The government is the one we need a guarantee of privacy from in the first place. If I was doing real crimes I would not trust anyone else's program for anything.
Dude is being boiled like an egg. Just about no station here in the EU is reporting on it - only as little as needed, if ever. If this isn't a politically incentivised "abduction", then i don't know what is. All "they" care for is having tabs on their people. Yeah, there is definitively illegal stuff on the platform, but it is not encrypted, easy to intercept. So why change Telegram from top to bottom? Because they want even more. Rip, really liked the software actually. Can't believe EU govts are that low...
I imagine he was threatened with 50 years in prison. Kind of concentrates the mind. Let's see how it works out in practice. It depends on how he interprets his terms vs how the authorities do when they make their requests (demands). "Unsafe" is already wishy-washy but, in practice, so is "illegal." We think that should just mean CSAM, terrorism and standard criminality. The authorities agree with that but also add mis/dis/malinformation. For them, those are illegal but they presumably don't violate Telegram's terms of service. But Telegram could be coerced into wording that covers those. At any rate, as far as the EU is concerned with their DSA, Telegram is supposed to comply with that, at least for EU citizens.
@@TehVulpes Him requiring a phone number should have clued everyone into the fact that he cares none for privacy. His actions now are an inevitable consequence of him having too much information in the first place
@@TehVulpes and that means I should still use it? I get it, it's not his fault, but that doesn't mean it wasn't taken over by the government. Telegram glows brighter than Facebook now, so I'm going to avoid it.
this is why decentralization and e2e is so important, you can't be forced to dox your users to 3 letter agencies if you don't know anything about users or what they did
I personally am sick of AI bots censoring me. He should agree to get out of jail then not comply, just block France. We have to get the WEF out of control of our Governments.
@@kussemeinkont Yeah, you don't go back to that country and tell them to go f themselves. I spent many years of my life on the run from the cops. It was a hoot-nanny.
@@kussemeinkont Can't enforce a bail agreement if you're not in the country anymore. Plenty of countries don't have extradition agreements with France too.
Pavel is led into dark smoke fill room, with some faceless suits sitting at around a large table. As he takes a seat, a video starts playing on a large screen of the JFK assassination from angles never seen before, then transitions to footage of Spanish cell holding McAfee showing what happened, etc. The man at the head of the table begins, "You see Mr. Durov, no matter how powerful or high up on the pyramid, no matter where in the world your are, you must follow the rules *we* from the shadows put in place, ... now I will ask just one more time about that Telegram backdoor.."
@@deckard5pegasus673 I would’ve but off my tongue, spit it back at them and laughed, like that dude from sons of anarchy. That’s just me though… All while singing the star spangled banner without a tongue.
@@Elknkam if they don’t care about the JFK assassination, then why are they refusing to release the files LONG after they were supposed to? I’m probably younger than you are and I certainly care about a coup from 60 years ago, that’s not really that long ago. Are people really that shortsighted?
@@deckard5pegasus673 Well yeah, of course he can; he’s actually intelligent. Smart people are rare, so of course the guy who replied to you doesn’t care. He can’t remember what he did 4 days ago and can’t really see how important that was. To him it’s just some thing that happened a long time ago, meanwhile the organizations involved are still refusing to release the files because they know it would give up the game. He can’t make those kind of connections; he can barely make his own decisions.
Era of private communication over internet is over. Enter web 2.0 where there is absolutely no privacy. Any company claiming it provides you with private communication is lying to you, if they did they would end up like this guy.
Keep in mind the shady intent of "illegal". Everything meant to be free and abundant is intended to be made artificially scarce so you can be controlled to pay for it. Including air and water. Trading those without a license will be illegal.
@@googIesux It's dumb. Anywhere it rains you can get all the potable water you need. For the cost of treating it yourself. Just make sure the overflow drains the same way without more force than it would without the collection system. Land material erosion (mostly hidden and contributes to sink holes) and damaging others' property is a major concern in any land development changing the flow of water. It's a tiny fraction of the cost of buying purified water. Some recommend a metal roof as that contributes the least contamination of roof types. Rain often comes with some that you probably should avoid consuming.
@@googIesux It's not the only jurisdiction that has made it illegal to collect rainwater. Look to any leftist controlled city, county, state, and you'll see tons of such "laws".
In practice you need to moderate, otherwise services become unusable. I assume that the average person doesn't want CSAM and real-time "gruesome ending of life" littering their feeds. Telegram did have moderation before this. It's now been expanded. Even the free-wheeling Gab is not a free-for-all.
