$200 vs $900 fly fishing rod: Which is better??
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- Опубліковано 16 гру 2021
- EXPENSIVE VS CHEAP FLY ROD: WHICH IS BETTER?
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In this video Andrew and I bought the most expensive fly rod we could find and bought one of the cheapest fly rods we could find and spent a day fishing with both of them to compare which one was better. We caught multiple brown trout and rainbow trout and got to test the rods on some nice fish. At the end of the day we talked about the 2 rods and compared their pros and cons.
WORD OF ADVICE: if you think spending more money on a rod or reel is going to make you a better fisherman than you're wrong. At the end of the day catching fish is up to your skills as a fisherman and has little to do with your equipment. If you get to the point where you fish so much that spending nearly a grand on a rod seems worth it to you then go for it, but for the average angler it's not worth the money.
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Great vid as always. I’m still using an 8’ Fenwick Rod from the 1970’s. The fish don’t care what equip you’re using. Need to be able to read the water; choose the correct fly; and present it correctly.
Yep couldn't agree more!!
I was just going to say the same thing.
Couldn't agree with you more! I started fly fishing many years ago with a Fenwick 7.5 - 5 weight and though I don't use it very often because I seldom go small stream fishing which is what I bought it for. Now I know the newer rods have way more power and I use a Sage for long casts but its no more accurate than my old Fenwick which I think is still as accurate as the day I bought it. Different situations require different tools to get the job done quicker and with less fuss but that doesn't mean one tool is better than another, just applied differently.
Common I mean you are totally right but don't make such a big spoiler of the video. Now I already know the conclusion of the video
I see fenwick coming up so much in the comments as I'm looking for my first rod.. It has to be for a reason.
You guys remind of when I was young and couldn't get enough of fly fishing. I'm 70 now and feel young watching you fish. Keep the enthusiasm going it only gets better, plus you have access to so much great equipment. I started with an 8' Fenwick 6wt glass rod that caught 7" brook trout to 31" steelhead. Stay true and don't get caught up in the hype and fashion that seems to have permeated fly fishing. Keep casting.
No matter how expensive the rod is, in the end it comes down to your skill and the most important of all the fly.
Presentation over fly pattern all day long., and when it comes to presentation, a higher quality tool often makes it a lot easier.
And spot
I really don’t think the fly matters all that much. It certainly matters, but significantly less than skill, experience, and knowing how to speak fish.
Not really, the more expensive rods are made better and much easier and enjoyable to fish with.
@@FranklinLive Truth. However, a more expensive rod doesn’t catch fish. You do. Hence skill and knowledge of the target species and it’s water are much more important.
I'm in PA and used to fly fish a lot, but got away from it as the kids grew up and got into athletics. They're all grown now and your channel has gotten me back into wanting to do it again this coming spring. Thanks John and Adrew!
that's awesome! get out there and have some fun.
The respect you show for the fish and their environment is commendable. Keep up the great video's.
thank you so much!
Seconded! This fairly new fly fisherman learned about trout redds! ...but I don't wade much since I'm disabled 😂
Great review guys. I really appreciate the feedback and the high end/low end rod comparison, because you rarely see them. As you know most people tend to compare rods around the same price point. I would love to add another rod to my quiver. Always good to have a backup or to loan to someone to introduce them to the euro technique. Thank you for the opportunity.
No doubt! Thanks for watching!
Love the videos, I'm new to the sport this past year. I've learned a lot from your videos. I haven't become adept in nymphing yet but I'm absolutely hooked on the sport. Thanks for the content! Happy new year!
Thank you for the very cool video. When I can't go out, I look to your channel to remind me how great it is to be out on the water.
I have always believed when fishing use what you have and enjoy it. I still have the fly reel a neighbor gave me when I was 10 now I am 64. Probably as less expensive as they come. The rod unfortunately was broken years ago, but anyway I have had as much fun as anyone else over the years with these type rods. Whatever the price is if it makes you happy rock on. Great videos gentlemen. Wish I was there right now. Thanks!
