The Real Reason 1 Million People Will Travel To Mars!
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- If we're going to build a colony of a million people on Mars.. we're going to have to incentivize these people to move planets and that could mean something like land ownership. So today we're going to explore how owning land on Mars would work and what a Mars colony might look like in the future.
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Colonizing Mars is not 'Interstellar' real estate. That would be colonizing Alpha Centauri A/B.
Mmmk
It wasn't meant literally I'm sure.
Or proxima cen b
I wish I could see this in my life time 🥲
@@mateeeoooesc r u talking about mars colonization of Alpha Cen colonization?
@@U.K.N Anything past our solar system I guess, but even at my age I don’t think i’ll see anything other than mars colonization.
I just want to see the culture grow. Like Martians developing their own architecture, music, maybe even language over a period of 5-10 generations
maybe they will speak "Marsperanto" :o
same language is humans going there
@@IvanPlayStation4LiFe language can evolve and change over time
After 10 generations I think people there will evolve. They wont be able to visit Earth as they may experience gravity problem.
@@theknowledgeguy4948 yes languages evolve but it takes a very long time and from studies I've seen it actually takes longer the smaller the population is. Maybe if it's combined with another language but regardless they will probably keep their native tongue to keep in touch with who ever sent them.
It's going to be interesting to see how long before a Mars colony would declare independence. In the beginning companies and government are going to want to exert a lot of control to make sure they get their ROI. I suppose a U.S. colony would have U.S. laws, but at what point do Martian's say "hey guys, we need to make our own rules." I would suppose the first settlers probably won't be homesteaders as much as miners. An acre of random land on Mars is pretty useless (what can you really do with it?) but if a family could say stake a claim to a chunk of land with a water or precious metal deposit then you could have a little family minng operation. It's complicated too where in the U.S. if your homestead failed you could move, that's going to be much harder to do on Mars, and people that are born and raised on Mars, acclimated to the planet, won't be able to return to Earth. So would you have an underclass of Martians doing menial jobs (cleaning the Martian Sewers, just because they don't have a good source of income,) I would suspect too you'd have to be careful bout the income inequality, how much would a geologist get paid, vs. a barista at the first Martian Starbucks? it's going to be expensive to live on Mars. What happens when after a generation or two when you have a "slacker?" someone that isn't particularly smart or talented, isn't really motivated? Can you imagine the pressure on that first generation, when EVERYONE's parents are PHDs and scientists, and you're just making average grades in school. There's going to have to be some sort of safety net, I mean you can't really have homeless people on Mars. Maybe a guaranteed income, with public housing? In the end I"m not sure any of our Earth models are going to fit the unique situation on Mars, but it will be interesting to see how it develops. My guess is that within a few generation Mar's cutlure and society will be wildly difference than anything on Earth.
I doubt people will ever want to permanently inhabit a planet with such low gravity. Mars is for robots. If humans ever do significant stays/work on the surface, it will be for movies, tourism, and brief contract work.
"Martians" won't be citizens of Mars. They will be temporary visitors. Citizens of Earth, and employees of Earth corporations whose owners will represent the only real control or use of Mars.
So true about Earth models, they just wouldn't work but as you say it will be an interesting time for those who step up to the challenge.
Musk has some plans of his own. For starters law making is counter intuitive and removing an irrelevant law is too difficult in America. The change would be half as many votes needed to make a can remove it in mars.
And much like the school he’s made here around how he teaches his kids would be more pick and choose instead of linear. I personally work on “education gameification” where learning is more intuitive and I think technologies like that will be utilized in a more futuristic Mars society
If we are going to apply earthly history to a hypothetical Mars, political independence is likely to be a result of rivalry’s on Earth (Latin American independence can be put down to Spain getting conquered by France, American independence also to France etc.) Applying this to space suggests that Space independence would happen in the aftermath of a conflict on earth, not an Earth vs. Space thing.
It will probably come after a catastrophe / industrial human rights situation. It'll result from time delay in communications, and an overreliance on earth-bound HQ's vs. on-the-ground Martian managers. It will also be spurred on by the inevitable arrival of cultural colonists who start carving out a "martian culture", incorporating memes etc. that only daily folks will get.
