It's funny how it's like "Oh she only does 195 damage with a full charged railgun headshot, so now it's not a one shot for most non-tank heros" even though, aside from damage boost, she could just like, fire her normal fire in your general direction for like, half a second, hit you with ONE of those shots, THEN headshot, and that still goes over 200 damage in just as much time. you just fire your primary for a split second before headshoting and it doesn't matter.
Oh god. Flats, you awoken something deep in my memory. Normally I don't notice the music you play, just background noise between shots and chaos. But at 2:11 I just felt dread. The sound, it reminded me. Even through game audio and with how faintly the music was I could still hear it. The laugh. That maniacal laugh from the nightmarish box. That music haunted my dreams for years and now it's back...
They should change it so that players resurrected by mercy are internally marked and cannot be resurrected again. This would reset after dying. I would definitely decrease this awful pocketing by a bit. And for sojourn, I really wished for some kind of railgun chargeup before firing. Like mei does with her icicle. Right now there is no way to prepare for getting one shot. Not even widow can one shot out of nowhere when peeking corners.
I don't know what they should change it to, but I think mercy's on demand damage boost should be replaced with something else. multiple dps characters have had their primary attacks damage reduced over the years and the common reason for quite a few is mercy damage boost enabling a 1-shot, examples being sojourn and pre-nerf ashe. if mercy is the common issue with these characters I think it makes more sense to target that then nerf multiple other characters, making them weaker on their own when they were initially designed and balanced without mercy pocket being factored in. maybe the alternative beam for mercy's staff could actively reduce the teammates ability cooldown when it's on them? something like 1.5x or 2x ability regen on the target.
@@assimilater-quicktips if you die after being ressed, you will have to normally respawn, no matter what. To avoid permanently ressing the same player.
@@MandrewTheFrog I agree that blue beam needs to change, but you dont want ability regen. We dont need kitsune on a stick. Only thing I can think of for changing blue beam is slightly increased ult charge from damage, so that it still helps dps characters but they dont have to balance the entire game around it
Honestly, it's pretty cool seeing the sliding thing from a seagull short. It's like going to a concert and finally watching the band play and watching the guy next to you od as flats goes widow.
Ya I agree too. Hog is annoying to play against sure, but playing against orissa is just boring. It’s pretty much futile to try killing her most of the time which makes any fight against her boring and janky. She really needs the cooldown on her golden form increased or something.
Prolly mei junkrat symmetra. I never have an issue fighting them i just think theyre way too easy to play and there shouldnt be free value characters. Sorry, again i like playing them a lot but theyre like having a minigun and 4 billion health in a csgo match, esp junkrat he is such a troll character i just feel disgusting playing him and winning most games
@@averyterribleperson5292 oh crap I forgot I forgot sym replace widow for sym and put her at the number 2 spot and I play the rat a lot and he’s lots of fun
Any OG overwatch player here? Can you guys tell me how to put the mic, picture, and name that shows in the top left of the gameplay? Please and thank you.
I agree. Sojourn headshot needs to do max 170, then mercy damage boost needs a nerf, and discord orb needs a nerf. All of those after hog deletion tho.
Sojourn nerf ideas: Full charge railgun only does 100 damage with the same 1.5x crit multiplier for a 150 damage headshot, or no crit multiplier but same damage as now. Also slower or no charge from shooting barriers.
Even at close range soujourn has the strongest one shot- She doesnt get slowed while using it because its not an ADS, she doesnt have a different FOV or zoom- Trying to hit that kiriko with the ash secondary shot at close range is so much harder compared to soujorn just strafing
No support makes me feel as mentally exhausted as kiriko does, everything about her kit is just frustrating from the teleport with no cast time basically, to the ability which cleanses and also renders teammates immune for a full second and the ult which for all intents and purposes is like a team-wide nano boost in terms of dps increase except ability cooldowns are halved and movement speed is increased too.
always with the 5 stack 🤣 my grandma couldn't loose on that team would like to see him play solo from time to time. In all these years I've never seen him solo queued. Are they allowing 5 stacks now? didn't it used to be everything above diamond is duo max?
8:54 Considering some of the hooks I've seen connect, despite being a country mile away from the character model, this moment was kinda total bullshit. Those shots should have connected, if you go frame by frame your reticle is literally over her.
Widow isn't my problem. Hog. Hog is my problem. Hooks from half a football field away shouldn't exist. And he shouldn't be able to one shot you. If I have a good position around a corner from a hog he shouldn't be able to pull me through it. Hog is so broken right now it's insane.
