best part of sweden is how accessible nature is, we have “allemansrätten” witch means that nature is for everyone, it doesn’t matter who owns the land, anyone is allowed to visit nature and even camp for 1 night no matter where you are and as long as you leave nature how you found it
Det är ju en av mina största drömmar att få jobba å bor i Sverige , min pappa å hela släkten(pappas sidan) bor där. Jag studerar datavetenskap/ programmering på Missouris universitetet och hoppas att få praktik i Sverige under sommaren eller vilken sommar som helst Tack för din fin video och dina fina ord / berättelse om jobbet/ livet 😎💪🏽
Asså vi ksk inte har den bästa lönen men jobbkvaliten är fantastisk och man har det så kul här. Jag är 16 just nu, när jag blir äldre ska jag försöka skapa ett spelutvecklingsföretag efter att jag fått lite erfarenhet och jobbat på ett företag först
came for a day in the life of a developer but got a day in the Attack on Titan fan's life as a plus. Nice to meet you, Niklas. Indeed, the best TV show ever produced in the anime world for me.
dumt att plugga dator vetenskap eller andra UNI utbildningar på 3+ år för IT. YH ger dig allt du behöver på 2 år och + du får praktiskt erfarenhet med LIA och ganska säkert ett jobb där du praktiserar.
@@lawliet99968 Då vet jag! Man har LIA genom universitet också. Det är ju högst individuellt vad man tycker är Dumt som du uttrycker det. Jag vill forska inom bla AI och då kräver det även en master inom IT, kanske doktorand om jag har lust.
Thanks for the vid! I'm also planning to move to the Sweden in about two years, and for now I'm learning English, and pushing forward my programming skills. Gl with your life, wish you the best!
Great video Niklas. Fun for a newly graduated frontend developer here in Sweden to watch and get some more information on how a day can look like :) Unfortunatly haven't landed a job yet, but hopefully will soon! Have a great one! best regards Joakim
@@NiklasHe I see, thanks! :) Yeah, and it has been a bit hard on the market lately with everything happening. So hopefully it will start to come out more jobs now going forward 🙂 Are there any specific techstacks you would say is most interesting for a company to see from a junior frontend dev now adays? We've been sitting mostly with React, alot of React Native for me on my internships.
I'm so glad I found this video. I've been living and working as a SWE in Stockholm since 2019 and I'm about to move back to the USA in two weeks. My salary was the same as yours and I worked near T-Centralen. Your office looks like Kista. The work culture in Stockholm is generally good but I just couldn't deal with the low pay, lack of career diversity, and the advancement bias against non-Swedes.
Yes office is Kista. :) When it comes to getting promotions it's also that at least at the company I work at, they want everyone to be around the same level and have same salary so no one pulls ahead. For example we were 5 people that started the same time and we have the exact same salary. Regarding advancement bias against non-Swedes I think there can be a little bit of it, but it can be that there some people who like to speak Swedish over English.
Hey man I am also american and have been here 13 years. I fully agree with everything you have said. I barely have motivation to work because it feels like you aren't rewarded for it. The Swedish and American culture is extremely different. I am very unhappy in Sweden, I go very much against the train of thought here. I am still here because I have a wife and son now. I have future plans of moving back to the USA with them. Not only is the pay low but if you are an American expat investments are near impossible. You more or less need to give up US citizenship or move back. Say what you will about the US but I miss all the loud, rowdy, beer drinking, pot smoking Americans. Sweden will unfortunately never feel like home.
Very true, you quickly hit the ceiling when it comes to salary and advancement in Sweden. If you ever wanna get over that 7-9k usd/month you have to become a manager with personell responsibilities. There is no other way. And if you go the manager/director path your coding will be replaced with managing people, recruitment, deadlines, expectations, team culture bla bla...
I say as a Swede that I think Swedish corporate culture is great for mediocre people and getting mediocre people to do great things together (like an ant colony). But if you are a hungry and ambitious person, most Swedish companies will feel suffocating. I would move to the US if I could but it looks like it's basically impossible.
@@bjornkihlberg2103 amazing analogy! I wouldn't even go as far as to say Swedes are inherently mediocre but most don't have a desire to be more than "lagom" even when they have the potential to be far greater. The Swedish cultural mentality is limiting to me.
Jag gillar hur du börjar videon med att säga din lön. Blir som en jumpscare för alla amerikaner 😂. Ärligt talat dock, tack för denna videon. Jag studerar just nu och kommer troligen börja jobba med software engineering eller något nära inpå. Om jag får en så fin tur till och från jobbet så skulle nog jag också känna mig glad. Naturen är verkligen något som kan boosta humöret. Synd bara att de flesta utbildningarna ligger i stan 😅.
quite surprised that you get 3200$ after taxes with 4200$ gross. I am working in Finland, make around 4350€, but only get little less than 3000€ after taxes. : ) Also the lunch is typically around 13.5€/serving, so also little bit cheaper there, which I also noticed when visiting Stockholm this summer, eating out, and services in general, are somewhat cheaper in Sweden. The work culture seems very similar, also the forest routes are very common here, even in big cities. About the salary. I think it quite normal to think in terms of needs and requirements; can I pay bills, do I get to go to summer and/or winter/off-week holidays, can I accumulate savings, can I do {insert_happy_activity}, etc. and after that the money really does not affect that much. And I can say even with this salary level there is quite enough money for monthly savings and hobbies if you don't have lavish lifestyle or too expensive house.
