Fixing a Leaking Gutter - Proper Job, No Mastic!
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Don't let leaking gutter joints ruin your home!
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Here are some of the problems which come with having leaking gutter joints.
1. Water damage: Leaking gutter joints can lead to water damage in the roof and walls of the building. This can cause rot, mold, and mildew growth, as well as structural damage.
2. Foundation damage: Leaking water can seep into the foundation of the building, causing erosion and cracking of the foundation. This can result in costly repairs.
3. Soil erosion: If the water from the leaking gutter joint is not properly directed away from the foundation, it can cause soil erosion, leading to costly repairs.
4. Insect infestation: Leaking water can attract insects, such as mosquitoes and other pests.
5. Rust: If the gutter is made of metal, the water can cause rusting, which can weaken the structure of the gutter and lead to expensive repairs.
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At least you had a nice easy half round union! Nothing worse than turning up to a job to find it's some obscure osma stormline gutter that's been discontinued!! Good video!
Yup, my own gutter has an obscure gutter, I couldn’t find a replacement for the leaking joint.
Good to see you fanny around with this, as these simple jobs quite often turn out to be a PITA!
Now you are not taking about greek inspired breads now are you.
I had to do similar on the guttering on our house. I have a battery dremel with abrasive sanding drums - much easier to re-profile the gutter edge to get it to clip in. Less likely to remove chunks of finger than using a knife.
Folk who might have a broken bit of cast iron gutter and replace the whole lot with plastic will always regret it. The cast iron on my house are over 60 yr old, lock down came in handy for taking the lot down and gave it the full works and the facias and soffits, now looks A1
Hi Roger, I was quite fun for me to watch you trying to deal with such typical guttering problems. For the first twenty years of my working life this sort of long-term issue was much less common, that Marley gutter system with the notches was probably effective in controlling gutter creep which now seems to be the most common maintenance issue. I am still fascinated by the way it always goes the same way, separating the joints, on some smaller jobs I have had to resort to putting small stainless steel screws in each side of the joints so that the whole section has to move and even then it just pulls away from the outlet!.
Cheers, Richard.
As a 70 year old home owner it is really great to understand why we have so many problems with plastic gutters. it does not help that the concreate tiles discharge a grainy sludge into the gutters. How I miss kent peg tiles, and cast iron gutters.
Good repair Roger. Should have mentioned that cleaning the gutter prior is essential and maybe a bit of silicone grease on the seals.
Yes, i put silicon grease on mine and it made a really good seal
Another superb video on preventative maintenance. It's always better to do things In advance rather than fixing the problem after.👍👍.
gotta leave an earner for the boys tho'
Did mine last autumn - square brown stuff that had faded and was leaking. I had tried mastic stuff in the past but never lasted long. Replaced all fittings and wiped channelling down with WD 40 to get rid of the fading. Now looks spot on.
Buenos Notches Roger. Some of the guttering on the continent puts ours to shame. Some of it is a real work of art.
I was going to say that is a flipping big step ladder; then I saw the balcony, haha!
Well done bud, thanks for all the tips and tutorials. Cheers
I'm in the US repairing an alumin(i)um gutter. This specific video doesn't apply. But you just earned a subscriber, sir. Thank you for the quality, straight-to-the-point content. I look forward to seeing more from you.
Thanks for the subscription and I hope you enjoy more of our videos.
Heard you on radio 2 the other day, then GB news, now your up yonder fixing gutters 👏🏻
Too much exposure, I am going underground next.
@@SkillBuilder 😂😂😂
Great, interesting video, full of experience, common sense and technique. Thank you for your wisdom and clear information.
good video again roger ! best way to stop guttering sliding around in different tempretures is to put a screw at a high level in the guttering ! halfway between the 90 degree bend and the gutter joint !
Hi Mark
I have done that a few times. I could have mentioned it. I feel another video coming on
thank you and keep up the good work on your channel !@@SkillBuilder
Thanks. I'll try that on some internal 90⁰ bends that keep leaking no matter what I do - they get full blast of sun and cold winds while others are OK as in more sheltered spots
the guttering moves when the sun comes on it so for that reason put a screw at high level into the guttering either side of the bend about a metre either side ! if it still leaks after that theres an issue with the bend so put sealant into the bends joint !@@cuebj
My house in Germany has zinc guttering. Don't skimp on anything that protects your property from water
That is great, I have Lindab zinc on my house
Zinc or copper here in France.. Plastic gutters occasionally for a garden shed..