Coming from Valorant comp I can say yes, their content is a lot better but it only makes up for the absolute shit show of a mental destroyer that game is, when you get high in comp half the strategy is just not letting your mental drop, like yes I have frustrating games in OW2 but shit I actually enjoy the game too
I like that at least in this game you can switch and counter and all that at least part of the time but you also have to rely on your team a bit more than val, idk what it is but this game is more tolerable and easier to get on and off val almost requires hours to stay in the mental you need to perform
I'm with your Mercy here: If you're playing support and nothing else, Hog isn't actually that annoying. Tanks with long range or dive options such as Orisa and Winston are much worse to play against since Hog has the decency of staying at the frontline and having limited range, meaning you can be relatively safe in the back.
Show me decent hog. Show me a hog that doesn't barge his way straight to the backline to hook the Mercy or Bap without even bothering to flank because he knows he won't die.
Absolutely not. Even trying to Pharmercy vs a decent Hog can be scary. Playing support vs hog is like playing 4d chess while he's just out playing checkers. Mercy struggling with Winstons more than Hogs sounds like lower rank problems.
Flats, why do you always have "in Overwatch 2" at the end of your titles? I find it a little odd as I can't imagine it helps the algorithm that much. It's interesting to me.
Between Flats' Orisa stream clips where he can go all video without hitting a spear, and now his bronze Ashe aim, I'm starting to see why he's a Rein main
Deku is 10000% right, Orisa is wayyyyyy worse than hog in every single way right now. It blows my mind that people complain about hog as much as they do when Orisa exists.
I hate what theyve done to my baby, dawg. You used to have to actually aim with her now you just foam at the mouth and get as close as possible to spam cooldowns. It sucks so much. I miss my shield, i miss my big lmg with lotsa bullets....
Orisa is immortal. Hog is immortal AND omnipotent. I hate going against both of them, but Hog is absolutely worse. Anecdotal, but.. I can't remember a single occasion of feeling like Orisa killed me "unfairly" or anything like that.
@@karamei Nah Orisa is omnipotent, you are severely underestimating all of her abilities. She has 2 cc abilities on cooldown, one of which can stun and the other can also be used as a movement ability. And then her third ability not only grants her armor but makes her immune to any cc in the game as well as denying headshots. Now let's take ALL of that into consideration and you're gonna tell me hog (with only two abilities, one of which can be completely denied with anti or javelin throw or whatever else) is worse than Orisa simply because he can one shot some (not all) heroes? That's just silly talk
@@thegaminglord2190 Orisa is just a new problem now. Buffing heroes to counter broken heroes is not a good long term strategy because it means that all the other heroes become less viable as a result.
@@harms123 never said to not rebalance after, according to ow devs balancing a hero takes time, so instead of playing the most unfun game ever they came up with a solution of buffing the counter, do far it works until hog is nerfed reworked or whatever orisa keeps him in check then we nerf both, suddenly hog is being less played because orisa stops him, my idea of buffing ashe is not perfect as she is no where near a counter as orisa to hog,as sadly sojourn has no clear counter it will still be a skill match up in the end but ashe will get the upper hand with a mercy boost, we might shit on tracer by mistake but Eh better than mercy sojun 1 shot
@@thegaminglord2190 I don't agree that Ashe should be the one to get buffed to keep Sojourn in check and I believe buffing counters should only be done in pretty dire situations. I think a better solution is nerfing the problematic hero with the quickfix tool and then working towards a more nuanced rework/nerf/buff, but overall, respectable take, thank you for the discussion.
Deku: "I missed im sorry"
Flats: (misses more shots than a bronze widow) "Im hitting all the shots rn"
Nah that got me laughing when he said she’s 1ph😭🤣
Flats on dps is like stevie wonder going to the eye doctor
Bros got a pat cc pfp. Elite
OHH LORDIE I CAN SEE
Dude truly has Gm-top500 cooldown use and positioning, but high plat-diamond aim lol
@@THESCOTT6_oP lmao no that aim is straight from low gold
@@ege8240 nah man if someones aim is that good in low gold they best be getting their entire playstyle checked if theyre still hardstuck there
It's funny how it's like "Oh she only does 195 damage with a full charged railgun headshot, so now it's not a one shot for most non-tank heros" even though, aside from damage boost, she could just like, fire her normal fire in your general direction for like, half a second, hit you with ONE of those shots, THEN headshot, and that still goes over 200 damage in just as much time. you just fire your primary for a split second before headshoting and it doesn't matter.
bro you don't get it she got nerfed so now her 200 damage map-wide bubble does not ALSO slow you and is therefore, unplayable
@@haghandler jesus they should just remove Genji all together
@@KindaDummy sorry man i joined a bit late into this game who's this... jenji guy?