You want cheap desert land, you can always buy a plot in rural New Mexico. You won’t even need a pressure suit or a radiation shelter.
Interesting concept. And yes, I agree that some motivation will probably be needed to get folks to go live on Mars.
Unfortunately, it seems that Mars is likely to be even more hostile than Antarctica. Nothing grows, it's even colder, & you can't even breath.
Maybe those who want to harvest water/ice, or import enough solar panels to provide electricity, or perhaps setup an oxygen station would want to start entrepreneurial enterprises. And workers will always be useful, to build & repair things.
It seems that living long periods in lower gravity could well affect the body pretty drastically, so folks either won't want to stay very long, or perhaps they'll just stay permanently. But I suspect they'll have to be paid pretty well to make the trip, despite the appeal of adventure. We live on a sailing catamaran (currently in the Philippines) & we find plenty of adventure right here on Earth.
@Pickles I know fish need gravity to grow, but perhaps this is a case where using bio reactors to grow plants and animals becomes a viable solution.
Living on Mars is like living on the Earth's worst hell hole by a factor of 100. Pure hell
First off, please make more content like this, the comments alone are fascinating and the idea that mars is unviable as a colonization target is both untrue and an argument that gets brought up over and over.
The reality is that Antarctica is being colonized, slowly. The reason that its not being colonized faster is that a more comfortable living situation is only a day away by plane. Its a different story when comfortable living is six dangerous months away on a cramped ship. This is very akin to the initial colonization of the Americas (sans the genocide, slavery, and general rudeness). Unlike Antarctica Mars is a remote frontier. Far from being a disadvantage this is probably its greatest strength. Earth powers can only exert so much force on such a distant place. The restrictions on travel back to safety require that those who embrace this challenge become better in every way in order to survive and thrive. It will require greater manufacturing capabilities up front since imports will be wildly expensive and rare (due to the nature of the transfer windows and raw energy of transport). That means that the growth rate will need to be exponential in order to support scaled up scientific activity. Food, energy, replacement parts, and various services and support activities will be required once you hit a population of 100 or more. So each individual will be precious to a Martian colony since they are so difficult to replace. Each Martian child will be an investment in the colonies immediate future. The fragile nature of habitats will mean that violence will be far more costly. which raises peoples willingness to arrive at peaceful solutions to disputes. If basic industry such as agriculture can be established then imports from earth can focus on needed specialty items like medicine and computer chips.
Based on historical examples, the successful colonies should have a wildly beneficial effect on society here on earth. Its like a release valve for the best of humanity to go and be challenged in a far off place so that they stop making trouble here. And indeed only the best and the bravest should go since not all the colonies will thrive or even survive. Its VERY much a high risk high reward way to live but people are at their best under such conditions.
JEEZ amazing speech and all, very interesting to read
In other words, a great place to send our liberals!
As we see in the show The Expanse, After enough people move to Mars, they will declare themselves free from Earth and become self sufficient. Then things will get weird.
Also, ala The Expanse, almost every semi inhabitable planet, moon or asteroid was occupied. Ceres, Phoebe, Eros etc.
@@michaellerner3764 Yep, but that’s going to take 200 years.
Grow up
Antarctica has all the water you would need, is vastly easier to get to and from, and is generally far more hospitable than Mars, yet we don't see vast numbers of people setting up homesteads on Antarctica. The home base would be much less complicated than would be required on Mars, yet Antarctica only has a couple thousand people.
Nobody can claim Antartica. UNLESS they are there for scientific research. As of what I know, only governement from other countries and scientists can live in Antartica. I dont know though I could be wrong.
Because we are not allowed to do that in Antarctica.
@@missbstuurman How many people have been marched off of Antarctica and handcuffs because they started building a settlement?
@@LyricVideos4U no one has tried
@@AlexFoster2291 Hahaha i like you🤣🤣. But still who wants to live in Antarctica 🤣it's not as interesting as Mars.
In an interview, many years ago, Isaac Asimov's was asked why his stories never contemplated O'Neal cylinders and other space habitats. His immediate response was "Because I was a planetary chauvenist." As Neil deGrasse Tyson notes, after more than a century of visiting and exploring, why are there no permanent residents in Antarctica? At least in Antarctica, you have breathable air, water and at most you're only a week or 2 from civilization.
