Why Speed Isn't Everything - The Slowbro Theorem

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  • @Missiletainn
    @Missiletainn 3 місяці тому +1799

    Chilly Reception doesn't have negative priority, it's just exclusively on the Slows so always goes last

    • @sh0shin
      @sh0shin 3 місяці тому +191

      Pretty important in trick room where teleport would still go last for instance but yeah

    • @Dabrick47
      @Dabrick47 3 місяці тому +68

      What did the ice man say to the bird boy?
      Stay COOL!!!😂😂😂
      😅🌨️

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 3 місяці тому +24

      Can we get a Stakataka vs Slowbro match to confirm?

    • @laprasrules12
      @laprasrules12 3 місяці тому +91

      Its actually only on both Slowkings. The bros get nothing

    • @oopsie-dazy
      @oopsie-dazy 3 місяці тому +48

      ​@@laprasrules12 Which makes it ironic that the theorem is named after Slowbro, since king is the bigger benefactor while bro fell off without Teleport in gen 9

  • @PedroHenrique-mk5zi
    @PedroHenrique-mk5zi 3 місяці тому +1239

    I find funny how the rebuttal to the Deoxys Theorem took 1 year to arrive. Slowbro takes things slowly, true to its name.

    • @DarkSymphony777
      @DarkSymphony777 3 місяці тому +54

      Reminds me of a thread post where a guy said he would wait a year to finish a reply
      Then on a year to the day, DID

    • @shimogane2474
      @shimogane2474 3 місяці тому +20

      iits not named fastbro its slowbro science after all

    • @Nameless_mixes
      @Nameless_mixes 3 місяці тому +11

      Slowbro uses Internet Explorer

    • @justaperson8381
      @justaperson8381 3 місяці тому +2

      Merry christmas

    • @mrmeu3480
      @mrmeu3480 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@DarkSymphony777 you would have been memorable if you took a year to finish this story

  • @donkarasu-9644
    @donkarasu-9644 3 місяці тому +252

    Remembering how certain players would have Groudon/Kyogre slower on purpose to override the other weather Pokemon's, well, weather.

    • @natnew32
      @natnew32 3 місяці тому +4

      That was a lot more specific because it was only relevant on the first turn.

    • @RaventhortheWarrior
      @RaventhortheWarrior 3 місяці тому +44

      ​@natnew32 but that's VERY relevant in vgc

    • @konbkob4156
      @konbkob4156 3 місяці тому +17

      Even to the point of using Level 49 Groudon

    • @BEEEES
      @BEEEES 3 місяці тому +12

      ​@@konbkob4156 and then level 48 kyogre

    • @wonderfulrose477
      @wonderfulrose477 3 місяці тому +10

      @@BEEEESand then level 47 groudon

  • @freddyP300
    @freddyP300 3 місяці тому +702

    "Domain Expansion Trick Room. Now you're too slow, bro." - Slowbro 2006

    • @jamieweir645
      @jamieweir645 3 місяці тому +75

      The infamous Saturo Slowjo 😎

    • @FirstlyMe
      @FirstlyMe 3 місяці тому +33

      Opponent: 1809+ speed

    • @polarissolaris-q3x
      @polarissolaris-q3x 3 місяці тому +65

      Regieleki: Nah, I'd outspeed.

    • @armorbearer9702
      @armorbearer9702 3 місяці тому +25

      @@jamieweir645 Are you Saturo Slowjo cause you're the slowest, or are you Saturo Slowjo because you are the slowest?

    • @FirstlyMe
      @FirstlyMe 3 місяці тому +15

      @@armorbearer9702 nah
      Are u regiyomen elekuna cuz ur the fastest? Or are you the fastest cuz you’re regiyomen elekuna?

  • @njivwathomassilavwe2056
    @njivwathomassilavwe2056 3 місяці тому +839

    Everyone is gangster until trick room goes up

    • @XanXinGames
      @XanXinGames 3 місяці тому +27

      Until they get hit with a prankster

    • @Ben-jl2rh
      @Ben-jl2rh 3 місяці тому +40

      Regileki don't give af

    • @tomatogenesis
      @tomatogenesis 3 місяці тому +37

      Regieleki while everyone moves in slow motion: "Oh no, anyway-"

    • @BlackHanzo
      @BlackHanzo 3 місяці тому +3

      My Hisuian Goodra can handle it

    • @epicwuexcaliburumbra1736
      @epicwuexcaliburumbra1736 3 місяці тому +7

      @@XanXinGamesyeah untill psy terrain is up.

