Raise your elbow as high as possible when drawing back and draw in a downward motion to engage your traps and lats instead of just your delts! You will immediately feel the difference!
PSA: everyone please consider where you are aiming while drawing your bow. Really at any time you have an arrow on the string, it should only be pointed at the ground or better, the target. Even with a trigger release, accidents happen, and with a high poundage compound a sky draw could send that arrow farther than you imagine. I see this a lot when people use a bow that has too high of a draw weight and they can't naturally draw. Not a rant, just want us archers to be careful and respectful of the people and property around us. Anyway, glad to see you having a lot of fun out there.
@@OutdoorsAllie Thanks for reading! I have had problems at our local club and have heard similar problems from others online. I dont want any club to have to shut down due to a stray arrow. Stay safe out there
Allie ..I’m impressed with your presentation, articulation, ability to communicate with your followers etc . I really liked your video on cutting up a deers rear leg quarter..It’s a chore getting by the silver skin. I have a little knowledge in archery like I’ve been shooting since I’ve been 10 years old. Now that I’m 87 I look 👀 back at past state, regional and national Championships of which I’ve won … Instinctive, 3 fingers under , then compound and presently my crossbow.With over 💯 whitetail deer harvested.. I have shot with World class champion Ann Weber Hoyt and Howard Hill..I’ve been an Olympic Archery Coach ..part 2->
For accuracy in changing bow poundage, try using a silver pen to put witness marks on the limb bolts so you know when you've made one complete revolution.
I mean I can’t speak for anyone else but I’m most definitely down for a video on increasing your upper body strength 🙌 these archery vids are my favs too, as well as the hunting videos. Don’t be too hard on yourself about the groupings not being where you want them, you said it’s been a while and it’ll just take a minute to get back into the swing of things. Keep on keeping on
Tip for tightening limb bolts: mark the bolt and the little rubber bit surrounding the bolt with a metallic sharpie, can be silver or gold or bronze or whatever that way when you tighten the limb bolts you will know that you will know for sure that you are tightening them the exact same amount witch will help with tuning and arrow flight
Just some advice. It will help your shoulders health and overall proper form. When you pull back the string, already have your elbow up. Lift the bow up ( not tilting it up) and in combination pull back with that elbow already up! As you’re pull back slowly bring the bow down to your adjusted sight and anchor in. I have shoulder injuries myself and I noticed this is not only the proper way, but it doesn’t put all the strain on my rotar cuff. You will rip that shoulder out one day if you don’t correct this. Just some advice to help you out. Cheers from Long Island, NY.
my girlfriend also working on heavy bows. she doing 60lbs almost and people are outraged calling it fake or dangerous. didn't know the community can get so negative
Hi ya , when increasing poundage small steps . If ya get in a hurry your form will suffer or ya might hurt a shoulder or elbow. I shoot 55 most times , elk bow 72 ...longbow . Believe me things will get sore n hurt . 61 years old n still at it .
youre drawing your bow in a way that makes it much more difficult. your elbow is too low, making it harder to draw. youre not using your back to help draw, and that its harder to draw back. hope that helps. this is an old video, so maybe someone else has pointed that out.
Don’t adjust too much until you get your shooting muscles back in shape. Also I find if you shoot too many times I find myself yanking when I go to pull the release.
My limb pocket screws on my pse. Are visible through the risor SO fully tighten then carefully scratch a line down the centre of the limb bolt .They will line up every time otherwise eventually your going to be off on one limb
Hi Allie. Great video. I also am setting up for my first bow elk hunt in Canada - Alberta. I am a small framed guy (135 lbs) and I worked my way up to a 60 lb draw weight by shooting arrows in my basement over the winter and doing a cross-fit class. Go slow and practice lots. I had thought to increase the weight of my arrows, (currently shooting Easton Carbon Aftermath arrows with a 400 spine and 400 grains total weight, including 100 grain carbon steel broad-heads from Iron Will Outfitters), thinking to get the better transfer of kinetic energy, but I decided against because more weight also slows your arrow, giving the animal milliseconds more to flinch and I suspect that each pull weight/draw length combo has its own sweet spot, which I think is about 400 grains for me (60 lbs, 29" draw length). Anyway, hope that helps, and good luck in your hunt!
Definitely in the boat Allie.!. My tribe has a number of special tags that they raffle off to people that apply and I luckily or unluckily however you want to look at it got a Moose tag and a deer tag in a game reserve.!. so I'm going through every emotion you're going through right now I'm feeling really nervous anyways the best arrows that I found best for me because my tiny draw length and my poundage is going to be at the minimum from a moose I like Easton Axis carbon 500 grain.!. They are slim and put all my tiny little energy into them and they shoot fast and deep.!. Can't wait to see more footage as you prep for your elk hunt.!. Hope your enjoying your summer.!. 🖤🏹🦌🦃🐗🎣
When you draw and hold at full draw. Point your left wrist towards the target. Roll it forward, and open up that hand. It will help a ton. Consistency is key.
I completely feel you. I had back surgery 5 years ago next week and hadn't pulled my bow since until this past weekend. I got it restrung and then dropped down to 50# on the draw and am hoping to work my way back to 65# where I was at before. It's gonna be a long process refinding my anchor point and form as well as building those stabalizer muscles back up. Best of luck to you.
If I could suggest something I hope you don't mind. When you get to full draw relax your hand and and open your hand up ,to hold your bow steady, pinch with your pointer finger and thumb. And when you release your bow it should fall forward and that wrist strap will keep the bow with you. Because you gripping the bow with your hand you have a tendency on twisting which would make your Bow Shoot to the left. Or vice versa if you're a left hand shooter it would make it go right. I hope this might help you.
Great video Allie. Always enjoy watching your videos. I rewatched a couple of times and your anchor point on the first few shots were all different. Go back and look at the fletching compared to your lips. It changes with every shot, just a little bit but enough to throw off your shot a few inches. Keep the videos coming, I love watching. Tell Nick to catch a big one. LOL
The wrist strap is there so you don't have to be gripping the bow with your fingers at all. Try either tucking your fingers in or holding out so that your grip doesn't torque your shot.