I think he has reduced tax because he pays rent on his apartment? And he lives in Stockholm, where the city tax is lower than most other citys. Yes, Sweden has become the cheapest country among the nordic countries because our currency lost so much valye. My daughter lives in Esbo and the rent is higher, food is more expensive, eating out more expensive than in Stockholm. + the food eating out in Sweden is much much better! Alcohol is also much cheaper in Sweden.
We have had income tax deductions since 2006, which has increased since, making the effective income tax ~23-24%, as opposed to the up-front income tax of ~30%. The tax system has become more fair to workers in the past 20 years.
I’m not sure if the salaries are comparable. In Sweden the employer pay 31,42% payroll tax before your reported salary. Which you then pay income tax on. Regarding lunch, we have a lower VAT on food and drinks which might explain the difference?
Grym video, försöker studera för o bli data analytiker. Jag försöker bilda sådan harmoni också med livet; förbättra relationer, träning, studier osv. Tufft just nu men de blir nog bättre längre fram :)
I am an intern at a devops team at a software company right now. I really hope I land a junior role so I dont have to continue studying. The work life balance here in Sweden seems great though maybe not as flashy as the 10xers in the states.
"Make your weekends worse" is honestly the funniest (and best) advice I've heard regarding work-life balance 😂 Not a software eng but can confirm that other engi-jobs are quite similar. source: Swedish engineer
that's a lot of meeting my boy 3 hours meetings, 1 hour lunch break takes about an hour to get in to the work mode so you really get to write meaningful code about 2-3 hours if you're not late, in a rush and get distracted.
Fun video to watch and wholesome tips. Also great to see young people thriving as system developers here in Sweden. If Infor is you employer then I would guess that M3 is the product you work with. Used to work as a sysdeveloper for a warehouse system which supported socket api for Movex/M3. Working with one of Microsofts ERPs today.
Norwegian here. How hard is to get a software engineering job in Swe / Scandinavian? Selftaught vs University? Awesome vlog btw. I can see the Swedish culture is close to the Norwegian 🫡
Right now its more difficult to get a job for example in stockholm when I started back in 2020 there were 2500 job openings on Linkedin, now there is less then 500 so less jobs for sure. But I do believe if you have done side projects and can write and understand code well, got good social skills and can speak the native language its still quite easy.
Any insight in job demand and pay for the different software roles you mentioned? Particularly regarding frontend vs backend. I find frontend more interesting and rewarding but I hear it is harder to get a job and pays less. Am currently doing a master in software design and dont know which route to pick, leaning towards frontend. Great video by the way! I like the relaxed style of video and the life you are leading!
wow, that salary can’t even pay a 3 bedroom condominium flat in Singapore. 😂 nice place. thanks for sharing your experiences. subscribed! following your channel!
Thanks for the inspiring video! Would love to hear if you have any advice on how difficult it is to find a software engineering job in Stockholm and/or Sweden in general, tips on how to do so, and what kind of educational background one needs?
Right now as Im writing this comment it's definitely more difficult to find a job compared to when I was looking 4 years ago. Back then I remember there were 4500 developer jobs in Stockholm. Now there is around 700. As for suggestion on how to find a job I would say learn how to solve tech interview questions, I used a website called code wars. Then also do some side projects so you can stand out from other job applicants. A lot of people don't have any side projects. As for education getting a relevant 3 year degree is enough. I got a 5 year with masters but most of my collegues got a 3 year in IT or system developer.
So, as a Swede Im getting annoyed my many of the comments. Stockholm is very expensive, and its impossible to pay rent unless you live with others or have bought your apparment. Food is just as expensive as new York. And yes, tuition isnt free but payed with taxes. In the us, you dont pay 32% tax on your pension neither if you earn 1.200 dollar a month. Here you do. Youre welcome. And I have to say it looks very idyllic to live country side, but in the winter…the darkness eat you alive.
For everyone watching, he said that his salary is "below average", let me just add "below average in Stockholm". Salaries in other parts of Sweden can't compete with the capital city salaries :) Love the video! "We will watch your career with great interest"!
$4200 isn't even that much after 3.5 years. Sweden has laughable wages for people with higher education. There should be an incentive to pursue higher education. It is ridiculous to go to school and take csn and make as much money as someone driving a forklift over night. Can't wait to get through school and get the hell out of Sweden and back to the USA.
