I don’t think the bear mistook them for anything. When a shark mistakes a person for food, they usually bite them once and then swim off, because they realize the person wasn’t a seal or whatever they thought they were. This bear ripped Timothy apart and kept eating him, and then did the same thing to his girlfriend. The bear didn’t mistake them for food. They were food.
Treadwell should not have been there as late in the year as he was. A lot of the bears he knew had gone into hibernation and those that remained were starving and had to eat a lot before they could hibernate and survive the winter.
Treadwell didn't run into poachers. He did that to help raise money for his vacation. He even took pictures of a friend carrying a shotgun and labeled the guy a poacher stalking a grizzly in the park even though the picture was outside the park and the guy was a tour guide that carried the gun for self defense. Treadwell was a con artist in some ways
There is no hunting in the park and those people in the film were not hunters they were on a guided tour and taking photos!!! He even interfered with nature and moved trees to look like hunters had been there !!! The guy was a fraud and had mental illness and had no business being there and treating wild animals like a child would treat a toy !!!!
The bear didn't mistake them for food. He considered them food. And shark attacks aren't all cases of mistaken identity either. They can be predatory quite often as well, which is demonstrated when they decide to consume the entire person, not just bite and swim away.
Timothy Tastewell was 1000% massively GAY. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that) Any man that has to declare out loud that “I’m for the ladies” has at least had one in his mouth at some point. 😐
What struck me about Timothy was his childlike view of the world. He talked to wild animals the way you would expect a child to talk to them, and attribute human qualities to them. Children often do that, they imagine that animals "talk" to each other in their own languages. While animals do communicate, they do not have language in the way that we humans do. He was childlike in the way that he imagined that these wild animals could be his friends, and that they would not harm him because of that. What a brutal awakening that must have been for him. I'm especially sorry for Aimee, his girlfriend, she wanted out of that situation even before she was killed.
That isn't correct...the bear that killed and consumed them definitely saw them as food. He was an older bear, he was in hyperphagia and desperate for calories. Driven by a biological need to get those calories, he definitely saw them as a food source. This is what bears do. Bears are opportunistic and he didn't have to expend too many valuable calories by killing a human because it's so easy for him to do that and it was right in front of him. The bear was simply trying to survive. It's a tremendous tragedy that two majestic bears had to be shot because of this. Timothy said he'd die to protect the bears; instead, he got two of them killed.
Absolute truth! Timothy was a failed human being who was putting the bears' lives and their programmes lives at risk by interfering with the hunting and gathering that was required for them to put on enough fat to survive the winter. Timothy's strange delusions got two of those bears outright murdered, and he put the whole club's future at risk by jeopardizing the reproductive adults lives. It is too bad Timothy didn't spend his time in a library, arcade or casino and leave the bears in peace. He might have even met a human friend or two. 🤔
Great observation, when I went camping on school trips they warned us to respect wild life but the tour guide also made sure everyone stayed within a safe sensical range away from anything potentially wild & dangerous, this man & his partner did the complete opposite
I was born and raised South Naknek Alaska in Bristol Bay only a few miles downriver from Katmai National park… we would go there for school biology trips etc… Timothy was living on borrowed time it’s truly a Testament to the fact that Grizzly’s Really don’t want to have Anything to do with humans and the damage he did to the bears by making them comfortable around humans in a park where Bears and People interact every day… That is how bears end up getting shot… when they lose their fear of humans and human habitations… and usually there’s no fix… no amount of moving the bears etc etc… they end up being shot.. Grizzly’s are some of the most amazing beautiful Dangerous creatures on the planet. People need to respect that and fear it and keep their distance… admire from afar without effecting their ecosystem…
He could of started a sanctuary for abandoned bear cubs if he really cared about them, I don't get why he had to follow around wild bears when they already protected there anyway. It seems like he just liked camping out in the wild
Treadwell did not have a love of bears bc he endangered them. Tim was obsessed with bears being his cuddle buddies. It’s amazing he survived 13 seasons. Treadwell harassed wildlife & I think he was feeding the baby Fox in his videos bc it would approach Tim & lick his fingers.
I 've watched this movie 4 or 5 times now. There's something endlessly fascinating about the whole situation. The delusion, the tragedy, the environment, and a guy who was clearly damaged in some way but honestly believed he was helping the natural world (insert "Well, he DID feed some of it" here).
Right, I've been obsessed with this Timothy ever since this came out back in the day. It's extremely fascinating to me. And I do love the way this doc was filmed!
No, habituating 1000-pound apex predators to humans in the wild is obviously stupid and anything but good for the bears (two died because of this moron.) His honest belief makes him not only a fool but a fraud, as he refused to take into account any needs or opinions but his own. There is nothing noble in this.
He was Bipolar Manic Depressive - diagnosed and given medication that would have balanced out his high/low pendulum swings but he refused to take the prescription. Many bipolars go through this exact same thing. Also a large percentage of bipolars have additional diagnoses like OCD or other behavioral disorders. They don't think there is anything wrong with them. They think they are just really upbeat sometimes and really want to sleep for several days and nights after that. They do however often self medicate with alcohol or other drugs. His girlfriend was tragic. She wanted to leave, couldn't stand being around the bears and was generally scared stupid most of the time. I honestly don't understand why the many authorities who continued trying to get him to change his behavior didn't just take him in on a 5150 and hold him for the required 72 hours when he could have been observed and medicated and hopefully that break in the hard core mood swings would have been enough to possibly get him balanced out. In my opinion he needed to be in an institution.
Well monohawk you are absolutely right about him being bipolar now,my ex girlfriend was exactly the same way when she went off of her meds now to.this guy needed to be admitted somewhere where he could get him some treatment for his mental health problems and conditions by far.if that had happened then this would not have happen and you and I would not be talking right now about it.and his so called girlfriend would have been alive right now to.my ex girlfriend when she went off of her meds all she wanted to do was clean her house back then from top to bottom with everything just plan spick and span.and then she would start the same thing over again after she had just finished up cleaning it.she did drink beer from the first thing when she wolk up until she went to bed day in and day out.with a cigarette in her mouth ever second.and she was just plan gorgeous and beautiful to,and ever body that knew her called her ol crazy tammy now.but when I got of our relationship because of this she would get on some big 1,2 and 3 week benders and call me to come and get her.and just because I was a friend still I did and took her back home.and then she wanted me to help her into her shower to get cleaned up,then set her fan by her bed so she could run it and not hear nothing,and then dress her for bed.then turn the bed down with all her meds on her night stand with a big glass of water and then she wanted me to lock her bedroom door and her front door to so she could sleep for sometimes days at a time.and then about a week later she would call me and think me for helping her out.i was just about the only one that she ever trusted and still does.but we live almost 50 miles apart now and don't see each other that offen any more.but she still calls me ever now and then.but being bipolar like she was is exactly the same way that this guy is acting.like tammy she needed someone around her that she could be with and talk to just the way he probably did with him now dead girlfriend.to me someone should have put a stop to this guys stupidity along time ago at least maybe him and her would be still alive today now!!!!!
Exactly. My mother, Father and Grandmother have similar disorders and even have the same mannerisms as he did. It was genuinely terrifying living with them as their kid in Alaska and hearing about Treadwell. When I saw his interviews I freaked out because he could be my mothers twin. For real!
Those weren't poachers. They were tourists, photographers and guides giving tours. It's a. National Park no hunting. Tim was delusional calling them poachers.