...or try not holding the bow at all. The bow will rest in the palm of the hand with fingers completely relaxed and hand open. The draw will keep it in place. After the release I’d let the bow drop and hang on the wrist band.
I'm in that same boat, however, I am 68yo and lowered my poundage for home bound yard shooting from 50lb to 45lb. I shoot about 100 shots every few days. I'm not trying to kill anything eatable, just punching holes from 20 and 30 yards.
@@OutdoorsAllie . . Accuracy with a bow has much to do with science rather than brute force. If I hunt squirrels and rabbits, as I used to, I need no more than 20 / 25 pound bow. Fewer lost arrows and still kill the game with a more accurate shot for the purpose. But I learned it was the flight of the arrow I enjoyed more than the food. I do often use 25 or 30 lb settings, more arc but more slower flight to see. Just more fun.
After thinking more about this I just lowered my poundage to 32 pounds for more arc and longer flight time. Made some adjustments and now much more fun. I think I am going to keep it this way. After all I have not hunted for food in years and if it comes to that, I have probably 50 squirrels and some rabbits nearby. I have 11 bows of many types. But here, I am shooting a Diamond Prism dual cam compound which has very good adjustments for poundage and draw length. My recurves will be more difficult to tune. .... Ah, the joy of fun shooting as opposed to hunting and competition !!!
After more shooting from 30 yds with 32lbs, I did require arrow spline change from 340 to 500 spline. But accuracy is great, arc increased, fun increased. I'm sure these old muscles will appreciate. Speed and power takes much of the fun from things. Punching holes ..... in soft target.
Hey Ally! A couple of suggestions for you. Loosen the wrist strap just a touch. You don't want it pulling on your bow at full draw. Verify what your poundage is at and if your shooting to sight in verify the yardage before making adjustments. Since you moved the limb bolts significantly I would re-index them. Bottom them out (max) then back off to the desired poundage. Also make sure your cam timing is synchronized. If not this can give some crazy arrow flights. Maybe take your bow to a reputable shop for a tune up. Your arrow length, poundage and point weight will determine the proper arrow spin. For big game, I'd try to stay above 450 grain total weight, 500 grain would be better. It looks like your pulling that bow back with ease, maybe step up the weight a little more. I hope some of this helps and good luck with your hunt!
I really do love that 🏹 It looks bada$#!! Did you find the wrist strap help at all with the left drift? Oh and btw don't worry about that arrow at 11:15 I found it! It skipped off the water and arrived in Canada sometime during the night🤔🤣Awesome vlog Allie. Thanks and have a great week!
That would be a fun video, oddly enough, after last archery season, i realized two things. Switching back to a recurve, it is heavy to hold, and hauling a deer a mile and half back to camp from hunting public land, (first time to hunt public land in 20 plus years) I figured out I was out of shape. hehehe. So I started out in december of last year, working out mainly for better shape and general strength, so I think it is a needed video, since you asked, so count us in. I would be interested to see what you come up with for strength training specifically for hunting. It is also a good idea, to put a dot on your bolt, that will help make sure you make a full turn both top and bottom. Yes mam, it is crazy hot here as well. Been shooting the recurve and mathews bow this month. Its hot I tell ya. hehhee Have a blessed week my friend. Dale
I was just going to start shooting 4 weeks ago for a Montana elk/deer combo hunt then broke some ribs. What a set back. Its been hell. Jist barely getting some usage from my left side. Still sleeping un a chair 😢 i will have to build back up AFTER I heal up. It takes FOREVER
Also I just wanted to mention the IQ bow sight. I don't know if it is me just getting older or if the bows in the last 10 years are just less forgiving to bow torque but I've noticed I tend to miss more left to right than up and down and that my groups shift left to right through out a shooting session at 20 to 30 yards it is not much but 40 to 50 it was enough that it could definitely turn into a gut shot animal. I first bought a wrist brace and that helped but wasn't quite what I was looking for. After researching the problem on the internet I came across the IQ bow site and it has really helped not only with bow torque but anchor and reducing the time it takes to tighten my groups at the beginning of my practice season. I know you like to review various products for your channel and thought this one might be a good one for you to try out at some point.
With my wrist strap, I leave my left hand open, do not grip the handle of the bow because it will cause you to twist the bow to the left. Once you feel good about the strap and know the bow will not fall out of your hand as long as you use the strap. Also you won't get the string slap either on your left arm. Good luck you 2. I hope to hunt this year. This MAC Disease has gotten better.
I have been working on shooting for a few months now but it is still a struggle. Some how I always get to the correct draw weight with some decent practice before season starts. I would say at this point I should be doing daily practice. Hang in there girl and let's do this. I am 61 and still at it.
Hey Allie. Good that you’re starting early to get back into shooting form. Too many hunters leave it till last minute. A quick tip when you’re increasing or decreasing your poundage...get a silver sharpie and make a vertical mark half way across your limb bolt from the center to the edge of the hole it’s in. That way you can see exactly how many whole or half or quarter turns you’re at. It’s good too to crank them all the way down and then slowly back them out bit by bit to make sure it’s even on both the top and bottom (couple of turns on the top then switch to the bottom). Better bit by bit then to crank out say 4 turns all at once. Keep it up and good luck with your elk hunt 😃
I am a barebow shooter,and I am also using a wrist wire, but I don't actually holding the bow ... Just pull the bow and don't grab the handle ( your hand is just there ) And when you release it (after) don't grab the bow so your shot will be better
When using the wrist strap try holding the bow by touching your pointy finger to your thumb tip and relaxing your hand. I notice as you release you grip the bow tighter. That could cause your group to open up. Remember consistancy is the key! Do everything exactly the same each time will get you the same results.
Watch your hand around 8:15-9 minute mark. Just before you release you’re gripping down on your riser. It’s just a small movement but that will cause issues. Try to keep your bracing hand relaxed and let the bow kind of fall away naturally. The strap is there to keep the bow in your hand so it doesn’t drop to the ground.