Whats stops me from biking is that the days becomes too short in Sweden (start of November) and then of course snow and ice. I would say this year I have biked every day between Mars - September
Amazing I am from Texas in the US and I’m new to engineering and want to be a software engineer.. did you get a degree( mines is in marketing) and if so what project did you build to get a internship or your first job any project advice for someone with no experience to start with? Thank you❤
Yes I got an degree studied IT and then got a masters in software engineering. As for projects I just looked up a lot of tutorials online on youtube like creating a youtube website clone / facebook website clone and more or less copied and then added some more features to those websites. Then I also solved a lot of programming interview questions, I used a website called Code wars, and then had a link to my Code wars profile to show the code I have written. As for learning how to code I used Udemy and took some courses in Python and Javascript. I was not able to learn coding from School. Hope it goes well for you :)
Great video! I'm a newly graduated computer scientist who just got a job in Stockholm as well, this was a good preview of what I am getting myself into. How are you finding Kista by the way? :D
For sure it will. The seniors who has worked here for 25+ years do the same work as I do. Each task is different but It's the some work flow every time. But I think the more experience you get the more freedom you can demand, since your slaary doesn't change that much at all. For example Im going to work from China again next month.
sorry i am studying cse in India and the work life culture is very toxic here so i want to move abroad and watching it makes me want to work in your place , i just need peaceful life man i hope i can get there
Haha! Vill inte doxa dig men kände direkt igen mig. Bor bara några hundra meter ifrån mig, o den skogen har jag så många minnen i. Känns lite konstigt att se området jag växt upp i på YT
appreciate the video, do you have any tips on how to find programming funny and easy to do ? im a CS student studying in languages like c and c# but i find it quite difficult. Appreciate any tips :)
The way I learned to code and really understood it was to solve tech programing interview questions, I used a website called codewars but there are others for example leetcode. I started with easy problems and then worked my way up. But for me I had to start writing code and thinking about code and not just watch tutorials.
Friday during the summer break (July - August), I picked a day where there were gonna be less people just to make it easier for myself to record and not having to explain to a lot of people.
Seems much more chill than my day as a software engineer in the US, but WOW. $4,000 a month. I know its not all about the money, but wow... I think most software engineers in the US would decline a job if they offered DOUBLE that.
Yes salaries here are not comparable to the US, like the seniors who has worked 25+ years maybe make 8k USD before taxes. Living in Sweden is probably also a lot cheaper. I save around 1k USD every month.
Would that be 8000 before tax? And all includes? I also have 3 yoe as a swe in europe and make about 4500 euro before tax. But that does not include pension, transport, bonus, holiday allowance etc. In total i make 75k euro a year. 82k dollar. Working 9 days every 2 weeks plus 6 weeks paid time off.
@@NiklasHe 8k here is a good starting salary, what you would get for your first job after college, and taxes here are lower too. but of course on the flip side, you have to pay for health care, you have to save more for retirement, etc. I make about 12k, and save about 5k a month, but I save a lot more than most people I feel like.
I earn about $4000 before tax, close to 5 years experience, thought my job is in a town much smaller than Stockholm. Seems like we got the same work tasks and responsibilities. I got to ask, how many hours do you spend at work? I spend about 30 minutes to an hour at lunch, time not considered as a part of the 8 hours workday. I would love to be able to get some gym time in there, but that would make me have to spend closer to 10 hours at work (which is not uncommon at all). You seem to have it all figured out landing a terrific job at a terrific company.
I spend around 8h in total at the office. No one really keeps track of time but I try not to be the first to leave the office. I feel like once the first person on the team leaves then it's ok to leave also. But I would say lunch and gym is included since it's quite common for me to come up with solutions during time. We have also had lectures saying that we sometimes think better when moving and are not in front of the desk so I think my manager supports going to the gym.
thanks for sharing .i am curious if I plan to work in Sweden do I need to learn Swedish. I know English and Chinese now. i just finish my master degree of cs in us ,how to get relevant job in Sweden?
Some companies prefer people who can speak Swedish but it defenietly isn't a must. English is enough to get a job since anyone can speak English here, especially in the tech industry. There are a lot of Indians and Chinese in the company I work. I found my job through Linkedin.
Understandable, Going to office once or twice per week is quite nice. Makes me appreciate working from home more. During summer no one is at the office so I worked mostly from home and yes it did get boring
Tror nog det ska vara lugnt närmaste tiden (5 år), många chefer har haft dessa möten med oss och enligt det ska det vara lugnt. Rollen kommer antagligen att att ändras men inte att man blir helt ersatt tror jag.
4200 is what a cleaning lady, server or retail cashier makes here in Switzerland. Software Engineers make at least 8k. Most above 10k. Heck even I earn around 8k with a regular office job.
Yeah, cost of living is a lot cheaper in Sweden though. This is just numbers from the top result on Google: "Cost of Living in Switzerland is 83.0% higher than in Sweden (without rent) Cost of Living Including Rent in Switzerland is 95.0% higher than in Sweden Rent Prices in Switzerland are 137.1% higher than in Sweden Restaurant Prices in Switzerland are 76.6% higher than in Sweden Groceries Prices in Switzerland are 85.4% higher than in Sweden Local Purchasing Power in Switzerland is 21.1% higher than in Sweden" So your local purchasing power is only 21.1% higher than here despite earning a lot more. Sweden is a fairly low income country with very even salaries across all fields if you take our standard of living into account. We don't really have the extreme lows or the extreme highs that you can see in other countries.
4200 is what a (low) manager level employee earns in Italy, so what? If you don’t take into account the cost of living, healthcare and other benefits, monthly pay is just a number…
Stämmer bor i Solna och vet inte exakt hur det fungerar med skatten, har inte gjort något heller får att påverka min skatt, men det kommer in 33.5k-34.5k in på kontot varje månad.
learn 🙃 My gf was dropped from university (has 2 unfinished universities, I tried just 1 and also didn't finish it) and after that she started coding. She was total beginner when it comes to coding. HTML > CSS > JS > ReactJs. She was depressed because she felt like failure. She also procrastinated coding. But after not even a year learning (on and off), she landed a job and is very happy. Don't give up. You got this 😉
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4200$ after working for nearly 4 years, that seems extremely low? In Denmark you would easily get a position for 5700$ if not slightly more. Do sweden not value their developers?