There are no "domesticated" bears. Wild animals can be tamed, but they don't want or need human company. They belong in the wild and are fully equipped to survive there. Keeping a wild animal imprisoned doesn't magically change it into a pet.
He wasnt an expert or a biologist, he had no awareness of why the bears showed certain behaviours or the science behind any of it. He tried to humanise them with names and gave out a lot of false on information on how to approach bears and be safe around them. Still impressive he lasted 13 years. Rip to all involved, including the bears
@@elykspuz6596 maybe if he had come out he would be alive instead of trying to kill the gayness by his outrageous ideas that he was one w bears, grizzlies no less and that he could live within close range of them.maybe, maybe not.still sad for aimee.
Herzog's "Into the Abyss" is a gem. In the center of this piece are 2 young men, both convicted on all 3 counts of 2nd degree murder one on death row, the other in prison for life but around these main characters are a lot of others and interviews with families, police, especially the correctional officers one in particular whose perspective evolved on what he could no longer do after a decade. But it's all fascinating and very moving too. Texas. I'd love to hear your discussion on this documentary...
He was a man of psychological ruin. This is what happens when people don't get the help they need, he was a kind but delusional man who met an unfortunate tragic end.
Don't fuck about wild animals. It's like those lion tamers who get killed because of a false sense of security. I have cat and I'm sure it likes me but sometimes it randomly attacks my hand and leaves me in shreds if he was my size I'd be dead. Don't mess with mother nature. U guys r gr8 and I find u both very relatable. Big shout out from Wembley
Not to sound insensitive, but that’s why I prefer dogs. Most dogs will never bite the hand that feeds them. I know cats are much easier to care for, but when I’m in a position where I can’t care for a dog properly and start to consider a cat, I remind myself that most cats are the way you described. Maybe not all, but I just don’t want to take the chance of falling in love with an animal that hurts me when they feel like it. I’d be stuck morally at that point with a “roommate” that wants nothing to do with me. Kittens are so darn cute though. If I did get a cat, it would be a Siamese. They are the most friendly. I’ve also met Orange male calicos that are super friendly.
Treadwell was an incredible bear behavior expert and camper. To safely camp in Grizzly country for 12 years is no joke. All that to say hia death was intentional, suicide by bear. He knew better than to stay that late into the season, or to leave food out, he did it on purpose because he hasn't prepared to go back to civilization.
Hey guys I love your reviews........I'm a traveling chef and last summer I went up to Alaska to a bear camp and lived in a tent for 3 months surrounded by these same bears we had 87 of them there with us and they are amazing beautiful animals it's one of greatest experiences of my life but you need to have a healthy respect for these animals and never forget they are wild animals in fact one rules we had was we couldn't name the bears ..........my point being is that this guy was delusional and I feel is fully responsible for his own fate
I really enjoyed this review, it was very well thought out and great to watch. I agreed with everything you guys said, but I do not think the tape should be destroyed. Timothy spent years with these animals, and he clearly loved them deeply. But he definitely was NOT safe, after all he literally stopped carrying bear spray a few months before his death. I feel as if the tape should be released so everyone can understand why as much as they love the wild, we CANNOT forget our humanity. Just because he was there for 13 years, doesn’t mean any difference to that hungry bear. I think this tape should be released as a cautionary tale. Something tells me Timothy would not want anyone else to go through a death as brutal and painful as his was, no matter how much he loved them.
38:06 ...Iain....they were on a preserve... the bears would have died from lack of food, or ate another bear and went to sleep. Timothy being there did cause the deaths. There would have been no humans. He wasnt blocking forestry or protesting saving land etc... timothy was going onto a place that was huge and set away from humans..
Great review of this fascinating man's life. Kudos to the two of you for being so respectful, it's a tragedy but at least he'll be remembered for doing what he loved.
There were NO poachers. Its sad but those people in that shot were fellow outdoors lovers. No way of knowing, but I took the notes as people simply trying to reach out to a man running around hiding in plain sight around them letting him know they meant no harm. Perhaps scared of the crazy guy and trying to diffuse the situation. This becomes clearer if you read the books "Grizzly Maze" or "Death in the Grizzly Maze"
I have urged so many people to watch this documentary over the years.Like "into the wild" this just gets into your head an lives with you for a long time.The boys have really nailed it,articulate,tonally appropriate,i think its one of the best they have ever done.Well done ian an gary...
Why a bear goes for the face is because when they fight each other in the wild they will try to disable or remove the lower jaw as a defence mechanism and I assume they do this with anything it fights !!!!
At least Steve Irwin was an expert his death was just a fluke it was'nt through lack of knowledge like this clown he was watching them for over a decade surely you would pick up on hungry bears and when to avoid them,this guy was deluded i was only in my teens and i found him rather creepy. I do remember watching this and i had forgotten all about it i remember now though how i felt by the end i could'nt care less to be honest,i found the guy annoying fair enough if he was there alone with his death wish let nature take its course you dance with the devil bad things will happen but he got a girl killed through his stupidity.
I don’t think you can compare the two. Steve Irwin probably took a lot of safety precautions. He would never say to a fly “don’t do that while I’m here. Have some respect” he respected nature. I feel bad that this man had mental health struggles, but I hope this is a cautionary tale for others. I also struggle with anxiety and mental health, and I found a love for hiking. So I understand how being in nature is healing, therapeutic etc. I have heard he was a recovering addict. However nature will always win. You have to respect boundaries.
Sorry to disappoint you guys but the bear swimming to the bottom to get dead fish wasn't the bear that killed them. Quincy the bear killed them. The bear that had bad teeth terrible coat and a baggy saggy bottom lip. That was oly. The 28yr old bear that Park service had prior knowledge of.
The main cause why they got eaten alive was the were still out on a time of the year when the grizzlies were probably starving and desperate looking for food everywhere. Past 12 years he always got out before this phase this time he stayed longer and it killed him. He could have done some great things if only he would have been smarter
Great review. I agree with Gary. Timothy appeared to be in denial. And he was stuck in his own head. So he thought living with bears was a good idea and yeah, giving them human characteristics. He was crazy AND he was living his life.
Timothy seemed like a good guy, but just fell in love with the wrong type of animals. It seemed like he was fed up with real life, and wanted to escape reality. It seems almost as if he was suicidal, he knew full well these animals were dangerous yet he refused to bring any type of bear spray or weapon to protect himself. A real man protects his women, he failed her. If he didn't care about himself, fine, but u gotta protect the people u love. He failed her big time.
She was there with the bears, chilling, on her own free will though, right? It’s been a while since I’ve seen the doc, so forgive me. But unless she was being kidnapped/held against her will by Timothy out there….it’s kinda on her too?
I'm glad that out of the tragedy Timothy got his moment to shine in Grizzly Man. Without Herzog nobody would've heard of him. It's sad he died, but for years he lived more freely than many of us. I don't believe he was of sound mind, but you can't judge him too harshly. Makes me sad watching this, but I'm so thankful that Herzog completely avoided anything surrounding the footage of his death out of sheer respect.
People would have still known about him. His video or audio of him and his girlfriend getting killed is one of the most elusive and sought after things on the internet.
@@dargis49 There wasn't any videotape of the bear attack. Timothy's ex-girlfriend says she will NEVER release the audiotape. Anything on UA-cam claiming to be the audiotape is phony. Besides, Werner Herzog listened to the tape, and if Werner Herzog tells you not to listen to that tape, then YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THAT TAPE.
