[TF2] Crit-Collecting Weapons
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- Critical Hits are controversial, especially Random Crits, so what if we made them guaranteed? Let's talk about it.
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What annoys me about diamond back is that the ambassador crits were nerfed, but the diamond back didn't. Like bruh
It’s your fault if you keep dying to it. I LOVE the diamondback as my main gun!
@@Labyrinth6000Yep. Should’ve just dodged those hitscan 100 damage shots you couldn’t have seen coming that I collected just by playing the class normally. Honestly a skill issue /s
@@Labyrinth6000you're definitely a troll.
@@jblazerndrowzyjust kill the spy before it, lol, it's really that easy
@@Nibelungenwarmongers Ah yes in 1v1 it's basically just hitscan meatshots. If a spy has 2 crits anything that isn't a heavy dies and the first shot is free because disguises hide his gun to show he doesn't have crits even if he does or from a strange angle.
Can we talk about the Medic’s sick attempted drop-kick at 14:14
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The Manmelter also meshes really well with the Dragon's Fury as you can still extinguish your teammates at a decent rate and when you enter combat scenerios with it first once and have a few crits stored you can deal 90 damage and then immedietly be able to deal full Dragon's Fury damage on top of that.
It’s like the anti-pyro, pyro load out
"You don't hear people complain about the kritzkrieg or pyro's puff n sting combos."
Brother, what games have you been playing?
i domt know what this means ^_^ :3
You missed the word “often”
@@HIPP05critical hit from Medic and critical hit from Pyro combo with flaregun
Such a blatant lie lmfao
The most important thing to remember with the Manmelter is that EVERY SINGLE unlockable flamethrower has a downside to airblasting. The three you mentioned are obvious, but Dragon's fury also consumes a noticeable amount of ammo and takes ages to fire again. For helping out the team, its very very nice.
And yeah, it's made to deal with far away targets in a very effective way, unlike the other flares who are designed for combos. One flare can technically kill a light class if they don't get a health kit fast emough.
The Scorch Shot is also able to kill light classes in one shot if both hits connect, though I suppose the manmelter would be able to do it faster with its crit, giving less chance for the target to be extinguished.
Another benefit to combining the manmelter with the dragon's fury is that you can start off a fight with a quick 90 damage and 7 seconds of afterburn which you can then follow up on with the dragon's fury's increased damage. These two weapons work really well together but no one ever really talks about it.
One thing they could do to nerf the Diamondback is only able to use when undisguised that way you see his gun and maybe cut it down to 3 like the frontier justice, also damage falloff like the amby. There nerfed heavily.
Either that or reduce Spy’s health so that throwing the Diamondback on means turning yourself into a glass cannon.
Well, that, and to make comboing it with the Kunai make you squishy enough to fold over by someone breathing on you.
Just add crit fall off to the diamond back just like the Amby. It isn't that hard to nerf it. I don't see any reason why the diamond back doesn't have crit fall off but the Amby does.
just downgrade to minicrits and makes it last a few seconds so that you cant just farm tps and then go brr. Maybe give it a bigger damage penalty also idk the threshold enough to give a number but yeah.
@@Gensolink I second this. The whole design philosophy for the Diamondback was that it was supposed to be a bit of help breaking up aware pockets and other targets that aren't in the middle of their team but still being at least partially watched. The idea was that you could backstab a heavy and then pop the medic instead of going for the medic first and hoping the heavy wasn't paying attention. A tool to help spy prioritize better against teams that were communicating. Giving the crits/minicrits a timer would enforce that type of playstyle and reward moment-to-moment precision much in the way the Amby does. You get crits/minicrits on backstabs, sure. But now you're forced to capitalize on it immediately or get no benefit at all.
@@xatime2833 because they come in limited amounts, you can't become Sniper with an infinite amount of them, you have to go get them in MELEE
the diamondback nerf i personally advocate for is not letting it shoot without crits. force the spy into those more dangerous Sneaking situations without a gun to defend themself until they've already done the things. just adds to the risk to properly earn your reward, and those crits become a lot more precious, since every missed shot represents a risk you took and got no reward for
^This but also make it so if the Spy switches weapons he loses the crits.