So, colonizing Mars seems problematic at best. At .01 bar, there is no atmosphere, the soil is poisonous, the temperature is beyond frigid and the radiation is lethal. Oh, we also have no clue on the long term effects of living permanently in 1/3 g gravity.
Hopeless? Absolutely not. We simply have to confront our planetary chauvanism. We use the Moon and Mars and the asteroids for raw materials and then learn to build our own worlds in O'Neal cylinders or similar structures. These are necessarily closed ecologies to be viable, but so are Mars colonies.
Superheavy and Starship are critical first step technology to even contemplate any further ventures
Let's figure out how to live off Earth before we start taking on planetary colonies. There's a lot to learn
I agree that O'Neal cylinders are the end all be all of colonization. However, unless you build around a rich asteroid or Jovian moon your going to have material issues. O'Neal cylinders require either heavy logistics or a very carful balance of restrictions and recycling. Mars is a wonderful opportunity because it has all of the raw elements required for both life and a growing civilization. This includes Nitrogen and precious phosphorus (the limiting factor of life). A moon colony or moon based O'Neal cylinder for example will still have to import all of its Nitrogen, Carbon, and Phosphorous from earth. Which will always be expensive no matter how successful starship is. I.E. the moon is utterly incapable of generating biomass alone. I've honestly never understood the reasoning behind the idea of cislunar colonization. We need to move outward boldly into the night.
There are political reasons why Antarctica has not been settled.
@@tommyweiss3886 Understood, however the tech needed to survive on Mars is almost identical to that needed on the Moon. Trading perchlorate dust for lunar dust is mostly an even exchange as is 1/3 g vs. 1/6g. But 3 days vs 2 years heavily favors Cic lunar space. Finally Mars has no organically, it has carbon, nitrogen etc, but nothing capable of sustaining agriculture so that is another even exchange. We’ll eventually play seriously on Mars, but there are a LOT of hurdles to leap past first. Think of it as 1 iteration every 2 years versus constant iteration.
@@richardrigling4906 Thanks for replying, Its always good to hear opinions from like minded folk.
I agree, on everything except the perchlorate issue. Perchlorate is actually not nearly as big of an issue as moon dust. The reason is that its a chemical issue. Which We need to keep away from people but not a huge issue to industry. Its actually a decent source of O2. Moon dust is a hazard to equipment and people due to its physical properties (Just imagine that sharp dust around a vehicle).
Not saying that we cant deal with it. But oof, Id rather be an engineer on Mars than the moon.
Great video! The viability of the Outer Space Treaty going forward is going to be a really tricky issue to navigate; hopefully international cooperation can bring about a system that makes permanent settlement viable, treats citizens from all parts of Earth equitably, and protects scientific endeavour on Mars and elsewhere.
Yo space jim what's up
@@ploperdung Yo! Just the usual - watching space videos 😅
Hey I love your videos bro!! Just wondering if you’d ever do videos covering the Amazon space race show! For all mankind show!! And talk about the things different from irl and the show!! And how much we would truly benefit if our timeline took just a couple of the roads they took in the show
How to even be part of that? I myself would gladly go and live there,permanently.Also,that Space Law applies ONLY to countries,not civilians.
Theoretically this is fun to talk about. But getting into a Starship and living on that thing for 8 months of travel time, then living in it over a period of years, with all kinds of unknowns, and complete lack of most things we take for granted is not going to be easy.
Starship I is for astronauts, the type of ship that will actually carry us to Mars will probably be some kind of Aldrin Cycler or the thing they used in the Martian.
Elon says he can get there in 4 months but I get your point :)
People have no idea the reality of living in space. They think it's going to be like Star Wars when the reality is that you will be cooped up in a metal tube for the duration of the mission with a bunch of smelly humans. That alone will require more will power than a human can generate.
I've never heard anything so wet in all my life. We're never colonising dead mars. Nor will we ever Bring it back to life.
No matter what grunts will always be needed!