  • @brandontherabboat4850
    @brandontherabboat4850 3 місяці тому +153

    I’m ngl, I’m REALLY glad that there’s a bunch of moves, Abilities, Pokémon and viable strategies that hinge on you being slower that your opponent. It just shows that higher numbers aren’t the end-all be-all.

    • @reginaldkelly5962
      @reginaldkelly5962 3 місяці тому +10

      But they are. As trick room is making the lower number the "higher stat" in this instance

    • @PauloHenrique-op9zw
      @PauloHenrique-op9zw 3 місяці тому +7

      Remember "Why Stats aren't Everything or The Quagsire Theorem"?
      This game is more than "I do bazillion damage, I win"

  • @sekaihunter9378
    @sekaihunter9378 3 місяці тому +466

    The Slowbro and Slowking family are such CHADs that:
    - They have always stayed competitive ever since their debuts all the way in Gen 1 and Gen 2 (never fall below RU while the frauds Snorlax and Tauros went to ZU and Untiered)
    - Oblivious to all forms of power creeps, always grinding in the gym to become their better selves (Regenerator in Gen 5, Mega Slowbro in Gen 6, Teleport in Gen 8, Chilly Reception in Gen 9)
    - Are so CHAD that the only one who could power creep their roles are their cousin in Galar!

    • @Miguel_I_guess
      @Miguel_I_guess 3 місяці тому +42

      Slow regen pivot, another water type comes to mind (dr tox)

    • @SolaricSage116
      @SolaricSage116 3 місяці тому +7

      What happened in Gen 7?

    • @YourHumbleNarrator
      @YourHumbleNarrator 3 місяці тому +4

      @SolaricAngel116 Being one of the best pokemon in lgpe ou count?

    • @onebear6504
      @onebear6504 3 місяці тому +12

      ​​@@SolaricSage116 Toxapex

    • @sephikong8323
      @sephikong8323 3 місяці тому +8

      But ....... Slowking and Slowbro have both been NU at least once though.
      Slowking was NU in Gen 4 and Slowbro was NU in Gen 7

  • @lvl5Vaporeon
    @lvl5Vaporeon 3 місяці тому +336

    I like thinking slowbro becomes the flash and gains alakazams IQ under trick room; then proceeding to spout the most unhinged philosophical hot takes during those 5 turns.

    • @dylanbuchanan6511
      @dylanbuchanan6511 3 місяці тому +21

      I always thought slowking was like that while its brother Slowbro was the um…slow one

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 3 місяці тому +25

      Technically Slowpoke is the smartest of them but cannot use it because there is too much, Slowbro and Slowking are more active and aware because the pain of the "Shellder" bite forces them to prioritize what is immediately around them rather than perceiving everything all at once.

    •  3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@nullpoint3346Was that not just a fan theory?

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 3 місяці тому +7

      It's still in Head canon territory, but it has more canonical support than you'd expect.

    • @Mikescool444
      @Mikescool444 3 місяці тому

      So he basically becomes Xavier?

  • @spunchbob.
    @spunchbob. 3 місяці тому +252

    Slowbro and Deoxys-S confirmed beef?!

    • @sekaihunter9378
      @sekaihunter9378 3 місяці тому +21

      ​@HieuMai-go1cx and I'm imagining Slowking coming out of the shed to defend his bro, forcing Deoxys-S to call for help from his other forms.

    • @Mashu-tw7yf
      @Mashu-tw7yf 3 місяці тому

      Slowbro: im sped naow

    • @Afrochilla
      @Afrochilla 3 місяці тому +10

      @HieuMai-go1cxIt'll start as a friendly fade, then Slowbro will out Deoxys as a sex offender that is truly not like us. Craziest rap beef of 2025 get ready for it.

    • @therickestmaverick2713
      @therickestmaverick2713 3 місяці тому

      Them psycho boost getting neutralized I can only watch in silence.
      The famous lead we once knew just got paralyzed and I'm smiling.
      You spiking just like a degenerate the uber council think you might be distasteful.
      I calculate you not as calculated I can even predict your angle.
      Fabricating lies on the smogon forms cause you hate scarf darkrie.