Zinc Gutters are fantastic, Joints are soldred not mastic. Longlife and look proper.
Yes but u make unreliable cars
@@toy838 That's why I drive a Dacia
Nice one Rog, amazing the damage they can do if not attended to.
Perfect timing as I have this exact issue, that has ended up bring damp through to the interior wall, which I though was down to a poorly fitted kitchen, by the previous owner, which I am replacing. The gutter was completely out of the joint as over time it has shifted along. I have bought new joints and a length of guttering as I need some for another job on my garage. So I'll patch in a new section as I want to change where the down pipe comes from to allow us to fit a large water butt to be feed by it.
What I've found on our guttering was that it was leaking behind the seal along a tiny ridge left by the moulding process. If the bracket is intact you can clean it up and mastic underneath the seal. I guess that also allows for the joint to continue to move. If they are designed to move then maybe the seal should be greased as well!
I've wondered about greasing the seal. Is that a thing? What would one use?
As a retired builder, there was a rush 20 years ago for folk to change their old iron guttering out for PVC and a rash of fly by night companies sprang up. I spent more time fixing atrocious installations usually the outlet was set as the highest point on the run!.
Great video tips, Thanks for making it. Helped me enormously. Wish you well.
I have some SS 304 square guttering here in Thailand. Many of the 'soldered' joints leak. Waste of time trying mastics and sealants as the expansion of the metal in the daily heat and sun just 'separates' any repair attempted. It cools at night and heats by day--quite a dramatic temperature change!
Many thanks - learning a lot from your videos whilst also being reminded of old experiences.
Yes the UK has so many very poor ideas that need eliminated... Plastic guttering is just one..
Doors that are screwed to hinges rather than doors that drop down onto fixed pins...
Maintenance is so much easier..
Windows that open outwards rather than inwards.. Dangerous and difficult to clean..
Lack of shutters and when they exist (on old buildings) the shutters are on the inside so the windows are not protected...
Electrical wiring just draped around.. In Europe it's in plastic conduit to protect from biting rodents and it also helps avoid drilling into wires...
And generally poor housing standards..
Currently doing my gutters, hence why im here! I broke a few clips removing my gutter, so i got the wifes hairdryer out and put it on the high setting and have broke no more 👍
Anyone know where you can get a length of just the seals? Would be great to have spares.
Hi Charlie
That is a great idea. As for the seals I find that 25 % of the brackets on the shelf are missing one or more seals so I guess that is where a lot of people go for their spare seals.
It would be great if you could pick up the seals but I geuss they want to sell brackets. It the past I have used neoprenet pipe insulation cut into strips.
4:30 - that corner dripping behind you is making me laugh, i think it would be time to replace the lot if that were my house :) I've done it once here and it was great to have an all new system, guttering is not expensive
The corner had dropped, it was easy enough to fix.
Nice to hear your commentary on GB News, great job Roger.
Thank you kindly
I had an annoying drip from a joint and could just see some moss in the joint, I took it apart gave it all a good clean and the rubber seal looked ok, so put it back and is fine, no more leak..😊
Mad you released this video yesterday because we had to do the same thing pretty much the gutter slipped over time away from the union
You used to be able to buy new joint seals. Not available at any drainage supplies in the UK anymore. You can still get seals off Amazon.
There are some really good gutter systems out there such as Bret Martin and also the cast Aluminium stuff works just like the old cast iron.
Unfortunately most of these good quality systems are not affordable to most home owners in the UK. They have to settle for the economy stuff that the market is flooded with.
Great solution.
For pvc guttering.
Tar, done it now with your help thanks very much.
The designers of these gutter fittings should be made to go up ladders on a freezing wet day and try to replace a joint like you did. If they were forced to do so maybe we'd get some better-designed brackets! Just why are the screw holes always almost inaccessible? Why do you need to notch them (thereby eliminating the one feature mentioned by our man Skill Builder - and that is the ability of the gutters to shift under expansion)? The gutters should be deeper too and the downpipes larger diameter because the current standard downpipe diameter is perfect for leaves to jam them up. The brackets should be made with a stiff ABS or metal backing so the darned things can be fixed to the facia from below the gutter. Like so many things for building the products are designed for actually building, not maintenance. (Guess which job I've recently done!)
Yes, spring rains are on the way, thanks for the reminder - it is now on my list of "do right away" stuff - I do love your videos, always with real value...thanks!