"imagine if Valorant didn't get updated for 3 years. thats overwatch"
me, a TF2 enjoyer: (cry laughs)
0:57 when emong goes for something he knows wont work but it somehow does.
Oh god. Flats, you awoken something deep in my memory.
Normally I don't notice the music you play, just background noise between shots and chaos. But at 2:11 I just felt dread. The sound, it reminded me. Even through game audio and with how faintly the music was I could still hear it. The laugh. That maniacal laugh from the nightmarish box. That music haunted my dreams for years and now it's back...
Deku: "he got my other eye"
lololol
This made me laugh too :D
Bro that wall gap for widow could be crazy to start rounds with
That double headshot 11:54 holy shit that was smooth..
I had to edit this twice just to get the timestamp
They should change it so that players resurrected by mercy are internally marked and cannot be resurrected again. This would reset after dying. I would definitely decrease this awful pocketing by a bit.
And for sojourn, I really wished for some kind of railgun chargeup before firing. Like mei does with her icicle. Right now there is no way to prepare for getting one shot. Not even widow can one shot out of nowhere when peeking corners.
Reduce damage even with mercy to below 200 and add that charge up and she might be fair.
Can't be res but reset after dying? So in effect no change?
I don't know what they should change it to, but I think mercy's on demand damage boost should be replaced with something else. multiple dps characters have had their primary attacks damage reduced over the years and the common reason for quite a few is mercy damage boost enabling a 1-shot, examples being sojourn and pre-nerf ashe.
if mercy is the common issue with these characters I think it makes more sense to target that then nerf multiple other characters, making them weaker on their own when they were initially designed and balanced without mercy pocket being factored in.
maybe the alternative beam for mercy's staff could actively reduce the teammates ability cooldown when it's on them? something like 1.5x or 2x ability regen on the target.
@@assimilater-quicktips if you die after being ressed, you will have to normally respawn, no matter what. To avoid permanently ressing the same player.
@@MandrewTheFrog I agree that blue beam needs to change, but you dont want ability regen. We dont need kitsune on a stick. Only thing I can think of for changing blue beam is slightly increased ult charge from damage, so that it still helps dps characters but they dont have to balance the entire game around it
I respect all of Flats' opinions. Like ones on hog, sujourn, tiktok, valorant and league
This Donkey Kong 64 boss music just unlock some key childhood memories for me. Thanks, Flats
I never thought my top 5 million Ashe gameplay could be better than a top 500 Ashe until today. There is hope for me yet.
Honestly, it's pretty cool seeing the sliding thing from a seagull short. It's like going to a concert and finally watching the band play and watching the guy next to you od as flats goes widow.
love the editing on this one roadrunner. thank you papa flats for the content
Man was so tilted, he switched to Sojourn! XD
I love Ragdoll physics in this game.
I was so confused i thought i already saw this video turns out i saw the stream lmao
7:02 "just have good positioning so the hog doesn't hook you forehead" 😂
That guy will prefer hog until he gets one… then the pain starts…
Pretty sure she was serious, plus I agree~
Ya I agree too. Hog is annoying to play against sure, but playing against orissa is just boring. It’s pretty much futile to try killing her most of the time which makes any fight against her boring and janky. She really needs the cooldown on her golden form increased or something.
I don’t remember when I subscribed to your channel but thank heavens I did since I got back in OW again
I also unironically discovered you through the TOK. Glad I learned about you, great content!
I love the rag doll effects lol
hi flats i love watching ur videos they have improved my gameplay so much!!
Some nasty shots in here.
2:34 deku leaving flats because every mercy sees red when they ult and there's an enemy widow lmao
I am very appreciative of the Super Monkey Ball music.
Ash shots were unmatched fr
Even in low plat and low dimond it’s just sojorn 24/7
We need a hog champ (like pogchamp) to spam in chat when Flats gets oneshot by hog!
I just watched some of your old videos. Did you ever coach rosemary?
11:15 ok but are we gonna talk about these two pixel-perfect shots?
If you had to ban 3 characters who would you ban me it would be
Sorjorn
Hog
Widow
In that order
Prolly mei junkrat symmetra. I never have an issue fighting them i just think theyre way too easy to play and there shouldnt be free value characters. Sorry, again i like playing them a lot but theyre like having a minigun and 4 billion health in a csgo match, esp junkrat he is such a troll character i just feel disgusting playing him and winning most games
@@averyterribleperson5292 oh crap I forgot I forgot sym replace widow for sym and put her at the number 2 spot and I play the rat a lot and he’s lots of fun
Look at that, I’m in a Flats thumbnail.