    • @Mr-rr5qw
      @Mr-rr5qw 3 місяці тому +1

      I'd like to imagine how the beef started was Deoxy's S showing off his speed and then Slowbro just sets up trick room, that's it

  • @singingcrow439
    @singingcrow439 3 місяці тому +64

    Mons with weather setting abilities also benefit from being slower because if they enter the same turn as an opposing weather setter, the faster mons ability activates first, only for their weather to be canceled out by the slower one.
    This means being slower is an advantage as you can get your weather up while preventing theirs.

    • @skeetermania3202
      @skeetermania3202 3 місяці тому +10

      This also applies to terrains. This interaction is also most common in VGC, and it’s one of the main reasons Torkoal is such a menace there.

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 3 місяці тому

      Almost makes weather fusions worth considering, real world weather can be pretty crazy.
      Raining _upwards_ in a plain biome is just the beginning.

    • @sephikong8323
      @sephikong8323 3 місяці тому

      ​@nullpoint3346 That's how you create Acid Rain you fool

  • @Nadid_Dhrabb
    @Nadid_Dhrabb 3 місяці тому +82

    "You can consider this video to be SLOW CINEMA"
    I see you BKC

  • @mistahanansi2264
    @mistahanansi2264 3 місяці тому +50

    FSG: “Speed isn’t everything.”
    **GYRO BALL liked that**

  • @HMZeroTwo
    @HMZeroTwo 3 місяці тому +50

    I had a feeling this would come out, after all speed is ALMOST everything

  • @darklightning2730
    @darklightning2730 3 місяці тому +110

    I’m surprised he didn’t talk about Aegislash, as in that video, he acknowledged how great going second was.

    • @hosni4064
      @hosni4064 3 місяці тому +25

      and not a single mention of Stakataka, probably THE modern face of trick room.

    • @june9914
      @june9914 3 місяці тому +7

      @@hosni4064*faces of trick room. Stackattacka is made of a bunch of,,, attackas? I think

    • @skeetermania3202
      @skeetermania3202 3 місяці тому +3

      @@hosni4064Well, after Cresselia.

    • @dhans9662
      @dhans9662 2 місяці тому

      And with 150 offense stats even if he had to go first he had a decent chance of an OHKO

  • @IndigoZacc
    @IndigoZacc 3 місяці тому +30

    Taking Slowking even further beyond - I made a kinda goofy gen 9 trick room singles team, and my Slowking was the trick room setter. Chilling reception does not have lower priority like teleport does, and the slows dont have teleport in gen 9. This means after Trick Room is set, Slowking would normally go first with Chilling Reception the following turn. To ensure that the Chilling Reception instead went second, I used a Lagging Tail, allowing something like an Assault Vest Iron Hands or a Guts-Flame Orb-Facade Ursaluna getting in safely so they can immediately get to work with the remaining 3 turns of Trick Room.

    • @12jswilson
      @12jswilson 3 місяці тому +5

      In draft, I suggested lagging tail tailwind uturn Whimsicott to a buddy and he's used the strategy multiple times to great success.

  • @Connowot387
    @Connowot387 3 місяці тому +24

    Can’t wait for the Regieleki Theorem: Why Trick Room isn’t everything (and why it can be ignored if you’re fast enough).

    • @DarkSymphony777
      @DarkSymphony777 3 місяці тому +1

      Always been confused about regileki and trick room. Mind explaining?

    • @drunkidiot8364
      @drunkidiot8364 3 місяці тому +15

      If I am not mistaken the gist of it was that the trick room operates on a formula that subtracts the speed value (-10k I think), and then makes it a positive number, what that does is that the smaller numbers from the slowest pokemon turns into a very negative number that later becomes a big positive number thus reversing the turn order, but since regieleki is so friggin fast his number remains positive even after subtraction wich makes him still the fastest pokemon in the order

    • @cross-layered8538
      @cross-layered8538 3 місяці тому +13

      @@DarkSymphony777regieleki is so absurdly fast that due to how tricky room works, it’s speed stat overflows and ends up still faster than everything out regardless. I’d recommend looking up a video, it’s really interesting.