"they just have to backstab" some players can't even do that, there's a reason why spy is called the weakest class, and even with the diamondback as an option, i prefer the reliability of stock, because opportunities are not coming in droves. That being said, i believe the weapon is THAT close to being perfect, just remove sapping for crit-rewards and replace the damage penalty with -50% damage on non crits and there you go, a gun that has huge potential combat ability with those precious 120. But outside of that short window, you might as well be without a gun with your 20 damage pellets
I find the Manmelter to work best with the Dragon's Fury due to its very long Airblast delay.
It's best used as a long range finisher or Fight starter, which is VERY good with the Dragon's Fury.
One smart thing with the FJ- always keep 1 loadout with it to switch to if you die or end up near spawn while your sentry is still up.
The Mannmelter combo disgustingly well with the Dragon's Fury.
Since the airblast on the DF has such a long cooldown, DF pyros often have to choose between reflecting projectile and extinguishing teammate as both can't be done as the same time effectively with the DF... The MM throw that hesitation out the window : keep the DF airblast for the projectile and extinguish with the MM.
On top of that, you can now "reverse combo" : instead of igniting with the flamethrower and then stinging with the flare gun, you know opens with the MM, and the 7.5s of afterburn makes it easy to take your time to aim your DF.
Even without a crit stored, the base 30 of the MM + the 75 on burning target from the DF deals a total of 105 damage (without counting afterburn). Add another DF shot and it's 180 damage... That''s a lot of damage.
With a crit stored, the initial combo deals a wapping 165 damage ! (90 + 75) And I didn't count afterburn yet.
Sure you have to fight the muscle memory of "first flathrower then flare gun" and replace it with "first flare gun then flamethrower", but once you get the hang of it, it's DEADLY.
Diamondback has no risk associated with the gaining of the crits.
Pyro needs to be near his teammates who are actively taking literal fire, putting himself on the line too.
Engi needs to lose his largest area denial and safe-zone creating tool, mini sentry or otherwise.
Spy just gets them for doing his job. I feel a parallel between that and random crits in general, tbh; if you're doing well, get more crits. If not, don't count on it.
perhaps a risk could be he isnt able to cloak until he empties his crits
Well, that's why Valve should've filtered the poll results on Jungle Inferno at LEAST by play hours. Tons of
If you're able to gain a good amount of crits for the diamondback then the enemy team isn't doing a good job to counter spies.
don't forget the dragon's fury slow airblast that only has 8 of them. points for using mollywhopped
2 ways to fix the Diamondback:
Crits only trigger when undisguised.
Disguise's weapon will also glow when holding crits.
Either one gives the opportunity for people to potentially react without completely wrecking the Spy's stealth. Also yeah, going back to crits only coming from saps would be good, then it would fit back into the "rewards a focus on a spcific aspect of the class/playstyle" weapons.
Spotted myself getting blasted off the tower at 11:26 😭
Even funnier that it happened right before the Diamondback segment, which is my main Spy weapon
LMAO I laughed so loud I woke up someone in my vc
I think a clip size reduction coupled with your disguise getting a crit glow on their weapon would make the diamondback mostly fine
Worth noting that the Manmelter makes a killer combo with the Dragons Fury, covers the airblast delay penatly and starting a combo with a crit Manmelter shot then a puff from the Dragons Fury does a stupid amount of damage in a small burst.
The sly cooper music in the back really adds to the vibe… thank you for thinking outside of the box with this one 😂 great vid, the music just made it better
Frontier justice: I give you crits for killing and destroying sentries.
Community: aww, what a good and balanced weapon.
Diamondback: I give you crits for killing and destroying sentries.
Community: hello? Unbalanced weapons?