This group is hilarious 😂 love it.
no the bearrrddddd
That DK64 music made me feel hella nostalgic.
Any OG overwatch player here? Can you guys tell me how to put the mic, picture, and name that shows in the top left of the gameplay? Please and thank you.
This is why the nerfed Ashe’s one shot, it wasn’t fun to play against and wasn’t healthy for the game. So why keep Sojourns one shot?
I agree.
Sojourn headshot needs to do max 170, then mercy damage boost needs a nerf, and discord orb needs a nerf.
All of those after hog deletion tho.
@@okami1272 I feel like they need to get rid of all one shots. One shots aren’t healthy for the game
8:07 This was my breaking point😆
What do you recommend to take care of a good Symmetra? A good Sym can melt people.
12:35 orisa doing kabedon on ramattra
There goes your other eye!
I love this plat dps gameplay
0:36 real
Overwatch catching updates thats crazy tf2 still waiting for a real content update
Sojourn nerf ideas: Full charge railgun only does 100 damage with the same 1.5x crit multiplier for a 150 damage headshot, or no crit multiplier but same damage as now. Also slower or no charge from shooting barriers.
Even at close range soujourn has the strongest one shot- She doesnt get slowed while using it because its not an ADS, she doesnt have a different FOV or zoom- Trying to hit that kiriko with the ash secondary shot at close range is so much harder compared to soujorn just strafing
Damn Flats got my ash I gotta hop on to see if we traded aim
Flats the widow maker
I swear I am usually very accurate but as soon as I swap to Ashe I lose all of my ability to aim
THE TOK
So what's the point of climbing to GM if you play with more then one friend?
No support makes me feel as mentally exhausted as kiriko does, everything about her kit is just frustrating from the teleport with no cast time basically, to the ability which cleanses and also renders teammates immune for a full second and the ult which for all intents and purposes is like a team-wide nano boost in terms of dps increase except ability cooldowns are halved and movement speed is increased too.
Exactly shes so annoying…
@@echoooo5383 shes a dps tho
And also has good healing and solid damage. Fun to play though
The teleport does have a cast time lmao
always with the 5 stack 🤣 my grandma couldn't loose on that team would like to see him play solo from time to time. In all these years I've never seen him solo queued. Are they allowing 5 stacks now? didn't it used to be everything above diamond is duo max?
Widow maker montage when!?
8:54 Considering some of the hooks I've seen connect, despite being a country mile away from the character model, this moment was kinda total bullshit. Those shots should have connected, if you go frame by frame your reticle is literally over her.
No beard flats feels different
Easy One shots aren’t healthy for the game and are making it anti-fun. You can’t change my mind.
I dont think anyone wants to change your mind.
Well if we didn’t have widow we would also miss out on her @ss
Widow isn't my problem. Hog. Hog is my problem. Hooks from half a football field away shouldn't exist. And he shouldn't be able to one shot you. If I have a good position around a corner from a hog he shouldn't be able to pull me through it. Hog is so broken right now it's insane.
@@mr_d3adw873 one or the other not both yea? Like either hook or oneshot capability, but not both.
@@mr_d3adw873 well we could just delete hog. With blizzard giving Him a proper send off video or something
Coming from Valorant comp I can say yes, their content is a lot better but it only makes up for the absolute shit show of a mental destroyer that game is, when you get high in comp half the strategy is just not letting your mental drop, like yes I have frustrating games in OW2 but shit I actually enjoy the game too
I like that at least in this game you can switch and counter and all that at least part of the time but you also have to rely on your team a bit more than val, idk what it is but this game is more tolerable and easier to get on and off val almost requires hours to stay in the mental you need to perform
@SILVER yeah I think they are similar lengths at least in my experience but Valorant feels much longer having less nuances in the way the game feels
Flats is so dedicated to ow he cosplays as road hog every day
The man, the myth, the legend himself
SpongeBob
dk 64 music is always a blessing to my soul
overwatch is cool too ig
Wow widow, what a balanced character
Flatsy
I'm with your Mercy here: If you're playing support and nothing else, Hog isn't actually that annoying. Tanks with long range or dive options such as Orisa and Winston are much worse to play against since Hog has the decency of staying at the frontline and having limited range, meaning you can be relatively safe in the back.
Show me decent hog. Show me a hog that doesn't barge his way straight to the backline to hook the Mercy or Bap without even bothering to flank because he knows he won't die.