    • @mr.sniffly5297
      @mr.sniffly5297 3 місяці тому +9

      ⁠@@DarkSymphony777because of the way the game calculates trick room turn order, Regieleki can get a high enough speed stat that it still goes first in it’s priority bracket.
      Specifically, Trick Room converts speed stats to (10000-(og speed)), but 8191 is the maximum possible speed value before it reverts back to 0. Most pokemon have less than 1809 speed, so their trick room speed is “reset” after passing the 8191 mark and looks like a somewhat normal amount. However, Regieleki with speed investment and a couple boosts from Agility can reach 2192 speed, so it’s trick room speed can be in the 7000s

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 3 місяці тому +2

      @@DarkSymphony777 Without giving the math.
      Regieleki is fast enough that Trick Room makes it _faster than naturally possible._

  • @YourHumbleNarrator
    @YourHumbleNarrator 3 місяці тому +14

    We need a How GREAT was Slowbro actually

  • @gaster666_
    @gaster666_ 3 місяці тому +104

    I think we all must now agree that speed is the single most important stat in pokemon, whether high or low

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo 3 місяці тому +6

      HP is the most important, without it you lose.

    • @jonahbrown5669
      @jonahbrown5669 3 місяці тому +6

      ​@@RandalfElVikingo I can't tell if this is a bait

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo 3 місяці тому +17

      @@jonahbrown5669 If you think about it, every stat is constructed around reducing or preserving HP. Every win condition is based on who has more HP at the end of the battle, so it is the most important.

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 3 місяці тому +21

      @@jonahbrown5669 HP is the win condition.
      The amount doesn't matter, so long as it is not zero, you "can" still win.
      In Yu-Gi-Oh, the only life point that matters is the last one. (Unless you're in a shadow game with ontological inertia, then you just die when the game ends.)

    • @noukan42
      @noukan42 3 місяці тому +21

      One thing i noticed is that a "mid" speed is far worse than low speed because you still won't outspeed anything relevant, are worse in trick room, and are wasting BST that was better off in any other stat...

  • @justindekoning9988
    @justindekoning9988 3 місяці тому +4

    Another great example of this is the occasinal instances steelix was actually used in Gen 4 OU. It exceled at compa ting roles. Like it could rocks, explode, constantly switch into twaves and toxics, if you gave it an iron ball with 0 speed investment it could also be trickroom and trick punish while getting the benfit having 150 power gyro balls agaisnt a lot of targets. Straight up OHKO'd most latias and did 50% to Rotom

  • @xeruexe1624
    @xeruexe1624 3 місяці тому +6

    You forgot to mention the impact of speed on the weather wars, which had huge impacts on the turbulent Generation 5 competitive scene, but also on the Gen 6 to 7 Unrestricted VGCs. Since the faster setter lost their weather to the slower one, players were trying to set their speed to beat the other setter, but not too slow to be a liability when facing other Pokémon.
    This was especially true with the Primal VGCs, as Kyogres and Groudons specced each other to be slower than the opposing weather setter. I also think this is the reason why ultimately the Ray-ogre core gained an advantage, as Rayquaza Mega Evolving AFTER the weather has been set makes it unconcerned about speed ties with the other two weather legendaries.

  • @manicornianfilmis6874
    @manicornianfilmis6874 3 місяці тому +2

    Stakataka is good at representing this therom as once it gets trick room, it can snowball out of control, and it has great bulk. It can even use a focus sash to live fighting or ground moves just in case

  • @bladedasher
    @bladedasher 3 місяці тому +3

    Bkc sneaking "slow cinema" into the script sent me, this video makes me wanna use forretress and ferrothorn now

  • @redwings13400
    @redwings13400 3 місяці тому +16

    Very generally speaking, the bulkier you are, the more you can afford going second, and bulky pivots actively want to go second.
    If you're frail though, you'd better be going first, otherwise you're in trouble.
    Also, wow, I had no idea about gen 2 phasing mechanics, that's hilarious. I never thought Raikou would want a set that would lower its speed.

  • @Nyadlabaoth
    @Nyadlabaoth 3 місяці тому +3

    slow cinema reference? no kidding BKC writes these

  • @Hax_R_Us
    @Hax_R_Us 3 місяці тому +2

    0:39 I just love when I can hear BKC through the script

  • @wzrdchkn
    @wzrdchkn 3 місяці тому +11

    This could still be considering speed being everything…considering it’s still a video on how GOOD speed is. Now, if the first video was why “going first” was everything-then you could make an argument

  • @daphenomenalz4100
    @daphenomenalz4100 3 місяці тому +10

    Chilly Reception is a such a funny move lol, it's literally a japanese joke 😂
    Also, the animation lmao

  • @snapclub8751
    @snapclub8751 3 місяці тому +3

    I’ve never seen such a horrifying Slowbro in my life. 😱

  • @shun1255
    @shun1255 3 місяці тому +14

    I thought that the Slowbro Theorem was the idea that no matter who you fall in love with, there would always be some dissenters towards who you are because that's who people were.