It's illegal to question the russian army's progress. While they now have full access to whatsapp chats, what will happen to those Russians that committed the crime of questioning Putin. Or more in our world: It was practically illegal to say positive things about Ivermectin in the Netherlands since end 2020. People got fined severely for doing that, while they merely restated existing facts.
I would bet, not good money, but freedom from incarceration, that the AI Moderation is done by an "independent" contractor granted unrestricted access to Telegram, and that contractor will _also_ accept contracts for services to governments -- thereby avoiding the whole process of subpoena and due process, and that is why the Telegram terms of service are changed thusly!
it worls like this create reaosn for altenataive view (easy peasy) then create reason for people to leave mainstream (censorship) then purge new data after infiltrating and then watching algorith
F B and twitter used to commonly market that material and did so with full support of the government. The same people are now demanding synn sour ship. Do you honestly believe their desire is to limit what they, themselves, market?
The government is the one we need a guarantee of privacy from in the first place. If I was doing real crimes I would not trust anyone else's program for anything.
Good times are over on Telegram.
Yes, they were good when they only shared the data to Russia. Sharing it with others is bad times.
Just removed telegram from my PC. What a shame, he really seemed sincere about privacy and freedom.
He was, all of these concessions are under duress. You’d do the same thing too if your choices were selling out, prison for life, or death.
Dude is being boiled like an egg. Just about no station here in the EU is reporting on it - only as little as needed, if ever. If this isn't a politically incentivised "abduction", then i don't know what is. All "they" care for is having tabs on their people. Yeah, there is definitively illegal stuff on the platform, but it is not encrypted, easy to intercept. So why change Telegram from top to bottom? Because they want even more.
Rip, really liked the software actually. Can't believe EU govts are that low...
I imagine he was threatened with 50 years in prison. Kind of concentrates the mind. Let's see how it works out in practice. It depends on how he interprets his terms vs how the authorities do when they make their requests (demands). "Unsafe" is already wishy-washy but, in practice, so is "illegal." We think that should just mean CSAM, terrorism and standard criminality. The authorities agree with that but also add mis/dis/malinformation. For them, those are illegal but they presumably don't violate Telegram's terms of service. But Telegram could be coerced into wording that covers those. At any rate, as far as the EU is concerned with their DSA, Telegram is supposed to comply with that, at least for EU citizens.
@@TehVulpes Him requiring a phone number should have clued everyone into the fact that he cares none for privacy.
His actions now are an inevitable consequence of him having too much information in the first place
@@TehVulpes and that means I should still use it? I get it, it's not his fault, but that doesn't mean it wasn't taken over by the government. Telegram glows brighter than Facebook now, so I'm going to avoid it.
this is why decentralization and e2e is so important, you can't be forced to dox your users to 3 letter agencies if you don't know anything about users or what they did
I personally am sick of AI bots censoring me. He should agree to get out of jail then not comply, just block France. We have to get the WEF out of control of our Governments.
we are going to have to be willing to remove our corrupt governments, with force to accomplish this.
Completely agreed there, and I love that idea. Pretend to comply, then don't.
have you any idea how bail agreements work?
@@kussemeinkont Yeah, you don't go back to that country and tell them to go f themselves. I spent many years of my life on the run from the cops. It was a hoot-nanny.
@@kussemeinkont Can't enforce a bail agreement if you're not in the country anymore. Plenty of countries don't have extradition agreements with France too.
'unsafe' can be as simple as breaking your boiled egg on the wrong end. Or buttering your toast on the wrong side.
Another thing I didn't use before but will now definitely NOT use forever
Pavel is led into dark smoke fill room, with some faceless suits sitting at around a large table. As he takes a seat, a video starts playing on a large screen of the JFK assassination from angles never seen before, then transitions to footage of Spanish cell holding McAfee showing what happened, etc.
The man at the head of the table begins, "You see Mr. Durov, no matter how powerful or high up on the pyramid, no matter where in the world your are, you must follow the rules *we* from the shadows put in place, ... now I will ask just one more time about that Telegram backdoor.."
Yeah , like they would give a damn to show a jfk assassination boomer!
@@Elknkam Most people don't know what country they live in, let alone who the presidents are, but Pavel can grasp it.
@@deckard5pegasus673 I would’ve but off my tongue, spit it back at them and laughed, like that dude from sons of anarchy. That’s just me though… All while singing the star spangled banner without a tongue.
@@Elknkam if they don’t care about the JFK assassination, then why are they refusing to release the files LONG after they were supposed to? I’m probably younger than you are and I certainly care about a coup from 60 years ago, that’s not really that long ago. Are people really that shortsighted?