Coming from rifle and pistols to a compound bow it's crazy how different it is. But somethings remain the same. Like anticipating your shot. You can see your grip increase as you loose the arrow.
I'm around your same poundage with my new bow, and tried the FMJ's to start out with. Decided there was too much drop, so I went back to the Easton Axis. Painful cause the FMJ's are expensive, but I'm much happier with the trajectory of the lighter weight Axis.
Absolutely interested. Upper body exercises for bows. Please include weights and/or resistance "straps"? is that what theyre called. Was meaning to request a video on that, but I figured your were involved in bigger projects. Kudos on the cameo outdoor short movies.
The wrist strap is nice I have one also. But I come to find out that if the strap is too tight on your wrist it can make you bow torque to the left or right. I had that problem and when I loosened it my shots quit going left cause it was torquing my bow without me realizing it.
From what I've learned shooting, you do not want your wrist strap to actually be tight on your wrist. It should be loose and just resting on your wrist. Its only there to make sure your bow doesn't fall out of your hand. I've seen a couple people comment on the grip. It made me watch and you might benefit from loosening it up just a little bit. All the pressure from the bow should be in your palm. Having more than one pressure point on the bow (I.e. wrist strap tight, grip to tight) will cause that many more points that need to be duplicated every shot to make a good shot. Just think of those cold mornings that you have a jacket and gloves on. It will change where your strap sits, or the grip pressure on your bow if you are holding it with a full grip. Again im not a pro, just been shooting for a long time. Give it a shot if you want! Season is just around the corner!!!
They say if you draw with your elbow up (the way you hold), you incorporate the muscle groups, in your back, vs elbow down draw which utilizes mostly arm muscles. Sounds legit. I'm working on it, myself😂
I've seen this demonstrated in videos also. When I experimented with this, I can't manage to draw my bow with that really high elbow. With my elbow about straight out or down a little I have no trouble. I want to have good form but it seems harder!
Drawing your bow with your elbow high using the push pull technique engaging your back muscles will save your shoulder and in time help you draw more weight in a way that won’t spook animals
Allie maybe a big reason you shoot left is your grip on the bow. It looks as if you are gripping the bow. Turn your wrist clockwise and rest you finger tips on the front of the riser. Keep shooting and making the best vids out there
Allie, I noticed a kisser button.....finally! Your not searching to line up your anchor point and sight now. Assuming you were shooting at 20, I’d say not bad grouping for being off for awhile. The kisser and the wrist strap will make you deadly lol. Great video.
Hi Allie! My thoughts is that 50# is that i wouldn't use a lighter arrow or change/ mess with anything now. Get it sighted in and practice with what you are hunting with. You've shot enough so that it's going to come back quickly once you have it sighted. No worries, plenty of time. LOL!! 😊
If you watch your grip hand on most of your shots, you grip the bow almost immediately after you release the arrow. At 9:45 your grip looks more relaxed, and your fingers don't collapse down quite as quickly. Try to focus on not gripping the bow at all and letting it fall away from your hand after the shot. I would even recommend taking a few shots where the bow falls completely forward onto the wrist strap. It will feel strange at first, but it should improve your consistency.
Tore up my shoulder shooting a bow last spring. Been using a crossbow and idk if I can ever go back to a compound. So every time I see a video like this I get super jelly.
@@OutdoorsAllie I really like your videos. I'm new to shooting a bow. Only been shooting a few months now. Maybe 6? I have the Mathews Vertix and love it!! I see you shoot and remember that what works for one may or may not, work for others. Shoot the way that works. Tune your bow for you. Keep it up!! Two thumbs up lol!!
I know we are all experts lol, but as one a watching I noticed you load the arrow upside down and right sight up. And one kinda off to the side. Make sure your arrows are properly nock indexed. Also try not using FMJS. if you're going to use easton use the axis. They don't bend as easy and are lighter so you'll perhaps get out past 65 yards for practice.
A note on arrows for elk, look at Victory VAP TKO. Yes they are expensive but the advantage is, you will gain speed and penetration without having to go up higher in your bow poundage.
You should be drawing with your back muscles. Also, if you press the trigger between the first and second joint of your finger, you'll have better control. So, tighten up your release strap and reduce the length of the release.
The main reason you are hitting left is you grip the bow right when you release the arrow. The wrist strap allows you to let the bow hang or even fall forward so you don’t have to grip the bow. The wrist strap prevents the bow from falling to the ground. I have been using a wrist strap since i started shooting a bow and am still struggling with “fear of dropping the bow in the shot”. So just remind yourself during your shooting cycle not to “catch” the bow and the arrows will fly true 😉 Also lighter arrows means less kinetic energy which translates to less penetration to put it simply. Dont switch to lighter arrows just tune your bow to the ones you have now 👍
Glad to see you guys still at it. Are u guys coming utah this year again? Hunts are just around the corner. FYI here in UT we have a big population of black bears this year. We been transplanting trouble bears, most we ever have by this time of year. Giving heads up if looking for black bear next year or 2.
@@OutdoorsAllie I don't understand why I do t see all your vids and others I sub to. YT needs alot work. But seriously u want come for black bear we gotm this year. U can Google that one
Enjoyed the video. I am experimenting with arrow weights at the moment , the arrows I am shooting at the moment or great for Whitetail but a little light for black bear. always looking forward to your next videos
Are those the Easton FMJ carbon core arrows? I believe they are more suitable for recurve bows. I don't see a lot of people using them on compound bows.
@@OutdoorsAllie Maybe they're just uncommon among the people I know then. FMJs are indeed a bit heavy for recurves, the ones I've tried are 9.1 grain-per-inch.
Great job Allie ! Love it ! Love shooting my bow and I Go Through spots when I put it down for a while . So Awesome to get pick it back up and start shooting again , Just love to shoot !! Best Wishes :)
I tried one of those releases also, and didn't like it for about the same reason you gave. I'm pulling with my wrist at a bent/weird angle, instead of pulling back with a fist like my thumb trigger release.