    • @lick1330
      @lick1330 3 місяці тому +1

      Ferrothorn can cope all he wants. Love is love

    • @june9914
      @june9914 3 місяці тому +11

      How HOMOPHOBIC was Ferrothtorn actually?

    • @ryangallagher9723
      @ryangallagher9723 3 місяці тому +3

      least esoteric competitive pokemon joke

    • @mr.cauliflower3536
      @mr.cauliflower3536 3 місяці тому +1

      Losing speed ties or not, The way I see it, Kyogre is surrounded. What's under the ocean? That's right, more earth.

  • @Wither64
    @Wither64 3 місяці тому +1

    never knew my favorite pokémon had an entire theorem named after it, really great video!!

    • @seisveintiocho-x9e
      @seisveintiocho-x9e 3 місяці тому

      It did not. These names are made up for these videos. Anyone can make them up. "Why poison is something, the Weedle Theorem"

    • @Wither64
      @Wither64 3 місяці тому

      @@seisveintiocho-x9e oh rip

  • @justinnzamora5366
    @justinnzamora5366 3 місяці тому +27

    TFW speed is NOT key and slow and steady can win the race.
    I'm glad that Pokémon such as Slowbro, Slowking, Ferrothorn, and Reuniclus can thrive despite their slow speed.

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 3 місяці тому +9

      Speed is almost everything, but nobody said that you had to be _fast._

    • @prof.reuniclus21
      @prof.reuniclus21 3 місяці тому +1

      @@nullpoint3346this, it’s all about minmaxing. If you’re bulky and strong you can take a hit and deal MASSIVE damage, and priority doesn’t matter.

  • @paganiniishere
    @paganiniishere 3 місяці тому +8

    11:58
    Articuno used Roar.
    Suicune : No U

  • @dragonflarefrog1424
    @dragonflarefrog1424 3 місяці тому +10

    I would be shocked if this video did not mention wobbuffet.

  • @skeetermania3202
    @skeetermania3202 3 місяці тому +2

    Another example which is applicable to VGC is with Incineroar. If paired with another Intimidator with a switch move (like Landorus-T), you can have this interaction:
    Turn 0: Both opponents will be at -2 attack from both Intimidates
    Turn 1: Lando-T uses U-turn and switches out, then Incineroar moves after the opponents and brings Lando-T back in for another Intimidate. If Parting Shot was used, one of those Pokémon will be left with -4 Attack and -1 Sp Atk at the end of the turn, while the other is left with -3 Attack. This is all enabled because Incineroar is as slow as it is.

  • @BotSupportIronValiant
    @BotSupportIronValiant 3 місяці тому +2

    No mention of the weather wars where VGC players brought in level 49 Groudon to set up Sun

  • @Jianichie
    @Jianichie 3 місяці тому +10

    Good lord that thumbnail. ☠️

  • @vannsylten6765
    @vannsylten6765 3 місяці тому +6

    Anyone remember people using Lv 99 (or lower) Slowbro and Slowking for slower Teleports? Cause I sure do.

    • @riccardocasu5576
      @riccardocasu5576 3 місяці тому +5

      In tiers where Cofagrigus was a decent Pokémon and used as Trick Room sweeper some people used lv.99 Cofagrigus to make sure the opponent's Cofagrigus can't outspeed in Trick Room and do a counter sweeping.

  • @yati426
    @yati426 3 місяці тому +2

    6:44
    The pokeball has scizor written over it

  • @herbmaaster
    @herbmaaster 2 місяці тому

    slowpoke and dragapult in one thumbnail im sold. two classics, dragapult a new classic

  • @timothymccormack9927
    @timothymccormack9927 3 місяці тому +3

    How trapping is almost everything, otherwise known as the dugtrio theorem

  • @sampletext02
    @sampletext02 3 місяці тому +1

    The mention of slow cinema all but guarantees the GOAT BKC helped write this one. lol

  • @DonNextDoor286
    @DonNextDoor286 3 місяці тому +6

    Can’t wait to watch why Pokemon isn’t everything, the Pokemon theorem

    • @cradiculous
      @cradiculous 3 місяці тому

      the nintendo stans would cry

  • @pacoramon9468
    @pacoramon9468 3 місяці тому +3

    Speed is the only stat that you can benefit from being lower.