I agree that the recording of their deaths should not be played for anyone. It would be a sickening exploition of a very real tragedy. Can you imagine if it was your family member?
I have it in good authority that Herzog wanted it in, and that Amie’s family refusal to grant permission, was the only reason it was not played in the movie.
@Rick_Cleland The act of filming himself listening to it makes my skin crawl. Outside the investigation team and coroner, anyone wanting to listen to 6 minutes of death cries from someone being eaten alive has to be a very, very sick person.
@@Master-n-Teachvirgo8557 Don't quote me but I'm pretty sure it was Bear 141, and then an adolescent bear who Tim didn't know about either. Tim was a moron. Poor bears.
Just finished watching that and it was bear 141. An older bear that was having a hard time getting enough food and Timothy camping in the maze - a crossing of bear paths - was not a bright decision. I feel sad that they died that way. An awful horrible death ! I can’t imagine being eaten alive GOD REST THEIR SOULS.
He's a fascinating person to watch because of the way he's a living breathing contradiction of himself in every way and it's sad but fascinating. I do wonder what his thoughts would be about this documentary to be honest. I imagine he would hate the world having seen the take after take after take and all the Captain Bear poses and think he'd be embarrassed - maybe angrier than when that fox nicked his hat and legged it. He seemed careful to conceal the fact he'd been hand feeding the foxes even though he clearly had cos they never came near without mouthing and nipping at his fingers. Made me wonder how much he tried kidding even himself about what the relationship was with these animals. The wild lighting fast mood swings were so sudden and raging they were gold. Hey...hey I love you. Yes, yes I love you” Three seconds later “Hey. Hey GIMME MY FUCKING HAT THAT'S MY FUCKING HAT!!!!!!!!” Then he breaks his heart over a bee that was doing his thing, busy as a bee... and then it died. It's beautiful it's tragic it's saaaaaddd... Oh. Oh - he's sleeping?!" He'd actually spent thirteen summers out there but was flummoxed, bereft and baffled by a bee I had to stifle the laughter in the cinema cos everyone else seemed to be appreciation the moment and beauty. Made those weird squeaky sounds when you're trying to contain howling laughter “Little fucker is having a kip... he's getting out the bugle and playing the Last Post it's a bee!" In all seriousness though Timothy flouted every rule, deliberately ignored and went out of his way to be a pain in his arse and placed the animals at more risk because of his constant petulant carrying on. I agree and have no desire whatsoever to hear that audio but did read the notes, drawings and reports from the site and it was a horrible, absolutely terrifying ending for Amy. Wasn't a pleasant picnic for Tim but that poor lass suffered. Can't like nor dislike him I just have a sense he was misguided, genuine but a tormented soul that had a lot of shit going on I don't think he'd have made him peace with if he had lived another 40yrs. Roll the credits and play the carefully chosen music that captures him best.. *Yooodup-poooooooduphooo*
Since they found the girlfriend buried, that means that the bears buried her, in an attempt to save her. for later consumption. Obviously, the bears were full from eating Timothy. smh Sadly, he went there to save the bears, but they ended up killing him and his girlfriend. As a result, those bears had to be killed. Talk about irony. Timothy may have loved wild animals, but he didn’t quite understand them or respect them for what they are, WILD animals. Anyway, great review guys. 👍 I just discovered your channel over a week ago, and I’ve been binge watching your videos. Your reviews are excellent, funny, and you two have a great rapport. You guys have earned a new subscriber.
I read that several of the bears timothy "helped" were euthanized bc they became nuisance bears bothering humans for food. In addition, several bears starved to death bc they went into torpor unprepared (again bc of feeding from treadwell) and starved to death.
The bear didn't make a mistake, humans are on the menu. Have been for 30,000 plus yrs just humans became smart enough to take themselves off there menu if you don't cross the line.
He set up his final camp on established bear trails where the bears had no choice bur to walk through his camp. He and his girlfriend were in their tent when the killer bear walked through their camp and he left the tent to confront it and the bear immediately began its attack. Had he remained in his tent and not confronted it he might still be alive.
They were photographers and their guide! Hunting is forbidden at katmai National Park all year round, which is were he was. He was “protecting” the Bears where Bears are already protected!
Please don’t lump Dian Fossey in the same category as Timothy Treadwell. They couldn’t have been more different. Dian was a zoologist, primatologist, conservationist, researcher, and writer. She did everything she could, including things she shouldn’t have done, to save the mountain gorillas. She, along with Jane Goodall and Birute Galdikas, did groundbreaking research of the great apes and are known as the foremost experts on mountain gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans. When Dian was in the field, there were 240 mountain gorillas left. Today there are about 1,000 and much of that success goes right back to the methods Dian Fossey originated to study different groups and habituate individuals, which opened the door for how the gorillas are managed today. Dian was a trailblazer and an amazing woman. She wasn’t killed by the gorillas, and neither were both Joy and George Adamson, who made famous Born Free, killed by the animals they studied. Joy worked with lions, a leopard, and a cheetah but was never harmed by any of them. George devoted his life to lions but was not killed by lions. Human beings killed Dian, Joy, and George, not animals. What Timothy was doing was not even close to this kind of serious study, research, and writing, and he had no qualifications to speak of to do anything at all with grizzly bears. His accomplishment was that he got two grizzly bears killed. BTW, nobody is creepier than the coroner.
I’ve seen Grizzly Man several times. It’s uncomfortable to watch, because Treadwell is so obviously mentally ill, and even more fascinating after the first time. because each time I watched it, I saw more nuances. Werner Herzog is a brilliant documentarian. Timothy was dangerously delusional. The Bears didn’t need his protection. I think he was probably bipolar because of his maniacal rants, and possibly had narcissistic personality disorder because it was all about him all the time. The biggest unanswered question for me is about Amy. She was afraidof bears. So am I. There is nothing in this world that would induce me to go and live in the wilderness with grizzly bears and a crazy man for months at a time. All I can say is Timothy Treadwell must’ve had something really special. More questions: why did Timothy stay so long? He knew the Bears hibernation patterns. He knew most of them had already gone into hibernation, and those who were left were ravenously hungry if not starving. If he wanted to die a tragic hero, why did he endanger his girlfriend who he supposedly cared about? She died trying to protect him. If she had run when he told her to, she might possibly have gotten away if she had a sat phone and could have climbed a tree and waited for rescue. Oh, and for what it’s worth, I don’t think Timothy was gay. Not that it would’ve made any difference.
I remember this now, as many of your subs have already pointed out - one of this channel's greatest attributes is the wide range of films you cover. This really is a tragic story.
@@commanderkruge its a tragic situation no? When you watch the movie you cant help but think about his death since the movie begins that way. *i like their commentary on the films they cover. Very informative. And they end all their videos with a clip they talked about and maybe a blooper. I like that
Love this film, always recommend it to people...its not like any other film. THANK YOU for doing an outstanding job of doing a review. I was so excited when I saw the thumbnail. Keep up the great work!
A difficult film to review. I thought the reviewers here did an admirable job. It was an honest, almost everyman assessment. With honesty. I think the film needed that approach.
Dianne Fossey, like Jane Goodall, was an actual scientist. These other people can be interesting characters, or pose interesting questions about...They belong in a different group though. They are not studying anything systematically. Even though there are movies about them, and they are all in the wild, surrounded by animals, not the same thing at all.