I think both deserve a little nerf
Crit-Collecting Weapons have always seemed like a strange case to-
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I basically never play spy so take this with a grain of salt but heavily limiting the amount of the diamondback’s stored crits to somewhere between like 1 and 5 could force the spy to be a lot more careful with his crits
eh.. realistically having 3 crits makes you completely menacing to even heavies. When I play diamondback I rarely store up >5 crits since having such a store doesn't really do much. having 12 crits really isnt that different than 4 (if you're still playing spy normally, building a ton of crits than frontlining with your team could prove you have a point)
I agree the diamond back is silly it wasn't nerfed like the ambassador, but its not fair to say that a spy shouldn't get rewarded for doing his job's basic functions and needs a small tweak, but not a rework. The frontier justice yes has risks but it still does reward the engineer for doing his job, especially with minis which cost next to nothing. Or a better example, the bazaar bargain. It's a sniper rifle that rewards sniper for doing his job and getting pick headshots by letting him get more, and they aren't even expendable. The soda popper is arguably better than stock and it rewards scout with extra mobility just for getting meat shots, or the banners rewarding soldier for shooting people. Lots of weapons reward classes for just doing their job
Manmelter is great but sadly bad balancing tend to make 1 other option over picked, Frontier Justice is Good with both Teams being able to have counter play options for the crits, Diamondback can earn crits off building which is problematic and with no second downside like a halved clip or fall off, store crit spies can become an invisible sniper to anyone not named Heavy.
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soda popper giving scout mini crits for m o v i n g
One thing to consider about the balance of the FJ is that it's a shotgun. It's pellets might give him more leeway, but he is unable to effectively snipe with it like the DB. And having 3 shots really hurts when you have to individually load each shot. Between that and generally being at his strongest when he's at his most vulnerable (no sentry), and it has quite a bit of counterplay
if you want to get rid of the speckles in your sfm renders you can turn the ambient occlusion on the camera up (might take a bit longer to render tho)
Here is how you play Diamondback in a respectable way: use the Kunai knife. You are at 70 health, it will be very hard for you to do anything as a spy, so when you get that backstab kill then you earned the 1 crit and however health you have, and now it makes you want to kill not just afk players but kill anyone that you have the chance to backstab, not just heavy’s that don’t have game sense. Also now that can also eliminate just trying to go for sap’s Willy nilly and instead will force you to not just sap the building but kill the engineer as a double reward for your efforts.
It essentially rewards you for approaching a method of execution and carrying it out perfectly to allow you to be gun spy in between your stabs every time you have a decent amount of stored crits and health that isn’t completely drained because that’s also another thing: you will now have to choose to try and keep the high health going or to switch to gun and go crazy which most spy players that are trigger happy will make the easy mistake of doing just that instead of being patient, because once you are patient enough and store enough crits and you get that last kill from the backstab that gives you a lot of health, that’s when you can go crazy with the gun.
Now keep in mind that once you execute this plan you have to kill as fast as you can while also ensuring you land your shots, because now if you don’t, that’s a shot you missed, a backstab that you basically worked hard for if you aren’t snowball backstabbing (or are but in a really overcrowded area full of enemies) that you just wasted. Make. Every. Shot. Count.
i'm not sure how applicable this is in animations, as i mostly work with posters, but in sfm if you right click the viewport, select render settings and set depth of field samples to 256 or higher, you can reduce that grain seen at 2:00
8:40 I swear I didn't hear a single thing he said during that time because of the amazing performance
pyrite town right at the beginning, this is gonna be a good video
I do think that as far as reward-for-kill weapons go FJ manages to be the most inoffensive out of tf2's list. The core mechanics of shotguns prevent them from abusing the crit effect as much as the other two weapons featured here - flare guns are operational at any range, and as a single-shot burst of damage the revolver sees massive benefit from a critical shot, but as a shotgun the FJ still suffers spread and thus has an effective range, making it's upside far more reasonable. It's clip reduction also prevents even an engineer stacked with crits from being to careless - he has to aim and aim GOOD or he's going to waste 3 crits and then the other 7 thinking he could just walk into a soldier.
To add to the discussion around the Diamond Back, its current state is quite literally the result of an oversight by a single competitive TF2 player.