    • @burritoman2k
      @burritoman2k 3 місяці тому +5

      Pure special attackers benefit from having attack as low as possible to take minimal damage from confusion self damage and Foul Play

    • @prof.reuniclus21
      @prof.reuniclus21 3 місяці тому +1

      Low def could be useful for counter

  • @RandomGuy-us9go
    @RandomGuy-us9go 3 місяці тому +2

    Ditto also wants to underspeed opposing ditto so they dont transform and keep more pp on the move, effectively meaning you get a win-win scenario where the opponent switches out their ditto and you immediatly transform, or they stay in and burn 5 pp before you burn 16 of your own transform, making them use struggle several turns before you

  • @Toomanian
    @Toomanian 3 місяці тому +2

    Bro really made the BKC reference with slow cinema

  • @chainlinkwarden
    @chainlinkwarden 3 місяці тому +2

    speed isn't everything. It's just almost everything.

  • @DaikoruArtwin
    @DaikoruArtwin 3 місяці тому +1

    Aegislash is also a special case that wants to move second. It transforms into the frail Blade Form upon attack, so it wants to tank a hit under Shield form first. In fact, in Ubers, there's an Aegislash set that uses Iron Ball to further lower his speed for the sole purpose of countering Xerneas. Whenever Xerneas shows up, you know he's going to Geomancy and attempt to sweep your team. Aegislash can just casually switch in, take whatever Geomancy-boosted attack Xerneas throws in Shield form, and one-shot back with a powerful Gyro Ball in Blade form. The Iron Ball is needed for that Gyro Ball to reach max power and one-shot Xerneas, without the drawbacks of Life Orb and Choice Band.

    • @skeetermania3202
      @skeetermania3202 3 місяці тому

      Jamie Boyt also won a regional in 2016 with a Power Anklet Aegislash, again used with the purpose of beating Xerneas.

  • @razorfgc
    @razorfgc 3 місяці тому +1

    Something that wasnt mentioned is how if both people send out weather setters, the slower pokemon's weather stays up.

  • @abraham-kun4144
    @abraham-kun4144 3 місяці тому +8

    We need a theorem about why HP isn't everything.

    • @drunkidiot8364
      @drunkidiot8364 3 місяці тому +1

      Elaborate, cuz the only examples I can think of is shedinja wich is something very exclusive because of wonder guard, the pain split that works best on pokemon with lower base health, and the f.e.a.r strat that has its own video

    • @galaxystudios370
      @galaxystudios370 3 місяці тому +1

      The Guzzlord Theorem

    • @xaropevic7918
      @xaropevic7918 3 місяці тому

      Wigglytuff syndrom, where the pokémon has high HP but no bulk in either defense

    • @glacierwolf2155
      @glacierwolf2155 3 місяці тому

      The Shedinja Theorem

    • @june9914
      @june9914 3 місяці тому

      So, bastiodon theorem?

  • @crownedshyness9656
    @crownedshyness9656 3 місяці тому +3

    Slow & steady wins the race.

  • @thel-iteralone4592
    @thel-iteralone4592 3 місяці тому +2

    You know what they say: slow and steady wins the race! Unless the speed tie happens, which definitely will with certain Pokemon. Speed not being a factor in accuracy is a huge reason why it can be just as important to dump it as much as possible. Unlike in Pokemon Conquest, where speed determines accuracy, and accuracy sure as heck is everything.

  • @WolfHideANT
    @WolfHideANT 3 місяці тому

    Breaks down strategies, super useful !!

  • @Ilikecheese-bx2ds
    @Ilikecheese-bx2ds 3 місяці тому +1

    Why size isn’t everything - the gamer theorem

  • @ekman2095
    @ekman2095 3 місяці тому +1

    There is always payback and avalanche who's negative prio and double damage if moving last

  • @Tine_of_Nice_Dreams
    @Tine_of_Nice_Dreams 3 місяці тому

    Im surprised the famous lv49 groudon wasnt mentioned! Love the video thumbnail, cool vid

  • @Phoenix-xh9cd
    @Phoenix-xh9cd 3 місяці тому +1

    I though you would have talked about primal groudon they often ran minimum speed so that they would get weather dominance over Kyogre

  • @aminita2834
    @aminita2834 3 місяці тому +1

    slow cinema.. bkc was here

  • @Eddie_Enfer
    @Eddie_Enfer 3 місяці тому +1

    Speed is almost everything, low or high

  • @thefirespecialist9007
    @thefirespecialist9007 3 місяці тому +1

    I've ran Counter + Mirror Coat on Gastrodon before. Very fun since Gastrodon only has 1 weakness, and with it's bulkier sets, you can do chunks of damage, and then Recover when you need to.