Hogs tend to flank pretty frequently and kill the backline
You must be playing against garbage Hogs then. Any Hog worth their salt will make life for the supports a living hell
Absolutely not. Even trying to Pharmercy vs a decent Hog can be scary. Playing support vs hog is like playing 4d chess while he's just out playing checkers.
Mercy struggling with Winstons more than Hogs sounds like lower rank problems.
I wish this stream crew would play some TF2.
9:45 MAYBE I'LL BE TRACER (EMONGG'S ALREADY TRACER)
Wait, is Nintendo ok with using their donky kong 64 music?
I get flamed for playing better than flats in plat
damn, nice content they made XD
sheeeesh
I would prefer orisa over a hog. Bc then i go ramattra and that dude fun to play.
Bro why is flats vs Apply on dps?
Other than his one shot, I to would rather fight a hog than a orsia honestly.
can you sit at that roof?!
As a young hip League player I take offense to being called a boomer, I didn't ruin the economy yet!
Not you guys actually using the roof in a real game😂
Flats, why do you always have "in Overwatch 2" at the end of your titles? I find it a little odd as I can't imagine it helps the algorithm that much. It's interesting to me.
W N64 OSTs
Meta abusers in high elo look like a nightmare
hhhhaaaa
Bro.. please bring the beard back
hello
I will never understand tho one and done but other's is like 5
Sojourn wouldn’t be op in overwatch 1 bc double shield
It is just me or does flats look like he lost weight?
Pour one out for jarofmayonnaise
“Immediately one shot” and people wander why I turned to the dark side and became a smurf
If you're a Smurf then you have a special place in the afterlife
wonder* and there's a special place in hell for people who smurf
3:40 editor please never do that again. It's bright and hurts and honestly it looks gross and came out of nowhere
Talking trash while playing hog or sojourn is like cheating and bragging about how skillful you are😂😂
So sick of sojourn pocket meta
Between Flats' Orisa stream clips where he can go all video without hitting a spear, and now his bronze Ashe aim, I'm starting to see why he's a Rein main
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Deku is 10000% right, Orisa is wayyyyyy worse than hog in every single way right now. It blows my mind that people complain about hog as much as they do when Orisa exists.
I hate what theyve done to my baby, dawg. You used to have to actually aim with her now you just foam at the mouth and get as close as possible to spam cooldowns. It sucks so much. I miss my shield, i miss my big lmg with lotsa bullets....
Orisa is immortal. Hog is immortal AND omnipotent. I hate going against both of them, but Hog is absolutely worse. Anecdotal, but.. I can't remember a single occasion of feeling like Orisa killed me "unfairly" or anything like that.
@@karamei Nah Orisa is omnipotent, you are severely underestimating all of her abilities. She has 2 cc abilities on cooldown, one of which can stun and the other can also be used as a movement ability. And then her third ability not only grants her armor but makes her immune to any cc in the game as well as denying headshots. Now let's take ALL of that into consideration and you're gonna tell me hog (with only two abilities, one of which can be completely denied with anti or javelin throw or whatever else) is worse than Orisa simply because he can one shot some (not all) heroes? That's just silly talk
Here early today let’s go
I suggest to over buff ashe to cancel sojourn until she gets nerfs like hog orisa
Evils aren't combatted by making more evils...
@@harms123 i mean, it's working
Hog when i check is not a problem why not give the same treatment to sojourn was was a problem since s1
@@thegaminglord2190 Orisa is just a new problem now. Buffing heroes to counter broken heroes is not a good long term strategy because it means that all the other heroes become less viable as a result.
@@harms123 never said to not rebalance after, according to ow devs balancing a hero takes time, so instead of playing the most unfun game ever they came up with a solution of buffing the counter, do far it works until hog is nerfed reworked or whatever orisa keeps him in check then we nerf both, suddenly hog is being less played because orisa stops him, my idea of buffing ashe is not perfect as she is no where near a counter as orisa to hog,as sadly sojourn has no clear counter it will still be a skill match up in the end but ashe will get the upper hand with a mercy boost, we might shit on tracer by mistake but Eh better than mercy sojun 1 shot
@@thegaminglord2190 I don't agree that Ashe should be the one to get buffed to keep Sojourn in check and I believe buffing counters should only be done in pretty dire situations. I think a better solution is nerfing the problematic hero with the quickfix tool and then working towards a more nuanced rework/nerf/buff, but overall, respectable take, thank you for the discussion.
Is averagejones bidens Smurf account😂
Wow I'm pretty early lol
Gotta love when the supports trash talk(the easiest role in the game)