Id say minimum 55lbs with a 340/350 spine arrow and a 100/125 grain kudu point or your choice of fixed blade would work pretty well but if you shoot super accurate at 50lbs keep it at that and put the arrow in the right spot! I shoot 65 lbs 340 spine 100 gr wasp drone for mule deer, total arrow grain weight is 385.8 gr. It works for me. Anyways good luck with your elk!!!!
I didn't see this in the comments but id shorten the throat of your release so you wrap your finger around your trigger a bit more leaving you less prone to punch the trigger and it sounds like theres something that needs to be tightened on your bow. Mathews make a pretty silent bow and you said your shooting a heavy arrow which translates to a quieter bow.
The whole point of wearing a wrist sling, is to shoot with an open hand, not to grip the bow at all. It's gripping the bow that will induce torque and adversely affect your shot. You won't drop the bow, that's where the sling comes in to play.
@@OutdoorsAllie , Yes Ma'am I'm happy with my sight. I almost went with a spot hogg sight ,but I believe I made a good choice with the HHA. I've always went QAD with my rest, but I'll have to check out the HHA for sure . Take care and happy shooting..
I'd like to see some upper body exercises to help me increase bow poundage. Here is my bow/arrow setup. My bow has 40-50 lb limbs and is currently set at 43lbs. I'm shooting a microdiameter arrow, with a heavy FOC. My arrow is around 350 total grains and I'm shooting 100grain field tips and broadheads. This setup for my arrow was at the suggestion of my bow shop in order to help with wind resistance because of my lower poundage. I'm liking my arrow setup and think as I increase my poundage my arrow setup will probably penetrate even more than it does now. Now I'm not hunting elk or other western big game, I'm only hunting Whitetail deer but here in Central Illinois we deal with a variety of wind/windy conditions. It's all preference of the user but you're welcome to use this as idea/reference to help decide if you should change your arrow setup. Good luck with your hunting season and keep us informed on your arrow decision :)
This video is a very good example on how not to increase your bow weight draw ... You should pull only the lb"s that you feel comfortable !!! And note more !
You should work on opening your hand on the riser. You will have more consistent groups and not have a tendency to pull left or right. Trust the strap and let the bow rock forward after the release. If that happens you will notice your groups tighten up. It also will train you to have proper follow through. It helped me to counter looking around my bow to see my shot or pulling down.
Agreed! If you watch your hand, as soon as you release the arrow, you clamp down with your left hand. It’s something I struggle with, too. The strap will keep your bow from going anywhere.
Shoot a lighter arrow, are those fmjs at like 12 grains per inch. Lighter arrow with higher foc will get the the penetration with less total arrow weight. You will not have to shoot as high of a poundage to make up for shooting those tanks. Also I hope you don’t hurt your shoulder drawing across your body like that. There are a lot of videos out there that demonstrate proper draw techniques that will keep you shooting injury free for longer.
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Raise your elbow as high as possible when drawing back and draw in a downward motion to engage your traps and lats instead of just your delts! You will immediately feel the difference!
PSA: everyone please consider where you are aiming while drawing your bow. Really at any time you have an arrow on the string, it should only be pointed at the ground or better, the target. Even with a trigger release, accidents happen, and with a high poundage compound a sky draw could send that arrow farther than you imagine.
I see this a lot when people use a bow that has too high of a draw weight and they can't naturally draw.
Not a rant, just want us archers to be careful and respectful of the people and property around us.
Anyway, glad to see you having a lot of fun out there.
Thanks for the feedback Bryce!
@@OutdoorsAllie Thanks for reading! I have had problems at our local club and have heard similar problems from others online. I dont want any club to have to shut down due to a stray arrow.
Stay safe out there
Allie ..I’m impressed with your presentation, articulation, ability to communicate with your followers etc . I really liked your video on cutting up a deers rear leg quarter..It’s a chore getting by the silver skin.
I have a little knowledge in archery like I’ve been shooting since I’ve been 10 years old. Now that I’m 87 I look 👀 back at past state, regional and national Championships of which I’ve won … Instinctive, 3 fingers under , then compound and presently my crossbow.With over 💯 whitetail deer harvested.. I have shot with World class champion Ann Weber Hoyt and Howard Hill..I’ve been an Olympic Archery Coach ..part 2->
For accuracy in changing bow poundage, try using a silver pen to put witness marks on the limb bolts so you know when you've made one complete revolution.
Thanks David!
Little tip, don't change grip from draw to aim. Just put your hand in place draw and leave it. It helps your grouping alot
Great tip.
I mean I can’t speak for anyone else but I’m most definitely down for a video on increasing your upper body strength 🙌 these archery vids are my favs too, as well as the hunting videos. Don’t be too hard on yourself about the groupings not being where you want them, you said it’s been a while and it’ll just take a minute to get back into the swing of things. Keep on keeping on
Thanks for the feedback Zoe!
Tip for tightening limb bolts: mark the bolt and the little rubber bit surrounding the bolt with a metallic sharpie, can be silver or gold or bronze or whatever that way when you tighten the limb bolts you will know that you will know for sure that you are tightening them the exact same amount witch will help with tuning and arrow flight
Just some advice. It will help your shoulders health and overall proper form. When you pull back the string, already have your elbow up. Lift the bow up ( not tilting it up) and in combination pull back with that elbow already up! As you’re pull back slowly bring the bow down to your adjusted sight and anchor in. I have shoulder injuries myself and I noticed this is not only the proper way, but it doesn’t put all the strain on my rotar cuff. You will rip that shoulder out one day if you don’t correct this. Just some advice to help you out. Cheers from Long Island, NY.
Thanks for the feedback, always appreciated!
my girlfriend also working on heavy bows. she doing 60lbs almost and people are outraged calling it fake or dangerous. didn't know the community can get so negative
Good for her! Stick with it!!
You can buy a hand held bow scale every time you increase your draw weight to see if you can handle the draw weight
Nice! I started my bow practice last weekend, and am getting into "practice almost every day" mode to prep for elk season!
Oh yeah!!! Its almost time!