Mars? Sounds Like a "once in a Livetime" Challenge, Just Bring me there 😁👍
Yes let's change living on our wonderful planet supplying us with air to breath water to drink and food to eat with a freezing airless desert. Great idea!
Same as what it has always cost on new frontiers; free if you develop it.
I’m fairly certain that SpaceX is going to start selling tickets to people that includes a house, but that will likely take a while.
What could possibly go wrong. Says the man while a portal to hell opens up on Mars.
first step land a team of 5 there to poke around sample materials,lnventory materials needed, local if possible, and transportable building mats
The crazy amount of money to get a bottle of liquor on Mars ..
.make your own, do not ship from earth
Long term habitability of Mars will depend on many things. The time it takes to get to Mars would have to be drastically reduced by a propulsion system actively accelerating the vessel and slowing it down . Low gravity on Mars might mean those born there could never return to Earths higher gravity and the high solar radiation would probably mean underground living for everyone. What would be the effect on crops of this higher radiation?
what happens if we have a population of 1k+ people on mars and those people want independence?
Easy, read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".
Since you can't own land on Mars, and since the un says that nations can't hold land on Mars, they can't get independence
Then those thousand+ people are crazy and suicidal as fuck. Any mars colonies in it's early days will heavily depend on earth for everything since mars won't be able to build any of there own stuff early on.
Orbital bombardment should quiet them down
The issue I see with enticing people with land on mars is this; if said land doesn’t have any structures on it then obviously the owners can’t live there. For the owners to live on their Martian land they would have to buy a habitat of some sort which would be very expensive. Thus unless the entity handing out the land also forks out the money to build a habitat and a way to travel around said land to the new land owner, it’s not realistic. In America in the 1800s people could live in their undeveloped land and build a cabin. And then they could walk to town or ride a horse. This doesn’t work on mars obviously
No doubt for the beautiful beach front property
The best thing about earth is that you can take off your space suit at any time and still survive for more than 2 minutes
They'll have to start out with a form of share cropping, like lease to buy, since Everything, from the very air they breath, will be provided for them.
Imagine being inside of a machine or habitat or space suit for the rest of your life or for your entire life if you're born there. No thank you. Never to see a flock of birds or experience a walk in a forest. No beaches or lazy rivers to float down. Probably no pets or other animals too..
I would need enough to have a multi-story underground home that would be full self-sustaining dug up on the side of a cliff but with also a lift to the surface.
This needs an area close to the surface where we have a dome or pyramid like glass structure or plexiglass, which will be above the hydroponics room.
There will be fiber optics to carry day light to lower areas. Surface area directly above the house to be covered in solar panels and wind turbines. (Not the main power source, that will need to be provided by the colony)
Fully integrated water cycle using the hydroponics as part of the water flow and liquid waste processing.
Electronics/Automation floor fully equipped for DIY prototyping and general maintenance of electrical and micro-electronics systems. (Micro-controllers, SOCs, SBCs and assorted general components not only for prototyping but also as spares, at least 3 spares per component used anywhere, storage media must have at least 3 spares for each active HDD/SSD) - Devices replacement to be covered by provided services additionally to living improvement funds.
Server Rack on the electronics room with a decent custom NAS (I'll bring my own thank you)
Fully cabled network infrastructure included
Nice living room with connected kitchen
3 or 4 rooms for sleeping (family + visitors or emergency alternative uses).
This would be my base requirement and would immediately put me as the IT support guy for the area, so simply perfect :)
And hell yes, I want to go! By the way, any girl wanting to join me? Still single and that doesn't work well with the one conservative value I have, family... Although I am indeed quite liberal on the majority of other subjects, that one needs addressing in a classical way.
The treaty says no Nation can claim celestrial bodies, it says nothing about individuals, not claiming association with a particular nation. Basically, If you can get there and can defend it you can own it.
Think of the movie Passengers. Same concept but without faulty life pods or years in travel 😬😜. 6 to 8 months isn't that bad
At the start of the endevour, the more valuable property on Mars will be mining rights. The LAND will have a high value, when either
A) BIG glassy copulas, with magnetic shields to let sun in and radiation keep out, will become economicaly aviable to the martians, (because that would allow movement in "outdoor" environment witouth suits and make farming (and construction) MUCH easier, or
B) Terraforming the Mars. None of us will see the Mars blue and green, but if Mars surface becomes livable (and living), logistics of population transfer from Earth to Mars would become immediatley easier.