The Ambassador was nerfed because of Sigafoo, the founder of the RGL competitive league, specifically pressuring Valve to nerf it. While the Diamond Back has always been banned in competitive leagues. As a result, the Ambassador got nerfed to reduce Spy’s role as a sniper while the Diamond Back remained untouched as the less skill-demanding but equally rewarding sibling of the Ambassador.
Heavy mains on their way to literally never play heavy:
I have so much Heavy footage and NOTHING TO USE IT ON lol. The next video has Heavy I promise.
@@TealOpal lol, cant wait to see it
11:27 rip Noah TG
he messed with the wrong Texan
The Manmelter is my go-to for when I'm using the Phlog
Nothing worse than being kritted by a disguised spy. The diamondback is broken.
Keep playing the game! Subbed
I wouldn’t be using the man melter with the back burner. As det jumps are so useful for those back crits. It’s great with dragons fury tho :)
i love the diamondback. it's so great.
Nobody gave a flying fuck about the Diamondback for years until the Ambassador finally got nerfed.
My problem with the diamondback is that its easy to farm crits off of new engies/players and the fact that the cl_interp command exists still
cl_interp doesn't do anything for backstabs other than slightly adjust the visual cues locally. if you get facestabbed either a: unlucky gg or b: spy completely danced around you and made you look goofy. You can generally tell which shortly after fighting the spy again
Keep the spy on the right side of your screen. The backstab hit box is fucked, so he can stab your left shoulder, which is usually what they go for since it's really hard to actually fully get behind someone who knows about you. Playing Spy is mostly about cheesing the game, and knowing about this kind of stuff makes it much harder for them.
There are also ways to completely fuck over spies by messing with some game files, but that requires some explanation and UA-cam doesn't like it when you link stuff.
The cl_interp command is important for reducing input lag, as the default makes things less responsive but for the benefit of less issues at high ping. Now Valve might want to cap how far you can take it in the high end to keep and goofy looking stuff from happening though.
@@lopsidedpotato I love backing myself into a corner staring the spy down the ENTIRE time and somehow still getting backstabbed :3333
I think the way minicrits are handled right now severely limits weapon design potential. Imagine the Diamondback slightly sped up cloak and uncloak, had 3 or 4 rounds, and stored minicrits. It still massively improves Spy's range, and gives him a "finish off" niche, but makes his revolver even more unreliable in confrontations without the minicrits, and unable to spew more minicrits than the clip size in succession, which is exactly why it works on the Frontier's.
A lot of other weapons may benefit from minicrit downgrading, like the Phlog. It would do less damage on contact than the crits, while still being a fearsome sight, and since there is no such thing as crit afterburn, it would actually buff the afterburn.
In fact, I think minicrit could be considered a true middleground between crits and regular shots, so things like Vacc bubbles and the Battalion's could turn minicrits into regular damage, but turn crit damage into minicrit damage.
The Phlog isn't even remotely busted though. If you give it mini-crits instead of crits you have to give it back Airblast.
3:16 PLUS UNLIMITED FREE EXTINGUISHES! this thing bloody counters the Scorch Shot. lmaoooo
is it just me who only thought the manmelter was a worse flare gun but an extinguisher alternative with infinite ammo?
i think the ambassador should instead atleast remove the -15% damage penalty or the 20% slower firing speed or even just remove damage fall off
The Manmelter counters the Scorch Shot.
You know, the weapon that turns afterburn free and has your team run out of options to remove it?
Now with this little beauty, you can extinguish teammates without using ammo and gather tons of crits to kill the idiot spamming flares who has provided you the crits to begin with.
It not being that good unless there's an actively offensive Pyro on the other team is not that big of a downside. The Pain Train is pretty darn useful even though it only works on offense, you can just unequip it elsewhere.
I feel like the Mannmelter could be rework into a charge long range sniping weapon.
Cause it base aborb afterburn doesn`t come to play almost every situation.