Dancing bears were primarily in India & Nepal. The practice has been virtually eradicated in India by a joint effort between Free the Bears (Australian-based) and IAR (International Animal Rescue). It's nice to know there are success stories. Basically, they went to bear owners (I hate the idea of someone "owning" an animal that should be free) & said, Give us your bear and we will help you find another means of livelihood. Then those poor bears get to live out their days in peace in a rehab center & sanctuary with other bears.
It should be eradicated , it's inhumane and brutal . I want to know more of these rescues please if u could tell me . It's one thing to love an want to be their voice for conservation and rightful treatment but this guy I feel was mentally crossing that line & not respecting the fact they are wild Animals .
The Alutiiq museum curator talking about Timothy breaking the NEEDED boundary of nature reminds me of the African actor from "Roar", Kyalo Mativo saying that his people don't "coddle" the wild animals used in the film. Also, out of curiosity, why was Jewel given Timothy's watch and not his parents? I know Jewel knew Timothy and Amy for 20 years but you'd think something like that would've been given to Timothy's parents. Did they decline the offer, seeing it s a reminder of their son's gruesome death? Did they think Jewel should have it instead of them?
In some ways... this is no different than people that do extreme activities. The sky divers that wear those squirrel looking suits.(forgive me, the name of the sport escapes me) They have an extremely high mortality rate, even admitting most of them will die doing so. Or just regular sky divers. Or, those people that climb buildings with no chord to sky dive off or just to climb. They all do extreme things jeopardizing their lives. It’s insane to those who would never do it for fear of dying. Those who choose that lifestyle feel they’re not living unless they’re risking their lives. You feel more alive when you’re continuously risking death.
I listened to the audio on youtube. I think people need to hear it cause theres a lot of people that still think like him and believe bears are living Teddys. Life isnt a Disney cartoon. Timothy was arrogant, so much so he had no tact when he verbally badmouthed wildlife specialists at that park who warned him of the dangers of staying after summer. No weapons either, not even in case of emergencies, even for his girlfriend. RIP Darwin Award OCT 2003
Treadwell didn’t feel like he was anybody in normal society, he didn’t fit in, but he felt like he was somebody important out in nature. He believed his own delusions and “reinvented” himself and made himself the star of his own show. He was a Recovering addict, and also still had some issues with being an adrenaline junkie. He replaced the drugs/alcohol w bears and nature.
That Audio that was floating around, claiming to be the real footage was super “Grizzly” and haunting, but I believe was proven to be a fake? Back a few years ago I ran across it. It sure sounded authentic, whoever did it.
The guy seemed like he meant well but he was clearly delusional. He reminds me of a lot of these rabid sjw types who are not or refuse to be based in reality and expect it to conform to their "feelies". They are ultimately dangerous to themselves and others.
Me: I NEED to hear that tape. Girlfriend: I don't want to hear it. Me: I don't want to hear it either, but I NEED to. I still don't want to hear it. You give great reasons for why not. Peace
I watched this film ( & loved it) not because I love nature, or bears but because I love documentary films & interesting stories. This movie is for people who love an interesting stories & you don't have to be a nature lover to enjoy it.
It is completely possible for a person to be mentally ill or injured an still be an asshole. They can be selfish, power-hungry, etc., just like people who aren't having diagnosable mental problems. This guy was an ass. His "love" for these bears was merely rationalizing his own sad need for unconditional love, which is itself a sign of rampant narcissism in any adult. He had no time for anyone else's opinion about what was actually best for the animals he claimed so much to love. Good riddance. The tragedy here is for the others affected, including the poor woman who was foolish enough to trust this idiot, and the two bears who got killed entirely because of him.
PS: He was feeding that fox, which was why it followed him around. No doubt he was feeding the bears as well. You do not want a 1000-pound predator to come looking for you when it's hungry.
How many times did Tim brought Amy with him in his expedition before their death? In the video it was stated that he has already made at least 10 summers of expeditions in that area. It was unfortunately that the last one with his girlfriend was a tragedy.
I don’t think the bear mistook them for anything. When a shark mistakes a person for food, they usually bite them once and then swim off, because they realize the person wasn’t a seal or whatever they thought they were.
This bear ripped Timothy apart and kept eating him, and then did the same thing to his girlfriend. The bear didn’t mistake them for food. They were food.
Treadwell should not have been there as late in the year as he was. A lot of the bears he knew had gone into hibernation and those that remained were starving and had to eat a lot before they could hibernate and survive the winter.
Treadwell didn't run into poachers. He did that to help raise money for his vacation. He even took pictures of a friend carrying a shotgun and labeled the guy a poacher stalking a grizzly in the park even though the picture was outside the park and the guy was a tour guide that carried the gun for self defense.
Treadwell was a con artist in some ways
There is no hunting in the park and those people in the film were not hunters they were on a guided tour and taking photos!!! He even interfered with nature and moved trees to look like hunters had been there !!! The guy was a fraud and had mental illness and had no business being there and treating wild animals like a child would treat a toy !!!!
The bear didn't mistake them for food. He considered them food.
And shark attacks aren't all cases of mistaken identity either. They can be predatory quite often as well, which is demonstrated when they decide to consume the entire person, not just bite and swim away.
Timothy Tastewell was 1000% massively GAY. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that) Any man that has to declare out loud that “I’m for the ladies” has at least had one in his mouth at some point. 😐
He looked like he should have been Jeff Daniels' stunt double in Dumb and Dumber.
What struck me about Timothy was his childlike view of the world. He talked to wild animals the way you would expect a child to talk to them, and attribute human qualities to them. Children often do that, they imagine that animals "talk" to each other in their own languages. While animals do communicate, they do not have language in the way that we humans do. He was childlike in the way that he imagined that these wild animals could be his friends, and that they would not harm him because of that. What a brutal awakening that must have been for him. I'm especially sorry for Aimee, his girlfriend, she wanted out of that situation even before she was killed.
The audio well the recreated audio is his screams wow
She should have screwed and left him there with his fing bears!
I could be totally wrong but from the clips I've seen of him,He seemed like he was on the autism spectrum
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That isn't correct...the bear that killed and consumed them definitely saw them as food. He was an older bear, he was in hyperphagia and desperate for calories. Driven by a biological need to get those calories, he definitely saw them as a food source. This is what bears do. Bears are opportunistic and he didn't have to expend too many valuable calories by killing a human because it's so easy for him to do that and it was right in front of him. The bear was simply trying to survive. It's a tremendous tragedy that two majestic bears had to be shot because of this. Timothy said he'd die to protect the bears; instead, he got two of them killed.
Absolute truth! Timothy was a failed human being who was putting the bears' lives and their programmes lives at risk by interfering with the hunting and gathering that was required for them to put on enough fat to survive the winter. Timothy's strange delusions got two of those bears outright murdered, and he put the whole club's future at risk by jeopardizing the reproductive adults lives. It is too bad Timothy didn't spend his time in a library, arcade or casino and leave the bears in peace. He might have even met a human friend or two. 🤔
I think it was 3 bears actually. One had nothing to do with the attack on Treadwell. The 3rd adult bear is hardly mentioned. I blame Treadwell.
Lol a bear will eat you anyway,
Only some are exception and even that is doubtful.
Great observation, when I went camping on school trips they warned us to respect wild life but the tour guide also made sure everyone stayed within a safe sensical range away from anything potentially wild & dangerous, this man & his partner did the complete opposite
Was it olly or big red machine that ate him?