If you want to compare with danish salary, multiply the swedish by 30%, in this case 5460. Why? Because the social-security stuff is withdrawn before you see them in Sweden but not in Denmark. Then remember than taxes are higher in Denmark as well.
I think 4.2k is fine really. But the company I work at (Infor) definitely pays below average. Out of all the people I graduated with I have the lowest salary. Most of my friends make 4.5 - 5k. But I will try to push a little bit during the next salary talk :)
@@frstchan The average tax in Denmark is lower / near the same as Sweden. Only if you pay the highest tax (which few does), then yeah its high. People who say the taxes in Denmark are high either doesnt understand the tax range, or they assume the person is making 12k+ a month. I dont care what you say, 4200$ is undervalued for a developer, even in Sweden. (well apparently not) And you most certainly dont have to add 30% when comparing the salaries between the two countries, thats bogus. Some grocery categories does seem to be cheaper in Sweden, but rent and general maintenance costs are around the same between the two countries, unless you again specifically use CPH your basis (which again, people like to base their meassurements around the most expensive city to make it look worse than it is)
@@NiklasHe As long as you are happy and enjoy the work you do. I make 4.7k which is way too low, but i get alot of freetime, freedom and other benefits, aswell as shares to make up for it.
@@MrBa143 In Sweden, the pre-tax salary you will se will have all the pension/healthcare/etc cost withdrawn before you see it, and THEN income taxes are drawn from it. In Denmark, the pension/healthcare/etc is INCLUDED in the pre-tax salary you will see and THEN income taxes are drawn from it. This means, in Sweden, when you see a salary of say 4000, it already had these things withdrawn. And that is roughly speaking 30% of the salary. So you have to add this number to the salary to compare to other countries.
I am a structural engineer in Denmark. Your salary sounds low! I have two years experience and have 6000 before taxes. And software engineers should get more than structural.
Yeah went to university for 5 years (Masters) although many of my colleges only went for 3 years (Bachelor). My entrance salary was 3200USD before taxes and 2400USD after.
the most realistic daily software dev. vlog I have ever watched
That's a top class commute, experiencing nature every day. It reminds me of why I left the inner city.
best part of sweden is how accessible nature is, we have “allemansrätten” witch means that nature is for everyone, it doesn’t matter who owns the land, anyone is allowed to visit nature and even camp for 1 night no matter where you are and as long as you leave nature how you found it
The quality of the video is amazing , and thanks for helping me decide if working in this field is for me
That's great :D
Det är ju en av mina största drömmar att få jobba å bor i Sverige , min pappa å hela släkten(pappas sidan) bor där.
Jag studerar datavetenskap/ programmering på Missouris universitetet och hoppas att få praktik i Sverige under sommaren eller vilken sommar som helst
Tack för din fin video och dina fina ord / berättelse om jobbet/ livet 😎💪🏽
Det fixar du lätt! Jag känner flera amerikaner som bor och jobbar i Sverige!
Asså vi ksk inte har den bästa lönen men jobbkvaliten är fantastisk och man har det så kul här. Jag är 16 just nu, när jag blir äldre ska jag försöka skapa ett spelutvecklingsföretag efter att jag fått lite erfarenhet och jobbat på ett företag först
came for a day in the life of a developer but got a day in the Attack on Titan fan's life as a plus. Nice to meet you, Niklas. Indeed, the best TV show ever produced in the anime world for me.
I'm a swede and currently studying Computer Science. This makes me really excited to start working!!
“The same!”
hehe gl finding jobb
dumt att plugga dator vetenskap eller andra UNI utbildningar på 3+ år för IT. YH ger dig allt du behöver på 2 år och + du får praktiskt erfarenhet med LIA och ganska säkert ett jobb där du praktiserar.
@@mickey-ij7un Thanks!
@@lawliet99968 Då vet jag! Man har LIA genom universitet också. Det är ju högst individuellt vad man tycker är Dumt som du uttrycker det. Jag vill forska inom bla AI och då kräver det även en master inom IT, kanske doktorand om jag har lust.
Pretty cool that this was the first vid that was suggested to me, opening youtube, but nice to see you Niklas! Co-worker from Linköping office! :)
Aha very nice! :D
@@NiklasHe See you at Steam Hotel in september? :)
Thanks for the vid! I'm also planning to move to the Sweden in about two years, and for now I'm learning English, and pushing forward my programming skills. Gl with your life, wish you the best!
Thank you so much, wish you the same. :D
How come you are planning to move to Sweden and not another country? Curious!
very inspiring. hope more stories to come in your channel.
I love how bro is just enjoying the time of his life 😊
Great video Niklas. Fun for a newly graduated frontend developer here in Sweden to watch and get some more information on how a day can look like :)
Unfortunatly haven't landed a job yet, but hopefully will soon!
