level of explanation, easy to understand. Thank you so much.

  • @Janmenjay
    @Janmenjay 3 роки тому

    Hi Shumi, This playlist is amazing and the way you explain it, well I wish you were my school teacher for every class. From the topic of USD and telescopic suspension systems, I would request you to also shed some light on rear suspensions: Mono and the dual set up. Second topic I can think of would be lights: halogen, LED and projectors. Also since LEDs generally blind the oncoming traffic even when their throw isn't that great from a rider's perspective. Generally LEDs are very powerful. Please also explain use of auxiliary lights.
    3rd and the most important : With riding schools out of reach and knowledge of most people, how can we improve our skills.

  • @bobjohnson1633
    @bobjohnson1633 Рік тому

    Excellent explanation. Clear and concise.

  • @fusioncoast
    @fusioncoast 3 роки тому +1

    Clear and neatly explained

  • @kj_mdn
    @kj_mdn 3 роки тому +2

    Need a video about engine braking and rev matching

  • @ajinkyadange74
    @ajinkyadange74 3 роки тому +2

    Great video PD and Shumi your screen presence is amazing. My two cents- apart from the structural function, upside down forks also result in a lower unsprung mass thereby creating a positive impact on handling and steering among other things.

  • @janaizeme6937
    @janaizeme6937 3 роки тому +1

    Amazing explaination...

  • @Antony_Shamarjit_Lee
    @Antony_Shamarjit_Lee 11 місяців тому +1

    Came here after Hero's media ride launch of Mavrick 440, as they provide USD for Harley x440, whereas Telescopic (RSD) in Mavrick.

  • @ashutoshnath8209
    @ashutoshnath8209 3 роки тому +1

    Telescopic forks are better for Indian roads and hence we don't see a litre class bikes often in India we don't need USD forks but now companies started using USD forks as a gimmick

  • @yashgaglani9990
    @yashgaglani9990 3 роки тому +2

    Can you do a video on rear suspension too...there are many mono shock...dual shock and then adjustability terms like front load and pre load

  • @haranhari8908
    @haranhari8908 3 роки тому

    Thank you sir, for clearing my doubts and knowing about oil seal cap

  • @thapage
    @thapage 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the detailed explanation, really helpful. Can we get to know about Cylinders in engine and how do they function. Thanks in advance!

  • @aimanshafiq9582
    @aimanshafiq9582 Рік тому

    thank you for the seal cover suggestion .. that's gonna help me later in term of maintenance ..

  • @bitbutmusic1406
    @bitbutmusic1406 3 роки тому +2

    Please do a comparison between oil cooling vs liquid cooling 🙏

  • @sandeepbl4748
    @sandeepbl4748 3 роки тому +1

    Hi shumi
    Nice to see and hear such content for new generation bikers pls make content on disk brake and drum drake and abs on both the brakes

  • @Connectjoelfernandes
    @Connectjoelfernandes 3 роки тому +3

    Can you make a video about difference in coolant type and colour

  • @thatsarider5585
    @thatsarider5585 3 роки тому +1

    Make a video on Compression ratio

  • @entertainmentknowledge122
    @entertainmentknowledge122 3 роки тому

    Thank you for explaining the terminologies in a simplified manner

  • @sohamjoshi5147
    @sohamjoshi5147 3 роки тому +4

    I was hoping you'd include the part about sprung and unsprung weight difference

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 роки тому +1

      There’s also the idea of mounting heavier things closer to the CoG. But I thought 4 things esp the idea of unsprung weight would complicate the issue

  • @krishthenivallu3421
    @krishthenivallu3421 3 роки тому +1

    Differences between dry and wet clutch shumi

  • @prabhu200519
    @prabhu200519 3 роки тому +2

    Wish you also talked about unsprung mass and the benefits in handling that comes when you reduce it. USD helps in that as wel.. also it's normally a challenge to keep the CoG low when you use a USD at the front.