I was born and raised South Naknek Alaska in Bristol Bay only a few miles downriver from Katmai National park… we would go there for school biology trips etc… Timothy was living on borrowed time it’s truly a Testament to the fact that Grizzly’s Really don’t want to have Anything to do with humans and the damage he did to the bears by making them comfortable around humans in a park where Bears and People interact every day… That is how bears end up getting shot… when they lose their fear of humans and human habitations… and usually there’s no fix… no amount of moving the bears etc etc… they end up being shot.. Grizzly’s are some of the most amazing beautiful Dangerous creatures on the planet. People need to respect that and fear it and keep their distance… admire from afar without effecting their ecosystem…
WELL SAID!
Owen Wilson could play him very convincingly in a movie
wow
Indeed he's a spitting image of him.
Wow. Lol
YES! WOOOOOOW
If only he could be eaten by a grizzly at the end too!
He could of started a sanctuary for abandoned bear cubs if he really cared about them, I don't get why he had to follow around wild bears when they already protected there anyway. It seems like he just liked camping out in the wild
Treadwell did not have a love of bears bc he endangered them. Tim was obsessed with bears being his cuddle buddies.
It’s amazing he survived 13 seasons. Treadwell harassed wildlife & I think he was feeding the baby Fox in his videos bc it would approach Tim & lick his fingers.
26:24 I'm pretty sure it was Timothy who carved those threats into the wood and not the poachers.
I 've watched this movie 4 or 5 times now. There's something endlessly fascinating about the whole situation. The delusion, the tragedy, the environment, and a guy who was clearly damaged in some way but honestly believed he was helping the natural world (insert "Well, he DID feed some of it" here).
Right, I've been obsessed with this Timothy ever since this came out back in the day. It's extremely fascinating to me. And I do love the way this doc was filmed!
No, habituating 1000-pound apex predators to humans in the wild is obviously stupid and anything but good for the bears (two died because of this moron.) His honest belief makes him not only a fool but a fraud, as he refused to take into account any needs or opinions but his own. There is nothing noble in this.
@@charlesfaure1189 lol thanks dude. Thats pretty obvious.
@@TheAnonigirl hehheh.
He was Bipolar Manic Depressive - diagnosed and given medication that would have balanced out his high/low pendulum swings but he refused to take the prescription. Many bipolars go through this exact same thing. Also a large percentage of bipolars have additional diagnoses like OCD or other behavioral disorders. They don't think there is anything wrong with them. They think they are just really upbeat sometimes and really want to sleep for several days and nights after that. They do however often self medicate with alcohol or other drugs. His girlfriend was tragic. She wanted to leave, couldn't stand being around the bears and was generally scared stupid most of the time. I honestly don't understand why the many authorities who continued trying to get him to change his behavior didn't just take him in on a 5150 and hold him for the required 72 hours when he could have been observed and medicated and hopefully that break in the hard core mood swings would have been enough to possibly get him balanced out. In my opinion he needed to be in an institution.
Hmm...I'd rather see him happy and living his dream for 13 years than locked in a room against his will. I bet he would agree.
Well monohawk you are absolutely right about him being bipolar now,my ex girlfriend was exactly the same way when she went off of her meds now to.this guy needed to be admitted somewhere where he could get him some treatment for his mental health problems and conditions by far.if that had happened then this would not have happen and you and I would not be talking right now about it.and his so called girlfriend would have been alive right now to.my ex girlfriend when she went off of her meds all she wanted to do was clean her house back then from top to bottom with everything just plan spick and span.and then she would start the same thing over again after she had just finished up cleaning it.she did drink beer from the first thing when she wolk up until she went to bed day in and day out.with a cigarette in her mouth ever second.and she was just plan gorgeous and beautiful to,and ever body that knew her called her ol crazy tammy now.but when I got of our relationship because of this she would get on some big 1,2 and 3 week benders and call me to come and get her.and just because I was a friend still I did and took her back home.and then she wanted me to help her into her shower to get cleaned up,then set her fan by her bed so she could run it and not hear nothing,and then dress her for bed.then turn the bed down with all her meds on her night stand with a big glass of water and then she wanted me to lock her bedroom door and her front door to so she could sleep for sometimes days at a time.and then about a week later she would call me and think me for helping her out.i was just about the only one that she ever trusted and still does.but we live almost 50 miles apart now and don't see each other that offen any more.but she still calls me ever now and then.but being bipolar like she was is exactly the same way that this guy is acting.like tammy she needed someone around her that she could be with and talk to just the way he probably did with him now dead girlfriend.to me someone should have put a stop to this guys stupidity along time ago at least maybe him and her would be still alive today now!!!!!
@@evabartlett4599 Hed be alive now you idiot instead of literally becoming bear shit
Exactly. My mother, Father and Grandmother have similar disorders and even have the same mannerisms as he did. It was genuinely terrifying living with them as their kid in Alaska and hearing about Treadwell. When I saw his interviews I freaked out because he could be my mothers twin. For real!
Half the people taking feel happy pharmaceuticals end up with suicidal thoughts. Magic pills aren't for everyone.
Those weren't poachers. They were tourists, photographers and guides giving tours. It's a. National Park no hunting. Tim was delusional calling them poachers.
There are no "domesticated" bears. Wild animals can be tamed, but they don't want or need human company. They belong in the wild and are fully equipped to survive there. Keeping a wild animal imprisoned doesn't magically change it into a pet.
He wasnt an expert or a biologist, he had no awareness of why the bears showed certain behaviours or the science behind any of it. He tried to humanise them with names and gave out a lot of false on information on how to approach bears and be safe around them. Still impressive he lasted 13 years. Rip to all involved, including the bears
Yeah I was amazed the guys said "he was an expert on bears" uh no
His Girlfriend should have told him it's me or the Bears I'll be in Malibu if you need to talk.
" he was charismatic and very gay "
Lmao
Flamboyant
@@mondoseguendo6113 He was definitely in the closet.
right i knew he had issues but now that you mention IT, THAT is the issue.
@@elykspuz6596 maybe if he had come out he would be alive instead of trying to kill the gayness by his outrageous ideas that he was one w bears, grizzlies no less and that he could live within close range of them.maybe, maybe not.still sad for aimee.
@@risksikrikak903 he was going after the wrong kind of bears.
Herzog's "Into the Abyss" is a gem. In the center of this piece are 2 young men, both convicted on all 3 counts of 2nd degree murder one on death row, the other in prison for life but around these main characters are a lot of others and interviews with families, police, especially the correctional officers one in particular whose perspective evolved on what he could no longer do after a decade. But it's all fascinating and very moving too. Texas. I'd love to hear your discussion on this documentary...
He was a man of psychological ruin. This is what happens when people don't get the help they need, he was a kind but delusional man who met an unfortunate tragic end.
6:44 I mean…my cat is pretty much my best friend and I don’t go gallivanting into wildcat territory. The man was just very ill.
Don't fuck about wild animals. It's like those lion tamers who get killed because of a false sense of security. I have cat and I'm sure it likes me but sometimes it randomly attacks my hand and leaves me in shreds if he was my size I'd be dead. Don't mess with mother nature.