Hi ya , when increasing poundage small steps . If ya get in a hurry your form will suffer or ya might hurt a shoulder or elbow. I shoot 55 most times , elk bow 72 ...longbow . Believe me things will get sore n hurt . 61 years old n still at it .
youre drawing your bow in a way that makes it much more difficult. your elbow is too low, making it harder to draw. youre not using your back to help draw, and that its harder to draw back. hope that helps. this is an old video, so maybe someone else has pointed that out.
You really good thanks for tips 👍
Any time!
Love your videos. I’m just getting back into bow hunting and going on my first elk hunt this season and I’m super stoked
Good luck out there!
Don’t adjust too much until you get your shooting muscles back in shape. Also I find if you shoot too many times I find myself yanking when I go to pull the release.
Yes making a video about how ro get in shapes is a good video.
And how to warm before and afrer A shoot would be a very good idea
My limb pocket screws on my pse. Are visible through the risor SO fully tighten then carefully scratch a line down the centre of the limb bolt .They will line up every time otherwise eventually your going to be off on one limb
Hi Allie. Great video. I also am setting up for my first bow elk hunt in Canada - Alberta. I am a small framed guy (135 lbs) and I worked my way up to a 60 lb draw weight by shooting arrows in my basement over the winter and doing a cross-fit class. Go slow and practice lots. I had thought to increase the weight of my arrows, (currently shooting Easton Carbon Aftermath arrows with a 400 spine and 400 grains total weight, including 100 grain carbon steel broad-heads from Iron Will Outfitters), thinking to get the better transfer of kinetic energy, but I decided against because more weight also slows your arrow, giving the animal milliseconds more to flinch and I suspect that each pull weight/draw length combo has its own sweet spot, which I think is about 400 grains for me (60 lbs, 29" draw length). Anyway, hope that helps, and good luck in your hunt!
Thanks for the feedback Josef!
Definitely in the boat Allie.!. My tribe has a number of special tags that they raffle off to people that apply and I luckily or unluckily however you want to look at it got a Moose tag and a deer tag in a game reserve.!. so I'm going through every emotion you're going through right now I'm feeling really nervous anyways the best arrows that I found best for me because my tiny draw length and my poundage is going to be at the minimum from a moose I like Easton Axis carbon 500 grain.!. They are slim and put all my tiny little energy into them and they shoot fast and deep.!. Can't wait to see more footage as you prep for your elk hunt.!. Hope your enjoying your summer.!. 🖤🏹🦌🦃🐗🎣
Allie, an upper body strength video would be awesome! Loving all your videos and the Fat Tire film was amazing!!!
Thanks for watching Myra, glad you liked it!
Check out Sarah bowmars upper body archery vids
When you draw and hold at full draw. Point your left wrist towards the target. Roll it forward, and open up that hand. It will help a ton. Consistency is key.
On my recurve bow I have two sets of Limbs for it one is set at 30 lb and the other one is a 45lb set
Yes! Please video on e exercises
I completely feel you. I had back surgery 5 years ago next week and hadn't pulled my bow since until this past weekend. I got it restrung and then dropped down to 50# on the draw and am hoping to work my way back to 65# where I was at before. It's gonna be a long process refinding my anchor point and form as well as building those stabalizer muscles back up. Best of luck to you.
Thanks Jeremy! I hope you get back into it!
If I could suggest something I hope you don't mind. When you get to full draw relax your hand and and open your hand up ,to hold your bow steady, pinch with your pointer finger and thumb. And when you release your bow it should fall forward and that wrist strap will keep the bow with you. Because you gripping the bow with your hand you have a tendency on twisting which would make your Bow Shoot to the left. Or vice versa if you're a left hand shooter it would make it go right. I hope this might help you.
Thanks for the tip Chip!
Had rotator cuff surgeries last year. They couldn’t totally fix it so I had to put down my Recurve for good. Yep kinda sucks.
try switching bows? Oneidas....part recurve/compound....
I hope you have a quick recovery!
Great video Allie. Always enjoy watching your videos. I rewatched a couple of times and your anchor point on the first few shots were all different. Go back and look at the fletching compared to your lips. It changes with every shot, just a little bit but enough to throw off your shot a few inches. Keep the videos coming, I love watching. Tell Nick to catch a big one. LOL
The wrist strap is there so you don't have to be gripping the bow with your fingers at all. Try either tucking your fingers in or holding out so that your grip doesn't torque your shot.
Lighter arrows will help with speed and allow you to put more weight up front.
Ally when you are using a wrist strap you don’t have to grip your bow so tight . A loose grip will help arrow flight, give it a try .
...or try not holding the bow at all. The bow will rest in the palm of the hand with fingers completely relaxed and hand open. The draw will keep it in place. After the release I’d let the bow drop and hang on the wrist band.
I'm in that same boat, however, I am 68yo and lowered my poundage for home bound yard shooting from 50lb to 45lb. I shoot about 100 shots every few days. I'm not trying to kill anything eatable, just punching holes from 20 and 30 yards.
That's a lot of shooting. Id lower it too!
@@OutdoorsAllie . . Accuracy with a bow has much to do with science rather than brute force. If I hunt squirrels and rabbits, as I used to, I need no more than 20 / 25 pound bow. Fewer lost arrows and still kill the game with a more accurate shot for the purpose. But I learned it was the flight of the arrow I enjoyed more than the food. I do often use 25 or 30 lb settings, more arc but more slower flight to see. Just more fun.
After thinking more about this I just lowered my poundage to 32 pounds for more arc and longer flight time. Made some adjustments and now much more fun. I think I am going to keep it this way. After all I have not hunted for food in years and if it comes to that, I have probably 50 squirrels and some rabbits nearby. I have 11 bows of many types. But here, I am shooting a Diamond Prism dual cam compound which has very good adjustments for poundage and draw length. My recurves will be more difficult to tune. .... Ah, the joy of fun shooting as opposed to hunting and competition !!!
After more shooting from 30 yds with 32lbs, I did require arrow spline change from 340 to 500 spline. But accuracy is great, arc increased, fun increased. I'm sure these old muscles will appreciate. Speed and power takes much of the fun from things. Punching holes ..... in soft target.