As opposed to summer, autumn and winter rains?
@@raftonpounder6696 Well, we have dry seasons here in Ukraine's south.
Tip _in cold weather put fittings in very hot water for several minutes.
Thank you. Hope you sorted the drip behind you on the last shot! 😮
Of course I did
Marley made the gutters you had to notch, had a notching tool back in the day.
They still have it but it is £48.00
Use Floplas Unions( for half round). The fitting is slightly wider than the average, 1"+, so makes life easier...
Nothing nicer on a cold day especially when they snap in great on your fingers
Screwing that joiner on is not easy without removing the gutter away either off or pulling apart which can be difficult. Would have liked to see him do that but at least it showed me that I had done mine wrong! (typical bodger) when butting up to the rubber cushions rather than over them to make the gutter ends reach each other.
We do have plastic gutters here (we call them eaves-troughs) ... actually they are mostly polyvinyl chloride (vinyl). Usually the middle run splice is overlapped, and a sealant is applied to stop leaks (We don't have those plastic clips, and rubber gaskets.) Most of the fittings use a sealant too. The summer is hot and the winter is cold. I've seen them in place for 20 years, and not leak.
The customary eaves-troughs here are aluminum. The overlapped joints, and all the fittings, are held together with crimps, screws, or pop-rivets. All the water tightness is done using caulking (or sealants: there are several different kinds.) I've seen that system last for 30 years, and not leak.
@@willthecat3861 I think maybe in the UK it went straight from cast iron guttering 100 years ago to plastic guttering today. One of the issues maybe is that there is a lot of variation in the types of houses with a lot of custom arrangements, this makes installing, repairing or replacing cast iron very expensive as like you have said, it needs cutting, bolting and sealing. The old cast iron is also very heavy and puts a lot of strain on the mounts, but it does look very nice though and you can buy plastic guttering that looks like the cast iron. From memory it is many many more times expensive than the standard plastic guttering like the Hunter stuff that Roger used here.
Floplast have a longer insertion length for the gutter than Polypipe. They stay in better when the sun gets on them.
My neighbor had one gutter fail do to snow. The repair person said that was the one piece out of all his gutters that was plastic. Everything else was aluminum.
Zinc Gutters are fantastic, Joints are soldred not mastic. Longlife and look proper.
i think its Marley with the cut outs especially i saw it on the deepflow version where the gutters have the notches.
Yes that notching tool is about £45.00. I knew there was a reason you never see it now
I was going to say the same thing.
Definitely Marley, I've still got a notching tool somewhere. (That said I found a Rawlplug tool from my apprenticeship).
Nice I do these repairs sometimes come across all sorts
Thank you your videos are very helpful
If I'm confident that the clips can really go over the edge of the gutter I'll spray a tiny amount of silicone lubricant on the gutters to let the clips slide into place and I'll use a pair of pincers to squeeze them on. It's also important to make sure the back of each gutter is pushed up into the bracket slots fully.
The guitter was cold and using the grips on a cold gutter can end up with a broken fitting and a 10 mile round trip for another bracket. In the summer I might have persisted
@@SkillBuilder I agree, it's one of those decisions - how much gutter to whittle away and how much pressure to apply. We lie awake at night thinking about these things ... not. 😄
It's even worse when it's at the top of the house rather let it leak a bit lol, great video quality btw
Thanks 👍
I’d love to be able to replace my leaking plastic joint piece, as you have done, but I can’t get the old one off! We had new guttering, fascias and barge boards etc fitted about ten years ago, and the installers fitted some heavy-duty flashing under the tiles and into half of the gutter; I just can’t move any of the flashing, or see any way of removing/replacing the joint. Any suggestions would be appreciated…..
That's a good tip shaving a little off to get it to click in
Yep! Plastic gutters are crap! But it's what we have. The seals cost more than the fitting. Doesn't make sense. But Hey! this is Britain. Not much makes sense these days.
I’ve been fitting gutters for years the Marley notch system was fantastic why they stopped it is beyond me. I guess there’s more money in people thinking they need to buy more fittings.
I think it is still on the Deepflow but the tool is £45.00
Had a hell of a time trying to do this recently because the bracket just wouldn't quite fit...wish I thought of notching it before I broke the little tabs...😕..