Like how you used the pizza tower space song for the team fortress space weapon.
mans got me wanting to try out tf2 again lol
I wish they would make it so the manmelter would like be able to suck any debuff away and store it as a crit that way it was more applicable in multiple class diversities, that way it wasnt just a whole stat missing if 3 (but lets be real just pyro) isnt picked on the enemy team. bleed, mad milk, jarate would make it so it just has a few more use cases without being OP or changed in its base idea
Personally I think the phlog counts
you could call these the good the bad and the ugly
good = frontier justice
bad = mannmelter
ugly = diamondback
The Mannmelter is honestly fine but it was so easily overlooked and heavily relies on the enemy team having a pyro. Giving it a buff that could suck up all kinds of debuff would be nice.
The FJ is very balanced. It has its risks and its rewards cannot be overtly abused.
The Diamondback to me is although unbalanced is honestly not that bad. It is arguably the best Revolver only competing with the L'Tranger because of its cloak consumption reduction. I like it when I chainstab and then when get caught out i could at least have a fighting chance.
At least the crits need to be gained from getting close to people.
Unlike a certain class that can alt delete all other 8 classes from another planet.
If i were to rework it, i would make it so that it gives guaranteed crits for 2 seconds after a stab with a damage reduction where the crit deals 90 damage. This way it can keep being the weapon that could keep the action going without being too punishing to fight against.
The diamondback should not have gotten the "Crits on stabs" trait.
Ambassador should've never been nerfed. Diamondback is fine as is, and I don't understand how ambassador wasn't fine as is, only aimbots can consistently headshot from long range and at that point valve should do the same to sniper if that's the way they're going to justify it.
Gunspy was strong because of dead ringer, not sure why they decided to kill two items in one update, when nerfed dead ringer would put ambassador gunspy in check.
I mean, I saw ambassador spy gun duel someone today in close range, and he wasn't even using dead ringer, so I guess it's usable, but anyone who uses it is just flexing at this point.
I think the Diamondback just needs a heftier downside. A lower clip size akin to the Frontier Justice's would certainly do the trick. Fundamentally, the weapons are kinda the exact same; the Diamondback just isn't much worse than stock compared to the huge downside the Frontier Justice has. Whether or not dying to an enemy because your teammates are braindead and keep feeding them crits is a fun, well-balanced mechanic is its own conundrum, but ultimately I don't think the gap between them is as large in terms of design and mechanics as it is in how well-liked they are. If the Frontier Justice weren't such an old weapon that everyone has fond memories with that plays on the emotional attachment many (newer) players get to their sentries, I think it would be just as thoroughly disliked.
What if you could use the Manmelter's crit grabbing towards enemies as well. You could burn the enemy, unburn them, crit them and burn them, unburn them, rinse and repeat in an incredibly slow manner with the flame particles getting in your way. Has the same skill ceiling as the other flare guns, but now it can be a self-sustaining, self healing pseudo Dragon's Fury. Heck, it could even combo well with the Dragon's Fury itself.
And Engineer's not a Scout. He may be rocking crits, but he's not zipping around the map with them.
Here's my personal opinion:
Make every crit shot from the DB takes half the clip size to shoot and have a time gap between every crit shot,can't reload unless the clip is empty (which is after 2 crits are shot).And cut the reserve ammo in half.
And yes,I know.This opinion is kinda dumb.But it's worth to have some ideas
i feel like the diamondback isnt much different from the frontier justice at all. they both reward you for playing the class at the most basic level, doing the bare minimum to function on your team. i think spy's mobility is the only reason people hate the diamondback so much, its comparable to the frontier justice but spy isnt comparable to engineer. also i think if the dead ringer didnt exist no one would care about the diamondback at all.