You make such fun videos! keep them coming!
Thank you!!!
Hey Ally! A couple of suggestions for you. Loosen the wrist strap just a touch. You don't want it pulling on your bow at full draw. Verify what your poundage is at and if your shooting to sight in verify the yardage before making adjustments. Since you moved the limb bolts significantly I would re-index them. Bottom them out (max) then back off to the desired poundage. Also make sure your cam timing is synchronized. If not this can give some crazy arrow flights. Maybe take your bow to a reputable shop for a tune up. Your arrow length, poundage and point weight will determine the proper arrow spin. For big game, I'd try to stay above 450 grain total weight, 500 grain would be better. It looks like your pulling that bow back with ease, maybe step up the weight a little more. I hope some of this helps and good luck with your hunt!
Thanks for tips Tillman!
I really do love that 🏹 It looks bada$#!! Did you find the wrist strap help at all with the left drift?
Oh and btw don't worry about that arrow at 11:15 I found it! It skipped off the water and arrived in Canada sometime during the night🤔🤣Awesome vlog Allie. Thanks and have a great week!
hahahahah. I haven't used it for long enough, but I think it will help over time.
That would be a fun video, oddly enough, after last archery season, i realized two things. Switching back to a recurve, it is heavy to hold, and hauling a deer a mile and half back to camp from hunting public land, (first time to hunt public land in 20 plus years) I figured out I was out of shape. hehehe. So I started out in december of last year, working out mainly for better shape and general strength, so I think it is a needed video, since you asked, so count us in. I would be interested to see what you come up with for strength training specifically for hunting.
It is also a good idea, to put a dot on your bolt, that will help make sure you make a full turn both top and bottom.
Yes mam, it is crazy hot here as well. Been shooting the recurve and mathews bow this month. Its hot I tell ya. hehhee
Have a blessed week my friend.
Dale
Thanks Dale. You as well!
I was just going to start shooting 4 weeks ago for a Montana elk/deer combo hunt then broke some ribs. What a set back. Its been hell. Jist barely getting some usage from my left side. Still sleeping un a chair 😢 i will have to build back up AFTER I heal up. It takes FOREVER
Oh no. Get better soon!
Those first 3 shot were a kill shots on a whitetail and most large game! That’s a new weight!
Also I just wanted to mention the IQ bow sight. I don't know if it is me just getting older or if the bows in the last 10 years are just less forgiving to bow torque but I've noticed I tend to miss more left to right than up and down and that my groups shift left to right through out a shooting session at 20 to 30 yards it is not much but 40 to 50 it was enough that it could definitely turn into a gut shot animal. I first bought a wrist brace and that helped but wasn't quite what I was looking for. After researching the problem on the internet I came across the IQ bow site and it has really helped not only with bow torque but anchor and reducing the time it takes to tighten my groups at the beginning of my practice season. I know you like to review various products for your channel and thought this one might be a good one for you to try out at some point.
Thanks Steven, I'll check it out!
Love your channel! Going up in poundage can be a challenge for anyone.
Thanks for watching!
I would love a video on upper body exercises to help with poundage increase.
Thanks for the idea Joana!
One reason you could be shooting to the left is that your arrow rest is out of alignment, just go look up a video about it, it’s a pretty easy to fix
With my wrist strap, I leave my left hand open, do not grip the handle of the bow because it will cause you to twist the bow to the left. Once you feel good about the strap and know the bow will not fall out of your hand as long as you use the strap. Also you won't get the string slap either on your left arm. Good luck you 2. I hope to hunt this year. This MAC Disease has gotten better.
Good luck out there this year!
I believe that there is an optimum arrow weight to draw weight. That is where your optimum energy will be.
That was a pretty generic statement sorry.
I ran an archery shop for some years and have a lot to say but typing it would take along time
No problem. I totally understand! I've learned a lot since then! Thanks for watching Matt.
@@OutdoorsAllie
Your welcome and thanks for sharing your adventures
I have been working on shooting for a few months now but it is still a struggle. Some how I always get to the correct draw weight with some decent practice before season starts. I would say at this point I should be doing daily practice. Hang in there girl and let's do this. I am 61 and still at it.
Good stuff Lori! Go get it!
Love to see some Draer strengthening exercises...I'm just getting into archery...recurve, sorry
Hey Allie. Good that you’re starting early to get back into shooting form. Too many hunters leave it till last minute. A quick tip when you’re increasing or decreasing your poundage...get a silver sharpie and make a vertical mark half way across your limb bolt from the center to the edge of the hole it’s in. That way you can see exactly how many whole or half or quarter turns you’re at. It’s good too to crank them all the way down and then slowly back them out bit by bit to make sure it’s even on both the top and bottom (couple of turns on the top then switch to the bottom). Better bit by bit then to crank out say 4 turns all at once.
Keep it up and good luck with your elk hunt 😃
Good idea. Thanks for the tip!
Yes! Please post exercises!
Ok great. Thanks for the feedback!
I am a barebow shooter,and I am also using a wrist wire, but I don't actually holding the bow ...
Just pull the bow and don't grab the handle ( your hand is just there )
And when you release it (after) don't grab the bow so your shot will be better
The reason for the sling is so u don’t have to grab ur bow right away, just let it rest in ur palm and fall
You are really kicking ass on social media lately. Great work. I have started shooting more too.
Thanks Mike! Get out there!
I need to increase my poundage too! Do you have to do a FULL turn every time?
Nope, just make sure its equal on both limbs!
When using the wrist strap try holding the bow by touching your pointy finger to your thumb tip and relaxing your hand. I notice as you release you grip the bow tighter. That could cause your group to open up. Remember consistancy is the key! Do everything exactly the same each time will get you the same results.
Thanks for the feedback!
@@OutdoorsAllie great videos by the way!
Watch your hand around 8:15-9 minute mark. Just before you release you’re gripping down on your riser. It’s just a small movement but that will cause issues. Try to keep your bracing hand relaxed and let the bow kind of fall away naturally. The strap is there to keep the bow in your hand so it doesn’t drop to the ground.