That's awesome!! My original combo I broke in Colorado unfortunately (and through it in a trash can out of frustration).
Years ago I bought a 8-1/2 ft 5 weight Korean graphite rod on clearance for $25 based on the recommendation of experienced friends that had purchased it. It casts further than 9' name brand rods and has held up for years. Comparing rods is much like comparing car brands or bullet calibers, each individual has their own preferences. Acquired skills are more important than the rod you are using.
Your last sentence says it all. Thanks for watching!
Great job guys..keep the content coming..I miss trout fishing since we moved to Bama from Western Maryland 7yrs ago..I trout fished all over MD,WV for 35yrs..so I watch you guys and it takes me back to Home watching you guys..love it and miss it..
No more trout fishing, but I betcha a Dollar that you didn't stop fishing. You just adjusted to "NEW CONDITIONS" Bass, Crappie, Catfish, Blue Gills, Perch & Carp can be just as fun. I live in KC, & the warm weather is easier to catch fish, get yourself a kayak & go out before the Sun cracks up the sky. Top water works wonders. After the sky is cracked switch it subsurface..
I’ve heard some great things about both of those rods and it’s always fun to see somebody test them out and review them! Great video!
These guys produce some of the best trout fishing content out there, I’m new to fly fishing and they really helped me out by comparing these two rods
Glad you enjoyed and thank you!
If you are new & need help with your casting, go to a big sporting goods store like Cabelas or Bass Pro on the weekends in the spring. They usually have FREE lessons giving with their equipment by an old veteran instructor. Check your local fly shop for help & tips.
Love your videos, but I’m an old geezer who already has way too many rods - and has no clue what an IG handle is! So, I really don’t want the rod, though euro-nymphing does intrigue me. What I’d really love to win is a half-day fishing outing with you and Andrew! Now THAT would be quite a prize!
That would be fun for sure
That would be the best. You would have a good time and learn so much more
That's actually not a bad idea! And I understand, the rod giveaway certainly isn't attractive to everybody, but I know somebody would enjoy it.
I didn't know what was meant by IG handle either. It has to do with social media. IG = Instagram.
Been researching euro rods and looked at a lot of videos. I must say your review was very refreshing and informative. Especially liked the correlation been the tools and skill. Thanks
I found your videos after searching how to vids for fly fishing and my daughter(5y/o) was harrassing about them being boring. So I switched up and search for some showing more actual fishing. We both enjoyed them. Great videos man!!
Loved seeing what you guys thought about the really expensive one, I’ve always wondered if they actually fished any better than mid range rods or were just the brand name selling. Awesome fish too, it’s crazy that you can catch a big brown and a big bow from the same hole that’s a great fishery!
It is definitely a bit better rod no doubt. Is it worth that much more money? Not sure about that one. Thanks for watching!
i think that the more you develop as an angler, the more you come to appreciate the finer details of expensive gear. in that sense, maybe starting out on cheap gear is better because it helps you really appreciate and exploit the benefits of expensive gear. At the end of the day, you'll catch fish either way, but you might find that eventually upgrading to more expensive gear will aid you in your growth as an angler.
Great video! Always wondered the real difference between Low & High besides price. New to ENF and just use a 5wt until I know more. Making several different lines and leaders to see what works for me. Not a lot of people know and try ENF, but I’m excited to use it as a more finesse approach. Thanks for the video guys!
That's awesome!! Good luck out there!
Been really enjoying your videos! Like how you show you’re whole experience to help people learn to be better fisherman and stewards of the outdoors.
Thanks for putting this video out! I have just gotten back into fishing this year. The last I fished was in the mid 90's. I casted lead most of the summer. Starting in September I started fly fishing with a cheap rod from Walmart. Truth be told I have caught more fish with it than I did with the spinning rod this summer. I've fallen in love with fly fishing though and have been looking at Orvis rods. I just haven't known if I would be able to tell the difference in a less expensive rod vs a more expensive rod. This is how I stumbled onto your video. I'm still not sure which way I will go but am so looking forward to getting back out there and catching some more!