U guys r gr8 and I find u both very relatable. Big shout out from Wembley
Not to sound insensitive, but that’s why I prefer dogs. Most dogs will never bite the hand that feeds them. I know cats are much easier to care for, but when I’m in a position where I can’t care for a dog properly and start to consider a cat, I remind myself that most cats are the way you described. Maybe not all, but I just don’t want to take the chance of falling in love with an animal that hurts me when they feel like it. I’d be stuck morally at that point with a “roommate” that wants nothing to do with me. Kittens are so darn cute though. If I did get a cat, it would be a Siamese. They are the most friendly. I’ve also met Orange male calicos that are super friendly.
Treadwell was an incredible bear behavior expert and camper. To safely camp in Grizzly country for 12 years is no joke.
All that to say hia death was intentional, suicide by bear. He knew better than to stay that late into the season, or to leave food out, he did it on purpose because he hasn't prepared to go back to civilization.
Hey guys I love your reviews........I'm a traveling chef and last summer I went up to Alaska to a bear camp and lived in a tent for 3 months surrounded by these same bears we had 87 of them there with us and they are amazing beautiful animals it's one of greatest experiences of my life but you need to have a healthy respect for these animals and never forget they are wild animals in fact one rules we had was we couldn't name the bears ..........my point being is that this guy was delusional and I feel is fully responsible for his own fate
and partly for the death of aimee who i read was nervous and didn't want to be there.i'm sad for her and her family.
Well, I would like to hear the tape.
I really enjoyed this review, it was very well thought out and great to watch. I agreed with everything you guys said, but I do not think the tape should be destroyed. Timothy spent years with these animals, and he clearly loved them deeply. But he definitely was NOT safe, after all he literally stopped carrying bear spray a few months before his death. I feel as if the tape should be released so everyone can understand why as much as they love the wild, we CANNOT forget our humanity. Just because he was there for 13 years, doesn’t mean any difference to that hungry bear. I think this tape should be released as a cautionary tale. Something tells me Timothy would not want anyone else to go through a death as brutal and painful as his was, no matter how much he loved them.
Kit Cat the one on you tube is fake.
38:06 ...Iain....they were on a preserve... the bears would have died from lack of food, or ate another bear and went to sleep. Timothy being there did cause the deaths. There would have been no humans. He wasnt blocking forestry or protesting saving land etc... timothy was going onto a place that was huge and set away from humans..
It has happened recently that hunters in that region in kodiak were ambushed and almost killed by a large grizzly
Great review of this fascinating man's life. Kudos to the two of you for being so respectful, it's a tragedy but at least he'll be remembered for doing what he loved.
There were NO poachers. Its sad but those people in that shot were fellow outdoors lovers. No way of knowing, but I took the notes as people simply trying to reach out to a man running around hiding in plain sight around them letting him know they meant no harm. Perhaps scared of the crazy guy and trying to diffuse the situation. This becomes clearer if you read the books "Grizzly Maze" or "Death in the Grizzly Maze"
Warner Herzog is a genius filmmaker
I have urged so many people to watch this documentary over the years.Like "into the wild" this just gets into your head an lives with you for a long time.The boys have really nailed it,articulate,tonally appropriate,i think its one of the best they have ever done.Well done ian an gary...
Why a bear goes for the face is because when they fight each other in the wild they will try to disable or remove the lower jaw as a defence mechanism and I assume they do this with anything it fights !!!!
This is one of the best documentaries that I have ever seen.
At least Steve Irwin was an expert his death was just a fluke it was'nt through lack of knowledge like this clown he was watching them for over a decade surely you would pick up on hungry bears and when to avoid them,this guy was deluded i was only in my teens and i found him rather creepy.
I do remember watching this and i had forgotten all about it i remember now though how i felt by the end i could'nt care less to be honest,i found the guy annoying fair enough if he was there alone with his death wish let nature take its course you dance with the devil bad things will happen but he got a girl killed through his stupidity.
I don’t think you can compare the two. Steve Irwin probably took a lot of safety precautions. He would never say to a fly “don’t do that while I’m here. Have some respect” he respected nature. I feel bad that this man had mental health struggles, but I hope this is a cautionary tale for others. I also struggle with anxiety and mental health, and I found a love for hiking. So I understand how being in nature is healing, therapeutic etc. I have heard he was a recovering addict. However nature will always win. You have to respect boundaries.
Really annoyed me when they tried to make a comparison.
Great review as always. So glad you've gained so much subscribers. Absolutely deserved!
Sorry to disappoint you guys but the bear swimming to the bottom to get dead fish wasn't the bear that killed them. Quincy the bear killed them. The bear that had bad teeth terrible coat and a baggy saggy bottom lip. That was oly. The 28yr old bear that Park service had prior knowledge of.
The main cause why they got eaten alive was the were still out on a time of the year when the grizzlies were probably starving and desperate looking for food everywhere. Past 12 years he always got out before this phase this time he stayed longer and it killed him. He could have done some great things if only he would have been smarter
Great review. I agree with Gary. Timothy appeared to be in denial. And he was stuck in his own head. So he thought living with bears was a good idea and yeah, giving them human characteristics. He was crazy AND he was living his life.
i love herzog for the comment on the dignity of the deceased.
Fantastic review, unexpected to see a documentary on the channel! 👊 Highly enjoyed it, keep on working hard fellas!!
Timothy seemed like a good guy, but just fell in love with the wrong type of animals. It seemed like he was fed up with real life, and wanted to escape reality. It seems almost as if he was suicidal, he knew full well these animals were dangerous yet he refused to bring any type of bear spray or weapon to protect himself.
A real man protects his women, he failed her. If he didn't care about himself, fine, but u gotta protect the people u love. He failed her big time.
She was there with the bears, chilling, on her own free will though, right? It’s been a while since I’ve seen the doc, so forgive me. But unless she was being kidnapped/held against her will by Timothy out there….it’s kinda on her too?
I'm glad that out of the tragedy Timothy got his moment to shine in Grizzly Man. Without Herzog nobody would've heard of him. It's sad he died, but for years he lived more freely than many of us. I don't believe he was of sound mind, but you can't judge him too harshly. Makes me sad watching this, but I'm so thankful that Herzog completely avoided anything surrounding the footage of his death out of sheer respect.
People would have still known about him. His video or audio of him and his girlfriend getting killed is one of the most elusive and sought after things on the internet.
@@dargis49 There wasn't any videotape of the bear attack. Timothy's ex-girlfriend says she will NEVER release the audiotape. Anything on UA-cam claiming to be the audiotape is phony. Besides, Werner Herzog listened to the tape, and if Werner Herzog tells you not to listen to that tape, then YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THAT TAPE.
I agree that the recording of their deaths should not be played for anyone. It would be a sickening exploition of a very real tragedy. Can you imagine if it was your family member?
I have it in good authority that Herzog wanted it in, and that Amie’s family refusal to grant permission, was the only reason it was not played in the movie.
@@igadiz that sucks... i really wanna hear that audio
@@igadiz Shame.
@Rick_Cleland The act of filming himself listening to it makes my skin crawl. Outside the investigation team and coroner, anyone wanting to listen to 6 minutes of death cries from someone being eaten alive has to be a very, very sick person.
@@igadiz Yes.
I was thankful that he did not include the audio. Once you hear something like that, you can't unhear it.
Ummm ... Timothy left the Blair Witch notes probably
I heard they had to kill Mr chocolate the bear because he just was walking up to people because of his interaction with Timothy the goat Treadwell 🐐
True. Not just him..
Mr Chocolate wasn’t the one that was killed?
@@greatestnitemare6626 who was than👀👂
@@Master-n-Teachvirgo8557 Don't quote me but I'm pretty sure it was Bear 141, and then an adolescent bear who Tim didn't know about either.