Have a great one!
best regards Joakim
Im sure you will, took me around 4 months to find this job after graduating from university. :)
@@NiklasHe I see, thanks! :) Yeah, and it has been a bit hard on the market lately with everything happening. So hopefully it will start to come out more jobs now going forward 🙂
Are there any specific techstacks you would say is most interesting for a company to see from a junior frontend dev now adays?
We've been sitting mostly with React, alot of React Native for me on my internships.
AoT! Lets go! 😎✌🏻 Hälsningar från en svensk utvecklare 👌🏻
I just immediately pressed like once you started playing AoT. Nice video mate.
Knew there were gonna be some people who appreciated it :D
Kung är du Niklas! Ska kolla varje video du lägger upp
Hehe ty för support :D
I'm so glad I found this video. I've been living and working as a SWE in Stockholm since 2019 and I'm about to move back to the USA in two weeks. My salary was the same as yours and I worked near T-Centralen. Your office looks like Kista. The work culture in Stockholm is generally good but I just couldn't deal with the low pay, lack of career diversity, and the advancement bias against non-Swedes.
Yes office is Kista. :) When it comes to getting promotions it's also that at least at the company I work at, they want everyone to be around the same level and have same salary so no one pulls ahead. For example we were 5 people that started the same time and we have the exact same salary.
Regarding advancement bias against non-Swedes I think there can be a little bit of it, but it can be that there some people who like to speak Swedish over English.
Hey man I am also american and have been here 13 years. I fully agree with everything you have said. I barely have motivation to work because it feels like you aren't rewarded for it. The Swedish and American culture is extremely different. I am very unhappy in Sweden, I go very much against the train of thought here. I am still here because I have a wife and son now. I have future plans of moving back to the USA with them.
Not only is the pay low but if you are an American expat investments are near impossible. You more or less need to give up US citizenship or move back.
Say what you will about the US but I miss all the loud, rowdy, beer drinking, pot smoking Americans.
Sweden will unfortunately never feel like home.
Very true, you quickly hit the ceiling when it comes to salary and advancement in Sweden. If you ever wanna get over that 7-9k usd/month you have to become a manager with personell responsibilities. There is no other way. And if you go the manager/director path your coding will be replaced with managing people, recruitment, deadlines, expectations, team culture bla bla...
I say as a Swede that I think Swedish corporate culture is great for mediocre people and getting mediocre people to do great things together (like an ant colony). But if you are a hungry and ambitious person, most Swedish companies will feel suffocating. I would move to the US if I could but it looks like it's basically impossible.
@@bjornkihlberg2103 amazing analogy! I wouldn't even go as far as to say Swedes are inherently mediocre but most don't have a desire to be more than "lagom" even when they have the potential to be far greater. The Swedish cultural mentality is limiting to me.
Nice of you to share, doesn't look like my cup of tea but glad you enjoy it! :)
Yeah not for everyone. Not that much human interaction
@@NiklasHe do you wish you had more social interactions?
Jag gillar hur du börjar videon med att säga din lön. Blir som en jumpscare för alla amerikaner 😂.
Ärligt talat dock, tack för denna videon. Jag studerar just nu och kommer troligen börja jobba med software engineering eller något nära inpå.
Om jag får en så fin tur till och från jobbet så skulle nog jag också känna mig glad. Naturen är verkligen något som kan boosta humöret. Synd bara att de flesta utbildningarna ligger i stan 😅.
amazing! keep uploading more!
Very well produced video, cheers!
Bra video! Jag prenumererar! Fortsätt så!
that's awesome.. pray for the solutions... God bless us :)
the aot soundtrack sounded beautiful man, nice one!
I love being a SWE in USA, great video :)
EDIT: Loved the AOT piano playing!! Inspring!
I knew at least one person would appreciate it :)
quite surprised that you get 3200$ after taxes with 4200$ gross. I am working in Finland, make around 4350€, but only get little less than 3000€ after taxes. : )
Also the lunch is typically around 13.5€/serving, so also little bit cheaper there, which I also noticed when visiting Stockholm this summer, eating out, and services in general, are somewhat cheaper in Sweden.
The work culture seems very similar, also the forest routes are very common here, even in big cities.
About the salary. I think it quite normal to think in terms of needs and requirements; can I pay bills, do I get to go to summer and/or winter/off-week holidays, can I accumulate savings, can I do {insert_happy_activity}, etc. and after that the money really does not affect that much.
And I can say even with this salary level there is quite enough money for monthly savings and hobbies if you don't have lavish lifestyle or too expensive house.
I think he has reduced tax because he pays rent on his apartment? And he lives in Stockholm, where the city tax is lower than most other citys.
Yes, Sweden has become the cheapest country among the nordic countries because our currency lost so much valye.
My daughter lives in Esbo and the rent is higher, food is more expensive, eating out more expensive than in Stockholm. + the food eating out in Sweden is much much better!
Alcohol is also much cheaper in Sweden.
We have had income tax deductions since 2006, which has increased since, making the effective income tax ~23-24%, as opposed to the up-front income tax of ~30%. The tax system has become more fair to workers in the past 20 years.
I’m not sure if the salaries are comparable. In Sweden the employer pay 31,42% payroll tax before your reported salary. Which you then pay income tax on.
Regarding lunch, we have a lower VAT on food and drinks which might explain the difference?
Grym video, försöker studera för o bli data analytiker.