Mine has leaked for some years now. The joint is good but the gutter slides out in the hot weather, I've fixed it once but it has slid out once again. The joint is positioned right over the centre of my conservatory so I can't get to it, what a crazy place to put it. The house roof has a high pitch and accessing it from there is risky so nobody wants to fix it. You have a joint that was too tight here, I had the opposite where it was too slack, both Polypipe too and I had to double up on the seal but it still leaks a little, they are an absolute pain.
How do you fix an aluminium seamless gutter end cap?
I tried removing the gutter adhesive and eventually there were holes in my gutter around and past the backet area. Can I cut a section of an unused gutter and attach that, and if so, how?
Hi I'm that Roger Busy Bee off that Skill Builder Channel wot you all like and today I'm gonna show you all how to fix a good joint.
Hi Roger that corner 90 degree angle behind you was leaking as well lol
Judi
It was overflowing because we filled the gutter with a hose pipe to show the leak. The corner bracket just needed to be raised and that was done after the video.
HI. I live in the Philippines now, and 90% of our gutters are either aluminium, or stainless steel. I was actually thinking about changing mine to plastic, simply because of the problem with the joints. How are metal gutters usually joined in U.K. or Europe?
what happened to good old cast iron gutters
How many times do you see a gutter with the start up tight to the under side of the tiles and the other end lower then the facias , even if you put a gutter in level theres a hole at one end the water will find it
I usually fit them level because it looks better and catches the water before it blows down the back
Such a PITA to deal with, unfortunately on my house one of the lengths was cut too short, so unless I can find a slightly bigger joining section, I'll have to replace the whole run. Bloody annoying
the gutters have got tobe fit correct in the first place too fix a leak, if not i don't matter what you use you'll never seal them
Hi Roger, The corner of the gutter, behind you at the end of the video, is sitting too low. You can see water dripping over the top of the corner joint.
Is that the next vid? :)
UK has a special relationship with PVC... same with doors and windows, on the continent everyone uses wood/steel, I bet there is a cabal of MPs with some special interest in PVC!!!😂
I don't think this is a UK thing...as there are plenty of PVC doors and windows where I live in continental Europe.
Love the hunter gear shame selco have replaced it with floplast!
I didn't know that. The only option now is Wickes
If you're shaving the gutter you have the wrong joint any gutter fitting needs to be tight
It is tight but not so tight that it breaks the clips
Gutter nicely leaking at the corner gutter after you fixed the middle join - fix one problem and create another!!
That corner was just a broken bracket causing it to sag. It is no longer sagging
I think you omitted to use the special lubricant on the seal. That allows for expansion without disturbing the seal and also prevents the migration of the gutter towards one end. Best clean out the dirt beforehand as well to stop the seal getting dirty marring its sealing.
4:23 That fall looks a bit dodgy also? All the brackets seem to be on the same spot on the fascia? The one on the far right looks far too low and is overflowing (can so it dripping)?
A lot of people fit gutters level these days. You need more outlets but it works well
@@SkillBuilder There is a pool of water over your right shoulder (seen at 0:30). Seems like it was there when you started and when you finished. I would consider that a fault rather than a feature. But I guess some people might like a bird bath on their roof. Could do with fixing the drip leak at least. It’s going to drip for days after a rainfall
I have aluminium square type gutters and my house is semi detached. Next door have had replacement half round gutters fitted and the joint leaks. I've complained to them about it leaking on the joint. The company have been back twice to fix and it still leaks. I'm going to have a go myself, any ideas ?.
Why do we use these bluddy gutters? Wouldn't it be more sensible to spray it out back in to the garden or surroundings? After all, the rain falls all over the place!
Thanks Roger! So are those marks there to prevent the gutter moving too far and leaking? I always thought that was the mark to make sure it seals properly, but I have one gutter that moves and leaks every year
No the marks won't stop it creeping. It is just the expansion allowance
@@SkillBuilder thanks Roger
Great video Roger, thank you. Now can you do another for a leaking gutter over a glass conservatory roof (that slopes away from the gutter), please? LOL
I love jobs like that. I am a rock climber so dangling off a rope is my thing
@@SkillBuilder LOL - I also have a worse leak from an internal corner clip, however, this one is above the conservatory roof where it slopes down toward the corner. I've been told it should be possible to lay a sheet of OSB across the glazing bars as a platform for a ladder. Does this sound feasible?