Tim was a moron. Poor bears.
Just finished watching that and it was bear 141. An older bear that was having a hard time getting enough food and Timothy camping in the maze - a crossing of bear paths - was not a bright decision. I feel sad that they died that way. An awful horrible death ! I can’t imagine being eaten alive GOD REST THEIR SOULS.
He's a fascinating person to watch because of the way he's a living breathing contradiction of himself in every way and it's sad but fascinating.
I do wonder what his thoughts would be about this documentary to be honest. I imagine he would hate the world having seen the take after take after take and all the Captain Bear poses and think he'd be embarrassed - maybe angrier than when that fox nicked his hat and legged it. He seemed careful to conceal the fact he'd been hand feeding the foxes even though he clearly had cos they never came near without mouthing and nipping at his fingers. Made me wonder how much he tried kidding even himself about what the relationship was with these animals.
The wild lighting fast mood swings were so sudden and raging they were gold. Hey...hey I love you. Yes, yes I love you” Three seconds later “Hey. Hey GIMME MY FUCKING HAT THAT'S MY FUCKING HAT!!!!!!!!”
Then he breaks his heart over a bee that was doing his thing, busy as a bee... and then it died. It's beautiful it's tragic it's saaaaaddd... Oh. Oh - he's sleeping?!"
He'd actually spent thirteen summers out there but was flummoxed, bereft and baffled by a bee I had to stifle the laughter in the cinema cos everyone else seemed to be appreciation the moment and beauty. Made those weird squeaky sounds when you're trying to contain howling laughter “Little fucker is having a kip... he's getting out the bugle and playing the Last Post it's a bee!"
In all seriousness though Timothy flouted every rule, deliberately ignored and went out of his way to be a pain in his arse and placed the animals at more risk because of his constant petulant carrying on. I agree and have no desire whatsoever to hear that audio but did read the notes, drawings and reports from the site and it was a horrible, absolutely terrifying ending for Amy. Wasn't a pleasant picnic for Tim but that poor lass suffered.
Can't like nor dislike him I just have a sense he was misguided, genuine but a tormented soul that had a lot of shit going on I don't think he'd have made him peace with if he had lived another 40yrs.
Roll the credits and play the carefully chosen music that captures him best..
*Yooodup-poooooooduphooo*
Since they found the girlfriend buried, that means that the bears buried her, in an attempt to save her. for later consumption. Obviously, the bears were full from eating Timothy. smh Sadly, he went there to save the bears, but they ended up killing him and his girlfriend. As a result, those bears had to be killed. Talk about irony. Timothy may have loved wild animals, but he didn’t quite understand them or respect them for what they are, WILD animals. Anyway, great review guys. 👍 I just discovered your channel over a week ago, and I’ve been binge watching your videos. Your reviews are excellent, funny, and you two have a great rapport. You guys have earned a new subscriber.
I read that several of the bears timothy "helped" were euthanized bc they became nuisance bears bothering humans for food. In addition, several bears starved to death bc they went into torpor unprepared (again bc of feeding from treadwell) and starved to death.
Those animals did not need him. They were in a park protected by rangers. He got them killed
i'm sad for aimee.i read where she didn't really want to be there.she was nervous.
I remember reading about their deaths a while back. It always chilled me.
The bear didn't make a mistake, humans are on the menu. Have been for 30,000 plus yrs just humans became smart enough to take themselves off there menu if you don't cross the line.
Better call Gordon Ramsay.
If it’s hungry everything is on the menu !!!!!
He set up his final camp on established bear trails where the bears had no choice bur to walk through his camp. He and his girlfriend were in their tent when the killer bear walked through their camp and he left the tent to confront it and the bear immediately began its attack. Had he remained in his tent and not confronted it he might still be alive.
HE DID NOT CONFRONT THE BEAR WHO KILLED HIM, IT TORE THE TENT OPEN. ITS ON VIDEO HE LEFT RUNNING.
Listening to even 90 seconds of the audio had me shaken for a full day.
The audio was never released. The so-called audio you can find online is a hoax. Very realistic sounding though.
That audio was so obviously fake! You didn’t hear anything from the real audio
The people taunting Timothy weren't poachers. They were hunting guides.
They were photographers and their guide! Hunting is forbidden at katmai National Park all year round, which is were he was. He was “protecting” the Bears where Bears are already protected!
He died for his bears alright and got his girlfriend killed in the process.
I don't agree that it should be destroyed. If anything it should be played for everybody that wants to try to replicate this Behavior
I think people have tried to do that without hearing the audio.
@Kit Cat No it's not. That audio is fake
@Kit Cat You obviously did not watch the film.
I think the rainstorm was God telling Timothy, "You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test." Mathew 4:7
Please don’t lump Dian Fossey in the same category as Timothy Treadwell. They couldn’t have been more different.
Dian was a zoologist, primatologist, conservationist, researcher, and writer. She did everything she could, including things she shouldn’t have done, to save the mountain gorillas. She, along with Jane Goodall and Birute Galdikas, did groundbreaking research of the great apes and are known as the foremost experts on mountain gorillas, chimpanzees, and orangutans.
When Dian was in the field, there were 240 mountain gorillas left. Today there are about 1,000 and much of that success goes right back to the methods Dian Fossey originated to study different groups and habituate individuals, which opened the door for how the gorillas are managed today. Dian was a trailblazer and an amazing woman.
She wasn’t killed by the gorillas, and neither were both Joy and George Adamson, who made famous Born Free, killed by the animals they studied. Joy worked with lions, a leopard, and a cheetah but was never harmed by any of them. George devoted his life to lions but was not killed by lions. Human beings killed Dian, Joy, and George, not animals.
What Timothy was doing was not even close to this kind of serious study, research, and writing, and he had no qualifications to speak of to do anything at all with grizzly bears. His accomplishment was that he got two grizzly bears killed.
BTW, nobody is creepier than the coroner.
He was *[ Eaten Alive ]*
I guess that sounds like Happily Ever After
This is an analysis of the actual film. Filmmaking is the topic here.
I’ve seen Grizzly Man several times. It’s uncomfortable to watch, because Treadwell is so obviously mentally ill, and even more fascinating after the first time. because each time I watched it, I saw more nuances. Werner Herzog is a brilliant documentarian. Timothy was dangerously delusional. The Bears didn’t need his protection. I think he was probably bipolar because of his maniacal rants, and possibly had narcissistic personality disorder because it was all about him all the time. The biggest unanswered question for me is about Amy. She was afraidof bears. So am I. There is nothing in this world that would induce me to go and live in the wilderness with grizzly bears and a crazy man for months at a time. All I can say is Timothy Treadwell must’ve had something really special. More questions: why did Timothy stay so long? He knew the Bears hibernation patterns. He knew most of them had already gone into hibernation, and those who were left were ravenously hungry if not starving. If he wanted to die a tragic hero, why did he endanger his girlfriend who he supposedly cared about? She died trying to protect him. If she had run when he told her to, she might possibly have gotten away if she had a sat phone and could have climbed a tree and waited for rescue. Oh, and for what it’s worth, I don’t think Timothy was gay. Not that it would’ve made any difference.
I remember this now, as many of your subs have already pointed out - one of this channel's greatest attributes is the wide range of films you cover. This really is a tragic story.
Tragic? Have you seen the movie?