As of yet there is no economic case for settling Mars. There's nothing you can do on Mars that you can't do better and cheaper on Earth. Except exploring Mars (which has limited economic value for the Earthlings funding the colony). Including surving a dinosaur killer asteroid. You could build shelters on earth that can survive that kind of impact for a fraction of the cost it would take to create a truly selfsustaining Mars colony.
Casually ignores how all land on Mars is uninhabitable.
I just want a small piece of land of 200 acres so I can grow potatoes And raise Martian cattle
tsr : only 54,000 square kms r livable land
me : decent , thats about 5 times as big as my country
nice
Having read the title I was about to ask: Dept?
Everything depends on what happens with the Moon. First we're gonna put a space station in orbit around the Moon and use that to go back and forth to the Moon's surface, and then perhaps they'll start making bases down there. If that all goes well, then basically we'll just replicate that process on Mars. However, Mars is literally a thousand times further out than the Moon is, so that in and of itself will be a bit problematic.
Which form of building is the most structural sound of any kind built would it be a long box or a round building? Well guess what the round building is actually much better and stronger than any box shaped building as they have no square sides..
If they're serious about Mars, there going to need to address the issue of junking up the pristine space around the planet. Golden opportunity (I would think) to enforce early on some sort of a clutter free Martian space initiative. Got the idea cuz it hit me after watching countless related vid's that no one addresses this issue. With current tech were gonna be depositing space junk of some sort in this endeavor can't be helped I fear...yet nobody talks about this. We humans are messy to be sure...we'll need to get a handle on this if were trying to move forward.
Imho sisnce were striving to be a space faring civilization then I think we need to also consider being good cosmic stewards as well. Just a thought. Thank you everyone for your time.
It’s not interstellar.
As for Martian real estate, like Antarctica it’s all controlled by governments.
As for Mars colonization, it won’t happen for at least 100 years. A Moon base and colony will be the next step for many reasons.
A Moon colony will start to emerge, but a Mars colony is the thing that creates flashy headlines. What will probably happen is a lunar base will start to form as more and more research look into getting into Mars.
Also, I think companies will be able to buy and sell Martian land as the research base starts to expand.
@@KRYMauL ; agreed about the headlines for anything about Mars.
Still getting to the Moon is so much easier in so many ways, that is where human settlement on a planetary body will happen first.
Eventually humanity will live on Mars but the obstacles to getting their safely and staying alive are so huge that it is many decades away.
@@bb1111116 Well the getting there safely part will happen within the next couple of decades especially if Russia starts thinking about going to Mars again.
@@KRYMauL ; According to NASA, a one-way trip to Mars would take about nine months.
New rockets might cut that time to 6 months but this has astronauts being weightless for months and being hit by radiation during that time.
Astronauts who have returned to earth after being on the international Space Station for 6 months are very weak and need help walking.
But on Mars astronauts will need to work quickly to survive.
* So, the trip to Mars itself is very dangerous.
This is one reason why a Moon base will be established first.
@@bb1111116 A base will definitely be established first, but I think we’ll eventually get a real Aldrin Cycler that help with the weightlessness problem.
One decent sized crater over an aquifer and the materials to build a dome over it would do me…
I'd say about 10,000 acres ought to do it quite nicely!
Hello i love your videos but some videos like this one where u talk about How it cod be i wood like to have more like facts videos they Are really good
Yes I was thinking about selling plots on the moon. Yes how is that done?
Intresting thought, the amount of km2 isn't so much of an issue when you don't talk about infrastructure... Think railroad towns.
Without air and food as an given, i find it really hard to have an plan that incluses everything needed
I was under the impression that this was Musk’s idea. Basically start with researchers, then get entrepreneurs (like developers), then get the general population.
I wouldn’t be surprised if SpaceX became a real estate company as that’s basically what they already do.