@@akaWooders Had this problem at my previous house. The 'official' way to do it is to construct a scaffold tower either side of the conservatory then another scaffold section to span between them above the conservatory roof. Couldn't do that as conservatory was up against property boundary and neighbour had a shed on the other side of the wall. Also considered having scaffold up the front of the conservatory, then across the conservatory roof to rest on the upstairs windowsills. Eventually found a property maintenance guy who was, shall we say, practical and sensible, rather than H&S obsessed, who boarded across the conservatory roof, then needed only a small stepladder to reach the gutters. Had a mate with him to help.
@@stuartc2962 Thank you for your reply, it's good to know that it can be done. You won't be surprised to hear that the guy who told me about the possibility of boarding across the glazing bars was a property maintenance man. He did offer to include this job in the price of replacing two lengths of bonnet hips on the front of the house, but he's yet to come up with the right colour reclaims so far. Meanwhile the drip, drip, drip is driving me mad and making me want to have a go myself. Cheers.
@@akaWooders With the maddening drip, drip, drip, I had a sheet of ply that I placed between the glazing bars beneath the drip (I pushed it up from the downhill gutter side of the roof using a broom). Deadened the sound of the drip as it wasn't dripping direct onto the polycarb roof. Doesn't help of course if there is a little bit of wind that blows the drip 'off course'. Something like a big old towel held down with some wood might help as well as a temporary measure. ;-)
Watching this as our gutter fell away from our house today in the bad weather. Our neighbour had a gutter replacement... would you believe they joined their gutter with ours using sealant.
Actually that is often the only way to make the joint because the gutters are often very different.
@@SkillBuilder Oh that's good to know! As a content writer I often link to your videos when writing construction related topics, so thanks for the reply! 🙂
Brilliant
New gutter a union mate
Fiiting did not help. What else?
Poor design them brackets, you should be able to have it positioned and assembled then be able to fix it.
I have some old aluminum guttering at the back of the old part of the house and it is full of holes, no idea what is rotting the guttering, its being ripped out this year for the building work so I just keep dabbing plastic padding in the holes for now. Maybe acid rain is causing a reaction 🤔
Is there any galvanised metal in contact with the aluminium ? Zink rots aluminium out
@@hansmikkelsen No, but I didn't know that, 👍
Plug it with the Pimlico plumber.😉
👍👍👍Thank you
Another thing I see when gutters are put up is the excess spacing between each holding brackets…..Why? it’s not as though they’re expensive!
Yes I always go for 900mm spacings
Having watched the video I can see why people are using mastic.
Just use single piece aluminium gutters.
I thought this was a video on how to stop leaking gut.
Lol at thumb!
Australian houses have mostly metal, older houses have copper
We have people over here who would have those copper gutters off in the blink of an eye. They are recycling enthusiasts.
It’s nearly always because it hasn’t been fitted properly, the lengths cut too short, & long screws in the downpipes & elbows..🤦♂️
Shame you didn't show the ladderwork ...lol... the gutter is the easy bit ... getting up safely is open to negotiation, 🙄. I had openreach around the other day...quite impressive , the system they use, but ..they only need to be at one spot to get the fibre line in . Failing that , a Michelin man suit . Lol
We have a good video on Ladder Safety. I should have mentioned it.
The problem with plastic gutters a lot on the market are of terrible quality .and the rubbers are cheap it's the manufacturer cutting corners on the plastic they use . Try and use good quality gutter products
Most people are going to come à cropper trying to go up a ladder at these heights.. Not saying it can't be done but there are so many that will fail - or should I say 'fall'.... ☠️
You didn’t put a screw in the new gutter joint it’ll for sure drop at some stage
You didn't watch the video. I explained what was going on there and why I fit it and then mark the screw position.
There are plenty of plastic gutters where I live in continental Europe so I think that statement of yours may be incorrect.
Every statement I make is there to be challenged. I don't see plastic gutters on the continent but if they are there then I am corrected.
The corner bracket to your right was too low it needed lifting to make it flow instead of holding water and it running over the top as in your video
It would be much easier if they fitted gutters much lower down on the building - it is a pain in the arse working from a ladder.🤔
Proper job 🤙🏽🧱👍🏼
It had to happen one day
This isn't a ladder job for a house, is it?
For me it is a ladder job but for some people they are best getting somebody else to do it.
Takeaway:- plastic gutters are a nuisance, use metal gutters.
Before you watch this, please be aware it'll be 4 minutes and 40 seconds of your life you'll never get back...
David
I am here to tell you that you won't get any of it back, that is not the way it works.