Excited to finally get into fly fishing! Just ordered my first fly reel/rod combo this morning. Should be here Saturday!
Get some free lessons @ Cabelas or Bass Pro in the spring on the weekends. Also check your local fly shop for tips & gear. These people will help & guide you through, be patient, don't give up, once you learn how to cast, it'll begin very rewarding.
Be patient with yourself and keep up the grind, pick a river system you know has fish in it and have fun
That would be a nice rod. I got a 70$ combo, 8ft 5 wt. I use it for everything. Never euro nymphed, I mostly streamer fish. Can’t wait for more streamer videos
They're coming!! Thanks for watching!
I really enjoyed the comparison video! Also I really like how you both respect the environment and the fish! Definitely earned a sub! Keep up the good work! Cheers from Australia
Love that you guys don’t push for the really expensive gear. For as much as you guys do fish, you certainly could justify having all high end gear. Appreciate the humbleness.
When casting longer distances is important the rod stiffness can make a difference to your ability to get your fly to the right spot. Some more expensive rods allow you to achieve both the long distance and accuracy required, however; when casting short distances the quality of the rod doesn’t make much difference. I have fished for Tarpon on the flats where long distance and accuracy are key, and in this case having a better quality rod, which are usually more expensive, is important.
Makes sense if you use the rod to cast, which any good fly fisherman doesn't do.
It's the Indian, not the arrow.
Once again it is good to see you guys together. You guys just ooze competition, reminds of my brother and I. Thanks for braving the cold to bring us this video. Love the train, the bridges and the clear water. I especially loved the "leaf" fish Andrew got. Merry Christmas guys! Not on Instagram but do have an email account.
Nice down to earth and honest assessment here. Fun watching you guys pull beautiful trout up on these rods. Can't wait to get out on the water again.
Gear comparison videos have always been a favorite of mine your findings have been in line with many of the fly fishing products I use.
New to fly fishing. Absolutely hooked. Been going through a ton of your guys videos! They’re awesome. Keep it up I need more to watch and learn!
I love your videos you have become my favorite youtuber by far. I had fished for trout with spinning reel for years but your videos got me to try fly fishing I have only been able to try fly fishing one or two times and I have only caught a couple of fish but I absolutely love it now and I would love to be able to try euro nymphing.
Thank you for your honest and thorough evaluation. I feel much better about not having to spend a ton of money to have productive and enjoyable fishing adventures. Your videos have taught me so much about fly fishing and good sportsmanship. Thank you.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Started fly fishing during Covid summer 2020. Can’t get enough now. Keep the vids coming…it’s how I learn! Euro Nymphing is my next skill set.
Just found your channel and loving it! I just lost my fly rod that I had since I was a kid. I’m rocking a $130 set up right now but it still catches fish!
I have a $100 fly rod set up and another that is way more expensive. You can feel the difference, but both have caught tons of fish. Great review!
I like the way you compare rods and explained the difference in the rods weight and sensitivity for the money .
Thank you for doing this comparison. It's good to know there are fly rods out there that don't break the bank but still have the quality of the more expensive rods. Good fishing to both of you. Keep your lines wet!!!
Glad you enjoyed!!!
You and Andrew are some trout catching brothers who make any rod look good. Not many of us could afford or take advantage of an expensive rod, but it is great fun fly fishing with what I have. Mostly I enjoy the purity and simplicity of my inexpensive Tenkara rod. Your videos are my favorites!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed!
One of my favorite fly fishing equipment manufacturers, the ECHO line is solid - Tim Rajef knows a thing or two about what goes into a good outfit and does it at a great price point. I fish a lot of vintage outfits and love how well they perform. Nothing wrong with having the "best", just know you don't always have to have the "latest and greatest"!