  • @incorefoysal
    @incorefoysal 3 роки тому +1

    That was amazing. All the videos talk about high performance this and that but you explained it mechanically 👌👌

  • @umakantd.109
    @umakantd.109 3 роки тому +1

    Hard seat vs soft seat

  • @StOrM_JU
    @StOrM_JU 10 місяців тому

    The explanation was very clear as compared to any other videos out there

  • @sutanuguha2902
    @sutanuguha2902 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you. Was having trouble trying to understand this.

  • @TheYummy0909
    @TheYummy0909 3 роки тому

    Just simply and easy explanation. Thank-you Sir.

  • @arjunkumar-xi5ks
    @arjunkumar-xi5ks 3 роки тому +1

    Definitely helpful

  • @harshaokin8064
    @harshaokin8064 3 роки тому

    gosh!! splendid video!! I really had this doubt about forks and had no clue on what precisely to google. you people made my day, PD!!!
    thank you for this series, powerdrift Shumified

  • @HarshSingh-iu3xs
    @HarshSingh-iu3xs 3 роки тому +1

    N3xt one mono shock vs dual shock for rear side. Good video this.

  • @anuragsharma9132
    @anuragsharma9132 3 роки тому +1

    What's the difference between a Single cradle frame, a double cradle frame, a perimeter frame and a trellis frame

  • @justinesebastiankanjirathi1343
    @justinesebastiankanjirathi1343 3 роки тому

    Watching u for the first time...clear and crisp. Would u plz explain slipper clutch

  • @shreeramhegade9008
    @shreeramhegade9008 3 роки тому +1

    Great info pd,
    Can you explain the different engine setups ? Single , double cylinder, inline four, Vtwin etc ?

  • @tusharj40
    @tusharj40 3 роки тому +1

    Please let us know difference between radially fitted brake calipers and normal fitted brake calipers?

  • @onkargadale
    @onkargadale 3 роки тому +1

    How traction control works and what is exact use of that?

  • @perpetualprosperity2963
    @perpetualprosperity2963 3 роки тому

    Excellent answer & explanation. Thankyou 🙏🙏

  • @visheshprasad1146
    @visheshprasad1146 3 роки тому +4

    Hey PowerDrift, could you guys please make a video on different types of engine: v-twin, inline 3, inline 4, etc and their impact on the performance. Also, a video on CC, BHP, Torque would be really helpful. TIA!

  • @ayushmanguha8417
    @ayushmanguha8417 3 роки тому +4

    Next simplied sterring damper please 🙏🙏🙏

  • @SaiKumar-cu4cm
    @SaiKumar-cu4cm 3 роки тому +1

    Great video by shumi.
    Can you speak about chain and sprockets

  • @nikhileshwarjakka1316
    @nikhileshwarjakka1316 3 роки тому +2

    Explain Ride by wire and others

  • @SidK26
    @SidK26 6 місяців тому

    Dude, I juat found you and you have a video for every part that I want to know about right now! Subscribed, keep up the work (and constantly update with time) 👏🏼👏🏼🙌🏼

  • @ashishhegde6040
    @ashishhegde6040 3 роки тому +2

    Shumi should start speaking on meaning of life and life lessons as well... Powerdrift podcast have nothing but life changing...!! Kudos..👍👍

  • @osamaaijaz4055
    @osamaaijaz4055 3 роки тому +1

    Shumi you missed out to speak about unsprung weight. An advantage Upside-down fork over conventional forks..

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 роки тому +1

      Missed it? Unsprung weight has to be its own episode!

    • @osamaaijaz4055
      @osamaaijaz4055 3 роки тому

      @@shu_mar thanks for the quick turnaround! Awesome content & good pieces of knowledge shared.👍👍 Looking forward for more..🙏

  • @swapnilkedar3442
    @swapnilkedar3442 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks Shumi for the knowledge you give through Simplified. I would like see a video on difference between oil cooled engine & air cooled engine. Hope to see this soon..