Thanks for the feedback Shaun!
#50 will be plenty with a good arrow setup
Coming from rifle and pistols to a compound bow it's crazy how different it is. But somethings remain the same. Like anticipating your shot. You can see your grip increase as you loose the arrow.
For sure.
I'm around your same poundage with my new bow, and tried the FMJ's to start out with. Decided there was too much drop, so I went back to the Easton Axis. Painful cause the FMJ's are expensive, but I'm much happier with the trajectory of the lighter weight Axis.
I'll check out the Axis!
Absolutely interested. Upper body exercises for bows. Please include weights and/or resistance "straps"? is that what theyre called. Was meaning to request a video on that, but I figured your were involved in bigger projects. Kudos on the cameo outdoor short movies.
No doubt! Thanks Wil.
The wrist strap is nice I have one also. But I come to find out that if the strap is too tight on your wrist it can make you bow torque to the left or right. I had that problem and when I loosened it my shots quit going left cause it was torquing my bow without me realizing it.
Ahhh I see.
From what I've learned shooting, you do not want your wrist strap to actually be tight on your wrist. It should be loose and just resting on your wrist. Its only there to make sure your bow doesn't fall out of your hand. I've seen a couple people comment on the grip. It made me watch and you might benefit from loosening it up just a little bit. All the pressure from the bow should be in your palm. Having more than one pressure point on the bow (I.e. wrist strap tight, grip to tight) will cause that many more points that need to be duplicated every shot to make a good shot. Just think of those cold mornings that you have a jacket and gloves on. It will change where your strap sits, or the grip pressure on your bow if you are holding it with a full grip. Again im not a pro, just been shooting for a long time. Give it a shot if you want! Season is just around the corner!!!
Great tips. Thanks for the feedback MM!
They say if you draw with your elbow up (the way you hold), you incorporate the muscle groups, in your back, vs elbow down draw which utilizes mostly arm muscles. Sounds legit. I'm working on it, myself😂
I've seen this demonstrated in videos also. When I experimented with this, I can't manage to draw my bow with that really high elbow. With my elbow about straight out or down a little I have no trouble. I want to have good form but it seems harder!
Drawing your bow with your elbow high using the push pull technique engaging your back muscles will save your shoulder and in time help you draw more weight in a way that won’t spook animals
Your facial expressions are priceless 😂😂 yes to the work out vids! I need ideas!
LOL
Allie maybe a big reason you shoot left is your grip on the bow. It looks as if you are gripping the bow. Turn your wrist clockwise and rest you finger tips on the front of the riser. Keep shooting and making the best vids out there
It must be the grip. Thanks Cayden!
If you can try a hook style trigger release like the spott hog,they have really easy triggers that could help accuracy
Allie, I noticed a kisser button.....finally! Your not searching to line up your anchor point and sight now. Assuming you were shooting at 20, I’d say not bad grouping for being off for awhile. The kisser and the wrist strap will make you deadly lol. Great video.
Yes, kisser button is back!
Hi Allie! My thoughts is that 50# is that i wouldn't use a lighter arrow or change/ mess with anything now. Get it sighted in and practice with what you are hunting with. You've shot enough so that it's going to come back quickly once you have it sighted. No worries, plenty of time. LOL!! 😊
Lets hope so. Thanks Eric!
Let me clarify... 50# is fine. I got faith in ya. 😊
If you watch your grip hand on most of your shots, you grip the bow almost immediately after you release the arrow. At 9:45 your grip looks more relaxed, and your fingers don't collapse down quite as quickly. Try to focus on not gripping the bow at all and letting it fall away from your hand after the shot. I would even recommend taking a few shots where the bow falls completely forward onto the wrist strap. It will feel strange at first, but it should improve your consistency.
Thanks for the feedback Berek!
Tore up my shoulder shooting a bow last spring. Been using a crossbow and idk if I can ever go back to a compound. So every time I see a video like this I get super jelly.
Yes, maintaing should health is important! Crossbows are awesome too though.
@@OutdoorsAllie yes they are solid hunting tools.
Shooting to the left is usually caused by gripping the bow too tight
Thanks for the feedback Steve!
@@OutdoorsAllie I really like your videos. I'm new to shooting a bow. Only been shooting a few months now. Maybe 6? I have the Mathews Vertix and love it!! I see you shoot and remember that what works for one may or may not, work for others. Shoot the way that works. Tune your bow for you. Keep it up!! Two thumbs up lol!!
I know we are all experts lol, but as one a watching I noticed you load the arrow upside down and right sight up. And one kinda off to the side. Make sure your arrows are properly nock indexed. Also try not using FMJS. if you're going to use easton use the axis. They don't bend as easy and are lighter so you'll perhaps get out past 65 yards for practice.
Thanks for the feedback Rick!
You have nice form. Wish I made it look that good
Allie being that you have a range finder, maybe you could use a slide sight with a single pin. Oh P.S. targets are always in season😆
LoL
A note on arrows for elk, look at Victory VAP TKO. Yes they are expensive but the advantage is, you will gain speed and penetration without having to go up higher in your bow poundage.
Cool, I'll check them out. Thanks Brent!
You should be drawing with your back muscles. Also, if you press the trigger between the first and second joint of your finger, you'll have better control. So, tighten up your release strap and reduce the length of the release.
Thanks for the tip!
The main reason you are hitting left is you grip the bow right when you release the arrow. The wrist strap allows you to let the bow hang or even fall forward so you don’t have to grip the bow. The wrist strap prevents the bow from falling to the ground. I have been using a wrist strap since i started shooting a bow and am still struggling with “fear of dropping the bow in the shot”. So just remind yourself during your shooting cycle not to “catch” the bow and the arrows will fly true 😉
Also lighter arrows means less kinetic energy which translates to less penetration to put it simply. Dont switch to lighter arrows just tune your bow to the ones you have now 👍
Thanks for the feedback!
If you loss track on your adjustment just bottom out your limbs an loosen turn by turn
Good tip!