Easy enough, map the planet into m^2 coordinates. First people put in large land claim on the planet. After that it becomes a resale issue. We have plenty of experience with that.
This is about as connected to phenomenal reality as making a video speculating on what you could do with the profits from a Unicorn farm.
Horribly untrue.
Exactly!
Wow
If we successfully colonize Mars, would we reach the type I civilization on the Kardashev Scale?
Perhaps field of dreams model as acres would be basically useless.... if you build they will come. ???? Empty buildings with atmosphere???? Spaces in tunnels???? People will come to occupy their new home and fill it with machines, food, etc..
🤣 30 Acres with a guarantee of water, oxygen, hydroponics gardens and backup supplies 🤔 large subterranean habitats, small
Nuclear-powered generator and solar panel system as backup, don't forget the 3D printer and electric vehicle 🤣
The great majority of people in Antarctica are the support crews. They far outnumber researchers.
The Antarctic Treaty prohibits any activities that might make settlement in Antarctica worthwhile, so a big part of the reason for a lack of settlements there is political.
Although the various national programs restrict how long personnel can stay in Antarctica at one stretch, many personnel return year after year for ten years or more.
McMurdo Sound is the name of the body of water. The settlement is called McMurdo Station - and New Zealand's Scott Base is just two miles away, both on Ross Island.
Summer population at McMurdo tops out at about 1250 personnel.
Although in theory the Antarctic Treaty and the Outer Space Treaty have similar provisions, in practice the prohibition of mining and other commercial activity in Antarctica makes it impossible to get a start to human settlements there. Although there is nothing in law that would prevent individuals from renouncing their citizenship and establishing a settlement there, it's just not practicable to get started without significant inputs from countries that have signed the treaty - many of which have their own laws restricting what their citizens can do in Antarctica. There are far fewer restrictions on outer space, however - merely a requirement that none of the signatory nations can conduct _national_ operations in space. This would mean that any colony would pretty much have to be self-governing right from the beginning.
The Homesteading Act was a rather late addition to American law, only coming about after the United States had significant settlements all the way from the Atlantic to the Pacific oceans. In other words, the Homesteading Act was just for infill. The early settlements involved huge land grants to wealthy proprietors who could then do whatever was necessary to entice colonists to go and settle the land. This happened in different ways in different colonies. One that I read a little about was the early settlement of Georgia, where colonists received land grants, whether purchased or given, that included both a small city plot in Savannah and a larger country plot outside the city. I imagine that settlement on Mars would require something similar, with most people living in a few large settlements with those who want them having access to larger plots outside the city center, with certain extractive industries requiring very large plots of land indeed - all purchased from the company settling an area to raise funds for governance and large scale projects to benefit everyone.
We don't even know yet if human children can be born and grow up under Martian gravity.
I can tell you Antarctica is x10 times more habitable than the equator of Mars.
We should colonize Antarctica first then the Sahara desert
@@bronzebuilder2115 hmm ok 👍 , but hottest place on earth is Lut desert, not Sahara
Well,
It doesn't really matter how much land one would receive because one can't grow food on it.
Now if Mars had an existing population and a economy already present, then maybe I'd go...
You forgot the towns Argentina has build on the Antarctica, permanent towns even...
If some one buys land in Antarctica it could be a good investment , as oil could be found there
DML
I'd honestly say they'd have to give me over 200 acres and the building materials needed.
no bad
Be funny if someone else comes along and says sorry earthlings, mars is ours.
1 ac fine, as long as it comes with its own dome and Oxygen...lol.
oxygen is easy to get. Just break down silicon dioxide into silicon and oxygen. No problem . Big problem is there is very little hydrogen, nitrogen and the martian soil is contaminated with perchlorates. No water to drink and no food can be grown.
0:17 definitely earth. (shrubs)
Owning land? Maybe someday. But at this point, we don't even know if human beings can survive on the planet for even a few months, or survive the year long trip there, or the year long trip back. There is a lot of wishful thinking regarding Mars, and a lot of deluded thinking.
Exactly how can you own land you can't even safely be on
@@marcozolo3536 America is founded on just that. The owners are kept in reservations.