Me personally to Nerf the diamondback, I would just give it the ambassador Kritz have damage fall off effect
its probably my graphics settings but i dont have the puff of fire when i shoot this
the manmelter is good but that's the entire problem. It's good while the other flare guns are great. Scorch shot is a far better poke/spam tool, the flare gun is far more consistent and the detonator has movement. The manmelter also relies on the enemy to do things, which is a similar reason as to why spy is terrible. if the enemy isn't doing something, regardless of how common that thing is, the weapon is always going to lack the consistency of its competitiors. the other flares all rely almost entirely on the user to get the value from them, you have to be the one to hit shots or spam the chokes or use the movement, as long as you're doing well, then the weapons will assist you in that. But you could be playing the best pyro you've ever played with the manmelter but you're still getting less done than an average game with the flare gun just because the enemy didn't pick pyro. Yes the concept of guaranteed crits on command is very powerful, but when you essentially have no control over when you have access to them, the weapon loses a ton of potential power.
If anything, the ability to extinguish allies on a secondary that doesn't consume ammo is more powerful than the crits, solely because it allows for teamplay while using primary weapons that usually sacrifice that for raw power.
also, the phlog technically also has 'stored' crits, just in a different way to the other three. i guess following that logic, the steak, cola and other crit on demand weapons are also 'stored' crits in a way
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1: you wouldve only 2 shot maybe even 3 shot that engie without the crit
2: a shotgun wouldnt have helped you when those "3 extra shots" only do 19 and the sentry and the sentry had 90 hp left over
3: the melee does more damage
4: cmon man you couldnt have just jumped on top of it?
Hey it’s me! Ah you probably don’t remember me. Anyway, I feel like the Diamondback should grant a duration of Mini-crits when the Spy gets a backstab, not storing any damage that he can use later. Like if yo7 stab a Medic that’s being watched by a teammate, you can stab the Medic and have a better fighting chance vs whoever caught you doing it.
11:48 Game Theory?
There used to be a bug with the Frontier Justice where you could get unlimited crits on all three of your weapons, you had to get 35 revenge crits then shoot while swapping weapons which was easy enough to do with the mouse scroll wheel then you primary and whatever weapon you switched to had unlimited crits. I used to do this with my strange capper to rack up kills on it
Is the phlog not a weapon that can store crits
The frontier justice adds more to engineers gameplay, the crits change how you play the class and demands different play, unique to engineer because if medic had something like you don't want to tell players to battle medic that hard. Blut more is a pyro ward not really battle medic. The weapon designs went from interesting alternate takes to 'you get thing' because other class has a 'get thing' thing. Shotgun = damage falloff too, glowing shotgun = fairness, shotguns are middling but decent weapons so the extra power isn't scaled into hell either, it just fits the class and the diamondback does not.
The manmelter just has it to be different from the others, it's ok, non-offensive but still rewards teamplay aspects pyro already has so it fits still.
I think the diamondback instead of crits should get 2x more reward but have the reward be attack speed, it's intended to be a way to assassinate targets or mostly to be where your knife fails, so it helps you shoot your way out instead of being a pocket awp, same design but way better.
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Scorch shot isn’t specialized, it’s generalized to the point where it’s specialized in everything.
Remove stickies like the detonator? it can do that. It can also kind of jump like the detonator.
Stun players on direct hit? Yup
Bonus damage to burning targets like the flare gun? Yeah sure why not, I think this gun clearly needs it
Instant f u l l afterburn regardless of direct hit or max falloff explosion? Mhm.
One shots scouts at full HP on a direct hit if they don’t grab health immediately? Yup.
outclassing every other secondary at their jobs for the cost of being very easy to use and also a spam tool that can make snipers uninstall as well as make all chokepoints permanently set the enemy on fire
Nobody in the world would complain about the phlog if the scorch shot didn’t exist… how do people exist who defend it
Anyways manmelter kind of counters the scorch because you can leech off of his free damage to get your own free triple damage flares so YEAH manmelter is the goat, it’s still an underdog but i don’t want it to change as long as scorch exists in its current state
What if the man melter could extinguish ENEMIES for crits?
That's just puff and sting again, get close to someone, ignite them with your flamethrower, then switch to the mannmelter and crit them after extinguishing them
@@TokyoDrift456 This. It would *have* to have a cooldown of some kind if you could extinguish enemies.