Couldn't agree more!! There will always be something new
Guys your assessment was pretty much spot on. The T & T is definitely a rod for someone who wants to delve into the more critical nuances of quality. You addressed the lightness and differences in feel and sensitivity between the two rods. Other factors to consider might include casting accuracy, tip bounce, tip sensitivity as it applies to fishing 7x and 8x leaders, and fish handling characteristics. Also, how well can the rod cast a micro nymph leader, or a dry dropper set-up, ie. how versatile is it. Just of few questions that would factor in when a final rod decision is made. Thanks for another great video and for your consistent attention to fish handling and obvious love of the sport!
Yeah we went into some more detail but I had to cut some of it out or the video would have been 30 minutes. Although we didn't test versatilely and that's a good one! Glad you enjoyed!
Always love seeing a new video from you. The fishing has been slow up here in Colorado lately and this curbs my itch.
Like that you guys leave the fish in the net and in the water while landing. been doing and preaching this for years! Keep it up
Really enjoy your videos guys. Currently trying to learn as much about trout fishing and your videos really help. Thanks.
Glad you enjoy!
I have a watched several of your videos before this one and have enjoyed watching you bushwhack your way into small streams. Keep up the good work.
Y'all are my favorite guys on UA-cam. Y'all fish like it's going out of style. I live in the mountains on nc and started nymphing and streamer fish cause of y'all's videos. I caught a hook bill rainbow about 15in on streamer last summer after one of your videos to get me out of the house during covid. Thanks for all y'all do. Keep pushing guys.
That's amazing!! Glad you enjoy the videos!!
I am new to the fly fishing scene and I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Thank you for the tips and keep on fishing! The echo rod would be a sweet starter rod for a newbie like me. Thanks again
Great vid guys!
I'm currently using an 8 ft. 4 weight for small streams. Going to look into euro nymphing.
I have an Echo 10'10" switch rod for steelhead and have been quite happy with it so far.
Their service is great. Broke the tip last week and they mailed one to me within a week to Canada.
Cheers.
I’ve been fishing for around 3is years now, and I’ve absolutely fallen in love with it. It started with summer bass fishing, and now I’ve dipped my feet into fly fishing. I immediately fell in love, and have been landing big rainbows in PA. Unfortunately, some “nature loving” thug took my stuff, and I barely have enough money to replace my stuff with entry level gear (sine I’m only 15).
However, your videos never fail to brighten my day despite my woes. Keep up the great work buddy!!
Great video showing the rod doesn’t mater much as far as catching fish. I’m just getting into fly fishing and enjoy watching your videos.
Great Video, love the shots of the colored up browns one of my favorite parts of fishing! As to the rods- I like you started with a 200 dollar moonshine rod. I thought it was great have caught hundreds of fish with it. Little over a year ago I upgraded to the the T and T rod and have to say there is a significant difference in my opinion. The weight and balance of the rod are of note. Its so much easier on my arm and shoulder to fish a full day with the T N T especially on multiple day trips. The sensitivity of the rod is also much better I think that is also do to the weight that might lead to more hookups but like you say kind of subjective. In the end I don't think anyone who fishes the two rods back to back would pick the $200 rod if money were not an issue but like the saying goes "buy once cry once"!
Great video thanks for all the information I would love to get into the fly fishing game and was wondering the differences between expensive rod and a cheap rod and you did a great job explaining it thanks so much bill Swanson
Gentlemen, I love the channel. I binge watch your videos at least once or twice a week. Keep on making kick ass videos.
That's awesome!! Glad you enjoy them!
Bro...your video quality is great...and your editing is superb..you my man just earned a like & subscription...keep up the great work bro
i remember my pops telling me ont he water to conserve money, and invest in knowledge. you can buy the craziest stuff but it wont teach you anything. fly selection, patience, and a good heart will yield you a lot more than a 900+.00 setup. great video!
Awesome job guys. Enjoy the straight up observations
I love your channel. You keep it real and the content is always interesting. Keep up the good work!
A very informative comparison. Because I’m primarily a Stillwater fisherman the weight difference in the rods is a major factor after 75-100 casts in a day.
Yep, after a long day it can be tough. ESPECIALLY when euro nymphing
Man, I’ve been on a binge watching your videos. Awesome stuff.