For elk, you should stay with the heavier arrow. The lighter arrow will have less impact factor.
How heavy? My arrows are 400 then 125 grain broadhead
Glad to see you guys still at it. Are u guys coming utah this year again? Hunts are just around the corner. FYI here in UT we have a big population of black bears this year. We been transplanting trouble bears, most we ever have by this time of year. Giving heads up if looking for black bear next year or 2.
No Utah this year. Idaho and Pennsylvania! Thanks Travis!
@@OutdoorsAllie I don't understand why I do t see all your vids and others I sub to. YT needs alot work. But seriously u want come for black bear we gotm this year. U can Google that one
I went to shooting a Recurve for 6 months. Came back to compound bow and couple pull another 20lb 😁
Nice!
Enjoyed the video. I am experimenting with arrow weights at the moment , the arrows I am shooting at the moment or great for Whitetail but a little light for black bear. always looking forward to your next videos
Thanks Eugene!
@@OutdoorsAllie I have been meaning to ask.... Your new design you were taking votes on a few months ago how is that coming along
2:24 yes bow exercises would be great for us REALLY out of shape hunters
I would definitely be interested in the exercises! I am new to bow hunting, this will be my first year!
Awesome. Good luck Cassie!
@@OutdoorsAllie Thank you! To you as well
Are those the Easton FMJ carbon core arrows? I believe they are more suitable for recurve bows. I don't see a lot of people using them on compound bows.
Yes, I have always liked FMJ's
@@OutdoorsAllie Maybe they're just uncommon among the people I know then. FMJs are indeed a bit heavy for recurves, the ones I've tried are 9.1 grain-per-inch.
Great job Allie ! Love it ! Love shooting my bow and I Go Through spots when I put it down for a while . So Awesome to get pick it back up and start shooting again , Just love to shoot !! Best Wishes :)
No doubt. Thanks for watching!
I also recommend no stabilizer added weight
I tried one of those releases also, and didn't like it for about the same reason you gave. I'm pulling with my wrist at a bent/weird angle, instead of pulling back with a fist like my thumb trigger release.
Agreed.
Id say minimum 55lbs with a 340/350 spine arrow and a 100/125 grain kudu point or your choice of fixed blade would work pretty well but if you shoot super accurate at 50lbs keep it at that and put the arrow in the right spot! I shoot 65 lbs 340 spine 100 gr wasp drone for mule deer, total arrow grain weight is 385.8 gr. It works for me. Anyways good luck with your elk!!!!
Thanks you too!
Change your release to a four-finger hinge or a four-finger thumb release.By changing your release you can pull more poundage.
I'll check it out!
When adjusting ur bow weight put a small mark on the bolt for reference.
Thanks Rashaud!
I didn't see this in the comments but id shorten the throat of your release so you wrap your finger around your trigger a bit more leaving you less prone to punch the trigger and it sounds like theres something that needs to be tightened on your bow. Mathews make a pretty silent bow and you said your shooting a heavy arrow which translates to a quieter bow.
ahhh thanks for the suggestion!
The whole point of wearing a wrist sling, is to shoot with an open hand, not to grip the bow at all. It's gripping the bow that will induce torque and adversely affect your shot. You won't drop the bow, that's where the sling comes in to play.
Allie. Try a side bar stabilizer to offset the quiver. Just my$.02. Enjoying your content
I'll check it out. Thanks for the suggestion!
Looks like you're in Florida...lol
Good shooting!
I have the HHA tetra tournament on my bow tech realm ss and really like that set up.
Ya, HHA has some great products. Their Virtus rest has been awesome as well.
@@OutdoorsAllie , Yes Ma'am I'm happy with my sight. I almost went with a spot hogg sight ,but I believe I made a good choice with the HHA.
I've always went QAD with my rest, but I'll have to check out the HHA for sure .
Take care and happy shooting..
I'd like to see some upper body exercises to help me increase bow poundage.
Here is my bow/arrow setup. My bow has 40-50 lb limbs and is currently set at 43lbs. I'm shooting a microdiameter arrow, with a heavy FOC. My arrow is around 350 total grains and I'm shooting 100grain field tips and broadheads. This setup for my arrow was at the suggestion of my bow shop in order to help with wind resistance because of my lower poundage. I'm liking my arrow setup and think as I increase my poundage my arrow setup will probably penetrate even more than it does now. Now I'm not hunting elk or other western big game, I'm only hunting Whitetail deer but here in Central Illinois we deal with a variety of wind/windy conditions. It's all preference of the user but you're welcome to use this as idea/reference to help decide if you should change your arrow setup. Good luck with your hunting season and keep us informed on your arrow decision :)
Sounds good. Thanks Shannon!
This video is a very good example on how not to increase your bow weight draw ...
You should pull only the lb"s that you feel comfortable !!! And note more !
Yes please. Do the work outs , I would love to see the results after it.
You should work on opening your hand on the riser. You will have more consistent groups and not have a tendency to pull left or right. Trust the strap and let the bow rock forward after the release. If that happens you will notice your groups tighten up. It also will train you to have proper follow through. It helped me to counter looking around my bow to see my shot or pulling down.
Agreed! If you watch your hand, as soon as you release the arrow, you clamp down with your left hand. It’s something I struggle with, too. The strap will keep your bow from going anywhere.
Sounds like a consistent theme.
Outdoors Allie yeah I noticed that after I read through several of the other comments! Sorry to be repetitive, lol. Good luck on your hunt!
Shoot a lighter arrow, are those fmjs at like 12 grains per inch. Lighter arrow with higher foc will get the the penetration with less total arrow weight. You will not have to shoot as high of a poundage to make up for shooting those tanks. Also I hope you don’t hurt your shoulder drawing across your body like that. There are a lot of videos out there that demonstrate proper draw techniques that will keep you shooting injury free for longer.
Thanks for the feedback matt!
for elk I would get your bow to at least 55lb for a little more assurance and shoot a g5 montec or similar small diameter fixed blade broadhead
The more time in The the gym, the better. You know which exercises will help.
No doubt!