The frontier justice is really annoying to me. Getting punished for the gibus scout is just
votekick gibus scout after every time you die to FJ.
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why not turn the Diamondback into its original game's concept (Deus Ex Human Revolution)?
Rework is as follow:
+clip size increased on kill [up to 8 bullets loaded]
+25% increased damage
-33% clip size [you start at 4 bullets only]
-crits are reverted to mini-crits
this gun works similarly like the airstrike, for it'll get a bigger clip for each kills with the gun, punching harder every time...but don't think about getting crit-boosted for..it won't work on this gun.
That sounds fundamentally busted and a direct upgrade to stock, on the grounds that the revolver already as the fastest reload. You'd need to reduce the clip to like 1 bullet for that to work
Where is the phlogistinator it did fall in to this category
i hate using the diamondback not because i can't get any milage out of it but because it looks like ass (and i can't play spy very well) it literally looks like a toy
Manmelter lets you crit against pyros and crocodile snipers
which I think is the argument for it being the best?
but obv the other flareguns all have their own strengths
The hate against the diamondback has more to do with people hating spy in general than the weapon itself. Ambassador got nerfed because getting slapped for 102 damage from a non-critboosted weapon was irritating enough for Valve to do something about it. Getting slapped by a crit boosted weapon at range is more acceptable because crits in general deal more damage; think getting sniped for 90 damage by a shotgun. Getting rewarded for crits by playing spy is fine; plenty of spies can often fail to achieve anything, much less destroy an engie nest. Not to mention most of the time a spy won't have more than maybe 6 crit shots once the enemy team is aware of there being spies. Good luck keeping more than that against someone competent in spy checking. And the weapon still pales compared to stock in usefulness; diamondback is useful against idiots, but stock is better all around.
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The good, the bad and the ugly.
In my opinion, the Mann melter is balanced
People don't like spy because no one can spy check well :/
all it takes is spychecking you know
Diamond back is just hilarious to play with, 102 damage from anywhere with crits just amazing, love the weapon
I mostly use this weapon because the people i'm fighting are no joke, i we are stomping i'll happily switch to trolldier
That said nothing feels better than killing a pyro or soldier who just won't stop chasing you around, feels good when the bully gets bullied
@@bruschetta7711 honestly that's true, I just don't play spy very much, love to be a pyro main
A bit late, but one of the things i thought of at 3 in the morning was that you could make the diamondback like the old cleaner's carbine where you get 3 seconds of crits on a backstab, retain the damage penalty, and a reload speed penalty to make the choice to shoot more committal.
As a spy main, i can tell you that Dimondback is not really good and i dont get why people say its op..i guess its that people get mad when they get hit by a crit cuz you can hear it and just doesnt notice it when the spy doesnt have crits
I guess if people are that mad about it just do the -%50clip size so even less spies use it
There is a reason why you dont find the Dimondback spies a lot i rather use stock or L'Etranger with -%50damage than use it not because its powerful because its not
diamondback is far and away spy's best revolver. Considering the others you have reasonable sidegrades: l'etranger, ambassador, niche pick: enforcer. The l'etranger is the only one that has an upside when compared to the diamondback. The ambassador is just worse imo (as an ambassador main). The diamondback can allow you to straight up gunfight a heavy with honestly little risk. No other revolver gives spy the kill potential or survivability that the diamondback does (other than arguably l'etranger if you have lowering cloak affects). The situations where the diamondback isn't the clear best choice are rare.
Nah Spies that use Etranger are incapable of ever relying on the gun and just stick with using the knife, which is ok only until the enemy knows how to turn or has good pyros in the team
critz are an mechanick, id say they are balanced on evry wepon but the boom booms if im honest tho the direct hit shouldnt crit in my opinion
Man at this point we should just accept critical hits (except the diamond back) like cmon isn't it funny when you blow half of the enemy team with a crit rocket? But in all seriousness in casual play its perfectly acceptable to have random crits! And dont have random crits in competitive (if there's still people playing it) or play on a community server! After all we are here playing this 15 year old game just to have fun
Disagree with the diamondback part (my main spy weapon). It forces you to do your job for backstabbing and sapping buildings and rewards you nicely doing so.