Thank you!!
Just fell in love with fly fishing recently and building up my gear. I tried the Orvis Clearwater and Recon. Thanks for the video.
That's awesome! Glad you're getting into it
Thanks for the review - and I'm really enjoying your vids.
I had an inexpensive combo that I bought as a teen. I used it as a primary rod and caught hundreds, I still have it 30 years later but it is my leave in the camper rod in case I happen across some water. I now have a newer rod but still under $100 and still catches fish fine. A $200 rod to me would be like the $900 rod to you in comparison. Great video and appreciate you guys showing you don't need to have the top of the line equipment to still have a good time on the water, and catch fish.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Enjoyed the comparison, especially the side by side look at the rods at the end. Thanks for making quality videos
Glad you enjoyed!
Stumbled on your video looking into fly combos. Good job gentlemen.
Thanks for the video. Those were some expert netting skills under the bridge.
A great review guys. Keep up the high quality vblogs, much appreciated! 👍🏼🎣
Thank you so much!
Great video!! I know it's cold and I do appreciate the effort you put in during this season where most people can only dream about fishing so keep up the great work and fish on
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed
I always wonder about differences between such rods. Thanks for showing this and your thoughts.
Been fishing most of my life. We were so poor growing up we had to fish or we didn’t eat. I’m 33 now and I still fish for food and fun. My daughters love fishing now. It’s nice to keep passing on the good times. I want to start fly fishing but never realized how expensive it is to get started. Maybe one day when I have some extra money. I’m definitely going to get into it. It looks like so much fun
definitely start with some scientific angler practice gear before buying real gear... (like whole combo for under $150)
Great Review and video. Good to see an honest review showing you don’t have to spend a grand to get into a new style of fishing. Thanks for the video.
thank you for watching!
Great video comparing the rods, nice to see that a less expensive rod works just fine !
Loved the honest feedback. Always wondered where the pricey rods stand out performance wise
Glad you enjoyed!
I was supposed to go fishing today but got rained out. I watched your video and ate my lunch I packed for my trip. Fun times! Echo makes some great products. Thanks for the great content. Keep up the good work. Merry Christmas!!
hey man good luck out there! Sucks to get rained out but that raising water probably helped you at the end of the day. Thanks for watching and Merry Christmas!
Nice work I enjoy your videos I leaved in WV for 20 years remembering all the times TU was stocking browns it’s nice to see so many Quality fish caught keep it up ps don’t need the rod do need the videos
Thank you guys for sharing this excellent comparative euro rods review! In my view, if you have to pay a high-end price that's fine, but there's always a rod with a comparable performance and a more affordable price to have a similar experience. Sometimes they rely on the fly fisherman to take advantage of differences in weight and sensitivity. Here in Argentina, we have an extra tax for products made in the USA (and less for those made in China). I choose a medium option price, like a Moon Shine Vesper rod ($450 in USA).
You boys have come a long ways since your spin casting days!
I really like your real comparison. Thanks for all your videos. Happy Holidays
I've always used budget rods. I'm using the Cabela's euro rod right now (just over $200). It flips euro rigs over fine. It protects 6x tippet well but still has a butt capable of turning 20"+ fish. I'm sure the t&t is more sensitive on subtle takes but can't imagine it's 4.5x more sensitive. I have a good time and catch fish with it. Also been liking the max catch stuff. Got their 3wt trout spey rod and it will bomb 80'+ casts with both a Skagit and scandi setup just fine. It's certainly more capable than my mediocre casting technique. Their machined reels are damn good for the price too.
Hi I just recently started finishing again. I'm 72 and would love to try this set up. Thanks guys have a Great day .awesome video.
Great job. Really appreciate your knowledge on this style of fishing. I have been bass fishing most of my free time. But have been considering some fly fishing lately. Ty
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Great video. I have a few Orvis in 4 and 5 weights I really enjoy but I just picked up a & foot Echo Carbon 3 weight for small creeks in Ga. that I think is phenomenal. It does great on the smaller trout streams and It's a real hoot kayaking the lake for bream. Feels like you have a large bass on. Keep it up guys even though this is an older video.