Jag försöker bilda sådan harmoni också med livet; förbättra relationer, träning, studier osv. Tufft just nu men de blir nog bättre längre fram :)
I am an intern at a devops team at a software company right now. I really hope I land a junior role so I dont have to continue studying. The work life balance here in Sweden seems great though maybe not as flashy as the 10xers in the states.
Good attitude 👍😊
"Make your weekends worse" is honestly the funniest (and best) advice I've heard regarding work-life balance 😂 Not a software eng but can confirm that other engi-jobs are quite similar. source: Swedish engineer
Kul video! Tycker idéen om att byta tid mot säkerhet på 9-5 jobb sammanfattar svenska arbetskulturen rätt bra. Vad för sidoprojekt grejar du med?
Tackar :) Det blir väll denna youtube kanal, har en hemsida också, sen piano och kinesiska.
that's a lot of meeting my boy 3 hours meetings, 1 hour lunch break takes about an hour to get in to the work mode so you really get to write meaningful code about 2-3 hours if you're not late, in a rush and get distracted.
Fun video to watch and wholesome tips. Also great to see young people thriving as system developers here in Sweden. If Infor is you employer then I would guess that M3 is the product you work with. Used to work as a sysdeveloper for a warehouse system which supported socket api for Movex/M3. Working with one of Microsofts ERPs today.
Yes its M3, I'm currently also working in warehouse part of the system
Norwegian here. How hard is to get a software engineering job in Swe / Scandinavian? Selftaught vs University?
Awesome vlog btw. I can see the Swedish culture is close to the Norwegian 🫡
Juniors are struggling a bit right now but a couple of years ago the market was wide open. It will swing back.
Right now its more difficult to get a job for example in stockholm when I started back in 2020 there were 2500 job openings on Linkedin, now there is less then 500 so less jobs for sure. But I do believe if you have done side projects and can write and understand code well, got good social skills and can speak the native language its still quite easy.
Any insight in job demand and pay for the different software roles you mentioned? Particularly regarding frontend vs backend. I find frontend more interesting and rewarding but I hear it is harder to get a job and pays less. Am currently doing a master in software design and dont know which route to pick, leaning towards frontend. Great video by the way! I like the relaxed style of video and the life you are leading!
love it mate.
wow, that salary can’t even pay a 3 bedroom condominium flat in Singapore. 😂 nice place. thanks for sharing your experiences. subscribed! following your channel!
Thanks for the inspiring video! Would love to hear if you have any advice on how difficult it is to find a software engineering job in Stockholm and/or Sweden in general, tips on how to do so, and what kind of educational background one needs?
Right now as Im writing this comment it's definitely more difficult to find a job compared to when I was looking 4 years ago. Back then I remember there were 4500 developer jobs in Stockholm. Now there is around 700.
As for suggestion on how to find a job I would say learn how to solve tech interview questions, I used a website called code wars. Then also do some side projects so you can stand out from other job applicants. A lot of people don't have any side projects.
As for education getting a relevant 3 year degree is enough. I got a 5 year with masters but most of my collegues got a 3 year in IT or system developer.
Nice videon!
You work in Kista that is nice. I take classes there to become an electrical engineer.
very nice video!
So, as a Swede Im getting annoyed my many of the comments.
Stockholm is very expensive, and its impossible to pay rent unless you live with others or have bought your apparment.
Food is just as expensive as new York.
And yes, tuition isnt free but payed with taxes.
In the us, you dont pay 32% tax on your pension neither if you earn 1.200 dollar a month.
Here you do.
Youre welcome.
And I have to say it looks very idyllic to live country side, but in the winter…the darkness eat you alive.
For everyone watching, he said that his salary is "below average", let me just add "below average in Stockholm". Salaries in other parts of Sweden can't compete with the capital city salaries :)
Love the video! "We will watch your career with great interest"!
$4200 isn't even that much after 3.5 years. Sweden has laughable wages for people with higher education. There should be an incentive to pursue higher education. It is ridiculous to go to school and take csn and make as much money as someone driving a forklift over night. Can't wait to get through school and get the hell out of Sweden and back to the USA.
I wonder how often swedish weather let's you bike to work? I mean rain and snow can be nasty
Whats stops me from biking is that the days becomes too short in Sweden (start of November) and then of course snow and ice. I would say this year I have biked every day between Mars - September
Amazing I am from Texas in the US and I’m new to engineering and want to be a software engineer.. did you get a degree( mines is in marketing) and if so what project did you build to get a internship or your first job any project advice for someone with no experience to start with? Thank you❤
Yes I got an degree studied IT and then got a masters in software engineering. As for projects I just looked up a lot of tutorials online on youtube like creating a youtube website clone / facebook website clone and more or less copied and then added some more features to those websites.
Then I also solved a lot of programming interview questions, I used a website called Code wars, and then had a link to my Code wars profile to show the code I have written.
As for learning how to code I used Udemy and took some courses in Python and Javascript. I was not able to learn coding from School.
Hope it goes well for you :)
Great video! I'm a newly graduated computer scientist who just got a job in Stockholm as well, this was a good preview of what I am getting myself into. How are you finding Kista by the way? :D
Congrats! :) Kista is great, a lot of really good lunch restaurants.
awesome video, great work life balance. Question, do you feel like your life will start becoming monotonous after some time?