@@Labyrinth6000 "Forces you to do your job"
Uh huh... no offense but backstabbing and sapping are things Spies do all the time? You're just getting free gun crits for doing the things a Spy should be doing, not forced at all
@@Labyrinth6000 rewards you for playing game like usual? Spy is powerful class until not noticed. but when he is, only thing he left with is 125 hp and revolver with maximum ramp up of 60 which isnt very pleasant situation. But diamond back just doesnt give damn "soldier with 200 hp and superior position facing me? Pfft like i care, i will now use crits that i gained from less experienced players without any disadvantage to two shoot you from any range" thats just bad weapon design that doesnt make your playstyle any different and punishes you enemies for breathing
i already accepted
Every time you mention how old TF2 is, I feel myself die a lil. Stop it 😂😅
Had an interesting thought for the diamond back. Remove the crit storing altogether and, instead, the gun does mini crits while a building is being sapped, but, new downside: sapping a building now breaks your disguise. Throwing in a health penalty or damage vulnerability probably wouldn't be amiss. Would force the spy into a more aggressive and risky play style to take out sentry nests. Could also make it so the spy can only sap one building at a time, giving him a pretty big tell for when he's trying to make a play with it. As an aside, this would also provide a viable use case for the red tape recorder.
I will say what I have always said.
If you don't like a CASUAL game feature.
Then don't play in the CASUAL servers.
Crit banning in comp is perfectly fine.
Stop forcing you no fun outlook onto everyone else.
Life ain't about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, laugh it off, and move forward.
Honestly I'd just give the Diamondback the Ambassadors critical downsides while cutting the clip size in half.
0:40 except they always do , 3X damage often removed interactive gameplay with how often it 1 shot
[man melter] can really be in a fine spot if it works as intended, means get rid of those feed back inconsistency
[frontier justice] is equivalent of kunai in casual complaint to me , actively punish opponent for having sub optimal teammates.
I'll say get rid of grant crit from self destruct
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I'll just counter argue for the sake of it , feel free to call me soy main .
Have any of you thought about ... Spy shouldn't getting "back stabs " or "sapping" for free and easily?
Spies are in your team's territory、melee range 、taking remp up damage . Omg , engineer (and he's team) should protect those building? No way😂
Fixing/balance should be displaying crit especially on disguise
don't appologise for the daimond back, that thing has needed a nurf long time ago
Cringe, it’s a shotgun tube, not mag or a clip.
Genuinely believe crit-storing weapons in general should just be reworked. No one likes to be punished for the mistakes of others and despite the Frontier Justice's favorable view in the community would be best to eliminate double standards.
An easy alternative would be to change them to grant Crit/Mini Crit status for X amount of time after fulfilling whatever the condition is. That puts them all slightly more in-line with stuff like banners, Hitman's Heatmaker, etc. Seems a bit healthier to require IMMEDIATE capitalization rather than just having it for whenever.
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I LOVE RANDOM CRITS! They make TF2 truly unique and distinct as oppose to other games. Anyone that doesn’t should play any of the thousand FPS’s that don’t have them.
So you think that random crits is the only thing that separates TF2 from other FPS games? That's kinda bleak
7,139 hours on the game and I fucking despise them, I'd rather kick someone's ass properly instead of relying on random crits doing it for me. It's unique alright, uniquely aggravating to deal with. Anyone who thinks rng crits was a good idea are masochists.
Indeed. Random crits is part of TF2's dna, removing them will only take away some of the game's charm and makes the game more boring and less unique.
He's a troll btw.
... random crits are what makes tf2 unique and distinct??? are we playing the same game?
Make the Diamondback a 4 shot revolver, or change the crits to minicrits and its fine.
Its not like the Engi doesnt get benefit for playing his class normally with the frontier justice. The Diamondback's issue has more to do with Spy's core design (you dont know hes there so everything he does feels unfair) than any issue with what it gives you crits for.