  • @DarkBlackGod14
    @DarkBlackGod14 3 місяці тому +1

    When i hear "Game for children" about pokemon, i always remember videos like this one, whitch just show how 395D Chess of a geme Pokemon is.

  • @MegaLEEDLE
    @MegaLEEDLE 3 місяці тому +1

    put fling on da slowbro wit a heavy ball

  • @charvisaur4184
    @charvisaur4184 3 місяці тому +1

    Hot take. Trick Room Zong was underrated in Gen 6 OU. You could threaten most of the meta game with it. EQ, Gyro Ball, Hp Ice, Trick Room. Heatran, Clef, Chomp, Lando, Latis, TTar. None of them eat hits well from you. He carried me pretty high up the ladder because no one expected the funny bell to sweep once the team was weakened.

  • @ThePeasantRock16
    @ThePeasantRock16 3 місяці тому +3

    Finally NOW WHERES POPULAR ISNT EVERYTHING THEOREM?!

    • @mrsuperheatran2794
      @mrsuperheatran2794 3 місяці тому +1

      Charizard theorem. Dude sucks for a mon that's the golden child of pandering.

    • @ThePeasantRock16
      @ThePeasantRock16 3 місяці тому

      @@mrsuperheatran2794 INDEED EVEN INCINEROAR SUCKS ASS

    • @june9914
      @june9914 3 місяці тому

      @@mrsuperheatran2794at least he’s solid in some gen lower tiers with belly drum. I feel pikachu would be the better candidate, with nice contrast with eevee and clefable

    • @peepoweird
      @peepoweird 3 місяці тому

      Ah yes, the Mienshao theorem

    • @ThePeasantRock16
      @ThePeasantRock16 3 місяці тому

      @@june9914 STILL FUCKIN SUCKS

  • @carlkoopa7389
    @carlkoopa7389 3 місяці тому +1

    Hell yeah, slowbro got spotlight baby!

  • @cwynwyn2934
    @cwynwyn2934 3 місяці тому

    I adore chilly reception to bring out belly drum cetitan. it works 20% of the time but it's really funny

  • @DanteCrowlley
    @DanteCrowlley 3 місяці тому +2

    I have a cruel angel thesis

  • @reuenqad818
    @reuenqad818 3 місяці тому +1

    FSG! Drop the Starmie remake, and my life is yours!

  • @Kiternino
    @Kiternino 3 місяці тому

    Could you look at the competitive history of “snatch”?
    I feel like this was a hidden move nobody was ever expecting and low key the most versatile move created

  • @Earthboundmike
    @Earthboundmike 3 місяці тому

    I'm so happy this is here lol, speed is important but it so doesn't win everything. That's without even getting to trick room.

  • @sh0shin
    @sh0shin 3 місяці тому

    Worth noting that in speed tie metas like this where levels arent forced, you can run lvl 99 slowtwin or mirror match to guaranteed out slow a lvl 100

  • @garryoak
    @garryoak 3 місяці тому +1

    Back in my days, I would run a bastiadon with metal burst. A full Xerneas counter, but the best part was the red card.

  • @1987Drake
    @1987Drake 3 місяці тому +1

    That sweating Rayquaza was brilliant

  • @playersnake
    @playersnake 3 місяці тому

    Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem

  • @indigodegelder
    @indigodegelder 3 місяці тому

    I believe for a time in gen 7 clefable and the slow twins used to even drop a level down to 99 to become even more slow for their negative priority teleport. Stakataka used to do something similar for trickroom aswell. But after this became the norm peopele tried dropping down even another level to outslow again but this proved to be too much wasted stats and everyone returned to lvl 100 again because it always ends up being a speed tie anyways so they preferred having their full stats.