For sure it will. The seniors who has worked here for 25+ years do the same work as I do. Each task is different but It's the some work flow every time.
But I think the more experience you get the more freedom you can demand, since your slaary doesn't change that much at all. For example Im going to work from China again next month.
amazing video
sorry i am studying cse in India and the work life culture is very toxic here so i want to move abroad and watching it makes me want to work in your place , i just need peaceful life man i hope i can get there
Haha! Vill inte doxa dig men kände direkt igen mig. Bor bara några hundra meter ifrån mig, o den skogen har jag så många minnen i. Känns lite konstigt att se området jag växt upp i på YT
appreciate the video, do you have any tips on how to find programming funny and easy to do ? im a CS student studying in languages like c and c# but i find it quite difficult. Appreciate any tips :)
The way I learned to code and really understood it was to solve tech programing interview questions, I used a website called codewars but there are others for example leetcode. I started with easy problems and then worked my way up. But for me I had to start writing code and thinking about code and not just watch tutorials.
Office seems very empty? Did you go on a friday?
Friday during the summer break (July - August), I picked a day where there were gonna be less people just to make it easier for myself to record and not having to explain to a lot of people.
cool video brother
Seems much more chill than my day as a software engineer in the US, but WOW. $4,000 a month. I know its not all about the money, but wow... I think most software engineers in the US would decline a job if they offered DOUBLE that.
Yes salaries here are not comparable to the US, like the seniors who has worked 25+ years maybe make 8k USD before taxes. Living in Sweden is probably also a lot cheaper. I save around 1k USD every month.
Would that be 8000 before tax? And all includes? I also have 3 yoe as a swe in europe and make about 4500 euro before tax. But that does not include pension, transport, bonus, holiday allowance etc. In total i make 75k euro a year. 82k dollar.
Working 9 days every 2 weeks plus 6 weeks paid time off.
@@NiklasHe 8k here is a good starting salary, what you would get for your first job after college, and taxes here are lower too. but of course on the flip side, you have to pay for health care, you have to save more for retirement, etc. I make about 12k, and save about 5k a month, but I save a lot more than most people I feel like.
Living in Sweden is much much more affordable. That’s why
You're also not $200k in debt for tuition when living in Sweden.
I earn about $4000 before tax, close to 5 years experience, thought my job is in a town much smaller than Stockholm. Seems like we got the same work tasks and responsibilities. I got to ask, how many hours do you spend at work? I spend about 30 minutes to an hour at lunch, time not considered as a part of the 8 hours workday. I would love to be able to get some gym time in there, but that would make me have to spend closer to 10 hours at work (which is not uncommon at all). You seem to have it all figured out landing a terrific job at a terrific company.
I spend around 8h in total at the office. No one really keeps track of time but I try not to be the first to leave the office. I feel like once the first person on the team leaves then it's ok to leave also.
But I would say lunch and gym is included since it's quite common for me to come up with solutions during time. We have also had lectures saying that we sometimes think better when moving and are not in front of the desk so I think my manager supports going to the gym.
@@NiklasHe Sound really nice...
thanks for sharing .i am curious if I plan to work in Sweden do I need to learn Swedish. I know English and Chinese now.
i just finish my master degree of cs in us ,how to get relevant job in Sweden?
Some companies prefer people who can speak Swedish but it defenietly isn't a must. English is enough to get a job since anyone can speak English here, especially in the tech industry. There are a lot of Indians and Chinese in the company I work. I found my job through Linkedin.
@@NiklasHe thank for your detail info ,it`s very useful .
Pretty much. I work from home though, no office so even more relaxed. Starting to feel kinda boring though
Understandable, Going to office once or twice per week is quite nice. Makes me appreciate working from home more. During summer no one is at the office so I worked mostly from home and yes it did get boring
Vilket företag är det? Ser väldigt trevligt ut!
Företaget heter Infor. Jodå det är ett bra företag!
What kind of course did you finish and how many years was it?
I studied IT (information communcation) and then got a masters in software engineering. 3 years bachelor and 2 years masters in Sweden.
Finns det någon oro från din sida som programmerare över att AI kommer "ta över" den typen av arbete?
Tror nog det ska vara lugnt närmaste tiden (5 år), många chefer har haft dessa möten med oss och enligt det ska det vara lugnt.
Rollen kommer antagligen att att ändras men inte att man blir helt ersatt tror jag.
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4200 is what a cleaning lady, server or retail cashier makes here in Switzerland. Software Engineers make at least 8k. Most above 10k. Heck even I earn around 8k with a regular office job.
Yeah, cost of living is a lot cheaper in Sweden though. This is just numbers from the top result on Google:
"Cost of Living in Switzerland is 83.0% higher than in Sweden (without rent)
Cost of Living Including Rent in Switzerland is 95.0% higher than in Sweden
Rent Prices in Switzerland are 137.1% higher than in Sweden
Restaurant Prices in Switzerland are 76.6% higher than in Sweden
Groceries Prices in Switzerland are 85.4% higher than in Sweden
Local Purchasing Power in Switzerland is 21.1% higher than in Sweden"
So your local purchasing power is only 21.1% higher than here despite earning a lot more. Sweden is a fairly low income country with very even salaries across all fields if you take our standard of living into account. We don't really have the extreme lows or the extreme highs that you can see in other countries.