Enjoy the channel man learning more about fly fishing and would love to try euro nymphing
I've had the Echo Carbon XL for years and LOVE it. My next one will be another one.
A great comparison. The take away is the more expensive rod has more sensitivity, but the less expensive rod can still catch you great fish.
100%
Great video! Loved seeing the comparison between the two rods! Hope to hit the Little Red River and do a little nymphing soon. 👍🏼
Enjoy the videos. Appreciate all the time you put in for the videos. Keep it up!
I'm glad you enjoy them!!
Nice comparison of the two rods. I like the comparison about the sensitivity and features
I work for a destination spa resort and one of the activities I teach is basic fly casting. Very basic, I'm no Tom Ronsenbauer and I've only recently really got into fly fishing but the biggest complaint from most guest was that fly fishing is just too expensive.
I purchased the cheapest fly rod combo from my local walmart along with a pack of inexpensive flies for less than $60. With this set I've caught Trout, Largemouth Bass, Crappie, Bluegill and Perch, some of them actually being my personal best catches. I also use the Orvis Helios 3 which was very expensive and I can cast significantly further without having to double haul but the cheap Cortland rod really isn't bad, I still get 30+ feet out smoothly and it's surprisingly durable, not quite as tough as machined aluminum so the reel could break from a decent drop or fall but it's also $50.
Nice video. Just got started fly fishing and watching your videos helped get me going. Only have 1 outfit right now, the ubiquitous 9’ 5wt. Would love to add this one.
Just started fly fishing recently and this was very helpful info to know. Thxs guys!👍👍
Glad you enjoyed!
I am using the rod they have at Walmart. You are the only be who got me into fly fishing.
Great videos. I enjoy watching all the places you go to! They are all definitely gems for fly fishing.
I'm glad you enjoy them!
Nice video! Cool to see the difference in the rods, it is hard to sometimes justify the higher price so good to know the Lower one is still a good option
Always enjoy your practical approach to what can be a very expensive sport.
Thank you!
I fish a ~$170 3-weight 10-foot nymph rod and I love it. I've never tried a more expensive rod so I don't have much to compare it to but I've landed hundreds of fish with it and I don't think I've ever lost a fish in a way that could be blamed on the rod, it holds fish really well. I also run a pretty ghetto nymph rig as I don't have a proper euro nymph line nor do I think one is needed, I think you can get a better feel with mono and less sagging. I use 0.30mm mono as the line tied to a 10-inch snippet of braided orange backing line as a depth/strike indicator and then a fluorocarbon leader. Works great!
That's awesome man! If it works who cares
Fun video guys! All of these rods will catch fish for sure.
Interestingly there was little or no discussion in your review about casting accuracy of the rods. I've found that most beginners cannot tell much of a difference between the ESN rods due to their simple casting ability. I would think as your casting skills improve you would notice improved casting accuracy and dampening of the the T&T rod over the Echo rod, and at the end of the day that's what you are really paying for IMO.
My first ESN 3wt rod was an affordable Cortland rod and later I picked up a Sage ESN 3wt rod, the Sage is a much better casting rod and I like how it fights fish better. I have a Cortland ESN 4wt for bigger water and it casts pretty good, flights fish in heavy water really well, but the rod weight is very fatiguing after a few hours.
I love to watch this channel and always look forward to new videos. Best one on UA-cam. Keep up the good work!!
That's awesome!! I'm glad you enjoy the videos!!!
I really enjoyed your video and Im learning things I never knew thankyou both Im learning all i can about fly fishing so i can start my adventures lol
Good information to have when deciding for a fly rod. Thanks!
It’s in the individual whether playing an instrument or casting a fly rod, It’s what you can play what you cannot and how you play it… The equipment can compliment or accentuate your skill level or lack of it.. Great video thanks :)
I love your videos. I have a Echo Carbon in 5 wt and love it and then again a Sage X. I still pull out the Echo from time to time.