  • @kiyubee1925
    @kiyubee1925 3 місяці тому

    Idea for another video concept like this where you discuss Pokémon that are better than their evolutions; "Why Evolving isn't Everything - The Dusclops Theorem"

  • @seankeller1560
    @seankeller1560 3 місяці тому

    This feels like why speed is everything part 2

  • @neduegeh5859
    @neduegeh5859 3 місяці тому +1

    We need a video discussing 4 moveslot syndrome

  • @gloomba3312
    @gloomba3312 3 місяці тому +1

    Didn't mention how people would actually run underlevelled Slowbro/king purely so they could consistently get their teleport to go off second in the mirror

  • @HulaShark
    @HulaShark 3 місяці тому

    This also makes me think about how have a low speed stat is a saving grace for low BST mons. Having an extra 20-50 to put into stats other than speed is what some low BST mons to have a chance and helps them min max their stats. Some mons that come to mind are the Slow twins, Amoongus, and Amomamola

  • @GrouchyRaccoon
    @GrouchyRaccoon 3 місяці тому

    I used to run a hideous trick room belly drum Greedent set. It was gimmicky as anything but as soon as it was set up the battle was over.

  • @youtubeuniversity3638
    @youtubeuniversity3638 Місяць тому

    Wobbuffet: Encore, Counter, Mirror Coat, and Destiny Bond, the ultimate prediction game.

  • @zacherytaylor
    @zacherytaylor 3 місяці тому +1

    ONE DAY THEY'LL COVER RELICANTH. AND I'LL BE THERE. JUST LIKE RELICANTH HAS BEEN IN THE OCEAN FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS. I. WILL. BE. HERE.

  • @TheTruePk2
    @TheTruePk2 3 місяці тому

    Gen 5 using fusion bolt/flare after the other was really cool.
    I once had a battle where I faced a double NPC who used after you on my reshiram, used fusion flare, then I got a boosted fusion bolt and fusion flare.
    It's a shame the visual effect never continued

  • @gugg2216
    @gugg2216 3 місяці тому

    These thumbnails continue to get better

  • @zachpro5475
    @zachpro5475 3 місяці тому +1

    Finally another theorem

  • @dragonflarefrog1424
    @dragonflarefrog1424 3 місяці тому +1

    Haven't watched, but they are gonna bring up trick room I am guessing.

  • @kyra4942
    @kyra4942 3 місяці тому +1

    im surprised you didnt mention focus punch

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 3 місяці тому

    Although always niche, I’ve loved trying singles trick room, nearly every gen for bulky offence.

  • @deadriccow
    @deadriccow 3 місяці тому

    Also another point of being slower is in abilities procing, an example is the weather war and the slower mon for their ability to set off second so Kyogre would set rain over Groudon but it eventually came down to people bringing level 49 Groudons in order to under speed level 50 Kyogre just to set sun over the rain

  • @codemonkies
    @codemonkies 3 місяці тому

    Going second is an absolute god-send in the case where you team-build somewhat defensively pike i do, where tanks and bulky sweepers are vastly favored over pure sweepers

  • @casualcraftman1599
    @casualcraftman1599 3 місяці тому +1

    Why hazards are everything The Ferrothorn Theorem.

  • @Simontheking-e7i
    @Simontheking-e7i 3 місяці тому

    A theorem about nerfs and buffs would be great.

  • @supernova9014
    @supernova9014 3 місяці тому

    Stall Sableye: At last, my time has come! Now my Paybacks and Metal Bursts will be feared across the tiers!

  • @GundamDragonLord
    @GundamDragonLord 3 місяці тому

    It's amazing that you left out the most basic strategy where Speed isn't everything. That is the Move Dig. A geodude will out dig a Charmander in Pokemon Stadium, for example.

  • @the_archwizard1083
    @the_archwizard1083 3 місяці тому

    I'm surprised you didnt mention HIGH priority moves, one of the first lessons I learned and give is how a slow ratata can be better. Quick attack is just a weak move on the faster ratata but on the slower one it's a chance to move twice essentially. If you manage to pick up a ko this way the opponent's switch in even if faster has to manage the threat of High priority, regular priority or switch options.

  • @umbreth2240
    @umbreth2240 3 місяці тому

    The thumbnail goes crazy

  • @FaeQueenCory
    @FaeQueenCory 3 місяці тому

    Milotic with Mirror Coat is some harsh and fun tech.

  • @tacosunbirth
    @tacosunbirth 3 місяці тому

    That thumbnail art is amazing

  • @CiabanItReal
    @CiabanItReal 3 місяці тому

    Man rapid spins increasing speed would have made those fortress battles hilarious.

  • @Jovials_Series
    @Jovials_Series 3 місяці тому

    Im a simple man, I see someone from the slow family, i click. I love them