4200 is what a (low) manager level employee earns in Italy, so what? If you don’t take into account the cost of living, healthcare and other benefits, monthly pay is just a number…
Different countries, I think its still pretty good compared to most other countries so not complaining at all. :)
There are even more chill SWE jobs. 🙂
Wow Man!
Amazing country. Winter is depressing there tho'.
Summer for sure better then winter. But winter is great to work on your own things since there isnt much else to do :D
does your company take internships?
As for as I know then no. I have never seen someone do a master thesis or internship here
How did you managed to get job in Swedan?
I went to university in Sweden and then found the job via Linkedin
No standing desks ?
They are all standing desks. I probably do 70% sitting and 30% standing.
Have you recently relocated to sweden ?
No I have in Sweden my whole life, just moved cities :)
Hur kommer du undan med endast 24% skatt?
Solna kommun
@@stefankhoo1618 Solnas kommunalskatt är 29,75% och lägst i Sverige är Österåker med 28,98%. Frågan kvarstår.
@@Enchisedmy Jobbavdraget och grundskatteavdraget sänker skatten
Stämmer bor i Solna och vet inte exakt hur det fungerar med skatten, har inte gjort något heller får att påverka min skatt, men det kommer in 33.5k-34.5k in på kontot varje månad.
are u a junior or a mid level engineer?
I think I count as a mid level since I have been working for around 4 years now.
Vilken bra buffé för ca 115kr. Här i Skåne kostar en icke buffé men husmanskost ca 130-140kr. Har slutat äta ute.
Enligt mig en av Stockholms bästa lunch restauranger.
Liknande här, buffen är billigare än vanliga restauranger,
i need one of these jobs man but im so ass at coding😭
learn 🙃 My gf was dropped from university (has 2 unfinished universities, I tried just 1 and also didn't finish it) and after that she started coding.
She was total beginner when it comes to coding. HTML > CSS > JS > ReactJs.
She was depressed because she felt like failure. She also procrastinated coding. But after not even a year learning (on and off), she landed a job and is very happy.
Don't give up. You got this 😉
@@salesforcecodegen thank you for the inspiration brother, i will keep up the grind
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As a swede, if a company says they are a big family - run away.
Will keep that in mind. So far no red flags
Yeah, I agree. You won’t be rewarded for your hard work, no matter how long you stay there.
i always go to the toilet to stretch cause i dont want distract my colleague and its embarrassing
You need to try harder, healthy lifestyle should be encouraged. :D
4200$ after working for nearly 4 years, that seems extremely low? In Denmark you would easily get a position for 5700$ if not slightly more. Do sweden not value their developers?
If you want to compare with danish salary, multiply the swedish by 30%, in this case 5460. Why? Because the social-security stuff is withdrawn before you see them in Sweden but not in Denmark. Then remember than taxes are higher in Denmark as well.
I think 4.2k is fine really. But the company I work at (Infor) definitely pays below average. Out of all the people I graduated with I have the lowest salary. Most of my friends make 4.5 - 5k. But I will try to push a little bit during the next salary talk :)
@@frstchan The average tax in Denmark is lower / near the same as Sweden. Only if you pay the highest tax (which few does), then yeah its high. People who say the taxes in Denmark are high either doesnt understand the tax range, or they assume the person is making 12k+ a month.
I dont care what you say, 4200$ is undervalued for a developer, even in Sweden. (well apparently not) And you most certainly dont have to add 30% when comparing the salaries between the two countries, thats bogus.
Some grocery categories does seem to be cheaper in Sweden, but rent and general maintenance costs are around the same between the two countries, unless you again specifically use CPH your basis (which again, people like to base their meassurements around the most expensive city to make it look worse than it is)
@@NiklasHe As long as you are happy and enjoy the work you do. I make 4.7k which is way too low, but i get alot of freetime, freedom and other benefits, aswell as shares to make up for it.
@@MrBa143 In Sweden, the pre-tax salary you will se will have all the pension/healthcare/etc cost withdrawn before you see it, and THEN income taxes are drawn from it.
In Denmark, the pension/healthcare/etc is INCLUDED in the pre-tax salary you will see and THEN income taxes are drawn from it.
This means, in Sweden, when you see a salary of say 4000, it already had these things withdrawn. And that is roughly speaking 30% of the salary. So you have to add this number to the salary to compare to other countries.
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I am a structural engineer in Denmark. Your salary sounds low! I have two years experience and have 6000 before taxes. And software engineers should get more than structural.
Wow, that's a poverty salary. Did you have to get a University degree for that!?
You must be living in the US because salaries like this one are the averages in Europe
Yeah went to university for 5 years (Masters) although many of my colleges only went for 3 years (Bachelor). My entrance salary was 3200USD before taxes and 2400USD after.
Java isn’t old. You are young 😂
du måste byta jobb varje år för att få bättre lön.
Ja, jag förväntar mig ungefär 2% - 3% löneökning varje år. Om jag blir promotad så kanske 6% - 7%.
Your saddleheight is too low
I will adjust it next year when I pump the wheels!
no shower needed he said lmfaoo. id hate to be ur colleague
no complaints yet from colleagues! :D Actually they probably wouldnt tell me...
Yeah please shower buddy. Respect your colleagues.