@@gustavthemagician Literally every civilization ever, stronger keep all. US at least has some paybacks, reparation, special right and stuff (we can argue all day long on what is enough or not) while many others just don't because either all indigenous are long dead or total assimilate already.
We know that someone who is in space for an extended period, longest is 355 days by Mark Vande Hei in 2021 aboard the ISS, of time looses on average a couple of minutes due to time dilation and will likely die of cancer.
So, we’re going to need some magnetic shielding to keep the astronauts alive.
you forgot liam neeson among the first people on mars.. he has a specific set of skills.
but also people have to have an economic reason to brave the extreme. the free land in the US was farm-able and, with not much investment, make a decent living for any homesteader. Mars, on the other hand, as far as we know, has nothing of value and will cost a fortune just to get established. most people only will go where they can make a profit over and above what it cost to live.
Today all the big powers are at loggerheads.
There a lot more to think about than just hey yeah let's send all these people to Mars we know everything works but are the people and functions going to work
I’m willing to move for 0. As, most likely, I’ll be dead or too old before there is an option to own land on Mars.
To convince me to move there id have to he promised at least 30 acre’s of land and thered have to be an economy and a good job reserved for me.
My student loans and creditors can’t find me on Mars. That’s all I need.
I have mentioned to Elon that the infrastructure of Tesla has to be increased by starting a Tesla Texas rental. Considering Texas existing Dealership laws in effect.This will allow more people the opportunity to drive a Tesla for a week or a month allowing them to be the next on the list for a lease or purchase, if so inclined. Also small businesses have to come before the multiple fleet sales by corporations, this allows more distribution of product amongst the population again offering more free word of mouth advertising. So orders under 10 come before orders over 10 or 100 this prevents someone like Herts rental to get all their Tesla's before the starter businesses do. Until production of the Tesla Semi can reach more than 4000 trucks a week I think it is important to keep the fleet sales at 100 trucks or less. If they can Mass produce more than that I would be one of the first to help them with their commercial fleet sales but I also believe in being able to help the smaller businesses get there trucks at the same time and not have to wait in behind for larger orders. Let's shoot for the Moon and Mars, then we will end up amongst the Stars!!
100,000 out if 5,000,000, million capable people would be more plausible than 1,000,000 million out of 5,000,000
You give me 160 acres of Martian land to make my home in exchange for me working for you? Yes. Minimum I’d do it for honestly is just the promise of my own home, even if it was just the home itself with no land.
So, you are saying that no one can own land until there is a local government with a charter that can use that authority? Fair enough, I am sure that this law will change once a colony is established and continues to grow.
Mars is gonna be hard.. Really hard.
To begin with, there's not really any breathable air there, and what there is is so thin and doesn't have the gases we need, so we'll have to wear suits when outside and live in pressurized domes (or caverns..).
Secondly - The soil is full of perchlorates and certainly isn't anything resembling "soil". In order to grow anything useful in that regolith, you have to "wash" the perchlorates out (totally doable with common tech we have). A result of doing that gives off a good amount of oxygen and a few other useful resources and then we can safely use the regolith, and add "stuff" to it to make it usable soil to be able to grow things we can use/eat, whatever..
Third - Radiation.. This is tough. There are multiple approaches I've seen for dealing with this that range from 3-D printing Mars-crete homes or shells over where we want to live, or tunneling beneath the surface (like Elon's Boring Co.!), or constructing habitats shielded by water or ice.. But we are gonna have to do something, because there's basically no magnetosphere protecting the surface from harmful radiation, so it's something that can be mitigated, but it's more difficult and costly that the issues around air and soil.
Fourth - Gravity.. This is also really tough. Mars has only about 38% of the gravity of Earth. So over time our bodies will have problems adapting to lower gravity, and people who are there for an entire "cycle" in between Hohmann transfer orbits (about 26mos.) could experience muscle atrophy and bone loss.
We'll need to carefully consider what to do about this too.
In summation - The problems and issues are mostly problems we can mitigate and deal with, but it will be really hard, and really expensive. And so far, aside from the "spreading the light of human consciousness" thing that Elon is talking about all the time, there isn't really a business case for colonizing Mars.. at least not yet.. Maybe there will be in time.. But, to come back to my original treatise here, for sure Mars will be really hard..