@@commanderkruge its a tragic situation no? When you watch the movie you cant help but think about his death since the movie begins that way.
*i like their commentary on the films they cover. Very informative. And they end all their videos with a clip they talked about and maybe a blooper. I like that
He Tried to Be the Bob Ross of the Wilderness Apparently he Didn't Understand How the Universe Works .
Love this film, always recommend it to people...its not like any other film. THANK YOU for doing an outstanding job of doing a review. I was so excited when I saw the thumbnail. Keep up the great work!
Great video, guys! I really love this movie, and it was good to hear your takes.
Wasn’t that Werner Herzog in the movie Jack Reacher?
Yup.
He wanted to be one with the bear. That’s what he got. He also got bears killed because of his hubris
A difficult film to review. I thought the reviewers here did an admirable job. It was an honest, almost everyman assessment. With honesty. I think the film needed that approach.
GET THE FRYING PAN!!!!!!
Think about all those kids who later heard about Mr. Timothy getting eaten.
What kids?
Good lesson there
@@susanbishop5349 He chose the bear...
Dianne Fossey, like Jane Goodall, was an actual scientist. These other people can be interesting characters, or pose interesting questions about...They belong in a different group though. They are not studying anything systematically. Even though there are movies about them, and they are all in the wild, surrounded by animals, not the same thing at all.
I think he was the one who left the messages. To make it seem like he was very important.
What a grisly death...
*_Grizzly.**_*
I think Grizzly Man & Into The Wild would make a good double bill
Are you from Ireland?
Dancing bears were primarily in India & Nepal. The practice has been virtually eradicated in India by a joint effort between Free the Bears (Australian-based) and IAR (International Animal Rescue). It's nice to know there are success stories. Basically, they went to bear owners (I hate the idea of someone "owning" an animal that should be free) & said, Give us your bear and we will help you find another means of livelihood. Then those poor bears get to live out their days in peace in a rehab center & sanctuary with other bears.
It should be eradicated , it's inhumane and brutal . I want to know more of these rescues please if u could tell me . It's one thing to love an want to be their voice for conservation and rightful treatment but this guy I feel was mentally crossing that line & not respecting the fact they are wild Animals .
Excellent review fellas!!!👍
The Alutiiq museum curator talking about Timothy breaking the NEEDED boundary of nature reminds me of the African actor from "Roar", Kyalo Mativo saying that his people don't "coddle" the wild animals used in the film.
Also, out of curiosity, why was Jewel given Timothy's watch and not his parents? I know Jewel knew Timothy and Amy for 20 years but you'd think something like that would've been given to Timothy's parents. Did they decline the offer, seeing it s a reminder of their son's gruesome death? Did they think Jewel should have it instead of them?
That bear fight was brutal. During the battle, one of the bears bit his own tongue off!
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Bit his own tongue off?? Damn!
Yeah brown bears go for the lower jaw of their victims in a disarming technique
In some ways... this is no different than people that do extreme activities. The sky divers that wear those squirrel looking suits.(forgive me, the name of the sport escapes me) They have an extremely high mortality rate, even admitting most of them will die doing so. Or just regular sky divers. Or, those people that climb buildings with no chord to sky dive off or just to climb. They all do extreme things jeopardizing their lives. It’s insane to those who would never do it for fear of dying. Those who choose that lifestyle feel they’re not living unless they’re risking their lives. You feel more alive when you’re continuously risking death.
I listened to the audio on youtube.
I think people need to hear it cause theres a lot of people that still think like him and believe bears are living Teddys. Life isnt a Disney cartoon.
Timothy was arrogant, so much so he had no tact when he verbally badmouthed wildlife specialists at that park who warned him of the dangers of staying after summer. No weapons either, not even in case of emergencies, even for his girlfriend. RIP
Darwin Award OCT 2003
The UA-cam audio is fake. There is nowhere to hear the real audio.
The Huntster
His ex says it’s the one she released.
@@HeilRay she has never released it fortunately/unfortunately. Promise you mate it’s fake 👍
@@HeilRay The Huntster is correct. Jewel hasn't released the tape, and she says she never will. It's in a safety deposit box in a bank.
@@mariakelly1059
I’ll believe it when we see it.
does the guy on the left plays the bass? I need to know
Interesting choice guys. Really wanted to see this film for a while. I shall enjoy this review.
Treadwell didn’t feel like he was anybody in normal society, he didn’t fit in, but he felt like he was somebody important out in nature. He believed his own delusions and “reinvented” himself and made himself the star of his own show. He was a Recovering addict, and also still had some issues with being an adrenaline junkie. He replaced the drugs/alcohol w bears and nature.
That Audio that was floating around, claiming to be the real footage was super “Grizzly” and haunting, but I believe was proven to be a fake? Back a few years ago I ran across it. It sure sounded authentic, whoever did it.
That's the point lol. It's not trolling if you seem fake.
@@buster3041 Thanks for that titillating and virtually unknown revelation from you, there.
@@jakepayne2985 Well every ignorant person who finds that audio falls for the troll very easily. Like it was intended.
I think that it's real tbh
I cannot find any interviews of Tim on television. They must have all been removed.
If anybody enjoyed this you should check out The Man Who Swims With Crocodiles. One of the best documentarys I've ever watched, really good.
One of y'allz best reviews
Great review guys OTSR 👊👊
The guy seemed like he meant well but he was clearly delusional. He reminds me of a lot of these rabid sjw types who are not or refuse to be based in reality and expect it to conform to their "feelies". They are ultimately dangerous to themselves and others.
Werner Herzog is great.
The man is a genius! I love his documentaries.
Me: I NEED to hear that tape.
Girlfriend: I don't want to hear it.
Me: I don't want to hear it either, but I NEED to.
I still don't want to hear it. You give great reasons for why not.
Peace
@Kit Cat Fake.
@@mylittlebuckaroo is it seriously? Good to know
@@krystalchavez7334 yes...it’s fake.
The song at the end is so haunting 😢
I honestly watch and enjoy your reviews more than i do actual movies. Thanks for another great video guys! When's the next podcast?
This Saturday the next podcast will go up :)
I watched this film ( & loved it) not because I love nature, or bears but because I love documentary films & interesting stories. This movie is for people who love an interesting stories & you don't have to be a nature lover to enjoy it.
What I heard was that the chronology was not respected at all , and he was not getting crazier he was getting better .
Richard Thompsons Guitar Playing certainily added to the movie!
It is completely possible for a person to be mentally ill or injured an still be an asshole. They can be selfish, power-hungry, etc., just like people who aren't having diagnosable mental problems. This guy was an ass. His "love" for these bears was merely rationalizing his own sad need for unconditional love, which is itself a sign of rampant narcissism in any adult. He had no time for anyone else's opinion about what was actually best for the animals he claimed so much to love. Good riddance. The tragedy here is for the others affected, including the poor woman who was foolish enough to trust this idiot, and the two bears who got killed entirely because of him.
PS: He was feeding that fox, which was why it followed him around. No doubt he was feeding the bears as well. You do not want a 1000-pound predator to come looking for you when it's hungry.
This film should be called Dunning Kruger, the motion picture.
How many times did Tim brought Amy with him in his expedition before their death? In the video it was stated that he has already made at least 10 summers of expeditions in that area. It was unfortunately that the last one with his girlfriend was a tragedy.
3 times.
Delusional period. Meds were needed here, and I guess Amy was living in her own denial . Sad situation nonetheless.