@@deckard5pegasus673 Well yeah, of course he can; he’s actually intelligent. Smart people are rare, so of course the guy who replied to you doesn’t care. He can’t remember what he did 4 days ago and can’t really see how important that was. To him it’s just some thing that happened a long time ago, meanwhile the organizations involved are still refusing to release the files because they know it would give up the game. He can’t make those kind of connections; he can barely make his own decisions.
Era of private communication over internet is over. Enter web 2.0 where there is absolutely no privacy.
Any company claiming it provides you with private communication is lying to you, if they did they would end up like this guy.
p2p-e2ee
@@vranigavrani watch mental outlaw’s video on this; he shows some good, decentralized (I think FOSS too) alternatives.
Keep in mind the shady intent of "illegal". Everything meant to be free and abundant is intended to be made artificially scarce so you can be controlled to pay for it. Including air and water. Trading those without a license will be illegal.
So you'd rather children and minorities breathe potentially toxic air? Wow. Literally trump
FR though, I think they made it illegal to drink rainwater in WI
@@googIesux It's dumb. Anywhere it rains you can get all the potable water you need. For the cost of treating it yourself. Just make sure the overflow drains the same way without more force than it would without the collection system. Land material erosion (mostly hidden and contributes to sink holes) and damaging others' property is a major concern in any land development changing the flow of water. It's a tiny fraction of the cost of buying purified water. Some recommend a metal roof as that contributes the least contamination of roof types. Rain often comes with some that you probably should avoid consuming.
@@googIesux It's not the only jurisdiction that has made it illegal to collect rainwater. Look to any leftist controlled city, county, state, and you'll see tons of such "laws".
@@uncrunch398 i imagine its yubetuebe and not lunduke removing my ko mints
What's the point of Telegram now?
chat ride groups to help other riders find you or where the ride is?
@@JadedWarlock nothing. Telegram is dead.
@@JadedWarlock all he had to do was stay in Dubai. That’s all he had to do…
Great, time to get rid of Telegram.
and this is when I delete my account , good bye
He said Hilter, get him!
Lets cancel Govts
*The only acceptable moderation is zero.*
In practice you need to moderate, otherwise services become unusable. I assume that the average person doesn't want CSAM and real-time "gruesome ending of life" littering their feeds. Telegram did have moderation before this. It's now been expanded. Even the free-wheeling Gab is not a free-for-all.
resistance against the borg is futile. All Hail Big Brother
No it isn't. You're not a fatalistic doormat
@@mk71b Stop paying your taxes.
So under government threat they changed policy?
Government threat of life imprisonment maybe.
It's illegal to question the russian army's progress. While they now have full access to whatsapp chats, what will happen to those Russians that committed the crime of questioning Putin.
Or more in our world:
It was practically illegal to say positive things about Ivermectin in the Netherlands since end 2020. People got fined severely for doing that, while they merely restated existing facts.
Free Speech until you say something the Founders don't like. Which Founders? Insert era here.
I would bet, not good money, but freedom from incarceration, that the AI Moderation is done by an "independent" contractor granted unrestricted access to Telegram, and that contractor will _also_ accept contracts for services to governments -- thereby avoiding the whole process of subpoena and due process, and that is why the Telegram terms of service are changed thusly!
1990=behavioural social engineering
2024=/?
The odd situation is how does a russian based and hosted company enforces laws of alleged "enemy" foreign countries. This whole story is beyond weird
Looks like someone got an offer he couldn' refuse
remember orrin hatch (rep) and the early internet lawmakers?
That's how free apps work, welcome to first week community college level economics curriculum
it worls like this
create reaosn for altenataive view
(easy peasy)
then create reason for people to leave mainstream
(censorship)
then purge new data after infiltrating and then watching algorith
Whelp, no more telegram.
Watched on locals
This is why I'm anarchocapitalist.
I make it a habit not to install stupid apps that the phone already has, like text messages 😁
Welp the baguette bois took telegram away. It's Signal or bust.
Sad day
so.... even telegram is dead
sudo apt remove telegram-desktop
wow
It shouldn't be giving anybody's information unless it's first requested with a warrant from a government agency
They probably want to grow into commercial space and need to comply with regulations in order to fit in with the enterprise market
I'm torn on this, I hate censorship but I've had actual CP videos spammed with auto running previews in Telegram servers for 3d printing/stls
Yeah obviously he hasn't done his job on removing that, and now will censor the political stuff instead 🤦
F B and twitter used to commonly market that material and did so with full support of the government. The same people are now demanding synn sour ship. Do you honestly believe their desire is to limit what they, themselves, market?
N.....S.....A