Can i ask how they will get past the firmament??? I have to hear this..🤣
as the video started he called it interstellar realistate wich is inacurate because interstellar means between stars and maars orbits the same star as earth
I'm willing to go just for the opportunity to help set up the colonies 👍🍻.
How much will a liter of water cost ? 50000 dollars? more ? , how about a liter of oxygen ? The dust problem is insurmountable as is the lack of anything helpful to a thriving ecosystem , something we wrongly think we can replace with machines .
Id be up for 160 mars aces and a life suport system
I'd need only a county of land to go but that doesn't mean I won't be waging wars to grow into an empire or maybe just a Dutchy
“Two weeks!”
Argentina and Uruguay do want to own land in anthartica
well I'm 70 so first reincarnation to a colony already there saves me travel expenses,(chuckle) and then my idea? as a gamer I play as a miner/explorer on every one. so if that thought stays with me, explore until I find some good ores then give me all rights to them and say....10 square miles around my claim.
running out of water ?lol same here ! no food left ?yeaaaa.... need fuel ? ummm gonna have to wait for that . Have a farmers hat and a oxygen suit hope that battery doesn't need changing.I think it might be the same amount of work and then some
I would go for free!! But if I had to decide on the amount of land to be owned I would say 20 acres would do.
I want to grow pot up there 👍
Luckily no one has yet consciously tried to terraform Antarctica =)
20,000 hectars please. Going raise rye and guine pig ranch.
The only thing you'll raise on mars is corpses
So, it's open territory. Let's see it enforced.
All I would want is 5 Acres.
I think there is no need to own 'land' on Mars becuase bare land is inhabitable. You have to live in a closed human-made habitat, which can be rightly owned by their respective owners. People and nations can just buy and sell the habitats instead.
You even made the comparison to Antarctica and still don't realize that this won't happen.
"Colonizing" Antarctica would be infinitely easier AND more comfortable than going to Mars: It has breathable air, bountiful water, normal gravity, safe radiation levels and much more pleasant temperatures. With a greenhouse and a little bit of added heating you could easily grow a lot of different crops in Antarctica, making it almost self-sufficient if that was a goal. Added bonus is that if something goes wrong in your Antarctica colony you can simply call for help and get evacuated by helicopter.
Yet, nobody does it... Nobody wants to live in Antarctica... Why is that?
Could it be that despite being on Earth and having all the advantages that a Moon or Mars base would never have, it's still an extremely challenging and unpleasant place to be most of the time. Why would people want to live there? And the answer is: they don't. Same can be said for other desolate places like deep inside deserts or high on mountain tops. They are a lot more hospitable to human life than Mars, yet nobody wants to be there.
People need to stop thinking that Mars is going to be some kind of "salvation" or "fresh start" or whatever. It's not going to be like the "western frontier" when white people invaded North America (which was only a good time if you were the invader, but that's beside the point here).
Earth is, and has always been, our salvation. Our only salvation. Our only home.
And if we destroy it so much that it can no longer support human life, then we've killed ourselves. No "mars colony" will ever be able to prevent the end of humanity if that happens.
No Mars colony will EVER become self-sufficient as the planet is a dead, radioactive desert where even the planet core is frozen.
Mars will be interesting for science. Maybe even a human crewed research base in the far future. But cities? Civilians? People being born there?
Will. Never. Happen.
"Nobody wants to live in Antarctica... Why is that?" You must have not watched the video. There is believed to be oil and mineral deposits in Antarctica. It isn't being developed not because it is not technologically possible, but because treaty restricts development and does not allow ownership. When Mars can be reached in a way that is affordable and land ownership is possible, people will come. That I guarantee.
7 mins in. I say that a treaty signed by the US of A is as good as a wink from a conman. From US perspective a treaty is to be respected until there is a possibility to make money by breaking it. Who's to judge? US of A considers themselves to be the highest judge in the world.
Mars is right beside the asteroid belt with all the resources nefded to build Mars and to bring back to earth most of the resources nefded for the future of Earth
As it is on Earth, so it will be on Mars. The rich land owners will lord it over the relatively poor.